Henry McCabe /// 264 Last Will & Testament /// 263

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  • Martin

    Martin England

    Regarding the Last Will & Testament episode, Nic should not feel bad about mentioning the number of books he reads. In no way did it come across as a 'humble brag', whatever that is. Only people who don't read, or feel guilty about not reading enough, would have a problem with it.

    Regarding the Last Will & Testament episode, Nic should not feel bad about mentioning the number of books he reads. In no way did it come across as a 'humble brag', whatever that is. Only people who don't read, or feel guilty about not reading enough, would have a problem with it.

  • April

    April La

    Is it possible that Henry asked to be dropped off at the wrong gas station location, the one that the friend had initially reported he dropped off Henry to? Maybe the friend, also being slightly intoxicated, mistakenly brought him to the wrong station, and Henry was going to walk home from there after getting something from the store, which would have been a straight shot down 73rd going East and giving Henry time to walk off his buzz. Forgetting that he left his wallet with his friend at the bar, he decides to walk home. Not realizing he is at the wrong gas station and no where near 73rd, he walks in the East direction towards his home. This is where he gets dizzy and lost and tries to call his wife where he falls over and hurts himself or somehow pulls some muscle or tendon in his back causing a sharp pain thinking he was shot. Moments later after theatrics, he realizes he isn't shot and shakes his head in disbelief at himself, and says "stop it". Gathering his dignity back up he walks off in the direction towards home where he is close to passing out, possibly dehydrated or sleepy or possibly just not seeing where he was due to darkness, he eventually stumbles falls into the lake and drowns. A question I had was whether or not the time change was accounted for in the wife's phone call, the three hour time difference from Minnesota could have given Henry 3 and a half hours to get to the lake location to have made the call at 2:30am Pacific time in California where the voicemail was recorded. I am sure this was taken into consideration but i am curious as it could give a lot of time for Henry to become further disillusioned and panicky before making the call.

    Is it possible that Henry asked to be dropped off at the wrong gas station location, the one that the friend had initially reported he dropped off Henry to? Maybe the friend, also being slightly intoxicated, mistakenly brought him to the wrong station, and Henry was going to walk home from there after getting something from the store, which would have been a straight shot down 73rd going East and giving Henry time to walk off his buzz. Forgetting that he left his wallet with his friend at the bar, he decides to walk home. Not realizing he is at the wrong gas station and no where near 73rd, he walks in the East direction towards his home. This is where he gets dizzy and lost and tries to call his wife where he falls over and hurts himself or somehow pulls some muscle or tendon in his back causing a sharp pain thinking he was shot. Moments later after theatrics, he realizes he isn't shot and shakes his head in disbelief at himself, and says "stop it". Gathering his dignity back up he walks off in the direction towards home where he is close to passing out, possibly dehydrated or sleepy or possibly just not seeing where he was due to darkness, he eventually stumbles falls into the lake and drowns.

    A question I had was whether or not the time change was accounted for in the wife's phone call, the three hour time difference from Minnesota could have given Henry 3 and a half hours to get to the lake location to have made the call at 2:30am Pacific time in California where the voicemail was recorded. I am sure this was taken into consideration but i am curious as it could give a lot of time for Henry to become further disillusioned and panicky before making the call.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Henry’s is a difficult case. It’s so much like the Dutch hikers case. We have no proof of a murder or even a crime taking place but the whole damn thing just does not add up. This was a difficult case to research but a fun one to discuss with the Captain in the garage. I hope that in some way we helped to keep Henry’s story alive no matter what the truth is. Cheers Nic

    Henry’s is a difficult case. It’s so much like the Dutch hikers case. We have no proof of a murder or even a crime taking place but the whole damn thing just does not add up. This was a difficult case to research but a fun one to discuss with the Captain in the garage. I hope that in some way we helped to keep Henry’s story alive no matter what the truth is.
    Cheers Nic

  • Camille

    Camille Battle Ground, WA

    In the case of Henry McCabe, I unfortunately suspect a hate crime. There are lots of terrible people out there who, if they saw an intoxicated black man at 2 am walking down the street, would think nothing about hurting him, maybe even torturing and throwing him in a lake. I hate to stereotype, but these individuals might have also owned a boat or 4 x 4 vehicle capable of driving through the heavy brush to the lake where they disposed of him. I know they said there were no marks on his body, but the autopsy seems a little flawed anyways.

    In the case of Henry McCabe, I unfortunately suspect a hate crime. There are lots of terrible people out there who, if they saw an intoxicated black man at 2 am walking down the street, would think nothing about hurting him, maybe even torturing and throwing him in a lake. I hate to stereotype, but these individuals might have also owned a boat or 4 x 4 vehicle capable of driving through the heavy brush to the lake where they disposed of him. I know they said there were no marks on his body, but the autopsy seems a little flawed anyways.

  • Lisa Keeneth

    Lisa Keeneth Denver by way of Mn

    It’s not P O V it’s povs like a word and the reason it seems confusing is it a shortened nic name. And if there was no event, it probably wasn’t that busy. This is the bar I met my husband for the first time.

    It’s not P O V it’s povs like a word and the reason it seems confusing is it a shortened nic name.
    And if there was no event, it probably wasn’t that busy.
    This is the bar I met my husband for the first time.

  • Katie- Alton NH

    Katie- Alton NH

    It's hard to distinguish much on the Henry McCabe voicemail, but to me that "growling" actually sounds like it could either be someone who has begun drowning, like a human swallowing water while struggling to get out or a gurgling car engine. I don't hear an animal. Is that just me?

    It's hard to distinguish much on the Henry McCabe voicemail, but to me that "growling" actually sounds like it could either be someone who has begun drowning, like a human swallowing water while struggling to get out or a gurgling car engine. I don't hear an animal. Is that just me?

  • Camille

    Camille Battle Ground, WA

    On second listening...the growls and moans actually sound a lot like those of a mountain lion to me.

    On second listening...the growls and moans actually sound a lot like those of a mountain lion to me.

  • Samantha Gist

    Samantha Gist

    What i want to talk more about is Bigfoot living at the police station. Cauae this would explain so much.

    What i want to talk more about is Bigfoot living at the police station. Cauae this would explain so much.

  • sabrina letasi

    sabrina letasi

    Regarding his wife, she is so certain he butt dialed her and did not call for help. Seems suspicious. Was she a grieving wife after he died? I just wonder cause as a wife, I would not ever discount that my husband called me for help. But I guess in this case how could she help him if she was in another state? If he was being held under water by someone and forced into the water, I could believe it was a butt dial, but then that would not be ruled an accidental death. So if she thinks it was an accidental death and nobody was around to help him or to push him, then why couldn't he have called her? but then why wouldn't he have called her when he was just walking along in the woods? But if he was being forced into the woods and into the water, how could he have held his phone, and dialed her while they were doing this stuff to him? So either way most likely it was a butt dial? I just don't know now, before I started this I was thinking she was suspicious, I still think that if she wasn't sad over him dying, and also if she just believed he died accidentally with no evidence. I think us listeners are owed another autopsy :) This is just plain weird.

    Regarding his wife, she is so certain he butt dialed her and did not call for help. Seems suspicious. Was she a grieving wife after he died? I just wonder cause as a wife, I would not ever discount that my husband called me for help. But I guess in this case how could she help him if she was in another state? If he was being held under water by someone and forced into the water, I could believe it was a butt dial, but then that would not be ruled an accidental death. So if she thinks it was an accidental death and nobody was around to help him or to push him, then why couldn't he have called her? but then why wouldn't he have called her when he was just walking along in the woods?

    But if he was being forced into the woods and into the water, how could he have held his phone, and dialed her while they were doing this stuff to him? So either way most likely it was a butt dial? I just don't know now, before I started this I was thinking she was suspicious, I still think that if she wasn't sad over him dying, and also if she just believed he died accidentally with no evidence.

    I think us listeners are owed another autopsy smile This is just plain weird.

  • Lori

    Lori AZ

    With McCabe it made me think of a baby crying. I know that’s not it but it sounded like a baby crying and not a grown man. So odd

    With McCabe it made me think of a baby crying. I know that’s not it but it sounded like a baby crying and not a grown man. So odd

  • Kimmy

    Kimmy Youngstown, OH

    Just wanted to give my thoughts on his wife insisting it was a butt-dial; if they were separated and she lived a bit away in California, could that may be why she believes it was a butt-dial? If he was calling for help for any reason, my first thought would be that he would have called one of his friends from that night or someone else that was in the area to begin with. If I were far away from a family member, friend, partner, or ex partner and they called me, I would believe it to be most likely a butt-dial as well if there was no way I could've helped them. Why would someone states away be calling someone for help and not be calling someone at least in the same state? Granted, he was drunk or even possibly drugged, so he could've been calling her for help after-all and just kinda... not able to think straight, y'know? But I do not personally find it suspicious that his wife believed it to be a butt-dial.

    Just wanted to give my thoughts on his wife insisting it was a butt-dial; if they were separated and she lived a bit away in California, could that may be why she believes it was a butt-dial? If he was calling for help for any reason, my first thought would be that he would have called one of his friends from that night or someone else that was in the area to begin with. If I were far away from a family member, friend, partner, or ex partner and they called me, I would believe it to be most likely a butt-dial as well if there was no way I could've helped them. Why would someone states away be calling someone for help and not be calling someone at least in the same state? Granted, he was drunk or even possibly drugged, so he could've been calling her for help after-all and just kinda... not able to think straight, y'know? But I do not personally find it suspicious that his wife believed it to be a butt-dial.

  • Hey yall, when will "Ban the Van" shirts be in stock? Just curious. Thanks!

    Hey yall, when will "Ban the Van" shirts be in stock? Just curious. Thanks!

  • Reb

    Reb DC

    Thanks for these episodes. The creepy – creeperton factors are what I love you guys for! On the Last Will and Testament case, just a note: the age of the car I suspect its simply based on the fact that in this wealthy, affluent area, a beater car would stand out and have been noticed by witnesses as opposed to relatively new cars no one would have noted. Also, I was creeped out as hell when I saw, after listening to this episode, how much the two victims (despite their age differences) looked so much alike. On the poor fate of Henry McCabe: - Having never heard of this case before, the audio clip at the beginning of the episode scared the living heck out of me!!! Thank you!!! - Each jurisdiction sets its own practice about what it releases in terms of evidence and autopsy information. So, I don’t draw conclusions about the fact that such items were not released. I would only draw some inferences if it the jurisdiction’s protocols for release were not followed. - I DO NOT LIKE AUTOPSIES FOR HIRE. You yourselves have pointed out situations where these “experts” are often disgraced former coroners. And, they have every incentive to “find something that was overlooked” so that other desperate families will hire them. While it is true that every once in a while something new is discovered from a second autopsies, people tend to remember those examples because they are the exceptions that prove the rule. - I have taken the train through this area dozens and dozens of times and have noted repeatedly how all the roadhouses, gas stations, convenience stores, etc. along the road parallel to the train look painfully alike for hundreds and hundreds of miles. Throw some tipsiness into the equation, and I see how someone could completely mistake one gas station for another. - Despite the creepiness of the phone call, I kind of think this whole thing is extremely easy to make sense of. Henry has a wife and two kids and probably doesn’t get his freak on much anymore. Family goes out of town and he calls his “fun-time” buddy, and joins him and his friends (who he may know casually, but he’s not a part of their usual posse) for a night out at the club. Henry probably haven’t thrown down that often in recent years, and way overdrinks. He’s obnoxious enough (it’s happened to all of us) that others try to intervene, but since most of these guys aren’t BFFs, their efforts aren’t that serious. Henry gets obnoxious on the ride home, buddy is all the willing to let him out, and then he wanders off and stumbles down the wrong way and into a tributary, boat slip, or dock (which this lake has many of, despite the liars on the interweb) - “Stop it”: Not that I personally have EVER done this myself ;) but sometimes when you are really drunk and you are having serious difficulty with your footing or orientation, you might actually take a deep breath and chastise yourself as a means to get your head together. Given that there is no other words spoken on the VM, this makes the most sense to me. - I thought you were joking about a bigfoot theory! People are ridiculous. Internet people, especially. You guys are always a pleasure! More of these creepy cases (I love busting out the Missy Beavers video and asking people what they see!!)

    Thanks for these episodes. The creepy – creeperton factors are what I love you guys for!

    On the Last Will and Testament case, just a note: the age of the car I suspect its simply based on the fact that in this wealthy, affluent area, a beater car would stand out and have been noticed by witnesses as opposed to relatively new cars no one would have noted. Also, I was creeped out as hell when I saw, after listening to this episode, how much the two victims (despite their age differences) looked so much alike.

    On the poor fate of Henry McCabe:
    - Having never heard of this case before, the audio clip at the beginning of the episode scared the living heck out of me!!! Thank you!!!
    - Each jurisdiction sets its own practice about what it releases in terms of evidence and autopsy information. So, I don’t draw conclusions about the fact that such items were not released. I would only draw some inferences if it the jurisdiction’s protocols for release were not followed.
    - I DO NOT LIKE AUTOPSIES FOR HIRE. You yourselves have pointed out situations where these “experts” are often disgraced former coroners. And, they have every incentive to “find something that was overlooked” so that other desperate families will hire them. While it is true that every once in a while something new is discovered from a second autopsies, people tend to remember those examples because they are the exceptions that prove the rule.
    - I have taken the train through this area dozens and dozens of times and have noted repeatedly how all the roadhouses, gas stations, convenience stores, etc. along the road parallel to the train look painfully alike for hundreds and hundreds of miles. Throw some tipsiness into the equation, and I see how someone could completely mistake one gas station for another.
    - Despite the creepiness of the phone call, I kind of think this whole thing is extremely easy to make sense of. Henry has a wife and two kids and probably doesn’t get his freak on much anymore. Family goes out of town and he calls his “fun-time” buddy, and joins him and his friends (who he may know casually, but he’s not a part of their usual posse) for a night out at the club. Henry probably haven’t thrown down that often in recent years, and way overdrinks. He’s obnoxious enough (it’s happened to all of us) that others try to intervene, but since most of these guys aren’t BFFs, their efforts aren’t that serious. Henry gets obnoxious on the ride home, buddy is all the willing to let him out, and then he wanders off and stumbles down the wrong way and into a tributary, boat slip, or dock (which this lake has many of, despite the liars on the interweb)
    - “Stop it”: Not that I personally have EVER done this myself wink but sometimes when you are really drunk and you are having serious difficulty with your footing or orientation, you might actually take a deep breath and chastise yourself as a means to get your head together. Given that there is no other words spoken on the VM, this makes the most sense to me.
    - I thought you were joking about a bigfoot theory! People are ridiculous. Internet people, especially.
    You guys are always a pleasure! More of these creepy cases (I love busting out the Missy Beavers video and asking people what they see!!)

  • RACHEL

    RACHEL AMHERST, OH

    There is a 1991 movie called "Victim Of Beauty, Nightmare in Columbia County, the Dawn Smith story" that is based on Shari's story. I watched it when it came out and even slipped the VHS tape in the VCR and recorded it to watch again. I have been a true crime fan most my life :) Anyways, it's a sad story and I am glad you covered it. I actually think of it every time I walk to my mailbox, or sing amazing grace, since that was in the movie. Listening to the episode was so weird because most people are not familiar with the story at all. Good job guys !

    There is a 1991 movie called "Victim Of Beauty, Nightmare in Columbia County, the Dawn Smith story" that is based on Shari's story. I watched it when it came out and even slipped the VHS tape in the VCR and recorded it to watch again. I have been a true crime fan most my life smile Anyways, it's a sad story and I am glad you covered it. I actually think of it every time I walk to my mailbox, or sing amazing grace, since that was in the movie. Listening to the episode was so weird because most people are not familiar with the story at all. Good job guys !

  • Meghan

    Meghan Pittsburgh

    I don’t know that Henry would have called his wife for help when she was out of town but I suppose it’s possible that he did so in a panic/drunken state. However, my first thought was that it was a goodbye call. If he made the call intentionally, maybe he knew he wasn’t going to survive whatever was happening and was trying to say goodbye to his wife. Or maybe he made the call so that there would be some evidence left behind, such as the voicemail and a phone ping in the area.

    I don’t know that Henry would have called his wife for help when she was out of town but I suppose it’s possible that he did so in a panic/drunken state. However, my first thought was that it was a goodbye call. If he made the call intentionally, maybe he knew he wasn’t going to survive whatever was happening and was trying to say goodbye to his wife. Or maybe he made the call so that there would be some evidence left behind, such as the voicemail and a phone ping in the area.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    We will be looking to add Ban the Van shirts to the inventory early next year. Cheers Nic

    We will be looking to add Ban the Van shirts to the inventory early next year.
    Cheers Nic

  • David Asaro

    David Asaro

    Regarding Henry, no pun intended, it sounds like he is screaming under water. My thought is that he was either held under water and then brought back out and that is where you get the moaning. And if his phone was submerged that could cause alot of funky noises.

    Regarding Henry, no pun intended, it sounds like he is screaming under water. My thought is that he was either held under water and then brought back out and that is where you get the moaning. And if his phone was submerged that could cause alot of funky noises.

  • Mellow

    Mellow Parts well known

    When listening to the Henry story and that short voice mail I thought it sounded familiar, but then when u mentioned the lake I was almost sure of it. I heard an episode of Coast to Coast maybe a year or two ago and George Knori has a guest who had been studying all these guys that had just dissapeared without any explanation as to why and then ended up being found in a body of water. They for sure played the audio where someone says stop it. I wish I could remember the guests name but I’m almost positive this is the same case. I wonder if anyone else on here listens to Coast to Coast and heard it.

    When listening to the Henry story and that short voice mail I thought it sounded familiar, but then when u mentioned the lake I was almost sure of it. I heard an episode of Coast to Coast maybe a year or two ago and George Knori has a guest who had been studying all these guys that had just dissapeared without any explanation as to why and then ended up being found in a body of water. They for sure played the audio where someone says stop it. I wish I could remember the guests name but I’m almost positive this is the same case. I wonder if anyone else on here listens to Coast to Coast and heard it.

  • Mellow

    Mellow Parts unsewn

    Actually I hve to take back what I said in my last post. I was able to find a YouTube clip of that show on Coast to Coast it was David Paulides and he plays the exact same audio you had. I was so sure I had heard the stop it part.. the only thing I can think is that he did talk about a few cases because he has been studying these cases where an otherwise healthy young male is out for the evening makes a strange phone call and is later found in a body of water. Maybe I mixed up a different call in my head or maybe I’m just a giant douche. Anyway, having listened to it again and as u guys said the FBI is called in. That seems really strange for a case like this, and that is what David mentions to George Nori. That it seems odd that the FBI keeps investigating these cases that he has been looking into. Feels like there is something we don’t know about for FBI to get involved in. A case that’s ultimately ruled accidental drowning

    Actually I hve to take back what I said in my last post. I was able to find a YouTube clip of that show on Coast to Coast it was David Paulides and he plays the exact same audio you had. I was so sure I had heard the stop it part.. the only thing I can think is that he did talk about a few cases because he has been studying these cases where an otherwise healthy young male is out for the evening makes a strange phone call and is later found in a body of water. Maybe I mixed up a different call in my head or maybe I’m just a giant douche. Anyway, having listened to it again and as u guys said the FBI is called in. That seems really strange for a case like this, and that is what David mentions to George Nori. That it seems odd that the FBI keeps investigating these cases that he has been looking into. Feels like there is something we don’t know about for FBI to get involved in. A case that’s ultimately ruled accidental drowning

  • Donna

    Donna MI

    I'd like to hear your dissection of the murders of Dr. Alan Kahn and Valentina Hurst in Sterling Heights, MI in 1985. Lots of intrigue! Love your podcasts!

    I'd like to hear your dissection of the murders of Dr. Alan Kahn and Valentina Hurst in Sterling Heights, MI in 1985. Lots of intrigue! Love your podcasts!

  • Deb

    Deb NH

    I am suspicious of the wife. I think I would be traumatized by the voice msg. She sounded rather lacking of any emotion relating to her husbands msg whether the call was intentional or not. Just matter of fact, as if she were speaking of an acquaintance and not a loved one. Maybe she was done with him after whatever transpired on his job?

    I am suspicious of the wife. I think I would be traumatized by the voice msg. She sounded rather lacking of any emotion relating to her husbands msg whether the call was intentional or not. Just matter of fact, as if she were speaking of an acquaintance and not a loved one. Maybe she was done with him after whatever transpired on his job?

  • Kathleen

    Kathleen Chicago

    Hey guys, just listened to Peripheral podcast episode and O Captain! My Captain!----love you more than ever. Glad I'm not alone in this battle. Medication, nutrition, hydration and yoga have been helpful. TCG has gotten me through some rough moments. I have been through some similar things and glad I made it through still breathing. Also wanted to share my response when people try to compare my pain/circumstances to someone else's. (Such as "You have so much going for you. Buck up!!!) Suffering is suffering. You can't compare emotional pain. Anthony Bourdain is just one example. I could go on about this topic, but here I pause. Love you two beyond words. Deep gratitude. 💕

    Hey guys, just listened to Peripheral podcast episode and O Captain! My Captain!----love you more than ever. Glad I'm not alone in this battle. Medication, nutrition, hydration and yoga have been helpful. TCG has gotten me through some rough moments. I have been through some similar things and glad I made it through still breathing. Also wanted to share my response when people try to compare my pain/circumstances to someone else's. (Such as "You have so much going for you. Buck up!!!)

    Suffering is suffering. You can't compare emotional pain. Anthony Bourdain is just one example.

    I could go on about this topic, but here I pause.

    Love you two beyond words. Deep gratitude. 💕

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Cheers Kathleen - Thanks for sharing! Nic

    Cheers Kathleen - Thanks for sharing!
    Nic

  • mG

    mG tX

    Curious as to why you did not go with a double episode on the "Last Will and Testament" episode? Very interesting and sad case. Seemed like their was some more meat on the bone there.

    Curious as to why you did not go with a double episode on the "Last Will and Testament" episode? Very interesting and sad case. Seemed like their was some more meat on the bone there.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    That was a tricky one mG... I’ve wanted to cover that case (Shari Smith) for the longest time. I think that is one of the more fascinating solved cases. It really shows how when these law enforcement agencies come together with the added incredible strength of the Smith family how a terrible Murderer - who was determined to go on a killing spree was caught and convicted. It’s really good, solid police work at the end of the day. But that was a case that we really questioned for a long time if we could get 2 solid hours out of it. I don’t know the answer to that, maybe we could have but paired with Henry McCabe’s case which we always felt was a 1 Part case it was a good week to get Shari’s case out. Going forward we would like to do this (2 - 1 Part episodes in the same week) a few times through out the year. Is that something that everyone would like to hear more of? We have so many cases recommended that we just don’t get to because they are very obviously just a 1 hour show. Cheers Nic

    That was a tricky one mG...
    I’ve wanted to cover that case (Shari Smith) for the longest time. I think that is one of the more fascinating solved cases. It really shows how when these law enforcement agencies come together with the added incredible strength of the Smith family how a terrible Murderer - who was determined to go on a killing spree was caught and convicted. It’s really good, solid police work at the end of the day. But that was a case that we really questioned for a long time if we could get 2 solid hours out of it. I don’t know the answer to that, maybe we could have but paired with Henry McCabe’s case which we always felt was a 1 Part case it was a good week to get Shari’s case out. Going forward we would like to do this (2 - 1 Part episodes in the same week) a few times through out the year. Is that something that everyone would like to hear more of?
    We have so many cases recommended that we just don’t get to because they are very obviously just a 1 hour show.
    Cheers Nic

  • Rob J

    Rob J Iowa

    My very first thought immediately went to this after you discussed the area where Henry's body was found. I can't find pics of the area but your description is vivid to me. Here's my thought - if he was drugged somehow and wandered into that area after being asked to be dropped off- you said it was dense brush around that area. If he was drugged could he have thought someone was trying to get him when in actuality he was just struggling against the dense brush and trees of the surrounding water thinking it was humans and then asking them to 'stop it'? I'm thinking back to the couple who was on drugs (meth) and lost in the snowstorm - Janelle Hornickel and Michael Wamsley in Omaha, Nebraska - and kept calling for help describing crazy things. I know they are different drugs, but could this be a possibility?

    My very first thought immediately went to this after you discussed the area where Henry's body was found. I can't find pics of the area but your description is vivid to me. Here's my thought - if he was drugged somehow and wandered into that area after being asked to be dropped off- you said it was dense brush around that area. If he was drugged could he have thought someone was trying to get him when in actuality he was just struggling against the dense brush and trees of the surrounding water thinking it was humans and then asking them to 'stop it'? I'm thinking back to the couple who was on drugs (meth) and lost in the snowstorm - Janelle Hornickel and Michael Wamsley in Omaha, Nebraska - and kept calling for help describing crazy things. I know they are different drugs, but could this be a possibility?

  • Nicole

    Nicole Erie Pa

    I loved the 2 1-hour segment week and would like more of them in the future! Could be a good way of addressing solved cases or unsolved cases without many theories? Orrrrr you could do longer shows - I sure wouldn't mind!

    I loved the 2 1-hour segment week and would like more of them in the future! Could be a good way of addressing solved cases or unsolved cases without many theories? Orrrrr you could do longer shows - I sure wouldn't mind!

  • Karen

    Karen Texas

    If Henry McCabe was given or took Molly, Estacy, meth, cocaine or PCP, it raises the users body temperature especially w/ overdose or mixture w/ alcohol. He could have gone into the water to cool down. I just find it odd the a drunk and or high person would walk or be able to walk 7 miles to a lake in the middle of the night. Plus, you would start sobering up on the trip to the lake. I think someone took him there whether it was for illegal reasons (drugs or sex), murder or upon request. It’s very suspicious.

    If Henry McCabe was given or took Molly, Estacy, meth, cocaine or PCP, it raises the users body temperature especially w/ overdose or mixture w/ alcohol. He could have gone into the water to cool down. I just find it odd the a drunk and or high person would walk or be able to walk 7 miles to a lake in the middle of the night. Plus, you would start sobering up on the trip to the lake. I think someone took him there whether it was for illegal reasons (drugs or sex), murder or upon request. It’s very suspicious.

  • Nikki

    Nikki California

    To me, it sounds as though Henry McCabe is yelling underwater.

    To me, it sounds as though Henry McCabe is yelling underwater.

  • Tracy

    Tracy Arkansas

    Nic - Do you listen to the FBI Retired Case File Review podcast? She has retired agents as guests and they often have books they've written. It's a really good podcast!

    Nic -
    Do you listen to the FBI Retired Case File Review podcast? She has retired agents as guests and they often have books they've written. It's a really good podcast!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thank you Tracy - I will check this out. I appreciate it as I have been looking for something new to dive into. Cheers!

    Thank you Tracy - I will check this out.
    I appreciate it as I have been looking for something new to dive into.
    Cheers!

  • Matt

    Matt Northern Virginia

    Why are there two episodes #264 on Stitcher? I think one is mislabeled.

    Why are there two episodes #264 on Stitcher? I think one is mislabeled.

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