Black Dahlia Part 1 & 2 ////// Episodes 44 & 45

Black Dahlia ////// 44 

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On the morning of January 15, 1947 the nude murdered body of a young woman is found on a vacate lot in Los Angeles, California. Newspapers would dub the dark haired beauty "The Black Dahlia." LAPD could not solve this case and the murder case known as the Black Dahlia would go on to become a household name and a horrific crime featured in many books and movies. Who was the mysterious "Black Dahlia" victim, what were her movements and who were her friends and enemies in her life. This week we take a long hard look at this historic case. 

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Black Dahlia Part 2 ////// 45 

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After learning about Elizabeth Short A.K.A. "The Black Dahlia" we join our friend Mark from California to tell us more about the crime and who might be responsible. Why did the killer contact the newspapers. Why did the killer send Elizabeth's belongings to them. Was he trying to taunt the police or was the real killer or killers trying to implicate an innocent man. Join us in the garage as we discuss the famous Black Dahlia case with details and rumors that you've never heard before. 
Cheers, Nic and The Captain

16 comments

  • Redfisher

    Redfisher Canada

    Seems like the one on ones are harder than the scripted version... Even after 100's of podcasts Dan still struggles on True Murder I think. Hope you try some more and get better. Cheers.

    Seems like the one on ones are harder than the scripted version... Even after 100's of podcasts Dan still struggles on True Murder I think. Hope you try some more and get better. Cheers.

  • Jason

    Jason Indiana

    Shostrom's Black Dahlia interviews are an absurd embarrassment. For someone professing to be an expert, he seems to know precious little about the actual case; wasn't even accurate on the details of where and how the killer left Betty's purse and shoes after the crime; didn't spend any time at all reviewing the Hodel transcripts or the fact that he fled the country shortly after; barely even mentioned the BDA, which was a huge piece of this puzzle; seemingly completely ignorant to the Man Ray / surrealism connection, and the fact that a clean hemicorpectomy would be nearly impossible for a layperson to perform. This idiot rambled on for two hours and managed to not say much of anything! His ability to completely ignore a mountain of relevant information was simply stunning. Mark Hansen? Give me a fucking break! Typically love your podcast boys, but this was really, really bad. You can do better than this asshole.

    Shostrom's Black Dahlia interviews are an absurd embarrassment. For someone professing to be an expert, he seems to know precious little about the actual case; wasn't even accurate on the details of where and how the killer left Betty's purse and shoes after the crime; didn't spend any time at all reviewing the Hodel transcripts or the fact that he fled the country shortly after; barely even mentioned the BDA, which was a huge piece of this puzzle; seemingly completely ignorant to the Man Ray / surrealism connection, and the fact that a clean hemicorpectomy would be nearly impossible for a layperson to perform. This idiot rambled on for two hours and managed to not say much of anything! His ability to completely ignore a mountain of relevant information was simply stunning. Mark Hansen? Give me a fucking break! Typically love your podcast boys, but this was really, really bad. You can do better than this asshole.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Jason Hodel's book is great, agreed but I think the case deserves many opinions there has certainly been no lack of them so far. Cheers to you friend, Nic

    Jason Hodel's book is great, agreed but I think the case deserves many opinions there has certainly been no lack of them so far. Cheers to you friend, Nic

  • Turner

    Turner Texas

    Hey Nick & Captain, Love the podcast and the banter you guys have but please no more interviews with this guy or ones like him. There is a reason he writes books and does not speak. He put me to sleep in record time. It was a race between the boring induced coma from this guy or Phelps finishing a single lap race. More you guys less others

    Hey Nick & Captain,
    Love the podcast and the banter you guys have but please no more interviews with this guy or ones like him. There is a reason he writes books and does not speak. He put me to sleep in record time. It was a race between the boring induced coma from this guy or Phelps finishing a single lap race.

    More you guys less others

  • Jason

    Jason Indiana

    Nic, There are certainly other theories than Hodels's to investigate in this case, though those familiar with his research (and professional pedigree) must conclude that his is unquestionably the most solid. My main issue with Shostrom was his rampant ommissions, such as the lengthy BDA correspondence with the press and the fact that his Mark Hansen evidence basically boils down to "some people who knew Elizabeth decades ago didn't like Mark because he was a possessive boyfriend." That doesn't really cut it, you must admit. Again, I'm a big fan of what you guys do, and appreciate your previous reply! Take care, fellas...

    Nic,
    There are certainly other theories than Hodels's to investigate in this case, though those familiar with his research (and professional pedigree) must conclude that his is unquestionably the most solid. My main issue with Shostrom was his rampant ommissions, such as the lengthy BDA correspondence with the press and the fact that his Mark Hansen evidence basically boils down to "some people who knew Elizabeth decades ago didn't like Mark because he was a possessive boyfriend." That doesn't really cut it, you must admit.

    Again, I'm a big fan of what you guys do, and appreciate your previous reply! Take care, fellas...

  • Brooke

    Brooke New York

    Love listening to the show!! I know you guys are always are continuing research and looking into case- there is an awesome chapter about the Black Dahlia from FBI profiler John Douglas' book "The Cases that Haunt Us." Definitely wanted to pass forward the book because John Douglas goes into some great details about the case and the type of suspect he believed might have committed this crime. The book also goes into some of the other famous unsolved cases like Jack the Ripper, The Zodiac, and the Lindbergh Kidnapping. Much love from NY, B

    Love listening to the show!! I know you guys are always are continuing research and looking into case- there is an awesome chapter about the Black Dahlia from FBI profiler John Douglas' book "The Cases that Haunt Us."

    Definitely wanted to pass forward the book because John Douglas goes into some great details about the case and the type of suspect he believed might have committed this crime. The book also goes into some of the other famous unsolved cases like Jack the Ripper, The Zodiac, and the Lindbergh Kidnapping.

    Much love from NY,
    B

  • Tim

    Tim Chino Hills

    I am surprised at all the hate going on regarding Mark and his thoughts as this is a show that discusses possibilities and perspectives. I clearly heard him say that he liked to stick to things he had determined to be facts, so anyone hurt that their favorite theory wasn't mentioned doesn't understand how cottage industries are created around cases like this. People fail to realize that facts are often created from whole cloth because just because and author quotes a person with no real direct knowledge of the case, but once it's in print it must be true. Also amazing to me that people would comment on the tone of someone's voice. I wonder if they would have commented on appearance if it were Tv. And finally, Nic did an effective job of moving the interview along without belaboring any points to long or taking any longer detours. An interviewers job is to get the subjects story, which you did effectively. It's not to make the person speak a specific was or say specific things with a specific diction. Nic's performance was however overshadowed by the Captian's who I am sure was tipping back more than a few with his extra time. Stay Golden, Tim

    I am surprised at all the hate going on regarding Mark and his thoughts as this is a show that discusses possibilities and perspectives. I clearly heard him say that he liked to stick to things he had determined to be facts, so anyone hurt that their favorite theory wasn't mentioned doesn't understand how cottage industries are created around cases like this. People fail to realize that facts are often created from whole cloth because just because and author quotes a person with no real direct knowledge of the case, but once it's in print it must be true.

    Also amazing to me that people would comment on the tone of someone's voice. I wonder if they would have commented on appearance if it were Tv.

    And finally, Nic did an effective job of moving the interview along without belaboring any points to long or taking any longer detours. An interviewers job is to get the subjects story, which you did effectively. It's not to make the person speak a specific was or say specific things with a specific diction. Nic's performance was however overshadowed by the Captian's who I am sure was tipping back more than a few with his extra time.

    Stay Golden,
    Tim

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Tim Thank you for your kind and true words. Mark has great information and was very kind to take the time and speak with us. Glad you enjoyed the episodes. Captain

    Tim
    Thank you for your kind and true words. Mark has great information and was very kind to take the time and speak with us. Glad you enjoyed the episodes.

    Captain

  • Jack

    Jack Los Angeles

    Good stuff Mark. The bungalow mentioned in the passage about the 4 men in a Mercedes was actually on Catalina St very close to the Ambassador Hotel. It was supposedly Captain Jack Donahue who's "courtesy card" was in possession of one of the 4 men.

    Good stuff Mark. The bungalow mentioned in the passage about the 4 men in a Mercedes was actually on Catalina St very close to the Ambassador Hotel. It was supposedly Captain Jack Donahue who's "courtesy card" was in possession of one of the 4 men.

  • Sheen

    Sheen St Louis

    Loved the Dahlia episodes & thought Mark did a great job . Doesnt Hodel think his father was involved in every serial killing spree from that era ? Keep up the great work !

    Loved the Dahlia episodes & thought Mark did a great job . Doesnt Hodel think his father was involved in every serial killing spree from that era ? Keep up the great work !

  • Pamela

    Pamela Fontana

    Pretty new to your podcasts. But didn't like the one on Elizabeth Short. John Douglas and his inner circle are the smartest people I have ever read about.

    Pretty new to your podcasts. But didn't like the one on Elizabeth Short. John Douglas and his inner circle are the smartest people I have ever read about.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Pamela, I agree, John Doyglas is very smart and his team is very capable. However he did very clearly state that they came up with their profile of Short's killer without having reviewed the autopsy. This was through no fault of their own as the autopsy was not available to them but one must question their profile without it. Cheers, Nic

    Pamela,
    I agree, John Doyglas is very smart and his team is very capable. However he did very clearly state that they came up with their profile of Short's killer without having reviewed the autopsy. This was through no fault of their own as the autopsy was not available to them but one must question their profile without it.
    Cheers, Nic

  • Lissa

    Lissa Canada

    Bit late to the party, but I just finished listening to the two parts and I have to say I really loved it. I'm glad Mark didn't spend much, if any, time on the Dr. Hodel theory. It seems like every Black Dahlia story these days immediately go to that aspect and you don't hear about the rest of the story. I found the Mark Hansen info particularly interesting because I had not heard much about him so far in my studying of the case. All in all, great job, guys! ow onto your other episodes.

    Bit late to the party, but I just finished listening to the two parts and I have to say I really loved it. I'm glad Mark didn't spend much, if any, time on the Dr. Hodel theory. It seems like every Black Dahlia story these days immediately go to that aspect and you don't hear about the rest of the story. I found the Mark Hansen info particularly interesting because I had not heard much about him so far in my studying of the case.

    All in all, great job, guys! ow onto your other episodes.

  • kathy

    kathy tennessee

    I'm with Lissa, I found the interview fascinating! I loved hearing all the different avenues that the investigators had to cover. So, much more detailed.

    I'm with Lissa, I found the interview fascinating! I loved hearing all the different avenues that the investigators had to cover. So, much more detailed.

  • Bonny

    Bonny New York

    Nic and Captain, I came across your pod cast On roku/youtube channel during watching an episode of cold case files about Black Dahlia And during a part of it they mentioned that someone profiled the killer (killers) being a female. During your podcast interview with Mark, didn't he mention a woman who was possessed with the guy that rented the rooms to the girls where Elisabeth Short resided at? And according to those photos of Elizabeth Short's face that was brutally disfigured. It seems someone truly hated her. Since Elizabeth didn't pay him any attention but with him stilll trying to pursue her, his girlfiend could have took that jealousy over the edge into rage, since they both know each other could have arranged for Elizabeth to meet her and attacked her and called for assistance of jer boyfriend to meet her (forgot the guys name) and he mentioned the fourv guys in the car. Could have assisted in the cleanup. Just a thought since jealous women can go over the edge.

    Nic and Captain, I came across your pod cast
    On roku/youtube channel during watching an episode of cold case files about Black Dahlia
    And during a part of it they mentioned that someone profiled the killer (killers) being a female. During your podcast interview with
    Mark, didn't he mention a woman who was possessed with the guy that rented the rooms to the girls where Elisabeth Short resided at? And according to those photos of Elizabeth Short's face that was brutally disfigured. It seems someone truly hated her. Since Elizabeth didn't pay him any attention but with him stilll trying to pursue her, his girlfiend could have took that jealousy over the edge into rage, since they both know each other could have arranged for Elizabeth to meet her and attacked her and called for assistance of jer boyfriend to meet her (forgot the guys name) and he mentioned the fourv guys in the car. Could have assisted in the cleanup. Just a thought since jealous women can go over the edge.

  • Jenny Von B

    Jenny Von B Scotland, UK

    Great episodes. Nic, the Glasgow smile hails from the Scottish city of Glasgow, where victims are cut from each side of their mouth upwards to create a scar in the shape of a smile. The Scottish "Sons of Anarchy" actor Tommy Flanagan (he plays Chibs) has a Glasgow smile, but these days it's an incredibly rare sight. Love catching up with all these episodes on Stitcher!

    Great episodes. Nic, the Glasgow smile hails from the Scottish city of Glasgow, where victims are cut from each side of their mouth upwards to create a scar in the shape of a smile. The Scottish "Sons of Anarchy" actor Tommy Flanagan (he plays Chibs) has a Glasgow smile, but these days it's an incredibly rare sight. Love catching up with all these episodes on Stitcher!

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