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  • Greg

    Greg NJ

    Really sounds on that 911 call like that woman is having a psychotic break, with auditory hallucinations (which would be very vivid to her - the fear would be no less powerful). Note that the roommate doesn't sound alarmed or even reacting to this event.

    Really sounds on that 911 call like that woman is having a psychotic break, with auditory hallucinations (which would be very vivid to her - the fear would be no less powerful). Note that the roommate doesn't sound alarmed or even reacting to this event.

  • Lenny

    Lenny Texas

    I think the room mate is fucking with her. Maybe she had someone in her room and was sneaking them out?

    I think the room mate is fucking with her. Maybe she had someone in her room and was sneaking them out?

  • Dean

    Dean Yorkshire

    Where can i find links to the footage?

    Where can i find links to the footage?

  • Lisa

    Lisa NY

    I don't believe she was talking to herself. Her dog may have wandered away from her, and that could.be where she's jogging to. I talk to my dogs all the time, so that isn't a stretch to believe.

    I don't believe she was talking to herself. Her dog may have wandered away from her, and that could.be where she's jogging to. I talk to my dogs all the time, so that isn't a stretch to believe.

  • Barbara B.

    Barbara B.

    I hear laughter in the background right before minute 23:00 of this program. I don't hear sounds of a robbery or intrusion.

    I hear laughter in the background right before minute 23:00 of this program.
    I don't hear sounds of a robbery or intrusion.

  • John

    John Tennessee

    Did her roommate or anyone not bring her mental state to Kayelyns parents attention!? If so, why didn’t her parents not nip it in the butt?

    Did her roommate or anyone not bring her mental state to Kayelyns parents attention!? If so, why didn’t her parents not nip it in the butt?

  • Ryan

    Ryan VA

    Kayelyn seems to have a YouTube channel. 3 videos posted before her disappearance. One is from the balcony with good look at area and she is talking to her cat whose name i think is Carol. There is another video from inside her room with her dog but it is older vid and don't know if it is same apartment.

    Kayelyn seems to have a YouTube channel. 3 videos posted before her disappearance. One is from the balcony with good look at area and she is talking to her cat whose name i think is Carol. There is another video from inside her room with her dog but it is older vid and don't know if it is same apartment.

  • Marie

    Marie NY

    I agree with Greg - one doesn't need to sound like a raving lunatic to be having a psychotic break. I know a woman with schizophrenia and she seems very normal when she has auditory hallucinations. She's pretty good about distinguishing them from reality, but sometimes they are upsetting and in that case her fear does seem real.

    I agree with Greg - one doesn't need to sound like a raving lunatic to be having a psychotic break. I know a woman with schizophrenia and she seems very normal when she has auditory hallucinations. She's pretty good about distinguishing them from reality, but sometimes they are upsetting and in that case her fear does seem real.

  • Em

    Em Al

    If ya'll are going to talk so much about the surveillance videos, why not post the links?

    If ya'll are going to talk so much about the surveillance videos, why not post the links?

  • Jay

    Jay NY

    Sounds like she had undiagnosed schizophrenia which begins to manifest itself around her age and a bit earlier.

    Sounds like she had undiagnosed schizophrenia which begins to manifest itself around her age and a bit earlier.

  • Jenny

    Jenny KY

    Looks in that second video like she could be running because it just started raining (I could see some raindrops on the ground).

    Looks in that second video like she could be running because it just started raining (I could see some raindrops on the ground).

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    One thing I forgot to mention on the show is I find it strange that Kayelyn’s phone was left behind in the condo for 2 1/2 or 3 days before she reaches out to Kayelyn’s parents. Especially with the roommate telling Kayelyn she is acting strange or delusional. I did see somewhere that the roommate may have stayed the night somewhere on Saturday and this does seem to be the case. So under this scenario the roommate may not have been aware of anything until Sunday evening. It’s also possible that Kayelyn’s phone was in her room and the roommate did not venture in there. But wouldn’t it be very strange if... Carole knew 1. Kayelyn was acting strange 2. She saw the phone and Kayelyn’s purse left behind 3. Someone had to care for the dog for 3 days This seems like a lot going on to wait 3 days to notify her parents. Plus if she was aware of the phone being at the Condo Kayelyn’s mother said she tried calling several times - usually you can see the incoming caller without being able to access the phone. Weird stuff! NIC

    One thing I forgot to mention on the show is I find it strange that Kayelyn’s phone was left behind in the condo for 2 1/2 or 3 days before she reaches out to Kayelyn’s parents. Especially with the roommate telling Kayelyn she is acting strange or delusional. I did see somewhere that the roommate may have stayed the night somewhere on Saturday and this does seem to be the case. So under this scenario the roommate may not have been aware of anything until Sunday evening. It’s also possible that Kayelyn’s phone was in her room and the roommate did not venture in there. But wouldn’t it be very strange if...
    Carole knew
    1. Kayelyn was acting strange
    2. She saw the phone and Kayelyn’s purse left behind
    3. Someone had to care for the dog for 3 days
    This seems like a lot going on to wait 3 days to notify her parents. Plus if she was aware of the phone being at the Condo Kayelyn’s mother said she tried calling several times - usually you can see the incoming caller without being able to access the phone.
    Weird stuff! NIC

  • Bailey

    Bailey OH

    Greg is absolutely right. Someone can be experiencing a psychotic break w/ auditory hallucinations and still sound coherent. You don't have to be foaming at the mouth and speaking in tongues to be experiencing a break with reality. People experiencing these episodes don't necessarily lose their minds completely, they are just experiencing (hearing, tasting, seeing, feeling) things that are literally not present. Their responses to those perceived things can be completely normal, but it is the fact that they are experiencing something that is not real that marks the episode. This can also be said for how she acted outside. Just because she stopped to look for traffic doesn't mean she wasn't hearing things. You don't have to completely lose your mind to be experiencing a delusional break with reality. Unless her roommate was gaslighting her for some extremely nefarious, unknown situation - which seems completely unlikely, especially given Kayelyn's earlier calls to the police about separate issues that were also found to be unfounded - Kayelyn was clearly experiencing something that others in the same apartment did not. When Kayelyn says to her roommate "don't do that" after she says no one is there, it seemed to me like she was basically saying "don't say I am crazy," as though this was maybe not the first time she experienced things others didn't. The fact that there was indeed laughter and other noises present does NOT mean there were intruders, but perhaps those noises exacerbated the delusions that Kayelyn was having. The theory she was not of sound mind is further bolstered by the fact that she left her apartment with no SHOES or belongings. Just based off hearing her 911 call and not knowing anything about this case before I guessed she would be found dead in a body of water, because guess what... that happens all too often in tragic cases like this when people are not of sound mind are left to their own devices in a state of paranoia or a break from reality. Nic, I agree that would be strange if the roommate didn't say anything to the parents for 3 days if she had to care for the dog, but perhaps she was aware of some things about Kayelyn's life as her roommate, such as drug use, that made her more reluctant to spring into action and involve her parents. Maybe she thought Kayelyn was just having a bad high and that she'd be back in a few days when she leveled out and didn't want to get her family involved. There would have to be so many complicated factors that just don't seem present to suggest that she had anything to do with her disappearance. Sketchy that she didn't tell the family sooner? Yes. That makes her a bad friend, but not a murderer. Kayelyn was clearly experiencing a psychotic break - whether it was organic or induced by a substance that couldn't be detected by a toxicology report since her body had been submerged in water for several weeks. I think it's overwhelmingly likely she died in a tragic accident, but if she DID meet with foul play in the end, i would be all my money it was a crime of opportunity by someone who came across her while she was experiencing her psychotic break.

    Greg is absolutely right. Someone can be experiencing a psychotic break w/ auditory hallucinations and still sound coherent. You don't have to be foaming at the mouth and speaking in tongues to be experiencing a break with reality. People experiencing these episodes don't necessarily lose their minds completely, they are just experiencing (hearing, tasting, seeing, feeling) things that are literally not present. Their responses to those perceived things can be completely normal, but it is the fact that they are experiencing something that is not real that marks the episode. This can also be said for how she acted outside. Just because she stopped to look for traffic doesn't mean she wasn't hearing things. You don't have to completely lose your mind to be experiencing a delusional break with reality.

    Unless her roommate was gaslighting her for some extremely nefarious, unknown situation - which seems completely unlikely, especially given Kayelyn's earlier calls to the police about separate issues that were also found to be unfounded - Kayelyn was clearly experiencing something that others in the same apartment did not. When Kayelyn says to her roommate "don't do that" after she says no one is there, it seemed to me like she was basically saying "don't say I am crazy," as though this was maybe not the first time she experienced things others didn't. The fact that there was indeed laughter and other noises present does NOT mean there were intruders, but perhaps those noises exacerbated the delusions that Kayelyn was having. The theory she was not of sound mind is further bolstered by the fact that she left her apartment with no SHOES or belongings. Just based off hearing her 911 call and not knowing anything about this case before I guessed she would be found dead in a body of water, because guess what... that happens all too often in tragic cases like this when people are not of sound mind are left to their own devices in a state of paranoia or a break from reality.

    Nic, I agree that would be strange if the roommate didn't say anything to the parents for 3 days if she had to care for the dog, but perhaps she was aware of some things about Kayelyn's life as her roommate, such as drug use, that made her more reluctant to spring into action and involve her parents. Maybe she thought Kayelyn was just having a bad high and that she'd be back in a few days when she leveled out and didn't want to get her family involved. There would have to be so many complicated factors that just don't seem present to suggest that she had anything to do with her disappearance. Sketchy that she didn't tell the family sooner? Yes. That makes her a bad friend, but not a murderer.

    Kayelyn was clearly experiencing a psychotic break - whether it was organic or induced by a substance that couldn't be detected by a toxicology report since her body had been submerged in water for several weeks. I think it's overwhelmingly likely she died in a tragic accident, but if she DID meet with foul play in the end, i would be all my money it was a crime of opportunity by someone who came across her while she was experiencing her psychotic break.

  • Ryan

    Ryan va

    Draper has such a high sex offender ratio because it is a city of 42000 with a state prison. Sex offender registry has them all listed at the same address.

    Draper has such a high sex offender ratio because it is a city of 42000 with a state prison. Sex offender registry has them all listed at the same address.

  • Melissa

    Melissa

    Sounds like she is high and super paranoid on the 911 call about intruders

    Sounds like she is high and super paranoid on the 911 call about intruders

  • Ryan

    Ryan va

    The videos are out of order. Using the white plastic bag, the mini van and the red car the best timeline I can come up with is Video 5, then 4, then 2, then 3 (or 1), then 1 (or 3) and then 6. In 5 the mini van is there, no red car and the bag is dry. Then in 4 the mini van is there, no red car and the bag is dry and moves to the position it will stay in. In 2 the mini van is there, no red car, the bag is wet. Next in 3 the mini van is gone and she seems to come out looking like where did it go? the red car is there and the bag is wet. In 1 still no mini van the red car is there and the bag is wet. In 6 the mini van is still gone and the red car is returning. The bag is wet but not as wet as it was and it is still in the position it moved to in 4. I think this is later after things had dried up.

    The videos are out of order. Using the white plastic bag, the mini van and the red car the best timeline I can come up with is Video 5, then 4, then 2, then 3 (or 1), then 1 (or 3) and then 6. In 5 the mini van is there, no red car and the bag is dry. Then in 4 the mini van is there, no red car and the bag is dry and moves to the position it will stay in. In 2 the mini van is there, no red car, the bag is wet. Next in 3 the mini van is gone and she seems to come out looking like where did it go? the red car is there and the bag is wet. In 1 still no mini van the red car is there and the bag is wet. In 6 the mini van is still gone and the red car is returning. The bag is wet but not as wet as it was and it is still in the position it moved to in 4. I think this is later after things had dried up.

  • Shannon

    Shannon Dayton OH

    I had read that she was possibly on an antidepressant. I would be VERY curious to find out if this was true . Not because it would say she was depressed or anything along those lines , but because I know first hand what they can do to a person. My son has severe OCD. ( it is not what most people think it is , it has nothing to do with liking things clean) He has been put on several different SSRI’s . He was put on Zoloft and at first things seemed to be going fine. It was slightly helping his OCD, his doctor would up it a little every few months to get him to his correct dose. I started noticing he was irritable more often and after awhile he was flat out angry and aggressive. I had no idea what was happening to my quiet sweet child . One day he got physical and I knew something was absolutely not right and it just hit me that it seemed to coincide when we upped his medication. I never would have thought something that was supposed to make you happy would do the complete opposite. As we lowered his dose to put him on another one he became very paranoid. One day I gave him his medicine and he looked at me and asked me if I was poisoning him. This kid knows I would give up my life for him without a single thought, so the fact that he was questioning ME if I would hurt him was devastating. We have finally got him off that medication and onto another one and I have my child back . He never acted completely crazy. No one at a glance would know anything was wrong . His teachers didn’t notice much . But something was very very wrong . So I do wonder if she was having any medication issues that maybe only hit her now and then like with my son . I do think that there is a good chance she was having mental health issues and came upon someone that took advantage of that . I think that might be what happened in the Karlie Guse case as well.

    I had read that she was possibly on an antidepressant. I would be VERY curious to find out if this was true . Not because it would say she was depressed or anything along those lines , but because I know first hand what they can do to a person. My son has severe OCD. ( it is not what most people think it is , it has nothing to do with liking things clean) He has been put on several different SSRI’s . He was put on Zoloft and at first things seemed to be going fine. It was slightly helping his OCD, his doctor would up it a little every few months to get him to his correct dose. I started noticing he was irritable more often and after awhile he was flat out angry and aggressive. I had no idea what was happening to my quiet sweet child . One day he got physical and I knew something was absolutely not right and it just hit me that it seemed to coincide when we upped his medication. I never would have thought something that was supposed to make you happy would do the complete opposite. As we lowered his dose to put him on another one he became very paranoid. One day I gave him his medicine and he looked at me and asked me if I was poisoning him. This kid knows I would give up my life for him without a single thought, so the fact that he was questioning ME if I would hurt him was devastating. We have finally got him off that medication and onto another one and I have my child back . He never acted completely crazy. No one at a glance would know anything was wrong . His teachers didn’t notice much . But something was very very wrong . So I do wonder if she was having any medication issues that maybe only hit her now and then like with my son . I do think that there is a good chance she was having mental health issues and came upon someone that took advantage of that . I think that might be what happened in the Karlie Guse case as well.

  • Sarah

    Sarah

    So, this is a local case for me, and I wanted to say something. You talked a lot about how the weather didn't seem to be as bad as the reports claimed it was. Here's the thing: in the Salt Lake Valley, it doesn't take much rain to cause flash flooding, and the Jordan River does swell quite easily. Both of those things happen pretty regularly. It's also very common for us to get hard, torrential rain in shorter bursts, and then for the sun to come out 5 minutes later. The weather seems to have calmed down by the time she vanished that evening, but there was still water running through that parking lot, so it was still raining steadily. It's EASILY possible that earlier in the day, there was some extremely bad weather that only lasted for ~20 minutes to an hour before settling back into a lighter rain, and that's what people were remembering. Also, I've been trying to post this a few times now, so if this goes through multiple times, my apologies!

    So, this is a local case for me, and I wanted to say something. You talked a lot about how the weather didn't seem to be as bad as the reports claimed it was. Here's the thing: in the Salt Lake Valley, it doesn't take much rain to cause flash flooding, and the Jordan River does swell quite easily. Both of those things happen pretty regularly. It's also very common for us to get hard, torrential rain in shorter bursts, and then for the sun to come out 5 minutes later. The weather seems to have calmed down by the time she vanished that evening, but there was still water running through that parking lot, so it was still raining steadily. It's EASILY possible that earlier in the day, there was some extremely bad weather that only lasted for ~20 minutes to an hour before settling back into a lighter rain, and that's what people were remembering.

    Also, I've been trying to post this a few times now, so if this goes through multiple times, my apologies!

  • Keith

    Keith North Carolina

    Maybe she was in trouble with the wrong crowd and didn't disclose this with her loved ones. She also could have witnessed a crime take place and was targeted for that reason .

    Maybe she was in trouble with the wrong crowd and didn't disclose this with her loved ones. She also could have witnessed a crime take place and was targeted for that reason .

  • Jen

    Jen Utah

    Uh, guys? I love you and all, but sometimes you need to do better research. The reason there are so many registered sex offenders in Draper is because that's where the Utah State Prison is! They aren't out roaming the streets, they're behind bars.

    Uh, guys? I love you and all, but sometimes you need to do better research. The reason there are so many registered sex offenders in Draper is because that's where the Utah State Prison is! They aren't out roaming the streets, they're behind bars.

  • Taylor

    Taylor Nyc

    I can’t find footage of the other videos only the one of her running, anyone advise where they found the others if available?

    I can’t find footage of the other videos only the one of her running, anyone advise where they found the others if available?

  • Brooklyn

    Brooklyn UT - Utah

    I looked into this a little more. Not that this really is anything too important to her case, but looks like her twin brother died January this year. So sad for her parents. https://www.brownfamilymortuary.com/notices/Colton-Louder

    I looked into this a little more. Not that this really is anything too important to her case, but looks like her twin brother died January this year. So sad for her parents.
    https://www.brownfamilymortuary.com/notices/Colton-Louder

  • Trevor Fann

    Trevor Fann Parts Unknown

    The red car pulling in the parking garage looks to me like it is a 2 door Nissan Altima which was only in production from 2008-2014. While the maroon car on the left of the video look to be more of a 2005 Ford Focus. I definitely believe these are two different cars. The tail lights and the decal above the license plate are different. Also, the overall body shape of the red car is rounder/more streamlined while the red is more square, consistent with the 2005 Ford Focus. Would love to hear your thoughts.

    The red car pulling in the parking garage looks to me like it is a 2 door Nissan Altima which was only in production from 2008-2014. While the maroon car on the left of the video look to be more of a 2005 Ford Focus. I definitely believe these are two different cars. The tail lights and the decal above the license plate are different. Also, the overall body shape of the red car is rounder/more streamlined while the red is more square, consistent with the 2005 Ford Focus. Would love to hear your thoughts.

  • RACHEL

    RACHEL OH

    I have had a similar experience in my family to that of Shannon's . My mother too has OCD (along with some other issues) that she has been medicated for since I was a teenager. At one point, her anxiety, which triggers her obsessions and compulsions, became so bad that her phobias became real to the point of vividly visualizing them. As an example, she had always been afraid that she was going to murder us in our sleep, so before we went to bed as kids, we had to hide any and all "instruments of murder" (including curling irons?) while she locked herself in her room with a radio blaring so she couldn't hear where we were hiding these "weapons", because she was afraid she would go retrieve them and kill us. You can imagine how little sleep I got as a child. But anyway, one day she shared with her doctor that her fears were so strong that it was almost as of she could visualize our dead bodies being in our basement freezer, so she refused to even go down in the basement. So the doctor changed her medication to Zyprexa, from Prozac and Klonopin. She didn't like the way the zyprexa made her feel so she stopped taking it. Which sent her into a psychotic break. The story is much more detailed but I wont bore you all with it. But what ended up happening is I called the police chief of the small town we lived in because my mom was threatening to kill herself in front of me and my sisters. The chief came and got her and she spent a week on the psych floor. Or the nut hut as I have come to call it since my humor is how I cope :) Long winded point being......I agree that it didn't have to be illicit drugs in her system to cause these strange behaviors. And the way SSRI's and antipsychotics work is by gradually building on itself dose by dose until the levels in your brain are where they need to be at. Suddenly stopping them can cause just as much trouble or shock to your system as increasing doses. If she suddenly stopped them, within a few days she could be experiencing psychiatric symptoms. That combined with her body being in water could account for the toxicology report. Just my two cents and really long depressing story of my childhood lol

    I have had a similar experience in my family to that of Shannon's . My mother too has OCD (along with some other issues) that she has been medicated for since I was a teenager. At one point, her anxiety, which triggers her obsessions and compulsions, became so bad that her phobias became real to the point of vividly visualizing them. As an example, she had always been afraid that she was going to murder us in our sleep, so before we went to bed as kids, we had to hide any and all "instruments of murder" (including curling irons?) while she locked herself in her room with a radio blaring so she couldn't hear where we were hiding these "weapons", because she was afraid she would go retrieve them and kill us. You can imagine how little sleep I got as a child. But anyway, one day she shared with her doctor that her fears were so strong that it was almost as of she could visualize our dead bodies being in our basement freezer, so she refused to even go down in the basement. So the doctor changed her medication to Zyprexa, from Prozac and Klonopin. She didn't like the way the zyprexa made her feel so she stopped taking it. Which sent her into a psychotic break. The story is much more detailed but I wont bore you all with it. But what ended up happening is I called the police chief of the small town we lived in because my mom was threatening to kill herself in front of me and my sisters. The chief came and got her and she spent a week on the psych floor. Or the nut hut as I have come to call it since my humor is how I cope smile Long winded point being......I agree that it didn't have to be illicit drugs in her system to cause these strange behaviors. And the way SSRI's and antipsychotics work is by gradually building on itself dose by dose until the levels in your brain are where they need to be at. Suddenly stopping them can cause just as much trouble or shock to your system as increasing doses. If she suddenly stopped them, within a few days she could be experiencing psychiatric symptoms. That combined with her body being in water could account for the toxicology report. Just my two cents and really long depressing story of my childhood lol

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    We can't research everything - we are just two guys researching a new case every week. There are only so many hours in a day. That's what the Marco-polo call out is for. We send some good information out and people join in become engaged and get involved. Thank you Jen for pointing out the prison, makes sense. Cheers Nic

    We can't research everything - we are just two guys researching a new case every week. There are only so many hours in a day. That's what the Marco-polo call out is for. We send some good information out and people join in become engaged and get involved. Thank you Jen for pointing out the prison, makes sense.
    Cheers Nic

  • Ash

    Ash Parts Unknown

    I want to jump on the SSRI bandwagon. As someone who personally suffers from OCD/Anxiety, I have been on many different SSRIs and anti-anxiety meds trying to get things straight. I learned the hard way abruptly stopping medication can have nasty effects. Also, a drug that is working well can become a medication that is exacerbating symptoms with a tweak in dosage. If she was on any type of anti-depressant, then it is possible that an abrupt stoppage or mixing with alcohol or even a changed dosage could lead to a "psychotic break" with hallucinations. In my personal opinion what she is experiencing is REAL TO HER but doesn't seem to be actually happening based on the background audio and the roommate's reactions to her behavior. Having spent time with patients at a mental institution, I can say with the utmost certainty that someone experiencing a hallucination does not always seem "crazy." They often seem quite sane until you realize they're having a conversation with someone who is not there or notice they have cotton balls shoved down in their ears to stop the "other people" from talking to them. So the fact that her behavior does not seem odd or erratic to her family isn't all that surprising. Also, the fact that she is "making sense" to the 911 operator is not out of the realm of possibilities. Having a hallucination that someone is breaking into your home does not lead to believing that those people are aliens or any other "crazy" ideas. Now, that does not mean that someone could not have taken advantage of her in that state it just says it is just as likely she died as a result of some mishap due to her mental state as being murdered.

    I want to jump on the SSRI bandwagon. As someone who personally suffers from OCD/Anxiety, I have been on many different SSRIs and anti-anxiety meds trying to get things straight. I learned the hard way abruptly stopping medication can have nasty effects. Also, a drug that is working well can become a medication that is exacerbating symptoms with a tweak in dosage. If she was on any type of anti-depressant, then it is possible that an abrupt stoppage or mixing with alcohol or even a changed dosage could lead to a "psychotic break" with hallucinations. In my personal opinion what she is experiencing is REAL TO HER but doesn't seem to be actually happening based on the background audio and the roommate's reactions to her behavior.

    Having spent time with patients at a mental institution, I can say with the utmost certainty that someone experiencing a hallucination does not always seem "crazy." They often seem quite sane until you realize they're having a conversation with someone who is not there or notice they have cotton balls shoved down in their ears to stop the "other people" from talking to them. So the fact that her behavior does not seem odd or erratic to her family isn't all that surprising. Also, the fact that she is "making sense" to the 911 operator is not out of the realm of possibilities. Having a hallucination that someone is breaking into your home does not lead to believing that those people are aliens or any other "crazy" ideas. Now, that does not mean that someone could not have taken advantage of her in that state it just says it is just as likely she died as a result of some mishap due to her mental state as being murdered.

  • Meaghan

    Meaghan UT

    The Draper Sex Offender List is so high, because the Prison is in Draper as is Half Way Housing and Pre Release Centers

    The Draper Sex Offender List is so high, because the Prison is in Draper as is Half Way Housing and Pre Release Centers

  • Nicole

    Nicole Miami, FL

    As others have mentioned, just because someone is making sense doesn't mean they're not experiencing hallucinations (auditory or visual). I've been in the presence of a person who was in the middle of a hallucination and she was able to describe exactly what she was hearing and seeing even though the rest of us in the room couldn't. So that alone doesn't rule out that theory.

    As others have mentioned, just because someone is making sense doesn't mean they're not experiencing hallucinations (auditory or visual). I've been in the presence of a person who was in the middle of a hallucination and she was able to describe exactly what she was hearing and seeing even though the rest of us in the room couldn't. So that alone doesn't rule out that theory.

  • Jen

    Jen Utah

    yeah? how about trying to do a better job? or too busy sucking each other off???

    yeah? how about trying to do a better job? or too busy sucking each other off???

  • Mia

    Mia MD

    Ryan is right, there's a youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/kayeloud The last video, "Windsies in the shire," shows her balcony and her cat, apparently named Carol. And on the 911 call, although she's obviously talking to another human, the tone when she says "Stop it, Carol!" is the way you'd talk to a cat who is doing something dumb, as I know from experience. So do we even know the roommate's name? Weird for the roommate and the cat to share a name.

    Ryan is right, there's a youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/kayeloud

    The last video, "Windsies in the shire," shows her balcony and her cat, apparently named Carol.

    And on the 911 call, although she's obviously talking to another human, the tone when she says "Stop it, Carol!" is the way you'd talk to a cat who is doing something dumb, as I know from experience.

    So do we even know the roommate's name? Weird for the roommate and the cat to share a name.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Jen - find another show to bother with your necessary comments. We are human, we make mistakes. Return to your perfect world, you won't be missed. By the way - I want to point out that I thanked you for comment and then you attacked me. Clearly you have something else going on. - Nic

    Jen - find another show to bother with your necessary comments. We are human, we make mistakes. Return to your perfect world, you won't be missed.
    By the way - I want to point out that I thanked you for comment and then you attacked me. Clearly you have something else going on.
    - Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    I still think the roommate's name is likely Carole but I'm not 100%. When we where reporting about the 911 calls I found a news article that transcribed portions of the third call. They assigned a name for all three persons speaking during the call - Kayelyn, 911 Operator and Carole Cheers Nic

    I still think the roommate's name is likely Carole but I'm not 100%. When we where reporting about the 911 calls I found a news article that transcribed portions of the third call. They assigned a name for all three persons speaking during the call - Kayelyn, 911 Operator and Carole
    Cheers Nic

  • Trisha

    Trisha Mississippi

    Wow, some people are just rude. Ya'll do a great job! Still my favorite podcast!

    Wow, some people are just rude. Ya'll do a great job! Still my favorite podcast!

  • Bobby

    Bobby Virginia

    WOW! You guys continue to amaze; great episodes once again. A couple opinions based on my observations first, then I want to point out what I think the correct series of the surveillance videos are. And for everyone continuously asking where the videos are, they are posted to main page of this Site (all 6 videos are there). Was Kayelyn delusional on the 911 calls or on the surveillance videos? My opinion is not at all. During the 911 calls she answers every question clearly and without hesitation. She is genuinely afraid that someone is in her home. We've all had instances where we freak ourselves out, whether there is a real threat or not, but once the paranoia sets in it is hard to convince yourself that there is nothing to fear. This is what seems to be happening to Kayelyn on the 911 calls. Concerning her behavior on the surveillance videos she is just talking to her dog trying to get her to hurry up with "her business." Again, she is not acting any differently than anyone else would walking their dog. The correct sequence of the surveillance videos: First, these cameras are not set to record just motion detection. We are only seeing what has been released, meaning there are gaps in the full video because likely nothing was happening of importance (i.e., the mini-van pulling in and out, other random people coming and going). Second, the tapes may not even be that significant in telling the story of what happened to Kayelyn. We can assume that she at least got close enough to her apartment door after these tapes to let her dog back in. Third, the "maroon" car and the "red" car are the same car. We only see a small part of the car when it is parked in the middle of the parking lot and it is near the trees, which makes it look maroon. I think Nic made this point too. Order of the surveillance videos: Video 5: We see Kayelyn's roommate walking out from behind the concrete structure. She was likely just talking to Kayelyn and maybe they even agreed to go out for some food or something. We then see the roommate walk into her garage to likely get her car (the red car that we do not see in the video at this point). Video 4: Kayelyn is visible waiting for her dog to do her business. The roommate is still getting her car from the garage she walked into, hence there is no red car on the left of the screen yet. Video 1: The roommate has moved her car from the garage and is parked in the middle of the parking lot waiting for Kayelyn to finish walking the dog. We then see Kayelyn go behind the concrete structure; likely to get the dog. Video 3: We now see Kayelyn carrying her dog from behind the concrete structure, sitting her on the ground, and encouraging her to hurry up. We also see Kayelyn glance and even talk in the direction of the red car (the roommate), likely laughing about how long the dog is taking to do her business. Video 2: This is where we see Kayelyn jog out from behind the concrete structure and we notice that the red car (roommate) is gone. She likely heard the roommate leaving and was running out to get to her to wait just one more second. Video 6: We see the roommate returning from wherever she went and parking her red car back in the garage. My Theories: Theory 1: Kayelyn did in fact fall into the creek and hit her head, either killing her or knocking her out... she then floats into the river and, if not already dead, drowns. She is then found miles down river. Flash floods happen immediately and then the weather appears fine. This doesn't mean that the water in creeks and rivers instantly returns to normal. That creek, after a flash flood, would have been deeper and swifter than one would assume. Theory 2: Do we know what clothes were found on or with Kayelyn? Was it the same shorts and shirt seen in the surveillance videos or do the clothes show that she had changed and went back out. If so, maybe she met with foul play later and was dumped in the river.

    WOW! You guys continue to amaze; great episodes once again. A couple opinions based on my observations first, then I want to point out what I think the correct series of the surveillance videos are. And for everyone continuously asking where the videos are, they are posted to main page of this Site (all 6 videos are there).

    Was Kayelyn delusional on the 911 calls or on the surveillance videos? My opinion is not at all. During the 911 calls she answers every question clearly and without hesitation. She is genuinely afraid that someone is in her home. We've all had instances where we freak ourselves out, whether there is a real threat or not, but once the paranoia sets in it is hard to convince yourself that there is nothing to fear. This is what seems to be happening to Kayelyn on the 911 calls. Concerning her behavior on the surveillance videos she is just talking to her dog trying to get her to hurry up with "her business." Again, she is not acting any differently than anyone else would walking their dog.

    The correct sequence of the surveillance videos: First, these cameras are not set to record just motion detection. We are only seeing what has been released, meaning there are gaps in the full video because likely nothing was happening of importance (i.e., the mini-van pulling in and out, other random people coming and going).

    Second, the tapes may not even be that significant in telling the story of what happened to Kayelyn. We can assume that she at least got close enough to her apartment door after these tapes to let her dog back in.

    Third, the "maroon" car and the "red" car are the same car. We only see a small part of the car when it is parked in the middle of the parking lot and it is near the trees, which makes it look maroon. I think Nic made this point too.

    Order of the surveillance videos:
    Video 5: We see Kayelyn's roommate walking out from behind the concrete structure. She was likely just talking to Kayelyn and maybe they even agreed to go out for some food or something. We then see the roommate walk into her garage to likely get her car (the red car that we do not see in the video at this point).

    Video 4: Kayelyn is visible waiting for her dog to do her business. The roommate is still getting her car from the garage she walked into, hence there is no red car on the left of the screen yet.

    Video 1: The roommate has moved her car from the garage and is parked in the middle of the parking lot waiting for Kayelyn to finish walking the dog. We then see Kayelyn go behind the concrete structure; likely to get the dog.

    Video 3: We now see Kayelyn carrying her dog from behind the concrete structure, sitting her on the ground, and encouraging her to hurry up. We also see Kayelyn glance and even talk in the direction of the red car (the roommate), likely laughing about how long the dog is taking to do her business.

    Video 2: This is where we see Kayelyn jog out from behind the concrete structure and we notice that the red car (roommate) is gone. She likely heard the roommate leaving and was running out to get to her to wait just one more second.

    Video 6: We see the roommate returning from wherever she went and parking her red car back in the garage.

    My Theories:
    Theory 1: Kayelyn did in fact fall into the creek and hit her head, either killing her or knocking her out... she then floats into the river and, if not already dead, drowns. She is then found miles down river. Flash floods happen immediately and then the weather appears fine. This doesn't mean that the water in creeks and rivers instantly returns to normal. That creek, after a flash flood, would have been deeper and swifter than one would assume.

    Theory 2: Do we know what clothes were found on or with Kayelyn? Was it the same shorts and shirt seen in the surveillance videos or do the clothes show that she had changed and went back out. If so, maybe she met with foul play later and was dumped in the river.

  • Jacinta

    Jacinta Australia

    Where was her dog left? Outside in the rain or inside the apartment?

    Where was her dog left? Outside in the rain or inside the apartment?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    We can’t say for certain but inside the condo would make the most sense as nothing was reported to be strange with the dog by either the roommate or Kayelyn’s parents other than Kayelyn left without her. Cheers Nic

    We can’t say for certain but inside the condo would make the most sense as nothing was reported to be strange with the dog by either the roommate or Kayelyn’s parents other than Kayelyn left without her.
    Cheers Nic

  • Phaedra

    Phaedra Ottawa

    Just wondering if the dog saw a squirrel and she was chasing after it. Re phone call maybe they both realized oh crap it was nothing laughed and tried to crabwalk off the 911 call?

    Just wondering if the dog saw a squirrel and she was chasing after it. Re phone call maybe they both realized oh crap it was nothing laughed and tried to crabwalk off the 911 call?

  • Phaedra

    Phaedra Ottawa

    Another thought. Even if no one was there it may have been her perception that there was. That’s not delusional maybe just some scared. Love love your show.

    Another thought. Even if no one was there it may have been her perception that there was. That’s not delusional maybe just some scared.

    Love love your show.

  • Mark

    Mark NM

    The telling of this story was incoherent and all over the place. You need to start outlining your podcast and check off essentials. Then you can engage in nonsensical speculation not based in any fact. And for the record, it can rain like hell on Saturday and still have many hours of that day in which it was not raining. This should not be a difficult concept to understand.

    The telling of this story was incoherent and all over the place. You need to start outlining your podcast and check off essentials. Then you can engage in nonsensical speculation not based in any fact. And for the record, it can rain like hell on Saturday and still have many hours of that day in which it was not raining. This should not be a difficult concept to understand.

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous ON, Canada

    I agree with the commenters who are saying she was having paranoid delusions - the way she sounds on the 911 call to me is consistent with that. This is strengthened by the family history and recent incident with her brother that would have created stress. I don't think she fell in the river - I think she went there trying to escape something that wasn't actually there. Mental illness isn't what you portrayed it to be in this episode - it's a normal reaction to an abnormal brain process and it's not always easy to spot. Very sad story and emphasizes the need for us all to be alert to potential mental illness in those around us.

    I agree with the commenters who are saying she was having paranoid delusions - the way she sounds on the 911 call to me is consistent with that. This is strengthened by the family history and recent incident with her brother that would have created stress. I don't think she fell in the river - I think she went there trying to escape something that wasn't actually there. Mental illness isn't what you portrayed it to be in this episode - it's a normal reaction to an abnormal brain process and it's not always easy to spot. Very sad story and emphasizes the need for us all to be alert to potential mental illness in those around us.

  • Jess Wilson

    Jess Wilson

    I would be interested to whether or not Kaelyn had a community style mailbox where she lived. The fact that she seemed to have left so abruptly, without really putting any forethought into it... yet still had her keys... I wonder if maybe she was just checking her mail. I know that when I lived in an apartment complex, and had a community style mailbox, it sounds pretty similar to the circumstances by which Kaelyn went missing... every time I checked my mail, I had to take my keys, in order to access the box, and would usually walk, as it's just generally healthy to do so. If the parking lot was as sketchy as you guys say it was, she could have very easily just been snatched. This could also explain the reason she still had her keys.

    I would be interested to whether or not Kaelyn had a community style mailbox where she lived. The fact that she seemed to have left so abruptly, without really putting any forethought into it... yet still had her keys... I wonder if maybe she was just checking her mail. I know that when I lived in an apartment complex, and had a community style mailbox, it sounds pretty similar to the circumstances by which Kaelyn went missing... every time I checked my mail, I had to take my keys, in order to access the box, and would usually walk, as it's just generally healthy to do so. If the parking lot was as sketchy as you guys say it was, she could have very easily just been snatched. This could also explain the reason she still had her keys.

  • Sarah

    Sarah Minnesota

    The roommate looking into the blue car I just her checking herself out in the reflection. I do it all the time.

    The roommate looking into the blue car I just her checking herself out in the reflection. I do it all the time.

  • Seth

    Seth New Paris, OH

    I do not think that Kayelyn had a break with reality. I think she could sense a threat but couldnt quite put her finger on it, hence the 911 calls. I believe that through her work and through her brother, she was exposed to "risky" individuals. I would like to know if they looked at any of her social work cases. Were there any unusual interactions with people? Anyone that seemed a bit too attached? Did she report any odd interactions or aggressive individuals among her cases? Additionally, as a drug user, is it possible that her brother exposed her to danger? Did he have access to a key to her apartment that someone could get their hands on? Did she ever loan her brother money or deal with anyone for him to try to help him out? I get the impression this was a caring person who was preyed apon as she was trying to help others, whether that be one of her cases or fell victim to someone as she tried to help her brother. And due to the water, we will probably never know...

    I do not think that Kayelyn had a break with reality. I think she could sense a threat but couldnt quite put her finger on it, hence the 911 calls.

    I believe that through her work and through her brother, she was exposed to "risky" individuals. I would like to know if they looked at any of her social work cases. Were there any unusual interactions with people? Anyone that seemed a bit too attached? Did she report any odd interactions or aggressive individuals among her cases? Additionally, as a drug user, is it possible that her brother exposed her to danger? Did he have access to a key to her apartment that someone could get their hands on? Did she ever loan her brother money or deal with anyone for him to try to help him out?

    I get the impression this was a caring person who was preyed apon as she was trying to help others, whether that be one of her cases or fell victim to someone as she tried to help her brother. And due to the water, we will probably never know...

  • Nick Moeller

    Nick Moeller

    Notes from the call The Cptn. mentions that the roommate is trying to come up with logical explanations mentioning the key and someone being in the apartment. The roommate throughout the entire call is telling Kayelyn that it's not possible for someone to be in the apartment. She tells Kayleyn the door is still locked Kayelyn then mentions well maybe they have a key or something. The roommate says that no one knows about the hide-a-key it's impossible. Kayelyn says she actually took the hide-a-key and had it on her person. Roommate "Why is the door still locked" Kayelyn "Well I can't explain that" The roommate later continues to tell Kayelyn that it is not possible. The roommate also tells Kayelyn there is a clock in the bathroom that ticks and makes noise. Throughout the call the roommate seems annoyed and/or concerned about Kayelyn thinking there was someone in the apartment. A person can have hallucinations, but still be able to recall real facts about their life as well . The point that she is speaking coherently doesn't mean that she was not having a mental breakdown of some sort, she could still have the ability to know where the entrance to her apartment is. The points that she was able to speak to the operator in a coherent fashion has no bearing on the possibility of hallucinations. (My wife is a psychologist)

    Notes from the call

    The Cptn. mentions that the roommate is trying to come up with logical explanations mentioning the key and someone being in the apartment.

    The roommate throughout the entire call is telling Kayelyn that it's not possible for someone to be in the apartment. She tells Kayleyn the door is still locked Kayelyn then mentions well maybe they have a key or something.

    The roommate says that no one knows about the hide-a-key it's impossible. Kayelyn says she actually took the hide-a-key and had it on her person.

    Roommate "Why is the door still locked"
    Kayelyn "Well I can't explain that"

    The roommate later continues to tell Kayelyn that it is not possible.

    The roommate also tells Kayelyn there is a clock in the bathroom that ticks and makes noise.

    Throughout the call the roommate seems annoyed and/or concerned about Kayelyn thinking there was someone in the apartment.

    A person can have hallucinations, but still be able to recall real facts about their life as well . The point that she is speaking coherently doesn't mean that she was not having a mental breakdown of some sort, she could still have the ability to know where the entrance to her apartment is. The points that she was able to speak to the operator in a coherent fashion has no bearing on the possibility of hallucinations. (My wife is a psychologist)

  • Kechia

    Kechia Jacksonville

    Hey guys!! I’m having serious issues trying to listen to the podcast on Apple or any other podcast platform and I cannot even get stitcher to open. Is anyone else having this issue?

    Hey guys!! I’m having serious issues trying to listen to the podcast on Apple or any other podcast platform and I cannot even get stitcher to open. Is anyone else having this issue?

  • Diana

    Diana NYC

    I think if we look at that white plastic bag flying around we can have a better idea of the order of the videos.

    I think if we look at that white plastic bag flying around we can have a better idea of the order of the videos.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Kechia - it may be your device. No one else has mentioned this. Good luck! Nic

    Kechia - it may be your device. No one else has mentioned this. Good luck!
    Nic

  • Kechia

    Kechia Jacksonville

    No need to be so flippant ya fat turd

    No need to be so flippant ya fat turd

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Sorry - I was trying to help. I think this is an issue - typing messages - we don't get to hear tone. I'm happy to help in any way - I'm hoping whatever the issue was that its resolved. Cheers Nic

    Sorry - I was trying to help. I think this is an issue - typing messages - we don't get to hear tone.
    I'm happy to help in any way - I'm hoping whatever the issue was that its resolved.
    Cheers Nic

  • Melenda

    Melenda Reno

    Hi! I noticed that Kayelyn's twin brother Colton died in January of 2019 in jail. Does anyone know how he died? If he committed suicide, he might have suffered from mental health issues?

    Hi! I noticed that Kayelyn's twin brother Colton died in January of 2019 in jail. Does anyone know how he died? If he committed suicide, he might have suffered from mental health issues?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    We could not find the cause of death. Anyone that may know please post or leave us a link. It's so sad how much this family has been through. - Nic

    We could not find the cause of death. Anyone that may know please post or leave us a link.
    It's so sad how much this family has been through.
    - Nic

  • Nicole

    Nicole Miami, FL

    Kechia: No reason to be so rude! Wow... Nic, don't even bother allowing posts like hers to go through your moderation. I notice all posts have to be approved before they're seen, Keep up the great work, guys! I love hearing your podcasts and at some point, I plan to pitch in some beer money. Cheers!

    Kechia: No reason to be so rude! Wow...

    Nic, don't even bother allowing posts like hers to go through your moderation. I notice all posts have to be approved before they're seen,

    Keep up the great work, guys! I love hearing your podcasts and at some point, I plan to pitch in some beer money. Cheers!

  • Aspen

    Aspen NH

    No one is correct 100% of the time. You guys do a great job, tell many stories and give voices to many victims, and a mistake every once in a while is completely normal. I come here to read intelligent theories, questions and comments from other true crim fans amd am disappointed to see that a lot of posting by incoherent trolls has been going on. Keep up the good work, guys.

    No one is correct 100% of the time. You guys do a great job, tell many stories and give voices to many victims, and a mistake every once in a while is completely normal. I come here to read intelligent theories, questions and comments from other true crim fans amd am disappointed to see that a lot of posting by incoherent trolls has been going on. Keep up the good work, guys.

  • James

    James NC

    I agree with Lenny. It's possible that the roommate had some shady people over and snuck them out when she heard the victim had called the police. Then proceeded with gaslighting. I have done this many times with my parents when I was young.

    I agree with Lenny. It's possible that the roommate had some shady people over and snuck them out when she heard the victim had called the police. Then proceeded with gaslighting. I have done this many times with my parents when I was young.

  • Piper

    Piper

    Local here. Living close to and being very familiar with the Jordan River, it is not a river a sober, mentally sound adult dies in. The longstanding (and somewhat accurate) "joke" is the Jordan River is where you go to dump a body (its a long river running along the urban Salt Lake City corridor, sadly, a relatively easy place to get rid of a body). Given her somewhat strange behavior leading up to her disappearance and her age, my mind automatically goes to schizophrenia that was just starting to show symptoms. Could explain why she may have wondered into the nearby creek or even all the way to the Jordan River. Although to Nic's point, it is a populated area, just south of Salt Lake City and chances are good someone would have taken note of a woman in a tank top, shorts and no shoes wandering down the street during or just after a rain storm. How she got into the river, will always remain a mystery to me. Update: just in case The Garage missed it: the woman you mentioned in this episode, Jerika Binks, just last week her remains were found in a ravine in a nearby canyon. No foul play is suspected. Keep doing what you're doing and thanks for letting us comment on the cases.

    Local here. Living close to and being very familiar with the Jordan River, it is not a river a sober, mentally sound adult dies in. The longstanding (and somewhat accurate) "joke" is the Jordan River is where you go to dump a body (its a long river running along the urban Salt Lake City corridor, sadly, a relatively easy place to get rid of a body).

    Given her somewhat strange behavior leading up to her disappearance and her age, my mind automatically goes to schizophrenia that was just starting to show symptoms. Could explain why she may have wondered into the nearby creek or even all the way to the Jordan River. Although to Nic's point, it is a populated area, just south of Salt Lake City and chances are good someone would have taken note of a woman in a tank top, shorts and no shoes wandering down the street during or just after a rain storm. How she got into the river, will always remain a mystery to me.

    Update: just in case The Garage missed it: the woman you mentioned in this episode, Jerika Binks, just last week her remains were found in a ravine in a nearby canyon. No foul play is suspected.

    Keep doing what you're doing and thanks for letting us comment on the cases.

  • Rae Dezell Trahan

    Rae Dezell Trahan

    I remember seeing this story on the news. I hope someday someone can shed some light as to what led up to Kayelyn's person ending up in the Jordan River. My heart goes out to the Louder family and friends. Draper is considered one of the nicer areas in Salt Lake, BUT it is definitely the current location of the state prison, so maybe that is where the high count comes from. There is an update on the other mentioned missing woman in this podcast. A week ago, human remains were found in American Fork Canyon and have been identified as those of Jerika Binks. https://ksltv.com/412078/human-remains-identified-jerika-binks/

    I remember seeing this story on the news. I hope someday someone can shed some light as to what led up to Kayelyn's person ending up in the Jordan River. My heart goes out to the Louder family and friends.

    Draper is considered one of the nicer areas in Salt Lake, BUT it is definitely the current location of the state prison, so maybe that is where the high count comes from.

    There is an update on the other mentioned missing woman in this podcast. A week ago, human remains were found in American Fork Canyon and have been identified as those of Jerika Binks. https://ksltv.com/412078/human-remains-identified-jerika-binks/

  • Taylor

    Taylor TX

    I am late to the party on this but I found that her twin brother actually murdered their uncle Jeffery Ackerman. He was on meth and was put in prison several times.

    I am late to the party on this but I found that her twin brother actually murdered their uncle Jeffery Ackerman. He was on meth and was put in prison several times.

  • Summer

    Summer

    Yeah I agree w/ Greg. I think she had a psychotic break. I assume it's confirmed she didn't come back home after running away barefoot? Three 911 calls in 12hrs.. no sign of burglary or break-in.. roommate was in the apartment when alleged burglary took place and she did not seem at all concerned.. seemed scared when she made her first 911 call, but why if she was safe in her home? [and no guns were found when police showed up].. I dunno, I just don't think she was murdered. She had a lot going on in her life w/ her job and family. I would like to know more about the roommate. I don't think the roommate was messing w/ her, but I know nothing about her. I feel like this is more along the lines of an Elisa Lam scenario. Mental illness :(

    Yeah I agree w/ Greg. I think she had a psychotic break. I assume it's confirmed she didn't come back home after running away barefoot?

    Three 911 calls in 12hrs.. no sign of burglary or break-in.. roommate was in the apartment when alleged burglary took place and she did not seem at all concerned.. seemed scared when she made her first 911 call, but why if she was safe in her home? [and no guns were found when police showed up]..

    I dunno, I just don't think she was murdered. She had a lot going on in her life w/ her job and family. I would like to know more about the roommate. I don't think the roommate was messing w/ her, but I know nothing about her. I feel like this is more along the lines of an Elisa Lam scenario. Mental illness frown

  • Sonya

    Sonya Sacramento

    I would think that her dog would bark if there was indeed an intruder.

    I would think that her dog would bark if there was indeed an intruder.

  • Stephanie

    Stephanie Cottonwood, Utah

    Love your show! I live in between Murray and Draper. I've not heard of this case but I just wanted to comment that anywhere you drive in Utah, it takes a half an hour to get there hahaha Anyway you guys are awesome and don't change a thing! I appreciate all your hard work and the way you present these cases!

    Love your show! I live in between Murray and Draper. I've not heard of this case but I just wanted to comment that anywhere you drive in Utah, it takes a half an hour to get there hahaha Anyway you guys are awesome and don't change a thing! I appreciate all your hard work and the way you present these cases!

  • Hanna

    Hanna Ohio

    This girl is CLEARLY on meth! My brother is a meth head and always thinks there people outside of his window and or in his house...this is dead on a meth paranoid reaction! Meth is what's wrong with her 100%

    This girl is CLEARLY on meth! My brother is a meth head and always thinks there people outside of his window and or in his house...this is dead on a meth paranoid reaction! Meth is what's wrong with her 100%

  • Jaya

    Jaya Maryland

    A news documentary on Kayelyn’s mysterious death stated that the family waited 4 months for her autopsy results and the toxicology report was negative... no meth, cocaine, opiates, etc. It didn't mention any tests done on her body for the presence of anti-depressants. But after 2 months in the water, what drugs would still show up? Nevertheless, it does seem this poor young woman was experiencing something hallucinatory and very disturbing. The roommate's reaction to Kayelyn’s complaints about intruders sounds like she is exasperated with her and trying to "talk her down from an imaginary ledge," as if it's not the first time. It doesn't seem as though the roommate had done anything nefarious to her.

    A news documentary on Kayelyn’s mysterious death stated that the family waited 4 months for her autopsy results and the toxicology report was negative... no meth, cocaine, opiates, etc. It didn't mention any tests done on her body for the presence of anti-depressants. But after 2 months in the water, what drugs would still show up? Nevertheless, it does seem this poor young woman was experiencing something hallucinatory and very disturbing. The roommate's reaction to Kayelyn’s complaints about intruders sounds like she is exasperated with her and trying to "talk her down from an imaginary ledge," as if it's not the first time. It doesn't seem as though the roommate had done anything nefarious to her.

  • Allison

    Allison LA

    I can't understand why so many are talking about this so called "psychotic break". If she was on meds for mental illness or had a history with it I'm certain her family would've made mention. The police would've made mention of this as well because it would've made more sense. Also, her brother had druginduced mental issues. Nothing has been mentioned of a history of mental illness. I really think this woman was murdered and her body was so decomposed from being in the water that they can't make a determination of the cause of death. This is not uncommon. This is why a lot of premeditated murderers put their victims in water. It makes it almost impossible to collect DNA, fingerprints, and even cause of death. These comments are so frustrating to read because it's like this woman is being diagnosed by armchair detectives because of personal experiences. This was a real person and there's little to no evidence she was mentally ill. Great job on the show guys, keep it up.

    I can't understand why so many are talking about this so called "psychotic break". If she was on meds for mental illness or had a history with it I'm certain her family would've made mention. The police would've made mention of this as well because it would've made more sense. Also, her brother had druginduced mental issues. Nothing has been mentioned of a history of mental illness.
    I really think this woman was murdered and her body was so decomposed from being in the water that they can't make a determination of the cause of death. This is not uncommon. This is why a lot of premeditated murderers put their victims in water. It makes it almost impossible to collect DNA, fingerprints, and even cause of death.
    These comments are so frustrating to read because it's like this woman is being diagnosed by armchair detectives because of personal experiences. This was a real person and there's little to no evidence she was mentally ill.
    Great job on the show guys, keep it up.

  • Sharon

    Sharon IN

    She sounds like a drug addict. I hate to assume but she lost her job and obviously is generically pre dispositioned for addictive behaviors. Most likely suicide rather than foul play. Sad

    She sounds like a drug addict. I hate to assume but she lost her job and obviously is generically pre dispositioned for addictive behaviors. Most likely suicide rather than foul play. Sad

  • Nia

    Nia ohio

    The 1st 911 calls are available... I found them online quite easily, in search of the surveillance videos

    The 1st 911 calls are available... I found them online quite easily, in search of the surveillance videos

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thanks Nia - can you post a link for everyone to listen? Cheers Nic

    Thanks Nia - can you post a link for everyone to listen?
    Cheers Nic

  • Rick Mason

    Rick Mason

    Great podcast, guys. I don’t have any theories, but wondering what is that huge structure in the middle of the parking lot? Concrete? A big rock?

    Great podcast, guys. I don’t have any theories, but wondering what is that huge structure in the middle of the parking lot? Concrete? A big rock?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Its supposed to resemble a large rock type structure. It's a mound of dirt that they poured concrete on. Nic

    Its supposed to resemble a large rock type structure. It's a mound of dirt that they poured concrete on.
    Nic

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