Mind Hunter: John Douglas /// 445 /// 446

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  • Slatts McCracker
    Slatts McCracker Sydney, Aus
    Thank you for this interview with one of the legends of the game. Douglas’ ideas about proactive policing / profiling in episode 1, and the results he has achieved with this, are fascinating. One thing though: His views on why the Ramsey’s would not have been capable of writing the ransom note are are vague and unconvincing versus they alternative (that they did write it as opposed to an unknown intruder). Just chucking that out there. But if the only thing I disagree with Douglas on is the Ramsey case, I’m fine with that. He has WM3 spot on. Cheers Just chucking that out there.

    Thank you for this interview with one of the legends of the game.

    Douglas’ ideas about proactive policing / profiling in episode 1, and the results he has achieved with this, are fascinating.

    One thing though: His views on why the Ramsey’s would not have been capable of writing the ransom note are are vague and unconvincing versus they alternative (that they did write it as opposed to an unknown intruder).

    Just chucking that out there.

    But if the only thing I disagree with Douglas on is the Ramsey case, I’m fine with that. He has WM3 spot on.

    Cheers

    Just chucking that out there.

  • Amy
    Amy KCMO
    What an interesting interview!!! Love John Douglas! And his opinions on Terry Hobbs just cemented my belief that he killed those poor little boys! Great show as always guys. And Captain your joke about quitting is not funny. Don't play w our emotions that way! Lol!

    What an interesting interview!!! Love John Douglas! And his opinions on Terry Hobbs just cemented my belief that he killed those poor little boys! Great show as always guys. And Captain your joke about quitting is not funny. Don't play w our emotions that way! Lol!

  • Ralph
    Ralph Long island
    I sometimes listen this podcast with my daughter 16 years old. And I noticed the captain who says what's wrong with America is that the people don't know how to become adults. This coming from the same person who says he's going to stick his dick in the mashed potatoes I know what you're thinking is if you don't like it then don't listen well guess what you gotten me to the point where I'm not going to listen anymore there are plenty of True Crime podcast for me to listen to that's hardly the first time he's made crude and moronic statements. So now knowing that Nick can't break away from a Howard Stern broadcast tells me a little something about him and my choice to no longer listen confirm. Idiotic comments just takes away from credibility of your show you should think about. There is is something to the show. There is some entertaining factors to the show if you would just leave out crap! PS you might want to consider redoing that commercial where he says "cusamizable" because I never heard of that word before my life adios

    I sometimes listen this podcast with my daughter 16 years old. And I noticed the captain who says what's wrong with America is that the people don't know how to become adults. This coming from the same person who says he's going to stick his dick in the mashed potatoes I know what you're thinking is if you don't like it then don't listen well guess what you gotten me to the point where I'm not going to listen anymore there are plenty of True Crime podcast for me to listen to that's hardly the first time he's made crude and moronic statements. So now knowing that Nick can't break away from a Howard Stern broadcast tells me a little something about him and my choice to no longer listen confirm. Idiotic comments just takes away from credibility of your show you should think about. There is is something to the show. There is some entertaining factors to the show if you would just leave out crap!
    PS you might want to consider redoing that commercial where he says "cusamizable" because I never heard of that word before my life adios

  • Anais
    Anais Nin
    Great episodes! John Douglas is the only person who could potentially convince me my take on the Ramsey case is wrong. I mean, I know I am right, but he at least got me to reconsider for a nano-second :) Also I am fascinated by profiling. Anyone who has read my posts here before knows I have had some life events that are bananas and I have more than once been told my life should be a lifetime movie. Barf. No thanks. But one of the things that has happened due to my attachment to my ex-husband is that one day, early morning, there was a loud knock on the door. I went to answer it was shocked to see the swat team encircling my house and three FBI agents in vests on my doorstep, with a few others standing behind them on my sidewalk. I asked what was going on and they said they wanted to talk to me. I said of course and instinctively went to step onto my porch. My three kids were sleeping inside. They all stood to attention and started looking around except the one guy who said directly to me: why can't we come in? I was like "oh! Yeah! I'm sorry, come in!" I was embarrassed they thought I was intentionally trying to leave them outside. Anyways, long story short, agents upon agents descended into my home and searched it. I was told they were looking for my ex brother in law, who was a cocaine dealer and a fugitive and they had been given some info that he might be at my house. I laughed and said whoever told you that does not understand my relationship with that family. I want nothing to do with them. So after they were satisfied I knew nothing, the main agent, Tony, gave me his card and said if I heard anything to call him. after I had had some time to process what had just happened, I came up with a theory about where my ex BIL was. It was so stupid that I felt dumb calling the agent back and saying "hey I have a hunch" but I did anyway. I built my theory on the fact that he listened to rap music, he idolized Brad Pitt, and he likes warmer weather. So I thought maybe he went to Mexico. And it turns out, I was right :) The FBI actually took my call seriously and found out he had a vague connection to the owners of a Mexican Restaurant in the county he lived in. The family of the owners had family in Mexico that helped smuggle him down there. He was arrested and went to prison. Moral of this story: I fancy myself an amateur profiler lol But really. I do ;)

    Great episodes! John Douglas is the only person who could potentially convince me my take on the Ramsey case is wrong. I mean, I know I am right, but he at least got me to reconsider for a nano-second smile Also I am fascinated by profiling. Anyone who has read my posts here before knows I have had some life events that are bananas and I have more than once been told my life should be a lifetime movie. Barf. No thanks. But one of the things that has happened due to my attachment to my ex-husband is that one day, early morning, there was a loud knock on the door. I went to answer it was shocked to see the swat team encircling my house and three FBI agents in vests on my doorstep, with a few others standing behind them on my sidewalk. I asked what was going on and they said they wanted to talk to me. I said of course and instinctively went to step onto my porch. My three kids were sleeping inside. They all stood to attention and started looking around except the one guy who said directly to me: why can't we come in? I was like "oh! Yeah! I'm sorry, come in!" I was embarrassed they thought I was intentionally trying to leave them outside. Anyways, long story short, agents upon agents descended into my home and searched it. I was told they were looking for my ex brother in law, who was a cocaine dealer and a fugitive and they had been given some info that he might be at my house. I laughed and said whoever told you that does not understand my relationship with that family. I want nothing to do with them. So after they were satisfied I knew nothing, the main agent, Tony, gave me his card and said if I heard anything to call him. after I had had some time to process what had just happened, I came up with a theory about where my ex BIL was. It was so stupid that I felt dumb calling the agent back and saying "hey I have a hunch" but I did anyway. I built my theory on the fact that he listened to rap music, he idolized Brad Pitt, and he likes warmer weather. So I thought maybe he went to Mexico. And it turns out, I was right smile The FBI actually took my call seriously and found out he had a vague connection to the owners of a Mexican Restaurant in the county he lived in. The family of the owners had family in Mexico that helped smuggle him down there. He was arrested and went to prison. Moral of this story: I fancy myself an amateur profiler lol But really. I do wink

  • Lori
    Lori Maine
    Hi Guys, loved the interview with John Douglas...and don’t pay any attention to Ralph from Long Island. Who listens to true crime with their sixteen year old daughter !!?? Seriously...kinda creepy

    Hi Guys, loved the interview with John Douglas...and don’t pay any attention to Ralph from Long Island. Who listens to true crime with their sixteen year old daughter !!?? Seriously...kinda creepy

  • sarah
    sarah Carmel-by-the- Sea
    I loved how chatty he was! thanks for doing this interview.

    I loved how chatty he was! thanks for doing this interview.

  • Terri-anne
    Terri-anne OKC
    I am with Ralph on this, guys leave out the crude stuff please, otherwise great show

    I am with Ralph on this, guys leave out the crude stuff please, otherwise great show

  • Pam
    Pam Midland, Mi
    Thank you for having John Douglas on he is so fascinating. I have tried listening to multiple True Crime podcasts and yours is by far my favorite. I really enjoy your format. Nic you are an amazing story teller and Captain your music is very on point with each mystery, together your show is riveting. I always look forward to Tuesday’s!

    Thank you for having John Douglas on he is so fascinating. I have tried listening to multiple True Crime podcasts and yours is by far my favorite. I really enjoy your format. Nic you are an amazing story teller and Captain your music is very on point with each mystery, together your show is riveting. I always look forward to Tuesday’s!

  • Na
    Na Parts unknown
    For ralph - your comment doesnt even contribute to the discussion on this episode. Captain isn't this episode at all? Like you said 'if you don't like it don't listen'. So maybe do that Anyway, awesome episode. Always great listening to John Douglas

    For ralph - your comment doesnt even contribute to the discussion on this episode. Captain isn't this episode at all? Like you said 'if you don't like it don't listen'. So maybe do that

    Anyway, awesome episode. Always great listening to John Douglas

  • Carlo
    Carlo NJ
    Great interview guys but odd that you didn't pick Douglas up on his talk of Amanda Knox being innocent?

    Great interview guys but odd that you didn't pick Douglas up on his talk of Amanda Knox being innocent?

  • Abigail
    Abigail The Parts That Are Unknown
    Christmas came early this year! What an honor for you guys to speak with John Douglas again. His career is so fascinating. I'm in my 30s and I still tell myself, "I want to be like him when I grow up." Ha. I really liked his thoughts on WM3. He seemed so eager to talk and I was really hoping you would bring up Delphi, but was surprised when he was the one who did! I sincerely hope if there is more audio or video footage, the police reconsider releasing it to the public. I know you two always say you're just two dudes in a garage, but "just two dudes in a garage" could never get John Douglas on their show. You guys are fantastic. Cheers and Happy Thanksgiving! One last comment, I saw Captain posted Nic drinking Great Lakes Christmas Ale on Untapped recently and I'm so jealous - I'm an Ohio native but in PA right now and the hunt to find GL Christmas Ale is killing me haha.

    Christmas came early this year! What an honor for you guys to speak with John Douglas again. His career is so fascinating. I'm in my 30s and I still tell myself, "I want to be like him when I grow up." Ha. I really liked his thoughts on WM3. He seemed so eager to talk and I was really hoping you would bring up Delphi, but was surprised when he was the one who did! I sincerely hope if there is more audio or video footage, the police reconsider releasing it to the public. I know you two always say you're just two dudes in a garage, but "just two dudes in a garage" could never get John Douglas on their show. You guys are fantastic. Cheers and Happy Thanksgiving!

    One last comment, I saw Captain posted Nic drinking Great Lakes Christmas Ale on Untapped recently and I'm so jealous - I'm an Ohio native but in PA right now and the hunt to find GL Christmas Ale is killing me haha.

  • Jenny B
    Jenny B
    John Douglas is such an interesting guy! I definitely have to read some of his books! p.s. Captain, the music in this episode is awesome!

    John Douglas is such an interesting guy! I definitely have to read some of his books!

    p.s. Captain, the music in this episode is awesome!

  • Angela Smith
    Angela Smith Kansas City
    Yeeeeessss. Thank you so much for this. I read The Cases that Haunt Us years ago and it's great to hear John Douglas still believes the Ramsey's are innocent. Lou Schmidt and John Douglas are by far the best and most experienced brains that ever worked this case and they DID get it right. Such an unbelievable tragedy this family suffered and they continue to be victimized. I hope it is solved someday and the truth of the Ramsey's innocence will be known by all. Great work, thank you!

    Yeeeeessss. Thank you so much for this. I read The Cases that Haunt Us years ago and it's great to hear John Douglas still believes the Ramsey's are innocent. Lou Schmidt and John Douglas are by far the best and most experienced brains that ever worked this case and they DID get it right. Such an unbelievable tragedy this family suffered and they continue to be victimized. I hope it is solved someday and the truth of the Ramsey's innocence will be known by all. Great work, thank you!

  • Tony
    Tony Dallas
    Great interview guys!! What a freakin legend!! You guys keep churning out these great episodes and keep us entertained. One thing that I'd recommend... I thoroughly enjoy the episodes with missing persons i.e Maura Murry & Brian Shaffer. Those keep me glued to my seat, I'm requesting more of those!! Dang that Ralph guy up there was mad. But here are all the errors in his comment that prove this man is an illiterate imbecile: "I sometimes listen this podcast with my daughter 16 years old (REWRITE : I sometimes listen to this podcast with my 16 year old daughter). And(Never start a sentence with "And") I noticed the captain (comma) who says (add quotations with what the captain says) what's wrong with America is that the people don't know how to become adults. (what follows is 4 sentences mashed together like the potatoes he's about to talk about) This coming from the same person who says he's going to stick his dick in the mashed potatoes (Add period here) I know what you're thinking is if you don't like it then don't listen (add period here) w(capitalize W)ell guess what (comma) you gotten (you've got) me to the point where I'm not going to listen anymore (period) t(capitalize T)here are plenty of True Crime podcast for me to listen to (add period) t(capitalize T)hat's hardly the first time he's made crude and moronic statements. (<--- he clearly knows how to use a period in this sentence) So now knowing that Nick can't break away from a Howard Stern broadcast tells me a little something about him and my choice to no longer listen confirm(confirm?). Idiotic comments (like your own, Ralph) just takes away from credibility of your show you should think about (think about what?). There is is something to the show (incomplete sentence). There is (are) some entertaining factors to the show if you would just leave out crap! PS you might want to consider redoing that commercial where he says "cusamizable" because I never heard of that word before my life (add comma) adios (add period)" Ralph, for someone who clearly never passed grade school. You really should have left off the P.S. portion of the comment where you degraded the Captain for mispronouncing a word when you had 20 grammatical errors in a single post. Adios Muchacho!

    Great interview guys!! What a freakin legend!! You guys keep churning out these great episodes and keep us entertained. One thing that I'd recommend... I thoroughly enjoy the episodes with missing persons i.e Maura Murry & Brian Shaffer. Those keep me glued to my seat, I'm requesting more of those!!

    Dang that Ralph guy up there was mad. But here are all the errors in his comment that prove this man is an illiterate imbecile:

    "I sometimes listen this podcast with my daughter 16 years old (REWRITE : I sometimes listen to this podcast with my 16 year old daughter). And(Never start a sentence with "And") I noticed the captain (comma) who says (add quotations with what the captain says) what's wrong with America is that the people don't know how to become adults. (what follows is 4 sentences mashed together like the potatoes he's about to talk about) This coming from the same person who says he's going to stick his dick in the mashed potatoes (Add period here) I know what you're thinking is if you don't like it then don't listen (add period here) w(capitalize W)ell guess what (comma) you gotten (you've got) me to the point where I'm not going to listen anymore (period) t(capitalize T)here are plenty of True Crime podcast for me to listen to (add period) t(capitalize T)hat's hardly the first time he's made crude and moronic statements. (<--- he clearly knows how to use a period in this sentence) So now knowing that Nick can't break away from a Howard Stern broadcast tells me a little something about him and my choice to no longer listen confirm(confirm?). Idiotic comments (like your own, Ralph) just takes away from credibility of your show you should think about (think about what?). There is is something to the show (incomplete sentence). There is (are) some entertaining factors to the show if you would just leave out crap!
    PS you might want to consider redoing that commercial where he says "cusamizable" because I never heard of that word before my life (add comma) adios (add period)"

    Ralph, for someone who clearly never passed grade school. You really should have left off the P.S. portion of the comment where you degraded the Captain for mispronouncing a word when you had 20 grammatical errors in a single post. Adios Muchacho!

  • mG
    mG tX
    Interesting guy for sure, I maybe question sometimes how accurate his profiles are, but admire his commitment. One question I would love for you to hit him with next time, Nic, is how much info does he need to make a profile. For example. Springfield Three, can you make a profile off of that? I realize that the science is probably finding similarities to arrested people from previous and similar crimes, but would kind of like to know what all goes into it.

    Interesting guy for sure, I maybe question sometimes how accurate his profiles are, but admire his commitment. One question I would love for you to hit him with next time, Nic, is how much info does he need to make a profile. For example. Springfield Three, can you make a profile off of that? I realize that the science is probably finding similarities to arrested people from previous and similar crimes, but would kind of like to know what all goes into it.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Excellent question mG. I think of course it will vary based on crime scene analysis and potential witnesses, ext. But you're right there has to be something. Like in the Eugene Bell / Shari Faye Smith case - they had nothing when he abducted her and it wasn't until after he had her write a letter to her parents that they were able to put together the profile. If you don't remember we covered that December 2018, titled Last Will and Testament. Cheers mG! Nic

    Excellent question mG. I think of course it will vary based on crime scene analysis and potential witnesses, ext. But you're right there has to be something. Like in the Eugene Bell / Shari Faye Smith case - they had nothing when he abducted her and it wasn't until after he had her write a letter to her parents that they were able to put together the profile. If you don't remember we covered that December 2018, titled Last Will and Testament.
    Cheers mG!
    Nic

  • Oregon Buckeye
    Oregon Buckeye Mel's Hole
    Hey guys-- I enjoyed the story-telling aspect to this episode and I'm glad Nick got to interview one of his heroes and favorite author. It was a good show, a good interview, but I want to put this out there-- profiling is largely (but not entirely) bunk science, little more than the equivalent of dowsing or using psychics to solve crime. Many of the same linguistic and common sense tricks employed by fortune tellers are at play here. ("You're looking for a man... (well, most serial killers are men) "He's got a nasty relationship with his mother/father/parents... (we shouldn't expect to find a well-adjusted killer), etc.) They're making guesses based on huge assumptions. Maybe there is some validity in the organized/disorganized killer stuff, but that's not really going to tell you much of instructive, investigative value. The ones in which profilers get close enough to count are the ones you hear about. You don't hear about the hundreds of other profiles that don't match up at all. To bring it back to my mention of diving and dowsing rods-- most places in the US (save Death Valley and the rest of the godforsaken desert) if you dig deep enough, you're eventually going to hit water. Digging multiple holes only increases your odds. There isn't anything magical or particularly skillful about it. And, to paraphrase Ed Kemper from 'Mindhunter' --"You ever realize you're gathering information only from the ones who got caught?' Thanks PS: (The Icebox Killer episode was entertaining as all get-out.)

    Hey guys--

    I enjoyed the story-telling aspect to this episode and I'm glad Nick got to interview one of his heroes and favorite author. It was a good show, a good interview, but I want to put this out there-- profiling is largely (but not entirely) bunk science, little more than the equivalent of dowsing or using psychics to solve crime. Many of the same linguistic and common sense tricks employed by fortune tellers are at play here. ("You're looking for a man... (well, most serial killers are men) "He's got a nasty relationship with his mother/father/parents... (we shouldn't expect to find a well-adjusted killer), etc.) They're making guesses based on huge assumptions. Maybe there is some validity in the organized/disorganized killer stuff, but that's not really going to tell you much of instructive, investigative value. The ones in which profilers get close enough to count are the ones you hear about. You don't hear about the hundreds of other profiles that don't match up at all. To bring it back to my mention of diving and dowsing rods-- most places in the US (save Death Valley and the rest of the godforsaken desert) if you dig deep enough, you're eventually going to hit water. Digging multiple holes only increases your odds. There isn't anything magical or particularly skillful about it.

    And, to paraphrase Ed Kemper from 'Mindhunter' --"You ever realize you're gathering information only from the ones who got caught?'

    Thanks

    PS: (The Icebox Killer episode was entertaining as all get-out.)

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Thank you Oregon Buckeye. Cheers Nic

    Thank you Oregon Buckeye.
    Cheers Nic

  • Ellen
    Ellen AL - Alabama
    You guys are rockstars!! Really cool epi

    You guys are rockstars!! Really cool epi

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Thank you Ellen - we have always wanted to be rockstars and now it is so, according to your kind words. True Crime Garage - Arena Tour - North America and Europe 2021!!! Cheers Nic

    Thank you Ellen - we have always wanted to be rockstars and now it is so, according to your kind words.
    True Crime Garage - Arena Tour - North America and Europe 2021!!!
    Cheers Nic

  • Dr Nana
    Dr Nana
    Not my favorite episode. Had to quit listening as he rambled on and on getting the basic details of the Delphi murders wrong. He clearly didn't bother to prep for your interview, thinks too much of himself. Your show is too good for him. I'll just take in another episode.

    Not my favorite episode. Had to quit listening as he rambled on and on getting the basic details of the Delphi murders wrong. He clearly didn't bother to prep for your interview, thinks too much of himself. Your show is too good for him. I'll just take in another episode.

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