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  • Helsey
    Helsey Australia
    Come on captain only 52 seconds in n a crude remark not funny just rude im in no way a prude but man I turned straight off n this is my favourite show in all media's . Ppl of SA find this very uncomfortable (yes I'm one of them) maybe boys u could keep that in mind some of us survive their attacker n thank God 🙏 but it does change u in many ways like feeling uncomfortable with crude or sexual remarks that are out of plc

    Come on captain only 52 seconds in n a crude remark not funny just rude im in no way a prude but man I turned straight off n this is my favourite show in all media's . Ppl of SA find this very uncomfortable (yes I'm one of them) maybe boys u could keep that in mind some of us survive their attacker n thank God 🙏 but it does change u in many ways like feeling uncomfortable with crude or sexual remarks that are out of plc

  • Steve
    Steve West Des Moines
    Have you guys considered covering the Ashley Okland case? She was a 28 yr old real estate agent murdered in West Des Moines, Iowa 10 years ago and is still unsolved. Thanks

    Have you guys considered covering the Ashley Okland case? She was a 28 yr old real estate agent murdered in West Des Moines, Iowa 10 years ago and is still unsolved. Thanks

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Hi Helsey, I always present each case with the idea that very likely survivors of horrific ordeals may be listening. As well as survivors of the case we are actively discussing. I am only one half of the voices you hear and I don't censor others but I certainly hear you. Thanks for posting and hopefully next week we can get back on your good side. Until then cheers. Nic

    Hi Helsey,
    I always present each case with the idea that very likely survivors of horrific ordeals may be listening. As well as survivors of the case we are actively discussing. I am only one half of the voices you hear and I don't censor others but I certainly hear you.
    Thanks for posting and hopefully next week we can get back on your good side. Until then cheers.
    Nic

  • Edwina
    Edwina BC
    thank you for covering Canadian cases. You guys always make me laugh, well mostly Captain does, but Nic's responses sometimes are funny too. But all laughing aside I know that you guys are two really good men and I really enjoy hearing your discussions on the cases that you cover.

    thank you for covering Canadian cases. You guys always make me laugh, well mostly Captain does, but Nic's responses sometimes are funny too. But all laughing aside I know that you guys are two really good men and I really enjoy hearing your discussions on the cases that you cover.

  • Helsey
    Helsey Australia
    Thanks for hearing me nic n not taking offence and u are never on my bad side xx

    Thanks for hearing me nic n not taking offence and u are never on my bad side xx

  • Slatts McCracker
    Slatts McCracker Syd, Aus
    I wasn’t going to get on here about OTR this week, but Capt brought it up. There are probably only a handful of cases I can’t re-hear. Jessica Chambers is one. The subject of OTR is now one of them. Well done for not releasing this while that bastard was still alive. Just a horrible case

    I wasn’t going to get on here about OTR this week, but Capt brought it up.

    There are probably only a handful of cases I can’t re-hear. Jessica Chambers is one. The subject of OTR is now one of them. Well done for not releasing this while that bastard was still alive.

    Just a horrible case

  • RACHEL
    RACHEL O-H-I-O
    I too came here to comment on OTR. Thanks for the warning! I turned it off at 17:36. I am here for the mystery/psychological element of crime. I don't need gore or darkness. Too much of that in the world as it is <3 So thank you thank you thank you for sparing me by issuing that warning! :)

    I too came here to comment on OTR. Thanks for the warning! I turned it off at 17:36. I am here for the mystery/psychological element of crime. I don't need gore or darkness. Too much of that in the world as it is <3 So thank you thank you thank you for sparing me by issuing that warning! smile

  • Ripley
    Ripley Syracuse, NY
    Helsey, His remark was a reference to the movie Step Brothers.

    Helsey,

    His remark was a reference to the movie Step Brothers.

  • Deano
    Deano Yorkshire, England
    Helsey, not sure how long you’ve been listening but I wouldn’t change these two at all. They know when to joke and when to be companionate, how is the captains silly comment any relation to victims of serious crime and survivors of attackers? Some times we need a little comedy and sillyness to balance the abhorrent acts discussed in true crime. Timing is key and 52 seconds in is more than acceptable, lighten up or maybe stop listening to true crime if it triggers you as a survivor.

    Helsey, not sure how long you’ve been listening but I wouldn’t change these two at all. They know when to joke and when to be companionate, how is the captains silly comment any relation to victims of serious crime and survivors of attackers? Some times we need a little comedy and sillyness to balance the abhorrent acts discussed in true crime. Timing is key and 52 seconds in is more than acceptable, lighten up or maybe stop listening to true crime if it triggers you as a survivor.

  • Melissa A
    Melissa A Colorado
    Love u guys. Would love to hear your take on Laci Peterson case.

    Love u guys. Would love to hear your take on Laci Peterson case.

  • Gail
    Gail Berkeley
    Now that I’ve gotten through all the old episodes, I have suggestions for future cases: 1. During the Aliza Sherman case, you both discussed how unlikely it would be for a hired killer to pass on a message from the person hiring him. I won’t give spoilers but the murders of race car driver Mickey Thompson and his wife Trudy are an example where the hit men did apparently deliver their chilling message. 2. One of the most heart-breaking cases/mysteries is the Main Line Murders of Susan Reinert and her still missing children Karen and Michael. There are several books and even a movie - Echoes in the Darkness with Stockard Channing and Peter Coyote. This one is infuriating for many reasons. Reading the Joseph Wambaugh book you get the idea at least some cops felt Susan deserved her murder for being so gullible. Even though many people were conned! Also every source uses the same picture of her, which I assume is the most unflattering one out there. She was a high school teacher - there have to be multiple yearbook pictures of her to choose from. Anyway, I would like to see her story revisited with some respect and compassion for her. The mental agony she must have gone through when she realized everything is something I can only imagine. 3. Finally, this one would be a little different - the terrible Schoharie limousine accident where 20 people were killed. Tragic enough but when you research it, I think you will come to the conclusion that it was more than an accident.

    Now that I’ve gotten through all the old episodes, I have suggestions for future cases:
    1. During the Aliza Sherman case, you both discussed how unlikely it would be for a hired killer to pass on a message from the person hiring him. I won’t give spoilers but the murders of race car driver Mickey Thompson and his wife Trudy are an example where the hit men did apparently deliver their chilling message.
    2. One of the most heart-breaking cases/mysteries is the Main Line Murders of Susan Reinert and her still missing children Karen and Michael. There are several books and even a movie - Echoes in the Darkness with Stockard Channing and Peter Coyote. This one is infuriating for many reasons. Reading the Joseph Wambaugh book you get the idea at least some cops felt Susan deserved her murder for being so gullible. Even though many people were conned! Also every source uses the same picture of her, which I assume is the most unflattering one out there. She was a high school teacher - there have to be multiple yearbook pictures of her to choose from. Anyway, I would like to see her story revisited with some respect and compassion for her. The mental agony she must have gone through when she realized everything is something I can only imagine.
    3. Finally, this one would be a little different - the terrible Schoharie limousine accident where 20 people were killed. Tragic enough but when you research it, I think you will come to the conclusion that it was more than an accident.

  • Chris
    Chris Canada
    Agree with Helsey from Australia. The creepy Captain and his purvy remarks are so over the top it really ruins the vibe for the podcast. Great content and material though but easily gets mired by his uncontrollably spurts of cringey, sexual comments. Ewwwwwww.

    Agree with Helsey from Australia. The creepy Captain and his purvy remarks are so over the top it really ruins the vibe for the podcast. Great content and material though but easily gets mired by his uncontrollably spurts of cringey, sexual comments. Ewwwwwww.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Hi Melissa, We covered the Peterson case a couple years back. I'm happy to report through a lot of hard work all of our old episodes are now available every where for FREE - SiriusXM, Stitcher, where ever you choose to listen. Cheers Nic

    Hi Melissa,
    We covered the Peterson case a couple years back. I'm happy to report through a lot of hard work all of our old episodes are now available every where for FREE - SiriusXM, Stitcher, where ever you choose to listen.
    Cheers Nic

  • Sam
    Sam British Columbia
    Have you ever covered Serial Killer Robert Pickton?

    Have you ever covered Serial Killer Robert Pickton?

  • Kell
    Kell Arizona
    Re. OTR #122 (Is there somewhere to comment on that show, other than here?) You mentioned the Lucas family robbing somebody outside their building. I'm wondering if perhaps Kelsie's body might well be in Lake Minnequa (next to St Mary-Corwin), where the fisherman reported seeing what might have been a skull. It seems like the Lucas can't family can't process cause and effect very well. If they're dumb enough to rob somebody in their immediate neighborhood, why wouldn't they be dumb enough to dump a body within walking distance from where they left the car?

    Re. OTR #122 (Is there somewhere to comment on that show, other than here?) You mentioned the Lucas family robbing somebody outside their building. I'm wondering if perhaps Kelsie's body might well be in Lake Minnequa (next to St Mary-Corwin), where the fisherman reported seeing what might have been a skull. It seems like the Lucas can't family can't process cause and effect very well. If they're dumb enough to rob somebody in their immediate neighborhood, why wouldn't they be dumb enough to dump a body within walking distance from where they left the car?

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Sam and Kell, We have not covered Pickton yet. It’s on our list. Typically we don’t have separate blogs set up for the OTR content but to answer your question. I don’t know why? Obviously this points to a lack of criminal sophistication. They likely were acting in haste and maybe not planning out as they go. I’m just glad we are getting some results Cheers to all and thanks for posting. Nic

    @ Sam and Kell,
    We have not covered Pickton yet. It’s on our list.

    Typically we don’t have separate blogs set up for the OTR content but to answer your question. I don’t know why? Obviously this points to a lack of criminal sophistication. They likely were acting in haste and maybe not planning out as they go. I’m just glad we are getting some results

    Cheers to all and thanks for posting. Nic

  • Kailey
    Kailey Ohio
    Captain, I love ya but I respectfully disagree with the study that you brought up regarding people not becoming good at sniffing out bs. To be fair I didn’t read the book and don’t know how they conducted the study and there are a million different ways you can swing a study in whatever favor you believe in. I’m not sure if the study was just for law enforcement or people in general but as a veteran er nurse of 18 years and experience in sexual assault nurse examiner , my job is to be a medical detective . Assessing someone before they even open their mouth. Skin color, breathing rate, general appearance etc. I feel like I’ve gotten really good at sniffing out non truths . Not that I can tell what someone is lying or exaggerating about just that there is something that doesn’t add up. Not to say I haven’t been humbled by being wrong but typically we can tell when there’s a layer of bs. It’s a good thing too or we’d kill people. The pain seeker that says I’m in so much pain while eating a cheeseburger and talking on their cellphone does not need more pain meds, they probably need an intervention. We will have to shake someone awake to ask them if they are still having pain and they’ll say yes. If we dont listen we could kill or mt Carmel them (sorry bad joke). The abused wife that says her bruises are from falling down the stairs but her husband won’t leave her alone with us for 2 seconds. I could go on and on and on . The gang member who’s shot and literally every person in the lobby is his “cousin”..... ok I’ll stop now. The point is if we didn’t get good at reading between the lines we would suck at our jobs. The same as detectives who I’m sure are even more keen on certain things. I would love to participate in a study with nurses vs the rest of the world or law enforcement vs everyone else. I’m sure it’s not 100% or near but I’m willing to bet the average would be higher. When there are new nurses it’s fun to see how gullible they are (and I was) before you are nonverbally trained in the art of reading people. So maybe we aren’t lie detectors we are “this doesn’t add up” or “something is a miss here”. Love ya both! Keep the snarky comments coming. We need them to get through some of the horrible things that happen. ( another learned behavior from years of seeing death and chaos in human beings... dark sense of humor). Ps it’s glioblastoma- glee-oh- blast- oh-ma :)

    Captain,
    I love ya but I respectfully disagree with the study that you brought up regarding people not becoming good at sniffing out bs. To be fair I didn’t read the book and don’t know how they conducted the study and there are a million different ways you can swing a study in whatever favor you believe in. I’m not sure if the study was just for law enforcement or people in general but as a veteran er nurse of 18 years and experience in sexual assault nurse examiner , my job is to be a medical detective . Assessing someone before they even open their mouth. Skin color, breathing rate, general appearance etc. I feel like I’ve gotten really good at sniffing out non truths . Not that I can tell what someone is lying or exaggerating about just that there is something that doesn’t add up. Not to say I haven’t been humbled by being wrong but typically we can tell when there’s a layer of bs. It’s a good thing too or we’d kill people. The pain seeker that says I’m in so much pain while eating a cheeseburger and talking on their cellphone does not need more pain meds, they probably need an intervention. We will have to shake someone awake to ask them if they are still having pain and they’ll say yes. If we dont listen we could kill or mt Carmel them (sorry bad joke). The abused wife that says her bruises are from falling down the stairs but her husband won’t leave her alone with us for 2 seconds. I could go on and on and on . The gang member who’s shot and literally every person in the lobby is his “cousin”..... ok I’ll stop now. The point is if we didn’t get good at reading between the lines we would suck at our jobs. The same as detectives who I’m sure are even more keen on certain things. I would love to participate in a study with nurses vs the rest of the world or law enforcement vs everyone else. I’m sure it’s not 100% or near but I’m willing to bet the average would be higher. When there are new nurses it’s fun to see how gullible they are (and I was) before you are nonverbally trained in the art of reading people. So maybe we aren’t lie detectors we are “this doesn’t add up” or “something is a miss here”. Love ya both! Keep the snarky comments coming. We need them to get through some of the horrible things that happen. ( another learned behavior from years of seeing death and chaos in human beings... dark sense of humor).
    Ps it’s glioblastoma- glee-oh- blast- oh-ma smile

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