The Moody Massacre ////// 377

36 comments

  • Sam
    Sam Ky
    Great theme music. Loved it!

    Great theme music. Loved it!

  • Jaime
    Jaime Canada
    Please don’t dance around calling statutory rape what it is. An 18 yr old “dating” a 14 yr old is fucking disgusting on every level.

    Please don’t dance around calling statutory rape what it is. An 18 yr old “dating” a 14 yr old is fucking disgusting on every level.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Jaime - agreed. But in all fairness we don’t know that the two had intercourse which of course would be statutory rape. - Nic

    @ Jaime - agreed.
    But in all fairness we don’t know that the two had intercourse which of course would be statutory rape.
    - Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    There were so many strange things going on in this area, Bellefountaine, De Graff and with the Logan County Sheriff’s department that I have to remind myself just how sad and tragic this case is regardless of what REALLY happened. Some of the weirdness we didn’t report simply because it is not likely and unclear that it has anything to do with this case at all. But this one for me was truly a situation where I have a hard time seeing the forest for the trees. What are we missing? I think the Captain and I hit on some of the big stuff that “they” are missing from the investigation. Was this something bigger or other than what we were told it was? The Sheriff said in his statement no amount of scientific investigation will ever tells us what exactly happened there that morning and why... this is such a bizarre statement. The only way this sentence said to the community makes sense is when this follows your release of what scientific evidence you should have. More of a grief counselor type statement like.... this is what happened and this is why we know what we know. If it doesn’t make sense to you do not beat yourself up more sometimes these things are not meant to make sense... Regardless unless we have that very basic of scientific evidence which would be available here - this case just does not make sense. Nic

    There were so many strange things going on in this area, Bellefountaine, De Graff and with the Logan County Sheriff’s department that I have to remind myself just how sad and tragic this case is regardless of what REALLY happened. Some of the weirdness we didn’t report simply because it is not likely and unclear that it has anything to do with this case at all. But this one for me was truly a situation where I have a hard time seeing the forest for the trees. What are we missing? I think the Captain and I hit on some of the big stuff that “they” are missing from the investigation. Was this something bigger or other than what we were told it was? The Sheriff said in his statement no amount of scientific investigation will ever tells us what exactly happened there that morning and why... this is such a bizarre statement. The only way this sentence said to the community makes sense is when this follows your release of what scientific evidence you should have. More of a grief counselor type statement like.... this is what happened and this is why we know what we know. If it doesn’t make sense to you do not beat yourself up more sometimes these things are not meant to make sense...
    Regardless unless we have that very basic of scientific evidence which would be available here - this case just does not make sense.
    Nic

  • Kelly
    Kelly Los Angeles, CA
    Did they check Scott's pants to see if there was any blood splatter from any of the other victims? Or his body? Seems there would be if he was the shooter. The sheriff's department involved here sounds like it had its fair share of creeps for sure but I'm mostly convinced Scott did this.

    Did they check Scott's pants to see if there was any blood splatter from any of the other victims? Or his body? Seems there would be if he was the shooter. The sheriff's department involved here sounds like it had its fair share of creeps for sure but I'm mostly convinced Scott did this.

  • Park
    Park North Texas
    Something that jumped out at me listening was the fact that so many people shot in their "sleep" and the color/condition of their bodies. Could they have died due to other means (poison, strangulation) and shot to puzzle investigators (used loosely). How does someone shoot a gun inside and people sleep through the noise?

    Something that jumped out at me listening was the fact that so many people shot in their "sleep" and the color/condition of their bodies. Could they have died due to other means (poison, strangulation) and shot to puzzle investigators (used loosely). How does someone shoot a gun inside and people sleep through the noise?

  • Deniece
    Deniece Columbus, Ohio
    I remember when this happened. I never knew the strange details, though! It’s irking the hell out of me to know if Scott Moody (or anyone else) had GSR on their person.

    I remember when this happened. I never knew the strange details, though! It’s irking the hell out of me to know if Scott Moody (or anyone else) had GSR on their person.

  • Jason
    Jason NC
    Wow strange case and don't feel like it should be. Even some basic investigation work would paint a much clearer picture. Has it been stated if the rifle found at the scene is the actual murder weapon? It would be so hard for one person to control a house full of people in multiple different room with a 22. So many questions here. Also as an adult the senior dating a freshman thing sounds terrible but as Nic mentioned it definitely happens. I remember several instances of this from high school. And not surprised at all to hear about it in a small town. Sorry no offense Bellefontaine, but it sounds like there is a lot of that going on there Great show. Cheers

    Wow strange case and don't feel like it should be. Even some basic investigation work would paint a much clearer picture. Has it been stated if the rifle found at the scene is the actual murder weapon? It would be so hard for one person to control a house full of people in multiple different room with a 22. So many questions here.
    Also as an adult the senior dating a freshman thing sounds terrible but as Nic mentioned it definitely happens. I remember several instances of this from high school. And not surprised at all to hear about it in a small town. Sorry no offense Bellefontaine, but it sounds like there is a lot of that going on there
    Great show. Cheers

  • Jenni
    Jenni Lex
    Anyone else find it odd the “suicide” involved 2 shots to the head? No one found that odd much less impossible?

    Anyone else find it odd the “suicide” involved 2 shots to the head? No one found that odd much less impossible?

  • Brandi
    Brandi OH
    I am so glad you mentioned the socks! The socks were such a key point. I read Saving Stacy in one day. The book was so good I couldn't put it down. You mention in the podcast that no one heard the gun shots from the grandparents house, that house was far enough away that no one (IMO) could have heard anything. There was a thread on fb after the book launched and Rob St. Clair was very vocal. It was interesting to read his comments. I appreciate you guys covering the case. You did a great job. I grew up in that area and the house it happened in was actually down the road from where I used to live. Keep being awesome and I will see you at Crimecon!!!!

    I am so glad you mentioned the socks! The socks were such a key point. I read Saving Stacy in one day. The book was so good I couldn't put it down. You mention in the podcast that no one heard the gun shots from the grandparents house, that house was far enough away that no one (IMO) could have heard anything. There was a thread on fb after the book launched and Rob St. Clair was very vocal. It was interesting to read his comments. I appreciate you guys covering the case. You did a great job. I grew up in that area and the house it happened in was actually down the road from where I used to live. Keep being awesome and I will see you at Crimecon!!!!

  • Hillary
    Hillary OH
    What a shocking and tragic crime. Not only was nearly an entire family brutally murdered, but also their sleepover guests. It's so sad that the Sheriff's office didn't seem to give a shit that several families and a whole community were victimized by this and provided with no answers. Nick, I agree with you about the sheriff's appearance at the scheduled press conference. It was highly unprofessional and disrespectful to the victims and community to show up in a wrinkled tee shirt and baseball cap. I'm glad you mentioned it because it set up feelings in my gut that something was definitely not right there. Above you wrote "The Sheriff said in his statement no amount of scientific investigation will ever tells us what exactly happened there that morning and why... this is such a bizarre statement." wtf? Was this his attempt at justifying the lack of a real investigation? If he truly believes this then he has no place in LE. You mean to tell me that an allegedly hot-headed teen shot several people in the neck to death, then killed himself with two rifle shots? That doesn't sound very realistic to me. They claim he shot himself, switched gun hands, then shot himself again? Why would someone do that? For a better angle? the fact that most of these victims were shot in the neck stands out to me, but I can't quite put my finger on why that seems so bizarre. I guess maybe if this was a teen on an angry rampage I would expect less precise and more random shots. Excellent point about the white socks Nick. One of the many things that doesn't add up. When the Captain stated "are these cops lazy or just stupid?" I added out loud a third option- shady. I'm glad you guys brought that up later. How else could police so quickly "convict" a killer and close a case? Even in mass shooter scenarios where there are multiple witnesses we still should presume innocence until proven guilty in a court of law. The cop(s) raping (gonna use that term, IMO underage girls are hardly able to give an authority figure like a cop consent) Stacy and allegedly many more girls, is so freaking foul. I really think Nick's idea of a conspiracy of cops killing this family to cover up the potential rape of underage girls, either occurring in the past or on that night, makes sense and warrants investigation. Who knows, maybe these perverts heard there was a party at the Moody house, showed up with the idea of raping some girls, and ended up killing everyone in the two homes? My questions- 1- I know you were unable to provide details due to a lack of available investigative information, and I know that ballistic analysis isn't 100% accurate, but I'm curious if anyone determined if the bullets found in/near the victims were able to be fired from the rifle found near Scott. 2-How were we made aware of the adult men who left the home that morning? Independent investigation? If the police knew about these men, why were they apparently ruled out shortly after the Sheriff left the scene?

    What a shocking and tragic crime. Not only was nearly an entire family brutally murdered, but also their sleepover guests. It's so sad that the Sheriff's office didn't seem to give a shit that several families and a whole community were victimized by this and provided with no answers.

    Nick, I agree with you about the sheriff's appearance at the scheduled press conference. It was highly unprofessional and disrespectful to the victims and community to show up in a wrinkled tee shirt and baseball cap. I'm glad you mentioned it because it set up feelings in my gut that something was definitely not right there. Above you wrote "The Sheriff said in his statement no amount of scientific investigation will ever tells us what exactly happened there that morning and why... this is such a bizarre statement." wtf? Was this his attempt at justifying the lack of a real investigation? If he truly believes this then he has no place in LE.

    You mean to tell me that an allegedly hot-headed teen shot several people in the neck to death, then killed himself with two rifle shots? That doesn't sound very realistic to me. They claim he shot himself, switched gun hands, then shot himself again? Why would someone do that? For a better angle? the fact that most of these victims were shot in the neck stands out to me, but I can't quite put my finger on why that seems so bizarre. I guess maybe if this was a teen on an angry rampage I would expect less precise and more random shots. Excellent point about the white socks Nick. One of the many things that doesn't add up.

    When the Captain stated "are these cops lazy or just stupid?" I added out loud a third option- shady. I'm glad you guys brought that up later. How else could police so quickly "convict" a killer and close a case? Even in mass shooter scenarios where there are multiple witnesses we still should presume innocence until proven guilty in a court of law.
    The cop(s) raping (gonna use that term, IMO underage girls are hardly able to give an authority figure like a cop consent) Stacy and allegedly many more girls, is so freaking foul. I really think Nick's idea of a conspiracy of cops killing this family to cover up the potential rape of underage girls, either occurring in the past or on that night, makes sense and warrants investigation. Who knows, maybe these perverts heard there was a party at the Moody house, showed up with the idea of raping some girls, and ended up killing everyone in the two homes?

    My questions-
    1- I know you were unable to provide details due to a lack of available investigative information, and I know that ballistic analysis isn't 100% accurate, but I'm curious if anyone determined if the bullets found in/near the victims were able to be fired from the rifle found near Scott.
    2-How were we made aware of the adult men who left the home that morning? Independent investigation? If the police knew about these men, why were they apparently ruled out shortly after the Sheriff left the scene?

  • Shannon
    Shannon OH
    I live in this community and would just like to make a couple clarifications.First, Nic never mentioned that the farm was in financial trouble,a lot more could be said about this but Ill leave it alone.Some stated Scott didn't want to take over a farm that was failing and had a lot of financial issues. The babysitter...She was an adult in her early 30s.She was fired from her job, which is another story, and had been having an affair with this officer.He was married she was not.The incident on the baby cam was during the day while the parents were at work.So much more to this story as well.The sitter was friend of mine when we were in school. The county has had several, not like a ton, murders that were also fishy.And the town is spelled Bellefontaine. There is lots more that could be said but I'm just gonna leave it alone. Thanks guys for doing this one!!

    I live in this community and would just like to make a couple clarifications.First, Nic never mentioned that the farm was in financial trouble,a lot more could be said about this but Ill leave it alone.Some stated Scott didn't want to take over a farm that was failing and had a lot of financial issues.
    The babysitter...She was an adult in her early 30s.She was fired from her job, which is another story, and had been having an affair with this officer.He was married she was not.The incident on the baby cam was during the day while the parents were at work.So much more to this story as well.The sitter was friend of mine when we were in school.
    The county has had several, not like a ton, murders that were also fishy.And the town is spelled Bellefontaine.
    There is lots more that could be said but I'm just gonna leave it alone.
    Thanks guys for doing this one!!

  • Tosha
    Tosha Knoxville, TN
    Captain, love the music on this episode!!

    Captain, love the music on this episode!!

  • Clark
    Clark Tulsa
    I'm interested in Scott's shirt. He wasn't wearing one? So he walks to his grandparents his kills them, comes home, kills his family, takes his shirt and shoes off? Did they find a shirt? Did it have blood spatter on it from the previous killings?

    I'm interested in Scott's shirt. He wasn't wearing one? So he walks to his grandparents his kills them, comes home, kills his family, takes his shirt and shoes off? Did they find a shirt? Did it have blood spatter on it from the previous killings?

  • Kelly
    Kelly Parts Unknown
    I ran across this article about Detective Stout and his "conviction"......what a joke: https://www.dispatch.com/article/20080529/news/305299594 "Jon Stout, 39, pleaded guilty earlier this month to a charge of attempted child endangering, a second-degree misdemeanor. He admitted that, several months after the shootings, he had Stacy Moody in his car and considered speeding, which could have put her in danger." Unbelievable. I guess he did plead guilty to that B.S. charge! Sounds to me like there was a lot of shady stuff going on in this town.

    I ran across this article about Detective Stout and his "conviction"......what a joke:
    https://www.dispatch.com/article/20080529/news/305299594

    "Jon Stout, 39, pleaded guilty earlier this month to a charge of attempted child endangering, a second-degree misdemeanor. He admitted that, several months after the shootings, he had Stacy Moody in his car and considered speeding, which could have put her in danger."

    Unbelievable. I guess he did plead guilty to that B.S. charge! Sounds to me like there was a lot of shady stuff going on in this town.

  • cathy
    cathy virginia
    Has anyone looked into or discussed the possibility that Scott was developing schizophrenia or another mental disorder? He was certainly the right age, and that would explain the development of sudden outbursts and anger. And it could very easily explain why a kid everyone insists would never do this did this.

    Has anyone looked into or discussed the possibility that Scott was developing schizophrenia or another mental disorder? He was certainly the right age, and that would explain the development of sudden outbursts and anger. And it could very easily explain why a kid everyone insists would never do this did this.

  • Katie
    Katie Texas
    I have been employed in forensic science for about ten years. I heard it questioned several times during the episode if a GSR (gunshot residue) test had been conducted on Scott. Even if one had been conducted, we would expect him to have GSR present on his person anyway due to the fact that he was the recipient of a gunshot wound. GSR tests can tell you several things (and really nothing at all, in this situation): 1) the person possibly discharged a firearm, 2) the person came in contact with an object which had GSR present on its surface, or 3) the person was in the vicinity of a firearm being discharged. Many crime laboratories will not accept GSR kits for testing from victims of gunshot wounds because GSR would be expected in those instances.

    I have been employed in forensic science for about ten years. I heard it questioned several times during the episode if a GSR (gunshot residue) test had been conducted on Scott. Even if one had been conducted, we would expect him to have GSR present on his person anyway due to the fact that he was the recipient of a gunshot wound. GSR tests can tell you several things (and really nothing at all, in this situation): 1) the person possibly discharged a firearm, 2) the person came in contact with an object which had GSR present on its surface, or 3) the person was in the vicinity of a firearm being discharged. Many crime laboratories will not accept GSR kits for testing from victims of gunshot wounds because GSR would be expected in those instances.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Katie - Thank you! That is good info and also points to why this information was not released as it sounds it would not have been as helpful as one might think. I would still love to know the ballistics - did as they say all of the shots/bullets come from the gun found in Scott's possession or within arms length of where he was found? One issue we have with the four others shot in the Moody house - how did no one wake up and flee after hearing the first shots? Of course someone could have forced them to lay back down and maybe gunfire is what caused Stacy to wake up just before being shot, we don't know. Again thank you for the input! Cheers Nic

    Katie - Thank you!
    That is good info and also points to why this information was not released as it sounds it would not have been as helpful as one might think. I would still love to know the ballistics - did as they say all of the shots/bullets come from the gun found in Scott's possession or within arms length of where he was found? One issue we have with the four others shot in the Moody house - how did no one wake up and flee after hearing the first shots? Of course someone could have forced them to lay back down and maybe gunfire is what caused Stacy to wake up just before being shot, we don't know.
    Again thank you for the input!
    Cheers Nic

  • Caitlyn
    Caitlyn New York
    There is a wonderful short documentary about Stacy Moody on YouTube. It is called “Porcelain Dolls: The Stacy Moody Story” & it is from 2016. Stacy seems like a truly wonderful & kind person; she is beautiful both inside and out. I feel so sorry for her loss, it breaks my heart. According to the film, “Stacy is resolute in her belief that Scott is not the murderer.”

    There is a wonderful short documentary about Stacy Moody on YouTube. It is called “Porcelain Dolls: The Stacy Moody Story” & it is from 2016. Stacy seems like a truly wonderful & kind person; she is beautiful both inside and out. I feel so sorry for her loss, it breaks my heart. According to the film, “Stacy is resolute in her belief that Scott is not the murderer.”

  • Katie
    Katie Texas
    Thank you for the reply! I’m an avid listener. I wondered all of that as well and it absolutely should have been done. It doesn’t add up... Keep up the great work, guys!

    Thank you for the reply! I’m an avid listener.

    I wondered all of that as well and it absolutely should have been done. It doesn’t add up...

    Keep up the great work, guys!

  • Brett
    Brett Syracuse, NY
    "30-year-old douchefuck..."

    "30-year-old douchefuck..."

  • Mary
    Mary OH
    Thank you guys for covering this case! I think you did a fantastic job covering it from all sides!! I am from the area, and actually graduated a year after this from a school across the county. No one ever believed from day one that it was Scott. If you haven’t read the book Saving Stacy, please do! There are so many more details. The crime and corruption in the area is mind boggling. I literally cracked up laughing about the babysitter portion as I had a relative that was related to this man by marriage when it happened, so I remember all of the details from then... lol I am still catching up on old episodes but had to listen to this one as soon as I knew about it, as it’s one I requested as well! Thanks for all you guys do! Cheers! ?

    Thank you guys for covering this case! I think you did a fantastic job covering it from all sides!! I am from the area, and actually graduated a year after this from a school across the county. No one ever believed from day one that it was Scott. If you haven’t read the book Saving Stacy, please do! There are so many more details. The crime and corruption in the area is mind boggling. I literally cracked up laughing about the babysitter portion as I had a relative that was related to this man by marriage when it happened, so I remember all of the details from then... lol I am still catching up on old episodes but had to listen to this one as soon as I knew about it, as it’s one I requested as well!

    Thanks for all you guys do!
    Cheers! ?

  • Mortadell
    Mortadell SEA
    This seems like a case where limited public access to investigation details leads observers to engage in wild speculation and conspiracy theorizing. Covering up an illicit affair with a 15-16 year-old is just insufficient motivation for a sheriff's deputy (however moderately corrupt or incompetent he may have been) to commit bloody murder of 6-7 adults and children. And to suggest that multiple sheriff's officers were in on it too (just to help out their wayward colleague, one supposes?) is that much more implausible. It fails a basic risk-reward analysis. And, as another poster mentioned, if Deputy Stout planned to share in or obtain an inheritance that would come to Stacy Moody, shooting her and leaving her for dead would foil that effort. Either theory also conflicts with Stout's reporting that Stacy denied in her initial interview on-scene that the shooter was Scott Moody. Why would Stout undertake the massive risk and effort of a murder/frame-up plot but not bother to also alter his report of the interview to point the finger at Scott and thereby match the ultimate law enforcement conclusion about the case? How many times have we heard, in the wake of a mass shooting by a teenager, that this was surprising to members of the community, that the teen "didn't seem capable of this," etc? It's utterly standard fare at this point. Mass shootings are statistically rare, and thus to learn the identity of the perpetrator is invariably a surprise to those that knew him (or presumed that they did).

    This seems like a case where limited public access to investigation details leads observers to engage in wild speculation and conspiracy theorizing.

    Covering up an illicit affair with a 15-16 year-old is just insufficient motivation for a sheriff's deputy (however moderately corrupt or incompetent he may have been) to commit bloody murder of 6-7 adults and children. And to suggest that multiple sheriff's officers were in on it too (just to help out their wayward colleague, one supposes?) is that much more implausible. It fails a basic risk-reward analysis. And, as another poster mentioned, if Deputy Stout planned to share in or obtain an inheritance that would come to Stacy Moody, shooting her and leaving her for dead would foil that effort. Either theory also conflicts with Stout's reporting that Stacy denied in her initial interview on-scene that the shooter was Scott Moody. Why would Stout undertake the massive risk and effort of a murder/frame-up plot but not bother to also alter his report of the interview to point the finger at Scott and thereby match the ultimate law enforcement conclusion about the case?

    How many times have we heard, in the wake of a mass shooting by a teenager, that this was surprising to members of the community, that the teen "didn't seem capable of this," etc? It's utterly standard fare at this point. Mass shootings are statistically rare, and thus to learn the identity of the perpetrator is invariably a surprise to those that knew him (or presumed that they did).

  • Lauren
    Lauren NY
    This case is so strange. The lack of investigation is astounding to me. I was really taken by the last bit of this episode when you talked about his white socks. I wasn't able to find a picture of them but I'm assuming that comment implied he wasn't wearing any shoes... So he walked half a mile to kill his grandparents. Came back to the house to kill the rest of his family but stopped to take his shoes off before going room by room to kill everyone and eventually shoot himself? There is something very wrong with this investigation.

    This case is so strange. The lack of investigation is astounding to me. I was really taken by the last bit of this episode when you talked about his white socks. I wasn't able to find a picture of them but I'm assuming that comment implied he wasn't wearing any shoes... So he walked half a mile to kill his grandparents. Came back to the house to kill the rest of his family but stopped to take his shoes off before going room by room to kill everyone and eventually shoot himself? There is something very wrong with this investigation.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Mortadell I'm with you. I don't like conspiracies unless they make sense. Here it does not. We should however double down on somethings when comparing risk/reward in this situation. Here we had speculation that multiple officers were engaging in sex with minors, using and selling drugs and so on. Again this is suspicions but we are talking about, losing jobs, pension, divorce and prison time. Most officers are terrified of serving time especially if they end behind walls with persons they arrested. So it's quite more. However murdering 6-7 people is no small task and I don't think there was any inheritance scheme going on. The investigation should be strongly questioned and highly criticized even if officers are not involved in any way. At one time there was three other males at the Moody house, you have to determine that it was in fact Scott that is responsible for all of this because really anyone could have shot a bunch of people and then placed the gun on Scott. Cheers Nic

    @ Mortadell
    I'm with you. I don't like conspiracies unless they make sense. Here it does not. We should however double down on somethings when comparing risk/reward in this situation. Here we had speculation that multiple officers were engaging in sex with minors, using and selling drugs and so on. Again this is suspicions but we are talking about, losing jobs, pension, divorce and prison time. Most officers are terrified of serving time especially if they end behind walls with persons they arrested. So it's quite more. However murdering 6-7 people is no small task and I don't think there was any inheritance scheme going on. The investigation should be strongly questioned and highly criticized even if officers are not involved in any way. At one time there was three other males at the Moody house, you have to determine that it was in fact Scott that is responsible for all of this because really anyone could have shot a bunch of people and then placed the gun on Scott.
    Cheers Nic

  • Tintin
    Tintin Missouri
    I'd love to hear a follow-up podcast on this case since the narrative doesn't sit right. Seems like a big clue is the time of day of the killings. Who kills people in the morning? Besides Missy Bevers (killed at 4 a.m.), I can't think of too many people killed in the morning.

    I'd love to hear a follow-up podcast on this case since the narrative doesn't sit right. Seems like a big clue is the time of day of the killings. Who kills people in the morning? Besides Missy Bevers (killed at 4 a.m.), I can't think of too many people killed in the morning.

  • mG
    mG tX
    As I listened I was fairly certain that the kid did it. However, how can you close an investigation without running ballistics on the slugs from each victim? This blows my mind. The Captain asks stupid or lazy? How about both.

    As I listened I was fairly certain that the kid did it. However, how can you close an investigation without running ballistics on the slugs from each victim? This blows my mind. The Captain asks stupid or lazy? How about both.

  • Karen
    Karen Indianapolis
    HI - Great podcast! My mom was very good friends and possibly best friend with Sharyl Shafer growing up in Bellfontaine, OH. We used to visit my grandparents and would sometimes stop by the farm. My siblings and I loved it. I really only remember being the barn and seeing cows for what seemed like miles. I could see all the legs because I was so young. I remember I loved going into the house and seeing the porcelain dolls. I also remember meeting Sheri Shafer. I talked to my Mom this morning and told her about this podcast and how well it was done, talking about the Shafer family. I told her it doesn't seem as tho Scott killed his family. She liked that. She told me that Gary and Sharyl were "old shoe" ( I made a joke about old school). She said that by old shoe she meant they were so kind to everyone and stand up people. Always had nice things to say and very welcoming to all of us - meaning my 4 siblings and I. This is such as sad story and I hope that Scott will be found innocent some day. The people that I have met in Bellfontaine and the surrounding area when I was young were wonderful. There was even a sign near the hospital for a Quiet Zone. Thank you so much for this podcast! PS Disregard my previous post due all the errors. I was so excited to see it and didn't review the name spellings.

    HI - Great podcast! My mom was very good friends and possibly best friend with Sharyl Shafer growing up in Bellfontaine, OH. We used to visit my grandparents and would sometimes stop by the farm. My siblings and I loved it. I really only remember being the barn and seeing cows for what seemed like miles. I could see all the legs because I was so young. I remember I loved going into the house and seeing the porcelain dolls. I also remember meeting Sheri Shafer. I talked to my Mom this morning and told her about this podcast and how well it was done, talking about the Shafer family. I told her it doesn't seem as tho Scott killed his family. She liked that. She told me that Gary and Sharyl were "old shoe" ( I made a joke about old school). She said that by old shoe she meant they were so kind to everyone and stand up people. Always had nice things to say and very welcoming to all of us - meaning my 4 siblings and I. This is such as sad story and I hope that Scott will be found innocent some day. The people that I have met in Bellfontaine and the surrounding area when I was young were wonderful. There was even a sign near the hospital for a Quiet Zone.
    Thank you so much for this podcast!
    PS Disregard my previous post due all the errors. I was so excited to see it and didn't review the name spellings.

  • AMANDA
    AMANDA PA
    Hey guys, this is a very disturbing case and I hope TCG takes a deeper dive into some of the theories of this case in the future. It seems like all the pieces to the puzzle are there-- but not quite falling into place. It doesn't make sense that there isn't any sign of the victims waking up from the sound of gunshots, fighting back, trying to run away, etc. So many alarming facts surrounding this tragedy, I hope for some type of reopening of this case is allowed to happen.

    Hey guys, this is a very disturbing case and I hope TCG takes a deeper dive into some of the theories of this case in the future. It seems like all the pieces to the puzzle are there-- but not quite falling into place. It doesn't make sense that there isn't any sign of the victims waking up from the sound of gunshots, fighting back, trying to run away, etc. So many alarming facts surrounding this tragedy, I hope for some type of reopening of this case is allowed to happen.

  • Paul
    Paul UK
    Hi guys, really enjoyed this episode. Couldn't help but notice huge similarities to the case of Jeremy Bamber in 1986 in the UK. Bamber murdered all of the family members at his family home in 1985 and then 'staged' the scene to make it look like us mentally ill sister had committed the murders and then committed suicide. The murder weapon was a silenced rifle. His father was shot in the kitchen, other family members in their beds. He then 'staged' his sister on the floor with the rifle on her chest to make it look like she had committed suicide. As there was no evidence of forced entry or any other person being in the house the lead investigator declared murder/suicide very early. Another officer questioned this decision as the 'suicide victim' had two gunshot wounds. This would eventually lead to an investigation that saw Jeremy Bamber convicted of five murders and sentenced to a life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.

    Hi guys, really enjoyed this episode. Couldn't help but notice huge similarities to the case of Jeremy Bamber in 1986 in the UK. Bamber murdered all of the family members at his family home in 1985 and then 'staged' the scene to make it look like us mentally ill sister had committed the murders and then committed suicide. The murder weapon was a silenced rifle. His father was shot in the kitchen, other family members in their beds. He then 'staged' his sister on the floor with the rifle on her chest to make it look like she had committed suicide. As there was no evidence of forced entry or any other person being in the house the lead investigator declared murder/suicide very early. Another officer questioned this decision as the 'suicide victim' had two gunshot wounds. This would eventually lead to an investigation that saw Jeremy Bamber convicted of five murders and sentenced to a life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.

  • Katie J
    Katie J Parts Unknown
    This was a really great episode. What a mystery this case is. I think you guys covered it well and I enjoyed listening to the discussion between you two as you discussed all the angles. This one is going to stick with me.

    This was a really great episode. What a mystery this case is. I think you guys covered it well and I enjoyed listening to the discussion between you two as you discussed all the angles. This one is going to stick with me.

  • Memphis
    Memphis GA
    Shoutout to the Captain for being the only other person who eats popcorn with parmesan cheese, I knew I wasn't the only one

    Shoutout to the Captain for being the only other person who eats popcorn with parmesan cheese, I knew I wasn't the only one

  • Margi
    Margi Houston
    Now I understand after being a newbie to this site that they don's actually help solve anything, they just review reports, media coverage and internet information. It is still up to the individuals to decipher it all and mentally conclude your own results. Is it worthy?

    Now I understand after being a newbie to this site that they don's actually help solve anything, they just review reports, media coverage and internet information. It is still up to the individuals to decipher it all and mentally conclude your own results. Is it worthy?

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Hi Margi - thanks for posting and listening. I did personally help solve the Barbara Blatnik case which was a cold case from 1987. So there is that - but yes first we are simply reporting cases. Some cases we cover are old, cold and forgotten. We try to help by creating a digital footprint or increasing it and getting new ears on these old cases. It can help and we have been able on a couple of cases to generate some new leads. Of course, we can get personally involved in every case we cover but we have in some. Cheers Nic

    Hi Margi - thanks for posting and listening.
    I did personally help solve the Barbara Blatnik case which was a cold case from 1987.
    So there is that - but yes first we are simply reporting cases. Some cases we cover are old, cold and forgotten. We try to help by creating a digital footprint or increasing it and getting new ears on these old cases. It can help and we have been able on a couple of cases to generate some new leads.
    Of course, we can get personally involved in every case we cover but we have in some.
    Cheers Nic

  • Dan
    Dan Delaware
    Definitely a cover up by the cops, what a bunch of trash. Messing around with 15 and 16 year olds, what the hell.

    Definitely a cover up by the cops, what a bunch of trash. Messing around with 15 and 16 year olds, what the hell.

  • Amy
    Amy Ky
    There’s lots more to this case and others linked to it. With true crime being so close you could really do some digging here.

    There’s lots more to this case and others linked to it. With true crime being so close you could really do some digging here.

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