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  • Speedro (Peter)
    Speedro (Peter) SLC , UT
    Thank you ! Thank you ! Thank you !

    Thank you ! Thank you ! Thank you !

  • Robert
    Robert MT
    We believe the children! "But nothing happened to me" I don't believe you.

    We believe the children!

    "But nothing happened to me"

    I don't believe you.

  • Lauren
    Lauren Ontario
    This case is so eerily similar to the Martinville Daycare scandal covered in the Uncover- Satanic Panic podcast.

    This case is so eerily similar to the Martinville Daycare scandal covered in the Uncover- Satanic Panic podcast.

  • Candice
    Candice PHX, AZ
    This was in my hometown! I lived 3 minutes from this school, and remember passing it everyday (long since been torn down)...….It was so disturbing when this case broke!

    This was in my hometown! I lived 3 minutes from this school, and remember passing it everyday (long since been torn down)...….It was so disturbing when this case broke!

  • Dave
    Dave Stillwater
    Careful Captain... Me Too absolutely does NOT believe in innocent until proven guilty. And as per some previous comments I assume you’re a supporter

    Careful Captain... Me Too absolutely does NOT believe in innocent until proven guilty. And as per some previous comments I assume you’re a supporter

  • McKenzie Young
    McKenzie Young
    This is the case that changed child interview techniques. They botched this so badly. Child interview is now predominantly cognitive interview style rather than Q&A. They were basically “leading the witness” that was at an age prone to fantastical thinking... obviously. Where were the sane people to question ANY of this when the exceptionally weird things started happening?

    This is the case that changed child interview techniques. They botched this so badly. Child interview is now predominantly cognitive interview style rather than Q&A. They were basically “leading the witness” that was at an age prone to fantastical thinking... obviously.
    Where were the sane people to question ANY of this when the exceptionally weird things started happening?

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    You're so right McKenzie! I have to think that is the true definition of panic. This comes out in when - allegations that were bizarre from a woman who truly needed help, sparked fear and panic and then all rational thinking went out the window. We have experienced this recently. We are warned that a virus is spreading and BOOM! all of the toilet paper everywhere suddenly disappears. Panic causes this type of senseless knee jerk reaction. The Edge (starring the great Sir Anthony Hopkins, 1997) is one of my favorite movies. In the movie, Hopkins' character and some others have to battle through the Alaskan wilderness and survive long enough to make it to civilization. Hopkins is constantly reminding everyone - what is the number one reason people die in the wilderness? - Panic. There's a great movie recommendation for staying in tomorrow night! Cheers Nic

    You're so right McKenzie! I have to think that is the true definition of panic. This comes out in when - allegations that were bizarre from a woman who truly needed help, sparked fear and panic and then all rational thinking went out the window. We have experienced this recently. We are warned that a virus is spreading and BOOM! all of the toilet paper everywhere suddenly disappears. Panic causes this type of senseless knee jerk reaction. The Edge (starring the great Sir Anthony Hopkins, 1997) is one of my favorite movies. In the movie, Hopkins' character and some others have to battle through the Alaskan wilderness and survive long enough to make it to civilization. Hopkins is constantly reminding everyone - what is the number one reason people die in the wilderness? - Panic. There's a great movie recommendation for staying in tomorrow night!
    Cheers Nic

  • mG
    mG tX
    Six years this trial went! What is most remarkable to me is that the state did not get a conviction, regardless of having no case. Such charges are usually enough to get a conviction, props to California jury. Could you imagine the McMartins walking in Mississippi, Arkansas, or Utah? Strongly recommend the HBO movie about this with James Woods.

    Six years this trial went! What is most remarkable to me is that the state did not get a conviction, regardless of having no case. Such charges are usually enough to get a conviction, props to California jury. Could you imagine the McMartins walking in Mississippi, Arkansas, or Utah? Strongly recommend the HBO movie about this with James Woods.

  • I'm sick of the ignorant
    I'm sick of the ignorant comments on this page...
    You guys have attracted way too many mouth breathers with this podcast. I blame the Captain. To: Dave from Stillwater Go listen to Joe Rogan. This stuff is too complicated for you.

    You guys have attracted way too many mouth breathers with this podcast. I blame the Captain.

    To: Dave from Stillwater

    Go listen to Joe Rogan. This stuff is too complicated for you.

  • Joseph
    Joseph MA
    What a trip down memory lane. I remember when this was on the news, seemingly 24/7. We had a similar case in the Boston area, and one thing stuck in my mind. One time they had a group interview on television of a number of parents. Now, full disclosure, I don't have children. If I was in this situation, I think I would be in denial, and hoping for any reassurance that my child had not been molested. But it seemed as if these parents were in a competition, and if your child wasn't abused, your were not part of the in crowd. One question that I had was about the financial settlements, and if it turned out that the child had not been molested what would happen to that money. Only one reporter asked about this. I don't know who he was, but I believe he was transferred to a news desk in Siberia. So, one aspect I have with these cases, and it may seem unsympathetic to ask, is there also a financial angle?

    What a trip down memory lane. I remember when this was on the news, seemingly 24/7. We had a similar case in the Boston area, and one thing stuck in my mind. One time they had a group interview on television of a number of parents. Now, full disclosure, I don't have children. If I was in this situation, I think I would be in denial, and hoping for any reassurance that my child had not been molested. But it seemed as if these parents were in a competition, and if your child wasn't abused, your were not part of the in crowd. One question that I had was about the financial settlements, and if it turned out that the child had not been molested what would happen to that money. Only one reporter asked about this. I don't know who he was, but I believe he was transferred to a news desk in Siberia. So, one aspect I have with these cases, and it may seem unsympathetic to ask, is there also a financial angle?

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Hi Joseph - this whole mess just started off as a woman who needed some real help with a lot of things. I believe she thought her son was a victim and a target but none of those thoughts were actually real. She first started calling the police about her husband, then the school and then her brother. The police went after the school and the team they hired got kids to talk and make up stories. I don't recall financial settlements in this case. The McMartins always claimed innocence and they were. The McMartins did however lose everything defending themselves and the school closure. Cheers Nic

    Hi Joseph - this whole mess just started off as a woman who needed some real help with a lot of things. I believe she thought her son was a victim and a target but none of those thoughts were actually real. She first started calling the police about her husband, then the school and then her brother. The police went after the school and the team they hired got kids to talk and make up stories. I don't recall financial settlements in this case. The McMartins always claimed innocence and they were. The McMartins did however lose everything defending themselves and the school closure.
    Cheers Nic

  • Joseph
    Joseph MA
    Yes, I understand the original complaint came from someone with issues, but I don't understand how so many others would jump on the bandwagon knowing the stories were not really believable. I know some have posited that in that era, more women were having careers and that there was guilt about leaving kids in daycare while they worked. Still, the ones I saw seemed to relish the attention.

    Yes, I understand the original complaint came from someone with issues, but I don't understand how so many others would jump on the bandwagon knowing the stories were not really believable. I know some have posited that in that era, more women were having careers and that there was guilt about leaving kids in daycare while they worked. Still, the ones I saw seemed to relish the attention.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Oh yeah - I agreed. Call it tribalism, the in-crowd - the new click. Who knows, it might be more mob mentality than anything. I moving fire that fuels itself. Cheers Nic

    Oh yeah - I agreed. Call it tribalism, the in-crowd - the new click. Who knows, it might be more mob mentality than anything. I moving fire that fuels itself.
    Cheers Nic

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