Barbara Blatnik /// 316 /// 317

18 comments

  • Emily

    Emily Tennessee

    Great episode but such a sad case!

    Great episode but such a sad case!

  • Alexis

    Alexis Waltham, MA

    Could the writing on the hand be an appointment or meet-up time? e.g. 10:00 and then a place name below?

    Could the writing on the hand be an appointment or meet-up time? e.g. 10:00 and then a place name below?

  • Regina M

    Regina M

    Very sad case. I was a bit freaked out at 40:30 when I heard a woman's voice say "yeah" right after the captain said something. It sounded like it was agreeing with what he was saying. Tell me I'm not the only one that heard this.

    Very sad case. I was a bit freaked out at 40:30 when I heard a woman's voice say "yeah" right after the captain said something. It sounded like it was agreeing with what he was saying. Tell me I'm not the only one that heard this.

  • D

    D Cleveland

    The "Bike shop" and Motorcycle Specialties are two different shops. Both owned at the time by the same family.

    The "Bike shop" and Motorcycle Specialties are two different shops. Both owned at the time by the same family.

  • Donna

    Donna Ohio

    This is Donna. Thank you for treating my sister with dignity and respect.

    This is Donna. Thank you for treating my sister with dignity and respect.

  • Stacy

    Stacy Long Island

    The thing I question with the “serial killer “ theory is if they say two people did this to Barbara then were there two people with the other women too? I don’t remember many serial killers working as a “partnership” I think that throws this off a bit. Unless it was a gang maybe ? Some kind of initiation ? 4 people and then your in?

    The thing I question with the “serial killer “ theory is if they say two people did this to Barbara then were there two people with the other women too? I don’t remember many serial killers working as a “partnership” I think that throws this off a bit. Unless it was a gang maybe ? Some kind of initiation ? 4 people and then your in?

  • mG

    mG tX

    I don't think this crime was related to those other murders, not any similarities. And I am still baffled why law enforcement would seek to amputate a hand for evidence purposes. Could you not take pictures or have your experts come examine it themselves? Seems like whatever evidence you were seeking from it could be obtained very quickly and without a need for such a drastic and disrespectful move. As a child of the 1980s and someone who knows all to well about living the life those kids lived, I am fairly certain that it was nobody connected to her. Kids talk, they can't shut up, and if someone in her crowd or from her school had done it, the story would have been all over the place. Just don't know what happened and never will. I share with you the frustration of police departments that don't settle crimes and sit on information. 30 plus years have passed, how about releasing maybe some info that might cause someone to infer something or create new interest? I live in Austin and still remember the Austin Yogurt Shop murders. Our police still are sitting on what they call "evidence," but they aren't working the case and refuse to release any info. It seems like there has to be a point when police start making more evidence known. The guys that did it might even be dead by now.

    I don't think this crime was related to those other murders, not any similarities. And I am still baffled why law enforcement would seek to amputate a hand for evidence purposes. Could you not take pictures or have your experts come examine it themselves? Seems like whatever evidence you were seeking from it could be obtained very quickly and without a need for such a drastic and disrespectful move. As a child of the 1980s and someone who knows all to well about living the life those kids lived, I am fairly certain that it was nobody connected to her. Kids talk, they can't shut up, and if someone in her crowd or from her school had done it, the story would have been all over the place. Just don't know what happened and never will. I share with you the frustration of police departments that don't settle crimes and sit on information. 30 plus years have passed, how about releasing maybe some info that might cause someone to infer something or create new interest? I live in Austin and still remember the Austin Yogurt Shop murders. Our police still are sitting on what they call "evidence," but they aren't working the case and refuse to release any info. It seems like there has to be a point when police start making more evidence known. The guys that did it might even be dead by now.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thank you Donna for allowing us to cover your sister's case and thank you for sharing your time and insights with us. I hope and pray that these episodes will stir the pot enough to bring new interest in solving your sister's case and the three other women's cases as well. Although I too think Barbie's case is likely not connected to other three. Anyone with info please reach out to the appropriate authorities or the facebook page. As always theories, thoughts, questions and information are welcome here. If there is something you wish to share but do not feel comfortable going to police you can email me. cheers Nic

    Thank you Donna for allowing us to cover your sister's case and thank you for sharing your time and insights with us. I hope and pray that these episodes will stir the pot enough to bring new interest in solving your sister's case and the three other women's cases as well. Although I too think Barbie's case is likely not connected to other three. Anyone with info please reach out to the appropriate authorities or the facebook page. As always theories, thoughts, questions and information are welcome here. If there is something you wish to share but do not feel comfortable going to police you can email me.
    cheers Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Hello All and thank you for posting. I'll try to field a bunch of these items with just one post. Yes Alexis - the writing very well could have been an appointment - without further info, the speculation could be endless. mG - great post as always... They amputated because they needed to send off for this laser testing. Now I have come across at least 5 cases, all from the 80's where this laser testing was all the rave for LE. However I only recall this actually working one out of those five cases. This is where they pulled hand writing info and evidence from a pad of paper. All times I've seen/heard where they run this test on a body, nothing comes of it. I don't fault them for trying but I agree with you mG this likely could have been handled differently. Stacy - the serial killer connection was brought forward by the media but in direct relation to Barbie's case. We only have the coroner's statements - that there was more than one person involved - nothing to back that up. So we are asking the question - how did he come to that conclusion? Without knowing what he knows or thinks we cannot decide if we agree with the more than one offender statement. Thanks Nic

    Hello All and thank you for posting. I'll try to field a bunch of these items with just one post.
    Yes Alexis - the writing very well could have been an appointment - without further info, the speculation could be endless. mG - great post as always... They amputated because they needed to send off for this laser testing. Now I have come across at least 5 cases, all from the 80's where this laser testing was all the rave for LE. However I only recall this actually working one out of those five cases. This is where they pulled hand writing info and evidence from a pad of paper. All times I've seen/heard where they run this test on a body, nothing comes of it. I don't fault them for trying but I agree with you mG this likely could have been handled differently.
    Stacy - the serial killer connection was brought forward by the media but in direct relation to Barbie's case. We only have the coroner's statements - that there was more than one person involved - nothing to back that up. So we are asking the question - how did he come to that conclusion? Without knowing what he knows or thinks we cannot decide if we agree with the more than one offender statement.
    Thanks Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    @ D Can you provide more information regarding the bike shop/ motorcycle specialties? I was under the assumption that bike shop was just a general term used by locals. But I did not grow up there so I think this info could be useful. Please fill us in. Thank you! - Nic

    @ D
    Can you provide more information regarding the bike shop/ motorcycle specialties?
    I was under the assumption that bike shop was just a general term used by locals. But I did not grow up there so I think this info could be useful. Please fill us in.
    Thank you! - Nic

  • Jeni

    Jeni From the block

    The school ring being left behind reason could be that the killer did not want to be caught with such a specific trophy. I was born in 65 so I graduated high school in the eighties and class rings with your insignia was a must for any high school kid and I think the killer knew this. Her random earrings and bracelets would have been run of the mill costume jewelry and easily explained. I am so appalled by the lack of investigation that should be taking place! We have so many ways to forensically solve murders. Removing her hand to take it for "laser testing" is horrendous. I don't believe she was going to her boyfriend's house that night. Hitting the bars at that time myself with my girlfriends and getting a guys number or getting a meet up address and writing it on your hand was pretty common. Also, the legal age for drinking may have been 18? I think she met a guy that night, probably a desirable bad boy and wanted to meet up later (been there-regretted that). Being a little too trusting, she met an evil man. Side note: I appreciate you guys covering the OCCK murders. I lived in Oakland Co. a few blocks north of 8 mile and I was around 11 or 12, my brother was 3 yrs older. I have an emotional attachment to that case and everything going on around and in Detroit at that time. So many shady happenings!! Again, mishandling of evidence and press. I want to see that one solved! Thanks for all you do!

    The school ring being left behind reason could be that the killer did not want to be caught with such a specific trophy. I was born in 65 so I graduated high school in the eighties and class rings with your insignia was a must for any high school kid and I think the killer knew this. Her random earrings and bracelets would have been run of the mill costume jewelry and easily explained.
    I am so appalled by the lack of investigation that should be taking place! We have so many ways to forensically solve murders. Removing her hand to take it for "laser testing" is horrendous. I don't believe she was going to her boyfriend's house that night. Hitting the bars at that time myself with my girlfriends and getting a guys number or getting a meet up address and writing it on your hand was pretty common. Also, the legal age for drinking may have been 18? I think she met a guy that night, probably a desirable bad boy and wanted to meet up later (been there-regretted that). Being a little too trusting, she met an evil man.
    Side note: I appreciate you guys covering the OCCK murders. I lived in Oakland Co. a few blocks north of 8 mile and I was around 11 or 12, my brother was 3 yrs older. I have an emotional attachment to that case and everything going on around and in Detroit at that time. So many shady happenings!! Again, mishandling of evidence and press. I want to see that one solved!
    Thanks for all you do!

  • Brandon

    Brandon League City, Texas

    Are there photos, or more text description, available of the neck injuries (e.g. coroner's report)? I remember you guys mentioned something about needing a scarf to cover the neck injuries for the funeral. Wondering if the injuries are consistent with manual strangulation using hands/fingers? object? or ligature strangulation?

    Are there photos, or more text description, available of the neck injuries (e.g. coroner's report)? I remember you guys mentioned something about needing a scarf to cover the neck injuries for the funeral. Wondering if the injuries are consistent with manual strangulation using hands/fingers? object? or ligature strangulation?

  • Terry

    Terry Mount Pleasant, SC

    I’m not satisfied with the high school ring being overlooked or the killer being unable to get it off. I think it was left there on purpose. The killer removed 5 or 6 pair of earrings, multiple bracelets. It doesn’t sound to me like he/they was in a hurry. And everyone I know and have asked understands high school rings have the name on the inside. I’ve been thinking about this and it just doesn’t sit right with me. Thanks for your show, I really enjoy it.

    I’m not satisfied with the high school ring being overlooked or the killer being unable to get it off. I think it was left there on purpose. The killer removed 5 or 6 pair of earrings, multiple bracelets. It doesn’t sound to me like he/they was in a hurry. And everyone I know and have asked understands high school rings have the name on the inside. I’ve been thinking about this and it just doesn’t sit right with me. Thanks for your show, I really enjoy it.

  • Amanda

    Amanda Maryland

    My first thought, when you said it's weird that she called home, is that maybe she was hanging out with someone shady and wanted to hint to her family that if she doesn't come home, something bad happened. But it sounds like she called early enough in the evening that it was unrelated. I feel like it's possible that the police really just don't have much at all to go on. But they don't want to say that directly, because you have to keep the killer worried that he'll get caught. In another episode, I forget which case, Nic had said that pretty much the best approach is to say something like "We have a lot of evidence to sort through," leaving it vague enough for the perpetrator to worry you've got something on him. Maybe that's sort of what's going on here. But if so, it's been long enough that maybe it's worth admitting you need more help. I hope that making the case more visible again might bring in someone who saw or remembers something.

    My first thought, when you said it's weird that she called home, is that maybe she was hanging out with someone shady and wanted to hint to her family that if she doesn't come home, something bad happened. But it sounds like she called early enough in the evening that it was unrelated.

    I feel like it's possible that the police really just don't have much at all to go on. But they don't want to say that directly, because you have to keep the killer worried that he'll get caught. In another episode, I forget which case, Nic had said that pretty much the best approach is to say something like "We have a lot of evidence to sort through," leaving it vague enough for the perpetrator to worry you've got something on him. Maybe that's sort of what's going on here. But if so, it's been long enough that maybe it's worth admitting you need more help.

    I hope that making the case more visible again might bring in someone who saw or remembers something.

  • Norah

    Norah Marin

    Does anyone know how her boyfriend and his brother died?

    Does anyone know how her boyfriend and his brother died?

  • J

    J Cleveland OH

    I would say that Blossom isn't a place that someone from or, at Warner road, is going to think is a great place to drive to, to leave a victim in 1987. You're going through several small communities that just love to pull people over and possibly some park rangers if you get into the parks, either one will pull you over in a heartbeat if you look the least bit suspicious or out of place in 1987, its just not a realistic thought for anyone that knew the area at the time. The last thing you would want to do is head that direction with a body. I would never believe it happened like that, if she was killed by Warner her body probably would have been found closer to home or just never found, there was no lack of similar places in the area. If we keep with the coroners timing then she was probably killed near Blossom and that is probably how Blossom became the sight, it sounds like this could have happened just before daylight, another reason to believe that the sight of the murder and the dumping of the body happened close together not 25 miles apart with time to spare to remove clothing and jewelry. No, she was probably killed and then instantly the decision was made to dump her body , it was probably dumped at the first suitable remote site they could get to which looks like was this desolate access road at Blossom. I'm only saying it looks like it happened near Blossom and not the Warner road area, that doesn't exclude anyone from the Warner area though. However, If the coroner is off by a couple hours which he should not be when considering the heat already on the county to solve these other murders then it can be a completely different story but right now he has said the murder and the body being left were close together. He seems to discount that the gas guy said she was breathing, apparently he doesn't think she was alive at that time.

    I would say that Blossom isn't a place that someone from or, at Warner road, is going to think is a great place to drive to, to leave a victim in 1987.

    You're going through several small communities that just love to pull people over and possibly some park rangers if you get into the parks, either one will pull you over in a heartbeat if you look the least bit suspicious or out of place in 1987, its just not a realistic thought for anyone that knew the area at the time. The last thing you would want to do is head that direction with a body.

    I would never believe it happened like that, if she was killed by Warner her body probably would have been found closer to home or just never found, there was no lack of similar places in the area.

    If we keep with the coroners timing then she was probably killed near Blossom and that is probably how Blossom became the sight, it sounds like this could have happened just before daylight, another reason to believe that the sight of the murder and the dumping of the body happened close together not 25 miles apart with time to spare to remove clothing and jewelry.

    No, she was probably killed and then instantly the decision was made to dump her body , it was probably dumped at the first suitable remote site they could get to which looks like was this desolate access road at Blossom.

    I'm only saying it looks like it happened near Blossom and not the Warner road area, that doesn't exclude anyone from the Warner area though.

    However, If the coroner is off by a couple hours which he should not be when considering the heat already on the county to solve these other murders then it can be a completely different story but right now he has said the murder and the body being left were close together. He seems to discount that the gas guy said she was breathing, apparently he doesn't think she was alive at that time.

  • Courtenay v

    Courtenay v Ct

    I haven't finished listening to the episode yet I'm getting impatient to ask this question but I'm trying to wait however can it be confirmed that the hand did indeed go to where they say it went ? Or should I just assume that it is confirmed which is why it's brought up at all I don't know I'm just wanting to hear there's a confirmation that the Han landed and the destination he said it was going to for the purposes that were intended etc I don't know I'm just confused feel like it's so open ended and someone can someone please lend me a hand here LOL haha that's not funny

    I haven't finished listening to the episode yet I'm getting impatient to ask this question but I'm trying to wait however can it be confirmed that the hand did indeed go to where they say it went ? Or should I just assume that it is confirmed which is why it's brought up at all I don't know I'm just wanting to hear there's a confirmation that the Han landed and the destination he said it was going to for the purposes that were intended etc I don't know I'm just confused feel like it's so open ended and someone can someone please lend me a hand here LOL haha that's not funny

  • Joy

    Joy New York

    I know this sounds morbid but can the family advocate to have her exhumed? I’m not far enough in the episode to know for sure but if she wasn’t cremated. I ask cause the nephew of one of the Boston strangler victims was convinced someone else had killed her but when they exhumed her there was still dna and it matched Albert di salvo so it had been him all along. With the dna testing we have today maybe they can get something that would have been missed in 1987?

    I know this sounds morbid but can the family advocate to have her exhumed? I’m not far enough in the episode to know for sure but if she wasn’t cremated. I ask cause the nephew of one of the Boston strangler victims was convinced someone else had killed her but when they exhumed her there was still dna and it matched Albert di salvo so it had been him all along. With the dna testing we have today maybe they can get something that would have been missed in 1987?

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