Delphi Murders Discussion ////// 395

72 comments

  • Nic
    Nic Parts Unknown
    Special thanks to Melissa from the Victimology Podcast! You may remember Melissa - she was kind enough to help us with the Shaker project. Anyone looking for our other Delphi episodes - listen on the FREE stitcher app. May 2017 - Episodes #110 & #111 July 2019 - Episodes #320, #321, #322 & #323 Cheers Nic

    Special thanks to Melissa from the Victimology Podcast! You may remember Melissa - she was kind enough to help us with the Shaker project.
    Anyone looking for our other Delphi episodes - listen on the FREE stitcher app.
    May 2017 - Episodes #110 & #111
    July 2019 - Episodes #320, #321, #322 & #323
    Cheers Nic

  • Tracey
    Tracey UK
    This was so frustrating for me to listen to. Nic you talk too damn much and hardly gave this lady a chance to speak. I feel she had so much more to offer if you had just given her the opportunity.

    This was so frustrating for me to listen to. Nic you talk too damn much and hardly gave this lady a chance to speak. I feel she had so much more to offer if you had just given her the opportunity.

  • Cliff Swiger
    Cliff Swiger Georgia
    What follows is a copy and paste of a post I made at another website: Can anyone provide a link where law enforcement specifically states it has the killer's DNA? All I have heard is that law enforcement has DNA evidence, but LE has never said it's specifically that of the killer, or unknown. I did hear LE found DNA evidence on the bodies which belonged to a first responder who admitted he touched them. I'm also going to reiterate that it is very likely there was at least one accomplice with Bridge Guy. Someone at the south end of the trestle to keep the girls from running away as Bridge Guy approached them. "Guys, down the hill." Also, the owner of the suspect white vehicle should have come forward to clear himself as should have the individual exiting the trail witnessed by another trail user just after 3:00 PM. The individual exiting the trail was heading west toward Freedom Bridge. The unidentified white car was parked to the northeast from where the bodies were found. I'll also repeat IF law enforcement has Bridge Guy's DNA then he would almost 100% have 2nd, 3rd, 4th cousin matches at the various public testing labs. Take it from someone who knows.

    What follows is a copy and paste of a post I made at another website: Can anyone provide a link where law enforcement specifically states it has the killer's DNA? All I have heard is that law enforcement has DNA evidence, but LE has never said it's specifically that of the killer, or unknown. I did hear LE found DNA evidence on the bodies which belonged to a first responder who admitted he touched them. I'm also going to reiterate that it is very likely there was at least one accomplice with Bridge Guy. Someone at the south end of the trestle to keep the girls from running away as Bridge Guy approached them. "Guys, down the hill." Also, the owner of the suspect white vehicle should have come forward to clear himself as should have the individual exiting the trail witnessed by another trail user just after 3:00 PM. The individual exiting the trail was heading west toward Freedom Bridge. The unidentified white car was parked to the northeast from where the bodies were found. I'll also repeat IF law enforcement has Bridge Guy's DNA then he would almost 100% have 2nd, 3rd, 4th cousin matches at the various public testing labs. Take it from someone who knows.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Tracey - my apologies as I do talk too much but as you heard I had a lot to say. It was an interesting discussion and Melissa and I have had several of these off mic and it was fun to finally do one with the mics on. These are not scripted obviously. Thanks for the feedback. Cheers Nic

    @ Tracey - my apologies as I do talk too much but as you heard I had a lot to say. It was an interesting discussion and Melissa and I have had several of these off mic and it was fun to finally do one with the mics on.
    These are not scripted obviously. Thanks for the feedback.
    Cheers Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Cliff - I miss spoke and was unclear with my delivery at the end of the show yesterday. The Sheriff did an interview that was printed in the Carroll County Comet on 4/29/2020. The article states that the Sheriff says there is DNA from the crime scene and fingerprint evidence. I apologize as it is now clear to me that at no time in that article does he says suspect DNA/ fingerprints. I was referring to this article without a copy in hand but in reviewing everything I was working on last week - he does not say either belong to the suspect specifically. - Best Nic

    @ Cliff - I miss spoke and was unclear with my delivery at the end of the show yesterday. The Sheriff did an interview that was printed in the Carroll County Comet on 4/29/2020. The article states that the Sheriff says there is DNA from the crime scene and fingerprint evidence. I apologize as it is now clear to me that at no time in that article does he says suspect DNA/ fingerprints. I was referring to this article without a copy in hand but in reviewing everything I was working on last week - he does not say either belong to the suspect specifically.
    - Best Nic

  • DM
    DM UK
    What really is the point of episodes like this? You weren’t actually sharing any new information - just an opportunity to go over the same ground. And I agree with Tracey - you did 95% of the talking, Nic. I love your podcast normally but you are in danger of taking your listeners for granted. We don’t tune in for the joy of hearing Nic speak. We want to hear something we haven’t before - even if it’s a fresh look at a case we’re already familiar with. This would have worked better as an Off The Record ep.

    What really is the point of episodes like this? You weren’t actually sharing any new information - just an opportunity to go over the same ground. And I agree with Tracey - you did 95% of the talking, Nic. I love your podcast normally but you are in danger of taking your listeners for granted. We don’t tune in for the joy of hearing Nic speak. We want to hear something we haven’t before - even if it’s a fresh look at a case we’re already familiar with. This would have worked better as an Off The Record ep.

  • Christina
    Christina Waxhaw
    Nic - I've really started to pay attention to the intro music and I believe you mix it, right? Either way, I dig it and you're doing an excellent job!

    Nic - I've really started to pay attention to the intro music and I believe you mix it, right? Either way, I dig it and you're doing an excellent job!

  • Christina
    Christina Waxhaw, NC
    Btw, I feel like I said Nic... I meant The Captain! ;)

    Btw, I feel like I said Nic... I meant The Captain! wink

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    You are correct Christina - the Captain, writes, records, and mixes the music you hear on the show. Cheers Nic

    You are correct Christina - the Captain, writes, records, and mixes the music you hear on the show.
    Cheers Nic

  • Katie
    Katie Maryland
    Wow, harsh crowd. I think the episode was great, Nic! You and Melissa had a nice back-and-forth and you both had interesting points. Nic, you are one of my top TC podcasters--you always do a thorough job and you speak and articulate well. Thank you!

    Wow, harsh crowd. I think the episode was great, Nic! You and Melissa had a nice back-and-forth and you both had interesting points. Nic, you are one of my top TC podcasters--you always do a thorough job and you speak and articulate well. Thank you!

  • Karen
    Karen California
    Do you have a link to the Delphi cellphone video with the girls in the video? All I can find online is the 12 second clip of the man saying guys down the hill. Thank you!

    Do you have a link to the Delphi cellphone video with the girls in the video? All I can find online is the 12 second clip of the man saying guys down the hill. Thank you!

  • Daisy
    Daisy NYC
    I’m always eager to hear your thoughts on this case, so for me, it was very interesting to hear you speculate. I agree with your stance on the weapons used as well. After you sat on the idea of “a helper” did you have any follow up thoughts? In the recently published Comet article, I noticed that Tobe Leazenby hasn’t thrown out the chance that it was a multiple perpetrator crime, which really surprised me. It seems you might be on to something.

    I’m always eager to hear your thoughts on this case, so for me, it was very interesting to hear you speculate. I agree with your stance on the weapons used as well. After you sat on the idea of “a helper” did you have any follow up thoughts? In the recently published Comet article, I noticed that Tobe Leazenby hasn’t thrown out the chance that it was a multiple perpetrator crime, which really surprised me. It seems you might be on to something.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Karen - the video you have seen is the only one that has been released to the public. We were speculating about the video/audio that could be based off of information we have both heard second and third hand. Cheers Nic

    @ Karen - the video you have seen is the only one that has been released to the public. We were speculating about the video/audio that could be based off of information we have both heard second and third hand.
    Cheers Nic

  • Becky
    Becky Columbus
    I really appreciated this episode, and have actually been meaning to comment on how much I enjoy interviews from both Nic and the Captain. In my opinion, the TCG guys are very thoughtful in their conversations with others, and do well at sharing the dialogue. Nic's discussion here, along the Captain's recent interviews of Julie Murray and Erinn Larkin, reminded me why they are praised for the respect that they show to others. Even the more casual discussions on "Off the Record" remain consistently respectful and even-handed, traits that have become somewhat rare in the true crime podcasting world.

    I really appreciated this episode, and have actually been meaning to comment on how much I enjoy interviews from both Nic and the Captain. In my opinion, the TCG guys are very thoughtful in their conversations with others, and do well at sharing the dialogue. Nic's discussion here, along the Captain's recent interviews of Julie Murray and Erinn Larkin, reminded me why they are praised for the respect that they show to others. Even the more casual discussions on "Off the Record" remain consistently respectful and even-handed, traits that have become somewhat rare in the true crime podcasting world.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Daisy - the "Bridge Guy Helper" theory is a complicated one. The helper could be some form of technology that gives the appearance of an alibi that is nonexistent. Or and I think this is more likely its someone very close to Bridge guy. This person has either provided a false alibi or some form of assistance. The person could know for a certainty about everything or unknowingly has assisted in aiding and abetting Bridge Guy. I think more likely he is a willing participant, not present at the crime scene or for the murders. I think that motive may be very different from what any of us think. This will be solved and I believe by the end of this year. There will be some "surprises" that come out once we have an arrest(s). Cheers Nic

    @ Daisy - the "Bridge Guy Helper" theory is a complicated one. The helper could be some form of technology that gives the appearance of an alibi that is nonexistent. Or and I think this is more likely its someone very close to Bridge guy. This person has either provided a false alibi or some form of assistance. The person could know for a certainty about everything or unknowingly has assisted in aiding and abetting Bridge Guy. I think more likely he is a willing participant, not present at the crime scene or for the murders. I think that motive may be very different from what any of us think. This will be solved and I believe by the end of this year. There will be some "surprises" that come out once we have an arrest(s).
    Cheers Nic

  • Ollie
    Ollie USA
    I will say that if these videos were all filmed on Snapchat, you have to hold the button to record. All of the video would have had to have been filmed while holding the camera... so, again, IF they were in fact all Snapchat videos, the phone dying would have nothing to do with the video ending nor could she have pressed record and then ditched the phone. In 2017, you could not record a snap-video and drop your phone and have it keep recording like that...

    I will say that if these videos were all filmed on Snapchat, you have to hold the button to record. All of the video would have had to have been filmed while holding the camera... so, again, IF they were in fact all Snapchat videos, the phone dying would have nothing to do with the video ending nor could she have pressed record and then ditched the phone. In 2017, you could not record a snap-video and drop your phone and have it keep recording like that...

  • Loretta
    Loretta Portsmouth
    Okay, this is something that’s been on my mind since the first time I heard the case. Do you think if Bridge Guy saw Libby taking his photo/video he would have been deterred from approaching or harming them? Nic, you touched on it a little when you said “tell the person you called 911, even if you didn’t”, but I wonder statistically and based on behavioral science if BG witnessing Libby capturing his image would have made a difference in the outcome. Thanks for another amazing episode, keep them coming!

    Okay, this is something that’s been on my mind since the first time I heard the case. Do you think if Bridge Guy saw Libby taking his photo/video he would have been deterred from approaching or harming them? Nic, you touched on it a little when you said “tell the person you called 911, even if you didn’t”, but I wonder statistically and based on behavioral science if BG witnessing Libby capturing his image would have made a difference in the outcome. Thanks for another amazing episode, keep them coming!

  • Cliff
    Cliff Georgia
    This is the best dialog I've listened to on this case.

    This is the best dialog I've listened to on this case.

  • Daisy
    Daisy NYC
    Thanks for the reply, Nic. I sure hope you are right. I too believe this mess is going to be complicated, and definitely think someone is at the very least giving BG a false alibi. I first learned about this case because of your podcast, and have been incredibly invested ever since. Thanks for all you do.

    Thanks for the reply, Nic. I sure hope you are right. I too believe this mess is going to be complicated, and definitely think someone is at the very least giving BG a false alibi. I first learned about this case because of your podcast, and have been incredibly invested ever since. Thanks for all you do.

  • Norah
    Norah Ohio
    I feel confident that at first he may have used a gun or something to get them to to go with him but at one point they decided to run. That may be when Libby lost her shoe. He wouldn't have to control both but one.. I'm guessing Abby. Libby wouldn't leave Abby..

    I feel confident that at first he may have used a gun or something to get them to to go with him but at one point they decided to run. That may be when Libby lost her shoe. He wouldn't have to control both but one.. I'm guessing Abby. Libby wouldn't leave Abby..

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    The video was not recorded with Snap chat - it was the standard video recording feature on Libby’s phone. Thanks Nic

    The video was not recorded with Snap chat - it was the standard video recording feature on Libby’s phone.
    Thanks Nic

  • Sarah
    Sarah Illinois
    Coming from a person who has a few children that are currently the girls’ ages, what if bridge guy had already committed a crime(s) and he saw the girls recording him or laughing at him and it enraged him so he went for the girls? He may have been taking a back route to avoid drawing attention to himself and was thinking he may get caught. Also, the audio, sounds like he may be holding a weapon, possibly a knife he had on his person and pointing it toward the direction he wanted them to go and nodding to go that way while he says “guys, down the hill.” I believe this is a random violent act and he washed himself off in the water.

    Coming from a person who has a few children that are currently the girls’ ages, what if bridge guy had already committed a crime(s) and he saw the girls recording him or laughing at him and it enraged him so he went for the girls? He may have been taking a back route to avoid drawing attention to himself and was thinking he may get caught.

    Also, the audio, sounds like he may be holding a weapon, possibly a knife he had on his person and pointing it toward the direction he wanted them to go and nodding to go that way while he says “guys, down the hill.”

    I believe this is a random violent act and he washed himself off in the water.

  • Aislinn
    Aislinn Bowling Green, Ohio
    Hey Nic- loved the new information. The only thing I want to throw out for consideration is this- as a firefighter and paramedic- the death of a child, even if it’s natural, is the worst. I don’t read too much info them needing a debriefing afterwards. In some departments they’ll call the CISD team and strongly encourage you to attend. In others the personnel involved will call. There’s been a forward push since 2014-15 to treat PTSD more seriously. The IAFF (internationals association of Firefighters) and the National Fallen Firefighters Foundation both have programs, and even in house treatment centers, focused on mental health. So. In short. It need not be particularly gruesome or graphic. Two murdered children is plenty bad enough.

    Hey Nic- loved the new information.

    The only thing I want to throw out for consideration is this- as a firefighter and paramedic- the death of a child, even if it’s natural, is the worst.

    I don’t read too much info them needing a debriefing afterwards. In some departments they’ll call the CISD team and strongly encourage you to attend. In others the personnel involved will call.

    There’s been a forward push since 2014-15 to treat PTSD more seriously. The IAFF (internationals association of Firefighters) and the National Fallen Firefighters Foundation both have programs, and even in house treatment centers, focused on mental health.

    So. In short. It need not be particularly gruesome or graphic. Two murdered children is plenty bad enough.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Thank you Aislinn, I share the very same opinion. We have to keep in mind a lot of the searchers, law enforcement, firefighters, and so on were still very likely expecting to find the girls alive. Anything other than that was going to be a shock and a bad one. Best and thanks for your hard work and service to the community. Nic

    Thank you Aislinn,
    I share the very same opinion. We have to keep in mind a lot of the searchers, law enforcement, firefighters, and so on were still very likely expecting to find the girls alive. Anything other than that was going to be a shock and a bad one.
    Best and thanks for your hard work and service to the community.
    Nic

  • Ro
    Ro
    @Nic I really appreciated hearing a multifaceted view of this case! I want justice so bad for these 2. Libby tried to get this POS caught by recording him and I hope it has a big reason he gets caught. I had a thought though...about the “gait”...I’m not sure it’s a gait at all and perhaps he had a bigger weapon down his pant leg?

    @Nic I really appreciated hearing a multifaceted view of this case! I want justice so bad for these 2. Libby tried to get this POS caught by recording him and I hope it has a big reason he gets caught. I had a thought though...about the “gait”...I’m not sure it’s a gait at all and perhaps he had a bigger weapon down his pant leg?

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Ro - yes we have to believe he was concealing a weapon somehow plus I don't buy the gait thing just because of the bridge. This is not at all like walking on a sidewalk. Cheers Nic

    Ro - yes we have to believe he was concealing a weapon somehow plus I don't buy the gait thing just because of the bridge. This is not at all like walking on a sidewalk.
    Cheers Nic

  • Cindy
    Cindy AL
    Nic, loved this!! So much great info!! Hope there will be justice soon for those two little girls.

    Nic, loved this!! So much great info!! Hope there will be justice soon for those two little girls.

  • Chris
    Chris Massachusetts
    Hi Nic & Captain, I just heard about your podcast last month and I love it! Both of you do an amazing job with the research, explanations and production quality. You guys are awesome and I appreciate the effort put in to the show. The Delphi murder case is the one I've followed closely since it has happened, and I really hope they find this person, for the sake of those poor girls and the families. Sorry you are getting rude comments Nic, I thought you did a good job and liked hearing both your thoughts about the updates to this case. Slighty off topic, but do you and the captain think you might cover Lori Vallow and the missing children? That was on the news over here alot. Sorry if you did and I missed it! Thanks again, Chris

    Hi Nic & Captain,

    I just heard about your podcast last month and I love it! Both of you do an amazing job with the research, explanations and production quality. You guys are awesome and I appreciate the effort put in to the show.

    The Delphi murder case is the one I've followed closely since it has happened, and I really hope they find this person, for the sake of those poor girls and the families. Sorry you are getting rude comments Nic, I thought you did a good job and liked hearing both your thoughts about the updates to this case.

    Slighty off topic, but do you and the captain think you might cover Lori Vallow and the missing children? That was on the news over here alot. Sorry if you did and I missed it!

    Thanks again,
    Chris

  • Rory
    Rory Alice Springs
    Great talk. Where would we be without the video and recordings? I think there must have been two people involved in the crime. Bridge guy has slipped through the cracks because he has been the only suspect.

    Great talk.
    Where would we be without the video and recordings?
    I think there must have been two people involved in the crime. Bridge guy has slipped through the cracks because he has been the only suspect.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Here is one thing that I can't shake. If we didn't have the video - how great of a chance would we have of Ron Logan being suspect number 1? Is there something there? If the girls did not attempt to run (which they likely did) we know bridge guy was directing them. Did he purposely put them on Logan's property? If he did is there a reason for it? There is a very interesting follow the money theory out there. I purposely stayed away from it on the show. Cheers Nic

    Here is one thing that I can't shake. If we didn't have the video - how great of a chance would we have of Ron Logan being suspect number 1?
    Is there something there? If the girls did not attempt to run (which they likely did) we know bridge guy was directing them. Did he purposely put them on Logan's property? If he did is there a reason for it?
    There is a very interesting follow the money theory out there. I purposely stayed away from it on the show.
    Cheers Nic

  • Reb
    Reb DC
    Thank you for this episode. This case is So Damn Maddening, because we have everything we could possibly want to solve this yet can't identify that worthless human being that is responsible. I hadn't really thought of the second suspect on the other side of the bridge theory, and its fascinating. However, it assumes that both they knew school was out for the day and that this was a hunting ground AND that there wouldn't be others on the bridge. I hadn't really thought of the "why didn't she call 911" thing. Kind of a WHOOO moment. Also, one reason he might of not had a ping off a cell tower is that he was too transient to afford a cell phone. There is someone out there who can help with this - a mother, a sister, a brother, a nephew, a daughter who recognizes this scumbag. There is no honor in protecting him at the expense of these poor families and the rest of society. I really hope that person grabs a reminisce amount of decency and resolves this.

    Thank you for this episode. This case is So Damn Maddening, because we have everything we could possibly want to solve this yet can't identify that worthless human being that is responsible. I hadn't really thought of the second suspect on the other side of the bridge theory, and its fascinating. However, it assumes that both they knew school was out for the day and that this was a hunting ground AND that there wouldn't be others on the bridge.
    I hadn't really thought of the "why didn't she call 911" thing. Kind of a WHOOO moment. Also, one reason he might of not had a ping off a cell tower is that he was too transient to afford a cell phone.
    There is someone out there who can help with this - a mother, a sister, a brother, a nephew, a daughter who recognizes this scumbag. There is no honor in protecting him at the expense of these poor families and the rest of society. I really hope that person grabs a reminisce amount of decency and resolves this.

  • Abby
    Abby Indiana
    The investigator never said "the reaction of the one girl's face as she's watching what's happening to her friend haunts him". He says, 'seeing the feelings that were going through the girls at the time... Just knowing what they knew is just frightening for a 13-14 year old girl to know.' If I had to make an assumption, it would only be the audio that gave him that sense of their fear. I cannot believe that she had her cell phone out where you could actually see video. I imagine she would have quickly shoved it in her pocket, where all they are seeing is a black screen, and muffled audio. Which is why the very small portion that has been released is not of great quality. I agree with you Nic, I don't believe there are any better images of the bridge guy. I think she took the video of him at a distance, moved the camera off of him, and then suddenly shoved it in a pocket when realized there was trouble. If there is better audio, it's either too disturbing in nature or identifies details the police wish to remain private. But then again, it took 2 years for them to simply put out "guys" so I'm not sure.

    The investigator never said "the reaction of the one girl's face as she's watching what's happening to her friend haunts him". He says, 'seeing the feelings that were going through the girls at the time... Just knowing what they knew is just frightening for a 13-14 year old girl to know.' If I had to make an assumption, it would only be the audio that gave him that sense of their fear. I cannot believe that she had her cell phone out where you could actually see video. I imagine she would have quickly shoved it in her pocket, where all they are seeing is a black screen, and muffled audio. Which is why the very small portion that has been released is not of great quality. I agree with you Nic, I don't believe there are any better images of the bridge guy. I think she took the video of him at a distance, moved the camera off of him, and then suddenly shoved it in a pocket when realized there was trouble. If there is better audio, it's either too disturbing in nature or identifies details the police wish to remain private. But then again, it took 2 years for them to simply put out "guys" so I'm not sure.

  • Chris
    Chris Massachusetts
    Did I say something wrong? Was just wondering why my post got ignored, was just trying to be friendly and ask a question since this is the only podcast I listen to.

    Did I say something wrong? Was just wondering why my post got ignored, was just trying to be friendly and ask a question since this is the only podcast I listen to.

  • Rob
    Rob Elizabeth, CO
    Nic and Melissa, thanks for yet another great show. What does the involvement of the FBI so early on and to this day mean to you? There seem to be so many LE entities involved and it's a great thing, but was there something about the crime scene itself to propel such an early FBI involvement? Thanks again -

    Nic and Melissa, thanks for yet another great show. What does the involvement of the FBI so early on and to this day mean to you? There seem to be so many LE entities involved and it's a great thing, but was there something about the crime scene itself to propel such an early FBI involvement? Thanks again -

  • Rob
    Rob Elizabeth, CO
    Nic, one more question/observation after listening to Robert Ives and 'signatures' compared to his analogy of the husband killing his wife. It certainly appears to me that BG has a lot of items on his person while walking the bridge (unless it's for disguise purposes) . I'm wondering if he brought certain items that were used or left as 'signatures'. "Odd" was an interesting term Mr. Ives used. JMHO. Thanks -

    Nic, one more question/observation after listening to Robert Ives and 'signatures' compared to his analogy of the husband killing his wife. It certainly appears to me that BG has a lot of items on his person while walking the bridge (unless it's for disguise purposes) . I'm wondering if he brought certain items that were used or left as 'signatures'. "Odd" was an interesting term Mr. Ives used. JMHO. Thanks -

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Chris - Not sure. Could you post again? Thanks Nic

    @ Chris - Not sure. Could you post again?
    Thanks Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Hi Rob, Usually the FBI will get involved in a missing case - if there is a ransom, a person is taken across state lines or if abducted and gone for more than 24 hours. None of that applies here. There is an office in Indianapolis so I think they were just offering their assistance. As you know they have resources that many agencies do not. They did take over the tip line as well because there were just too many coming for Carroll County to handle. Cheers Nic

    Hi Rob,
    Usually the FBI will get involved in a missing case - if there is a ransom, a person is taken across state lines or if abducted and gone for more than 24 hours. None of that applies here. There is an office in Indianapolis so I think they were just offering their assistance. As you know they have resources that many agencies do not. They did take over the tip line as well because there were just too many coming for Carroll County to handle.
    Cheers Nic

  • Chris
    Chris Massachusetts
    I was just trying to say thanks for the podcast, it's the only one I've listened to extensively, partly because you and the captain are great at talking about the crime, and I enjoy both of your thoughts on it. I only listened to a handful of other ones (about my other hobbies like games or comics), but found them to not be that great and I like that you guys put all this effort into it. I was just asking before if you and the Captain were thinking about doing a case on Lori Vallow in the distant future, since she is getting a lot of coverage here on the news in this state on a weekly basis.

    I was just trying to say thanks for the podcast, it's the only one I've listened to extensively, partly because you and the captain are great at talking about the crime, and I enjoy both of your thoughts on it. I only listened to a handful of other ones (about my other hobbies like games or comics), but found them to not be that great and I like that you guys put all this effort into it. I was just asking before if you and the Captain were thinking about doing a case on Lori Vallow in the distant future, since she is getting a lot of coverage here on the news in this state on a weekly basis.

  • mG
    mG tX
    Kind of ridiculous to devote more time to a topic in which no new information has been released. In fact, very little information was released in the first place. So we devote hours to speculation and minutiae, citing other people's speculation and minutiae. What did you discover? What do you hope to discover when you have next to nothing to go on?

    Kind of ridiculous to devote more time to a topic in which no new information has been released. In fact, very little information was released in the first place. So we devote hours to speculation and minutiae, citing other people's speculation and minutiae. What did you discover? What do you hope to discover when you have next to nothing to go on?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous UK
    Hi. Not had a chance to listen to your podcast yet but definitely will. I've been listening to the Down the hill podcast over the last few nights which was very good. I'd never heard of the case until now. Few questions. The DTH podcast speculated that Bridge guy was laying await at the end of the bridge (west?) and that he walked past the girls on the bridge and then doubled back. How feasible would it be to get to the other end of the bridge without actually crossing it? I wondered if he saw the girls being dropped off and made his way around via the cemetery to the far end of the bridge? Looking at where the girls were found it would also be an easier escape route for him as opposed to going back across the bridge How many people crossed this bridge on a daily basis? Was it popular. It looks pretty hairy so I'm guessing not many? I know Libby's sister said that many of her friends were up there. Does this imply a regular footfall across the bridge? Did anyone other than family know the girls were heading to the trails? Had they told other friends or posted on social media that they were heading out there? The reason I ask is that it just seems slightly implausible that this just happened by chance. For a psycho like bridge guy to just happen to be up there as two young girls happened to be crossing seems odd.

    Hi. Not had a chance to listen to your podcast yet but definitely will. I've been listening to the Down the hill podcast over the last few nights which was very good. I'd never heard of the case until now.
    Few questions.
    The DTH podcast speculated that Bridge guy was laying await at the end of the bridge (west?) and that he walked past the girls on the bridge and then doubled back.
    How feasible would it be to get to the other end of the bridge without actually crossing it? I wondered if he saw the girls being dropped off and made his way around via the cemetery to the far end of the bridge?
    Looking at where the girls were found it would also be an easier escape route for him as opposed to going back across the bridge

    How many people crossed this bridge on a daily basis? Was it popular. It looks pretty hairy so I'm guessing not many?
    I know Libby's sister said that many of her friends were up there. Does this imply a regular footfall across the bridge?

    Did anyone other than family know the girls were heading to the trails?
    Had they told other friends or posted on social media that they were heading out there?

    The reason I ask is that it just seems slightly implausible that this just happened by chance. For a psycho like bridge guy to just happen to be up there as two young girls happened to be crossing seems odd.

  • Laura
    Laura Naples
    Amazing job guys! This case is so disturbing to me. It feels like they have so much evidence that it is unbelievable they haven't made an arrest. I hadn't thought of a helper theory but that is very interesting. I just don't know what that motive would be for a helper to protect BG if he wasn't more directly involved in the killings as well. I have liked the music lately. This is my favorite podcast and thank you for continuing to put out content amid COVID-19

    Amazing job guys! This case is so disturbing to me. It feels like they have so much evidence that it is unbelievable they haven't made an arrest. I hadn't thought of a helper theory but that is very interesting. I just don't know what that motive would be for a helper to protect BG if he wasn't more directly involved in the killings as well. I have liked the music lately. This is my favorite podcast and thank you for continuing to put out content amid COVID-19

  • Katie
    Katie Montana
    Love the show you guys! You both are the best!! P.S. Please do more "Parts Unknown" Tshirts!!

    Love the show you guys! You both are the best!! P.S. Please do more "Parts Unknown" Tshirts!!

  • Jennie Poe
    Jennie Poe Austin, TX
    Hey fellas! Regarding the bridge guy getting across the high bridge so quickly... Down the Hill has a great theory that I find very credible. They’re saying he was already across the bridge (on the side where Deer Creek is) where they were murdered. They say the guy starting walking toward the girls, passed them, and that’s when the girls got spooked and started recording. Basically, he passed them, turned around and took control. He never crossed the bridge after them, he was in the woods at the end of the bridge.

    Hey fellas!
    Regarding the bridge guy getting across the high bridge so quickly... Down the Hill has a great theory that I find very credible. They’re saying he was already across the bridge (on the side where Deer Creek is) where they were murdered. They say the guy starting walking toward the girls, passed them, and that’s when the girls got spooked and started recording. Basically, he passed them, turned around and took control. He never crossed the bridge after them, he was in the woods at the end of the bridge.

  • Chris
    Chris Massachusetts
    You know you could have at least read my comment really quick. I've been a fan for a few months now and just found you guys. I listened to about 25 or so of the cases and bought some on the Amazon store like the OJ one. You didn't have to snub me, and I didn't expect a conversation, I just said thanks for the content and one Q about covering a case. I'll find something else to listen to, very disappointed.

    You know you could have at least read my comment really quick. I've been a fan for a few months now and just found you guys. I listened to about 25 or so of the cases and bought some on the Amazon store like the OJ one. You didn't have to snub me, and I didn't expect a conversation, I just said thanks for the content and one Q about covering a case. I'll find something else to listen to, very disappointed.

  • Frank
    Frank US
    i usually avoid discussions about the delphi case, because it’s still too fresh and there is just not much public information known yet. this was however the most interesting conversation i’ve heard on the topic thus far. most of what’s out there is speculative (and there is undoubtedly a lot of that here as well) but the insight you both had to offer was refreshing and provided a novel point of view on the case. my only critique is that 5’6-5’10 is basically average height for an adult male in the US. i would guess that maybe 75% of the adult male population falls into this height range, so our suspect is probably not inordinately short. thanks as always for the great work and congrats to porchlight on the recent success w/barbara blatnik case. cheers!

    i usually avoid discussions about the delphi case, because it’s still too fresh and there is just not much public information known yet. this was however the most interesting conversation i’ve heard on the topic thus far. most of what’s out there is speculative (and there is undoubtedly a lot of that here as well) but the insight you both had to offer was refreshing and provided a novel point of view on the case.

    my only critique is that 5’6-5’10 is basically average height for an adult male in the US. i would guess that maybe 75% of the adult male population falls into this height range, so our suspect is probably not inordinately short.

    thanks as always for the great work and congrats to porchlight on the recent success w/barbara blatnik case. cheers!

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Chris, That is an interesting case. We have been getting a lot of requests for Vallow case and I have been doing some reading up on it. It's on our list of cases to consider. Thanks for the post. Best Nic

    @ Chris,
    That is an interesting case. We have been getting a lot of requests for Vallow case and I have been doing some reading up on it. It's on our list of cases to consider. Thanks for the post.
    Best Nic

  • Sammie
    Sammie Ky
    Nick I don't think you talk too much. I like your enthusiasm. Captain I love the intro music.

    Nick I don't think you talk too much. I like your enthusiasm. Captain I love the intro music.

  • Susie Q Queen of the Universe
    Susie Q Queen of the Universe Kimball, Michigan
    I would have to believe that the video did not start before they noticed the man. The following is a portion of an article found at https://www.theindychannel.com/news/delphi/three-years-later-everything-we-know-about-the-delphi-murders In the days following the girls’ murders, Libby was heralded a “hero” by state police for having the presence of mind to begin recording at the time she did.

    I would have to believe that the video did not start before they noticed the man. The following is a portion of an article found at https://www.theindychannel.com/news/delphi/three-years-later-everything-we-know-about-the-delphi-murders

    In the days following the girls’ murders, Libby was heralded a “hero” by state police for having the presence of mind to begin recording at the time she did.

  • Megan
    Megan VA
    Hey Nic and Captain, love the podcast! This is about the potential connection between the Delphi murders and the Evansdale murders. I was discussing this case on another site where I brought up the topic of the meat packing plants that were around Delphi and Evansdale and brought up a possible connection there. I hope the police cross checked those plants to see if there was ever a person who may have moved from the one near Evansdale to the one near Delphi between July 2012 and February 2017. It’s plausible to me that if the suspect in Evansdale is a local that he may want to move out of the area at some point. Another poster on the thread pointed out that not only are they meat packing plants, but both Tyson pork plants which tightens that connection. I’ve always wondered when the crime scene was described as “odd” and when the officer said, “those girls are no longer how you left them,” if that meant some kind of staging, which led me to think of potentially a hunter or a butcher. Also someone pointed out that BG’s boots looked like boots people wear at the plant and I think LE in Delphi paid a visit to the plant. Also, a contention point is that Lyric and Elizabeth were moved to another location. I think it’s possible that BG was trying to get Abby and Libby to a vehicle and they fought back (Libby’s lost shoe) causing him to kill them there. The age difference between the girls I think would lead the teenagers to not be nearly as compliant as the younger girls were. Anyways, sorry so long, just a fascinating case and wanted to put my thoughts out there. Keep up the great work!

    Hey Nic and Captain, love the podcast!
    This is about the potential connection between the Delphi murders and the Evansdale murders.

    I was discussing this case on another site where I brought up the topic of the meat packing plants that were around Delphi and Evansdale and brought up a possible connection there. I hope the police cross checked those plants to see if there was ever a person who may have moved from the one near Evansdale to the one near Delphi between July 2012 and February 2017. It’s plausible to me that if the suspect in Evansdale is a local that he may want to move out of the area at some point. Another poster on the thread pointed out that not only are they meat packing plants, but both Tyson pork plants which tightens that connection.

    I’ve always wondered when the crime scene was described as “odd” and when the officer said, “those girls are no longer how you left them,” if that meant some kind of staging, which led me to think of potentially a hunter or a butcher. Also someone pointed out that BG’s boots looked like boots people wear at the plant and I think LE in Delphi paid a visit to the plant.

    Also, a contention point is that Lyric and Elizabeth were moved to another location. I think it’s possible that BG was trying to get Abby and Libby to a vehicle and they fought back (Libby’s lost shoe) causing him to kill them there. The age difference between the girls I think would lead the teenagers to not be nearly as compliant as the younger girls were.

    Anyways, sorry so long, just a fascinating case and wanted to put my thoughts out there. Keep up the great work!

  • Tiffany
    Tiffany Alabama
    Nic, Love the show! I’ve listened to all the mentioned podcasts about Delphi. My question is this, considering the way the investigation changed at that second press conference, when the public was invited. Also, considering the emotional response of law enforcement, at that time (ie. the killer may be present) do you think it’s possible that they have received communication from the killer? Just my thoughts.

    Nic,
    Love the show! I’ve listened to all the mentioned podcasts about Delphi. My question is this, considering the way the investigation changed at that second press conference, when the public was invited. Also, considering the emotional response of law enforcement, at that time (ie. the killer may be present) do you think it’s possible that they have received communication from the killer? Just my thoughts.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Tiffany - What an interesting thought! It’s certainly possible but actually something I never considered. Communication directly from perp to law enforcement regardless what we see on tv is very rare. So the numbers would say it’s not likely. I think the emotional response from Doug Carter is for so many reasons. This is personal for him again for so many reasons. A communication to police always increases the risk factor for the perp. So for that reason, I hope you’re right. Thank you for the post. It’s a very interesting thought! Cheers Nic

    @ Tiffany - What an interesting thought! It’s certainly possible but actually something I never considered. Communication directly from perp to law enforcement regardless what we see on tv is very rare. So the numbers would say it’s not likely. I think the emotional response from Doug Carter is for so many reasons. This is personal for him again for so many reasons. A communication to police always increases the risk factor for the perp. So for that reason, I hope you’re right.
    Thank you for the post. It’s a very interesting thought!
    Cheers Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Queen - I agree with you. I believe the video was being recorded because of bridge guy. The interesting theory being discussed here and elsewhere is BG passed them on the bridge or trail and then turned around and went toward them. This put Libby on high alert. Thanks Nic

    @ Queen - I agree with you. I believe the video was being recorded because of bridge guy. The interesting theory being discussed here and elsewhere is BG passed them on the bridge or trail and then turned around and went toward them. This put Libby on high alert.
    Thanks Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Thank you Marian for the post and the link. We discussed this and probably added to these rumors back when we first covered the case in May 2017. Because LE has held back so much information there are a lot of just terrible rumors out there. I don't fault that blog as I have seen a lot of the same elsewhere. I can't go through each item on that list here but its safe to say that list is not a very good one. There have been things to come out since then to prove that list isn't worth exploring. I get upset at the Libby was pregnant rumor - absolutely FALSE. Doug Carter said it best one day we will know everything. Cheers to you! Nic

    Thank you Marian for the post and the link. We discussed this and probably added to these rumors back when we first covered the case in May 2017. Because LE has held back so much information there are a lot of just terrible rumors out there. I don't fault that blog as I have seen a lot of the same elsewhere. I can't go through each item on that list here but its safe to say that list is not a very good one. There have been things to come out since then to prove that list isn't worth exploring. I get upset at the Libby was pregnant rumor - absolutely FALSE. Doug Carter said it best one day we will know everything.
    Cheers to you!
    Nic

  • Val
    Val Argentina
    The fact that he seems to have "ambushed" them on a bridge makes me think that this guy could be in the military/is maybe connected to the military somehow. I also read that "police say this person may range from age 18 to 40, but caution that his 'youthful appearance' could make him look younger than his true age. ", and you guys mentioned the possibility of - it makes me think that maybe they should look for an older mal, spry for his age, maybe ex-military.

    The fact that he seems to have "ambushed" them on a bridge makes me think that this guy could be in the military/is maybe connected to the military somehow.
    I also read that "police say this person may range from age 18 to 40, but caution that his 'youthful appearance' could make him look younger than his true age. ", and you guys mentioned the possibility of - it makes me think that maybe they should look for an older mal, spry for his age, maybe ex-military.

  • Danny
    Danny Paris, Ar
    Hi, I’m a new listener and this case has just stuck with me. Anyway went and watched the video and from being around some different people and asking some people in the business, I believe that the guy has a below the knee prosthetic on the right leg. Has anyone else made this observation. Thanks

    Hi, I’m a new listener and this case has just stuck with me. Anyway went and watched the video and from being around some different people and asking some people in the business, I believe that the guy has a below the knee prosthetic on the right leg. Has anyone else made this observation. Thanks

  • Bee
    Bee Sydney
    "Lost control of the situation"? In that he manoeuvred two chosen strangers to a (no doubt previously determined) private location, retained (controlled) both, fulfilled his intention to kill them, (no doubt) posed or interferred with them, and continues to remain free and unidentified? I'm pretty sure he thinks it went swimmingly.

    "Lost control of the situation"? In that he manoeuvred two chosen strangers to a (no doubt previously determined) private location, retained (controlled) both, fulfilled his intention to kill them, (no doubt) posed or interferred with them, and continues to remain free and unidentified? I'm pretty sure he thinks it went swimmingly.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Maybe BG considers this a success? But I truly feel what went down was not as he intended. These guys are acting out fantasies. They script it out in the pea brain. If it doesn't go as scripted it is not "successful". That is part of the reason that some of them do it again and again. They are chasing the dragon, they want to live that fantasy. Cheers Nic

    Maybe BG considers this a success? But I truly feel what went down was not as he intended. These guys are acting out fantasies. They script it out in the pea brain. If it doesn't go as scripted it is not "successful". That is part of the reason that some of them do it again and again. They are chasing the dragon, they want to live that fantasy.
    Cheers Nic

  • Bee
    Bee Sydney
    I think of these young ladies as often as I think of Bella and Cece (a fair bit). I love your podcast. Not sure about him having a gun, given that the girls 'chose not to leave each other'. You can split and run from a knife, a gun not so much. The recording may even have them whispering about it. You don't need to be a truck driver to happen across suitable locations these days, you can do a fair bit of planning on google maps, before familiarising/refining on site. He may have hidden out there, even overnight, and scoped out the general comings and goings. If it's a known teen hangout, that might be his target age (cf oportunistic). Maybe he was a teen in the area? Maybe he was rejected/ostracised. If he's a longtime local surely he'd be known to LE. Or at least a clear suspect to residents. These SKesque crimes don't erupt out of nowhere (so I've heard), so, if he has lived/worked in the area he must have kept a low profile. The main reason to cross the river is to get to the other side. He has a concealed spot there, and he's no longer trapped at bridge end. (In chilhood books, if you exit up or downstream from your entrance it also helps to throw off human/canine trackers.) He may be travelling by motorcycle. Easy to conceal. Goes offroad. He may have even crushed his leg in an accident. Can hospital records be checked? He doesn't vibe modern military (maybe a bit Nam), but it's also possible for the leg issue. Finally, sending love to these girls and those who miss them

    I think of these young ladies as often as I think of Bella and Cece (a fair bit).
    I love your podcast.
    Not sure about him having a gun, given that the girls 'chose not to leave each other'. You can split and run from a knife, a gun not so much. The recording may even have them whispering about it.
    You don't need to be a truck driver to happen across suitable locations these days, you can do a fair bit of planning on google maps, before familiarising/refining on site. He may have hidden out there, even overnight, and scoped out the general comings and goings.
    If it's a known teen hangout, that might be his target age (cf oportunistic). Maybe he was a teen in the area? Maybe he was rejected/ostracised.
    If he's a longtime local surely he'd be known to LE. Or at least a clear suspect to residents. These SKesque crimes don't erupt out of nowhere (so I've heard), so, if he has lived/worked in the area he must have kept a low profile.
    The main reason to cross the river is to get to the other side. He has a concealed spot there, and he's no longer trapped at bridge end. (In chilhood books, if you exit up or downstream from your entrance it also helps to throw off human/canine trackers.)
    He may be travelling by motorcycle. Easy to conceal. Goes offroad.
    He may have even crushed his leg in an accident. Can hospital records be checked?
    He doesn't vibe modern military (maybe a bit Nam), but it's also possible for the leg issue.
    Finally, sending love to these girls and those who miss them

  • Cathy
    Cathy Virginia
    After listening to this podcast, I listened to the Down the Hill podcast, as well. One thing that I find a strong possibility, that no one else seems to be talking about, is that the perpetrator may well have been/is a student at Perdue university. When the police or civilians discuss the fact that they believe the individual is local, they talk about Delphi. Layfayette is still local to Delphi. It's not that far, and for those of us who have attended college, that distance is not too far to know about those trails--or more specifically, an abandoned railroad bridge to prove one's bravery by crossing. Perdue students would absolutely know about the Delphi trails. I wouldn't be surprised if there are student organizations that sponsor hikes there.

    After listening to this podcast, I listened to the Down the Hill podcast, as well. One thing that I find a strong possibility, that no one else seems to be talking about, is that the perpetrator may well have been/is a student at Perdue university. When the police or civilians discuss the fact that they believe the individual is local, they talk about Delphi. Layfayette is still local to Delphi. It's not that far, and for those of us who have attended college, that distance is not too far to know about those trails--or more specifically, an abandoned railroad bridge to prove one's bravery by crossing. Perdue students would absolutely know about the Delphi trails. I wouldn't be surprised if there are student organizations that sponsor hikes there.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Bee and Cathy - to both - great thoughts and theories. And yes we can say a little pray / send some love to the girls and their loved ones. Cheers Nic

    @ Bee and Cathy - to both -
    great thoughts and theories. And yes we can say a little pray / send some love to the girls and their loved ones.
    Cheers Nic

  • Kimberly
    Kimberly Brampton Ontario
    This story breaks my heart and it is completely mind boggling that there could be so much evidence and still no clue as to who did this. You guys have done great covering it! I love your podcast! One thought I have regarding the lack of information provided to the public is that multiple times we have heard officers say that someone knows this person and that possibly he’s told somebody about what he has done. However I think that is probably unlikely at this point. What I believe would be more useful to the investigation would be to release more details of the crime, particularly if it was a sexual fantasy driven crime ( what think most people likely believe it is but we really have no idea) I think it is far more likely that this person has told someone of his “fantasies” or possibly attempted to act out these fantasies with a girlfriend or wife rather then actually gave someone specifics of his crime that he has so far gotten away with. I think the specific details may spark more of a connection for someone who is intimately close to the suspect.

    This story breaks my heart and it is completely mind boggling that there could be so much evidence and still no clue as to who did this. You guys have done great covering it! I love your podcast! One thought I have regarding the lack of information provided to the public is that multiple times we have heard officers say that someone knows this person and that possibly he’s told somebody about what he has done. However I think that is probably unlikely at this point. What I believe would be more useful to the investigation would be to release more details of the crime, particularly if it was a sexual fantasy driven crime ( what think most people likely believe it is but we really have no idea) I think it is far more likely that this person has told someone of his “fantasies” or possibly attempted to act out these fantasies with a girlfriend or wife rather then actually gave someone specifics of his crime that he has so far gotten away with. I think the specific details may spark more of a connection for someone who is intimately close to the suspect.

  • Meg
    Meg Calgary
    I was so excited to listen to this, Delphi is the one case I cannot get out of my head. And I adore Melissa from victimology! You both brought up really interesting things I hadn't heard before. I love this kind of discussion, you should do them more often! I can't wait to cheers when they finally catch bridge guy. Thanks Nic & Captain!!

    I was so excited to listen to this, Delphi is the one case I cannot get out of my head. And I adore Melissa from victimology!
    You both brought up really interesting things I hadn't heard before. I love this kind of discussion, you should do them more often!
    I can't wait to cheers when they finally catch bridge guy.
    Thanks Nic & Captain!!

  • Melissa Lee
    Melissa Lee Illinois
    Hey Nic, thanks for having me on to discuss Abby and Libby's case! Fingers crossed answers are coming soon!

    Hey Nic, thanks for having me on to discuss Abby and Libby's case! Fingers crossed answers are coming soon!

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Melissa - Hey we have had so many incredibly interesting Delphi discussions, I felt it would be great to turn the mics on and have another. Thank you for kicking it in the garage for a night! Cheers Nic

    @ Melissa - Hey we have had so many incredibly interesting Delphi discussions, I felt it would be great to turn the mics on and have another. Thank you for kicking it in the garage for a night!
    Cheers Nic

  • Danny
    Danny Ar
    Nic what do you think and the BK amputee

    Nic what do you think and the BK amputee

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Hi Danny, I don't think BG is an amputee. I think what we may be perceiving as an odd walking motion/gait could be false. I think he is walking like that because he is navigating the bridge which is not incredibly easy passage and he is doing it at a faster than normal pace. He is desperate to get to them and that is scary. I VERY MUCH could be wrong. Anyone's guess is as good as mine. I am feeling confident that we will know soon. I'd say before the end of 2020. Cheers Nic

    Hi Danny,
    I don't think BG is an amputee. I think what we may be perceiving as an odd walking motion/gait could be false. I think he is walking like that because he is navigating the bridge which is not incredibly easy passage and he is doing it at a faster than normal pace. He is desperate to get to them and that is scary. I VERY MUCH could be wrong. Anyone's guess is as good as mine. I am feeling confident that we will know soon. I'd say before the end of 2020.
    Cheers Nic

  • Mia
    Mia AL
    I am just throwing out my thoughts on this. I am wondering if the person that did this some joe knew the girls. Abby’s mom worked at a bar so could have been possible that this person knew she had a daughter? Also, had knowledge that the girls would be there that day? It seems to strange to me that a predator would just be waiting around during the week and that time to snatch and kill someone. Also, this person had to know the area.

    I am just throwing out my thoughts on this. I am wondering if the person that did this some joe knew the girls. Abby’s mom worked at a bar so could have been possible that this person knew she had a daughter? Also, had knowledge that the girls would be there that day? It seems to strange to me that a predator would just be waiting around during the week and that time to snatch and kill someone. Also, this person had to know the area.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Mia - your thoughts are all good ones and thanks for throwing them out here. I've considered a lot of the same. The one thing that I keep coming back to is based off of what Libby's family has said from day 1 - this was a very last minute trip. So this puts the probability of anyone other than a small handful of people that would know that the girls were going to the trails. If this is in fact the case then we do have someone patrolling the area, on the hunt, and looking for HIS (which is key) ideal victim(s). For me it keeps going back to - that we do not fully understand the motive for what went down that day. I truly think that if we did that would go a long way for LE. That could very likely drastically change the course of this investigation. Let today be the day! Thanks Mia - Nic

    @ Mia - your thoughts are all good ones and thanks for throwing them out here. I've considered a lot of the same. The one thing that I keep coming back to is based off of what Libby's family has said from day 1 - this was a very last minute trip. So this puts the probability of anyone other than a small handful of people that would know that the girls were going to the trails. If this is in fact the case then we do have someone patrolling the area, on the hunt, and looking for HIS (which is key) ideal victim(s). For me it keeps going back to - that we do not fully understand the motive for what went down that day. I truly think that if we did that would go a long way for LE. That could very likely drastically change the course of this investigation. Let today be the day!
    Thanks Mia - Nic

  • Erin
    Erin FL
    Love you guys !!! Your podcast is what enables me to commute the hour each way to work and back. I appreciated this discussion on the Delphi case. It got me thinking about it again - it's so frustrating - but I have noticed this time what I couldn't figure out before. There is one brief second of the BG video where I can see his head better - I don't think he is wearing anything on his head. I think that his hair is visible and it is straight, light brown. I don't know if this is news to LE since we don't know how much image of this guy they actually have but their profile sketch has curly hair. Kinda makes me wonder.

    Love you guys !!! Your podcast is what enables me to commute the hour each way to work and back. I appreciated this discussion on the Delphi case. It got me thinking about it again - it's so frustrating - but I have noticed this time what I couldn't figure out before. There is one brief second of the BG video where I can see his head better - I don't think he is wearing anything on his head. I think that his hair is visible and it is straight, light brown. I don't know if this is news to LE since we don't know how much image of this guy they actually have but their profile sketch has curly hair. Kinda makes me wonder.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Thanks Erin - the hat not hat debate is not a heated one but very 50/50. Even within myself... Sometimes I see a hat sometimes not. What I do know is... This guy is an ugly, scumbag loser and he knows it. I can't wait until he's in handcuffs with a bulletproof vest over him because they KNOW someone is going to try and take a shot(s) at this pedophile. Sorry for getting dark there. Enjoy the holiday weekend everyone. Cheers Nic

    Thanks Erin - the hat not hat debate is not a heated one but very 50/50. Even within myself... Sometimes I see a hat sometimes not.
    What I do know is... This guy is an ugly, scumbag loser and he knows it. I can't wait until he's in handcuffs with a bulletproof vest over him because they KNOW someone is going to try and take a shot(s) at this pedophile.
    Sorry for getting dark there. Enjoy the holiday weekend everyone.
    Cheers Nic

  • Lori
    Lori Virginia
    Thoughts: 1. He appears to be cautiously "herding" them across that bridge in the scant video made available. Smart because if he rushed at them they could have separated and one may have got away or gone off the edge. I wonder if he has experience in animal husbandry. 2. Was he aware he was being filmed and stayed back to avoid a close up. 3. Does he have a deformity to his left hand? It appears tucked in a pants pocket. The right hand in a jacket pocket makes me think he may have a weapon there. The left hand though? 4. His gait instability could be explained not only by the "terrain" of the bridge but also by his hands both being tucked away. We naturally use our arms to balance, think of every tight rope walker you've ever seen. Again why is it so important to keep that left hand in his pocket? 5. Was this a geo-caching ruse. When he is saying down the hill did they perhaps believe he was directing them to a geo cache? 6. My gut says he's local knew the area and may have had a partner on the other end. I don't think he particularly cared if he netted a teen or a woman. I think he intended to take his victim to another site. Made me think of the mountain man abduction of a woman in Montana in the 80's. (Btw the son of that dynamic duo has been released from prison.) Two girls? Why not. One Valentine for me one for my helper. 7. John Douglas talks about these losers having an issue, like a stutter. That's why I suspect the hand may be deformed. To summarize, local POS familiar with the area essentially herding these young ladies through a chute where he was either counting on the terrain or a partner to help him incapacitate them and take them to another site. May have had a deformed left hand. Laid in wait that unseasonably warm day for a random victim. Definitely experienced and disciplined.

    Thoughts:
    1. He appears to be cautiously "herding" them across that bridge in the scant video made available. Smart because if he rushed at them they could have separated and one may have got away or gone off the edge. I wonder if he has experience in animal husbandry.
    2. Was he aware he was being filmed and stayed back to avoid a close up.
    3. Does he have a deformity to his left hand? It appears tucked in a pants pocket. The right hand in a jacket pocket makes me think he may have a weapon there. The left hand though?
    4. His gait instability could be explained not only by the "terrain" of the bridge but also by his hands both being tucked away. We naturally use our arms to balance, think of every tight rope walker you've ever seen. Again why is it so important to keep that left hand in his pocket?
    5. Was this a geo-caching ruse. When he is saying down the hill did they perhaps believe he was directing them to a geo cache?
    6. My gut says he's local knew the area and may have had a partner on the other end. I don't think he particularly cared if he netted a teen or a woman. I think he intended to take his victim to another site. Made me think of the mountain man abduction of a woman in Montana in the 80's. (Btw the son of that dynamic duo has been released from prison.) Two girls? Why not. One Valentine for me one for my helper.
    7. John Douglas talks about these losers having an issue, like a stutter. That's why I suspect the hand may be deformed.
    To summarize, local POS familiar with the area essentially herding these young ladies through a chute where he was either counting on the terrain or a partner to help him incapacitate them and take them to another site. May have had a deformed left hand. Laid in wait that unseasonably warm day for a random victim. Definitely experienced and disciplined.

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