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  • Shannon

    Shannon Nashville, TN

    I have a one hour commute each way and your Podcasts have made each trip so much better. I'm sad because I've listened to almost every episode. What will I listen to now?

    I have a one hour commute each way and your Podcasts have made each trip so much better. I'm sad because I've listened to almost every episode. What will I listen to now?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Get our show "Off the Record" on stitcher premium. Cheers Nic

    Get our show "Off the Record" on stitcher premium.
    Cheers Nic

  • Doug

    Doug Portland

    Any good intense episodes coming up? or just this "put us to sleep" crap?

    Any good intense episodes coming up? or just this "put us to sleep" crap?

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    True Crime Garage

    Doug Sorry you didn't find this episode interesting. Captain

    Doug

    Sorry you didn't find this episode interesting.

    Captain

  • Ericka

    Ericka TX

    Where can I find the opening music for this episode? So chill.

    Where can I find the opening music for this episode? So chill.

  • Tara

    Tara Grand Rapids

    Very interesting to hear this story and how Huntington's Disease may have played a role. My mother-in-law is in the later stages of Huntington's and my husband is at risk - but hoping to get tested soon! It is truly a horrible disease.

    Very interesting to hear this story and how Huntington's Disease may have played a role. My mother-in-law is in the later stages of Huntington's and my husband is at risk - but hoping to get tested soon! It is truly a horrible disease.

  • Elise

    Elise Oklahoma

    Do you think, in his rare mental state, he cut his father's fingers off because of the sexual abuse allegations he previously made? I know, why wouldn't you cut off the entire hand- but he had a bunch of weird, intense shit going through his head. He was even confused on why he did it. Maybe it was the Grip of his father's fingers in the past that triggered him. I would imagine it would be a lot more humiliating to have your fingers cut off than a hand too. "It only took 5 minutes" anyways. Just a thought. Cheers

    Do you think, in his rare mental state, he cut his father's fingers off because of the sexual abuse allegations he previously made? I know, why wouldn't you cut off the entire hand- but he had a bunch of weird, intense shit going through his head. He was even confused on why he did it. Maybe it was the Grip of his father's fingers in the past that triggered him. I would imagine it would be a lot more humiliating to have your fingers cut off than a hand too. "It only took 5 minutes" anyways.
    Just a thought.
    Cheers

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    I think it was just convenient. Remove the fingers, remove the dentures, drive across the state line and I think he thought they may not be able to identify the found body. If they don't then very likely they wouldn't connect it back to Vince Gilmer. Cheers Nic - Go Duke!

    I think it was just convenient. Remove the fingers, remove the dentures, drive across the state line and I think he thought they may not be able to identify the found body. If they don't then very likely they wouldn't connect it back to Vince Gilmer.
    Cheers Nic - Go Duke!

  • I wonder if Dr. Vince Gilmer’s dad had Huntington’s disease. Has this been explored? They both became ill at a young age and maybe had similiar symptoms. Your podcasts make me look forward to my long commute!

    I wonder if Dr. Vince Gilmer’s dad had Huntington’s disease. Has this been explored? They both became ill at a young age and maybe had similiar symptoms.

    Your podcasts make me look forward to my long commute!

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    True Crime Garage

    Yes I think that is now the general thought regarding Vince Gilmer's father. The papers are not clear what he was in the assisted living facility for - probably many reasons including Huntington's - maybe undiagnosed. cheers Nic

    Yes I think that is now the general thought regarding Vince Gilmer's father. The papers are not clear what he was in the assisted living facility for - probably many reasons including Huntington's - maybe undiagnosed.
    cheers Nic

  • Lindsay

    Lindsay ON

    A little bit of a conspiracy theory, but I think that Vincent Gilmer knew he had Huntington’s and he was going to extremes to hide it. I think he divorced his wife (a doctor) because he didn’t want her to find out. He crashed his car to postpone the recertification test. He self medicated with SSRIs because he was too paranoid to see a doctor. He murdered his dad because he didn’t want a positive diagnosis. I’m not a doctor, but I briefly worked in geriatric mental health. I picked out Huntington’s in the first 15 minutes given his dad’s illness, some of his behaviour, his movements, his handwriting, and age of onset. From what I understand, Vincent grew up watching his dad go through the same thing. When I was in school in the early 2000’s, Huntington’s was a huge part of many different classes. We learned about it in psych, endocrinology, neuroscience, and genetics. It’s interesting, being one of the few fatal disorders caused by a dominant gene. I feel like he must have read about it. He may have put together the pieces given his dad’s health.

    A little bit of a conspiracy theory, but I think that Vincent Gilmer knew he had Huntington’s and he was going to extremes to hide it. I think he divorced his wife (a doctor) because he didn’t want her to find out. He crashed his car to postpone the recertification test. He self medicated with SSRIs because he was too paranoid to see a doctor. He murdered his dad because he didn’t want a positive diagnosis.

    I’m not a doctor, but I briefly worked in geriatric mental health. I picked out Huntington’s in the first 15 minutes given his dad’s illness, some of his behaviour, his movements, his handwriting, and age of onset. From what I understand, Vincent grew up watching his dad go through the same thing. When I was in school in the early 2000’s, Huntington’s was a huge part of many different classes. We learned about it in psych, endocrinology, neuroscience, and genetics. It’s interesting, being one of the few fatal disorders caused by a dominant gene. I feel like he must have read about it. He may have put together the pieces given his dad’s health.

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    That’s a very interesting angle, I think it’s brilliant. Cheers Nic

    That’s a very interesting angle, I think it’s brilliant.
    Cheers Nic

  • Alicia

    Alicia Texas

    As a physician myself, I kept thinking during episode one that this sounded like Huntington’s. During episode two, I was happy to hear that Huntington’s was confirmed. At the same time, this is so tragic and sad. My heart goes out to their family. I don’t think this was a “boring” story at all. I found it very compelling and interesting. And sad.

    As a physician myself, I kept thinking during episode one that this sounded like Huntington’s. During episode two, I was happy to hear that Huntington’s was confirmed. At the same time, this is so tragic and sad. My heart goes out to their family. I don’t think this was a “boring” story at all. I found it very compelling and interesting. And sad.

  • John

    John Elizabethton, TN

    I remember this going down. Everyone in Elizabethton was surprised he wanted a trial here. By the way Tennessee does have the death penalty.

    I remember this going down. Everyone in Elizabethton was surprised he wanted a trial here. By the way Tennessee does have the death penalty.

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    True Crime Garage

    Thank you John, That’s interesting - sorry we missed that. I’m wondering what the angle is then for him? Is it possible they were not executing at the time? I know Ohio had that issue for a few years. Not that it would stop them ultimately from a death sentence but there was some uproar here that if we are not going to use it we should just get rid of it. Cheers Nic

    Thank you John,
    That’s interesting - sorry we missed that. I’m wondering what the angle is then for him? Is it possible they were not executing at the time? I know Ohio had that issue for a few years. Not that it would stop them ultimately from a death sentence but there was some uproar here that if we are not going to use it we should just get rid of it.
    Cheers Nic

  • Nicholas

    Nicholas Missouri

    Usually, it's the Captain of the ship who is reeling in the big catch. This week, however, I fear the Captain was the one being reeled in. First. it was SSRI withdrawal made me do it. Then, lack of serotonin made me do it. Next, childhood sexual abuse made me do it. After that, the head injury made me do it. Now it’s Huntington’s Chorea made me do it. All of these “explanations” looking toward being declared incompetent to stand trial, getting mental health accommodations while in prison, and eventually getting released to receive treatment. The problem here is this: you can’t name a single case of Huntington’s Disease that have ever been directly associated with this type of heinous crime. In fact, using it as an explanation for murder in my opinion is disrespectful to individuals who suffer from this disorder. When individuals are said to have confrontations with legal authorities due to this disease it’s because, based on their movement disorder and slurred speech, they are mistaken for being intoxicated while driving. It is not because of any predilection toward violent behavior. The fact is that the good Doctor owed hundreds of thousands of dollars for the care of his father that he didn’t intend to pay, and he also didn’t intend to rack up any more medical bills. By the way, exactly where was the new, closer nursing home he was supposedly taking his father to? I don’t think it exists, because the Doctor planned to kill his father, ruthlessly strangling him to stop the medical bills, and then cutting off his fingers while he was still alive to conceal his identity, having to strangle him a second time after sawing of his digits in order to finish the job. He had no idea that the nursing home would have printed his father’s name in his clothing because of the father's dementia. If this wasn’t the case, the good Doctor probably would have gotten away with patricide. No wonder he nearly fainted when LE was able to so quickly identify his Dad’s fingerless corpse. I think prison is clearly in the right place for this offender.

    Usually, it's the Captain of the ship who is reeling in the big catch. This week, however, I fear the Captain was the one being reeled in.

    First. it was SSRI withdrawal made me do it. Then, lack of serotonin made me do it. Next, childhood sexual abuse made me do it. After that, the head injury made me do it. Now it’s Huntington’s Chorea made me do it. All of these “explanations” looking toward being declared incompetent to stand trial, getting mental health accommodations while in prison, and eventually getting released to receive treatment. The problem here is this: you can’t name a single case of Huntington’s Disease that have ever been directly associated with this type of heinous crime. In fact, using it as an explanation for murder in my opinion is disrespectful to individuals who suffer from this disorder. When individuals are said to have confrontations with legal authorities due to this disease it’s because, based on their movement disorder and slurred speech, they are mistaken for being intoxicated while driving. It is not because of any predilection toward violent behavior. The fact is that the good Doctor owed hundreds of thousands of dollars for the care of his father that he didn’t intend to pay, and he also didn’t intend to rack up any more medical bills. By the way, exactly where was the new, closer nursing home he was supposedly taking his father to? I don’t think it exists, because the Doctor planned to kill his father, ruthlessly strangling him to stop the medical bills, and then cutting off his fingers while he was still alive to conceal his identity, having to strangle him a second time after sawing of his digits in order to finish the job. He had no idea that the nursing home would have printed his father’s name in his clothing because of the father's dementia. If this wasn’t the case, the good Doctor probably would have gotten away with patricide. No wonder he nearly fainted when LE was able to so quickly identify his Dad’s fingerless corpse. I think prison is clearly in the right place for this offender.

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