Amy Mihaljevic /// 308 /// 309

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  • Demetria Franklin

    Demetria Franklin Greensboro al

    I enjoy y'all podcast every week. I how yall break the story. It make u Imagine about it.

    I enjoy y'all podcast every week. I how yall break the story. It make u Imagine about it.

  • Emma

    Emma Illinois

    I’m confused, you already did this case for episode 22 in 2016? Sorry if I missed something?

    I’m confused, you already did this case for episode 22 in 2016? Sorry if I missed something?

  • Jeff

    Jeff Minnesota

    Was it confirmed that the curtain and blanket are/were not identified by Amy's family? Feels like those items are key to finding who took her. I feel like the discovery of her dog's hair puts the items at Amy's house or car, rather than transferred from her clothing.

    Was it confirmed that the curtain and blanket are/were not identified by Amy's family? Feels like those items are key to finding who took her. I feel like the discovery of her dog's hair puts the items at Amy's house or car, rather than transferred from her clothing.

  • Sabrina

    Sabrina Tampa, FL

    For some reason I can't get this episode on Stitcher, my preferred podcast method, so I listened on spotify. I restarted my phone and updated the Stitcher ap and still not there. I want to say thank you for covering this case and keeping it out there, I so look forward to your cases each week and I believe you are doing good in this world. The only issue I say with Nic defending law enforcement for waiting 26 years to ask if anyone has seen this curtain/blanket is that yes it may have taken a while to connect amy and the curtain, but it could not have taken 26 years, I mean how old was Amy's dog, and dogs don't live 26 years. Unless they went to the home and asked for hairs of the dog in case they need them and preserved them for 26 years to connect it, but I doubt that. I know it is not easy being in law enforcement or an investigator, but its just too bad that piece of info couldn't have been released sooner. I remember Curtains like that, the homemade kinds growing up in the 80's and they were usually made by grandparents, or the parents and 26 years later, the person who made them may not be alive, or may very well not remember they ever made a curtain. and the colors fade and may not even resemble the curtain you may have made. I remember us having those homemade curtains as a kid, but I couldn't tell you now who made them, and my parents aren't here any longer to tell me, and although my grandparents are, they may or may not remember that. It is hard to conceive of someone being a child killer/abductor/assaulter only doing this once or twice and stopping, but I do believe Nic and some others out there that feel this may have been this person's only murder, but probably not first or last assault, or inappropriate activity with young kids. This person may not have wanted to kill her, probably thought unreasonably they could just spend time with a young kid and return her and it be fine, I mean how else could this person stay under the radar so long? I just hope and pray this case can be solved some day soon. This person has gotten away with this for so many long years, I guess I can only hope the person changed and this eats him up alive inside the evil that he did, but I worry that since getting away with for so long, they may take it with them to the grave. Someone out there has to know something, even if it is something so small, please come clean and pay for your crime(s).

    For some reason I can't get this episode on Stitcher, my preferred podcast method, so I listened on spotify. I restarted my phone and updated the Stitcher ap and still not there.

    I want to say thank you for covering this case and keeping it out there, I so look forward to your cases each week and I believe you are doing good in this world.

    The only issue I say with Nic defending law enforcement for waiting 26 years to ask if anyone has seen this curtain/blanket is that yes it may have taken a while to connect amy and the curtain, but it could not have taken 26 years, I mean how old was Amy's dog, and dogs don't live 26 years. Unless they went to the home and asked for hairs of the dog in case they need them and preserved them for 26 years to connect it, but I doubt that. I know it is not easy being in law enforcement or an investigator, but its just too bad that piece of info couldn't have been released sooner. I remember Curtains like that, the homemade kinds growing up in the 80's and they were usually made by grandparents, or the parents and 26 years later, the person who made them may not be alive, or may very well not remember they ever made a curtain. and the colors fade and may not even resemble the curtain you may have made. I remember us having those homemade curtains as a kid, but I couldn't tell you now who made them, and my parents aren't here any longer to tell me, and although my grandparents are, they may or may not remember that.

    It is hard to conceive of someone being a child killer/abductor/assaulter only doing this once or twice and stopping, but I do believe Nic and some others out there that feel this may have been this person's only murder, but probably not first or last assault, or inappropriate activity with young kids. This person may not have wanted to kill her, probably thought unreasonably they could just spend time with a young kid and return her and it be fine, I mean how else could this person stay under the radar so long? I just hope and pray this case can be solved some day soon. This person has gotten away with this for so many long years, I guess I can only hope the person changed and this eats him up alive inside the evil that he did, but I worry that since getting away with for so long, they may take it with them to the grave. Someone out there has to know something, even if it is something so small, please come clean and pay for your crime(s).

  • Kate

    Kate UK

    I really enjoy your podcast- especially as I work from home on Wednesdays and look forward to listening to a new episode whilst I work. But I can't find this one on Stitcher.. Will it be added on there later? Look forward to listening!

    I really enjoy your podcast- especially as I work from home on Wednesdays and look forward to listening to a new episode whilst I work. But I can't find this one on Stitcher.. Will it be added on there later?
    Look forward to listening!

  • RACHEL

    RACHEL O-H-I-O

    The single most formative criminal case of my life, with the exception of a personal one. I grew up in Lorain county and I remember watching the news every day before they found her, hoping she would be found alive. And then I remember the feeling of utter disappointment when they found her body, knowing that hope was gone. Even now, I work down the street from the plaza on Wolf Rd. where she was taken and I drive past there frequently and still feel the sadness at how unnecessary it feels that this is still unsolved. Not unnecessary like the police are to blame, but just unnecessary like "come on, this guy can't possibly be that lucky or that smart," if you know what I mean. The middle school and the plaza and the police station are so close. Everything is so populated and would have been at that time of day especially. Looking forward to part 2.

    The single most formative criminal case of my life, with the exception of a personal one. I grew up in Lorain county and I remember watching the news every day before they found her, hoping she would be found alive. And then I remember the feeling of utter disappointment when they found her body, knowing that hope was gone. Even now, I work down the street from the plaza on Wolf Rd. where she was taken and I drive past there frequently and still feel the sadness at how unnecessary it feels that this is still unsolved. Not unnecessary like the police are to blame, but just unnecessary like "come on, this guy can't possibly be that lucky or that smart," if you know what I mean. The middle school and the plaza and the police station are so close. Everything is so populated and would have been at that time of day especially. Looking forward to part 2.

  • Amy

    Amy Cuyahoga Falls, OH

    Glad you finally covered this case! Can you cover more stories that are in rural areas? I just love to hear Nic try to say rural....it makes me feel better about my inability to say it! Every time he says it I think “awwwww, me too Nic, me too!” #youarenotalone #icantsayiteither #trytosayaurora

    Glad you finally covered this case! Can you cover more stories that are in rural areas? I just love to hear Nic try to say rural....it makes me feel better about my inability to say it! Every time he says it I think “awwwww, me too Nic, me too!” #youarenotalone #icantsayiteither #trytosayaurora

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Emma Thats was just a interview with James Renner about the case. Captain

    Emma

    Thats was just a interview with James Renner about the case.

    Captain

  • Madi

    Madi Pittsburgh, PA

    This case will always bother me until it gets solved. I am so glad you decided to dive into this case more, other than the James Renner interview. I am always inclined to think it is someone the family knows, but then I always keep going back to the fact that other girls received similar phone calls to Amy. That always throws me off and makes me think maybe there is no connection at all. Was he just making calls until finally someone agreed to meet him? It's so frustrating. But if I go with my gut, I feel that the offender knew the family somehow. My thought is that maybe the offender had attempted to meet up with girls he did not know or that there was no connection, and it didn't work..he couldn't get them to meet him. Then he decided switch plans and target Amy, possibly thinking Amy would be more comfortable meeting him since she knows him already? He may not have even known the family well, but well enough that Amy would have known he was from their phone call. Maybe just someone the family knew from living in the same town or area? Also; did you mean to give Amy's description in the 1st episode as being 5'10"? I'm assuming that a mistake as thats' taller than myself and I'm a 27 year old woman! lol. Anyhow - great episodes, about to listen to the 2nd one now!

    This case will always bother me until it gets solved. I am so glad you decided to dive into this case more, other than the James Renner interview. I am always inclined to think it is someone the family knows, but then I always keep going back to the fact that other girls received similar phone calls to Amy. That always throws me off and makes me think maybe there is no connection at all. Was he just making calls until finally someone agreed to meet him? It's so frustrating. But if I go with my gut, I feel that the offender knew the family somehow.
    My thought is that maybe the offender had attempted to meet up with girls he did not know or that there was no connection, and it didn't work..he couldn't get them to meet him. Then he decided switch plans and target Amy, possibly thinking Amy would be more comfortable meeting him since she knows him already? He may not have even known the family well, but well enough that Amy would have known he was from their phone call. Maybe just someone the family knew from living in the same town or area?
    Also; did you mean to give Amy's description in the 1st episode as being 5'10"? I'm assuming that a mistake as thats' taller than myself and I'm a 27 year old woman! lol.
    Anyhow - great episodes, about to listen to the 2nd one now!

  • Nicole

    Nicole Cincinnati

    Maybe Amy was talked into calling her mom because the killer wanted to make sure she wouldnt be missed and he sold it to Amy as make sure she is still at work so we can hurry and get the present without her finding out. Or make sure your mom is at work so we can take the present to her so she was rushed. Kids will sound off when they are trying to hide something in this example a surprise.

    Maybe Amy was talked into calling her mom because the killer wanted to make sure she wouldnt be missed and he sold it to Amy as make sure she is still at work so we can hurry and get the present without her finding out. Or make sure your mom is at work so we can take the present to her so she was rushed. Kids will sound off when they are trying to hide something in this example a surprise.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    I'm not sure what the issue was but the episodes are up on stitcher now. Also I hope everyone enjoys this idea... When we first started out we would revisit the Long Island Serial Killer case - we did several episodes but not in a row. This year a show goal was to try to get back to that idea a bit. So earlier this year we took a new look at the Oakland County Child killer case and this week Amy's case. It's good to go back to these bigger cases even when there is not new information. Plus these were completely different shows both in format and delivery. Cheers Nic

    I'm not sure what the issue was but the episodes are up on stitcher now. Also I hope everyone enjoys this idea... When we first started out we would revisit the Long Island Serial Killer case - we did several episodes but not in a row. This year a show goal was to try to get back to that idea a bit. So earlier this year we took a new look at the Oakland County Child killer case and this week Amy's case. It's good to go back to these bigger cases even when there is not new information. Plus these were completely different shows both in format and delivery.
    Cheers Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    It is confirmed by the family 100% the curtain and blanket did not come from the Mihaljevic house. Cheers Nic

    It is confirmed by the family 100% the curtain and blanket did not come from the Mihaljevic house.
    Cheers Nic

  • Shannon

    Shannon Dayton OH

    On the eye witness that saw the man standing by his open trunk .. I wouldn’t discount her even if she was off on the date she saw him . If Amy’s body had been there for a longer period of time as some authorities believe then it wouldn’t matter if it was an earlier date it could still be the killer. Also let’s say it was after she was placed there , it would be possible that he was stopping to see if she was still there or just revisit her as these sickos sometimes do . Maybe when he saw the jogger approaching he was just pretending to do something in his trunk . If the dates that Amy could have been placed there vary .. so could the date that the man was seen . Great podcast !

    On the eye witness that saw the man standing by his open trunk .. I wouldn’t discount her even if she was off on the date she saw him . If Amy’s body had been there for a longer period of time as some authorities believe then it wouldn’t matter if it was an earlier date it could still be the killer. Also let’s say it was after she was placed there , it would be possible that he was stopping to see if she was still there or just revisit her as these sickos sometimes do . Maybe when he saw the jogger approaching he was just pretending to do something in his trunk . If the dates that Amy could have been placed there vary .. so could the date that the man was seen .
    Great podcast !

  • Kylie

    Kylie Columbia

    Thank you guys for revisiting this case ! Such a sad one and I hope we see a resolution some day ! I know it was mentioned a few times that it’s believed that the perp wasn’t intending to murder Amy - but possibly felt that it was a necessity - what then was the intention of her abduction ? We aren’t (for sure) if there was a sexual assault - of course it would seem most obvious that the crime was sexually motivated ... maybe the murder was the sexual fantasy ? Is that a possibility? I don’t care how “micro” a penis is , I believe there would be physical evidence of an assault on a young girls body if there was a forcible rape/assault . Although to Nic’s Comment maybe the evidence of that was lost due to the amount of time her body was exposed to the elements and the rate of decomposition... also the murder itself seems very violent and personal , especially for someone who wasn’t “planning” on doing it ! Just some thoughts I had listening to the episode . Thanks for another great 2 hours ! You guys remain my favorite podcast !

    Thank you guys for revisiting this case ! Such a sad one and I hope we see a resolution some day !

    I know it was mentioned a few times that it’s believed that the perp wasn’t intending to murder Amy - but possibly felt that it was a necessity - what then was the intention of her abduction ? We aren’t (for sure) if there was a sexual assault - of course it would seem most obvious that the crime was sexually motivated ... maybe the murder was the sexual fantasy ? Is that a possibility? I don’t care how “micro” a penis is , I believe there would be physical evidence of an assault on a young girls body if there was a forcible rape/assault . Although to Nic’s Comment maybe the evidence of that was lost due to the amount of time her body was exposed to the elements and the rate of decomposition... also the murder itself seems very violent and personal , especially for someone who wasn’t “planning” on doing it !

    Just some thoughts I had listening to the episode . Thanks for another great 2 hours ! You guys remain my favorite podcast !

  • Stefanie

    Stefanie Cleveland, OH

    There were many of the FBI agents from the Cleveland office that actually lived in Bay Village. That is why they were involved so quickly.

    There were many of the FBI agents from the Cleveland office that actually lived in Bay Village. That is why they were involved so quickly.

  • Sandy

    Sandy Michigan-The U.P.!

    Has anyone else wondered if the abductor is somehow tied to the school? Is it just a coincidence the assembly that day was about not talking to strangers, etc?

    Has anyone else wondered if the abductor is somehow tied to the school? Is it just a coincidence the assembly that day was about not talking to strangers, etc?

  • Luke

    Luke

    Thanks a lot for the episodes guys, appreciate your work. I like the idea of revisiting cases and going more in depth. This is a tragic story, and I hope there is closure soon.

    Thanks a lot for the episodes guys, appreciate your work. I like the idea of revisiting cases and going more in depth. This is a tragic story, and I hope there is closure soon.

  • Amanda

    Amanda Pennsylvania

    Captain and Nic-- Do you know if authorities have had the opportunity to use the M-vac technology on the blanket/curtain? Exciting to think of the possibilities/answers it could bring to Amy's case. Have fun at CrimeCon!

    Captain and Nic--
    Do you know if authorities have had the opportunity to use the M-vac technology on the blanket/curtain? Exciting to think of the possibilities/answers it could bring to Amy's case.
    Have fun at CrimeCon!

  • John

    John Wisconsin

    Nic, don't forget you revisited the Brian Schaffer case as well. I enjoy the revisits. You guys never mail it in. Unlike "Big-Shot Bob" Ruff and his 25 minute episodes between vacations.

    Nic, don't forget you revisited the Brian Schaffer case as well. I enjoy the revisits.

    You guys never mail it in. Unlike "Big-Shot Bob" Ruff and his 25 minute episodes between vacations.

  •  Abbie A

    Abbie A

    This case absolutely breaks my heart for Amy and her family. This POS took advantage of her being young and naive. I struggle with the part about her Mom’s promotion. Sometimes it makes me think he knew them and other times I think it was just a good ploy because kids don’t always know everything about their parents work environments. I’m not sure how I feel about all of the other phone calls being related to her case. I definitely feel like it was more common back then to receive prank or disturbing phone calls than today. There weren’t cell phones back then so houses had home phones. Many phone numbers were listed in the phone book too. My name had been in the local newspaper when I was about about 7/8 which would have been 88-89 for placing well at a local gymnastics competition. The newspaper printed my name and town. I had a very uncommon maiden name and we were the only ones in the phone book in the town we lived in with that last name. Just days after this, the phone rang and I answered it. Luckily my mom was doing dishes and she heard me say, This is Abbie so she knew the person specifically asked for me. This man says to me, “Do you have hair between your legs?” I was a little kid and had no idea what he meant. My Mom heard me say, “What do you mean do I have hair between my legs?” She flew across the kitchen and ripped the phone from my hand but of course the coward hung up when she said something to him. I’m thankful that my situation stopped at the phone call because phone book had our full address in it. I think phone calls were not uncommon back then and some of the others could have been made by other sickos maybe and just happened to be around the same time. He seemed to have her targeted I think.

    This case absolutely breaks my heart for Amy and her family. This POS took advantage of her being young and naive. I struggle with the part about her Mom’s promotion. Sometimes it makes me think he knew them and other times I think it was just a good ploy because kids don’t always know everything about their parents work environments.

    I’m not sure how I feel about all of the other phone calls being related to her case. I definitely feel like it was more common back then to receive prank or disturbing phone calls than today. There weren’t cell phones back then so houses had home phones. Many phone numbers were listed in the phone book too. My name had been in the local newspaper when I was about about 7/8 which would have been 88-89 for placing well at a local gymnastics competition. The newspaper printed my name and town. I had a very uncommon maiden name and we were the only ones in the phone book in the town we lived in with that last name. Just days after this, the phone rang and I answered it. Luckily my mom was doing dishes and she heard me say, This is Abbie so she knew the person specifically asked for me. This man says to me, “Do you have hair between your legs?” I was a little kid and had no idea what he meant. My Mom heard me say, “What do you mean do I have hair between my legs?” She flew across the kitchen and ripped the phone from my hand but of course the coward hung up when she said something to him. I’m thankful that my situation stopped at the phone call because phone book had our full address in it.

    I think phone calls were not uncommon back then and some of the others could have been made by other sickos maybe and just happened to be around the same time. He seemed to have her targeted I think.

  • Alexa & James Wheeler

    Alexa & James Wheeler Sikeston, MO

    I’m a long time listener (Alexa) and we are telling you as farmers that she was not left there right after the crime. She’s too close to the road. She would have been found! Whoever had that baby dumped her shortly before she was found!

    I’m a long time listener (Alexa) and we are telling you as farmers that she was not left there right after the crime. She’s too close to the road. She would have been found! Whoever had that baby dumped her shortly before she was found!

  • HEATHER

    HEATHER VA

    I wonder if they looked at anyone that was in her school that might have records to the girls and their phone number and know where their parents worked....

    I wonder if they looked at anyone that was in her school that might have records to the girls and their phone number and know where their parents worked....

  • Amanda

    Amanda Maryland

    Really great job this week, guys! Lots of good discussion. Nic, I appreciate you being willing to correct previous statements after learning more information. I wish more people could do that (in general) without feeling like they're losing some pride in the process. I wish you didn't feel the need to apologize for graphic descriptions. Here's my view: It's a true crime podcast. Details of the crime will be discussed. I know that some people are sensitive to certain topics (children, sexual assault, etc.). But the episode provides plenty of information early on for someone to decide to turn it off if they choose. Doesn't seem fair to me when people get upset that you describe gruesome details in a podcast that analyzes criminal cases. This would probably be too risky, but is there any chance that the killer was someone who worked at the school? Maybe behind the scenes, where students wouldn't easily recognize him, but he would still have access to student information? Or maybe he was a family member or friend of someone who worked at the school and managed to get access to the records? That could explain how someone the family didn't know could track Amy down and know that she was "his type." As I said, that might have been too risky a move, since SOMEONE could recognize him. But the more I try to think about it, the weirder it gets to think of who could convince Amy to go with him, but wasn't recognized by anyone, and no one in the community seemed to notice anyone acting strangely. It's weird to realize that Amy would be about 40 years old now. I'm sure her family has always wondered about the possibilities if she'd had a chance to grow up.

    Really great job this week, guys! Lots of good discussion. Nic, I appreciate you being willing to correct previous statements after learning more information. I wish more people could do that (in general) without feeling like they're losing some pride in the process.

    I wish you didn't feel the need to apologize for graphic descriptions. Here's my view: It's a true crime podcast. Details of the crime will be discussed. I know that some people are sensitive to certain topics (children, sexual assault, etc.). But the episode provides plenty of information early on for someone to decide to turn it off if they choose. Doesn't seem fair to me when people get upset that you describe gruesome details in a podcast that analyzes criminal cases.

    This would probably be too risky, but is there any chance that the killer was someone who worked at the school? Maybe behind the scenes, where students wouldn't easily recognize him, but he would still have access to student information? Or maybe he was a family member or friend of someone who worked at the school and managed to get access to the records? That could explain how someone the family didn't know could track Amy down and know that she was "his type." As I said, that might have been too risky a move, since SOMEONE could recognize him. But the more I try to think about it, the weirder it gets to think of who could convince Amy to go with him, but wasn't recognized by anyone, and no one in the community seemed to notice anyone acting strangely.

    It's weird to realize that Amy would be about 40 years old now. I'm sure her family has always wondered about the possibilities if she'd had a chance to grow up.

  • shellie

    shellie kansas city

    I heard twice 5'10' young girl and 90 lbs? im 5'5' and 150! im sure it was a mistake. Love the Boner remark captain. you crack me up! all your haters have no sense of humor! don't ever change.

    I heard twice 5'10' young girl and 90 lbs? im 5'5' and 150! im sure it was a mistake. Love the Boner remark captain. you crack me up! all your haters have no sense of humor! don't ever change.

  • Melissa

    Melissa Iows

    It seems logical that Amy's mother may have worked with Amy's killer. The killer would probably know the time of day her mother would call her after school. Familiar with her mother enough to fool Amy to think her mother received a promotion and deserved a gift. Also, mother's talk about their children all the time at work with their coworkers. The killer would know Amy without Amy knowing the killer.

    It seems logical that Amy's mother may have worked with Amy's killer. The killer would probably know the time of day her mother would call her after school. Familiar with her mother enough to fool Amy to think her mother received a promotion and deserved a gift. Also, mother's talk about their children all the time at work with their coworkers. The killer would know Amy without Amy knowing the killer.

  • Martin

    Martin England

    Great idea to go over old cases. This one and the Brian Shaffer case were really well done, but this Amy case should have been at least three parts. I know you said you will come back to it to cover the suspects , but wouldn't it have been better to do it all in a consecutive series? Nic's passion for this case shone through and made for a great listen, but at the end it felt like a film that ended at the beginning of the third act. I am a big fan of your show and hope you will see these comments as constructive criticism. Martin

    Great idea to go over old cases. This one and the Brian Shaffer case were really well done, but this Amy case should have been at least three parts. I know you said you will come back to it to cover the suspects , but wouldn't it have been better to do it all in a consecutive series?

    Nic's passion for this case shone through and made for a great listen, but at the end it felt like a film that ended at the beginning of the third act. I am a big fan of your show and hope you will see these comments as constructive criticism.
    Martin

  • Matt

    Matt Northern Virginia

    This was one of your finest episodes yet. I enjoy James Renner's writing, but his interviews sometimes are little, um, odd (e.g., the Ray Gricar episode). Re-visiting this case and putting it in your own words (including a few words that Nic invented) really put everything in its proper perspective and is much appreciated.

    This was one of your finest episodes yet. I enjoy James Renner's writing, but his interviews sometimes are little, um, odd (e.g., the Ray Gricar episode). Re-visiting this case and putting it in your own words (including a few words that Nic invented) really put everything in its proper perspective and is much appreciated.

  • mG

    mG tX

    This guy called multiple houses where little girls lived. At least three, but maybe a lot more. This guy is not cold calling, he knows houses that have little girls and he knows phone #s. To me, this is the crux of the case. This guy had a job that allowed him access to this information. Shot out of a cannon, he was associated with the school district in some way. Maybe maintenance, maybe bus driving, maybe a paraprofessional, don't know. But I do think he was seeing these girls in person and then finding out the other information on them he would need to make contact. I think it also explains why he set Friday afternoon as the time he abducted her. I think he coveted these girls five days a week and then moved on one after school on Friday.

    This guy called multiple houses where little girls lived. At least three, but maybe a lot more. This guy is not cold calling, he knows houses that have little girls and he knows phone #s. To me, this is the crux of the case. This guy had a job that allowed him access to this information. Shot out of a cannon, he was associated with the school district in some way. Maybe maintenance, maybe bus driving, maybe a paraprofessional, don't know. But I do think he was seeing these girls in person and then finding out the other information on them he would need to make contact. I think it also explains why he set Friday afternoon as the time he abducted her. I think he coveted these girls five days a week and then moved on one after school on Friday.

  • Rob

    Rob Florida

    Don’t discount the eye witness account on the CR where she was found no matter what the date was. As you certainly know some on these folks revisit dump sites often for a variety of reasons. I’d be more interested in the time this person was there which I apologize I don’t remember from your show which is very well done by the way. Early morning or late evening encounters in that area can be very interesting as we have learned from Ridgeway, Bundy and others. Just my two cents, but love the show. Thank you for helping me pass the time on long drives guys. Keep it up

    Don’t discount the eye witness account on the CR where she was found no matter what the date was. As you certainly know some on these folks revisit dump sites often for a variety of reasons. I’d be more interested in the time this person was there which I apologize I don’t remember from your show which is very well done by the way. Early morning or late evening encounters in that area can be very interesting as we have learned from Ridgeway, Bundy and others. Just my two cents, but love the show. Thank you for helping me pass the time on long drives guys. Keep it up

  • Barbara

    Barbara North Olmsted, Ohio

    I worked for an attorney until 1985, who then went on to be a city prosecutor in Cleveland, but lived in Bay Village. I was visiting his wife in the spring of 1990. Several Bay cops and I believe a detective lived right on their street and she told me that they said Amy was not sexually molested, that the detectives, at the time, felt that the person did it for the thrill of the kill. I don't know if that opinion has changed in the 29 years since this happened but apparently that was the school of thought at the time. Also, as a side note - you made a reference early in episode 1 to North Olmsted Falls. North Olmsted and Olmsted Falls are two different cities in Cuyahoga County.

    I worked for an attorney until 1985, who then went on to be a city prosecutor in Cleveland, but lived in Bay Village. I was visiting his wife in the spring of 1990. Several Bay cops and I believe a detective lived right on their street and she told me that they said Amy was not sexually molested, that the detectives, at the time, felt that the person did it for the thrill of the kill. I don't know if that opinion has changed in the 29 years since this happened but apparently that was the school of thought at the time. Also, as a side note - you made a reference early in episode 1 to North Olmsted Falls. North Olmsted and Olmsted Falls are two different cities in Cuyahoga County.

  • Melissa55

    Melissa55 Tennessee

    I wonder, from the timing of the event (Friday afternoon after school) if he was a teacher, possibly from another district, not the local school system or he might have been recognized locally. I wonder if he could have been a sponsor or teacher from his school accompanying his class to an event Amy might have participated in. He might have seen her, become intrigued, and found out more about her. As a teacher possibly in another district it wouldn’t have been hard. It made me wonder since the profiler said he probably felt more comfortable around children. He could have seen the other girls he tried to contact the same way. It just sounds like some sort of teacher or someone who works with youth. . Anyway thanks so much for all you do. Y’all are the best.

    I wonder, from the timing of the event (Friday afternoon after school) if he was a teacher, possibly from another district, not the local school system or he might have been recognized locally. I wonder if he could have been a sponsor or teacher from his school accompanying his class to an event Amy might have participated in. He might have seen her, become intrigued, and found out more about her. As a teacher possibly in another district it wouldn’t have been hard. It made me wonder since the profiler said he probably felt more comfortable around children. He could have seen the other girls he tried to contact the same way. It just sounds like some sort of teacher or someone who works with youth. . Anyway thanks so much for all you do. Y’all are the best.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    The other girls that were called did not go to Amy’s school. A lot of people were looked at - many in the first two weeks. This would have been persons at the school, were Amy rode horses, Anyone who knew Margaret and Mark including their co-workers. This does not mean the offender is not in one of those circles. Cheers Nic

    The other girls that were called did not go to Amy’s school. A lot of people were looked at - many in the first two weeks. This would have been persons at the school, were Amy rode horses, Anyone who knew Margaret and Mark including their co-workers. This does not mean the offender is not in one of those circles.
    Cheers Nic

  • Stephanie

    Stephanie Grove City, Ohio

    They didn't go to Amy's school, but I believe all of the girls who received calls had been to the Lake Erie Nature & Science Center, correct? Which is also somewhere this guy volunteered, prior to quitting his teaching career 1 year before retirement when the school district began requiring fingerprinting, and moved to Key West to work at Wendy's.: https://www.facebook.com/dean.runkle.79/timeline?lst=50602472%3A100004890420131%3A1560272304 The resemblance is uncanny, and there were a couple of eye witness accounts of seeing him at the shopping plaza with Amy, but I get that memories are not without error and most of the rest is circumstantial at best. I'm sure the police can't say anything since the investigation is still open, but I'd love to know whether or not the mitochondrial DNA excludes him or not.

    They didn't go to Amy's school, but I believe all of the girls who received calls had been to the Lake Erie Nature & Science Center, correct? Which is also somewhere this guy volunteered, prior to quitting his teaching career 1 year before retirement when the school district began requiring fingerprinting, and moved to Key West to work at Wendy's.: https://www.facebook.com/dean.runkle.79/timeline?lst=50602472%3A100004890420131%3A1560272304

    The resemblance is uncanny, and there were a couple of eye witness accounts of seeing him at the shopping plaza with Amy, but I get that memories are not without error and most of the rest is circumstantial at best. I'm sure the police can't say anything since the investigation is still open, but I'd love to know whether or not the mitochondrial DNA excludes him or not.

  • Kelli

    Kelli TX

    In the previous episode I believe that it was mentioned that the police had a photographer at the station. I wondered if he might also travel to different schools in the area for yearbook pictures. He would be able to see girls from different schools. He might also have contact information and the parents name on the packet/ order sheet for the school pictures.

    In the previous episode I believe that it was mentioned that the police had a photographer at the station. I wondered if he might also travel to different schools in the area for yearbook pictures. He would be able to see girls from different schools. He might also have contact information and the parents name on the packet/ order sheet for the school pictures.

  • Jo

    Jo Parts unknown

    Thinking about Amy’s case. Did anyone check out the stables where Amy was taking riding lessons? Maybe some weirdo was hanging around there or working there and got her number from her registration forms? Just a thought. Still listening to part 2. Thanks you guys! Awesome podcast! Cheers from parts unknown!

    Thinking about Amy’s case. Did anyone check out the stables where Amy was taking riding lessons? Maybe some weirdo was hanging around there or working there and got her number from her registration forms? Just a thought. Still listening to part 2. Thanks you guys! Awesome podcast! Cheers from parts unknown!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Hi Jo - Unfortunately we never got to any suspects on our recent Amy shows. Turns out too much to discuss and there are plenty of suspects. The very first suspect and I would dare to say prime suspect was an employee of the riding stables - he was eventually cleared as a suspect. Keep in mind no one is technically 100% cleared but this man was cleared of the reasons he was originally a suspect and he was very was cooperative with LE. Cheers Nic

    Hi Jo - Unfortunately we never got to any suspects on our recent Amy shows. Turns out too much to discuss and there are plenty of suspects. The very first suspect and I would dare to say prime suspect was an employee of the riding stables - he was eventually cleared as a suspect. Keep in mind no one is technically 100% cleared but this man was cleared of the reasons he was originally a suspect and he was very was cooperative with LE.
    Cheers Nic

  • Val

    Val AZ

    Just a thought... I think the perp lived with his mother. I think if we look at women with a single male child, divorced or widowed never remarried in the area it might narrow the suspect pool. His mother could have been a caretaker for children in one way or another and eventually stopped due to health issues possibly dementia.

    Just a thought... I think the perp lived with his mother. I think if we look at women with a single male child, divorced or widowed never remarried in the area it might narrow the suspect pool. His mother could have been a caretaker for children in one way or another and eventually stopped due to health issues possibly dementia.

  • Meg

    Meg Ohio

    I don’t know anything about anything but it sounds like the perpetrator could be someone who works in a school on a part time basis. Someone that can go in and out without too much notice like a substitute teacher or, even the mailman or photocopier repair man. Has access to the school, noticing children and could account for the time constraints of being available after school hours as well as the 2 other calls that were further from Amy’s town.

    I don’t know anything about anything but it sounds like the perpetrator could be someone who works in a school on a part time basis. Someone that can go in and out without too much notice like a substitute teacher or, even the mailman or photocopier repair man. Has access to the school, noticing children and could account for the time constraints of being available after school hours as well as the 2 other calls that were further from Amy’s town.

  • Gennie

    Gennie California

    Were Amy's clothes covered in blood? And have they sent the blood found in her underpants to the DNA lab?

    Were Amy's clothes covered in blood? And have they sent the blood found in her underpants to the DNA lab?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    It's believed that she may have been nude when killed - that is why they are pretty sure a sexual assault occurred or was attempted. This may mean that other than the spot found in the underpants there may have been no blood elsewhere. I feel very confident saying that blood has been tested. The statement often said is it was Amy's blood. Nic

    It's believed that she may have been nude when killed - that is why they are pretty sure a sexual assault occurred or was attempted. This may mean that other than the spot found in the underpants there may have been no blood elsewhere. I feel very confident saying that blood has been tested. The statement often said is it was Amy's blood.
    Nic

  • Jason

    Jason Michigan

    If she had plant growth in her clothes then she must have been dumped there early. There certainly wouldn't be any plants growing in December or January. Maybe something would still be growing at the end of October or first part of November? Also, since this happened before everyone had cell phones, I wonder where she made the call to her mother from? Pay phone? If so, you would think her mother would hear background noise since it was the middle of the afternoon.

    If she had plant growth in her clothes then she must have been dumped there early. There certainly wouldn't be any plants growing in December or January. Maybe something would still be growing at the end of October or first part of November? Also, since this happened before everyone had cell phones, I wonder where she made the call to her mother from? Pay phone? If so, you would think her mother would hear background noise since it was the middle of the afternoon.

  • J

    J Cleveland OH

    Such a sad case, I remember it happening and I've read up on it over the years, It does seem like the teacher suspect is probably responsible considering that the area that she was found is where he was from or was living at the time. I mean if you threw darts at a map with a 50 mile radius you'd hit that maybe one out of fifty times, just too much coincidence going on there for me. Although the dentist is kind of a strange character also. I think this is a case of the investigators probably knowing who did it but just lack the hard evidence to make the case for it. We listened to part 1 of the pod so far and will catch part 2 tomorrow. This venue has intrigued my daughter now so we will probably be listening to all of them in time. Who would have thought that in today's age , apparently you guys did and thanks for that, its better than TV. My daughter asked me if they ever looked into customers of Amy's father, she said that they probably talk about their wives & kids & sports

    Such a sad case, I remember it happening and I've read up on it over the years, It does seem like the teacher suspect is probably responsible considering that the area that she was found is where he was from or was living at the time. I mean if you threw darts at a map with a 50 mile radius you'd hit that maybe one out of fifty times, just too much coincidence going on there for me.

    Although the dentist is kind of a strange character also.

    I think this is a case of the investigators probably knowing who did it but just lack the hard evidence to make the case for it. We listened to part 1 of the pod so far and will catch part 2 tomorrow.

    This venue has intrigued my daughter now so we will probably be listening to all of them in time. Who would have thought that in today's age , apparently you guys did and thanks for that, its better than TV.

    My daughter asked me if they ever looked into customers of Amy's father, she said that they probably talk about their wives & kids & sports

  • J

    J Cleveland OH

    Trying to figure out the blanket and idk its a pretty shabby looking blanket, I guess if you can find one that matches it you might have something. They got Amy's dog's hair off it so obviously a tie to her there, probably where she was covered in it, it was found down the street so probably an animal took it from her and dragged it down the street, did they find any other animal hairs or signs of an animal on the curtain ? If not that could tell us that this guy may have not had pets or he just didn't have this curtain around them or the place where she was killed did not permit pets. So why was this blanket used, was it just handy, expendable, right size etc , was it because it was going to be hard to trace. We don't get to know much about the blanket other than what it looks like now and that there was Amy's dog's hair found on it. Amy bled to death somewhere, more than likely in a bathtub somewhere right ? She was hit on the head, I'll guess the hit to the head came before the knife wounds. Where can someone get away with this at they need a bathtub and they needed a phone that wasn't long distance to Bay Village. Trying to be logical it doesn't make sense that he pulled over and let Amy make a phone call at a pay phone, doubt if he walked into a store with her anywhere to make that call to her mother, where could he have walked into a building with her could be a hotel that he already had a key for or an apartment This became violent and it probably happened when Amy realized this wasn't what it was supposed to be,I seriously doubt that he made it very far away with her before the violence occurred. I think the logical conclusion is that he took her to a hotel or maybe an apartment not far away and that is where the call was made from and she was killed there the same day probably trying to fight or get out of there. So either that blanket was in the trunk of his car or it was in an apartment that he was using or he found it in a hotel room. Why would that curtain be in an apartment though unless it was actually on the window I mean essentially its garbage So that blanket points toward this being done in an apartment to me. He abducts her and while he still has some of her confidence he takes her to this apartment to make a phone call because the store he is pretending to take her to is probably very close to that apartment, she gets scared and fights , he kills her , cleans everything in the tub , takes this curtain off the window, wraps her up, takes her to Ruggles Ohio and leaves her that night, probably stays close to there that night so he can go back and check in the daytime. I think its an apartment, did any of the suspects live in an apartment within say a half our of Bay Village ? For Runkle It makes sense that this was near a school and done by a teacher from another district, as in there is no chance that one of his current students is going to be able to ID him in Bay because they are just getting out of school in another town themselves. My gut tells me this was all done in one day two at the most but she was killed the first day , and it didn't go the way he planned. The blanket was probably on a window or being used for some other reason in the place that she was killed, where ever that place is they didn't allow pets or he just didn't have any, apartment most likely but possibly a hotel room. Its not a fluke that she was left in Ruggles , Ruggles isn't on the way to anywhere that could not have been easier to get to at least a few different ways, this person was well acquainted with Ruggles. I don't think there is much doubt who did this. Its the teacher that knows kids, knows how to manipulate them and knows the area she was left at and who happens to look a lot like the sketches. So sad that he is still waking free. So , she was abducted Taken to an apartment under the pretense of using the phone or some other lie he made up. She made the call to her mom. She realizes she's in real trouble She tries to leave or fight He hits her in the head Removes her clothes ( because these do not have a lot of blood on them & haven't been washed because there was dog hair that then transferred to the blanket ? ) Kills her in the tub Waits until she stops bleeding Cleans up Puts her clothes back on her Wraps her in the curtain off the window Drives to Ruggles Leaves the body Stays nearby for at least another day Goes back to the apartment

    Trying to figure out the blanket and idk its a pretty shabby looking blanket, I guess if you can find one that matches it you might have something. They got Amy's dog's hair off it so obviously a tie to her there, probably where she was covered in it, it was found down the street so probably an animal took it from her and dragged it down the street, did they find any other animal hairs or signs of an animal on the curtain ? If not that could tell us that this guy may have not had pets or he just didn't have this curtain around them or the place where she was killed did not permit pets.

    So why was this blanket used, was it just handy, expendable, right size etc , was it because it was going to be hard to trace. We don't get to know much about the blanket other than what it looks like now and that there was Amy's dog's hair found on it.

    Amy bled to death somewhere, more than likely in a bathtub somewhere right ? She was hit on the head, I'll guess the hit to the head came before the knife wounds. Where can someone get away with this at they need a bathtub and they needed a phone that wasn't long distance to Bay Village. Trying to be logical it doesn't make sense that he pulled over and let Amy make a phone call at a pay phone, doubt if he walked into a store with her anywhere to make that call to her mother, where could he have walked into a building with her could be a hotel that he already had a key for or an apartment

    This became violent and it probably happened when Amy realized this wasn't what it was supposed to be,I seriously doubt that he made it very far away with her before the violence occurred. I think the logical conclusion is that he took her to a hotel or maybe an apartment not far away and that is where the call was made from and she was killed there the same day probably trying to fight or get out of there.

    So either that blanket was in the trunk of his car or it was in an apartment that he was using or he found it in a hotel room. Why would that curtain be in an apartment though unless it was actually on the window I mean essentially its garbage

    So that blanket points toward this being done in an apartment to me. He abducts her and while he still has some of her confidence he takes her to this apartment to make a phone call because the store he is pretending to take her to is probably very close to that apartment, she gets scared and fights , he kills her , cleans everything in the tub , takes this curtain off the window, wraps her up, takes her to Ruggles Ohio and leaves her that night, probably stays close to there that night so he can go back and check in the daytime. I think its an apartment, did any of the suspects live in an apartment within say a half our of Bay Village ?

    For Runkle It makes sense that this was near a school and done by a teacher from another district, as in there is no chance that one of his current students is going to be able to ID him in Bay because they are just getting out of school in another town themselves.

    My gut tells me this was all done in one day two at the most but she was killed the first day , and it didn't go the way he planned. The blanket was probably on a window or being used for some other reason in the place that she was killed, where ever that place is they didn't allow pets or he just didn't have any, apartment most likely but possibly a hotel room. Its not a fluke that she was left in Ruggles , Ruggles isn't on the way to anywhere that could not have been easier to get to at least a few different ways, this person was well acquainted with Ruggles. I don't think there is much doubt who did this. Its the teacher that knows kids, knows how to manipulate them and knows the area she was left at and who happens to look a lot like the sketches. So sad that he is still waking free.

    So , she was abducted
    Taken to an apartment under the pretense of using the phone or some other lie he made up.
    She made the call to her mom.
    She realizes she's in real trouble
    She tries to leave or fight
    He hits her in the head
    Removes her clothes ( because these do not have a lot of blood on them & haven't been washed because there was dog hair that then transferred to the blanket ? )
    Kills her in the tub
    Waits until she stops bleeding
    Cleans up
    Puts her clothes back on her
    Wraps her in the curtain off the window
    Drives to Ruggles
    Leaves the body
    Stays nearby for at least another day
    Goes back to the apartment

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