Tylee Ryan & JJ Vallow /// 427 /// 428

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  • James Boyette
    James Boyette Idaho Falls, Idaho
    Thank you so much for covering this case!!! Don't know if my email a few months back requesting this case had any impact, but I can't wait to give this a full listen and see what you uncover!!

    Thank you so much for covering this case!!! Don't know if my email a few months back requesting this case had any impact, but I can't wait to give this a full listen and see what you uncover!!

  • SandStorm
    SandStorm Dubai
    as good a rundown as I've read or heard on this crazy case. Looking forward to Part 2

    as good a rundown as I've read or heard on this crazy case. Looking forward to Part 2

  • RACHEL
    RACHEL O-H-I-O
    Loved the reading of Revelation and the verses of the 144,000. That was not the KJV you read from. Interested in what translation you used. Anyways, this woman was nuts :( The sad thing is that the context of her life and her religious beliefs made her mental illness difficult to detect. Some of the teachings of the LDS church border on science fiction and are only loosely based on the Bible . I am not trying to mock anyone's beliefs at all. I myself am part of a religion that frequently is misunderstood and made fun and called weird :) But a quick google search of Joseph Smith and his spectacles for example will illustrate what I mean. When you and your friends are members of a religion whose basic tenets are rather fantastical in the first place, when you start talking about being reincarnated embodiments and zombies, etc, it does not jump off the page at people as cause for alarm like it would if Lori was for example a Lutheran, or Atheist, or one Of JW's like me. Had her beliefs been more unusual in the context of her life, she may have had mental health intervention much sooner and her kids would be alive :(

    Loved the reading of Revelation and the verses of the 144,000. That was not the KJV you read from. Interested in what translation you used. Anyways, this woman was nuts frown The sad thing is that the context of her life and her religious beliefs made her mental illness difficult to detect. Some of the teachings of the LDS church border on science fiction and are only loosely based on the Bible . I am not trying to mock anyone's beliefs at all. I myself am part of a religion that frequently is misunderstood and made fun and called weird smile But a quick google search of Joseph Smith and his spectacles for example will illustrate what I mean. When you and your friends are members of a religion whose basic tenets are rather fantastical in the first place, when you start talking about being reincarnated embodiments and zombies, etc, it does not jump off the page at people as cause for alarm like it would if Lori was for example a Lutheran, or Atheist, or one Of JW's like me. Had her beliefs been more unusual in the context of her life, she may have had mental health intervention much sooner and her kids would be alive frown

  • JC
    JC Raleigh, NC
    The change in the insurance payout was a Shock as she had changed it to herself illegally. While prepping for the Divorce Charles changed the payout on his policy to his sister. Lori secretly had Chad call and pretend to be Charles and change it back to Lori. She knew all the personal details so Chad could fool the insurance agency, and then she changed the passwords and safe words so Charles would be locked out of the policy. Charles had to fight with his own insurance agency to get back into the system and have Lori locked out so she couldn't make any changes. He was finally able to switch the policy payout back to his Sister, unbeknownst to Lori which was why she was so shocked she wasn't getting a dime.

    The change in the insurance payout was a Shock as she had changed it to herself illegally. While prepping for the Divorce Charles changed the payout on his policy to his sister. Lori secretly had Chad call and pretend to be Charles and change it back to Lori. She knew all the personal details so Chad could fool the insurance agency, and then she changed the passwords and safe words so Charles would be locked out of the policy. Charles had to fight with his own insurance agency to get back into the system and have Lori locked out so she couldn't make any changes. He was finally able to switch the policy payout back to his Sister, unbeknownst to Lori which was why she was so shocked she wasn't getting a dime.

  • Val Leonardo
    Val Leonardo Grass Valley Ca
    LOL!!! NIC, La Jolla is pronounced Hoya... Spanish, yo. Fucking love you guys to death!

    LOL!!! NIC, La Jolla is pronounced Hoya... Spanish, yo.
    Fucking love you guys to death!

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ James - yes and thank you for the email @ Rachel - used the International version for the readings @ Val - my bad, we failed to change that during editing Cheers everyone - Nic

    @ James - yes and thank you for the email
    @ Rachel - used the International version for the readings
    @ Val - my bad, we failed to change that during editing
    Cheers everyone - Nic

  • Mandi
    Mandi Arkansas
    "They had to postpone the second coming due to covid" I spit my coffee out with this statement.

    "They had to postpone the second coming due to covid" I spit my coffee out with this statement.

  • Christina
    Christina Waxhaw, NC
    Man. This is one of the most heartbreaking crimes to listen to. Those sweet babies swept up in their mom's insanity. And the fact that their own uncle, someone who could possibly help them, was involved. They just had nowhere to turn...It does seem that Lori did have some mental health issues, however, it seems there is also a lot of premeditation and coverup as well. I feel so bad for those who truly cared for those kiddos...

    Man. This is one of the most heartbreaking crimes to listen to. Those sweet babies swept up in their mom's insanity. And the fact that their own uncle, someone who could possibly help them, was involved. They just had nowhere to turn...It does seem that Lori did have some mental health issues, however, it seems there is also a lot of premeditation and coverup as well. I feel so bad for those who truly cared for those kiddos...

  • Elaine
    Elaine Philly
    if I recall correctly, the dateline ep went on at length about a storage unit and possible criminal activity there. Did your research turn up any more info on that or did that turn out to be a red herring?

    if I recall correctly, the dateline ep went on at length about a storage unit and possible criminal activity there. Did your research turn up any more info on that or did that turn out to be a red herring?

  • Dr. Meow Meow
    Dr. Meow Meow Intersection of first and first
    I don't know if they fell off the truck or if there was some sort of foul play but let me tell you something. I'm not through with that moving company. The ultimate true crime mystery: what happened to the script of...“La Cocina”. Better get on that one guys for episode 500.

    I don't know if they fell off the truck or if there was some sort of foul play but let me tell you something. I'm not through with that moving company.

    The ultimate true crime mystery: what happened to the script of...“La Cocina”. Better get on that one guys for episode 500.

  • Teresa
    Teresa Utah
    Thank you for covering this story. Talk about twisted on so many levels! I have had such a hard time wrapping my head around this case. Nic’s comment a about shooting zombies in the head. 😂😂😂 Love you guys!!

    Thank you for covering this story. Talk about twisted on so many levels! I have had such a hard time wrapping my head around this case. Nic’s comment a about shooting zombies in the head. 😂😂😂 Love you guys!!

  • Tammy
    Tammy Reno, Nv
    I really hope that there will be follow up on this case once it goes to trial. It took one whole episode before the case clicked which one it was. Was the mother officially charged with murder as well?

    I really hope that there will be follow up on this case once it goes to trial. It took one whole episode before the case clicked which one it was. Was the mother officially charged with murder as well?

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Well done Dr. Meow Meow! Cheers with a big glass of Hennigan's! Nic

    Well done Dr. Meow Meow!
    Cheers with a big glass of Hennigan's!
    Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Elaine - the storage unit was a weird part of this story. Some say it was a shrine for the kids. I think they were simply hiding all of the kid's stuff. A shrine is something of importance and significance. When it came time to flee to Hawaii Lori just left all of that stuff behind. The most interesting part and we failed to include this as it is just speculation and our two eps were filled with speculation - maybe too much... The security video footage shows a man - could be Alex, could be Chad no one seems to be for sure but Lori is def there, removing a tire from the back of the Green jeep SUV - believed to be the same in the failed shooting we mentioned. The thought is that this could mean two persons were present and directly involved in the shot taken at Brandon - someone driving and someone else sitting/laying down in the back of the jeep and taking the shot - DC/ BELTWAY SNIPER(S) STYLE. Nic

    @ Elaine - the storage unit was a weird part of this story. Some say it was a shrine for the kids. I think they were simply hiding all of the kid's stuff. A shrine is something of importance and significance. When it came time to flee to Hawaii Lori just left all of that stuff behind. The most interesting part and we failed to include this as it is just speculation and our two eps were filled with speculation - maybe too much... The security video footage shows a man - could be Alex, could be Chad no one seems to be for sure but Lori is def there, removing a tire from the back of the Green jeep SUV - believed to be the same in the failed shooting we mentioned. The thought is that this could mean two persons were present and directly involved in the shot taken at Brandon - someone driving and someone else sitting/laying down in the back of the jeep and taking the shot - DC/ BELTWAY SNIPER(S) STYLE.
    Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Dawn of the Dead a must watch this Halloween!!! Bust out the beer and popcorn - Nic

    Dawn of the Dead a must watch this Halloween!!!
    Bust out the beer and popcorn - Nic

  • Slatts McCracker
    Slatts McCracker Syd Aus
    What’s up with the “paintball gun”? Was it somehow a modified / silenced pistol? Has it been found? What a bloody messed up case!

    What’s up with the “paintball gun”? Was it somehow a modified / silenced pistol? Has it been found?

    What a bloody messed up case!

  • Rachel
    Rachel Parts Unknown
    For what it's worth, I'm LDS and I'm super confused by what Lori and Chad claim to believe. The 144,000 people being saved, the "zombies", the idea that Jesus's second coming would be known to anyone on earth, the idea that you could *ever* justify killing someone as somehow being part of a religious mission... Just so we're clear, these are not and never have been part of LDS doctrine or teachings. These two are sick, twisted and weird. It's such a shame that these people try to use religion to justify killing their children (and possibly spouses).

    For what it's worth, I'm LDS and I'm super confused by what Lori and Chad claim to believe. The 144,000 people being saved, the "zombies", the idea that Jesus's second coming would be known to anyone on earth, the idea that you could *ever* justify killing someone as somehow being part of a religious mission... Just so we're clear, these are not and never have been part of LDS doctrine or teachings. These two are sick, twisted and weird. It's such a shame that these people try to use religion to justify killing their children (and possibly spouses).

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Slatts - I think Tammy incorrectly identified this "real" gun for a paintball gun. Likely thought it was so bizarre that it had to be a teenager with a paintball gun pulling some kind of prank when in reality it likely was an attempt on her life. - Nic

    @ Slatts - I think Tammy incorrectly identified this "real" gun for a paintball gun. Likely thought it was so bizarre that it had to be a teenager with a paintball gun pulling some kind of prank when in reality it likely was an attempt on her life.
    - Nic

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    True Crime Garage
    @ Rachel and all - exactly right - this case and their crimes have nothing to do with LDS or really any commonly practiced religion. This is at least 4 people that I can tell deciding to kill their family members for reasons us good people will never be able to understand. Cheers to all - be kind - Nic

    @ Rachel and all - exactly right - this case and their crimes have nothing to do with LDS or really any commonly practiced religion. This is at least 4 people that I can tell deciding to kill their family members for reasons us good people will never be able to understand.
    Cheers to all - be kind - Nic

  • Matt
    Matt Virginia
    Was a toxicology report ever done on Alex? One of the side effects of some heart medications is the loosening of clots, which can then cause problems of their own. It is possible to intentionally overdose on this stuff (a friend did this). Could Alex have done this?

    Was a toxicology report ever done on Alex? One of the side effects of some heart medications is the loosening of clots, which can then cause problems of their own. It is possible to intentionally overdose on this stuff (a friend did this). Could Alex have done this?

  • Brett
    Brett Bear Lake Idaho
    Yes!!! You covered it!!

    Yes!!! You covered it!!

  • Susan
    Susan Wayne, IL
    Wow, what a horrific trio of horrible creatures. Great job at making such an insane story in a clear, succinct way. Great sum up! I am a Christian, I’ve taken many Bible classes on Revelation and there are several schools of thought: - It’s all symbolic, it’s literal, or it’s a bit of both. Our pastor always said that the whole message is this- bad things will happen, good things will happen, we are constantly headed to the end, but be at peace, God is in control, all will be good in the end. I do believe in heaven and hell, and I do believe some sins call for more punishment and I think especially to those who twist the Bible to justify heinous acts. Many thoughts and prayers for the true loved ones of these children and other victims 💔💔💔

    Wow, what a horrific trio of horrible creatures. Great job at making such an insane story in a clear, succinct way. Great sum up! I am a Christian, I’ve taken many Bible classes on Revelation and there are several schools of thought: - It’s all symbolic, it’s literal, or it’s a bit of both. Our pastor always said that the whole message is this- bad things will happen, good things will happen, we are constantly headed to the end, but be at peace, God is in control, all will be good in the end. I do believe in heaven and hell, and I do believe some sins call for more punishment and I think especially to those who twist the Bible to justify heinous acts.
    Many thoughts and prayers for the true loved ones of these children and other victims 💔💔💔

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Matt - I believe they are now looking at all of the deaths surrounding these two. What they are releasing publicly has really been shut down. I think they are trying to figure what and how many changes to hit them both with and I think they could be tried together on some of the charges and not some of the charges. This will unfortunately probably make some kind of court history case/lesson and so on. Best Nic

    @ Matt - I believe they are now looking at all of the deaths surrounding these two. What they are releasing publicly has really been shut down. I think they are trying to figure what and how many changes to hit them both with and I think they could be tried together on some of the charges and not some of the charges. This will unfortunately probably make some kind of court history case/lesson and so on.
    Best Nic

  • Camille
    Camille Battle Ground, WA
    I lived and worked in Southern ID/Northern UT for 5 years. Combine rural, isolated communities with a particularly fervent branch of religion and you've got a recipe for disaster. This is sadly not the first case in that area involving murders/mysterious deaths and persons claiming religious ideals as their motives. It's not unusual for mental illness to be mistaken for religious fervor in the Intermountain West culture. The light/dark spirit thing is a common theme in extreme branches of Christianity. My mother spouted similar things as my siblings and I grew up in the Evangelical church. She even went so far as to once say my own brother was a dark spirit. Needless to say, they don't have a great relationship now that he's adult...

    I lived and worked in Southern ID/Northern UT for 5 years. Combine rural, isolated communities with a particularly fervent branch of religion and you've got a recipe for disaster. This is sadly not the first case in that area involving murders/mysterious deaths and persons claiming religious ideals as their motives. It's not unusual for mental illness to be mistaken for religious fervor in the Intermountain West culture.

    The light/dark spirit thing is a common theme in extreme branches of Christianity. My mother spouted similar things as my siblings and I grew up in the Evangelical church. She even went so far as to once say my own brother was a dark spirit. Needless to say, they don't have a great relationship now that he's adult...

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    thank you for posting Camille - Cheers Nic

    thank you for posting Camille - Cheers Nic

  • RACHEL
    RACHEL O-H-I-O
    @Camille, thank you for expressing more succinctly what I meant to say. I'm afraid my comment may have come off as insulting to another reader of the blog :) But I agree whole heartedly with what you said and I may have just expounded on it a little too far for a public forum. Sad story all around.

    @Camille, thank you for expressing more succinctly what I meant to say. I'm afraid my comment may have come off as insulting to another reader of the blog smile But I agree whole heartedly with what you said and I may have just expounded on it a little too far for a public forum. Sad story all around.

  • Sarah
    Sarah
    I'm LDS, and as the details of what this small offshoot sect believed came out in the press, most of us were just stunned that anyone could twist our beliefs into something so crazy. I mean, the Book of Revelation is a little weird, and there's so much symbolism that it's hard to work out exactly what John is talking about, but...yeah, they were nuts. That interpretation was ridiculous. I feel so bad for those poor kids and for the spouses who got caught up in all of this through no fault of their own.

    I'm LDS, and as the details of what this small offshoot sect believed came out in the press, most of us were just stunned that anyone could twist our beliefs into something so crazy. I mean, the Book of Revelation is a little weird, and there's so much symbolism that it's hard to work out exactly what John is talking about, but...yeah, they were nuts. That interpretation was ridiculous.

    I feel so bad for those poor kids and for the spouses who got caught up in all of this through no fault of their own.

  • Crystal R
    Crystal R Alaska
    The new sweatshirt should definitely say: “Zombie Fliicky Flicky “

    The new sweatshirt should definitely say:
    “Zombie Fliicky Flicky “

  • Mark
    Mark UK
    Listening to episodes, whilst enjoy a Saturday morning dog walk, and wonder if I'm the only one who thinks a 'Zombie Flicky Flicky' hoodie would be awesome?!

    Listening to episodes, whilst enjoy a Saturday morning dog walk, and wonder if I'm the only one who thinks a 'Zombie Flicky Flicky' hoodie would be awesome?!

  • T.Clark
    T.Clark
    Unfortunately we have a problem as a society of over looking "religious nuts" till the situation escalates too far. I work primarily with forensic psychological patients. Almost all of them hold some sort of odd religious belief that obviously make no sense even to religious people. Then again I'm not sure how law enforcement could address that issue and not deal with lawsuits concerning freedom of religion. Definitely a tangled web and Unfortunately the truly innocent are typically the ones who end up suffering.

    Unfortunately we have a problem as a society of over looking "religious nuts" till the situation escalates too far. I work primarily with forensic psychological patients. Almost all of them hold some sort of odd religious belief that obviously make no sense even to religious people.

    Then again I'm not sure how law enforcement could address that issue and not deal with lawsuits concerning freedom of religion. Definitely a tangled web and Unfortunately the truly innocent are typically the ones who end up suffering.

  • Shannon
    Shannon OH
    Thanks for the episode guys! If I'm understanding the Revelation passages correctly the 144000 were to be the leaders...all male! Is it known when Lori became so involved with the religion, books, and podcast by Chad? Will Lori be charged with collecting Social Security benefits for the children from Charles death when they were already deceased? I honestly feel Lori and Chad are mentally ill BUT not to the point where they cannot be held criminally responsible.I feel Lori and her defense team might try to use mental illness as a defense strategy! Her first court appearance with her bright red lipstick definitely let the world know how narcissistic she really is! Captain, thanks for the laughs! Sometimes rough situations need something to take away the edge.Wonderful music as always! Nic, thanks for the great research and story telling! Apologies, I realize my post is all over the place but there's just so many thoughts and questions about this unique case. Prayers to all of the victims families. Prayers for Loris oldest son who tried so hard to get his mom to tell him where Tylee and JJ were at. God bless him! Thanks again guys!

    Thanks for the episode guys!
    If I'm understanding the Revelation passages correctly the 144000 were to be the leaders...all male!
    Is it known when Lori became so involved with the religion, books, and podcast by Chad?
    Will Lori be charged with collecting Social Security benefits for the children from Charles death when they were already deceased?
    I honestly feel Lori and Chad are mentally ill BUT not to the point where they cannot be held criminally responsible.I feel Lori and her defense team might try to use mental illness as a defense strategy! Her first court appearance with her bright red lipstick definitely let the world know how narcissistic she really is!
    Captain, thanks for the laughs! Sometimes rough situations need something to take away the edge.Wonderful music as always!
    Nic, thanks for the great research and story telling!
    Apologies, I realize my post is all over the place but there's just so many thoughts and questions about this unique case.
    Prayers to all of the victims families. Prayers for Loris oldest son who tried so hard to get his mom to tell him where Tylee and JJ were at. God bless him!
    Thanks again guys!

  • mG
    mG tX
    I really have a hard time applying legitimacy to one fabricated religion over another. Examine the evolution of the Mormons and you will see why it isn't that much of a stretch to see how members could totally break from reality, they already broke when they embraced the original religion.

    I really have a hard time applying legitimacy to one fabricated religion over another. Examine the evolution of the Mormons and you will see why it isn't that much of a stretch to see how members could totally break from reality, they already broke when they embraced the original religion.

  • Mia
    Mia Parts Unknown
    This case is just pure sad and crazy as hell. The famous use your religion to justify killing. I feel for those children and the families members that truly loved and cared about them. I think Lori and Chad were confused about who the zombies really were cause I am sure when they looked in the mirror they saw them. This is my own personal opinion. I think no jury, no trial, straight to execution for these two. Lori and Chad are so use to getting away with whatever they want that it is time to put them in their place big time.

    This case is just pure sad and crazy as hell. The famous use your religion to justify killing. I feel for those children and the families members that truly loved and cared about them. I think Lori and Chad were confused about who the zombies really were cause I am sure when they looked in the mirror they saw them. This is my own personal opinion. I think no jury, no trial, straight to execution for these two. Lori and Chad are so use to getting away with whatever they want that it is time to put them in their place big time.

  • Debby Sullivan
    Debby Sullivan
    First, I must say I LOVED the music for this episode- very New Agey! ❤ Great job once again... what a horrible bunch of people! People who kill their own kids are the lowest of the low. This crazy bitch is up there with Diane Downs and Susan Smith. I hope they all rot in prison

    First, I must say I LOVED the music for this episode- very New Agey! ❤
    Great job once again... what a horrible bunch of people! People who kill their own kids are the lowest of the low. This crazy bitch is up there with Diane Downs and Susan Smith. I hope they all rot in prison

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Hi Shannon, Lori really got into Chad's books around 2015 so pretty recent all things considered. I think the prosecutors are strongly looking at what to charge who with. One problem likely will be that both Chad and Lori will blame the dead brother for the actual murder. My thoughts are you go hard after Chad because you have the leverage that the bodies were found on his property. hE IS A SNAKE - SUPER SNAKE. He would likely roll on Lori to save his butt. Then charge Lori with everything thing under the sun. Even with cooperation, I want a full confession. Cheers and we should start to see some really good movement on this one soon. Nic

    Hi Shannon,
    Lori really got into Chad's books around 2015 so pretty recent all things considered. I think the prosecutors are strongly looking at what to charge who with. One problem likely will be that both Chad and Lori will blame the dead brother for the actual murder. My thoughts are you go hard after Chad because you have the leverage that the bodies were found on his property. hE IS A SNAKE - SUPER SNAKE. He would likely roll on Lori to save his butt. Then charge Lori with everything thing under the sun. Even with cooperation, I want a full confession.
    Cheers and we should start to see some really good movement on this one soon.
    Nic

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