Barbara Blatnik /// 316 /// 317

36 comments

  • Emily

    Emily Tennessee

    Great episode but such a sad case!

    Great episode but such a sad case!

  • Alexis

    Alexis Waltham, MA

    Could the writing on the hand be an appointment or meet-up time? e.g. 10:00 and then a place name below?

    Could the writing on the hand be an appointment or meet-up time? e.g. 10:00 and then a place name below?

  • Regina M

    Regina M

    Very sad case. I was a bit freaked out at 40:30 when I heard a woman's voice say "yeah" right after the captain said something. It sounded like it was agreeing with what he was saying. Tell me I'm not the only one that heard this.

    Very sad case. I was a bit freaked out at 40:30 when I heard a woman's voice say "yeah" right after the captain said something. It sounded like it was agreeing with what he was saying. Tell me I'm not the only one that heard this.

  • D

    D Cleveland

    The "Bike shop" and Motorcycle Specialties are two different shops. Both owned at the time by the same family.

    The "Bike shop" and Motorcycle Specialties are two different shops. Both owned at the time by the same family.

  • Donna

    Donna Ohio

    This is Donna. Thank you for treating my sister with dignity and respect.

    This is Donna. Thank you for treating my sister with dignity and respect.

  • Stacy

    Stacy Long Island

    The thing I question with the “serial killer “ theory is if they say two people did this to Barbara then were there two people with the other women too? I don’t remember many serial killers working as a “partnership” I think that throws this off a bit. Unless it was a gang maybe ? Some kind of initiation ? 4 people and then your in?

    The thing I question with the “serial killer “ theory is if they say two people did this to Barbara then were there two people with the other women too? I don’t remember many serial killers working as a “partnership” I think that throws this off a bit. Unless it was a gang maybe ? Some kind of initiation ? 4 people and then your in?

  • mG

    mG tX

    I don't think this crime was related to those other murders, not any similarities. And I am still baffled why law enforcement would seek to amputate a hand for evidence purposes. Could you not take pictures or have your experts come examine it themselves? Seems like whatever evidence you were seeking from it could be obtained very quickly and without a need for such a drastic and disrespectful move. As a child of the 1980s and someone who knows all to well about living the life those kids lived, I am fairly certain that it was nobody connected to her. Kids talk, they can't shut up, and if someone in her crowd or from her school had done it, the story would have been all over the place. Just don't know what happened and never will. I share with you the frustration of police departments that don't settle crimes and sit on information. 30 plus years have passed, how about releasing maybe some info that might cause someone to infer something or create new interest? I live in Austin and still remember the Austin Yogurt Shop murders. Our police still are sitting on what they call "evidence," but they aren't working the case and refuse to release any info. It seems like there has to be a point when police start making more evidence known. The guys that did it might even be dead by now.

    I don't think this crime was related to those other murders, not any similarities. And I am still baffled why law enforcement would seek to amputate a hand for evidence purposes. Could you not take pictures or have your experts come examine it themselves? Seems like whatever evidence you were seeking from it could be obtained very quickly and without a need for such a drastic and disrespectful move. As a child of the 1980s and someone who knows all to well about living the life those kids lived, I am fairly certain that it was nobody connected to her. Kids talk, they can't shut up, and if someone in her crowd or from her school had done it, the story would have been all over the place. Just don't know what happened and never will. I share with you the frustration of police departments that don't settle crimes and sit on information. 30 plus years have passed, how about releasing maybe some info that might cause someone to infer something or create new interest? I live in Austin and still remember the Austin Yogurt Shop murders. Our police still are sitting on what they call "evidence," but they aren't working the case and refuse to release any info. It seems like there has to be a point when police start making more evidence known. The guys that did it might even be dead by now.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thank you Donna for allowing us to cover your sister's case and thank you for sharing your time and insights with us. I hope and pray that these episodes will stir the pot enough to bring new interest in solving your sister's case and the three other women's cases as well. Although I too think Barbie's case is likely not connected to other three. Anyone with info please reach out to the appropriate authorities or the facebook page. As always theories, thoughts, questions and information are welcome here. If there is something you wish to share but do not feel comfortable going to police you can email me. cheers Nic

    Thank you Donna for allowing us to cover your sister's case and thank you for sharing your time and insights with us. I hope and pray that these episodes will stir the pot enough to bring new interest in solving your sister's case and the three other women's cases as well. Although I too think Barbie's case is likely not connected to other three. Anyone with info please reach out to the appropriate authorities or the facebook page. As always theories, thoughts, questions and information are welcome here. If there is something you wish to share but do not feel comfortable going to police you can email me.
    cheers Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Hello All and thank you for posting. I'll try to field a bunch of these items with just one post. Yes Alexis - the writing very well could have been an appointment - without further info, the speculation could be endless. mG - great post as always... They amputated because they needed to send off for this laser testing. Now I have come across at least 5 cases, all from the 80's where this laser testing was all the rave for LE. However I only recall this actually working one out of those five cases. This is where they pulled hand writing info and evidence from a pad of paper. All times I've seen/heard where they run this test on a body, nothing comes of it. I don't fault them for trying but I agree with you mG this likely could have been handled differently. Stacy - the serial killer connection was brought forward by the media but in direct relation to Barbie's case. We only have the coroner's statements - that there was more than one person involved - nothing to back that up. So we are asking the question - how did he come to that conclusion? Without knowing what he knows or thinks we cannot decide if we agree with the more than one offender statement. Thanks Nic

    Hello All and thank you for posting. I'll try to field a bunch of these items with just one post.
    Yes Alexis - the writing very well could have been an appointment - without further info, the speculation could be endless. mG - great post as always... They amputated because they needed to send off for this laser testing. Now I have come across at least 5 cases, all from the 80's where this laser testing was all the rave for LE. However I only recall this actually working one out of those five cases. This is where they pulled hand writing info and evidence from a pad of paper. All times I've seen/heard where they run this test on a body, nothing comes of it. I don't fault them for trying but I agree with you mG this likely could have been handled differently.
    Stacy - the serial killer connection was brought forward by the media but in direct relation to Barbie's case. We only have the coroner's statements - that there was more than one person involved - nothing to back that up. So we are asking the question - how did he come to that conclusion? Without knowing what he knows or thinks we cannot decide if we agree with the more than one offender statement.
    Thanks Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    @ D Can you provide more information regarding the bike shop/ motorcycle specialties? I was under the assumption that bike shop was just a general term used by locals. But I did not grow up there so I think this info could be useful. Please fill us in. Thank you! - Nic

    @ D
    Can you provide more information regarding the bike shop/ motorcycle specialties?
    I was under the assumption that bike shop was just a general term used by locals. But I did not grow up there so I think this info could be useful. Please fill us in.
    Thank you! - Nic

  • Jeni

    Jeni From the block

    The school ring being left behind reason could be that the killer did not want to be caught with such a specific trophy. I was born in 65 so I graduated high school in the eighties and class rings with your insignia was a must for any high school kid and I think the killer knew this. Her random earrings and bracelets would have been run of the mill costume jewelry and easily explained. I am so appalled by the lack of investigation that should be taking place! We have so many ways to forensically solve murders. Removing her hand to take it for "laser testing" is horrendous. I don't believe she was going to her boyfriend's house that night. Hitting the bars at that time myself with my girlfriends and getting a guys number or getting a meet up address and writing it on your hand was pretty common. Also, the legal age for drinking may have been 18? I think she met a guy that night, probably a desirable bad boy and wanted to meet up later (been there-regretted that). Being a little too trusting, she met an evil man. Side note: I appreciate you guys covering the OCCK murders. I lived in Oakland Co. a few blocks north of 8 mile and I was around 11 or 12, my brother was 3 yrs older. I have an emotional attachment to that case and everything going on around and in Detroit at that time. So many shady happenings!! Again, mishandling of evidence and press. I want to see that one solved! Thanks for all you do!

    The school ring being left behind reason could be that the killer did not want to be caught with such a specific trophy. I was born in 65 so I graduated high school in the eighties and class rings with your insignia was a must for any high school kid and I think the killer knew this. Her random earrings and bracelets would have been run of the mill costume jewelry and easily explained.
    I am so appalled by the lack of investigation that should be taking place! We have so many ways to forensically solve murders. Removing her hand to take it for "laser testing" is horrendous. I don't believe she was going to her boyfriend's house that night. Hitting the bars at that time myself with my girlfriends and getting a guys number or getting a meet up address and writing it on your hand was pretty common. Also, the legal age for drinking may have been 18? I think she met a guy that night, probably a desirable bad boy and wanted to meet up later (been there-regretted that). Being a little too trusting, she met an evil man.
    Side note: I appreciate you guys covering the OCCK murders. I lived in Oakland Co. a few blocks north of 8 mile and I was around 11 or 12, my brother was 3 yrs older. I have an emotional attachment to that case and everything going on around and in Detroit at that time. So many shady happenings!! Again, mishandling of evidence and press. I want to see that one solved!
    Thanks for all you do!

  • Brandon

    Brandon League City, Texas

    Are there photos, or more text description, available of the neck injuries (e.g. coroner's report)? I remember you guys mentioned something about needing a scarf to cover the neck injuries for the funeral. Wondering if the injuries are consistent with manual strangulation using hands/fingers? object? or ligature strangulation?

    Are there photos, or more text description, available of the neck injuries (e.g. coroner's report)? I remember you guys mentioned something about needing a scarf to cover the neck injuries for the funeral. Wondering if the injuries are consistent with manual strangulation using hands/fingers? object? or ligature strangulation?

  • Terry

    Terry Mount Pleasant, SC

    I’m not satisfied with the high school ring being overlooked or the killer being unable to get it off. I think it was left there on purpose. The killer removed 5 or 6 pair of earrings, multiple bracelets. It doesn’t sound to me like he/they was in a hurry. And everyone I know and have asked understands high school rings have the name on the inside. I’ve been thinking about this and it just doesn’t sit right with me. Thanks for your show, I really enjoy it.

    I’m not satisfied with the high school ring being overlooked or the killer being unable to get it off. I think it was left there on purpose. The killer removed 5 or 6 pair of earrings, multiple bracelets. It doesn’t sound to me like he/they was in a hurry. And everyone I know and have asked understands high school rings have the name on the inside. I’ve been thinking about this and it just doesn’t sit right with me. Thanks for your show, I really enjoy it.

  • Amanda

    Amanda Maryland

    My first thought, when you said it's weird that she called home, is that maybe she was hanging out with someone shady and wanted to hint to her family that if she doesn't come home, something bad happened. But it sounds like she called early enough in the evening that it was unrelated. I feel like it's possible that the police really just don't have much at all to go on. But they don't want to say that directly, because you have to keep the killer worried that he'll get caught. In another episode, I forget which case, Nic had said that pretty much the best approach is to say something like "We have a lot of evidence to sort through," leaving it vague enough for the perpetrator to worry you've got something on him. Maybe that's sort of what's going on here. But if so, it's been long enough that maybe it's worth admitting you need more help. I hope that making the case more visible again might bring in someone who saw or remembers something.

    My first thought, when you said it's weird that she called home, is that maybe she was hanging out with someone shady and wanted to hint to her family that if she doesn't come home, something bad happened. But it sounds like she called early enough in the evening that it was unrelated.

    I feel like it's possible that the police really just don't have much at all to go on. But they don't want to say that directly, because you have to keep the killer worried that he'll get caught. In another episode, I forget which case, Nic had said that pretty much the best approach is to say something like "We have a lot of evidence to sort through," leaving it vague enough for the perpetrator to worry you've got something on him. Maybe that's sort of what's going on here. But if so, it's been long enough that maybe it's worth admitting you need more help.

    I hope that making the case more visible again might bring in someone who saw or remembers something.

  • Norah

    Norah Marin

    Does anyone know how her boyfriend and his brother died?

    Does anyone know how her boyfriend and his brother died?

  • J

    J Cleveland OH

    I would say that Blossom isn't a place that someone from or, at Warner road, is going to think is a great place to drive to, to leave a victim in 1987. You're going through several small communities that just love to pull people over and possibly some park rangers if you get into the parks, either one will pull you over in a heartbeat if you look the least bit suspicious or out of place in 1987, its just not a realistic thought for anyone that knew the area at the time. The last thing you would want to do is head that direction with a body. I would never believe it happened like that, if she was killed by Warner her body probably would have been found closer to home or just never found, there was no lack of similar places in the area. If we keep with the coroners timing then she was probably killed near Blossom and that is probably how Blossom became the sight, it sounds like this could have happened just before daylight, another reason to believe that the sight of the murder and the dumping of the body happened close together not 25 miles apart with time to spare to remove clothing and jewelry. No, she was probably killed and then instantly the decision was made to dump her body , it was probably dumped at the first suitable remote site they could get to which looks like was this desolate access road at Blossom. I'm only saying it looks like it happened near Blossom and not the Warner road area, that doesn't exclude anyone from the Warner area though. However, If the coroner is off by a couple hours which he should not be when considering the heat already on the county to solve these other murders then it can be a completely different story but right now he has said the murder and the body being left were close together. He seems to discount that the gas guy said she was breathing, apparently he doesn't think she was alive at that time.

    I would say that Blossom isn't a place that someone from or, at Warner road, is going to think is a great place to drive to, to leave a victim in 1987.

    You're going through several small communities that just love to pull people over and possibly some park rangers if you get into the parks, either one will pull you over in a heartbeat if you look the least bit suspicious or out of place in 1987, its just not a realistic thought for anyone that knew the area at the time. The last thing you would want to do is head that direction with a body.

    I would never believe it happened like that, if she was killed by Warner her body probably would have been found closer to home or just never found, there was no lack of similar places in the area.

    If we keep with the coroners timing then she was probably killed near Blossom and that is probably how Blossom became the sight, it sounds like this could have happened just before daylight, another reason to believe that the sight of the murder and the dumping of the body happened close together not 25 miles apart with time to spare to remove clothing and jewelry.

    No, she was probably killed and then instantly the decision was made to dump her body , it was probably dumped at the first suitable remote site they could get to which looks like was this desolate access road at Blossom.

    I'm only saying it looks like it happened near Blossom and not the Warner road area, that doesn't exclude anyone from the Warner area though.

    However, If the coroner is off by a couple hours which he should not be when considering the heat already on the county to solve these other murders then it can be a completely different story but right now he has said the murder and the body being left were close together. He seems to discount that the gas guy said she was breathing, apparently he doesn't think she was alive at that time.

  • Courtenay v

    Courtenay v Ct

    I haven't finished listening to the episode yet I'm getting impatient to ask this question but I'm trying to wait however can it be confirmed that the hand did indeed go to where they say it went ? Or should I just assume that it is confirmed which is why it's brought up at all I don't know I'm just wanting to hear there's a confirmation that the Han landed and the destination he said it was going to for the purposes that were intended etc I don't know I'm just confused feel like it's so open ended and someone can someone please lend me a hand here LOL haha that's not funny

    I haven't finished listening to the episode yet I'm getting impatient to ask this question but I'm trying to wait however can it be confirmed that the hand did indeed go to where they say it went ? Or should I just assume that it is confirmed which is why it's brought up at all I don't know I'm just wanting to hear there's a confirmation that the Han landed and the destination he said it was going to for the purposes that were intended etc I don't know I'm just confused feel like it's so open ended and someone can someone please lend me a hand here LOL haha that's not funny

  • Joy

    Joy New York

    I know this sounds morbid but can the family advocate to have her exhumed? I’m not far enough in the episode to know for sure but if she wasn’t cremated. I ask cause the nephew of one of the Boston strangler victims was convinced someone else had killed her but when they exhumed her there was still dna and it matched Albert di salvo so it had been him all along. With the dna testing we have today maybe they can get something that would have been missed in 1987?

    I know this sounds morbid but can the family advocate to have her exhumed? I’m not far enough in the episode to know for sure but if she wasn’t cremated. I ask cause the nephew of one of the Boston strangler victims was convinced someone else had killed her but when they exhumed her there was still dna and it matched Albert di salvo so it had been him all along. With the dna testing we have today maybe they can get something that would have been missed in 1987?

  • Tara

    Tara Strongsville, Ohio

    I was from Bedford Hts. OH and had 2 close cousins from Garfield Hts. Barbara is a little older than me but I tended to hang out with the older crowd during my teenage years. When I turned 12, we moved to Brecksville, OH off Snowville Rd. This is close to where Barbara was found. Many kids my age would drive around the area near Boston Mills Ski resort because it was rumored to have a Satanic church and ghost that walked the streets. The city is in Boston Hts, about a little over a mile from my home. The reason why i bring it up is that I know that kids would travel just to drive these streets in the middle of the night with their friends to get a good scare. It is not uncommon for kids from Bedford, Bedford Hts, Maple Hts, or Garfield Hts to drive through there. This could be the reason she was in that area. I hope they find how did this. I think it could be someone very close to her.

    I was from Bedford Hts. OH and had 2 close cousins from Garfield Hts. Barbara is a little older than me but I tended to hang out with the older crowd during my teenage years. When I turned 12, we moved to Brecksville, OH off Snowville Rd. This is close to where Barbara was found. Many kids my age would drive around the area near Boston Mills Ski resort because it was rumored to have a Satanic church and ghost that walked the streets. The city is in Boston Hts, about a little over a mile from my home.

    The reason why i bring it up is that I know that kids would travel just to drive these streets in the middle of the night with their friends to get a good scare. It is not uncommon for kids from Bedford, Bedford Hts, Maple Hts, or Garfield Hts to drive through there. This could be the reason she was in that area.

    I hope they find how did this. I think it could be someone very close to her.

  • Chrissy

    Chrissy Utica, NY

    Wow if this isn't similar to the Kimberly Simon case in CNY in 1985, two states away. It's really strange. Behind on episodes sorry for the late reply.

    Wow if this isn't similar to the Kimberly Simon case in CNY in 1985, two states away. It's really strange. Behind on episodes sorry for the late reply.

  • Donna

    Donna Garfield

    To clarify.... The Bike Shop was in Garfield Hts on Turney Road in a small storefront with a basement. That is where she went that night for a Christmas Party. Motorcycle Specialties was on Warner Road in Cleveland. A old timers motorcycle shop. Nothing to do with that night.

    To clarify....
    The Bike Shop was in Garfield Hts on Turney Road in a small storefront with a basement. That is where she went that night for a Christmas Party.
    Motorcycle Specialties was on Warner Road in Cleveland. A old timers motorcycle shop. Nothing to do with that night.

  • Donna

    Donna Garfield

    The writting on her hand was taxi cab phone number. Dr. Cox cut off her hand. Without telling the family. We did not know about it until we arrived at the funeral home for her wake! The hand was never returned to us! It is "missing"

    The writting on her hand was taxi cab phone number.
    Dr. Cox cut off her hand. Without telling the family.
    We did not know about it until we arrived at the funeral home for her wake!
    The hand was never returned to us! It is "missing"

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thank you Donna for clarification. Hope you are well. Looks like the episodes stirred the pot a bit. I'm hoping something new comes to light. Cheers Nic

    Thank you Donna for clarification. Hope you are well. Looks like the episodes stirred the pot a bit.
    I'm hoping something new comes to light.
    Cheers Nic

  • Philip Null

    Philip Null From Garfield Hts, Ohio. Now in Jacksonville NC

    Barbie was a very close friend of mine. She had taken taxi to my house the night she was murdered with a couple mutual friends. The writing on her hand was a taxi co.number. She told me about having to get number from information on a payphone due to no cell phones back then. They were worried about being stranded on the westside that night which was odd to me why they were on the westside of Cleveland. My friends and I were at my house drinking and was practically begging them to stay and join us since we hadn't seen each other for a while. She insisted she had to go to bike shop for a Christmas party. We were supposed to get together the following day, but I couldn't reach her. I had found out through a friend they found her murdered that Sunday morning. Was devastated to get the news about my dear friend. On Monday a couple friends and mine went to Cuyahoga Falls PD to give our statements I had told them about writing on her hand which I'm still baffled and upset that they had cut off her hand. I really think that CFPD really messed up with the investigation. Really would like to have some answers

    Barbie was a very close friend of mine. She had taken taxi to my house the night she was murdered with a couple mutual friends. The writing on her hand was a taxi co.number. She told me about having to get number from information on a payphone due to no cell phones back then. They were worried about being stranded on the westside that night which was odd to me why they were on the westside of Cleveland. My friends and I were at my house drinking and was practically begging them to stay and join us since we hadn't seen each other for a while. She insisted she had to go to bike shop for a Christmas party. We were supposed to get together the following day, but I couldn't reach her. I had found out through a friend they found her murdered that Sunday morning. Was devastated to get the news about my dear friend. On Monday a couple friends and mine went to Cuyahoga Falls PD to give our statements I had told them about writing on her hand which I'm still baffled and upset that they had cut off her hand. I really think that CFPD really messed up with the investigation. Really would like to have some answers

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous Garfield Heights

    It always bothered me emotionally since the first time I heard about what happened. I was a stockboy at Peters Market and you, your mom, and your sister would come in on Saturday morning. Your mom was great! I'd talked to her while she waited for her order and we would joke around. I was long gone from there when I seen the news, and remembered feeling so bad for your family. I'm just surprised with the advancements in technology that we can't bring the shitbag that did this to justice. I met your dad and few years back while playing cards on New years Eve. He's a genuinely nice guy and I'm happy to know him. I can't imagine the strain this has put on your lives. Time don't heal all wounds. It's time to get this resolved. You take care, Damien

    It always bothered me emotionally since the first time I heard about what happened. I was a stockboy at Peters Market and you, your mom, and your sister would come in on Saturday morning. Your mom was great! I'd talked to her while she waited for her order and we would joke around. I was long gone from there when I seen the news, and remembered feeling so bad for your family. I'm just surprised with the advancements in technology that we can't bring the shitbag that did this to justice. I met your dad and few years back while playing cards on New years Eve. He's a genuinely nice guy and I'm happy to know him. I can't imagine the strain this has put on your lives. Time don't heal all wounds. It's time to get this resolved. You take care, Damien

  • John

    John Seattle

    I don't know if you guys were around in the 80s but being just a couple of years older than she would have been I wouldn't discount the writing on her hand being a phone number. Most small towns still only had one area code (not multiple due to mobile phones) and one or two prefixes. For example a town is in the (503) area code and the phone number is (503) 564-xxxx is one prefix, you would only write down the xxxx numbers and a name, if there were 2 prefixes 564 and 567 say we always would have written 7-xxxx or 4-xxxx.

    I don't know if you guys were around in the 80s but being just a couple of years older than she would have been I wouldn't discount the writing on her hand being a phone number. Most small towns still only had one area code (not multiple due to mobile phones) and one or two prefixes. For example a town is in the (503) area code and the phone number is (503) 564-xxxx is one prefix, you would only write down the xxxx numbers and a name, if there were 2 prefixes 564 and 567 say we always would have written 7-xxxx or 4-xxxx.

  • J

    J Cleveland OH

    Were the plans to drop her off on Warner Road made at the bar on 71st Street or on the way after they left ? Thanks for clarifying the bike shop location.

    Were the plans to drop her off on Warner Road made at the bar on 71st Street or on the way after they left ?

    Thanks for clarifying the bike shop location.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Good thoughts John but to counter that in the 80's we had 871-xxxx and 875-xxxx. My friends and I all wrote down 871-xxxx or 875-xxxx - even though those additional were unnecessary. I agree though an older kid or adult would like skip the first two numbers. Rumor is it was the number for a cab company. That unfortunately opens the possibilities up more instead of shrinking them. Cheers Nic

    Good thoughts John but to counter that in the 80's we had 871-xxxx and 875-xxxx. My friends and I all wrote down 871-xxxx or 875-xxxx - even though those additional were unnecessary. I agree though an older kid or adult would like skip the first two numbers.
    Rumor is it was the number for a cab company. That unfortunately opens the possibilities up more instead of shrinking them.
    Cheers Nic

  • J

    J Cleveland OH

    Initials were no longer in use by then at least by younger people, I was mid 20's at that time and we never used them they were already outdated and TV commercials were no longer using them as they did in the 70's, it would have been odd to write those or even to know them but you never know I guess, and SE Cleveland had many of the 3 digit exchange numbers while I believe Garfield was mostly 883 & 641, my mother in law still has a 641 exchange there although all were under the 216 area code, so she would have needed 7 numbers , my hunch is if there is only 4 numbers she may have used the number before and just recalls the exchange but not the last 4 digits either that or the pen just didn't start writing on the first few characters maybe that is why they took the hand to see if they can find an impression or minute traces of ink maybe or broken skin or blood vessels or something on that order. I doubt that they took the hand without good reason. More than likely the cab co. had either a downtown exchange or a west side exchange near the airport, where were they getting their money to party on and ride cabs ? A cab from the west side to her neighborhood wasn't exactly cheap back then for a 17 year old, Did she work ? Were pictures shown to cab drivers to see if they recognized her from a possible previous ride that can recall the destination of ? Did she know a cabbie ? Was there a specific cabbie that maybe wouldn't charge them full rate ? Being that the numbers were written on her hand and her next stop was the bike-shop party then obviously there were more plans for the night than just those two stops, so why call her parents and tell her she'll be home soon ? Perhaps this is the point that the long-night plans fell apart and they were calling it a night then instead of actually breaking it up and going home maybe someone says hey let's take a ride to the bar on 71st ? Ultimately that is where they ended up and it doesn't sound like a plan to have a cab pick them up was necessary as the person with the car was also going so this was probably a consultation to some other place she was heading which now sounds like the west side somewhere because. Somewhere in her plans she expected at some point that she would not be with the girl that was driving but she also expected to be back in the neighborhood. It would be great to know more, these people involved were young and if alive they still are fairly young, it would be nice if they can give some more info on the night.

    Initials were no longer in use by then at least by younger people, I was mid 20's at that time and we never used them they were already outdated and TV commercials were no longer using them as they did in the 70's, it would have been odd to write those or even to know them but you never know I guess, and SE Cleveland had many of the 3 digit exchange numbers while I believe Garfield was mostly 883 & 641, my mother in law still has a 641 exchange there although all were under the 216 area code, so she would have needed 7 numbers , my hunch is if there is only 4 numbers she may have used the number before and just recalls the exchange but not the last 4 digits either that or the pen just didn't start writing on the first few characters maybe that is why they took the hand to see if they can find an impression or minute traces of ink maybe or broken skin or blood vessels or something on that order. I doubt that they took the hand without good reason.

    More than likely the cab co. had either a downtown exchange or a west side exchange near the airport, where were they getting their money to party on and ride cabs ? A cab from the west side to her neighborhood wasn't exactly cheap back then for a 17 year old, Did she work ? Were pictures shown to cab drivers to see if they recognized her from a possible previous ride that can recall the destination of ? Did she know a cabbie ? Was there a specific cabbie that maybe wouldn't charge them full rate ?

    Being that the numbers were written on her hand and her next stop was the bike-shop party then obviously there were more plans for the night than just those two stops, so why call her parents and tell her she'll be home soon ? Perhaps this is the point that the long-night plans fell apart and they were calling it a night then instead of actually breaking it up and going home maybe someone says hey let's take a ride to the bar on 71st ? Ultimately that is where they ended up and it doesn't sound like a plan to have a cab pick them up was necessary as the person with the car was also going so this was probably a consultation to some other place she was heading which now sounds like the west side somewhere because. Somewhere in her plans she expected at some point that she would not be with the girl that was driving but she also expected to be back in the neighborhood. It would be great to know more, these people involved were young and if alive they still are fairly young, it would be nice if they can give some more info on the night.

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    True Crime Garage

    J - unfortunately I do not know the answers to your questions. The cab number as far as I know is just a rumor. Unfortunately the hand was never returned to the family and also they never received any info on what was found by the tests conducted. No public statement has been made regarding what was written on her hand. I agree with you 100% - that's why we covered Barbie's case... This is solvable. I believe we have a high percentage chance that we have some form of DNA here to get a conviction, once LE has the right guy(s). We need everyone who knew Barbie to come forward and fill in the blanks from that night so we can really nail down where she was last, who she was with and where was she intending on going next. When the "task force" was formed they had the best chance of solving this one of the four - they should have put all efforts there and IMO we at least would not have FOUR unsolved murders. Nic

    J - unfortunately I do not know the answers to your questions. The cab number as far as I know is just a rumor. Unfortunately the hand was never returned to the family and also they never received any info on what was found by the tests conducted. No public statement has been made regarding what was written on her hand. I agree with you 100% - that's why we covered Barbie's case... This is solvable. I believe we have a high percentage chance that we have some form of DNA here to get a conviction, once LE has the right guy(s). We need everyone who knew Barbie to come forward and fill in the blanks from that night so we can really nail down where she was last, who she was with and where was she intending on going next. When the "task force" was formed they had the best chance of solving this one of the four - they should have put all efforts there and IMO we at least would not have FOUR unsolved murders.
    Nic

  • J

    J Cleveland OH

    I agree, of all the cases I have seen here this is the one that shows the most promise to me.

    I agree, of all the cases I have seen here this is the one that shows the most promise to me.

  • Sarah

    Sarah Cincinnati

    The PorchLight Project is testing “biological material” found under Barbie’s fingernails! The Season of Justice!

    The PorchLight Project is testing “biological material” found under Barbie’s fingernails! The Season of Justice!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Hi Sarah - thank you for posting this. True Crime Garage is very happy to be a part of the PorchLight Project. We were also very happy to feature Barbie's (very solvable) case on TCG. This was an effort and push to get her story back into the spotlight. We will certainly keep everyone up to date regarding any info that comes out in Barbie's case. Hers is one that we have revisited a couple of times on Off the Record. Cheers Nic

    Hi Sarah - thank you for posting this. True Crime Garage is very happy to be a part of the PorchLight Project. We were also very happy to feature Barbie's (very solvable) case on TCG. This was an effort and push to get her story back into the spotlight. We will certainly keep everyone up to date regarding any info that comes out in Barbie's case. Hers is one that we have revisited a couple of times on Off the Record.
    Cheers Nic

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    True Crime Garage

    Awesome! Thank you Donna! Cheers Nic

    Awesome! Thank you Donna!
    Cheers Nic

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