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  • Sammie
    Sammie Louisville
    Great music intro. Looking forward to part 2! Awesome job guys.

    Great music intro. Looking forward to part 2! Awesome job guys.

  • Justene
    Justene MN
    Love the moonlight sonata remix!

    Love the moonlight sonata remix!

  • James
    James TX
    What a fascinating case, looking forward to the ending tomorrow. While I find Eddie's story completely nonsensical, I also find it hard to believe that you could stab a person 98 times and not get blood on your clothes. I'm honestly not sure which of the two is less believable. Great episode. Can't wait to hear the rest tomorrow.

    What a fascinating case, looking forward to the ending tomorrow. While I find Eddie's story completely nonsensical, I also find it hard to believe that you could stab a person 98 times and not get blood on your clothes. I'm honestly not sure which of the two is less believable.

    Great episode. Can't wait to hear the rest tomorrow.

  • Helsey
    Helsey sydney Australia
    you guys are on 🔥 last weeks case amazing n this week just as riviting carnt wait for part two im not even going to give it a google . If there was Olympics for true crime podcast all anyone would hear is gold , gold gold to TCG again 🏅🏅🏅. hugs 💜

    you guys are on 🔥 last weeks case amazing n this week just as riviting carnt wait for part two im not even going to give it a google . If there was Olympics for true crime podcast all anyone would hear is
    gold , gold gold to TCG again 🏅🏅🏅.
    hugs 💜

  • Christina
    Christina NC
    I agree with Sammie! REALLY digging the intro music, Captain! I haven't even gotten into the episode yet, but had to hop on here to let you know!

    I agree with Sammie! REALLY digging the intro music, Captain! I haven't even gotten into the episode yet, but had to hop on here to let you know!

  • Richard
    Richard New Zealand
    Great episode this week, guys. Have to differ with others tho, the musical elements sounded like a small animal in extreme discomfort. Captain, you're absolutely right on the money re people acting like adults in today's screwy world.

    Great episode this week, guys. Have to differ with others tho, the musical elements sounded like a small animal in extreme discomfort. Captain, you're absolutely right on the money re people acting like adults in today's screwy world.

  • Shannon
    Shannon Louisville
    My fav podcast!!! Love every episode guys!

    My fav podcast!!! Love every episode guys!

  • Know the truth
    Know the truth Home
    https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/453/13/484896/ Read the truth , this guy is a clown , knows absolutely nothing about the case . Do your fact checking buddy .

    https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/453/13/484896/ Read the truth , this guy is a clown , knows absolutely nothing about the case . Do your fact checking buddy .

  • Michelle D
    Michelle D Minnesota
    This is one of the most sad cases. He was caught up in a trail of adults not completing their jobs or following through on the investigation. I agree Captain, common sense is totally missing from the injustice system.

    This is one of the most sad cases. He was caught up in a trail of adults not completing their jobs or following through on the investigation. I agree Captain, common sense is totally missing from the injustice system.

  • Artie
    Artie Vermu
    My name is Artie Ortiz I was Janet Downing’s brother-in-law this is all lies about me.

    My name is Artie Ortiz I was Janet Downing’s brother-in-law this is all lies about me.

  • Crystal R.
    Crystal R. Alaska
    This is outrageous! Something needs to be done to help this guy!

    This is outrageous! Something needs to be done to help this guy!

  • Wasbash_Sphinx
    Wasbash_Sphinx Indiana
    Happy to see you got the nits out of Somerville.

    Happy to see you got the nits out of Somerville.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Know the truth - I read the appellate-courts summary 12 days before you provided it. I took that into account when preparing for this week's show. You say "do your fact-checking" - well that my friend was done and in the end, the "truth" is I strongly question a lot of what you call "facts." I also question anyone that posts their name as - Know the truth from Home. Are you Artie Ortiz? I also reviewed the lawsuit brought by Ortiz against Time Warner, Liberty Media, and the O'Brien's for defamation - how'd that work out? Review the actual trial - the deck was already stacked once they got to the appeals. I'm not saying Eddie is innocent - it's too messy for me to say that. I question the conviction (beyond a reasonable doubt because Eddie's defense SUCKED) and I am against the sentence of Life without parole in this particular scenario. - Know the truth - whoever you are? I would enjoy a couple of beers with you to hear you out - cheers Nic

    @ Know the truth - I read the appellate-courts summary 12 days before you provided it. I took that into account when preparing for this week's show. You say "do your fact-checking" - well that my friend was done and in the end, the "truth" is I strongly question a lot of what you call "facts." I also question anyone that posts their name as - Know the truth from Home. Are you Artie Ortiz? I also reviewed the lawsuit brought by Ortiz against Time Warner, Liberty Media, and the O'Brien's for defamation - how'd that work out?
    Review the actual trial - the deck was already stacked once they got to the appeals. I'm not saying Eddie is innocent - it's too messy for me to say that. I question the conviction (beyond a reasonable doubt because Eddie's defense SUCKED) and I am against the sentence of Life without parole in this particular scenario.
    - Know the truth - whoever you are? I would enjoy a couple of beers with you to hear you out - cheers Nic

  • JPhazmat
    JPhazmat Wilmington Ohio
    I just wanted to let Captain know that I listen to TCG while driving to/from work and I missed my exit after the dick in the mashed potatoes comment. Thanks to you both for keeping this old lady entertained during my long, boring commute. Cheers!

    I just wanted to let Captain know that I listen to TCG while driving to/from work and I missed my exit after the dick in the mashed potatoes comment. Thanks to you both for keeping this old lady entertained during my long, boring commute. Cheers!

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Mashed potatoes will never be the same! Cheers Nic

    Mashed potatoes will never be the same!
    Cheers Nic

  • Soscha  Falvey
    Soscha Falvey SoCal
    Sorry, love you guys but the kid did it. His story doesn’t wash & there’s evidence by way of the blood & fingerprints. Unfortunately having sweet faces & demeanors isn’t exculpatory as many survivors of r*pe & assault can well testify. However I do have plenty of reservations about charging juveniles as adults.

    Sorry, love you guys but the kid did it. His story doesn’t wash & there’s evidence by way of the blood & fingerprints.

    Unfortunately having sweet faces & demeanors isn’t exculpatory as many survivors of r*pe & assault can well testify. However I do have plenty of reservations about charging juveniles as adults.

  • Pam
    Pam Parts Unkown
    Great case! Poor kid, I do feel he's innocent. Is it known what his friend Ryan thinks, does he believe him? Cheers!

    Great case! Poor kid, I do feel he's innocent. Is it known what his friend Ryan thinks, does he believe him?
    Cheers!

  • Crystal
    Crystal Canada
    Hey Artie - did you ever find your keys?

    Hey Artie - did you ever find your keys?

  • Rachel
    Rachel Utah
    Whether or not Eddie did it, I feel like there are a lot of holes in this story that will never get filled. Did Artie do it? If so, where are his clothes? Wouldn't they have gotten bloody from stabbing Janet 98 times? How did those never get found? Did Eddie do it? If so, how did he have time to stab her so many times? How did his family not notice him coming in the house to change out of bloody clothes? In either case, where was the murder weapon? Was the culprit hiding in the basement waiting for the son to leave to suddenly attack Janet? It kills me how much we don't know and will now probably never know because all of the evidence is gone.

    Whether or not Eddie did it, I feel like there are a lot of holes in this story that will never get filled. Did Artie do it? If so, where are his clothes? Wouldn't they have gotten bloody from stabbing Janet 98 times? How did those never get found? Did Eddie do it? If so, how did he have time to stab her so many times? How did his family not notice him coming in the house to change out of bloody clothes? In either case, where was the murder weapon? Was the culprit hiding in the basement waiting for the son to leave to suddenly attack Janet? It kills me how much we don't know and will now probably never know because all of the evidence is gone.

  • Susan
    Susan Wayne, IL
    This case made me so sad. I felt that no justice was served at all. Even though Eddie’s story of being mugged seemed pretty sketchy-maybe he actually got hurt at the crime scene and didn’t know what to say-but I’ve got to say that his story made sense. I agree with you both, reasonable doubt was never established and if nothing else he got a horrible defense attorney. Has his case ever tried for appeals? Just wondering. He got messed up by a bad system. And guys-I trust your research, you are the truth!😊👌🏼❤️

    This case made me so sad. I felt that no justice was served at all. Even though Eddie’s story of being mugged seemed pretty sketchy-maybe he actually got hurt at the crime scene and didn’t know what to say-but I’ve got to say that his story made sense. I agree with you both, reasonable doubt was never established and if nothing else he got a horrible defense attorney. Has his case ever tried for appeals? Just wondering. He got messed up by a bad system. And guys-I trust your research, you are the truth!😊👌🏼❤️

  • JC
    JC Boston
    While there are unexplained details like his clothing, I think most of that has to do with the obfuscation Eddie engaged in. Please read this: http://masscases.com/cases/sjc/432/432mass578.html That’s the Mass. SJC (Supreme Judicial Court) full review. Three things stood out to me that makes things more clear, in my opinion: 1. It sounds like there was more testimony about motive than I thought: there are more examples of Eddie’s burgeoning obsession with Janet Downing than we heard about. 2. The eyewitnesses who saw Eddie leave the house saw him RIGHT AS he left the house; their arrival to see if Ryan was gone may even have CAUSED the frantic escape from the scene! Also, the fact that they were kids, who knew all the parties, and observed Eddie in some detail, is damning. 3. While Ortiz might be a plausible suspect avenue, nothing at the scene places him there (his blood could not be eliminated from matching some at the scene cause it sounds like it was the same type as the victim’s) - but Eddie is all over the scene: a. His fingerprints, found in her blood, and the trail from the scene b. His blood, uncommon type, found at the scene c. Victim’s blood, found on him d. “ A knife hilt found on a stair in the front foyer of the Downing home was identical in size to that of a knife owned by the defendant that the police found in his trash, and he was known to have two such knives.”

    While there are unexplained details like his clothing, I think most of that has to do with the obfuscation Eddie engaged in. Please read this: http://masscases.com/cases/sjc/432/432mass578.html
    That’s the Mass. SJC (Supreme Judicial Court) full review. Three things stood out to me that makes things more clear, in my opinion:
    1. It sounds like there was more testimony about motive than I thought: there are more examples of Eddie’s burgeoning obsession with Janet Downing than we heard about.
    2. The eyewitnesses who saw Eddie leave the house saw him RIGHT AS he left the house; their arrival to see if Ryan was gone may even have CAUSED the frantic escape from the scene! Also, the fact that they were kids, who knew all the parties, and observed Eddie in some detail, is damning.
    3. While Ortiz might be a plausible suspect avenue, nothing at the scene places him there (his blood could not be eliminated from matching some at the scene cause it sounds like it was the same type as the victim’s) - but Eddie is all over the scene:
    a. His fingerprints, found in her blood, and the trail from the scene
    b. His blood, uncommon type, found at the scene
    c. Victim’s blood, found on him
    d. “ A knife hilt found on a stair in the front foyer of the Downing home was identical in size to that of a knife owned by the defendant that the police found in his trash, and he was known to have two such knives.”

  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Adelaide Australia
    That . Music. I love it

    That . Music. I love it

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @JC - I love it. Thank you for the bullet points. The scene is weird and does not look good for Eddie at all. I think if AO did this the attacked would likely have had to start sometime after PD left the house this would be about 8:30ish and then it's over by the time Eddie enters the house at 9:16ish. Eddie is seen by two witnesses 9:20 to 9:25 - one who testifies he's not 100% sure it was Eddie and the other who's testimony was different than his statement that he gave to police. He says he saw Eddie and didn't want to believe it was his friend - and I believe him. no need to argue that as Eddie admits to being there at that time. The hilt that was found is the likely murder weapon or at least one of them. The hilt contained blood belonging to the victim and blood that did not match Eddie's - that is bizarre if Eddie is our killer. Is it possible that someone else did this? Someone with more time than Eddie and better prepared than Eddie? It's such a tv show type - neighborhood murder case. Whatever truly happened - it's just so sad. Janet was still in the process of raising her 4 kids. I know the two girls were older but any parent will tell you - you are often raising your kids into their 20' and maybe 30's - even if they don't live with you. Cheers and thank you all for posting. I'm enjoying the conversation. Cheers Nic

    @JC - I love it. Thank you for the bullet points. The scene is weird and does not look good for Eddie at all. I think if AO did this the attacked would likely have had to start sometime after PD left the house this would be about 8:30ish and then it's over by the time Eddie enters the house at 9:16ish. Eddie is seen by two witnesses 9:20 to 9:25 - one who testifies he's not 100% sure it was Eddie and the other who's testimony was different than his statement that he gave to police. He says he saw Eddie and didn't want to believe it was his friend - and I believe him. no need to argue that as Eddie admits to being there at that time. The hilt that was found is the likely murder weapon or at least one of them. The hilt contained blood belonging to the victim and blood that did not match Eddie's - that is bizarre if Eddie is our killer. Is it possible that someone else did this? Someone with more time than Eddie and better prepared than Eddie?
    It's such a tv show type - neighborhood murder case. Whatever truly happened - it's just so sad. Janet was still in the process of raising her 4 kids. I know the two girls were older but any parent will tell you - you are often raising your kids into their 20' and maybe 30's - even if they don't live with you.
    Cheers and thank you all for posting. I'm enjoying the conversation.
    Cheers Nic

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous USA
    I'm the daughter of Janet Downing. I was 18 years old when my mom was killed. So, while I was young, I was definitely old enough to remember the events that took place. Over the last few years, there has been talk online about whether or not O'Brien is actually guilty. This is mostly because of a recent book written by Ed's court appointed guardian during the court proceedings. And while I haven't listened to this podcast, based on what I've heard from others, I have to assume this is the basis of the podcast. While there are some facts in that book, there are also half truths, things that are twisted to fit the writer's narrative to make Ed look innocent, and just blatant lies. For instance, my mom was not scared of my Uncle Artie Ortiz nor did she kick him out of our house. That's 100% a fabricated lie courtesy of one of my neighbors. And for the record, this neighbor was NOT someone my mom was friends with - even she has admitted that. And my mom's close friends, who she would confide in, have told me that my mom never said a bad word about Artie to them. With that being said, both I and my brothers have gone on record that my mom was not afraid of Artie nor did she kick him out. My Aunt and Uncle applied for housing and they moved out when it became available. Simple as that. In fact, my brother Paul would tell you that he saw my mom crying the day they moved out because she knew she would miss them. The story of a motive is pure garbage. I've seen some of the comments and some people still have questions about things. I don't normally do this, but if you want to ask me questions, you can do so by sending a message via my mom's Facebook page Justice for Janet Downing. I'll do my best to try and answer your questions if I can. I only ask that you come with respect and an open mind when messaging me. I'm not here to argue the case with anyone. Thank you.

    I'm the daughter of Janet Downing. I was 18 years old when my mom was killed. So, while I was young, I was definitely old enough to remember the events that took place. Over the last few years, there has been talk online about whether or not O'Brien is actually guilty. This is mostly because of a recent book written by Ed's court appointed guardian during the court proceedings. And while I haven't listened to this podcast, based on what I've heard from others, I have to assume this is the basis of the podcast. While there are some facts in that book, there are also half truths, things that are twisted to fit the writer's narrative to make Ed look innocent, and just blatant lies. For instance, my mom was not scared of my Uncle Artie Ortiz nor did she kick him out of our house. That's 100% a fabricated lie courtesy of one of my neighbors. And for the record, this neighbor was NOT someone my mom was friends with - even she has admitted that. And my mom's close friends, who she would confide in, have told me that my mom never said a bad word about Artie to them. With that being said, both I and my brothers have gone on record that my mom was not afraid of Artie nor did she kick him out. My Aunt and Uncle applied for housing and they moved out when it became available. Simple as that. In fact, my brother Paul would tell you that he saw my mom crying the day they moved out because she knew she would miss them. The story of a motive is pure garbage. I've seen some of the comments and some people still have questions about things. I don't normally do this, but if you want to ask me questions, you can do so by sending a message via my mom's Facebook page Justice for Janet Downing. I'll do my best to try and answer your questions if I can. I only ask that you come with respect and an open mind when messaging me. I'm not here to argue the case with anyone. Thank you.

  • Artie
    Artie Vermont
    For those of you that believe he is innocent it’s your right to express your opinion. She was my sister-in-law I did a phone interview with tcg on Sunday August 9th.

    For those of you that believe he is innocent it’s your right to express your opinion. She was my sister-in-law I did a phone interview with tcg on Sunday August 9th.

  • Petros
    Petros NY
    It's possible there was no knife-point mugging upon Eddie, perhaps that was his cover story to avoid confessing to his presence at the crime scene. If that's the case, the threat Eddie received by the real killer at knife-point at the crime scene could explain his trail of blood, if in fact it is Eddie's blood...which it doesn't seem to be. The above is pure speculation if only to prevent tunnel vision that locks on but one and only one perp. If Eddie stabbed a healthy adult human 98 times, there would be spatter on him--more than just victim blood found on his shins. What do witnesses say Eddie was wearing at 9:05PM? At 9:15PM? 10:15PM? What did Eddie's coworker say he was wearing when he went in for coworker's 911 call? Any blood on him, etc.? What was Eddie's description of perps that mugged him? Questions: What is AO's background? Why did he refuse to return those keys? Did police and prosecution even interrogate this guy like they should've to anyone who was there at the crime scene that night AND had keys to the joint? How hard was ex-hubby grilled? Would he have a motive? Does AO have any prior convictions? Violent priors? Is he known to have a temper or be vindictive? What his hair and DNA taken and thence attempted to be matched to scene evidence? (E.g., under her fingernails, etc.) Diligently attempted, not Fahmy Malak attempted. Can EMT and firemen remember blocking in or parking near a taxi at the scene? Were they even questioned in the two-week ego-trip, I mean, trial? Did he have any cuts or injuries post-crime? What was his behavior at work post-crime? Did he keep his normal routine post-crime or were there any changes in his habits and demeanor in any way? Were his work colleagues even questioned about such matters? What his taxi employer questioned to corroborate with the supposed "facts"? Was the taxi in question examined with as much scrutiny as Eddie's objects of suspected involvement? What was AO's exact height and weight at the time? Why wasn't Regina's full testimony allowed in court? Was Luminol light used on any of AO's objects of suspected involvement? On Eddie's? So as not to grill AO as hard, here's the main question? What were the exact career advancement opportunities in front of all those involved in the police and prosecution sides? Whoever did it, distrust of prosecution is further reinforced in this case. Insult to injury, if both AO and Eddie are someday magically exonerated by a crazy advance in forensics tech, prosecutors and many facets of the system won't receive as much as a slap on the wrist for wrongfully flushing someone to prison or worse to capital punishment. Especially a 15-yr-old boy. Those of the system could literally conspire to hide or distort evidence and their own system insulates them from their just recompense. They're not scrutinized for these crimes. They get away with and in turn get reelected with pay raises and praises. Obviously, I'm not saying they're all guilty and shady, but we know there are snakes in the system and when they get found out, what is their punishment? I have to assume that the TCG duo read this in some way, but food for thought for whomsoever is interested. -Pete PS, Nic, I emailed you about Dr. Daniel Amen's book "Making a Good Brain Great," I don't need a cordial email in response but please check it out as an invaluable resource to understanding motives of perps as well as why soccer is a dumb sport, author purports.

    It's possible there was no knife-point mugging upon Eddie, perhaps that was his cover story to avoid confessing to his presence at the crime scene. If that's the case, the threat Eddie received by the real killer at knife-point at the crime scene could explain his trail of blood, if in fact it is Eddie's blood...which it doesn't seem to be. The above is pure speculation if only to prevent tunnel vision that locks on but one and only one perp.
    If Eddie stabbed a healthy adult human 98 times, there would be spatter on him--more than just victim blood found on his shins. What do witnesses say Eddie was wearing at 9:05PM? At 9:15PM? 10:15PM?
    What did Eddie's coworker say he was wearing when he went in for coworker's 911 call? Any blood on him, etc.? What was Eddie's description of perps that mugged him?

    Questions:
    What is AO's background?
    Why did he refuse to return those keys?
    Did police and prosecution even interrogate this guy like they should've to anyone who was there at the crime scene that night AND had keys to the joint?
    How hard was ex-hubby grilled? Would he have a motive?

    Does AO have any prior convictions? Violent priors? Is he known to have a temper or be vindictive?
    What his hair and DNA taken and thence attempted to be matched to scene evidence? (E.g., under her fingernails, etc.) Diligently attempted, not Fahmy Malak attempted.
    Can EMT and firemen remember blocking in or parking near a taxi at the scene? Were they even questioned in the two-week ego-trip, I mean, trial?
    Did he have any cuts or injuries post-crime?
    What was his behavior at work post-crime?
    Did he keep his normal routine post-crime or were there any changes in his habits and demeanor in any way?
    Were his work colleagues even questioned about such matters?
    What his taxi employer questioned to corroborate with the supposed "facts"?
    Was the taxi in question examined with as much scrutiny as Eddie's objects of suspected involvement?
    What was AO's exact height and weight at the time?
    Why wasn't Regina's full testimony allowed in court?
    Was Luminol light used on any of AO's objects of suspected involvement? On Eddie's?

    So as not to grill AO as hard, here's the main question? What were the exact career advancement opportunities in front of all those involved in the police and prosecution sides?
    Whoever did it, distrust of prosecution is further reinforced in this case. Insult to injury, if both AO and Eddie are someday magically exonerated by a crazy advance in forensics tech, prosecutors and many facets of the system won't receive as much as a slap on the wrist for wrongfully flushing someone to prison or worse to capital punishment. Especially a 15-yr-old boy.
    Those of the system could literally conspire to hide or distort evidence and their own system insulates them from their just recompense. They're not scrutinized for these crimes. They get away with and in turn get reelected with pay raises and praises.
    Obviously, I'm not saying they're all guilty and shady, but we know there are snakes in the system and when they get found out, what is their punishment?
    I have to assume that the TCG duo read this in some way, but food for thought for whomsoever is interested. -Pete
    PS, Nic, I emailed you about Dr. Daniel Amen's book "Making a Good Brain Great," I don't need a cordial email in response but please check it out as an invaluable resource to understanding motives of perps as well as why soccer is a dumb sport, author purports.

  • Scott
    Scott Colorado
    Nic- can you tell me where you were able to read the witness statements, or transcripts of the testimony from the trial? Thanks!

    Nic- can you tell me where you were able to read the witness statements, or transcripts of the testimony from the trial?
    Thanks!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous USA
    As the daughter of Janet Downing, I know this case very well. There are so many questions I see here that I could answer for people, but this isn't the place for that. But, I do want to address one thing - the story that my mom was scared of my Uncle Artie and kicked him out. That's 100% a fabricated lie courtesy of one of my neighbors. And for the record, this neighbor was NOT someone my mom was friends with - even she has admitted that. And my mom's close friends, who she would confide in, have told me that my mom never said a bad thing about Artie to them. This neighbor, for reasons only known to her, has decided to spread these lies and hurt my family. With that being said, both I and my brothers have gone on record that my mom was not afraid of Artie nor did she kick my Uncle and his family out of our house. They applied for housing and moved out when it became available. Simple as that. In fact, my brother Paul would tell you that he saw my mom crying the day they moved out because she knew she would miss them. The stories about Artie and my mom are pure garbage.

    As the daughter of Janet Downing, I know this case very well. There are so many questions I see here that I could answer for people, but this isn't the place for that. But, I do want to address one thing - the story that my mom was scared of my Uncle Artie and kicked him out. That's 100% a fabricated lie courtesy of one of my neighbors. And for the record, this neighbor was NOT someone my mom was friends with - even she has admitted that. And my mom's close friends, who she would confide in, have told me that my mom never said a bad thing about Artie to them. This neighbor, for reasons only known to her, has decided to spread these lies and hurt my family. With that being said, both I and my brothers have gone on record that my mom was not afraid of Artie nor did she kick my Uncle and his family out of our house. They applied for housing and moved out when it became available. Simple as that. In fact, my brother Paul would tell you that he saw my mom crying the day they moved out because she knew she would miss them. The stories about Artie and my mom are pure garbage.

  • Nicholas
    Nicholas Parts Unknown
    You guys are definitely at your best with unsolved cases. In my opinion you are not at your best with these attempting to prove the innocence of convicted felons cases. Trying to tie this into concept of teenage super predators seems a real stretch. You are definitely drinking the Kool-Aid on this one! This guy had the opportunity, and whether you agree or not a motive was forwarded that wasn’t adequately countered by the defense. Conversely, he has no viable alibi. His blood is at the scene. Her blood is on him. He’s missing during a time frame that coincides with the crime. Someone who fits his description was seen fleeing the scene by two people. Someone who fits his description was seen fleeing the scene by two people. He has fresh cuts on his hand after a lady who lived across the street was stabbed 97 times. He explains the cuts by telling an unlikely and incredibly coincidental tale of being mysteriously mugged within minutes of the crime.. Once he discovered that there was evidence tying him to the house, he suddenly admits to being at the scene of the crime. He has an equally unlikely tale of an encounter with the apparent perpetrator, who instead of simply killing thIs witness makes him cross his heart and hope to die not to tell on him. Ridiculous. The whole thing is extremely unlikely, and made worse by the fact that even though In his new story he claims he knew his neighbor lady in a pool of blood, he never reported it to anyone. The part that I do agree with is that at his age, he should not have been tried as an adult. If he can prove his defense was incompetent, he should attempt to do so and try to get a retrial.

    You guys are definitely at your best with unsolved cases. In my opinion you are not at your best with these attempting to prove the innocence of convicted felons cases. Trying to tie this into concept of teenage super predators seems a real stretch. You are definitely drinking the Kool-Aid on this one! This guy had the opportunity, and whether you agree or not a motive was forwarded that wasn’t adequately countered by the defense. Conversely, he has no viable alibi. His blood is at the scene. Her blood is on him. He’s missing during a time frame that coincides with the crime. Someone who fits his description was seen fleeing the scene by two people. Someone who fits his description was seen fleeing the scene by two people. He has fresh cuts on his hand after a lady who lived across the street was stabbed 97 times. He explains the cuts by telling an unlikely and incredibly coincidental tale of being mysteriously mugged within minutes of the crime.. Once he discovered that there was evidence tying him to the house, he suddenly admits to being at the scene of the crime. He has an equally unlikely tale of an encounter with the apparent perpetrator, who instead of simply killing thIs witness makes him cross his heart and hope to die not to tell on him. Ridiculous. The whole thing is extremely unlikely, and made worse by the fact that even though In his new story he claims he knew his neighbor lady in a pool of blood, he never reported it to anyone. The part that I do agree with is that at his age, he should not have been tried as an adult. If he can prove his defense was incompetent, he should attempt to do so and try to get a retrial.

  • Shelley
    Shelley Humboldt County
    How tall is Artie Ortiz?

    How tall is Artie Ortiz?

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Thank you Erin and Artie for posting here and I am sorry for your loss. This is a tragic and sad story. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and insight. Cheers Nic

    Thank you Erin and Artie for posting here and I am sorry for your loss. This is a tragic and sad story. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and insight.
    Cheers Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Hello Scott and thanks for the question. The Boston Globe - the actual old newspapers online - had great trial coverage. It was skewed against Eddie as the prosecution put up the better case. Masscases.com has some good stuff and some of the appeals have been summarized in different forms found online. I believe you can find some with a search of CommonwealthvObrien or MassachusettsvsE.Obrien. Also - The Politics of murder book is mostly spent discussing the ramp-up to and the trial itself. Of course, there are going to have different opinions... There were before, during, and after the trial. Cheers nIC

    Hello Scott and thanks for the question. The Boston Globe - the actual old newspapers online - had great trial coverage. It was skewed against Eddie as the prosecution put up the better case. Masscases.com has some good stuff and some of the appeals have been summarized in different forms found online. I believe you can find some with a search of CommonwealthvObrien or MassachusettsvsE.Obrien. Also - The Politics of murder book is mostly spent discussing the ramp-up to and the trial itself.
    Of course, there are going to have different opinions... There were before, during, and after the trial.
    Cheers nIC

  • RACHEL
    RACHEL O-H-I-O
    @Nicholas, Parts Unknown, I second everything you said, 100 percent. With the exception of the first 4 sentences. Can't bring myself to be that harsh on these two :)

    @Nicholas, Parts Unknown, I second everything you said, 100 percent. With the exception of the first 4 sentences. Can't bring myself to be that harsh on these two smile

  • Somerville News Paper
    Somerville News Paper Somerville , Ma
    https://law.justia.com/cases/massachusetts/supreme-court/volumes/423/423mass841.html———— https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/453/13/484896/ ——-https://caselaw.findlaw.com/ma-supreme-judicial-court/1062540.html
  • Petros
    Petros NY
    "The hilt that was found is the likely murder weapon or at least one of them. The hilt contained blood belonging to the victim and blood that did not match Eddie's." -Nic of TCG, 8/8/2020 The hilt found at the crime scene has been linked to Eddie's use for the commission of the crime. We're also told he's been known to own 2 similar to this hilt's model and crime scene hilt was 1 of said 2. Forgive me for harping on minutiae, but what's the deal with the other blood source? If this is true, why isn't finality nailed down on whose blood is on that hilt? I don't care what my gut says who seems innocent or guilty, whenever I hear something like this without forensic proof to explain it, there's an air of reasonable doubt over all suspects. Among other possibilities, it's either bad reporting or bad police work. It's borderline false information or hearsay at best until we know whose other blood source was on the hilt. I can't just glance over such info and act like it's not that important. I listen TCG everyday and I appreciate the amount of effort put into it. I can tell it's a lotta work. I love when "Cabin" says something as a side note, and Nic just sorta goes, "Mm hmm." Such moments remind me of Jim Carrey's Grinch movie when Cindy Lou asks the two biddies "Oh, so that's how [making babies] works?!" and they kinda look at each other real quick and attempt to change the subject by throwing out that same "Mm hmm." Haha. Looking forward to more, gang! PS, Despite the obvious 70-year time gap, a certain podcast show believes Ed Edwards either is Jack the Ripper or is responsible for Jack the Ripper's death. Just reporting what I heard; might not hurt to look into it.

    "The hilt that was found is the likely murder weapon or at least one of them. The hilt contained blood belonging to the victim and blood that did not match Eddie's."
    -Nic of TCG, 8/8/2020
    The hilt found at the crime scene has been linked to Eddie's use for the commission of the crime. We're also told he's been known to own 2 similar to this hilt's model and crime scene hilt was 1 of said 2.
    Forgive me for harping on minutiae, but what's the deal with the other blood source?
    If this is true, why isn't finality nailed down on whose blood is on that hilt?
    I don't care what my gut says who seems innocent or guilty, whenever I hear something like this without forensic proof to explain it, there's an air of reasonable doubt over all suspects. Among other possibilities, it's either bad reporting or bad police work. It's borderline false information or hearsay at best until we know whose other blood source was on the hilt. I can't just glance over such info and act like it's not that important.

    I listen TCG everyday and I appreciate the amount of effort put into it. I can tell it's a lotta work.
    I love when "Cabin" says something as a side note, and Nic just sorta goes, "Mm hmm." Such moments remind me of Jim Carrey's Grinch movie when Cindy Lou asks the two biddies "Oh, so that's how [making babies] works?!" and they kinda look at each other real quick and attempt to change the subject by throwing out that same "Mm hmm." Haha.
    Looking forward to more, gang!
    PS, Despite the obvious 70-year time gap, a certain podcast show believes Ed Edwards either is Jack the Ripper or is responsible for Jack the Ripper's death.
    Just reporting what I heard; might not hurt to look into it.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Thanks Petros! The hilt is one of the most bizarre parts of this case - someone else's blood is at the crime scene - who, why, and how? It does very much create some reasonable doubt. So funny about Ed Ewards - I read most of Cameron's book and all of his website. It's entertaining but the whole time I just keep stopping and asking myself - he's got to be too smart for this? We've seen how cases can consume a person. The Zodiac movie with Graysmith spiraling out of control comes to mind. I think Ed Edwards has at least one more victim than he gets credit for and it's Cold Case Cameron. Cheers Nic

    Thanks Petros!
    The hilt is one of the most bizarre parts of this case - someone else's blood is at the crime scene - who, why, and how? It does very much create some reasonable doubt.
    So funny about Ed Ewards - I read most of Cameron's book and all of his website. It's entertaining but the whole time I just keep stopping and asking myself - he's got to be too smart for this? We've seen how cases can consume a person. The Zodiac movie with Graysmith spiraling out of control comes to mind. I think Ed Edwards has at least one more victim than he gets credit for and it's Cold Case Cameron.
    Cheers Nic

  • Ortiz Pride
    Ortiz Pride Somerville
    In this case they never said the hilt has unknown “blood” on it , it said it had unknown DNA which isn’t always blood , read the court case , who else is the last person to handle the knifes ? Answer , his boss at the porn store who collected knifes , the night before the murder Eddie tried to make a knife trade for his 2( two ) with his boss , his boss examined the 2 (two) refused the trade because he claimed one of the knifes had a loose “Hilt” an it was trash , which was the identical one of two Eddie owned , also found at the crime scene , an the other knife found wrapped in tissue in Eddie homes trash can ! all in the court transcript all for public reading ....

    In this case they never said the hilt has unknown “blood” on it , it said it had unknown DNA which isn’t always blood , read the court case , who else is the last person to handle the knifes ? Answer , his boss at the porn store who collected knifes , the night before the murder Eddie tried to make a knife trade for his 2( two ) with his boss , his boss examined the 2 (two) refused the trade because he claimed one of the knifes had a loose “Hilt” an it was trash , which was the identical one of two Eddie owned , also found at the crime scene , an the other knife found wrapped in
    tissue in Eddie homes trash can ! all in the court transcript all for public reading ....

  • Beth
    Beth RI
    Just finished this one. Would love to hear your take on another juvenile case, possibly RI’s most infamous Craig Price.

    Just finished this one. Would love to hear your take on another juvenile case, possibly RI’s most infamous Craig Price.

  • RB
    RB Georgia
    This case is an interesting one, for sure. I just can't shake the idea of the BIL. Despite the comments here, I am not convinced of his innocence. I really find the extra blood of the third person on the hilt to be strange and inexplicable. I understand the police going after Eddie given the evidence just after the scene was discovered. That being said, it really does not seem that the investigators took much time or effort to vet out and find alibis for all other potential suspects. It is strange to me that no one even looked at Artie, and the fact that he had to have his car towed that night is really sticking out to me. Great episode guys, thank you for all that you do!

    This case is an interesting one, for sure. I just can't shake the idea of the BIL. Despite the comments here, I am not convinced of his innocence. I really find the extra blood of the third person on the hilt to be strange and inexplicable. I understand the police going after Eddie given the evidence just after the scene was discovered. That being said, it really does not seem that the investigators took much time or effort to vet out and find alibis for all other potential suspects. It is strange to me that no one even looked at Artie, and the fact that he had to have his car towed that night is really sticking out to me.
    Great episode guys, thank you for all that you do!

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