Delphi Murders /// 542 /// 543 /// Off The Record

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  • Diana
    Diana Los Angeles, CA
    I was listening to the older Delphi's 510 -512 or so with Skip. Snapchat didn't' release that mapping feature until July, 2017. SO the idea that the killer may have seen where they were on Snapchat may not be possible. Thank you Nic and Captain, I really enjoy TCG. https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/21/snap-map/ Also, check out the "kid" at 2:04 - 2:20 or so on this newscast from February 13/14, 2017 where he says "Looking for answers, Looking for the GIRLS", "Girls".. Is this the "guy"? Look at his crazy eyes too. Thanks, Diana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kop2LjEGm_8

    I was listening to the older Delphi's 510 -512 or so with Skip. Snapchat didn't' release that mapping feature until July, 2017. SO the idea that the killer may have seen where they were on Snapchat may not be possible. Thank you Nic and Captain, I really enjoy TCG. https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/21/snap-map/

    Also, check out the "kid" at 2:04 - 2:20 or so on this newscast from February 13/14, 2017 where he says "Looking for answers, Looking for the GIRLS", "Girls".. Is this the "guy"? Look at his crazy eyes too. Thanks, Diana
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kop2LjEGm_8

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Diana He would of known where the girls were when they posted the pics of them in the park on snapchat. Thanks for listening and the support. Cheers Captain

    Diana
    He would of known where the girls were when they posted the pics of them in the park on snapchat. Thanks for listening and the support. Cheers

    Captain

  • Chris Collins
    Chris Collins Best Carolina
    Long time listener, first time commentator. I’ve agreed with most (contradictions of your own on two episodes had me thinking), must be good beer. Keep those who cannot yell, loud! They will be found. Victim or dirt bag.

    Long time listener, first time commentator. I’ve agreed with most (contradictions of your own on two episodes had me thinking), must be good beer. Keep those who cannot yell, loud! They will be found. Victim or dirt bag.

  • Kay
    Kay USA
    Does Kline’s father resemble the original BG sketch? Has anyone compared either Keegan or his father’s voice to that of BG? Thanks very much. Love your show.

    Does Kline’s father resemble the original BG sketch? Has anyone compared either Keegan or his father’s voice to that of BG?

    Thanks very much. Love your show.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Kay the interesting thing about Kegan's father is - he looks younger than he is. That was one of the things Doug Carter said may be the case with BG. Many people are saying that Kegan looks like the BG sketches - I don't see it. But daddy looks like an older version of the "young BG" sketch. I have not heard tape of either of their voices. It is not unreasonable to assume that whoever was living in the residence where the search warrant was served would have access to the devices that were using the Anthony_Shots profile on social media applications. It is also not unreasonable to assume that if Anthony_shots profile had direct communication with either of the girls for a meet up - well then this would have been solved in February of 2017. Cheers Nic

    @ Kay the interesting thing about Kegan's father is - he looks younger than he is. That was one of the things Doug Carter said may be the case with BG. Many people are saying that Kegan looks like the BG sketches - I don't see it. But daddy looks like an older version of the "young BG" sketch. I have not heard tape of either of their voices. It is not unreasonable to assume that whoever was living in the residence where the search warrant was served would have access to the devices that were using the Anthony_Shots profile on social media applications. It is also not unreasonable to assume that if Anthony_shots profile had direct communication with either of the girls for a meet up - well then this would have been solved in February of 2017.
    Cheers Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ All - Thank you for posting your comments on the Delphi case. For the first time in a long while I am feeling good about this investigation again. Happy Holidays Nic

    @ All - Thank you for posting your comments on the Delphi case. For the first time in a long while I am feeling good about this investigation again.
    Happy Holidays Nic

  • Justin
    Justin Florence KY
    Heard the app Kik mentioned on Klines phone I recently listened to another podcast called Darknet Diaries episode 93 that details all the CP trading on the app if you want to get knowledge on what he probably using that app for

    Heard the app Kik mentioned on Klines phone I recently listened to another podcast called Darknet Diaries episode 93 that details all the CP trading on the app if you want to get knowledge on what he probably using that app for

  • Richard Grant
    Richard Grant
    I'm currently relistening to these two most recent episodes- Right now my thoughts about him not being arrested until 2020 would be the prosecutors presumably would have wanted the police to continue their investigation 1) because they could have been onto something or would have been running down other information. 2) whatever the statute of limitations might be for the different crimes he admitted to would give them some time before they needed to press charges against him and 3) I don't know what the speedy trial requirements of different states are, but the prosecutors might have needed to move ahead with the charges could have needed to go to trial before they were ready. My point if I'm not making it very well is that it doesn't seem all that odd for the lag between his initial contact with police / FBI / confession and his ultimate arrest.

    I'm currently relistening to these two most recent episodes-
    Right now my thoughts about him not being arrested until 2020 would be the prosecutors presumably would have wanted the police to continue their investigation 1) because they could have been onto something or would have been running down other information. 2) whatever the statute of limitations might be for the different crimes he admitted to would give them some time before they needed to press charges against him and 3) I don't know what the speedy trial requirements of different states are, but the prosecutors might have needed to move ahead with the charges could have needed to go to trial before they were ready.
    My point if I'm not making it very well is that it doesn't seem all that odd for the lag between his initial contact with police / FBI / confession and his ultimate arrest.

  • melissa  kivitis
    melissa kivitis canada
    With the charges mentioned, would they have been different if there was a violent theme? Because as low as this scumbag is, its still a leap from sexualizing children to murder. Also, is the father being looked at?

    With the charges mentioned, would they have been different if there was a violent theme? Because as low as this scumbag is, its still a leap from sexualizing children to murder.

    Also, is the father being looked at?

  • melissa  kivitis
    melissa kivitis
    If Kline had violent themed pornography materials, would the named charges reflect that?

    If Kline had violent themed pornography materials, would the named charges reflect that?

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Hi Melissa, These are interesting questions. I don't fully know the answer to the CP charges but yes there are different levels and different punishments that would come with those levels. I can take a guess... typically it's the act of violence rather than the thought or imagery of violence that ups the ante. So my guess is no. To me anything that is forced is a form a violence and any rape which again like we said on the show any sex act with a child is or should be considered forced which equals rape which equals violence in my opinion. And Yes sick CP creeps are a very big leap to double child murder but we should not assume that because BG killed them that he went to the trails looking to kill it may have been reactionary. Prepared to kill and determined to kill are different. We simply don't know these things because we don't know enough about the crimes committed and the crime scene. Cheers Nic

    Hi Melissa, These are interesting questions. I don't fully know the answer to the CP charges but yes there are different levels and different punishments that would come with those levels. I can take a guess... typically it's the act of violence rather than the thought or imagery of violence that ups the ante. So my guess is no. To me anything that is forced is a form a violence and any rape which again like we said on the show any sex act with a child is or should be considered forced which equals rape which equals violence in my opinion. And Yes sick CP creeps are a very big leap to double child murder but we should not assume that because BG killed them that he went to the trails looking to kill it may have been reactionary. Prepared to kill and determined to kill are different. We simply don't know these things because we don't know enough about the crimes committed and the crime scene.
    Cheers Nic

  • Gail
    Gail California
    This would help explain why Libby took his picture - if they met up earlier and found then out he was "anthony_shots". There was some reason why she took his picture (from some distance) and started recording. I can also easily imagine that reveal not going well and triggering a violent reaction from this POS.

    This would help explain why Libby took his picture - if they met up earlier and found then out he was "anthony_shots". There was some reason why she took his picture (from some distance) and started recording.
    I can also easily imagine that reveal not going well and triggering a violent reaction from this POS.

  • Tony
    Tony Cape Cod
    Wouldn't the police already have all the communications that came through Snapchat and Instagram for the suspect and the two girls?

    Wouldn't the police already have all the communications that came through Snapchat and Instagram for the suspect and the two girls?

  • Nicole
    Nicole Valpo
    Going back over the 2019 press conference I am hearing the words differently in light of Kline and the probable cause affidavit. In 2019 they use phrases like "this person is responsible for the murders" instead of "this person killed the girls and "looking for the driver of the vehicle" and "you want to know what we know and someday you will." 2 sketches of 2 different guys... does 2 people working together make more sense or less to everyone now that we have a dropbox with a shared catfish account? If LE suspect 2 people it's appalling to me if they didn't share that with the public (but it's also appalling to me that they allowed a child predator like Kline to walk free for 3 years after he confessed to CSAM and grooming children). When I think of BG controlling the girls, the likely attempt to escape, to run but still be overtaken so quickly, staging the crime scene and signatures and then all is quiet and BG is long gone before Derrick, FSG, couples or single ladies or anyone else is in the area... I may be in a rabbit hole right now but... BG has always looked and sounded like an older man to me.. his voice and command has a tenor and maturity that most men don't have until their 30s. The Captain's thoughts about the timing of charges and now Kline's current court dates, etc have me wondering for the 1st time if 2 people were out there that day.

    Going back over the 2019 press conference I am hearing the words differently in light of Kline and the probable cause affidavit. In 2019 they use phrases like "this person is responsible for the murders" instead of "this person killed the girls and "looking for the driver of the vehicle" and "you want to know what we know and someday you will." 2 sketches of 2 different guys... does 2 people working together make more sense or less to everyone now that we have a dropbox with a shared catfish account? If LE suspect 2 people it's appalling to me if they didn't share that with the public (but it's also appalling to me that they allowed a child predator like Kline to walk free for 3 years after he confessed to CSAM and grooming children). When I think of BG controlling the girls, the likely attempt to escape, to run but still be overtaken so quickly, staging the crime scene and signatures and then all is quiet and BG is long gone before Derrick, FSG, couples or single ladies or anyone else is in the area... I may be in a rabbit hole right now but... BG has always looked and sounded like an older man to me.. his voice and command has a tenor and maturity that most men don't have until their 30s. The Captain's thoughts about the timing of charges and now Kline's current court dates, etc have me wondering for the 1st time if 2 people were out there that day.

  • Nicole
    Nicole Valpo
    Regarding the lag between 2017 and Kline's arrest in 2020, this is definitely not the norm. With his confession and what was openly available on the devices LE had more than enough probable cause and could and should have charged him on the spot for CSAM; even if they had to do more work and present to a Grand Jury to get an indictment, most agencies will charge 1st and work out the details later. They can always add or change charges later if they find more evidence. State LE is not shy at filing charges and then building a case afterwards. It's possible the matter went jurisdictional hot potato between Federal and State but even that seems hard to believe. Speedy trial is not an issue at all until the defendant enters an initial plea. Their statement (which sounds like Saul Goodman wrote it) has a part about no intentional wrongdoing - why even say that if they don't have to? LE (or maybe just a handful of elected officials close to re-election) clearly understand they have some issues with public trust here and they need to right the ship.

    Regarding the lag between 2017 and Kline's arrest in 2020, this is definitely not the norm. With his confession and what was openly available on the devices LE had more than enough probable cause and could and should have charged him on the spot for CSAM; even if they had to do more work and present to a Grand Jury to get an indictment, most agencies will charge 1st and work out the details later. They can always add or change charges later if they find more evidence. State LE is not shy at filing charges and then building a case afterwards. It's possible the matter went jurisdictional hot potato between Federal and State but even that seems hard to believe. Speedy trial is not an issue at all until the defendant enters an initial plea. Their statement (which sounds like Saul Goodman wrote it) has a part about no intentional wrongdoing - why even say that if they don't have to? LE (or maybe just a handful of elected officials close to re-election) clearly understand they have some issues with public trust here and they need to right the ship.

  • Alyson Mahn
    Alyson Mahn
    Jr/Sr High means a combined middle and high school. Usually starting with grade 7. Very common in Indiana where it might also share a campus with the elementary school.

    Jr/Sr High means a combined middle and high school. Usually starting with grade 7. Very common in Indiana where it might also share a campus with the elementary school.

  • Lynn
    Lynn Superior, WI
    Has anyone seriously questioned Kegan Kline's father as a suspect in the murders? I think he looks surprisingly like the initial drawing and the still of BG. He undoubtedly could have had access to any of the devices Kegan had in the house to find victims.

    Has anyone seriously questioned Kegan Kline's father as a suspect in the murders? I think he looks surprisingly like the initial drawing and the still of BG. He undoubtedly could have had access to any of the devices Kegan had in the house to find victims.

  • KaCee
    KaCee Boston
    It saddens me that we as a nation are not being more vigilante in making AND keeping our children MORE aware of these predators and their behaviors. Please do not think I am in any way blaming any victim or their parents, because I am not. I'm saying that there is a whole SECRET society of this type predator from political leaders, judges, Priests, LE, On down to everyday common criminals, who try so hard to hide that side of themselves to the world The harder they try to hide it, the more vigilant we need to be to make all of our CHILDREN aware of the behaviors and traits these sick MF"s do and will use to try to lure them with. Expose and castrate them all 😢 😉

    It saddens me that we as a nation are not being more vigilante in making AND keeping our children MORE aware of these predators and their behaviors. Please do not think I am in any way blaming any victim or their parents, because I am not. I'm saying that there is a whole SECRET society of this type predator from political leaders, judges, Priests, LE, On down to everyday common criminals, who try so hard to hide that side of themselves to the world
    The harder they try to hide it, the more vigilant we need to be to make all of our CHILDREN aware of the behaviors and traits these sick MF"s do and will use to try to lure them with. Expose and castrate them all 😢
    😉

  • Dee
    Dee Missouri
    Can you find a picture of Kegan or his dad from 2017 to compare to bridge guy sketch.

    Can you find a picture of Kegan or his dad from 2017 to compare to bridge guy sketch.

  • Zach
    Zach Louisville KY
    Hey big fan of the show. But Captain, as a gay fan I was really disappointed to hear you say "C"is for c*ks*ck*r. You're better than that man. This show is better than that. Please don't equate my love life with creeps like that. It's super toxic. I've dedicated my life to first teaching school and now I finished my PhD and work with trauma-informed practices in schools. Gay men are not creeps. Please don't use that word to equate us with sexual predators.

    Hey big fan of the show. But Captain, as a gay fan I was really disappointed to hear you say "C"is for c*ks*ck*r. You're better than that man. This show is better than that. Please don't equate my love life with creeps like that. It's super toxic. I've dedicated my life to first teaching school and now I finished my PhD and work with trauma-informed practices in schools. Gay men are not creeps. Please don't use that word to equate us with sexual predators.

  • Nicki
    Nicki London
    Hi guys, I totally agree with your comments about teaching your children about modern dangers. As a teacher, we address these issues regularly and as a parent I made sure I spoke openly with my daughter about everything and brought her up to feel comfortable to talk to me about anything, without judgement

    Hi guys, I totally agree with your comments about teaching your children about modern dangers. As a teacher, we address these issues regularly and as a parent I made sure I spoke openly with my daughter about everything and brought her up to feel comfortable to talk to me about anything, without judgement

  • Ashley
    Ashley Nomad
    Hey guys! Great episodes, and thanks for keeping up with the updates on this case! What are your perspectives on this release of information, and the additional information provided over the following days being a strategy to “tickle the wire” as they say. The more I think about it, the more I think the behaviour of LE in regards to KK could make this the case. If the AS profile was being facilitated by KK and used or shared by other predators, it is very likely that KK has identifier info, whether it is coded using aliases or whatever. If LE has been able to find a direct link between the profile and Abby and Libby’s murder, but can’t actually find out the specific person associated with using the account at the time and KK isn’t disclosing, perhaps this is an attempt to make the suspect sweat and contact KK or his father. Or perhaps they know who was using it but can’t directly link them to the evidence regarding AS profile. Do you guys think there is any merit in this idea?

    Hey guys!

    Great episodes, and thanks for keeping up with the updates on this case!

    What are your perspectives on this release of information, and the additional information provided over the following days being a strategy to “tickle the wire” as they say. The more I think about it, the more I think the behaviour of LE in regards to KK could make this the case.

    If the AS profile was being facilitated by KK and used or shared by other predators, it is very likely that KK has identifier info, whether it is coded using aliases or whatever. If LE has been able to find a direct link between the profile and Abby and Libby’s murder, but can’t actually find out the specific person associated with using the account at the time and KK isn’t disclosing, perhaps this is an attempt to make the suspect sweat and contact KK or his father. Or perhaps they know who was using it but can’t directly link them to the evidence regarding AS profile.

    Do you guys think there is any merit in this idea?

  • chris
    chris fl
    Great update. The most likely sequence of events seems to be that the Delphi lead investigators, in ISP’s Lafayette post, ordered an urgent, large-radius (perhaps even statewide) pedo/sex offender round-up right after the murders, and asked for FBI assistance. ISP command likely instructed all posts to help the Lafayette post on such an effort-intensive task. As part of whatever process they specified for their round-up, it’d be obvious the best way to narrow down the list is to verify alibis for the exact time the girls’ phones indicated they were abducted. They had the phones, including the timestamped videos the one girl took. Anybody on the list who could demonstrate he was nowhere near there that afternoon, for example, would be quickly cleared. Any pedo lacking such an alibi, though, the process probably said, will be asked to take a polygraph administered by ISP, during which they’d be asked about Delphi. In any case, within a couple weeks of the murders (still in February 2017), FBI has put the anthony_shots profile on ISP’s radar. ISP’s Peru post and FBI link anthony_shots to the Kline household, get a warrant, search the house, bring Kegan Kline to the Peru post, interview him, and Peru ISP Sgt. Collins administers a polygraph. The interview where Kline confesses to various felonies (none having anything to do with Delphi) and the polygraph (almost certainly asking him, like everybody else who can’t prove an alibi, about Delphi) are videotaped. It's unclear how Peru post reports back to Lafayette post what they have / haven't found. And, then, nobody seems to have paid attention to Kline for 3+ years – between 2/27/17 and 4/24/20 no activity on Kline. Presumably, Kline “passed” the polygraph and didn’t trigger Sgt. Collins’s suspicions vis a vis Delphi in February 2017. On April 24, 2020 one ISP Trooper Vido of the Peru post must have been assigned to bat clean-up and get all those felonies Kline admitted to adjudicated. Vido seems to move quickly, probably among his first steps prodding the analysts for a report on the phones seized from Kline 3 years prior. By June 12, 2020 Vido has the digital forensic examination report. Vido deems his case on Kline complete, even though based on my reading Vido has never met or spoken with Kline at that point. Vido swears out the PC affidavit, refers the case, gets prosecutor approval, arrests Kline, and then it’s just pending the infamous “wheels of justice” Nic mentioned. There’s one more important detail. Indiana’s required DNA sampling for each felony arrest has been in effect since January 2018. So, Kline’s DNA is captured, by law, upon his arrest in August 2020. Who knows when it gets analyzed and cataloged. It seems ISP probably has crime scene DNA for the Delphi murders. At a CrimeCon panel, ISP Sgt. Jerry Coleman wouldn't confirm or deny DNA evidence, but he added "...I think the public realizes that with a crime like this, it’s rare to not have DNA. We will reach out to the genealogy websites..." I’ll go out on a limb and guess investigators linked Delphi to Kline by DNA (or possibly a tip) this year and then saw that Peru post had interviewed him in that initial pedo roundup and note that Kline has this online persona anthony_shots. They, with the prosecutor trying to build the case up, figure lets turn up the heat on Kline and maybe even get more info for trial. A prosecutor would love the testimony of somebody who corresponded with the profile anthony_shots and then crossed paths with Kline at some (likely frightening) juncture while Kline was cyber-stalking them and got their location or some such. Having that pattern of behavior on the record would be amazing for the state. Alas, that those same real / potential victims will now be seeing Kline in the news likely impairs such a gambit. I think they were gambling the anthony_shots to Kline connection wouldn’t be publicized so quickly and widely. And, if that was the gambit, I wonder why they didn’t just track down a handful of the people he was chatting with based on the phones that had all that incriminating data and the chat logs and such. I hope they didn’t flub it and fail to realize Peru post had already spoken with Kline as part of the pedo round-up -- that would be pretty embarrassing. Anyway, if Delphi is solved via DNA matching Kline to the Delphi crime scene, Trooper Vido deserves a ton of credit for being the cop who did the tedious, time-consuming police deskwork and who actually put it all together to get the arrest that yielded Kline’s DNA. Vido would be part of a long tradition of workaday heroes, one of whom would have to be NYPD Officer Michael Cataneo, who wrote the parking ticket that netted Berkowitz. My two cents.

    Great update.

    The most likely sequence of events seems to be that the Delphi lead investigators, in ISP’s Lafayette post, ordered an urgent, large-radius (perhaps even statewide) pedo/sex offender round-up right after the murders, and asked for FBI assistance. ISP command likely instructed all posts to help the Lafayette post on such an effort-intensive task.

    As part of whatever process they specified for their round-up, it’d be obvious the best way to narrow down the list is to verify alibis for the exact time the girls’ phones indicated they were abducted. They had the phones, including the timestamped videos the one girl took. Anybody on the list who could demonstrate he was nowhere near there that afternoon, for example, would be quickly cleared. Any pedo lacking such an alibi, though, the process probably said, will be asked to take a polygraph administered by ISP, during which they’d be asked about Delphi.

    In any case, within a couple weeks of the murders (still in February 2017), FBI has put the anthony_shots profile on ISP’s radar. ISP’s Peru post and FBI link anthony_shots to the Kline household, get a warrant, search the house, bring Kegan Kline to the Peru post, interview him, and Peru ISP Sgt. Collins administers a polygraph. The interview where Kline confesses to various felonies (none having anything to do with Delphi) and the polygraph (almost certainly asking him, like everybody else who can’t prove an alibi, about Delphi) are videotaped. It's unclear how Peru post reports back to Lafayette post what they have / haven't found.

    And, then, nobody seems to have paid attention to Kline for 3+ years – between 2/27/17 and 4/24/20 no activity on Kline. Presumably, Kline “passed” the polygraph and didn’t trigger Sgt. Collins’s suspicions vis a vis Delphi in February 2017.

    On April 24, 2020 one ISP Trooper Vido of the Peru post must have been assigned to bat clean-up and get all those felonies Kline admitted to adjudicated. Vido seems to move quickly, probably among his first steps prodding the analysts for a report on the phones seized from Kline 3 years prior. By June 12, 2020 Vido has the digital forensic examination report. Vido deems his case on Kline complete, even though based on my reading Vido has never met or spoken with Kline at that point. Vido swears out the PC affidavit, refers the case, gets prosecutor approval, arrests Kline, and then it’s just pending the infamous “wheels of justice” Nic mentioned. There’s one more important detail. Indiana’s required DNA sampling for each felony arrest has been in effect since January 2018. So, Kline’s DNA is captured, by law, upon his arrest in August 2020. Who knows when it gets analyzed and cataloged.

    It seems ISP probably has crime scene DNA for the Delphi murders. At a CrimeCon panel, ISP Sgt. Jerry Coleman wouldn't confirm or deny DNA evidence, but he added "...I think the public realizes that with a crime like this, it’s rare to not have DNA. We will reach out to the genealogy websites..."

    I’ll go out on a limb and guess investigators linked Delphi to Kline by DNA (or possibly a tip) this year and then saw that Peru post had interviewed him in that initial pedo roundup and note that Kline has this online persona anthony_shots. They, with the prosecutor trying to build the case up, figure lets turn up the heat on Kline and maybe even get more info for trial. A prosecutor would love the testimony of somebody who corresponded with the profile anthony_shots and then crossed paths with Kline at some (likely frightening) juncture while Kline was cyber-stalking them and got their location or some such. Having that pattern of behavior on the record would be amazing for the state. Alas, that those same real / potential victims will now be seeing Kline in the news likely impairs such a gambit. I think they were gambling the anthony_shots to Kline connection wouldn’t be publicized so quickly and widely.

    And, if that was the gambit, I wonder why they didn’t just track down a handful of the people he was chatting with based on the phones that had all that incriminating data and the chat logs and such. I hope they didn’t flub it and fail to realize Peru post had already spoken with Kline as part of the pedo round-up -- that would be pretty embarrassing.

    Anyway, if Delphi is solved via DNA matching Kline to the Delphi crime scene, Trooper Vido deserves a ton of credit for being the cop who did the tedious, time-consuming police deskwork and who actually put it all together to get the arrest that yielded Kline’s DNA. Vido would be part of a long tradition of workaday heroes, one of whom would have to be NYPD Officer Michael Cataneo, who wrote the parking ticket that netted Berkowitz.

    My two cents.

  • Knitmare
    Knitmare Indiana
    I’m wondering about the car pictures. It would be nice to know where they originated from? The Captain in the first episode said some of the pictures may be real? If that’s the case there is a whole untapped group of people likely not knowing about the girls that need to have the information. Attending car shows/collectors/auctions is a whole subgroup and someone may recognize.

    I’m wondering about the car pictures. It would be nice to know where they originated from? The Captain in the first episode said some of the pictures may be real? If that’s the case there is a whole untapped group of people likely not knowing about the girls that need to have the information. Attending car shows/collectors/auctions is a whole subgroup and someone may recognize.

  • mG
    mG tX
    How many things have been released and analyzed regarding this case? And it all continues to be a tease. Keep the case alive, absolutely. But history shows us that a lot of wheel spinning has been going on regarding the case.

    How many things have been released and analyzed regarding this case? And it all continues to be a tease. Keep the case alive, absolutely. But history shows us that a lot of wheel spinning has been going on regarding the case.

  • Mike
    Mike Missouri
    The teen model who’s photos weee used is now a police officer in Alaska. https://www.whas11.com/video/news/local/indiana/delphi-murders-police-officer-angry-at-social-media-accounts-using-his-profile-to-solicit-girls/417-dbfa9eb5-842c-4708-aede-0932f187434f
  • Jessie
    Jessie Usa
    Thanks for explaining why you say CP instead of CSAM. Revolting either way.

    Thanks for explaining why you say CP instead of CSAM. Revolting either way.

  • Alisa
    Alisa Houston
    Hi Nic and Captain! Best TC podcast ever. Did you see the pic of Keegan with his father. Wow! definitely similar build to BG and the face is very similar to the younger composite. Would love to know what year that pic was taken. Do you know? Thanks and Merry Christmas! Alisa

    Hi Nic and Captain! Best TC podcast ever. Did you see the pic of Keegan with his father. Wow! definitely similar build to BG and the face is very similar to the younger composite. Would love to know what year that pic was taken. Do you know? Thanks and Merry Christmas! Alisa

  • Cookie
    Cookie Topeka
    I have supported the shark serial killer theory. The first thing that I remember noting in 2/17 from TCG was that this specific county has or had the highest ratio of sex offenders in the state if not country. This makes for a dark pool in small town USA where child molesters roam. A serial killer thinks themselves a big shark in the midst of schools of small sex offending predators. It’s hard for me to rule out the Evansdale connection too. They have so much more intel that I can’t pretend I know what’s up. I’m still boggled by the inverted dates of two seemingly unrelated dual children murders.

    I have supported the shark serial killer theory. The first thing that I remember noting in 2/17 from TCG was that this specific county has or had the highest ratio of sex offenders in the state if not country. This makes for a dark pool in small town USA where child molesters roam. A serial killer thinks themselves a big shark in the midst of schools of small sex offending predators. It’s hard for me to rule out the Evansdale connection too. They have so much more intel that I can’t pretend I know what’s up. I’m still boggled by the inverted dates of two seemingly unrelated dual children murders.

  • Emily
    Emily South Central KY
    The Delphi Murders and the way you all have covered them has really shed light for me on vulnerability of children by predators in parks and everyday outdoor spaces. I personally love to visit local mammoth cave national park and understand that I shouldn’t be alone there. A local case that is a cruel reminder of the evils living among us, is the Gabby Doolin case. The only reason I want you to cover this case is to raise awareness to parents to not ever fully trust other parents. SThe eAnd although it’s not always in a parents control, it’s ok to keep your child in your sight in public to keep them safe. It’s always ok to be over protective and skeptical of others. This world is worse than I could have ever dreamed, and the murder of Gabby Doolin was an evil this community could have never imagined.

    The Delphi Murders and the way you all have covered them has really shed light for me on vulnerability of children by predators in parks and everyday outdoor spaces. I personally love to visit local mammoth cave national park and understand that I shouldn’t be alone there. A local case that is a cruel reminder of the evils living among us, is the Gabby Doolin case. The only reason I want you to cover this case is to raise awareness to parents to not ever fully trust other parents. SThe eAnd although it’s not always in a parents control, it’s ok to keep your child in your sight in public to keep them safe. It’s always ok to be over protective and skeptical of others. This world is worse than I could have ever dreamed, and the murder of Gabby Doolin was an evil this community could have never imagined.

  • Amy Facchini
    Amy Facchini Texas
    They most likely aren’t giving any information is because they found a pedophile ring or sex ring. Maybe they connected to these murders. The only thing that gets me though is the conversation she recorded or at least what they let us hear didn’t seem like they knew the people It didn’t seem at all like it was a meet up that went wrong

    They most likely aren’t giving any information is because they found a pedophile ring or sex ring. Maybe they connected to these murders. The only thing that gets me though is the conversation she recorded or at least what they let us hear didn’t seem like they knew the people It didn’t seem at all like it was a meet up that went wrong

  • Long Time Listener
    Long Time Listener Washington State
    Okay so after this press release came out on 12/13 as a follow up to the 12/7 press conference, I truly believe they were simply trying to identify anthony_shots on 12/7 and didn't realize they had the identity right under their own nose. At least some people within ISP already knew who KK was and that he was associated with anthony_shots . I think the Delphi investigators may not have been privy to this info while others in the ISP/FBI were. So when they asked the public to help identify anthony_shots on 12/7 and then it results in 24 hours later in learning (from investigative reporters) that some in the dept already knew who he was....it makes sense. Let's say on 12/7 the investigators of the DM and some come to conclusion they don't know who Anthony Shots was.....if none of them were actually involved in the investigation of KK in 2017 and then 2020, then it's very plausible they didn't realize they had the identity of this guy. I mean read this again in that context. Sadly this kind of thing isn't uncommon. The Indiana State Police has received many media inquiries since our December 6th press release concerning “anthony_shots” and eventually the identification of Kegan Kline. Your questions are certainly relevant as they relate to a long, complex, and extremely complicated murder investigation. During the last nearly five years, we have conducted dozens of secondary investigations based on information we received. One of those investigations included a Possession of Child Pornography case resulting in the arrest of Kegan Kline. The information we had, have, and continue to receive concerning Kline has ebbed and flowed over these last few years. We understand there was a period of time that passed between 2017 and 2020 when Kline was not arrested and incarcerated for Possession of Child Pornography. Once the Indiana State Police presented the criminal case to the Miami County Prosecutor in June of 2020, immediate action was taken by both the Indiana State Police and the Miami County Prosecutor’s Office, which ultimately resulted in Kline’s arrest. Like so many other pieces of this investigation, we will always review, learn from, and make any necessary adjustments. We do not believe that any person has done anything intentionally wrong, but we will continue to critically evaluate our efforts. We know there is enormous interest in the “WHY” of everything we do, but we cannot and will not speculate. One day you will have the opportunity to see and know what we do, and we look forward to that day. Indiana State Police Kline is due back in court on Dec. 16 regarding the child porn charges.

    Okay so after this press release came out on 12/13 as a follow up to the 12/7 press conference, I truly believe they were simply trying to identify anthony_shots on 12/7 and didn't realize they had the identity right under their own nose. At least some people within ISP already knew who KK was and that he was associated with anthony_shots . I think the Delphi investigators may not have been privy to this info while others in the ISP/FBI were. So when they asked the public to help identify anthony_shots on 12/7 and then it results in 24 hours later in learning (from investigative reporters) that some in the dept already knew who he was....it makes sense. Let's say on 12/7 the investigators of the DM and some come to conclusion they don't know who Anthony Shots was.....if none of them were actually involved in the investigation of KK in 2017 and then 2020, then it's very plausible they didn't realize they had the identity of this guy. I mean read this again in that context. Sadly this kind of thing isn't uncommon.

    The Indiana State Police has received many media inquiries since our December 6th press release concerning “anthony_shots” and eventually the identification of Kegan Kline. Your questions are certainly relevant as they relate to a long, complex, and extremely complicated murder investigation.

    During the last nearly five years, we have conducted dozens of secondary investigations based on information we received. One of those investigations included a Possession of Child Pornography case resulting in the arrest of Kegan Kline. The information we had, have, and continue to receive concerning Kline has ebbed and flowed over these last few years. We understand there was a period of time that passed between 2017 and 2020 when Kline was not arrested and incarcerated for Possession of Child Pornography. Once the Indiana State Police presented the criminal case to the Miami County Prosecutor in June of 2020, immediate action was taken by both the Indiana State Police and the Miami County Prosecutor’s Office, which ultimately resulted in Kline’s arrest.

    Like so many other pieces of this investigation, we will always review, learn from, and make any necessary adjustments. We do not believe that any person has done anything intentionally wrong, but we will continue to critically evaluate our efforts.

    We know there is enormous interest in the “WHY” of everything we do, but we cannot and will not speculate. One day you will have the opportunity to see and know what we do, and we look forward to that day.

    Indiana State Police Kline is due back in court on Dec. 16 regarding the child porn charges.

  • B
    B CO
    Is there a way to determine the height of the scum bag perpetrator based on the video of him walking on the bridge?

    Is there a way to determine the height of the scum bag perpetrator based on the video of him walking on the bridge?

  • Casey
    Casey Indianapolis Indiana
    Have you seen the recent murder sheet transcripts

    Have you seen the recent murder sheet transcripts

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Hi Casey - yes we have reviewed them. Thanks Nic

    Hi Casey - yes we have reviewed them.
    Thanks Nic

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