Logan Schiendelman ////// 454

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  • Shay
    Shay Bronx, New York
    My question is: Did the witness who seen the two Caucasian men with the black man see one car or two cars? If she only seen the one car, than that’s rather odd for two men to be randomly on the highway like that.

    My question is:

    Did the witness who seen the two Caucasian men with the black man see one car or two cars?

    If she only seen the one car, than that’s rather odd for two men to be randomly on the highway like that.

  • Christie Groves
    Christie Groves Seattle, Washington
    Just to clear a couple things up, that I know, the man who saw the person jump out of the car on the passenger side, was described as a white male with reddish/brown hair but, he could also be black (which I could totally see in some other photos where his hair/Logans could be reddish). Second the guy in the jeans in a crop top, he was actually wearing jean shorts that were too short, to make it worse, they were described as Daisy Dukes, (I know where this error comes from short jeans so I will contact that site and get it fixed) of course, this just sounds wrong so could this be an ugly woman in a crop top and Daisy Duke jean shorts. Then again if these are men with bad fashion sense, and possibly on drugs because they are in that area, then you might not care what you wear. I personally believe he is in the bushes/trees there and had a psychotic break. I continue to look in Seattle for him as he is a nice looking young man and would stand out to me in a sea of caucasians up here. I do feel like the couple on the side of the road could be good doers just helping someone broke down, and honestly how threatening is a dude in Daisy Dukes. I also know that the sisters boyfriend, had Police training and that he had Police friends thus why the family or Uncle at least believes he had something to do with it, but for me, there is just too much chaos on the street with the car for all that. I hope Logan is found someday, brought home, laid to rest, and if he is out there rebooting his life as a new person that he has found Peace and is Happy.

    Just to clear a couple things up, that I know, the man who saw the person jump out of the car on the passenger side, was described as a white male with reddish/brown hair but, he could also be black (which I could totally see in some other photos where his hair/Logans could be reddish). Second the guy in the jeans in a crop top, he was actually wearing jean shorts that were too short, to make it worse, they were described as Daisy Dukes, (I know where this error comes from short jeans so I will contact that site and get it fixed) of course, this just sounds wrong so could this be an ugly woman in a crop top and Daisy Duke jean shorts. Then again if these are men with bad fashion sense, and possibly on drugs because they are in that area, then you might not care what you wear. I personally believe he is in the bushes/trees there and had a psychotic break. I continue to look in Seattle for him as he is a nice looking young man and would stand out to me in a sea of caucasians up here. I do feel like the couple on the side of the road could be good doers just helping someone broke down, and honestly how threatening is a dude in Daisy Dukes. I also know that the sisters boyfriend, had Police training and that he had Police friends thus why the family or Uncle at least believes he had something to do with it, but for me, there is just too much chaos on the street with the car for all that. I hope Logan is found someday, brought home, laid to rest, and if he is out there rebooting his life as a new person that he has found Peace and is Happy.

  • Jeff
    Jeff DE
    Jake from allstate ?????? Maybe state farm

    Jake from allstate ?????? Maybe state farm

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    - Yes state farm - Not sure why but Jake from All-State seems to roll off the tongue better. Regardless he does look goo din the khakis. Cheers Nic

    - Yes state farm - Not sure why but Jake from All-State seems to roll off the tongue better. Regardless he does look goo din the khakis.
    Cheers Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Shay - all reports I have seen say the only car spotted was believed to be Logan's according to the eyewitness - Nic from state farm

    @ Shay - all reports I have seen say the only car spotted was believed to be Logan's according to the eyewitness
    - Nic from state farm

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Christie Yes, I suspect the daisy duke person code be female or a companion to the long blond-haired male. They could be do-gooders. I think the drug problem in the area could have something to do with their appearance and why they have not come forward to police if they spoke with Logan and attempted to help. Heck, they may not remember for any number of reasons. Could Logan have picked them up and tried to help them - give them a lift? If we would have known a better time frame for when he went missing and it was reported sooner LE could have tried pulling camera footage from businesses at the south and north exits or anywhere that makes sense looking for his car or even better Logan. The troubling thing here is because of all of the items found in his vehicle - no one should suspect that he ran into some kind of car trouble and then left on foot and then something happened to him. Unfortunately, he either left on his own or something bad happened to him and the car is somehow involved in that or maybe even the key to finding the solution. - Nic from State Farm

    @ Christie
    Yes, I suspect the daisy duke person code be female or a companion to the long blond-haired male. They could be do-gooders. I think the drug problem in the area could have something to do with their appearance and why they have not come forward to police if they spoke with Logan and attempted to help. Heck, they may not remember for any number of reasons.
    Could Logan have picked them up and tried to help them - give them a lift? If we would have known a better time frame for when he went missing and it was reported sooner LE could have tried pulling camera footage from businesses at the south and north exits or anywhere that makes sense looking for his car or even better Logan.
    The troubling thing here is because of all of the items found in his vehicle - no one should suspect that he ran into some kind of car trouble and then left on foot and then something happened to him. Unfortunately, he either left on his own or something bad happened to him and the car is somehow involved in that or maybe even the key to finding the solution.
    - Nic from State Farm

  • Shay
    Shay Bronx, New York
    @Nic, Yea that’s odd, only one car spotted, unless the two other individuals were actually with the black man in that car to begin with and they just broke down on the highway. Also, are there any reports of the police finding footage of him in the store where he went to buy snacks?

    @Nic, Yea that’s odd, only one car spotted, unless the two other individuals were actually with the black man in that car to begin with and they just broke down on the highway.

    Also, are there any reports of the police finding footage of him in the store where he went to buy snacks?

  • Nick
    Nick Parts Unknown
    He looks like a peez a shit

    He looks like a peez a shit

  • Matt
    Matt Virginia
    I don't know that too much can be inferred from the location of the vehicle being in the center median. If you look at the Google StreetView image of the approximate area (see link below), you'll notice that neither shoulder is especially wide. If you are in the left lane and have a problem, the left shoulder is as good as the right shoulder. https://goo.gl/maps/CGG8JuKU7KJ6DMVr8

    I don't know that too much can be inferred from the location of the vehicle being in the center median. If you look at the Google StreetView image of the approximate area (see link below), you'll notice that neither shoulder is especially wide. If you are in the left lane and have a problem, the left shoulder is as good as the right shoulder.
    https://goo.gl/maps/CGG8JuKU7KJ6DMVr8

  • Steven Rodriguez
    Steven Rodriguez SATX
    Jake from State Farm!!! Not Allstate. We have a Jake in the family and call him Jake from State Farm.

    Jake from State Farm!!! Not Allstate. We have a Jake in the family and call him Jake from State Farm.

  • AVID LISTENER
    AVID LISTENER UTAH
    SO WITH MY HUBBY WORKING FOR THE STATE. AND DEALS WITH THE FREEWAY EVERYDAY... THAT CAR SITTING IN THE MEDIAN. THEY WOULD MOVE IT IMMEDIATELY RATHER THAN LATER. LIKE THE 12HR MOVING OR 24 HR MOVING. AND ALSO IF THEY HAVE THE CAR TOWED THE COPS HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL ITEMS IN THE CAR AND TAKE AN INVENTORY OF ALL THATS IN THE CAR. JUST SOMETHING I KNOW OF.

    SO WITH MY HUBBY WORKING FOR THE STATE. AND DEALS WITH THE FREEWAY EVERYDAY...
    THAT CAR SITTING IN THE MEDIAN. THEY WOULD MOVE IT IMMEDIATELY RATHER THAN LATER. LIKE THE 12HR MOVING OR 24 HR MOVING.
    AND ALSO IF THEY HAVE THE CAR TOWED THE COPS HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL ITEMS IN THE CAR AND TAKE AN INVENTORY OF ALL THATS IN THE CAR.
    JUST SOMETHING I KNOW OF.

  • Janelle
    Janelle WA
    I live in nearby Tacoma and can confirm that while the greater Olympia area does have some diversity, there are many rural areas connected to Thurston and Grays Harbor counties wherein racism is quite prevalent and even celebrated. I mention this because, unfortunately, the potential for race-motivated violence is very much there. During the years of 2015 and 2016, there was a lot of division around the BLM movement secondary to national news of other black youth which I am assuming would have affected Logan's thinking. I remember there being marches and protests similarly to what we saw here in 2020. It is also worth mentioning that JBLM, a joint Army/Air Force military base, is quite close to Olympia which means a lot of people coming and going on a heavy rotation. I'm not suggesting that a military personnel was involved, but I do think it's worth noting as the community can be quite transitionary due to this. Finally, I thought about the likelihood of a trip to Camas, which is quite a bit south towards Oregon. This area is quite remote, blue-collar, and known for drug use/sales. I'm curious if Logan, while himself not a heavy drug user (that we know of), made connections in his own somewhat rural hometown wherein he became used as a drug mule or co-trafficker without his consent or under coercion. The presence of another person in the vehicle from the semi-truck eyewitness makes me wonder this.

    I live in nearby Tacoma and can confirm that while the greater Olympia area does have some diversity, there are many rural areas connected to Thurston and Grays Harbor counties wherein racism is quite prevalent and even celebrated. I mention this because, unfortunately, the potential for race-motivated violence is very much there. During the years of 2015 and 2016, there was a lot of division around the BLM movement secondary to national news of other black youth which I am assuming would have affected Logan's thinking. I remember there being marches and protests similarly to what we saw here in 2020.

    It is also worth mentioning that JBLM, a joint Army/Air Force military base, is quite close to Olympia which means a lot of people coming and going on a heavy rotation. I'm not suggesting that a military personnel was involved, but I do think it's worth noting as the community can be quite transitionary due to this.

    Finally, I thought about the likelihood of a trip to Camas, which is quite a bit south towards Oregon. This area is quite remote, blue-collar, and known for drug use/sales. I'm curious if Logan, while himself not a heavy drug user (that we know of), made connections in his own somewhat rural hometown wherein he became used as a drug mule or co-trafficker without his consent or under coercion. The presence of another person in the vehicle from the semi-truck eyewitness makes me wonder this.

  • Nic from Allstate and captain from state farm ... You guys really did a great job on this case. The lack of info is truly baffling to me. I think this case is insane... Because there are ZERO people coming forward with info on the day he went missing. This... Considering his age is crazy to me. Someone saw or spoke with him... There is just no evidence to lead to any conclusion. I do believe that it was stated he had on the night prior to his disappearance he had driven around through the night... Sort of aimlessly etc... To come to an epiphany of sorts... That could explain his strange pattern of travel... And if he is known to use marijuana... It could have been laced... Which would also line up with strange and erratic behavior from the trucker witness and the no pants call. I also agree that the 13 month late eye witness can not be taken as credible just because of the time lapse. Too much time and room for error... Let alone a sketch. I would bet he will one day be found in that wooded area. Unfortunately... I don't see him with out prospects or means to be able to just up and start a new life . This was such a good case... Hopefully we will hear updates on this one!!! CHEERS!!

    Nic from Allstate and captain from state farm ... You guys really did a great job on this case. The lack of info is truly baffling to me. I think this case is insane... Because there are ZERO people coming forward with info on the day he went missing. This... Considering his age is crazy to me. Someone saw or spoke with him... There is just no evidence to lead to any conclusion. I do believe that it was stated he had on the night prior to his disappearance he had driven around through the night... Sort of aimlessly etc... To come to an epiphany of sorts... That could explain his strange pattern of travel... And if he is known to use marijuana... It could have been laced... Which would also line up with strange and erratic behavior from the trucker witness and the no pants call. I also agree that the 13 month late eye witness can not be taken as credible just because of the time lapse. Too much time and room for error... Let alone a sketch. I would bet he will one day be found in that wooded area. Unfortunately... I don't see him with out prospects or means to be able to just up and start a new life . This was such a good case... Hopefully we will hear updates on this one!!! CHEERS!!

  • Leah
    Leah Hawaii
    From the way you’ve told this story... my money is totally on Jenny... my question is, why does it seem that her memory of his last moments are being taken as gospel? Feels odd to me

    From the way you’ve told this story... my money is totally on Jenny... my question is, why does it seem that her memory of his last moments are being taken as gospel? Feels odd to me

  • Leah
    Leah Hawaii
    Oops! Ginnie... sounded like Jenny to me Leah from allstates

    Oops! Ginnie... sounded like Jenny to me
    Leah from allstates

  • Mellow
    Mellow Seattle
    Such a bizarre case. Just a small thing but Tumwater is actually just south of Olympia, Lacey is the town just north. But as you mentioned just south of tumwater the area gets very rural with trees and farmland, the speed limit increases to 70 (even tho some people have been known to hit upwards of 75k) for about 20 miles until Centralia. The part that interested me was how you just very briefly mentioned Camas, WA. This is way down by the Oregon border, just across the Columbia River from Portland OR. It’s not terribly far but I would say at least an hour drive if not more and not a big place. Did anyone have any idea why he would go there or who he might know? That seems like a very random place to just head down to for a quick drive unless he had a friend down there. I know you had mentioned the girl he knew online but didn’t catch what part of Oregon she was from. I was thinking that we don’t really know that he was the one that drove the car back up north to Tumwater, although it seems unlikely a random person would come back up to his home town. It almost would make more sense to me if someone took him down there or went down south with him something bad happens to him and then they came back up to the Tumwater/Olympia area back to where they reside as well and then ditched the car. I’m guessing no gas station cameras ever saw the car tho? I would guess about 150- 180 mile round trip. My last thought from the truckers story was maybe they had for some reason intentionally let the car drift out across the freeway hoping to cause an accident for some reason because I can’t imagine why else some one would do that. There’s not a lot out there so a bad place to purposely abandon your car, and why there? Really interesting case and such strange and spotty details, it’s hard to even come up with a theory...

    Such a bizarre case. Just a small thing but Tumwater is actually just south of Olympia, Lacey is the town just north. But as you mentioned just south of tumwater the area gets very rural with trees and farmland, the speed limit increases to 70 (even tho some people have been known to hit upwards of 75k) for about 20 miles until Centralia. The part that interested me was how you just very briefly mentioned Camas, WA. This is way down by the Oregon border, just across the Columbia River from Portland OR.

    It’s not terribly far but I would say at least an hour drive if not more and not a big place. Did anyone have any idea why he would go there or who he might know? That seems like a very random place to just head down to for a quick drive unless he had a friend down there.
    I know you had mentioned the girl he knew online but didn’t catch what part of Oregon she was from. I was thinking that we don’t really know that he was the one that drove the car back up north to Tumwater, although it seems unlikely a random person would come back up to his home town. It almost would make more sense to me if someone took him down there or went down south with him something bad happens to him and then they came back up to the Tumwater/Olympia area back to where they reside as well and then ditched the car. I’m guessing no gas station cameras ever saw the car tho? I would guess about 150- 180 mile round trip.

    My last thought from the truckers story was maybe they had for some reason intentionally let the car drift out across the freeway hoping to cause an accident for some reason because I can’t imagine why else some one would do that. There’s not a lot out there so a bad place to purposely abandon your car, and why there?

    Really interesting case and such strange and spotty details, it’s hard to even come up with a theory...

  • Megan
    Megan Olympia
    The Hide and Seek podcast is doing a long form season on this case and has been granted total access to the case file. So far there's only one episode out but it may be worth a listen to get some answers to the questions you had!

    The Hide and Seek podcast is doing a long form season on this case and has been granted total access to the case file. So far there's only one episode out but it may be worth a listen to get some answers to the questions you had!

  • Jolene
    Jolene Vegas, baby
    This story reminded me a bit of Bryce LaSpisa, although I don’t think that it was confirmed that Logan had mental issues, was it? It is interesting that his phone pinged in the area around his mom’s home, yet his mom never saw him. Maybe he had graduated to harder drugs and his family just didn’t know. It doesn’t take long for psychosis to develop in some people after short-term use. PS: I will definitely use 75,000mph next time I describe my fellow drivers’ rates of speed in Las Vegas.

    This story reminded me a bit of Bryce LaSpisa, although I don’t think that it was confirmed that Logan had mental issues, was it? It is interesting that his phone pinged in the area around his mom’s home, yet his mom never saw him. Maybe he had graduated to harder drugs and his family just didn’t know. It doesn’t take long for psychosis to develop in some people after short-term use.

    PS: I will definitely use 75,000mph next time I describe my fellow drivers’ rates of speed in Las Vegas.

  • Angela
    Angela Kansas City
    Great show! Isn't there another disappearance case similar to this, where the person also said something right before disappearing about having an epiphany or similar? Or they had figured it all out or something like that? It's kind of driving me crazy because I can't think of which one it is. I think it was a case where there was a bit more signs of possible mental illness. I think he probably committed suicide.

    Great show! Isn't there another disappearance case similar to this, where the person also said something right before disappearing about having an epiphany or similar? Or they had figured it all out or something like that? It's kind of driving me crazy because I can't think of which one it is. I think it was a case where there was a bit more signs of possible mental illness. I think he probably committed suicide.

  • Kell
    Kell AZ
    I want to know where he's getting his drugs and what form they're in, i.e. if he's on edibles, psychosis is highly likely.

    I want to know where he's getting his drugs and what form they're in, i.e. if he's on edibles, psychosis is highly likely.

  •  geoffgg
    geoffgg
    Well Nic says Logan went to Camas that night before he came home the day he went missing and had the epiphany .. well Camas is a smaller town 120 miles away down near Portland, OR. What was he up to down there to be out all night and who was meeting with etc?

    Well Nic says Logan went to Camas that night before he came home the day he went missing and had the epiphany .. well Camas is a smaller town 120 miles away down near Portland, OR. What was he up to down there to be out all night and who was meeting with etc?

  • Allison
    Allison South Bend, Indiana
    Does anyone else keep thinking of the Bryce Laspisa case when listening to this case?

    Does anyone else keep thinking of the Bryce Laspisa case when listening to this case?

  • Camille
    Camille Battle Ground, WA
    Came here to say the same thing as Mellow...Camas is nowhere near Olympia, it's 2.5 hours away, down on the Columbia River (near where I live). If his phone was traced to Camas and back...that kinda changes things. Any chance he is in the Columbia River? Also, as others mentioned above, just a few minutes south of Tumwater, Washington gets very rural, lots of logging country, plenty of places for someone to hide... Also, the individual Winnie-the-Poo-ing around in the street on drugs...that's just a normal sight in Olympia. I don't think I've ever been in downtown Olympia and NOT seen someone high as a kite, experiencing a psychotic break, or both. That's not necessarily Logan.

    Came here to say the same thing as Mellow...Camas is nowhere near Olympia, it's 2.5 hours away, down on the Columbia River (near where I live). If his phone was traced to Camas and back...that kinda changes things. Any chance he is in the Columbia River? Also, as others mentioned above, just a few minutes south of Tumwater, Washington gets very rural, lots of logging country, plenty of places for someone to hide...

    Also, the individual Winnie-the-Poo-ing around in the street on drugs...that's just a normal sight in Olympia. I don't think I've ever been in downtown Olympia and NOT seen someone high as a kite, experiencing a psychotic break, or both. That's not necessarily Logan.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ all thanks for the info on Camas -yes, his movements the night before should be known but are not, why? Also the movements of the phone early AM that Friday are erratic, why? No friends or family to clue us or LE in on those "unknown" movements, why? There is something strange here and I can't put my finger on it. The case it reminds me of is the Ray Rivera case that Unsolved Mysteries covered and then we covered it as well. - Nic

    @ all thanks for the info on Camas -yes, his movements the night before should be known but are not, why?
    Also the movements of the phone early AM that Friday are erratic, why?
    No friends or family to clue us or LE in on those "unknown" movements, why?
    There is something strange here and I can't put my finger on it.
    The case it reminds me of is the Ray Rivera case that Unsolved Mysteries covered and then we covered it as well.
    - Nic

  • Mark
    Mark UK
    One of the most intriguing cases I've heard! A few comments: 1) The Captain is correct! Facebook memories are only shared once the original poster, or someone tagged in the post, chooses to sharw the reminder. On the subject of logins, FB will record the last login for each recognised device. Any new device will need to be authenticated via the email, or phone number, given! 2) I had to deal with a case where a student killed themselves after an one - off psychosis. This case doesn't seem to be the same. Logan seemed to have a plan! It may be there's a longer term mental health issue but I'm 100% ruling out suicide (there's also no body!). 3) I noticed someone else commented about the 3 people seen together, and whether there were 2 cars or not. Also, are these people on amy way connected to the family? Farm hands etc.? Probably way off the mark but worth considering. From the 'apiphony' comment, it sounds like he was on a mission to do something. Whether that resulted in him coming to harm, at the hands of someone, is unsure. However, I'm leaning towards that! The lack of subsequent sightings, contact and evidence makes me suspicious. Fantastic episode!

    One of the most intriguing cases I've heard!

    A few comments:

    1) The Captain is correct! Facebook memories are only shared once the original poster, or someone tagged in the post, chooses to sharw the reminder.

    On the subject of logins, FB will record the last login for each recognised device. Any new device will need to be authenticated via the email, or phone number, given!

    2) I had to deal with a case where a student killed themselves after an one - off psychosis. This case doesn't seem to be the same. Logan seemed to have a plan! It may be there's a longer term mental health issue but I'm 100% ruling out suicide (there's also no body!).

    3) I noticed someone else commented about the 3 people seen together, and whether there were 2 cars or not. Also, are these people on amy way connected to the family? Farm hands etc.? Probably way off the mark but worth considering.

    From the 'apiphony' comment, it sounds like he was on a mission to do something. Whether that resulted in him coming to harm, at the hands of someone, is unsure. However, I'm leaning towards that! The lack of subsequent sightings, contact and evidence makes me suspicious.

    Fantastic episode!

  • Patricia Burns
    Patricia Burns England
    I think that the guy who lived in the house with Logan, the only one with a criminal record, was hiding in the back of his car and attacked him at some point and then set it up to look like Logan had lost the plot, I think this guy must have hated Logan to get aggressive and physically fight with him in his own home, I am certain that he has something to do with this and he should be investigated further, my sympathies go to the family for their loss

    I think that the guy who lived in the house with Logan, the only one with a criminal record, was hiding in the back of his car and attacked him at some point and then set it up to look like Logan had lost the plot, I think this guy must have hated Logan to get aggressive and physically fight with him in his own home, I am certain that he has something to do with this and he should be investigated further, my sympathies go to the family for their loss

  • Andy
    Andy UK
    Happy new year, guys! Fascinating case, I always try to draw my own conclusions at the end of each case and I can honestly say... I have no fucking idea on this one. It's shroud in mystery! One thing I will say coming from a computer forensics background is that the Facebook memory thing is very intriguing and the captain is spot on when he says it has to be shared (I believe the app used to be/is called TimeHop?) - If police get a subpoena to get into his Facebook account and look back at the last logins, they may be able to break the case wife open! The memory posting looks like a taunt to me! The car rolling along the freeway without a driving gave me the chills, not quite sure what that one was about! Police dropped the ball a little when investigating that lead, I'd imagine the car WAS a treasure trove of evidence which has probably been contaminated now! I love you guys! Thanks for everything, I look forward to your episodes every week, it's the highlight of my week, especially now in the UK we are in a nationwide lockdown!

    Happy new year, guys!

    Fascinating case, I always try to draw my own conclusions at the end of each case and I can honestly say... I have no fucking idea on this one. It's shroud in mystery! One thing I will say coming from a computer forensics background is that the Facebook memory thing is very intriguing and the captain is spot on when he says it has to be shared (I believe the app used to be/is called TimeHop?) - If police get a subpoena to get into his Facebook account and look back at the last logins, they may be able to break the case wife open! The memory posting looks like a taunt to me!

    The car rolling along the freeway without a driving gave me the chills, not quite sure what that one was about! Police dropped the ball a little when investigating that lead, I'd imagine the car WAS a treasure trove of evidence which has probably been contaminated now!

    I love you guys! Thanks for everything, I look forward to your episodes every week, it's the highlight of my week, especially now in the UK we are in a nationwide lockdown!

  • Emily
    Emily Tumwater, WA
    Hey Nic and cap'n - I currently live in Tumwater, WA it is a very redneck area since I've moved here in 2015 I see the posters of Logan's mysterious disaperance. I have no insight to offer on this case. My only thought is wondering if this was a sexual crime. Meaning that living in this area, most people are accepting of sexual liberation... but Tumwater is pretty much backwards on that regard.

    Hey Nic and cap'n - I currently live in Tumwater, WA it is a very redneck area since I've moved here in 2015 I see the posters of Logan's mysterious disaperance. I have no insight to offer on this case. My only thought is wondering if this was a sexual crime. Meaning that living in this area, most people are accepting of sexual liberation... but Tumwater is pretty much backwards on that regard.

  • Jennifer
    Jennifer NC
    Imagine Logan were female. Then the sighting of a similar looking half-naked woman wandering in the area of the car being found would not be written off. In other words, to me this appears to be an abduction and murder. if it is not a robbery, then it is likely to be sexually motivated. Additionally, to think this is a mental break either from psychiatric disease or psychosis resulting in accidental death or suicide, then his body would be there, within walking distance. You can’t hide your own dead body. So this seems to be a murder. And the car was brought back to the area of the highway where he was abducted from - and the white guy was not seen in the driver's seat because he was hiding as he drove it. He was hiding because he just participated in an abduction and murder.

    Imagine Logan were female. Then the sighting of a similar looking half-naked woman wandering in the area of the car being found would not be written off. In other words, to me this appears to be an abduction and murder. if it is not a robbery, then it is likely to be sexually motivated. Additionally, to think this is a mental break either from psychiatric disease or psychosis resulting in accidental death or suicide, then his body would be there, within walking distance. You can’t hide your own dead body. So this seems to be a murder. And the car was brought back to the area of the highway where he was abducted from - and the white guy was not seen in the driver's seat because he was hiding as he drove it. He was hiding because he just participated in an abduction and murder.

  • Kailey
    Kailey Chesterville
    The police sketch in this episode got me to google bad police sketches and if you haven’t done this and need a good ole fashioned laugh until you snort please do so. It’s my new obsession.

    The police sketch in this episode got me to google bad police sketches and if you haven’t done this and need a good ole fashioned laugh until you snort please do so. It’s my new obsession.

  • Joulesmoose
    Joulesmoose Buffalo
    This may not be a popular opinion but saying that he doesn’t know if he’ll survive this week doesn’t seem that abnormal to me, it’s just a way of talking to your friends. It’s dramatic but in college I’d say something like that if I had back to back exams, it could’ve just meant that there was something he was dreading doing. Was this the last thing he said to her? Had they already been talking or was he trying to start a conversation and she didn’t respond immediately. If it was the way he was starting a conversation I wonder if it’s possible that he was waiting for her to reply so he could vent about something that was stressing him out or someone who was pissing him off. It could’ve been something as benign as having been scheduled to work with a coworker he didn’t like all week, It’s possible that it has absolutely nothing to do with his disappearance and the fact that he disappeared is what is making it seem ominous.

    This may not be a popular opinion but saying that he doesn’t know if he’ll survive this week doesn’t seem that abnormal to me, it’s just a way of talking to your friends. It’s dramatic but in college I’d say something like that if I had back to back exams, it could’ve just meant that there was something he was dreading doing. Was this the last thing he said to her? Had they already been talking or was he trying to start a conversation and she didn’t respond immediately. If it was the way he was starting a conversation I wonder if it’s possible that he was waiting for her to reply so he could vent about something that was stressing him out or someone who was pissing him off. It could’ve been something as benign as having been scheduled to work with a coworker he didn’t like all week, It’s possible that it has absolutely nothing to do with his disappearance and the fact that he disappeared is what is making it seem ominous.

  • B P
    B P Wyoming
    My sister and I went to school with this kid and my sister was in his class and semi close within the friend group. Such a sad story and always had questions!!

    My sister and I went to school with this kid and my sister was in his class and semi close within the friend group. Such a sad story and always had questions!!

  • Damon
    Damon Louisiana
    T-shirt, highway sign 75,000 MPH

    T-shirt, highway sign 75,000 MPH

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Damon • Louisiana hahahaha Captain

    Damon • Louisiana

    hahahaha

    Captain

  • Austin
    Austin New Mexico
    Jake from State Farm!!! Was Jake wearing Khakis?

    Jake from State Farm!!!

    Was Jake wearing Khakis?

  • jamie
    jamie WA
    phone died? teens always have a charger.

    phone died? teens always have a charger.

  • jamie
    jamie WA
    where was this sister, her boyfriend, and his kids during all of this?

    where was this sister, her boyfriend, and his kids during all of this?

  • JD
    JD Centralia
    I saw the guy in the sketch and the white friend walking down Harrison in late June , early July 2016 . The guy in the sketch was wearing a tiny tank top and a pair of kids blue jeans that were way too short . He looked like a freak with his straight blonde hair. He was older, I would say late mid to 30’s. His friend had wavy blonde hair and was a bigger build. I thought to myself that he looked freakish. It wasn’t until a year later when the sketch came out and the description of his shorts that he was wearing like a kid that I remembered I had seen them both. I have never seen them since in Centralia.

    I saw the guy in the sketch and the white friend walking down Harrison in late June , early July 2016 . The guy in the sketch was wearing a tiny tank top and a pair of kids blue jeans that were way too short . He looked like a freak with his straight blonde hair. He was older, I would say late mid to 30’s. His friend had wavy blonde hair and was a bigger build. I thought to myself that he looked freakish. It wasn’t until a year later when the sketch came out and the description of his shorts that he was wearing like a kid that I remembered I had seen them both. I have never seen them since in Centralia.

  • Katie J
    Katie J MI
    I totally second that shirt idea from Damon in Louisiana! That was cracking me up during the episode! I took a break from true crime for a couple of months, so I'm just catching up on the episodes I missed now. It's great to hang out with you guys again! Thanks for the quality work you do.

    I totally second that shirt idea from Damon in Louisiana! That was cracking me up during the episode!

    I took a break from true crime for a couple of months, so I'm just catching up on the episodes I missed now. It's great to hang out with you guys again! Thanks for the quality work you do.

  • Henry
    Henry Onalaska
    Hide and Seek podcast has new release regarding this case. It appears close to being solved. Logan's sister and her boyfriend Jake Furtwangler / Jacob Furtwangler appear to be somehow involved in Logan's disappearance.

    Hide and Seek podcast has new release regarding this case. It appears close to being solved.

    Logan's sister and her boyfriend Jake Furtwangler / Jacob Furtwangler appear to be somehow involved in Logan's disappearance.

  • Clark
    Clark PA
    Great show! One question I have regarding the case - did detectives contact his grandfather's side of the family? There seemed to be tension between them and his grandmother and potential disapproval by his grandmother for Logan contacting that side of the family. Also, if he was going through an identity crisis and was determined to connect to his African American roots, would it be possible that he abandoned everything and was picked up by a family member on his grandfather's side to reset? That he wanted to disappear because of perceived or real pressure by his grandmother to not contact these members of his family? This doesn't explain the abnormality of where the car was abandoned, but I figured I would float the theory. Keep up the great work!

    Great show!

    One question I have regarding the case - did detectives contact his grandfather's side of the family? There seemed to be tension between them and his grandmother and potential disapproval by his grandmother for Logan contacting that side of the family. Also, if he was going through an identity crisis and was determined to connect to his African American roots, would it be possible that he abandoned everything and was picked up by a family member on his grandfather's side to reset? That he wanted to disappear because of perceived or real pressure by his grandmother to not contact these members of his family?

    This doesn't explain the abnormality of where the car was abandoned, but I figured I would float the theory.

    Keep up the great work!

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @Henry The grandmothers story seems extremely fishy and lacking in details as well as there are plenty of holes in her timeline. That would strongly imply the family knows something they have not told to law enforcement. The sister and boyfriend possible involvement seem like the most logical theory. Cheers, Nic

    @Henry
    The grandmothers story seems extremely fishy and lacking in details as well as there are plenty of holes in her timeline. That would strongly imply the family knows something they have not told to law enforcement. The sister and boyfriend possible involvement seem like the most logical theory.
    Cheers, Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @Clark It appears that this was in fact done. I don't think Logan wanted to disappear or reset. I think likely the car was placed there after something happened to Logan. My guess is Logan didnt put the vehicle where it was found. Cheers, Nic

    @Clark
    It appears that this was in fact done. I don't think Logan wanted to disappear or reset. I think likely the car was placed there after something happened to Logan. My guess is Logan didnt put the vehicle where it was found.
    Cheers, Nic

  • Megan
    Megan WA
    There was a body found in the woods by loggers in Winlock WA this past week. Hoping for an ID soon!

    There was a body found in the woods by loggers in Winlock WA this past week. Hoping for an ID soon!

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