Brandon Lawson 911 Tape /// Episodes 85 /// 86

325 comments

  • Jamie

    Jamie Forney TX

    It sounds like he is saying "This guy is out here preaching god and what not" something about being in "Abilene" "My truck ran out of gas." "I ran into him" I have no clue, I tried to listen and every time it sounded different. Maybe he was having a stroke, or having a manic episode.

    It sounds like he is saying "This guy is out here preaching god and what not" something about being in "Abilene" "My truck ran out of gas." "I ran into him" I have no clue, I tried to listen and every time it sounded different. Maybe he was having a stroke, or having a manic episode.

  • Liz

    Liz

    I think the second sentence is after "a field..at... 1st and ??? then he says "towards Avalon on both sides" When was his truck? what exits were around him? Isn't he trying to tell 911 where he was?

    I think the second sentence is after "a field..at... 1st and ??? then he says "towards Avalon on both sides" When was his truck? what exits were around him? Isn't he trying to tell 911 where he was?

  • Danielle

    Danielle Milwaukee, WI

    I hear "accidentally ran into 'em" instead of "not til we ran into 'em." Just thought I'd share! (I lerrrv this pidcast!)

    I hear "accidentally ran into 'em" instead of "not til we ran into 'em." Just thought I'd share! (I lerrrv this pidcast!)

  • Olivia

    Olivia Philly

    Looked up a map - highway 277 runs between San Angelo (where Brandon lived) and Abilene. Possibly/probably saying "heading toward Abilene on both sides." That's what I heard.

    Looked up a map - highway 277 runs between San Angelo (where Brandon lived) and Abilene. Possibly/probably saying "heading toward Abilene on both sides." That's what I heard.

  • Ellen

    Ellen Austin

    I think he is saying, heading towards Abeline which would make sense. After looking at satellite images (instead of sleeping, grrr) , I wonder if he could be saying 'state street' instead of strater or state trooper. 277 turns into state street Just south of Bronte where he could get gas. Maybe at state st he pulled over (flagged down) some guys to help him get gas? Or he pulled over at state street or was trying to but ran out of gas before getting there. OR he was walking north after car broke down. At state street guys pulled over. This is also just north of Colorado river I think. I think he was trying to give his location in that segment though. I dunno know. Check out satellite map. It will drive you nuts. there are a lot of dirt roads and paths coming off 277. It's creepy. I wouldn't want to break down there at night. If it was dark and he is walking along highway (state st) towards town (Bronte), there are a lot of places he could have ran into people who were coming out of or going into woods. There are turn offs everytwhere. I also thought I heard what could have been a car at one point which I think you also pointed out. Oh and before state trooper or state street , 'heading towards abeline' I can't remember exactly but in that segment somewhere, I was sure he said Cypress the first few times I heard it. No idea if there is a cypress rd or ranch or something near there but first few times you played it, It sounded like Cypress to me. Anyway, Cypress, heading towards abeline, state street....he is giving a location where someone pulled over or he ran into someone? Ugh. Cheers and Goodnight

    I think he is saying, heading towards Abeline which would make sense. After looking at satellite images (instead of sleeping, grrr) , I wonder if he could be saying 'state street' instead of strater or state trooper. 277 turns into state street Just south of Bronte where he could get gas. Maybe at state st he pulled over (flagged down) some guys to help him get gas? Or he pulled over at state street or was trying to but ran out of gas before getting there. OR he was walking north after car broke down. At state street guys pulled over. This is also just north of Colorado river I think. I think he was trying to give his location in that segment though. I dunno know. Check out satellite map. It will drive you nuts. there are a lot of dirt roads and paths coming off 277. It's creepy. I wouldn't want to break down there at night. If it was dark and he is walking along highway (state st) towards town (Bronte), there are a lot of places he could have ran into people who were coming out of or going into woods. There are turn offs everytwhere. I also thought I heard what could have been a car at one point which I think you also pointed out. Oh and before state trooper or state street , 'heading towards abeline' I can't remember exactly but in that segment somewhere, I was sure he said Cypress the first few times I heard it. No idea if there is a cypress rd or ranch or something near there but first few times you played it, It sounded like Cypress to me. Anyway, Cypress, heading towards abeline, state street....he is giving a location where someone pulled over or he ran into someone? Ugh. Cheers and Goodnight

  • Trish

    Trish Edmonton

    Ok this 911 call is so very sad. You can hear the terror in his voice. Here is what I heard: Yes I'm here in the middle of a field Stapper just pulled someone over We're out here going towards _______ on both sides My truck just ran out of gas There is one car here, got chased into the woods Please hurry (k run that by me again) One guys talking to him Hight tailing and he's gone (ahh you ran into him ok) He shot the first guy (Don't touch me) do you need an ambulance Yeah no I need the cops I don't know if that's what it said but I do know this poor guy was so scared it made me nauseous just listening without being able to help him. Thank you guys for putting your show out! Y'all are awesome!!

    Ok this 911 call is so very sad. You can hear the terror in his voice. Here is what I heard:
    Yes I'm here in the middle of a field
    Stapper just pulled someone over
    We're out here going towards _______ on both sides
    My truck just ran out of gas
    There is one car here, got chased into the woods
    Please hurry (k run that by me again)
    One guys talking to him
    Hight tailing and he's gone
    (ahh you ran into him ok)
    He shot the first guy
    (Don't touch me) do you need an ambulance
    Yeah no I need the cops

    I don't know if that's what it said but I do know this poor guy was so scared it made me nauseous just listening without being able to help him.
    Thank you guys for putting your show out! Y'all are awesome!!

  • Kevin rager

    Kevin rager Longview tx

    I am an oilfield worker. Born and raised in San Angelo TX. He is saying Abilene hwy 277 runs into Abilene.

    I am an oilfield worker. Born and raised in San Angelo TX. He is saying Abilene hwy 277 runs into Abilene.

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous

    I am an oilfield worker. Born and raised in San Angelo. Re guarding the Lawson tape. He says Abilene. Hwy 277 runs right into Abilene. I have zero doubt he is saying Abilene.

    I am an oilfield worker. Born and raised in San Angelo. Re guarding the Lawson tape. He says Abilene. Hwy 277 runs right into Abilene. I have zero doubt he is saying Abilene.

  • Kristin

    Kristin BC

    sounds to me like he's saying state bridges, they pushed him over

    sounds to me like he's saying state bridges, they pushed him over

  • Bill

    Bill Sacramento, Ca

    So, I just finished both episodes. My thoughts on what's said, "yes, I'm in the middle of a field escapin. Just threw (?) some guys over. Right here going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran outta gas, there's one car here, a guy chasin me into the woods. Please hurry. There's one guy talking to em. I totally ran into em. Just the first guy. Goddamn (unintelligible). Yeah..no I need the cops." Abilene, Tx is only an hour and a half from where this happened. My guess is that he started walking to get to a gas station, tried flagging down a car, and that car just happened to be full of some bad people. He was trying to get away when he called 911. I personally couldn't hear any shots or anything. As for the voice in the background. To me it sounds like "we got you" or "we'll get you."

    So, I just finished both episodes. My thoughts on what's said, "yes, I'm in the middle of a field escapin. Just threw (?) some guys over. Right here going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran outta gas, there's one car here, a guy chasin me into the woods. Please hurry. There's one guy talking to em. I totally ran into em. Just the first guy. Goddamn (unintelligible). Yeah..no I need the cops."

    Abilene, Tx is only an hour and a half from where this happened. My guess is that he started walking to get to a gas station, tried flagging down a car, and that car just happened to be full of some bad people. He was trying to get away when he called 911. I personally couldn't hear any shots or anything. As for the voice in the background. To me it sounds like "we got you" or "we'll get you."

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous

    I am new to this. I was born and raised in San Angelo. He says "going towards Abilene on bronte side" when trying to tell 911 operator his location.

    I am new to this. I was born and raised in San Angelo. He says "going towards Abilene on bronte side" when trying to tell 911 operator his location.

  • Cheryl Muscoe

    Cheryl Muscoe San Pedro, CA

    So, before I hear your second podcast, which I am about to start playing, I wanted to post my comments on what I thought I interpreted from Brandon Lawson's 911 Tape. I did not write it down as a dialogue and I only wrote down what I thought I heard him say: "Yes, I am in the middle of a field there's another guy and he got taken in the woods and burned out here going towards Avelino my truck ran out of gas there was one car here and I talk to the guy and he said the guy talk to you he said I ran into him he got the first guy now hunted him. No I need the cops I was talking to that one guy and they killed him" If it is difficult to clearly understand him say state trooper and it sounds like "staler" and it is not an audio real that has been edited, then it might be because he was out of breath and a lot of times when you're out of breath and your adrenaline is that you can't talk and you are breathing so hard that you skip syllables and can't complete sentences or words. Same thing happens when you are crying really hard so I that you can't breathe. I honestly think he was saying state trooper, though. However, before you said that and broke it down, I was thinking that he meant a trucker he was saying that a trucker pulled them over. I was picturing some crazed trucker person hunting and killing people. When you play the slowed down audio towards the end it sounds to me like gunshots like he's being shot by several different guns. And I can't imagine if maybe the state troopers have a game of Hunt that they play with people and that's what was going on and he just so happen to run into it because he had already been stopped on the road having run out of gas and saw these people get pulled over and hunted. I don't know. Or maybe he was freaking out and thought that they were after him but then that doesn't explain why he disappeared and why he was so afraid. I had a warrant for my arrest and it's really not that fucking scary. Now I'm going to turn on part two and I'm very interested in hearing what you have to say and what's your point of you is and what it is you think he said. Thanks so much for this podcast and all the podcasts that you do. Love your insight and dynamic. Well done

    So, before I hear your second podcast, which I am about to start playing, I wanted to post my comments on what I thought I interpreted from Brandon Lawson's 911 Tape. I did not write it down as a dialogue and I only wrote down what I thought I heard him say:

    "Yes, I am in the middle of a field there's another guy and he got taken in the woods and burned out here going towards Avelino my truck ran out of gas there was one car here and I talk to the guy and he said the guy talk to you he said I ran into him he got the first guy now hunted him. No I need the cops I was talking to that one guy and they killed him"

    If it is difficult to clearly understand him say state trooper and it sounds like "staler" and it is not an audio real that has been edited, then it might be because he was out of breath and a lot of times when you're out of breath and your adrenaline is that you can't talk and you are breathing so hard that you skip syllables and can't complete sentences or words. Same thing happens when you are crying really hard so I that you can't breathe. I honestly think he was saying state trooper, though. However, before you said that and broke it down, I was thinking that he meant a trucker he was saying that a trucker pulled them over. I was picturing some crazed trucker person hunting and killing people.
    When you play the slowed down audio towards the end it sounds to me like gunshots like he's being shot by several different guns. And I can't imagine if maybe the state troopers have a game of Hunt that they play with people and that's what was going on and he just so happen to run into it because he had already been stopped on the road having run out of gas and saw these people get pulled over and hunted. I don't know. Or maybe he was freaking out and thought that they were after him but then that doesn't explain why he disappeared and why he was so afraid. I had a warrant for my arrest and it's really not that fucking scary.
    Now I'm going to turn on part two and I'm very interested in hearing what you have to say and what's your point of you is and what it is you think he said.
    Thanks so much for this podcast and all the podcasts that you do. Love your insight and dynamic. Well done

  • Troy Beard

    Troy Beard Petersburg, Tennessee

    Yes Im in the middle of a field, a (tanker?) is just -reaching, right here going towards (inaudible) on both sides. My truck ran out of gas, there is one car here and a guy is chasing me through the woods, please hurry. I tried talking to him. I accidently ran into them (Crossed paths?) He shot the first guy. No I need the cops

    Yes Im in the middle of a field, a (tanker?) is just -reaching, right here going towards (inaudible) on both sides. My truck ran out of gas, there is one car here and a guy is chasing me through the woods, please hurry. I tried talking to him. I accidently ran into them (Crossed paths?) He shot the first guy. No I need the cops

  • Raea

    Raea California

    This is what I hear: Yes, I’m in the middle of a field____some guys over____we’re out here going towards Abeline on both sides. My truck ran out of gas, there's one car here, got chased int- (gasp) into the woods. Please hurry. ____one guy talkin’ to him. I accidentally ran into him. Just the first guy. egh-No, I need the cops. (I don't hear "Yeah." It sounds like a groan to me. Like the sort of sound you might make if you're lifting something heavy or reaching for something that's far away.

    This is what I hear:

    Yes, I’m in the middle of a field____some guys over____we’re out here going towards Abeline on both sides.
    My truck ran out of gas, there's one car here, got chased int- (gasp) into the woods. Please hurry.
    ____one guy talkin’ to him.
    I accidentally ran into him.
    Just the first guy.
    egh-No, I need the cops. (I don't hear "Yeah." It sounds like a groan to me. Like the sort of sound you might make if you're lifting something heavy or reaching for something that's far away.

  • Sisibearr

    Sisibearr

    First comment ever here. Another word for thought instead of state trooper could also be 'sniper'. And instead of him saying they are going towards a town or city, they could be going towards a road? Also, at the end where you hear someone talking in the background, it may not be in the background of Brandon but it could also be someone in the background around the dispatcher? Just my point on it. I listened to the whole thing with headphones on. Not saying I'm right but there's some other ideas I came up with.

    First comment ever here.
    Another word for thought instead of state trooper could also be 'sniper'.

    And instead of him saying they are going towards a town or city, they could be going towards a road?

    Also, at the end where you hear someone talking in the background, it may not be in the background of Brandon but it could also be someone in the background around the dispatcher?

    Just my point on it. I listened to the whole thing with headphones on. Not saying I'm right but there's some other ideas I came up with.

  • Updated Troy Beard

    Updated Troy Beard Petersburg, Tennessee

    Yes im in the middle of a field (inaudible) over right here going towards Abilene (inaudible) on both sides. My truck ran out of gas there's one car here a guys chasing me through the woods. please hurry. I can hear one guy talking to em. Ah I totally ran into em. (Oh you ran into them) Yeah the first guy. yeah, No, I need the cops.

    Yes im in the middle of a field (inaudible) over right here going towards Abilene (inaudible) on both sides.
    My truck ran out of gas there's one car here a guys chasing me through the woods. please hurry. I can hear one guy talking to em. Ah I totally ran into em. (Oh you ran into them) Yeah the first guy. yeah, No, I need the cops.

  • Michael

    Michael Washington DC

    This episode was really creepy and made me think of this: http://www.twincities.com/2015/10/13/brandon-swanson-search-resumes-in-western-minnesota/ I am not sure if you guys know of that case but there are some tangential similarities.

    This episode was really creepy and made me think of this:

    http://www.twincities.com/2015/10/13/brandon-swanson-search-resumes-in-western-minnesota/

    I am not sure if you guys know of that case but there are some tangential similarities.

  • Tracy

    Tracy Central Indiana

    I'm listening to the Brandon Lawson episode. I think he's saying Abilene, TX....I did a quick Google search of how far Bronte, TX was from Abilene and it's 56 miles or 58 minutes....not sure this is the direction of his father's house or not as I'm not 100% sure where his truck was found. This case has always scared me, thanks for covering it!

    I'm listening to the Brandon Lawson episode. I think he's saying Abilene, TX....I did a quick Google search of how far Bronte, TX was from Abilene and it's 56 miles or 58 minutes....not sure this is the direction of his father's house or not as I'm not 100% sure where his truck was found. This case has always scared me, thanks for covering it!

  • Krista

    Krista Florida

    It sounds to me like he's saying "there's one car here and the one guy chased me to the woods" and he says something about "the first guy" maybe? My theory of what I heard on the tape is that he was approached by 2 men in a vehicle as he was walking to find gas and things went south and he had to run away but the first guy chased him into the woods/field where he called 911.

    It sounds to me like he's saying "there's one car here and the one guy chased me to the woods" and he says something about "the first guy" maybe? My theory of what I heard on the tape is that he was approached by 2 men in a vehicle as he was walking to find gas and things went south and he had to run away but the first guy chased him into the woods/field where he called 911.

  • LouLouLeRoux

    LouLouLeRoux Toronto

    For the first phrase, I hear, "I'm in a middle of a field. A stater just pulled some guys over". So maybe a state trooper? Would that make sense for that area?

    For the first phrase, I hear, "I'm in a middle of a field. A stater just pulled some guys over". So maybe a state trooper? Would that make sense for that area?

  • Krista

    Krista Florida

    It also sounds like he may be talking about the city of Abilene TX, but with a southern accent it might sound like A-bil-en? Abilene is about an hour NE of Bronte, TX.

    It also sounds like he may be talking about the city of Abilene TX, but with a southern accent it might sound like A-bil-en?
    Abilene is about an hour NE of Bronte, TX.

  • Erika

    Erika San Antonio

    I'm so glad you guys are covering this. They lived in my home town of San Angelo and I'm super familiar with the area and what goes on. There is some bad elements around there for sure. My take...the cops are in on it.

    I'm so glad you guys are covering this. They lived in my home town of San Angelo and I'm super familiar with the area and what goes on. There is some bad elements around there for sure. My take...the cops are in on it.

  • Jesse

    Jesse Quakertown PA

    Guys, Abilene is 60 miles north of where Brandon's vehicle was found. The road it was on, Rt. 277 runs straight to it. I am sure he is saying Abilene on the tape.

    Guys, Abilene is 60 miles north of where Brandon's vehicle was found. The road it was on, Rt. 277 runs straight to it. I am sure he is saying Abilene on the tape.

  • Jenn

    Jenn Stephenville TX

    Hey guys! Just listened to podcast...the city Brandon is saying is "Abilene", which would be in the direction he was leaving San Angelo. Abilene is on I20, but one of the larger cities that people in this area could travel to with the 2 hour timeframe.

    Hey guys! Just listened to podcast...the city Brandon is saying is "Abilene", which would be in the direction he was leaving San Angelo. Abilene is on I20, but one of the larger cities that people in this area could travel to with the 2 hour timeframe.

  • Amy Miles

    Amy Miles Dell Rapids, South Dakota

    Hey Guys, Love this podcast! listening to the Brandon Lawson episode and the 911 tapes. On the 3rd sentence, can he be saying, " we are out here going to Abilene on both sides." ? Does highway 277 connect Bronte, TX with Abilene, TX? just a thought Keep up the great work!

    Hey Guys,
    Love this podcast! listening to the Brandon Lawson episode and the 911 tapes. On the 3rd sentence, can he be saying, " we are out here going to Abilene on both sides." ? Does highway 277 connect Bronte, TX with Abilene, TX? just a thought Keep up the great work!

  • Amanda Riley

    Amanda Riley

    Where I live, Staper is a State Trooper.

    Where I live, Staper is a State Trooper.

  • KH

    KH Texas

    My interpretation of the 911 call is pretty on point with yours other than one line. I clearly hear "My God" and not "that guy's hurt" in the background when the operator is asking if he needs an ambulance.

    My interpretation of the 911 call is pretty on point with yours other than one line. I clearly hear "My God" and not "that guy's hurt" in the background when the operator is asking if he needs an ambulance.

  • Michelle

    Michelle Nebraska

    Great show! Yes, im in the middle of a field, State Trooper just pulled some guys over right here going towards Abilene on both sides... my truck ran out of gas theres one car here got taken into the woods. Please hurry im not talking to them. ah, i totally ran into them.. not the first time. no, i need the cops.

    Great show!

    Yes, im in the middle of a field, State Trooper just pulled some guys over right here going towards Abilene on both sides... my truck ran out of gas theres one car here got taken into the woods. Please hurry im not talking to them. ah, i totally ran into them.. not the first time. no, i need the cops.

  • Ronnie

    Ronnie Maryland

    It sounds like he ran out of gas some guys saw him walking offered him a ride(why he's not close to the truck) while he's in the car a cop goes to pull them over they don't stop cop pit maneuvers them so the driver runs to one side of the highway and Brandon and the other guy run to the other side(hence both sides of highway). The first faint gun shot is the state trooper shooting the driver on the other side of the highway prob in the back so he knows he's going to be in trouble so now he's got to get rid of Brandon and the other guy because they will know. The other guys could be drug dealers from far away so that why there not missing or linked

    It sounds like he ran out of gas some guys saw him walking offered him a ride(why he's not close to the truck) while he's in the car a cop goes to pull them over they don't stop cop pit maneuvers them so the driver runs to one side of the highway and Brandon and the other guy run to the other side(hence both sides of highway). The first faint gun shot is the state trooper shooting the driver on the other side of the highway prob in the back so he knows he's going to be in trouble so now he's got to get rid of Brandon and the other guy because they will know. The other guys could be drug dealers from far away so that why there not missing or linked

  • Tiffany

    Tiffany Dallas Texas

    Staper could be "state trooper" rolled together

    Staper could be "state trooper" rolled together

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous

    Hello Nick & Captain! Big fan of your guys' show, and love the beer suggestions thrown in. Two of my favorite things as well. When I first saw you guys took on the Brandon Lawson case I was like Here we go again.. But I' glad you did! I first off want to congratulate Captain on the sound engineering! Hands down the best I've heard this particularly confusing 9-1-1 call. It's funny because every other time I've heard this tape, it always seemed to me like Brandon was giving directions to where he was. Sort of sounds like "I'm on the corner of Spruce and Cedar, coming up Gavlin on both sides." But both of you agree you here something completely different. "Stayper pushed .. over" Is it possible, because he is talking so fast that he was trying to say " A state trooper pulled some guys over" but was completely fumbling over his words because he was trying to speak quickly? Or maybe he was trying to give directions? I don't know but those are my thoughts. Thanks for the show! Always throwing up two episodes Willy nilly. And I'm trying to be a pattern supporter! I've got two kids so it's tough. But I'm going to see what I can do!

    Hello Nick & Captain!

    Big fan of your guys' show, and love the beer suggestions thrown in. Two of my favorite things as well.
    When I first saw you guys took on the Brandon Lawson case I was like Here we go again.. But I' glad you did! I first off want to congratulate Captain on the sound engineering! Hands down the best I've heard this particularly confusing 9-1-1 call.

    It's funny because every other time I've heard this tape, it always seemed to me like Brandon was giving directions to where he was. Sort of sounds like "I'm on the corner of Spruce and Cedar, coming up Gavlin on both sides." But both of you agree you here something completely different. "Stayper pushed .. over" Is it possible, because he is talking so fast that he was trying to say " A state trooper pulled some guys over" but was completely fumbling over his words because he was trying to speak quickly? Or maybe he was trying to give directions? I don't know but those are my thoughts.

    Thanks for the show! Always throwing up two episodes Willy nilly. And I'm trying to be a pattern supporter! I've got two kids so it's tough. But I'm going to see what I can do!

  • Sarah S

    Sarah S Jacksonville, FL

    You may go over what I am hearing verbatim in the line by line breakdown, but i wanted to post this first in case you don't. So you'll have my true first impression. *Yes I'm in the middle of a field *...(unintelligible)....guys over...right here, going towards Abilene on both sides. *My truck ran out of gas *There's one car here *I got chased in....to the woods *Please hurry *He's got one guy talkin' to him *I totally ran into him, just the first guy *Yea....no I need the cops

    You may go over what I am hearing verbatim in the line by line breakdown, but i wanted to post this first in case you don't. So you'll have my true first impression.
    *Yes I'm in the middle of a field
    *...(unintelligible)....guys over...right here, going towards Abilene on both sides.
    *My truck ran out of gas
    *There's one car here
    *I got chased in....to the woods
    *Please hurry
    *He's got one guy talkin' to him
    *I totally ran into him, just the first guy
    *Yea....no I need the cops

  • Lindsay

    Lindsay Riverside, CA

    Could "staper" be a jumble of state trooper? As in state trooper pulled some guys over? It would be completely strange, but maybe someone dressed as a state trooper. Weird conspiracy theory type thing, just a thought!

    Could "staper" be a jumble of state trooper? As in state trooper pulled some guys over? It would be completely strange, but maybe someone dressed as a state trooper. Weird conspiracy theory type thing, just a thought!

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous

    Cypress and Spruce were the street names I was hearing from previous bad edits. Where you guys heard "pushed" I heard "Spruce" but after hearing the Captains loops, I think I'm leaning more towards state trooper pulled some guys over.

    Cypress and Spruce were the street names I was hearing from previous bad edits. Where you guys heard "pushed" I heard "Spruce" but after hearing the Captains loops, I think I'm leaning more towards state trooper pulled some guys over.

  • Mike

    Mike

    Hi Nick and Captain. Great show on Brandon. I have seen a lot of translations online but the one that seems most accurate to me is below. The person who did this listed his credentials in another post as a sound engineer who used multiple programs to slow it down and clear out noise and static. Someone with username Matt Wilson on YouTube came up with this and it sounds dead on: A tone chimes. Operator: “911 emergency.” Brandon: “Yes, I'm in the middle of a field, I think we just pushed some guys over. (We’re out here) going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas, there’s one car here, a guy’s chasing me into the woods. Please hurry!” Operator: “Ok, now run that by me one more…” Brandon: “And we’re not talking to ‘em. I accidentally ran into ‘em.” Operator: “Ah, you ran into ‘em, ok!” Brandon: “Yes, the first guy. [The operator and Brandon speak at the same time, saying]: Brandon: (“I’ve got cuts!) Operator: “Do you need an ambulance? Brandon: “Yes, No! I need the cops! OPERATOR: “Ok… Is anybody hurt? Hello… Hello… Hello. End of recording. Reply

    Hi Nick and Captain.

    Great show on Brandon. I have seen a lot of translations online but the one that seems most accurate to me is below. The person who did this listed his credentials in another post as a sound engineer who used multiple programs to slow it down and clear out noise and static.

    Someone with username Matt Wilson on YouTube came up with this and it sounds dead on:

    A tone chimes.

    Operator: “911 emergency.”

    Brandon: “Yes, I'm in the middle of a field, I think we just pushed some guys over. (We’re out here) going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas, there’s one car here, a guy’s chasing me into the woods. Please hurry!”

    Operator: “Ok, now run that by me one more…”

    Brandon: “And we’re not talking to ‘em. I accidentally ran into ‘em.”

    Operator: “Ah, you ran into ‘em, ok!”

    Brandon: “Yes, the first guy.

    [The operator and Brandon speak at the same time, saying]:

    Brandon: (“I’ve got cuts!)
    Operator: “Do you need an ambulance?

    Brandon: “Yes, No! I need the cops!

    OPERATOR: “Ok… Is anybody hurt? Hello… Hello… Hello.

    End of recording.

    Reply

  • Matt

    Matt Houston TX

    The beginning sounds like he's trying to give the location of the field he's in. "yes I'm here in the middle of a field, at ___ and ___,  right here going towards abilene on both sides." His truck broke down on hwy 277, which goes right through abilene, TX. I think the blanks above are 2 parallel landmarks that straddle the field he's in. Perhaps creeks or roads?

    The beginning sounds like he's trying to give the location of the field he's in. "yes I'm here in the middle of a field, at ___ and ___,  right here going towards abilene on both sides." His truck broke down on hwy 277, which goes right through abilene, TX. I think the blanks above are 2 parallel landmarks that straddle the field he's in. Perhaps creeks or roads?

  • Tiffany

    Tiffany Dallas Texas

    He is saying going towards Abilene on both sides

    He is saying going towards Abilene on both sides

  • Brittany

    Brittany Austin, Texas

    He is definitely saying "Right here headed towards Abilene on both sides" Abilene is the biggest city northwest of Bronte. That has to be the city he mentions..not sure if it matters though. In Texas, small towns always describe direction by using the nearest large town as a point of reference.

    He is definitely saying "Right here headed towards Abilene on both sides" Abilene is the biggest city northwest of Bronte. That has to be the city he mentions..not sure if it matters though. In Texas, small towns always describe direction by using the nearest large town as a point of reference.

  • Michael

    Michael Washington DC

    (Thanks for sending me down the rabbit hole on this, guys) I have only listened to Ep. 1 so far, FTR. Under the assumption that there were three total phone calls, first to Brandon's brother, second to the police dispatcher and third to his brother again, could something like this have happened: B runs out of gas and calls his brother. As he waits, someone drives by and offers to take him up the road to get gas and bring him back. It is pretty soon after he called his brother, and he isn't sure it will work out so he doesn't call to tell his brother not to worry about it just yet. Something happens with the people who picked him up and he freaks out and tries to run. At this point he calls the dispatcher. He say's "I escaped," nothing about scraper or staper in that first line when calling 911. He runs into a more wooded area a few miles down the road (since the area where the truck was found doesn't appear wooded). The people who picked him up pursue him. He calls his brother a bit later when and tells him he 'is about 10 min up the road' but means 10 min driving time, not walking time. This could explain the ping 3 miles away as well. When the cop and brother show up, there appears to be no sign of activity. In addition when the trucker calls it in, he says it is an abandoned truck, not one with a guy in it or standing by it. Maybe all of the action took place down the road a bit. This is all total speculation but something that I thought about. It sounds like some of the recording may not have been directed at someone other than the dispatcher, almost like he was talking to someone else (with or pursuing him) while on the phone.

    (Thanks for sending me down the rabbit hole on this, guys)

    I have only listened to Ep. 1 so far, FTR.

    Under the assumption that there were three total phone calls, first to Brandon's brother, second to the police dispatcher and third to his brother again, could something like this have happened:

    B runs out of gas and calls his brother.

    As he waits, someone drives by and offers to take him up the road to get gas and bring him back. It is pretty soon after he called his brother, and he isn't sure it will work out so he doesn't call to tell his brother not to worry about it just yet.

    Something happens with the people who picked him up and he freaks out and tries to run. At this point he calls the dispatcher. He say's "I escaped," nothing about scraper or staper in that first line when calling 911. He runs into a more wooded area a few miles down the road (since the area where the truck was found doesn't appear wooded). The people who picked him up pursue him.

    He calls his brother a bit later when and tells him he 'is about 10 min up the road' but means 10 min driving time, not walking time. This could explain the ping 3 miles away as well.

    When the cop and brother show up, there appears to be no sign of activity. In addition when the trucker calls it in, he says it is an abandoned truck, not one with a guy in it or standing by it. Maybe all of the action took place down the road a bit.

    This is all total speculation but something that I thought about. It sounds like some of the recording may not have been directed at someone other than the dispatcher, almost like he was talking to someone else (with or pursuing him) while on the phone.

  • Keith

    Keith Atlanta GA

    The sentence where she is taking and he says something I hear him saying..... "Eirs' one guy taking to em'." Or in proper English....... " Their is one guy taking to him."

    The sentence where she is taking and he says something I hear him saying..... "Eirs' one guy taking to em'." Or in proper English.......
    " Their is one guy taking to him."

  • Heather

    Heather Pottstown, PA

    I think that other voice you are hearing could have come from the dispatcher's side. That would make a lot more sense to me- as her recording would be stronger and would be easier to pick up surrounding noise.

    I think that other voice you are hearing could have come from the dispatcher's side. That would make a lot more sense to me- as her recording would be stronger and would be easier to pick up surrounding noise.

  • Mike

    Mike

    Nick and Captain, I'm currently listening to your part one episode as I am writing this. You two are trying to dissect the 911 call. Not sure if it gets mentioned in the 2nd part but what he is saying is definitely Abilene on both Sides. Abilene is a small town very close to where he disappeared within 10 miles or so I believe so it's definitely that not some other Texas town that sounds like that. I'll post my theory after I hear part 2 and listen to your guy's theories. Part 1 was very good keep up the good work love the show.

    Nick and Captain,

    I'm currently listening to your part one episode as I am writing this. You two are trying to dissect the 911 call. Not sure if it gets mentioned in the 2nd part but what he is saying is definitely Abilene on both Sides. Abilene is a small town very close to where he disappeared within 10 miles or so I believe so it's definitely that not some other Texas town that sounds like that. I'll post my theory after I hear part 2 and listen to your guy's theories. Part 1 was very good keep up the good work love the show.

  • Corinne Raether

    Corinne Raether Dayton, OH

    My thoughts of what Brandon is saying...Here's what I hear. "Yeah, I'm in the middle of a field, the state trooper pulled some guy over. We're( I take this to mean him and possibly someone that is helping him get gas) out here going to Gavilon on both sides...( I take this to mean Brandon is pulled over on one side and the helping guy is parked on the other side headed toward the place to get gas.) "My truck ran outta gas there's one car here and that guy chased him to the woods... please hurry. " the next thing I think I hear is Brandon saying he was out here talking to him then that guy ran into him[possibly a second guy in a car] And next there's overlapping voice of dispatcher saying ohhh- you ran him, ok... next an Unidentified voice comes from the background and it seems as though he's talking to this person when he says "that's the first guy". [almost like he's correcting him]. then..dispatcher says do you need an ambulance he's saying yeah but quickly turns that to a no "I need the cops" dispatcher says ok. "Is there anybody hurt? Hello hello hello" and the noises to me sound like car revving, as if they're either chasing or coming toward him... just a theory though... bc then Brandon is no longer on the line... this one was fuuuuun to listen to.

    My thoughts of what Brandon is saying...Here's what I hear. "Yeah, I'm in the middle of a field, the state trooper pulled some guy over. We're( I take this to mean him and possibly someone that is helping him get gas) out here going to Gavilon on both sides...( I take this to mean Brandon is pulled over on one side and the helping guy is parked on the other side headed toward the place to get gas.) "My truck ran outta gas there's one car here and that guy chased him to the woods... please hurry. " the next thing I think I hear is Brandon saying he was out here talking to him then that guy ran into him[possibly a second guy in a car]
    And next there's overlapping voice of dispatcher saying ohhh- you ran him, ok... next an Unidentified voice comes from the background and it seems as though he's talking to this person when he says "that's the first guy". [almost like he's correcting him]. then..dispatcher says do you need an ambulance he's saying yeah but quickly turns that to a no "I need the cops" dispatcher says ok. "Is there anybody hurt? Hello hello hello" and the noises to me sound like car revving, as if they're either chasing or coming toward him... just a theory though... bc then Brandon is no longer on the line... this one was fuuuuun to listen to.

  • Cindy

    Cindy Kennedy

    Regarding the possible use of the words "State Trooper." In Texas, "state troopers" are called "DPS Officers"--not usually "state troopers." (DPS stands for "Department of Public Safety"). Only recently, have the words "State Trooper" been painted on the backs of DPS vehicles. For this reason, I think it's unlikely that Brandon used the phrase "State Trooper."

    Regarding the possible use of the words "State Trooper." In Texas, "state troopers" are called "DPS Officers"--not usually "state troopers." (DPS stands for "Department of Public Safety"). Only recently, have the words "State Trooper" been painted on the backs of DPS vehicles. For this reason, I think it's unlikely that Brandon used the phrase "State Trooper."

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous

    He's saying going towards Abilene. That's north on 277.

    He's saying going towards Abilene. That's north on 277.

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous

    Actually north east of where he is.

    Actually north east of where he is.

  • Rochelle

    Rochelle Dallas

    I'm listening to this right now at work so I couldn't write it down. I just wanted to get on quick and give my feedback. To me his first line almost sounds like, "yes I'm in the middle of a field" and then almost "this guy", and then maybe he stumbles on his words, " was just pushing guys over"..??

    I'm listening to this right now at work so I couldn't write it down. I just wanted to get on quick and give my feedback. To me his first line almost sounds like, "yes I'm in the middle of a field" and then almost "this guy", and then maybe he stumbles on his words, " was just pushing guys over"..??

  • Melissa

    Melissa NJ

    I listened to both episodes today and this is what I heard. Yes, I'm in the middle of a field. Swather (piece of farm equipment used to cute tall grass) was just pushing guys over. They're out here going toward Abaline on both sides. My truck ran out of gas There's one car here and guy chased {me} into the woods Please hurry Theres one guy talking to um I totally ran into um (Three syllables I hear is protect you) Got the first guy (That guys hurt or I got shot) (whos there) No I need the cops

    I listened to both episodes today and this is what I heard.

    Yes, I'm in the middle of a field.
    Swather (piece of farm equipment used to cute tall grass) was just pushing guys over.
    They're out here going toward Abaline on both sides.
    My truck ran out of gas
    There's one car here and guy chased {me} into the woods
    Please hurry

    Theres one guy talking to um
    I totally ran into um
    (Three syllables I hear is protect you)
    Got the first guy
    (That guys hurt or I got shot)
    (whos there)
    No I need the cops

  • Shelley

    Shelley Ft. Worth, TX

    He is saying ABILENE! Bronte is in between San Angelo and Abilene.

    He is saying ABILENE! Bronte is in between San Angelo and Abilene.

  • Kizzycat

    Kizzycat Wales uk

    Wow this is some weird stuff, fantastic episode

    Wow this is some weird stuff, fantastic episode

  • Kizzycat

    Kizzycat Wales uk

    Amazing episode so weird stuff going on with the phone call

    Amazing episode so weird stuff going on with the phone call

  • Kelli

    Kelli Fort Worth

    I live really close to Abilene and this is what it sounds like he said to me: Brandon: Yes, I'm in the middle of a field. The (state trooper?) just pulled some guys over. We're out here going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There's one car here. Guy take him to the woods. Please hurry. Operator: Okay, now run that by me one more… Brandon: Went over start talking to him. I accidentally ran into them. Operator: Oh, you ran into him? Brandon: That's the first guy. That guy tr… Operator: Do you need an ambulance? Brandon: No, I need the cops. Operator: Is anybody hurt? Operator: Hello. Hello? Hello? Chilling...to me, it sounds like he stumbled onto something bad in progress by accident and then was a witness. What's really weird is that we don't hear anything else. Like screaming or scuffling. This poor guy.

    I live really close to Abilene and this is what it sounds like he said to me:

    Brandon: Yes, I'm in the middle of a field. The (state trooper?) just pulled some guys over. We're out here going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There's one car here. Guy take him to the woods. Please hurry.

    Operator: Okay, now run that by me one more…

    Brandon: Went over start talking to him. I accidentally ran into them.

    Operator: Oh, you ran into him?

    Brandon: That's the first guy. That guy tr…

    Operator: Do you need an ambulance?

    Brandon: No, I need the cops.

    Operator: Is anybody hurt?

    Operator: Hello. Hello? Hello?

    Chilling...to me, it sounds like he stumbled onto something bad in progress by accident and then was a witness. What's really weird is that we don't hear anything else. Like screaming or scuffling. This poor guy.

  • Sam

    Sam New Mexico

    I'm pretty sure he says 'going towards Abilene on both sides'. Abilene is north of San Angelo on hwy 277.

    I'm pretty sure he says 'going towards Abilene on both sides'. Abilene is north of San Angelo on hwy 277.

  • Marcela

    Marcela Littleton, CO

    I find hard to believe that at the end of the tape Brandon or someone else would state that "that guy is hurt" if he answered "no, just need cops" when dispatcher asked him if he needed ambulance.. It also sounds to me that he is in the car or other cars are passing... Perhaps what sounded like gunshots could be car doors slamming shut?

    I find hard to believe that at the end of the tape Brandon or someone else would state that "that guy is hurt" if he answered "no, just need cops" when dispatcher asked him if he needed ambulance.. It also sounds to me that he is in the car or other cars are passing... Perhaps what sounded like gunshots could be car doors slamming shut?

  • Chelsea

    Chelsea Canada

    The portion of the 911 tape where you guys are speculating that the dude is saying "that guys hurt" ... Just a thought... I very distinctly hear "can you even hear me alright?" As in he's talking to dispatch. Because she hasn't responded to him in a while. I'm a 911 dispatcher myself and like to think I have an ear for garbled panicked chaos but who knows! Just my 2 cents

    The portion of the 911 tape where you guys are speculating that the dude is saying "that guys hurt" ... Just a thought... I very distinctly hear "can you even hear me alright?" As in he's talking to dispatch. Because she hasn't responded to him in a while. I'm a 911 dispatcher myself and like to think I have an ear for garbled panicked chaos but who knows! Just my 2 cents

  • Zach

    Zach Virginia

    Sounds like the call says: yes, I'm out here in the middle of a field (could be oil field), a "staper" (probably exhausted and slightly abbreviated redneck version of state trooper or the oil workereserves thing you guys mentioned.) Just pushed (probably misspeaking because of the exhaustion meaning to say pulled) some guys over right here going towards (sounds something like gavelin, someone should see if there are roads, places near his truck with a similar name.)both sides, (I think this may be his way of saying two lane road maybe with a median separating them). Muh (more slang due to exhaustion and accent, I think he means my) truck ran outta gas. There's one car here (inaudible I think due to exhaustion) chased (I think he may say one) to the woods, please hurry. Then the operator asks him to repeat when he cuts her off with : there's one guy talking to him (or they were just talking to him) (he says this next part as if he was surprised it happened) and I totally ran into em. (She interrupts and he seems not to listen to what she says because he says: I got one of the guys. (Then she asks if he needs the ambulance) he replies: no I need the cops. (This makes me think maybe he really did say staper in the oil slang term because his tone somewhat makes me think there are no police officers there. But it could be he's requesting more help because he believes the first "state trooper" is indisposed. Maybe tracking the other guy because he does say guy (s) earlier. At this point she asks is anybody hurt and seemingly his side of the line goes quiet after a brush of the receiver microphone can be heard. I'm not sure if that's his or her end. My thought is he stumbled upon some one who may be or he thought was a cop in some sort of confrontation with two men. I think the guys ran and he chased or saw where one guy ran and caught up to him. At this point I don't think he is aware of where the state trooper and the other guy is. I think he some how incapacitated or restrained one of the guys and made the call then. Now it would be my guess that the second guy then surfaced and the two guys did something with Brandon. I feel like if the state trooper was involved there would be a report or another account. Maybe that's why it took so long for the tape to be released, maybe I'm crazy. I haven't finished listening to the podcast yet but as always I love the work you guys do.

    Sounds like the call says: yes, I'm out here in the middle of a field (could be oil field), a "staper" (probably exhausted and slightly abbreviated redneck version of state trooper or the oil workereserves thing you guys mentioned.) Just pushed (probably misspeaking because of the exhaustion meaning to say pulled) some guys over right here going towards (sounds something like gavelin, someone should see if there are roads, places near his truck with a similar name.)both sides, (I think this may be his way of saying two lane road maybe with a median separating them). Muh (more slang due to exhaustion and accent, I think he means my) truck ran outta gas. There's one car here (inaudible I think due to exhaustion) chased (I think he may say one) to the woods, please hurry. Then the operator asks him to repeat when he cuts her off with : there's one guy talking to him (or they were just talking to him) (he says this next part as if he was surprised it happened) and I totally ran into em. (She interrupts and he seems not to listen to what she says because he says: I got one of the guys. (Then she asks if he needs the ambulance) he replies: no I need the cops. (This makes me think maybe he really did say staper in the oil slang term because his tone somewhat makes me think there are no police officers there. But it could be he's requesting more help because he believes the first "state trooper" is indisposed. Maybe tracking the other guy because he does say guy (s) earlier. At this point she asks is anybody hurt and seemingly his side of the line goes quiet after a brush of the receiver microphone can be heard. I'm not sure if that's his or her end. My thought is he stumbled upon some one who may be or he thought was a cop in some sort of confrontation with two men. I think the guys ran and he chased or saw where one guy ran and caught up to him. At this point I don't think he is aware of where the state trooper and the other guy is. I think he some how incapacitated or restrained one of the guys and made the call then. Now it would be my guess that the second guy then surfaced and the two guys did something with Brandon. I feel like if the state trooper was involved there would be a report or another account. Maybe that's why it took so long for the tape to be released, maybe I'm crazy. I haven't finished listening to the podcast yet but as always I love the work you guys do.

  • Kelli

    Kelli Fort Worth

    Oh, and before I listen to your thoughts...it sounded like real fear. He didn't sound drunk to me, he sounded terrified and that with his accent, made it hard to tell exactly what he was saying. It sounded like he was trying to communicate that he accidentally ran into something (not physically) that was bad. That there's a guy taking another person or persons out to the woods for something bad. I'm not sure if he said state trooper, but with the context and his local accent (FW is 2 hours from Abilene) and being scared, it seems possible in my mind. What on earth would that mean if so? I'm so sad for this guy and his family.

    Oh, and before I listen to your thoughts...it sounded like real fear. He didn't sound drunk to me, he sounded terrified and that with his accent, made it hard to tell exactly what he was saying. It sounded like he was trying to communicate that he accidentally ran into something (not physically) that was bad. That there's a guy taking another person or persons out to the woods for something bad.

    I'm not sure if he said state trooper, but with the context and his local accent (FW is 2 hours from Abilene) and being scared, it seems possible in my mind. What on earth would that mean if so? I'm so sad for this guy and his family.

  • QnBea

    QnBea Oceanside, CA

    I hear he is saying there is a sniper out here

    I hear he is saying there is a sniper out here

  • Kelli

    Kelli Fort Worth

    So sorry for multiple posts! Sounds like he ran state trooper together as "staper”. You guys said that it sounds like things are running together and that's exactly what I thought throughout the call. I know this accent and my best guess is he misspoke out of adrenalin. Not something that you could reproduce because it seemed like just panic talking and his mind running the words together. I don’t think there’s an edit. He’s running his words together for most the call and understandably so. “Staper” as an oil field term is interesting. When I think Abilene, though, I don’t think oil fields. More farming. It’s just 2 hours from Metroplex and when I think oil fields, I’d think you’d go about 5 hours out from where I am.

    So sorry for multiple posts! Sounds like he ran state trooper together as "staper”. You guys said that it sounds like things are running together and that's exactly what I thought throughout the call. I know this accent and my best guess is he misspoke out of adrenalin. Not something that you could reproduce because it seemed like just panic talking and his mind running the words together. I don’t think there’s an edit. He’s running his words together for most the call and understandably so.

    “Staper” as an oil field term is interesting. When I think Abilene, though, I don’t think oil fields. More farming. It’s just 2 hours from Metroplex and when I think oil fields, I’d think you’d go about 5 hours out from where I am.

  • Annabel

    Annabel Austin TX

    Okay okay I'm from Texas and he's definitely saying "going towards Abeliene." That's a city that a lot of roads go through since the interstate passes through it and people out there have thick accents and sound like that when they say Abeliene.

    Okay okay I'm from Texas and he's definitely saying "going towards Abeliene." That's a city that a lot of roads go through since the interstate passes through it and people out there have thick accents and sound like that when they say Abeliene.

  • Julie

    Julie Springfield, MO

    Here's what I think: 911 Emergency Yes, I’m in the middle of a field. Escaped to just pull some guys over right here going towards Abilene on both sides. There’s one car here. My truck ran out of gas. I gotta chase through the woods. Please hurry. OK run that by me one more . . . And when I talked to him, I totally ran into them. Ah you ran into him, ok I got the first guy. Do you need an Ambulance? No, I need the cops. OK. Is anybody hurt? Hello? Praying for the family and closure soon!

    Here's what I think:

    911 Emergency
    Yes, I’m in the middle of a field. Escaped to just pull some guys over right here going towards Abilene on both sides. There’s one car here. My truck ran out of gas. I gotta chase through the woods. Please hurry.
    OK run that by me one more . . .
    And when I talked to him, I totally ran into them.
    Ah you ran into him, ok
    I got the first guy.
    Do you need an Ambulance?
    No, I need the cops.
    OK. Is anybody hurt?
    Hello?

    Praying for the family and closure soon!

  • Amanda

    Amanda NYC

    What i heard from the tapes: Middle of Field ran some guys over tried to talk to them? both sides no gas in car please hurry ran into him ('em) need cops chased to (through) woods just the first guy

    What i heard from the tapes:
    Middle of Field
    ran some guys over
    tried to talk to them?
    both sides
    no gas in car
    please hurry
    ran into him ('em)
    need cops
    chased to (through) woods
    just the first guy

  • Rochelle

    Rochelle

    Just finished listening to both episodes. It sounds to me like he is saying... yes I'm in the middle of a field his guy was just pushing guys over... right here going towards Abilene on both sides... my truck ran out of gas there is one car here, the guy chased him through the woods please hurry..."inaudible" not talking to him... again inaudible then where he's going... yes the first guy.... no I need the cops... and then before that I almost hear that noise as a groan. It was really interesting listening to it slowed down and certain parts louder but overall that is what I took from it. I do have a few questions that I'm not sure if I just missed. Did this 9/11 dispatcher send anyone to the location? You said the cop that showed up was in response to the trucker call. The calls couldn't have been too far apart. Also, if both calls were placed relatively close together (not sure if there was a timeline between the two 9/11 calls or if I just missed it) but what happened to the other cars if he is saying som guy was pushing people off or chasing people through the woods? I don't think he says anything about a state trooper or if he did say state trooper then it was not a real police as it would have been recorded somewhere. Really interesting guys! I hope some more information comes forward!

    Just finished listening to both episodes. It sounds to me like he is saying... yes I'm in the middle of a field his guy was just pushing guys over... right here going towards Abilene on both sides... my truck ran out of gas there is one car here, the guy chased him through the woods please hurry..."inaudible" not talking to him... again inaudible then where he's going... yes the first guy.... no I need the cops... and then before that I almost hear that noise as a groan. It was really interesting listening to it slowed down and certain parts louder but overall that is what I took from it.

    I do have a few questions that I'm not sure if I just missed. Did this 9/11 dispatcher send anyone to the location? You said the cop that showed up was in response to the trucker call. The calls couldn't have been too far apart. Also, if both calls were placed relatively close together (not sure if there was a timeline between the two 9/11 calls or if I just missed it) but what happened to the other cars if he is saying som guy was pushing people off or chasing people through the woods? I don't think he says anything about a state trooper or if he did say state trooper then it was not a real police as it would have been recorded somewhere.

    Really interesting guys! I hope some more information comes forward!

  • Andrea Torres

    Andrea Torres

    So this is what I heard: Sentence 1 Yes, I'm in the middle of a field, this guy was just pushing guys over Sentence 2 We're out here going towards Abilene on both sides Sentence 3 My truck ran out of gas there's one car here, it got chased into the woods Sentence 4 Please hurry Sentence 5 I talked to him- I told you I didn't know him Sentence 6 That’s the first guy- that guy's hurt Sentence 7 Yeah no, I need the cops (I think the last portion sounded similar to a car going over a speed bump, perhaps someone running something or someone over in their car and then driving away?)

    So this is what I heard:
    Sentence 1 Yes, I'm in the middle of a field, this guy was just pushing guys over
    Sentence 2 We're out here going towards Abilene on both sides
    Sentence 3 My truck ran out of gas there's one car here, it got chased into the woods
    Sentence 4 Please hurry
    Sentence 5 I talked to him- I told you I didn't know him
    Sentence 6 That’s the first guy- that guy's hurt
    Sentence 7 Yeah no, I need the cops
    (I think the last portion sounded similar to a car going over a speed bump, perhaps someone running something or someone over in their car and then driving away?)

  • Amy Strahl

    Amy Strahl Frederick, MD

    I hear "They're out here goin' to Abilene on both sides." Rt. 277 is a road between Bronte & Abilene. They're about an hour apart.

    I hear "They're out here goin' to Abilene on both sides." Rt. 277 is a road between Bronte & Abilene. They're about an hour apart.

  • Cindy

    Cindy Doylestown, PA

    I can't stop listening to the 911 call!!!!

    I can't stop listening to the 911 call!!!!

  • L

    L

    The last yeah that was speculated as someone else but you guys thought was him, almost sounds like "who is that" to me. Like maybe someone else was there and was like who is that and when he said no I need he cops they were like oh hell no and took him. Just a thought ? Or even Brandon saw someone coming towards him and said who is that to himself.

    The last yeah that was speculated as someone else but you guys thought was him, almost sounds like "who is that" to me. Like maybe someone else was there and was like who is that and when he said no I need he cops they were like oh hell no and took him. Just a thought ? Or even Brandon saw someone coming towards him and said who is that to himself.

  • katiecakes

    katiecakes Vermont

    I hear right after he says I ran outta gas. 3 murders something.. a five yr and 8 yr old

    I hear right after he says I ran outta gas. 3 murders something.. a five yr and 8 yr old

  • Shelby

    Shelby

    I did not hear in the 911 call what it seems so many others are hearing I could not get past one word- I Do Not hear Staper or Stapler. This is what I hear.... O: 911 emergency B: Yes I'm in the middle of a field a "cypress" [breatheless] just pushed some guys over, out here going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There's one car here that got chased [breathless {into}] the woods, Please hurry." O: Ok run that by me... B: Tell 'em I'm talking to 'em. (as if speaking to someone there with someone that is with him) B: [breathless] someone ran into 'em O: Ahhh you ran into 'em ok. B: Just the first guy. O: Do you need an ambulance? B: Yeah (as if responding to a question from someone with him) No I need the cops. I could not get passed hearing "Cypress" every time I played the audio, it just doesn't sound like staper to me. So I started looking at how the word "Cypress" could be tied to the area. There is a flat bed trucking company named Cypress Trucking that has a Terminal in Abilene. Interesting.

    I did not hear in the 911 call what it seems so many others are hearing I could not get past one word- I Do Not hear Staper or Stapler. This is what I hear....
    O: 911 emergency
    B: Yes I'm in the middle of a field a "cypress" [breatheless] just pushed some guys over, out here going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There's one car here that got chased [breathless {into}] the woods, Please hurry."
    O: Ok run that by me...
    B: Tell 'em I'm talking to 'em. (as if speaking to someone there with someone that is with him)
    B: [breathless] someone ran into 'em
    O: Ahhh you ran into 'em ok.
    B: Just the first guy.
    O: Do you need an ambulance?
    B: Yeah (as if responding to a question from someone with him) No I need the cops.

    I could not get passed hearing "Cypress" every time I played the audio, it just doesn't sound like staper to me. So I started looking at how the word "Cypress" could be tied to the area.
    There is a flat bed trucking company named Cypress Trucking that has a Terminal in Abilene. Interesting.

  • MsBHayvin

    MsBHayvin Somewhere in Jersey

    I think he says "shot the first guy" and I acidently ran into them.I then he says "There's one guy talking to him." Is I,had to put a guess to this, there is an altercation that Brandon isn't involved in he accidently walks toward them hoping for help one guy shot the first guy. Bandon gets chased into the woods. He then calls 911 and tries to explain what is going on and he runs and hides. He is trying to explain to 911 what he is witnessing at that moment."there is one guy talking to him" and then he goes back and tries to explain how he ran into them. They hear him and he finishes what he is saying ...he stops talking, continues to hide until he feels safe to call his brother again. Thoughts?

    I think he says "shot the first guy" and I acidently ran into them.I then he says "There's one guy talking to him."
    Is I,had to put a guess to this, there is an altercation that Brandon isn't involved in he accidently walks toward them hoping for help one guy shot the first guy. Bandon gets chased into the woods. He then calls 911 and tries to explain what is going on and he runs and hides. He is trying to explain to 911 what he is witnessing at that moment."there is one guy talking to him" and then he goes back and tries to explain how he ran into them. They hear him and he finishes what he is saying ...he stops talking, continues to hide until he feels safe to call his brother again. Thoughts?

  • Meghan

    Meghan Charleston, SC

    What if in the first line of the 911 tape Brandon was saying " I'm in the middle of a field and this biker pulled some guys over?" Sounds like he could be slurring those worlds together - kind of slurring them together and stumbling over them. Also at the end of the tape when the dispatcher repeats, "hello?" it sounds like you can hear revving engine or engines.

    What if in the first line of the 911 tape Brandon was saying " I'm in the middle of a field and this biker pulled some guys over?" Sounds like he could be slurring those worlds together - kind of slurring them together and stumbling over them. Also at the end of the tape when the dispatcher repeats, "hello?" it sounds like you can hear revving engine or engines.

  • Perfectly Imperfect

    Perfectly Imperfect

    Interesting case, here is my interpretation of what Brandon was saying. "Yes, I am in the middle of the field. Maybe (A State Trooper just pulled some guys over) {A tractor just breached (or threw) some guys over}, right here going towards Abilene, on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There is one car here, it (or I) got taken (or chased) to the woods. Please hurry! I tried talking to him (or them) or {I got one guy, talking to him.} I accidentally ran into him... Just the first guy...No, I need the cops."

    Interesting case, here is my interpretation of what Brandon was saying.
    "Yes, I am in the middle of the field. Maybe (A State Trooper just pulled some guys over) {A tractor just breached (or threw) some guys over}, right here going towards Abilene, on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There is one car here, it (or I) got taken (or chased) to the woods. Please hurry! I tried talking to him (or them) or {I got one guy, talking to him.} I accidentally ran into him... Just the first guy...No, I need the cops."

  • Jessyca Rodgers

    Jessyca Rodgers Santa Cruz, CA

    I wanted to email you my interpretation on the 911 call: 9-1-1 Emergency: 9-1-1 Emergency? Brandon: Yes, I'm in the middle of the field ...by the sky bridges a guys push'n guys over. Goin' towards Abiline, on both sides........my truck ran out of gas... there's one car here .. I got a guy chasing me through woods. Please hurry. 9-1-1 Emergency: Ok. Now. Run that by me.....? Brandon: ( inaudible) - (possible "No, (or Oh) told you I ran into em") 9-1-1 Emergency: Ahhh...you ran into them? Ok. Brandon : ( inaudible) (got the first guy." ) 9-1-1 Emergency: Do you need an ambulance? *Possible Unknown Person says: "yeah" (this can be heard when tape is slowed) Brandon: "No, I need the cops." 9-1-1 Emergency: Is anyone hurt? 9-1-1 Emergency: Hello? (Original tape has three hello's.) 9-1-1 Emergency: Hello? 9-1-1 Emergency: Hello?

    I wanted to email you my interpretation on the 911 call:
    9-1-1 Emergency: 9-1-1 Emergency?
    Brandon: Yes, I'm in the middle of the field ...by the sky bridges a guys push'n guys over. Goin' towards Abiline, on both sides........my truck ran out of gas... there's one car here .. I got a guy chasing me through woods. Please hurry.
    9-1-1 Emergency: Ok. Now. Run that by me.....?
    Brandon: ( inaudible) - (possible "No, (or Oh) told you I ran into em")
    9-1-1 Emergency: Ahhh...you ran into them? Ok.
    Brandon : ( inaudible) (got the first guy." )
    9-1-1 Emergency: Do you need an ambulance?
    *Possible Unknown Person says: "yeah" (this can be heard when tape is slowed)
    Brandon: "No, I need the cops."
    9-1-1 Emergency: Is anyone hurt?
    9-1-1 Emergency: Hello?
    (Original tape has three hello's.)
    9-1-1 Emergency: Hello?
    9-1-1 Emergency: Hello?

  • Tasha

    Tasha Atlanta

    I 100% thought he was saying state trooper. Texas accents and southern accents are very similar!

    I 100% thought he was saying state trooper. Texas accents and southern accents are very similar!

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous

    Looks like no one's commented yet. Well, I'll make an attempt at what I hear in the tape, and I'm writing it down before I listened to Nic and Captain's analysis. I've labeled each gap with a comment. Dispatcher: 911 emergency? Brandon: Yes, I'm in the middle of a field, and [A] were just pushing guys over, right here going toward [B] on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There's [C] here, gotta check the woods. Please hurry. D: Okay, now run that by me -- B: [first bit overrun by dispatcher] when I talkin'* to him, I totally ran into him. D: Ahhh, you ran into him, okay. B: Yes**, the first guy. [additional words overrun by the dispatcher's question] D: Do you need an ambulance? B: [slight sound like maybe taking a breath] No, I need the cops. D: Okay. Is*** anybody hurt? Hello? Hello? Hello? Gaps: A. Sounds a bit like "they": "they" were just pushing guys over, but that doesn't feel like it's right. B. Name of a town? C. Sounds like he might have said "one" plus another word, like "one fella" or something. Comments (asterisked bits) * Here, grammatically, the phrase should be "when I _was_ talkin' to him" or "when I talked to him", but it sounds like he said "when I talkin' to him." I don't hear a "was", but the ending of "talk" sounds more like "-in(g)" than "-ed". ** My very first thought was he said "Yes, the first guy", but on listening to the slowed-down version, it might be "That's the first guy." *** It sounds here like she might have contracted the phrase "is there", like "is'ere anybody hurt". It sounds a bit like she added the R sound.

    Looks like no one's commented yet. Well, I'll make an attempt at what I hear in the tape, and I'm writing it down before I listened to Nic and Captain's analysis. I've labeled each gap with a comment.

    Dispatcher: 911 emergency?

    Brandon: Yes, I'm in the middle of a field, and [A] were just pushing guys over, right here going toward [B] on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There's [C] here, gotta check the woods. Please hurry.

    D: Okay, now run that by me --

    B: [first bit overrun by dispatcher] when I talkin'* to him, I totally ran into him.

    D: Ahhh, you ran into him, okay.

    B: Yes**, the first guy. [additional words overrun by the dispatcher's question]

    D: Do you need an ambulance?

    B: [slight sound like maybe taking a breath] No, I need the cops.

    D: Okay. Is*** anybody hurt? Hello? Hello? Hello?

    Gaps:

    A. Sounds a bit like "they": "they" were just pushing guys over, but that doesn't feel like it's right.
    B. Name of a town?
    C. Sounds like he might have said "one" plus another word, like "one fella" or something.

    Comments (asterisked bits)

    * Here, grammatically, the phrase should be "when I _was_ talkin' to him" or "when I talked to him", but it sounds like he said "when I talkin' to him." I don't hear a "was", but the ending of "talk" sounds more like "-in(g)" than "-ed".

    ** My very first thought was he said "Yes, the first guy", but on listening to the slowed-down version, it might be "That's the first guy."

    *** It sounds here like she might have contracted the phrase "is there", like "is'ere anybody hurt". It sounds a bit like she added the R sound.

  • Larisa

    Larisa Austin, Tx

    It's Abilene - hwy 277 runs to Abilene. Near the town, Bronte. "Right here going towards Abilene on both sides"

    It's Abilene - hwy 277 runs to Abilene. Near the town, Bronte.

    "Right here going towards Abilene on both sides"

  • MegZ

    MegZ

    The line that sounds like, "I totally ran into them," I think might be "I accidentally ran into them." Maybe he started walking and came up on something that he shouldn't have seen.

    The line that sounds like, "I totally ran into them," I think might be "I accidentally ran into them." Maybe he started walking and came up on something that he shouldn't have seen.

  • joseph

    joseph Boise idaho

    Hey there guys, how's it going. My name is Joe, and at present I live in Boise Idaho. However I am originally from Texas, where I grew up in a little North Texas town called Henrietta. Now, I was just listening to part 1 of Brandon Lawson and felt I should share some thoughts in regards to what has been said up to the end of part 1 on Brandon's 911 call. So, when I was growing up I had a fairly thick accent myself, almost non existent now I have lived in the Pacific Northwest for over a decade but once upon a time. Also, it is very important to take I to acct dialect as it is concerned in Texas. We are often found running words together such as imana or wishadiya which respectively mean I am fixing to and with you did you, and that list stretches further than I even care to try and think about. So keep that in mind as I proceed. Ok so first let's hit the "staper". I have numerous times while growing up heard state trooper crammed into staper or strooper or other mildly different variations. Next, yes stamper, notice the m in there, is the slang name of one of member in a crew not only in oilfield work but others as well like lineman work, it is the cable guy. so in the oil field the guy running the pipe, or cable feed, in line man work the guy running the cable. My issue with that is it seems to me he says staper just pulls some guys over, and then it stops. If it was push some guys over I would think into well or into stock tank or pond like pushed needs clarification of pushed where where if you are saying a cop pulled over, no further clarification as to where is needed. So my thoughts so far are he is in a field, probably cut across because it was shorter distance then following Rd, or maybe he was saw something and was shot at or attacked and ran off I to the field to hide, who knows, but either way he is in a field and had just witnessed in the very recent past few moments a state trooper had pulled some guys over and either something happened and he saw it or maybe something happened and their was an altercation he ran and is knowing trying to tell the operator the men that he had the altercation with he just saw a state trooper pull them over. Because there is no answer or yell or anything at the end of the call just an abrupt stop he either ditched the phone because they were on to him or he passed smooth out and they found him after or hogs which will eat everything including bone or something animal found him later and drug off the body.

    Hey there guys, how's it going. My name is Joe, and at present I live in Boise Idaho. However I am originally from Texas, where I grew up in a little North Texas town called Henrietta. Now, I was just listening to part 1 of Brandon Lawson and felt I should share some thoughts in regards to what has been said up to the end of part 1 on Brandon's 911 call. So, when I was growing up I had a fairly thick accent myself, almost non existent now I have lived in the Pacific Northwest for over a decade but once upon a time. Also, it is very important to take I to acct dialect as it is concerned in Texas. We are often found running words together such as imana or wishadiya which respectively mean I am fixing to and with you did you, and that list stretches further than I even care to try and think about. So keep that in mind as I proceed. Ok so first let's hit the "staper". I have numerous times while growing up heard state trooper crammed into staper or strooper or other mildly different variations. Next, yes stamper, notice the m in there, is the slang name of one of member in a crew not only in oilfield work but others as well like lineman work, it is the cable guy. so in the oil field the guy running the pipe, or cable feed, in line man work the guy running the cable. My issue with that is it seems to me he says staper just pulls some guys over, and then it stops. If it was push some guys over I would think into well or into stock tank or pond like pushed needs clarification of pushed where where if you are saying a cop pulled over, no further clarification as to where is needed. So my thoughts so far are he is in a field, probably cut across because it was shorter distance then following Rd, or maybe he was saw something and was shot at or attacked and ran off I to the field to hide, who knows, but either way he is in a field and had just witnessed in the very recent past few moments a state trooper had pulled some guys over and either something happened and he saw it or maybe something happened and their was an altercation he ran and is knowing trying to tell the operator the men that he had the altercation with he just saw a state trooper pull them over. Because there is no answer or yell or anything at the end of the call just an abrupt stop he either ditched the phone because they were on to him or he passed smooth out and they found him after or hogs which will eat everything including bone or something animal found him later and drug off the body.

  • joseph

    joseph Boise idaho

    Hey Joe again sorry hit he button to send by accident. The next line of the tape of the call out here on the road going to ? On both sides. You mentioned early in the episode he was on hwy 277 outside Bronte Texas. If you look at a map around Bronte and follow hey 277 directly north east you will see the city of Abilene Texas I believe he was saying he was on hwy 277 and since he was calling Bronte 911 he means when he says to Abilene on both sides he is confused and means between the operator in Bronte and Abilene on hwy 277.

    Hey Joe again sorry hit he button to send by accident. The next line of the tape of the call out here on the road going to ? On both sides. You mentioned early in the episode he was on hwy 277 outside Bronte Texas. If you look at a map around Bronte and follow hey 277 directly north east you will see the city of Abilene Texas I believe he was saying he was on hwy 277 and since he was calling Bronte 911 he means when he says to Abilene on both sides he is confused and means between the operator in Bronte and Abilene on hwy 277.

  • Jack McLaughlin

    Jack McLaughlin Madison, WI

    Hey guys -- I love the show, thanks for putting it out. I just have 1 comment on the Brandon Lawson episode. It seemed to me like he was saying "Going toward Abilene", which is the next major city On 277, northwest of his car. I don't think this really clears anything else up, but it's worth noting. Thanks!

    Hey guys -- I love the show, thanks for putting it out. I just have 1 comment on the Brandon Lawson episode. It seemed to me like he was saying "Going toward Abilene", which is the next major city On 277, northwest of his car. I don't think this really clears anything else up, but it's worth noting. Thanks!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Dear All, I love the comments. Everyone's got some interesting insights here. It's amazing how we all kind of hear something a little different. Everyone heard what I think I hear but here it is anyway... Just Brandon's portion Yes, I'm in the middle of a field Sta-trooper pulled some guys over Their out here going toward (gavalin) on both sides - after having been able to consult a map and the information provided here, I now think Abilene is really what he's saying there My truck ran out of gas There's one car here - guys chased him to the woods Please hurry! & we're not talking to em Not till we ran into em Just the first guy & that guys hurt Yeah, no I need the cops When driving home last night from the garage, I prayed twice that I would not run out of gas, vehicle malfunction or car accident. I also kept thinking why did Brandon not spend more time explaining his location? Why did he not say I'm on highway 277 or near highway 277. When I talk to anyone regarding my location or an accident the first thing I say is on 71 north or 70 Eastbound I don't have an answer just a thought. Cheers, Nic

    Dear All,

    I love the comments. Everyone's got some interesting insights here. It's amazing how we all kind of hear something a little different.

    Everyone heard what I think I hear but here it is anyway... Just Brandon's portion

    Yes, I'm in the middle of a field
    Sta-trooper pulled some guys over
    Their out here going toward (gavalin) on both sides - after having been able to consult a map and the information provided here, I now think Abilene is really what he's saying there
    My truck ran out of gas
    There's one car here - guys chased him to the woods
    Please hurry!
    & we're not talking to em
    Not till we ran into em
    Just the first guy
    & that guys hurt
    Yeah, no I need the cops

    When driving home last night from the garage, I prayed twice that I would not run out of gas, vehicle malfunction or car accident. I also kept thinking why did Brandon not spend more time explaining his location? Why did he not say I'm on highway 277 or near highway 277. When I talk to anyone regarding my location or an accident the first thing I say is on 71 north or 70 Eastbound
    I don't have an answer just a thought.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Shannon

    Shannon Elkhart, Indiana

    As I attempted to grade papers this morning during my prep period, somehow listening to this audio clip 27million times happened instead. Oops! Ok so in my "Super-awesome 8th grade teacher (non-educated in any of this stuff/unprofessional) Opinion....I'm quite certain he says "stater," which I've heard before when people refer to state troopers.

    As I attempted to grade papers this morning during my prep period, somehow listening to this audio clip 27million times happened instead. Oops! Ok so in my "Super-awesome 8th grade teacher (non-educated in any of this stuff/unprofessional) Opinion....I'm quite certain he says "stater," which I've heard before when people refer to state troopers.

  • Tonya

    Tonya CA

    I heard this, but after the state trooper sound clip I could only hear that, lol. I'll place **** for words I can't understand. "Yes, I'm in the middle of a field at Cypress bridge ******. I was out here going toward Aboline. North side. My truck ran out of gas, there was one car already here. They got taken into the woods. Please hurry. (Woman talks and he talks over her for the first few words) the more I talk he'll hear me. I don't want to run into him. (Woman talks, says so you ran into him?) There's the first guy. (Woman talks as she talks he talking over her). That's a shot. (Woman talks) No, I need the cops. I think he is probably having a hard time hearing her as well. I believe he is witnessing a crime and narrating that crime to the lady on the phone as it happens. as he is waiting for his brother in the field because he's scared of the warrant, so he doesn't want to be in the car. I believe he pulled saw another car pull up and them entire walk someone into the woods and clearly is going to hurt them. Maybe while he was in the field someone returned to that empty car and he witnessed something. He knew he had to hide. Maybe the person heard or saw his phone and shot at him. Maybe that's why later he calls his brother because he is actually dying from a bleeding out. I would like to see a map with Street and exit names of what was near by to see if he says his location at the start. I think he can't understand her saying ambulance because of his bad reception and is responding "no I need cops" because he's just seeing the crime and thinks "cops". I wish we could hear the other 911 call. Also hope his family gets some answers. Very fishy situation. Truck driver could also be involved. Sometimes people kill someone in a rage and then call 911 for something in the area they left the body in hopes the family finds the remains because they're ridden with guilt for just leaving them to the elements and animals.

    I heard this, but after the state trooper sound clip I could only hear that, lol. I'll place **** for words I can't understand.

    "Yes, I'm in the middle of a field at Cypress bridge ******. I was out here going toward Aboline. North side. My truck ran out of gas, there was one car already here. They got taken into the woods. Please hurry. (Woman talks and he talks over her for the first few words) the more I talk he'll hear me. I don't want to run into him. (Woman talks, says so you ran into him?) There's the first guy. (Woman talks as she talks he talking over her). That's a shot. (Woman talks) No, I need the cops.

    I think he is probably having a hard time hearing her as well. I believe he is witnessing a crime and narrating that crime to the lady on the phone as it happens. as he is waiting for his brother in the field because he's scared of the warrant, so he doesn't want to be in the car. I believe he pulled saw another car pull up and them entire walk someone into the woods and clearly is going to hurt them. Maybe while he was in the field someone returned to that empty car and he witnessed something. He knew he had to hide. Maybe the person heard or saw his phone and shot at him. Maybe that's why later he calls his brother because he is actually dying from a bleeding out. I would like to see a map with Street and exit names of what was near by to see if he says his location at the start. I think he can't understand her saying ambulance because of his bad reception and is responding "no I need cops" because he's just seeing the crime and thinks "cops".

    I wish we could hear the other 911 call.

    Also hope his family gets some answers. Very fishy situation. Truck driver could also be involved. Sometimes people kill someone in a rage and then call 911 for something in the area they left the body in hopes the family finds the remains because they're ridden with guilt for just leaving them to the elements and animals.

  • Zach

    Zach Sacramento, CA

    *DISPATCHER: 911 Emergency* "Yes I'm in the middle of a field" "This guy push--just pushed--and got us over" NOTE: Here, it sounds like he is speaking so quickly that he's stumbling over his words. Note the "push--just pushed" "We were out here going towards Abaline on both sides" "[unintelligible word] truck ran outta gas" "There's one car here" "Got chased into the woods" "Please hurry" *DISPATCHER: Okay, now...run that by me one--* [unintelligible words] "I [finally?] ran into him" *DISPATCHER: Ahhh, you ran into him...okay...* "Just the first time" *DISPATCHER: Do you need an ambulance?* **grunt** (sounds like another person) "No, I need the cops" *DISPATCHER: Is anybody hurt?" -silence- *DISPATCHER: Hello?"

    *DISPATCHER: 911 Emergency*
    "Yes I'm in the middle of a field"
    "This guy push--just pushed--and got us over"
    NOTE: Here, it sounds like he is speaking so quickly that he's stumbling over his words. Note the "push--just pushed"
    "We were out here going towards Abaline on both sides"
    "[unintelligible word] truck ran outta gas"
    "There's one car here"
    "Got chased into the woods"
    "Please hurry"
    *DISPATCHER: Okay, now...run that by me one--*
    [unintelligible words]
    "I [finally?] ran into him"
    *DISPATCHER: Ahhh, you ran into him...okay...*
    "Just the first time"
    *DISPATCHER: Do you need an ambulance?*
    **grunt** (sounds like another person)
    "No, I need the cops"
    *DISPATCHER: Is anybody hurt?"
    -silence-
    *DISPATCHER: Hello?"

  • MegZ

    MegZ

    Looking into it, looks like there were biker gangs in that area around the time of his dissapearance. - involved in things like racketeering, extortion, stabbings, Mexican drug cartel, etc. He's talking fast at the beginning and out of breath, I think he said "this biker came up." This would also explain the reference to "heading to Abeline on both sides" (motorcycles sometimes drive on both sides of the road) and the sound at the end of the phone call. I think he some how came upon some bikers and saw them commit a crime - maybe he saw one biker kill another - and he knew if they him they would kill him.

    Looking into it, looks like there were biker gangs in that area around the time of his dissapearance. - involved in things like racketeering, extortion, stabbings, Mexican drug cartel, etc. He's talking fast at the beginning and out of breath, I think he said "this biker came up." This would also explain the reference to "heading to Abeline on both sides" (motorcycles sometimes drive on both sides of the road) and the sound at the end of the phone call. I think he some how came upon some bikers and saw them commit a crime - maybe he saw one biker kill another - and he knew if they him they would kill him.

  • Ariel

    Ariel

    Thank you so much for taking on this case - I've been obsessed with it since I learned about it. ' My initial listen came up with: Yes, I'm in the middle of a field, a stapler just pushed some guys over. Right here, going towards Abeline on both sides. My truck ran out of gas, there's one car here, got taken into the woods. Please hurry. [Run that by me one more...] When I was talking to him, I accidentally ran into him. [Oh, you ran into him, okay] Just the first guy. [Ambulence?] Yeah, no, I need the cops. That said, I did once see a fellow from Texas mention that, to him, it sounded like "right here, going towards Abeline on Bronte side" which would make sense since he was driving from Bronte toward Abeline, wasn't he? So maybe he meant it was the road toward Abeline, but either on the side where people drive toward Bronte, or that it was closer to Bronte than Abeline. As for Staper/Stapler/State Trooper, State Trooper makes the most sense to me, and considering how breathless he was, I can believe that's what he said. The line that confuses me is of course that middle one. It just doesn't makes sense no matter which variation I try to hear. This story is incredibly haunting - this one, Brian Shaffer and Brandon Gleason are the big three missing persons cases that get to me.

    Thank you so much for taking on this case - I've been obsessed with it since I learned about it.
    '
    My initial listen came up with:

    Yes, I'm in the middle of a field, a stapler just pushed some guys over. Right here, going towards Abeline on both sides. My truck ran out of gas, there's one car here, got taken into the woods. Please hurry.

    [Run that by me one more...]

    When I was talking to him, I accidentally ran into him.

    [Oh, you ran into him, okay]

    Just the first guy.

    [Ambulence?]

    Yeah, no, I need the cops.

    That said, I did once see a fellow from Texas mention that, to him, it sounded like "right here, going towards Abeline on Bronte side" which would make sense since he was driving from Bronte toward Abeline, wasn't he? So maybe he meant it was the road toward Abeline, but either on the side where people drive toward Bronte, or that it was closer to Bronte than Abeline. As for Staper/Stapler/State Trooper, State Trooper makes the most sense to me, and considering how breathless he was, I can believe that's what he said.

    The line that confuses me is of course that middle one. It just doesn't makes sense no matter which variation I try to hear.

    This story is incredibly haunting - this one, Brian Shaffer and Brandon Gleason are the big three missing persons cases that get to me.

  • Ronnie

    Ronnie Maryland

    And most things I hear is he ran out of gas then stumbled on something. What if since he was mad he got in road rage and then ran out of gas while getting chased and then chased into the field by the other men in the car. Thanks guys best podcast by far

    And most things I hear is he ran out of gas then stumbled on something. What if since he was mad he got in road rage and then ran out of gas while getting chased and then chased into the field by the other men in the car. Thanks guys best podcast by far

  • Hannah

    Hannah Redwood City, CA

    Did some research on slang terms used for police officers in different regions of the U.S. "Stater" is a slang term used in the South to describe a state trooper, as opposed to a local county or federal police officer of the US. Just sayin.........

    Did some research on slang terms used for police officers in different regions of the U.S. "Stater" is a slang term used in the South to describe a state trooper, as opposed to a local county or federal police officer of the US. Just sayin.........

  • Steph

    Steph

    This is what I hear: 9-1-1 Emergency: 9-1-1 Emergency? Brandon: Yes, I'm in the middle of the field ...these guys were just pushing guys over....right here, goin' towards Abiline, on both sides ........my truck ran out of gas... there's one car here...it got taken through woods. Please hurry. 9-1-1 Emergency: Ok. Now. Run that by me.....? Brandon: And...we're not talking to 'em...Ah he told me I ran into him. 9-1-1 Emergency: Ahhh...you ran into them? Ok. Brandon : That's the first guy. 9-1-1 Emergency: Do you need an ambulance? Possible Unknown Person says: "yeah" (as if in agreement) Brandon: "No, I need the cops." 9-1-1 Emergency: Is anyone hurt? 9-1-1 Emergency: Hello? (Original tape has three hello's.) 9-1-1 Emergency: Hello? 9-1-1 Emergency: Hello? It sounds as if Brandon Lawson came upon some (2?) road hogs who were driving in both lanes toward Abaline. If Brandon was driving toward Bronte, this would cause him to drive off the road and leave his truck at an angle and partially in the road. If he had just pulled over because he ran out of gas, then his truck would be parallel to the road. It also sounds like he was trying to get away from them as he was breathless and in a field with someone else the "first guy" who also was targeted, or run off the road. When Brandon says, "That's the first guy." I believe he is clarifying who was speaking when the 9-1-1 operator spoke over his call and garbled the other man's voice. The guy says "Yeah." By the sound of that voice, it seems this other man was also worried or breathless. Perhaps there are two missing men in this case.

    This is what I hear:
    9-1-1 Emergency: 9-1-1 Emergency?
    Brandon: Yes, I'm in the middle of the field ...these guys were just pushing guys over....right here, goin' towards Abiline, on both sides ........my truck ran out of gas... there's one car here...it got taken through woods. Please hurry.
    9-1-1 Emergency: Ok. Now. Run that by me.....?
    Brandon: And...we're not talking to 'em...Ah he told me I ran into him.
    9-1-1 Emergency: Ahhh...you ran into them? Ok.
    Brandon : That's the first guy.

    9-1-1 Emergency: Do you need an ambulance?
    Possible Unknown Person says: "yeah" (as if in agreement)
    Brandon: "No, I need the cops."
    9-1-1 Emergency: Is anyone hurt?
    9-1-1 Emergency: Hello?
    (Original tape has three hello's.)
    9-1-1 Emergency: Hello?
    9-1-1 Emergency: Hello?

    It sounds as if Brandon Lawson came upon some (2?) road hogs who were driving in both lanes toward Abaline. If Brandon was driving toward Bronte, this would cause him to drive off the road and leave his truck at an angle and partially in the road. If he had just pulled over because he ran out of gas, then his truck would be parallel to the road. It also sounds like he was trying to get away from them as he was breathless and in a field with someone else the "first guy" who also was targeted, or run off the road. When Brandon says, "That's the first guy." I believe he is clarifying who was speaking when the 9-1-1 operator spoke over his call and garbled the other man's voice. The guy says "Yeah." By the sound of that voice, it seems this other man was also worried or breathless. Perhaps there are two missing men in this case.

  • Jenni

    Jenni Tacoma, WA

    I have a feeling Brandon was killed in those woods and buried out there somewhere. This story is very heart breaking.

    I have a feeling Brandon was killed in those woods and buried out there somewhere. This story is very heart breaking.

  • Rich H

    Rich H St aug, fl

    Not sure if it's been said, but what I hear at the very end when the dispatcher is saying hello...hello?? Is music. Specifically heavy metal. If so, I doubt a state trooper would be involved. Most likely a rough neck of sorts.

    Not sure if it's been said, but what I hear at the very end when the dispatcher is saying hello...hello??
    Is music. Specifically heavy metal. If so, I doubt a state trooper would be involved. Most likely a rough neck of sorts.

  • Jennifer

    Jennifer Camby indiana

    These episodes are terrifying to listen to when you are by yourself and there are 40mph winds! I really wish we had recordings of Brandon's conversations with his brother after the 911 call. This whole thing is so interesting and it is tragic that he has never been found. Also, I'm not sure how a state trooper would be able to cover up so much chaos that happened if a state trooper was involved. It could have been that he saw a car that looked like a cop car that had been bought by a civilian. I hope we find out what happened to him someday.

    These episodes are terrifying to listen to when you are by yourself and there are 40mph winds!

    I really wish we had recordings of Brandon's conversations with his brother after the 911 call. This whole thing is so interesting and it is tragic that he has never been found. Also, I'm not sure how a state trooper would be able to cover up so much chaos that happened if a state trooper was involved. It could have been that he saw a car that looked like a cop car that had been bought by a civilian. I hope we find out what happened to him someday.

  • JL

    JL Ottawa

    First part could possibly be "Ya, I'm in the middle of a field, state St. (Based on Google maps 277 is named state St. Near Bronte. I think someone posted that earlier) Pulled some guys over. They're out here going toward Abilene on Bronte side. Great show!

    First part could possibly be "Ya, I'm in the middle of a field, state St. (Based on Google maps 277 is named state St. Near Bronte. I think someone posted that earlier)
    Pulled some guys over.
    They're out here going toward Abilene on Bronte side.

    Great show!

  • MistenM

    MistenM

    For the guys at TCG, here is the translation of the call from English to Texan, Small Town Edition. I'm well versed in it, and this is what I heard: Operator:. 911 Emergency BL:. Yes, I'm in the middle of the field and stayed put, just pushed some guys over, we're out here goin' towards Abilene on both sides, my truck ran outta gas, there's one car here, and guy's chasin' us through the woods, please hurry Operator:. OK, now run that by me one more time BL:. And we're not talkin' to 'em. I accidentally ran into 'em. Operator:. Ahhh, you ran into 'em, okay. BL:. Got the first guy Operator:. Do you need an ambulance? BL:. No, I need the cops. I do not believe any police were involved in this. Brandon would likely have referred to them simply as troopers, cops, po-lice with the accent on the "po", or Johnny Law. Seriously. They get called that frequently. And, he was referring to more than one person. He said, "hit 'em", as in hit them plural, not hit 'im, as in hit him singular. The distinction is slight but definitely there in the accent. What's even stranger is he said "we're going toward Abilene on both sides", as in more than one person heading northeast on both sides of the state highway, which is typically two lane asphalt in that area and if they were running through "woods", which there aren't any, he meant the scrub cedar and oaks that tend to grow along the fence lines. It's too windy to have more than small patches of trees in the fields. They are also referred to as fields more so than "pastures". Another thing that Cap brought up in the podcast is how incredibly dark it is out there at night. There is NO ambient light most of the time due to clouds. He might have had to stay close to the road if he were running from someone or else he could have gotten seriously lost. Just my two cents. I'm donating beer money, too. Much love, Misten Weatherford, TX

    For the guys at TCG, here is the translation of the call from English to Texan, Small Town Edition. I'm well versed in it, and this is what I heard:
    Operator:. 911 Emergency
    BL:. Yes, I'm in the middle of the field and stayed put, just pushed some guys over, we're out here goin' towards Abilene on both sides, my truck ran outta gas, there's one car here, and guy's chasin' us through the woods, please hurry
    Operator:. OK, now run that by me one more time
    BL:. And we're not talkin' to 'em. I accidentally ran into 'em.
    Operator:. Ahhh, you ran into 'em, okay.
    BL:. Got the first guy
    Operator:. Do you need an ambulance?
    BL:. No, I need the cops.

    I do not believe any police were involved in this. Brandon would likely have referred to them simply as troopers, cops, po-lice with the accent on the "po", or Johnny Law. Seriously. They get called that frequently. And, he was referring to more than one person. He said, "hit 'em", as in hit them plural, not hit 'im, as in hit him singular. The distinction is slight but definitely there in the accent. What's even stranger is he said "we're going toward Abilene on both sides", as in more than one person heading northeast on both sides of the state highway, which is typically two lane asphalt in that area and if they were running through "woods", which there aren't any, he meant the scrub cedar and oaks that tend to grow along the fence lines. It's too windy to have more than small patches of trees in the fields. They are also referred to as fields more so than "pastures". Another thing that Cap brought up in the podcast is how incredibly dark it is out there at night. There is NO ambient light most of the time due to clouds. He might have had to stay close to the road if he were running from someone or else he could have gotten seriously lost.

    Just my two cents. I'm donating beer money, too.
    Much love, Misten
    Weatherford, TX

  • Foxtrotalot

    Foxtrotalot Indiana

    Does the family understand what he said? I'm still listening to the call over and over, but here's what I have so far. It seems like he is not alone and that he is trying to stay away from someone, but not necessarily being pursued, himself. He is definitely shaken up, having seen something. Brandon: Yes, I’m in the middle of a field, it’s safer just (unintelligible). We’re out here going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There’s one boy here, he got chased into the woods. Please hurry. 911: Ok, now run that by me one more… (I don't think he is speaking to 911 again until he confirms he needs Police) Brandon: He went up talking to ‘em. I totally ran into them. 911: OHHH, you ran into them. Brandon: That’s not the first guy…the first guy! 911 cross-talking: Do you need an ambulance? Brandon: ye-No, I need the Police. I think he and someone else are traveling through the fields parallel to the road, but on opposite sides and he sees something happening on the other side of the road. Then he gets noticed.

    Does the family understand what he said? I'm still listening to the call over and over, but here's what I have so far.
    It seems like he is not alone and that he is trying to stay away from someone, but not necessarily being pursued, himself. He is definitely shaken up, having seen something.

    Brandon: Yes, I’m in the middle of a field, it’s safer just (unintelligible). We’re out here going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There’s one boy here, he got chased into the woods. Please hurry.
    911: Ok, now run that by me one more…
    (I don't think he is speaking to 911 again until he confirms he needs Police)
    Brandon: He went up talking to ‘em. I totally ran into them.
    911: OHHH, you ran into them.
    Brandon: That’s not the first guy…the first guy!
    911 cross-talking: Do you need an ambulance?
    Brandon: ye-No, I need the Police.

    I think he and someone else are traveling through the fields parallel to the road, but on opposite sides and he sees something happening on the other side of the road. Then he gets noticed.

  • Mike

    Mike youngstown ohio

    Nik and Captain, Just finished the 2nd part of Brandon Lawson great show and 2 great episodes. You two really took the time to dissect the 911 call and give your opinions. Great work by the Captain with the audio. However I always compliment you two for giving the listeners your theories of what happened. You two usually do that better than all the other podcasts that shy away from it. If there ever was a case that demanded both of your guys opinions of what happened it's this case. I'm hoping both you and the Captain post what you thought happened to Brandon. I have read many opinions online ranging from police corruption, delirious on drugs, drug dealers, and many more. What are your guys final opinion of what happened that night I think all us listeners want to hear that?

    Nik and Captain,

    Just finished the 2nd part of Brandon Lawson great show and 2 great episodes. You two really took the time to dissect the 911 call and give your opinions. Great work by the Captain with the audio. However I always compliment you two for giving the listeners your theories of what happened. You two usually do that better than all the other podcasts that shy away from it. If there ever was a case that demanded both of your guys opinions of what happened it's this case. I'm hoping both you and the Captain post what you thought happened to Brandon. I have read many opinions online ranging from police corruption, delirious on drugs, drug dealers, and many more. What are your guys final opinion of what happened that night I think all us listeners want to hear that?

  • Mike Hobbs

    Mike Hobbs Baytown TX

    I think he is saying Towards Abilene on Bronte side. His truck was found just outside of Bronte on Hwy 277.

    I think he is saying
    Towards Abilene on Bronte side. His truck was found just outside of Bronte on Hwy 277.

  • Kirsten

    Kirsten Oklahoma

    Listening earlier I could have sworn I heard gun shots toward the end of the call. Now that I've read some of these comments, I'm more convinced they were.

    Listening earlier I could have sworn I heard gun shots toward the end of the call. Now that I've read some of these comments, I'm more convinced they were.

  • Shannan

    Shannan Melbourne, Australia

    Hey Lads, Sorry I'm a bit late to the party, but just got finished listening. My Old Man has been in the oil field all around the world for around 50 years, including a long stint in Texas. He's never heard the term "Staper". Closest he could find was "swamper" which is a truckers offsider. Definitely not that though. Anyway, by the end of Part 2, I agree with you that it's a derivative of State Trooper. Great episode/s! Cheers

    Hey Lads,

    Sorry I'm a bit late to the party, but just got finished listening. My Old Man has been in the oil field all around the world for around 50 years, including a long stint in Texas. He's never heard the term "Staper". Closest he could find was "swamper" which is a truckers offsider. Definitely not that though.

    Anyway, by the end of Part 2, I agree with you that it's a derivative of State Trooper.

    Great episode/s!

    Cheers

  • Susie

    Susie Former Texan

    Well done. This was your best episode ever I lived in Texas for over a decade. Many Texans slur their words. Do you remember the show King of the Hill? Remember the neighbor who no one can understand? My uncle and cousins sound just like that. I definitely hear him say Abilene. I definitely hear a second voice. It would be fascinating to get one of his family members to listen to the way you broke it all down. I bet they could understand more of what he says. Thank you for all the work you did in this. Great job!!

    Well done.
    This was your best episode ever
    I lived in Texas for over a decade. Many Texans slur their words. Do you remember the show King of the Hill? Remember the neighbor who no one can understand? My uncle and cousins sound just like that.
    I definitely hear him say Abilene. I definitely hear a second voice.
    It would be fascinating to get one of his family members to listen to the way you broke it all down. I bet they could understand more of what he says.
    Thank you for all the work you did in this. Great job!!

  • mct

    mct MI

    I think maybe he says "state boy" referring to a state trooper in the 2nd sentence of the 911 call.

    I think maybe he says "state boy" referring to a state trooper in the 2nd sentence of the 911 call.

  • Tim

    Tim Maryland

    My Transcription of Brandon Lawson’s 911 Call OPERATOR: 911, emergency? BRANDON: "Yes, I'm in the middle of a field.” “A sniper's just pushin’ guys over.” (Meaning, Brandon is witnessing a person with a rifle style weapon that is pushing people to the ground.) "They're out here going toward Abilene on both sides (or possibly Bronte side)." (Brandon is describing the direction they were going which is NorthEast bound on US Highway 277.) BRANDON: "My truck ran out of gas.” “There's one car here.” (Referring to where he is now. Likely some distance away from his broken down truck.) “He got chased (inaudible) back to the woods.” BRANDON: “Please hurry." OPERATOR: Ok, now run that by me one more.. (She's cut off by Brandon who begins to talk again.) BRANDON: "There's one guy talking to um’.” (Brandon is stating that one of the people that were run off the road is now conversing with the perpetrator.) BRANDON: “Uh, I totally ran into um’." or "I accidentally ran into um'." (Meaning, Brandon unknowingly walked into the situation unfolding.) OPERATOR: “Ahhh, you ran into him? Ok.” BRANDON: "Shot the first guy." (Single audible shot heard. Sounds like a high powered rifle or shotgun in my opinion. This would be the gunshot that kills the second person.) (As the Operator asks Brandon if he needs an ambulance, I believe he says..) BRANDON: “Shot that guy.” (Referring to a second person being shot.) OPERATOR: “Do you need an ambulance?” BRANDON: Possible whimper which sounds like, “Yeah.” (I believe he quickly and mistakenly says this since he is now panicked and distracted. He is uninjured at this point, thus declining medical assistance and immediately thereafter asking for the Cops instead, due to the situation unfolding. He is likely at this very moment spotted by the shooters.) BRANDON: “No, I need the Cops.” OPERATOR: “Ok.” (At this point, I believe Brandon puts his cell phone into his pocket and takes off running.) OPERATOR: “Is anybody hurt?” OPERATOR: “Hello?...” OPERATOR: “Hello?...” OPERATOR: “Hello?...” My Synopsis: Unfortunately for Brandon, I believe this is a case of wrong place, wrong time. I believe Brandon willingly left his truck and began walking on US Highway 277 to find a gas station on his own accord. I believe after walking some distance, he walks up on a cartel related hit in action where the hitmen may have had the road blocked off with the knowledge that their target was heading in their direction. This is where Brandon realizes something is terribly wrong so he immediately gets off the road and heads into the field to call 911. Brandon is terrified (which explains the breathlessness in his voice) because I believe he see’s these people holding rifle style weapons who are pushing other people to the ground to assassinate them. This is why I believe Brandon references “snipers” due to the appearance of the rifle style weapons. Furthermore, this road is desolate, especially at this time of night, which would be a perfect place to carry out a hit. I believe from Brandon’s 911 call that he witnesses multiple assailants as well as multiple victims and the call is literally a play by play of the assassinations as he is witnessing them. I believe this attack to be cartel on cartel related violence. Unfortunately for Brandon, I believe he is spotted by the hitmen. A foot race ensues where Brandon’s phone cuts off, ending the call with 911 dispatcher. He likely at this point was non fatally shot but was able to continue running and/or hiding for some additional time. This would explain the incoherent phone call as told by his brother’s girlfriend in which she only hears him state, “I’m bleeding”. Unfortunately, I believe that soon thereafter he is eventually captured due to his wounds and is likely shot and killed on the spot. The cartel hitmen now have a predicament on their hands with having murdered an unknown party who also happened to witness the hit. Due to this, I believe the hitmen now must clean up the entire scene (where the may have left it previously if they were sure there were no witnesses) as Brandon’s body being left with a cartel hit would jeopardize their job and raise more questions with authorities. Additionally, they may have been aware that Brandon called 911 and could not risk the unknown information that he may have passed off to the police. The only option for the hitman now is to completely scrub the entire scene. The hitmen then likely placed all of the bodies, bullet casings, and additional evidence into the originally targeted victims vehicle and drove off with it, as well as their own, thus explaining the lack of evidence. If the targeted victims were in fact cartel associates that’s likely the reason no other missing persons were ever reported, especially if they were in the country illegally. In conclusion and if my hypothesis is true, I unfortunately believe Brandon’s remains will likely never be found. Appendix: The above is solely my opinion and is based on my own personal transcription of Brandon’s 911 call. Thank you for reading. I hope this is helpful to anyone and everyone who has put their time into Brandon’s case.

    My Transcription of Brandon Lawson’s 911 Call

    OPERATOR: 911, emergency?

    BRANDON: "Yes, I'm in the middle of a field.”
    “A sniper's just pushin’ guys over.” (Meaning, Brandon is witnessing a person with a rifle style weapon that is pushing people to the ground.)
    "They're out here going toward Abilene on both sides (or possibly Bronte side)." (Brandon is describing the direction they were going which is NorthEast bound on US Highway 277.)

    BRANDON: "My truck ran out of gas.”
    “There's one car here.” (Referring to where he is now. Likely some distance away from his broken down truck.)
    “He got chased (inaudible) back to the woods.”

    BRANDON: “Please hurry."

    OPERATOR: Ok, now run that by me one more.. (She's cut off by Brandon who begins to talk again.)

    BRANDON: "There's one guy talking to um’.” (Brandon is stating that one of the people that were run off the road is now conversing with the perpetrator.)

    BRANDON: “Uh, I totally ran into um’." or "I accidentally ran into um'." (Meaning, Brandon unknowingly walked into the situation unfolding.)

    OPERATOR: “Ahhh, you ran into him? Ok.”

    BRANDON: "Shot the first guy."
    (Single audible shot heard. Sounds like a high powered rifle or shotgun in my opinion. This would be the gunshot that kills the second person.)

    (As the Operator asks Brandon if he needs an ambulance, I believe he says..)
    BRANDON: “Shot that guy.” (Referring to a second person being shot.)
    OPERATOR: “Do you need an ambulance?”

    BRANDON: Possible whimper which sounds like, “Yeah.” (I believe he quickly and mistakenly says this since he is now panicked and distracted. He is uninjured at this point, thus declining medical assistance and immediately thereafter asking for the Cops instead, due to the situation unfolding. He is likely at this very moment spotted by the shooters.)
    BRANDON: “No, I need the Cops.”

    OPERATOR: “Ok.”
    (At this point, I believe Brandon puts his cell phone into his pocket and takes off running.)

    OPERATOR: “Is anybody hurt?”

    OPERATOR: “Hello?...”
    OPERATOR: “Hello?...”
    OPERATOR: “Hello?...”

    My Synopsis:

    Unfortunately for Brandon, I believe this is a case of wrong place, wrong time. I believe Brandon willingly left his truck and began walking on US Highway 277 to find a gas station on his own accord. I believe after walking some distance, he walks up on a cartel related hit in action where the hitmen may have had the road blocked off with the knowledge that their target was heading in their direction. This is where Brandon realizes something is terribly wrong so he immediately gets off the road and heads into the field to call 911. Brandon is terrified (which explains the breathlessness in his voice) because I believe he see’s these people holding rifle style weapons who are pushing other people to the ground to assassinate them. This is why I believe Brandon references “snipers” due to the appearance of the rifle style weapons.
    Furthermore, this road is desolate, especially at this time of night, which would be a perfect place to carry out a hit. I believe from Brandon’s 911 call that he witnesses multiple assailants as well as multiple victims and the call is literally a play by play of the assassinations as he is witnessing them. I believe this attack to be cartel on cartel related violence. Unfortunately for Brandon, I believe he is spotted by the hitmen. A foot race ensues where Brandon’s phone cuts off, ending the call with 911 dispatcher. He likely at this point was non fatally shot but was able to continue running and/or hiding for some additional time. This would explain the incoherent phone call as told by his brother’s girlfriend in which she only hears him state, “I’m bleeding”. Unfortunately, I believe that soon thereafter he is eventually captured due to his wounds and is likely shot and killed on the spot. The cartel hitmen now have a predicament on their hands with having murdered an unknown party who also happened to witness the hit. Due to this, I believe the hitmen now must clean up the entire scene (where the may have left it previously if they were sure there were no witnesses) as Brandon’s body being left with a cartel hit would jeopardize their job and raise more questions with authorities. Additionally, they may have been aware that Brandon called 911 and could not risk the unknown information that he may have passed off to the police. The only option for the hitman now is to completely scrub the entire scene. The hitmen then likely placed all of the bodies, bullet casings, and additional evidence into the originally targeted victims vehicle and drove off with it, as well as their own, thus explaining the lack of evidence. If the targeted victims were in fact cartel associates that’s likely the reason no other missing persons were ever reported, especially if they were in the country illegally.
    In conclusion and if my hypothesis is true, I unfortunately believe Brandon’s remains will likely never be found.

    Appendix: The above is solely my opinion and is based on my own personal transcription of Brandon’s 911 call. Thank you for reading. I hope this is helpful to anyone and everyone who has put their time into Brandon’s case.

  • Andrew

    Andrew San Francisco

    Love the show and ps, my son's name is Captain! Anyhow, super interesting episode and weird, weird case. I pretty much agree with your interpretation of the 911 call but it brings up so many more questions (why the Captain's head hurts I guess). I think the initial reading seems correct - a state trooper pulled over two guys and Brandon witnessed this. The two guys chase the state trooper and then turn on Brandon. But as Nic points out, if this is the case then surey it would've been reported somewhere. Cops don't just get offed or go missing without a report of it. Which leads us to crazy conspiracies - did the state trooper either kill these guys or chase them off somewhere and then chased down Brandon either right then (and kidnapped him) or later, after he called his brother for the second time? I'm not one for conspiracy theories but honestly, assuming there was a state trooper there, that seems to be the only explanation. This would also explain the cops hanging onto the 911 tape for so long - either to doctor it (I don't think so) or just simply try and get their story straight before releasing it (likely). This would also explain why Brandon might have been speaking to someone else whom he seemed to trust - a law enforcement officer. Also, my thought on the "both sides" portion of the call. Assuming this is a two lane highway I keep imagining that one of the cars is going in the wrong direction - so both vehicles driving toward Abilene. An abnormality obviously. Perhaps why the Trooper pulled them over. Then the altercation breaks out and Brandon witnesses it. This all makes sense to me except...you would assume that the cops are able to trace where their cars go and what they are doing (wouldn't the trooper have radioed in if he was about to confront two guys speeding down the highway?). Assuming they do, why is there no record of a state trooper being in that area? Either there wasn't one there and Brandon is saying something different in that first sentence ("Staper") or there is some type of coverup going on (a state trooper killed three guys - maybe migrant workers hence no reporting of missing persons - and Brandon to cover up his original crimes. My head hurts too Captain!

    Love the show and ps, my son's name is Captain!

    Anyhow, super interesting episode and weird, weird case. I pretty much agree with your interpretation of the 911 call but it brings up so many more questions (why the Captain's head hurts I guess). I think the initial reading seems correct - a state trooper pulled over two guys and Brandon witnessed this. The two guys chase the state trooper and then turn on Brandon.

    But as Nic points out, if this is the case then surey it would've been reported somewhere. Cops don't just get offed or go missing without a report of it. Which leads us to crazy conspiracies - did the state trooper either kill these guys or chase them off somewhere and then chased down Brandon either right then (and kidnapped him) or later, after he called his brother for the second time? I'm not one for conspiracy theories but honestly, assuming there was a state trooper there, that seems to be the only explanation. This would also explain the cops hanging onto the 911 tape for so long - either to doctor it (I don't think so) or just simply try and get their story straight before releasing it (likely). This would also explain why Brandon might have been speaking to someone else whom he seemed to trust - a law enforcement officer.

    Also, my thought on the "both sides" portion of the call. Assuming this is a two lane highway I keep imagining that one of the cars is going in the wrong direction - so both vehicles driving toward Abilene. An abnormality obviously. Perhaps why the Trooper pulled them over. Then the altercation breaks out and Brandon witnesses it.

    This all makes sense to me except...you would assume that the cops are able to trace where their cars go and what they are doing (wouldn't the trooper have radioed in if he was about to confront two guys speeding down the highway?). Assuming they do, why is there no record of a state trooper being in that area? Either there wasn't one there and Brandon is saying something different in that first sentence ("Staper") or there is some type of coverup going on (a state trooper killed three guys - maybe migrant workers hence no reporting of missing persons - and Brandon to cover up his original crimes.

    My head hurts too Captain!

  • mct

    mct MI

    Thanks for the episode. If what I was reading on some forums is correct, Brandon talked to his brother approximately 30 minutes after the 911 call. I think it's unlikely that he stumbled upon a drug deal or other criminal activity because he was able to talk on the phone. They most likely would have confiscated the phone and not allowed him to use it. Here's what I think happened. He was probably under a lot a stress and depressed. He relapsed with a drug like meth or bath salts. He had a psychotic break maybe from the drugs. He was having hallucinations, driving erratically and ran a car off the road. They follow him and his truck ran out of gas. He exchanges words with the other car. He calls 911 and because he is disoriented, the call is somewhat incoherent. When the call ends there is an altercation and his attackers injure him. He was possibly shot, stabbed or beaten which caused injures that would be fatal if not treated within hours. They leave or he escapes. He runs farther away from the truck. He does not want to go back because the attackers might still be there. Maybe when he was trying to get away he was stabbed by a sharp object like a tree branch, cut on barbed wire fence or got a rattlesnake bite. Still high, he continues to walk miles away from the truck. He gets lost and bleeds to death. It's likely he will be found within a few miles of his last cell phone ping which I read was about 3 - 4 miles from his truck. I also think it's possible that no altercation occurred and he received injures while escaping from his hallucinations. I read that the 911 call was edited because there is still an ongoing investigation. If this is correct, my theory may change if the full call is released.

    Thanks for the episode. If what I was reading on some forums is correct, Brandon talked to his brother approximately 30 minutes after the 911 call. I think it's unlikely that he stumbled upon a drug deal or other criminal activity because he was able to talk on the phone. They most likely would have confiscated the phone and not allowed him to use it.

    Here's what I think happened. He was probably under a lot a stress and depressed. He relapsed with a drug like meth or bath salts. He had a psychotic break maybe from the drugs. He was having hallucinations, driving erratically and ran a car off the road. They follow him and his truck ran out of gas. He exchanges words with the other car. He calls 911 and because he is disoriented, the call is somewhat incoherent. When the call ends there is an altercation and his attackers injure him. He was possibly shot, stabbed or beaten which caused injures that would be fatal if not treated within hours. They leave or he escapes. He runs farther away from the truck. He does not want to go back because the attackers might still be there.

    Maybe when he was trying to get away he was stabbed by a sharp object like a tree branch, cut on barbed wire fence or got a rattlesnake bite. Still high, he continues to walk miles away from the truck. He gets lost and bleeds to death. It's likely he will be found within a few miles of his last cell phone ping which I read was about 3 - 4 miles from his truck. I also think it's possible that no altercation occurred and he received injures while escaping from his hallucinations.

    I read that the 911 call was edited because there is still an ongoing investigation. If this is correct, my theory may change if the full call is released.

  • Bukley

    Bukley Houston

    I think a state trooper or local police pulled up on two vehicles parked opposite sided of the road in the middle of a drug deal. This is where the 'both sides' comment comes from. The one car here is referring to the state trooper or police vehicle at the scene. Brandon was walking toward the cars, the police cruiser probably had its spotlight on which would make Brandon clearly visible on the road. The Trooper at some point in this traffic stop got into a gunfight with multiple individual from the two vehicles. He shot one of them and retreated into the woods continuing to fire. The Trooper had been talking to the suspects as Brandon approached the scene 'when he was talkin' to him, that's when I ran into them' this is when the gun fight starts and the Trooper shoots one of the suspects 'shot the first guy, and that guy's hurt' At this point as the suspects pursue the trooper into the woods a running gun battle ensues and Brandon runs for his life. I think backup arrived shortly thereafter and the police killed the remaining suspects and may have mistakenly shot Brandon thinking he was one of the suspects. Perhaps the police hushed up the situation because of Brandon's death, that's why the Trucker call was never released, he may have seen the cop cars and suspect cars with evidence of gunfire and called 911 and mentioned the trucks. I think Brandon was calling the police to help the outnumbered State Trooper, but for shot himself during the fight.

    I think a state trooper or local police pulled up on two vehicles parked opposite sided of the road in the middle of a drug deal. This is where the 'both sides' comment comes from. The one car here is referring to the state trooper or police vehicle at the scene. Brandon was walking toward the cars, the police cruiser probably had its spotlight on which would make Brandon clearly visible on the road. The Trooper at some point in this traffic stop got into a gunfight with multiple individual from the two vehicles. He shot one of them and retreated into the woods continuing to fire. The Trooper had been talking to the suspects as Brandon approached the scene 'when he was talkin' to him, that's when I ran into them' this is when the gun fight starts and the Trooper shoots one of the suspects 'shot the first guy, and that guy's hurt' At this point as the suspects pursue the trooper into the woods a running gun battle ensues and Brandon runs for his life. I think backup arrived shortly thereafter and the police killed the remaining suspects and may have mistakenly shot Brandon thinking he was one of the suspects. Perhaps the police hushed up the situation because of Brandon's death, that's why the Trucker call was never released, he may have seen the cop cars and suspect cars with evidence of gunfire and called 911 and mentioned the trucks. I think Brandon was calling the police to help the outnumbered State Trooper, but for shot himself during the fight.

  • BDizz

    BDizz Los Angeles

    Little late to the party, but, yeah, I was pretty sure I he said, "Abilene" (I grew up in Texas). Then I checked the map just to be sure. Pretty positive—if he IS referring to a location on a map—Abilene's yer best bet.

    Little late to the party, but, yeah, I was pretty sure I he said, "Abilene" (I grew up in Texas).
    Then I checked the map just to be sure. Pretty positive—if he IS referring to a location on a map—Abilene's yer best bet.

  • Raphael

    Raphael

    Could "some guys over" be in any way part of a question like "could you just please send some guys over?" Just a thought.

    Could "some guys over" be in any way part of a question like "could you just please send some guys over?"
    Just a thought.

  • Wendy

    Wendy Australia

    Yes, I'm in the middle of a field ??? just ? some guys over We're out here going towards Abilene on both sides My truck ran out of gas There's one car here, a guy's chasing me through the woods. Please hurry! There was one guy talking to him I accidentally ran into them They got the first guy That's gunshot

    Yes, I'm in the middle of a field
    ??? just ? some guys over
    We're out here going towards Abilene on both sides
    My truck ran out of gas
    There's one car here, a guy's chasing me through the woods.
    Please hurry!
    There was one guy talking to him
    I accidentally ran into them
    They got the first guy

    That's gunshot

  • Jeff

    Jeff Illinois

    My first impression of the tape was he was giving a description of where his car was, which it seems most people agree the part where a lot of people think he is saying both sides i do not agree with sounds to me like he is furthering his description of what side of the road his car is on, he then says he ran out of gas, so to me anything before that is all description on where to find the car. After that statement it sounds like he is saying he seen somebody and was trying not to make contact and stay away but ran into the individual maybe at a diff spot.

    My first impression of the tape was he was giving a description of where his car was, which it seems most people agree the part where a lot of people think he is saying both sides i do not agree with sounds to me like he is furthering his description of what side of the road his car is on, he then says he ran out of gas, so to me anything before that is all description on where to find the car. After that statement it sounds like he is saying he seen somebody and was trying not to make contact and stay away but ran into the individual maybe at a diff spot.

  • D.A.

    D.A. Washington

    At about 45 min in, you play a clip twice slowed down, right before Branson says no I need the cops. It sounds like someone else, on the background is saying, "get in there".

    At about 45 min in, you play a clip twice slowed down, right before Branson says no I need the cops. It sounds like someone else, on the background is saying, "get in there".

  • Skinster

    Skinster New York

    Has anybody interviewed the woman who took the 911 call?

    Has anybody interviewed the woman who took the 911 call?

  • Cody

    Cody Texas

    He's definitely saying " out here going toward Abilene on both sides" Abilene being north east of San Angelo.

    He's definitely saying " out here going toward Abilene on both sides" Abilene being north east of San Angelo.

  • Rachel

    Rachel North Ridgeville

    I hear "Those guys were just pushing guys over." Then he talks about both sides of the road. Later he talks about the "first guy." Maybe people were drag racing or something and running people off the road? But not like normal stupid kid stuff. More like some death race? I don't know. Whole thing sounds strange to me. I definitely don't hear staper though:(

    I hear "Those guys were just pushing guys over." Then he talks about both sides of the road. Later he talks about the "first guy." Maybe people were drag racing or something and running people off the road? But not like normal stupid kid stuff. More like some death race? I don't know. Whole thing sounds strange to me. I definitely don't hear staper thoughfrown

  • Adam

    Adam Tampa

    After parsing the 911 tape this is what I get. A state trooper pulled someone over near where here out of gas. One of these people ran on one side of the road it was chased by the state trooper. Another individual ran on the other side of the road and was chased by Brandon. It almost sounds like he has run into the person and is doing them on the ground when he's making the call. Almost like he's holding the guy down. The last bit of the 911 call sounds like the state trooper is walking up to Brandon and he says "that guy is hurt" to the state trooper.

    After parsing the 911 tape this is what I get. A state trooper pulled someone over near where here out of gas. One of these people ran on one side of the road it was chased by the state trooper. Another individual ran on the other side of the road and was chased by Brandon. It almost sounds like he has run into the person and is doing them on the ground when he's making the call. Almost like he's holding the guy down. The last bit of the 911 call sounds like the state trooper is walking up to Brandon and he says "that guy is hurt" to the state trooper.

  • Rich H

    Rich H St Aug, Fl

    The very end of the recording sounds to me like music playing in the background-specifically heavy metal. Doubtful that any police would be playing that.

    The very end of the recording sounds to me like music playing in the background-specifically heavy metal. Doubtful that any police would be playing that.

  • Ann

    Ann South Cacalacki

    Sound like he was heading towards abilene. He got pulled over. Someone ran into the field. The do immigration and drug inspects at certains stops, mybe he got flipped out and took off

    Sound like he was heading towards abilene. He got pulled over. Someone ran into the field. The do immigration and drug inspects at certains stops, mybe he got flipped out and took off

  • Mikki

    Mikki Grand rapids Michigan

    I'm just listening to part one and it sounds to me that he says "Yeah, I'm in the middle of a field 'cept for this person drives over." It sort of seems like maybe someone pulled over to check on him, but did or said something to freak him out and send him running into a field.

    I'm just listening to part one and it sounds to me that he says "Yeah, I'm in the middle of a field 'cept for this person drives over." It sort of seems like maybe someone pulled over to check on him, but did or said something to freak him out and send him running into a field.

  • Richard

    Richard Texas

    Did they ever check Brandon's truck to see if his gas gauge was actually empty? Not sure how or if it would effect the case, but it could send the rabbit hole in a different direction.

    Did they ever check Brandon's truck to see if his gas gauge was actually empty? Not sure how or if it would effect the case, but it could send the rabbit hole in a different direction.

  • Katie

    Katie Texas

    Feel pretty confident he's saying "going towards Abeline on both sides" Abeline is about an hour from San Angelo.

    Feel pretty confident he's saying "going towards Abeline on both sides" Abeline is about an hour from San Angelo.

  • Luke

    Luke Fort Worth, TX

    "Yes, I'm in the middle of a field at state bridge, just pushed some guys over" (277 is called State St in Bronte and the Colorado river bridge is about a mile north of where his truck ran out of gas) "They're right here going towards Abilene on Bronte side" (Abilene is the major city north of Bronte, so this is happening on the north side of the bridge) "My truck ran out of gas" "There's one car here" (in the field) "Got chased through the woods" "Please hurry" "And when I talked to him" "I accidentally ran into him" (possible guilt of knocking him over the bridge) "Here comes the first guy" "That guy's here" "Yeah, no I need the cops" My theory is after Brandon ran out of gas he was walking toward Bronte and after crossing the Colorado Bridge he witnessed or got into some type of confrontation with multiple guys resulting in someone being pushed over the side of the bridge. He was then chased into the woods and he is calling from the middle of a field near a car (maybe an old junk car, giving dispatch a location). He states a guy is approaching him and he needs the cops. This sounds like a terrible and scary situation he was going through, my prayers for him and his family.

    "Yes, I'm in the middle of a field at state bridge, just pushed some guys over" (277 is called State St in Bronte and the Colorado river bridge is about a mile north of where his truck ran out of gas)
    "They're right here going towards Abilene on Bronte side" (Abilene is the major city north of Bronte, so this is happening on the north side of the bridge)
    "My truck ran out of gas"
    "There's one car here" (in the field)
    "Got chased through the woods"
    "Please hurry"
    "And when I talked to him"
    "I accidentally ran into him" (possible guilt of knocking him over the bridge)
    "Here comes the first guy"
    "That guy's here"
    "Yeah, no I need the cops"

    My theory is after Brandon ran out of gas he was walking toward Bronte and after crossing the Colorado Bridge he witnessed or got into some type of confrontation with multiple guys resulting in someone being pushed over the side of the bridge. He was then chased into the woods and he is calling from the middle of a field near a car (maybe an old junk car, giving dispatch a location). He states a guy is approaching him and he needs the cops. This sounds like a terrible and scary situation he was going through, my prayers for him and his family.

  • Melanie

    Melanie Missouri

    I'm leaving this comment before I listen to the part 2, but I don't hear "Stapper" or "Stiper" in the call. Here's what I heard: >>911 emergency >>Yes, I'm in the middle of a field. These guys were just pushing guys over, right here going toward Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There's one car here. I got taken to the woods. Please hurry. >>Okay, now run that by me one more time. >>And we're not talking to him. I accidentally ran into them. >>Ohh, you ran into them. Okay. >>Got the first guy. That guy's hurt. >>Do you need an ambulance? >>No, I need the cops. >>Okay. Is anybody hurt? Hello? Hello? Hello? In the ever-debated "staper" word, I heard the word "Skype" more than anything else. I can't imagine why he would say "Skype." Anyway, that's all the two cents I have. Love the show! Thanks, guys!

    I'm leaving this comment before I listen to the part 2, but I don't hear "Stapper" or "Stiper" in the call. Here's what I heard:

    >>911 emergency
    >>Yes, I'm in the middle of a field. These guys were just pushing guys over, right here going toward Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There's one car here. I got taken to the woods. Please hurry.
    >>Okay, now run that by me one more time.
    >>And we're not talking to him. I accidentally ran into them.
    >>Ohh, you ran into them. Okay.
    >>Got the first guy. That guy's hurt.
    >>Do you need an ambulance?
    >>No, I need the cops.
    >>Okay. Is anybody hurt? Hello? Hello? Hello?

    In the ever-debated "staper" word, I heard the word "Skype" more than anything else. I can't imagine why he would say "Skype."

    Anyway, that's all the two cents I have. Love the show! Thanks, guys!

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous

    This was one of your most fascinating and gripping episodes ever. THANK YOU. I want to build off a something that Nic hit on and expand a bit. If one is calling 911, the first two things you are likely to say to the operator are your identity and your location. "My name is Joe Schmo and I'm at 611 Prosper street". He never identifies himself (which could also provide some explanation regarding the delay in identifying and releasing the tape, by the way) but also adds a bit of context to what he says at the beginning of the tape, where I also, like some listener, heard the word "bridge" and Abilene, even before looking at the map. I wish we knew precisely where his car was located as an opportunity to get a better sense of the surroundings. Any help with this, Nic? Second, the thing that strikes me as most telling is his insistence that he needs the cops. If there was a state trooper involved in this, wouldn't he say "we need more cops" or "we need backup" or something else. "No, I need the cops" doesn't come across as something one would say if there were police already on the scene. "I need the cops" implies there are not any cops there already. I could speculate about this endlessly - can some of the background noises/words in question be from the dispatchers phone, for example? what was the relative timing of the call to the brother? I would honestly like to know what the fight was about at his home ahead of time and maybe a little bit more about the drug charges (I agree he doesn't sound drunk, but still...) - but that is what makes this such a DAMN AWESOME episode. Thank you!

    This was one of your most fascinating and gripping episodes ever. THANK YOU.

    I want to build off a something that Nic hit on and expand a bit. If one is calling 911, the first two things you are likely to say to the operator are your identity and your location. "My name is Joe Schmo and I'm at 611 Prosper street". He never identifies himself (which could also provide some explanation regarding the delay in identifying and releasing the tape, by the way) but also adds a bit of context to what he says at the beginning of the tape, where I also, like some listener, heard the word "bridge" and Abilene, even before looking at the map. I wish we knew precisely where his car was located as an opportunity to get a better sense of the surroundings. Any help with this, Nic?

    Second, the thing that strikes me as most telling is his insistence that he needs the cops. If there was a state trooper involved in this, wouldn't he say "we need more cops" or "we need backup" or something else. "No, I need the cops" doesn't come across as something one would say if there were police already on the scene. "I need the cops" implies there are not any cops there already.

    I could speculate about this endlessly - can some of the background noises/words in question be from the dispatchers phone, for example? what was the relative timing of the call to the brother? I would honestly like to know what the fight was about at his home ahead of time and maybe a little bit more about the drug charges (I agree he doesn't sound drunk, but still...) - but that is what makes this such a DAMN AWESOME episode. Thank you!

  • Marcus

    Marcus Rhode island

    I'm a former Trooper (not Texas) and my take is he is trying to describe his location when he is referring to the "staper." I think he's referencing one traffic stop where a second officer stopped on the opposite side of the road, or two traffic stops each occurring on opposite sides of the road. It's common for police to dispatch their locations when initiating a traffic stop, specifically at night on a desolate road, so if he is unfamiliar with his exact location he's hoping when he calls 911 they will know the location of a traffic stop that just occurred or is occurring in the distance. I'd be interested to see locations of traffic stops by all the neighboring departments at the time this call was made. If that isn't the case I believe he was picked up by someone identifiyijg themselves as a Trooper or police officer and he got into their car willingly before something nefarious occurred. I think all of the second voice ideas are coming from the location of the recording, which is dispatch/nursing home.

    I'm a former Trooper (not Texas) and my take is he is trying to describe his location when he is referring to the "staper." I think he's referencing one traffic stop where a second officer stopped on the opposite side of the road, or two traffic stops each occurring on opposite sides of the road. It's common for police to dispatch their locations when initiating a traffic stop, specifically at night on a desolate road, so if he is unfamiliar with his exact location he's hoping when he calls 911 they will know the location of a traffic stop that just occurred or is occurring in the distance. I'd be interested to see locations of traffic stops by all the neighboring departments at the time this call was made. If that isn't the case I believe he was picked up by someone identifiyijg themselves as a Trooper or police officer and he got into their car willingly before something nefarious occurred. I think all of the second voice ideas are coming from the location of the recording, which is dispatch/nursing home.

  • Jess

    Jess Austin, TX

    Am I the only one who doesn't hear "staper" at all?? I hear "Yes, I'm in the middle of a field, this guy 'pushed his pooch and dodged' over. (I know that doesn't make sense but it's what I hear) We're out here goin' toward Abilene on both sides. My truck ran outta gas. There's one car here that got chased into the woods. Please hurry. The one I talked to's gone, I totally ran into him (The first time I listened to this, I thought this line sounded like, "I turned and now IT'S gone." (Emphasizing "it's" in a way one might if they were meaning to say "it's also gone") Got the first guy." (or "Shot the first guy.") Then I hear a noise in the distance and it sounds like Brandon is starting to say something about it, but the dispatcher speaks over him to ask if he needs an ambulance. When Brandon goes silent at the end, I hear a car engine.

    Am I the only one who doesn't hear "staper" at all??

    I hear
    "Yes, I'm in the middle of a field,
    this guy 'pushed his pooch and dodged' over. (I know that doesn't make sense but it's what I hear)
    We're out here goin' toward Abilene on both sides.
    My truck ran outta gas.
    There's one car here that got chased into the woods.
    Please hurry.
    The one I talked to's gone,
    I totally ran into him (The first time I listened to this, I thought this line sounded like, "I turned and now IT'S gone." (Emphasizing "it's" in a way one might if they were meaning to say "it's also gone")
    Got the first guy." (or "Shot the first guy.")

    Then I hear a noise in the distance and it sounds like Brandon is starting to say something about it, but the dispatcher speaks over him to ask if he needs an ambulance. When Brandon goes silent at the end, I hear a car engine.

  • Bonnie

    Bonnie Ga

    Great episodes guys!! One question if there were gun shots and someone was shot, why wouldn't he say yes when she asked if he needed an ambulance? If there was a state trooper doing shady stuff or someone shooting a gun I'd want as much help as possible. Ems, fire rescue, whoever. Just a thought. Would really like a follow up with your techy friends listening to it. Also one last question. Are there any missing people around this time/same area. If there was a person shot or multiple people involved, where are they?!?!

    Great episodes guys!! One question if there were gun shots and someone was shot, why wouldn't he say yes when she asked if he needed an ambulance? If there was a state trooper doing shady stuff or someone shooting a gun I'd want as much help as possible. Ems, fire rescue, whoever. Just a thought. Would really like a follow up with your techy friends listening to it. Also one last question. Are there any missing people around this time/same area. If there was a person shot or multiple people involved, where are they?!?!

  • Kalindi

    Kalindi Kansas City, MO

    Here's what I hear... Yes I’m in the middle of a field. A [staper/skipper] just [pulled/pushed/screwed] some guy[s] over, out here going towards Abilene [on both sides / on Bronte side]. My truck ran out of gas, there’s one [car / point] here, [guy / got] chased [him / me] into the woods. Please hurry. ...and we’re not talkin to [him / ’em]. Ahh I totally ran into him. (it sounds like a second person says the word “detective” here; someone else asking Brandon a question, to which he responds:) Just the first guy. Yes– no I need the cops.

    Here's what I hear...

    Yes I’m in the middle of a field.

    A [staper/skipper] just [pulled/pushed/screwed] some guy[s] over, out here going towards Abilene [on both sides / on Bronte side]. My truck ran out of gas, there’s one [car / point] here, [guy / got] chased [him / me] into the woods. Please hurry.

    ...and we’re not talkin to [him / ’em]. Ahh I totally ran into him.

    (it sounds like a second person says the word “detective” here; someone else asking Brandon a question, to which he respondssmile
    Just the first guy.

    Yes– no I need the cops.

  • Kalindi

    Kalindi

    Here's what I hear... Yes I’m in the middle of a field. A [staper / skiper] just [pulled / pushed / screwed] some guy[s] over. Out here going towards Abilene [on both sides / on Bronte side]. My truck ran out of gas, there’s one car here, [guy / got] chased [him / me] into the woods. Please hurry. …and we’re not talkin’ to [him / ’em]. Ahh, I totally ran into him. (Here it sounds like a second person on Brandon’s end says “detective”; it's possible someone else asking is Brandon a question, to which he responds:) Just the first guy. Yes– no, I need the cops. Is anyone else hearing the second voice say "Detective" before Brandon says "just the first guy"? The tone almost sounds like he's identifying himself as such.

    Here's what I hear...

    Yes I’m in the middle of a field.

    A [staper / skiper] just [pulled / pushed / screwed] some guy[s] over.
    Out here going towards Abilene [on both sides / on Bronte side].

    My truck ran out of gas, there’s one car here, [guy / got] chased [him / me] into the woods.
    Please hurry.

    …and we’re not talkin’ to [him / ’em]. Ahh, I totally ran into him.

    (Here it sounds like a second person on Brandon’s end says “detective”;
    it's possible someone else asking is Brandon a question, to which he respondssmile
    Just the first guy.

    Yes– no, I need the cops.

    Is anyone else hearing the second voice say "Detective" before Brandon says "just the first guy"? The tone almost sounds like he's identifying himself as such.

  • Kelli

    Kelli Fort Worth, TX

    I do hear something a little different on this line now. I hear: Brandon: Went over start talking to 'em. I totally ran into them.

    I do hear something a little different on this line now. I hear:

    Brandon: Went over start talking to 'em. I totally ran into them.

  • Erin

    Erin MS

    He's definitely saying "Abilene" as others have said. Not far from Bronte.

    He's definitely saying "Abilene" as others have said. Not far from Bronte.

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous

    One other thing that has been bothering me is the "going towards Abilene on both sides" comment. Looking on google maps, this is a two lane highway. Could he mean that they were on both sides of the highway - and both going north, towards Abilene, including someone in the south bound lane.

    One other thing that has been bothering me is the "going towards Abilene on both sides" comment. Looking on google maps, this is a two lane highway. Could he mean that they were on both sides of the highway - and both going north, towards Abilene, including someone in the south bound lane.

  • Jason

    Jason California

    I think the theory of Tim from Maryland about running into a drug dealer shooting and being killed so he won't witness what happened is by far the best, and explains just about everything. That being said, most of the discussion was based on the assumption that "staper" means "state trooper". But if that assumption is incorrect, then a lot of the ideas presented in the episodes would be invalid. I know you guys have worked hard on this, but do you think you could do one more episode in which you don't assume he's talking about a state trooper and see where it leads? And also, one of the most intriguing parts of this recording is that he refuses an ambulance, when he seems to be hurt, and seems to be talking about other people who are hurt. Why would he refuse the ambulance?

    I think the theory of Tim from Maryland about running into a drug dealer shooting and being killed so he won't witness what happened is by far the best, and explains just about everything.

    That being said, most of the discussion was based on the assumption that "staper" means "state trooper". But if that assumption is incorrect, then a lot of the ideas presented in the episodes would be invalid. I know you guys have worked hard on this, but do you think you could do one more episode in which you don't assume he's talking about a state trooper and see where it leads?

    And also, one of the most intriguing parts of this recording is that he refuses an ambulance, when he seems to be hurt, and seems to be talking about other people who are hurt. Why would he refuse the ambulance?

  • Rachel

    Rachel North Ridgeville

    Ok, I just listened to part 2. Where you guys think you hear "gunshot" sounding noise and then a muffled voice saying "that guys hurt" made me think of a scene played out something like this: Brandon and an unknown gentleman are fleeing a scary situation that happened on the road. When they think they are at a safe distance Brandon calls 911. Maybe the other guy that got chased into the woods was on the opposite side of the road and that is why he is talking about both sides of the road. Like he and the unknown guy "second dude" we will call him go off in one direction, and the "first guy" goes off in the other direction on the other side of the road into the woods, being pursued. Then when they hear the gunshots Brandon says to the guy he is with (or that guy says to Brandon) "oh that guys hurt" like a little bit of shock just hit him. Ever watch a car crash and you see it happen and you think to yourself "somebody is definitely hurt" ? That sort of comment. Then they are both quiet when they realize whomever is the perpetrator is now close and if they speak or move they will be discovered. This doesn't cover everything, but it does work with what we do know he says. Plus, the lack of detail on the 911 call I would assume is because he had no more detail. He probably stumbled on a scene out there in the dark as he was walking for gas and knew just enough to sense danger or know he had to get out of there. But I reiterate, when the tape is slowed down I hear "those guys" not staper. Maybe there were a couple bad guys and they chased a few "good guys" including Brandon and everyone scattered in different directions on either side of the road. Maybe Brandon stumbled on a scene where some people were going to get hurt, he helped them escape and everyone took off running away from the bad guy, whomever that may be. I am sure that if someone wanted to do something nefarious, that time of night out in the country would be a place they wouldn't think to run into anyone. And then here comes Brandon, walking away from his truck to get gas and stumbled on to something bad. That would explain why he thought he needed cops and not an ambulance. He also could have said he needed both, but he didn't. Or maybe I'm just dumb and should leave the conjecturing to Nic and The Captain 😜

    Ok, I just listened to part 2. Where you guys think you hear "gunshot" sounding noise and then a muffled voice saying "that guys hurt" made me think of a scene played out something like this: Brandon and an unknown gentleman are fleeing a scary situation that happened on the road. When they think they are at a safe distance Brandon calls 911. Maybe the other guy that got chased into the woods was on the opposite side of the road and that is why he is talking about both sides of the road. Like he and the unknown guy "second dude" we will call him go off in one direction, and the "first guy" goes off in the other direction on the other side of the road into the woods, being pursued. Then when they hear the gunshots Brandon says to the guy he is with (or that guy says to Brandon) "oh that guys hurt" like a little bit of shock just hit him. Ever watch a car crash and you see it happen and you think to yourself "somebody is definitely hurt" ? That sort of comment. Then they are both quiet when they realize whomever is the perpetrator is now close and if they speak or move they will be discovered. This doesn't cover everything, but it does work with what we do know he says. Plus, the lack of detail on the 911 call I would assume is because he had no more detail. He probably stumbled on a scene out there in the dark as he was walking for gas and knew just enough to sense danger or know he had to get out of there. But I reiterate, when the tape is slowed down I hear "those guys" not staper. Maybe there were a couple bad guys and they chased a few "good guys" including Brandon and everyone scattered in different directions on either side of the road. Maybe Brandon stumbled on a scene where some people were going to get hurt, he helped them escape and everyone took off running away from the bad guy, whomever that may be. I am sure that if someone wanted to do something nefarious, that time of night out in the country would be a place they wouldn't think to run into anyone. And then here comes Brandon, walking away from his truck to get gas and stumbled on to something bad. That would explain why he thought he needed cops and not an ambulance. He also could have said he needed both, but he didn't. Or maybe I'm just dumb and should leave the conjecturing to Nic and The Captain 😜

  • Jillian

    Jillian NY

    At the end, it sounds as if he put the phone in his pocket and is running, and that muffled sound you hear is the phone hitting/brushing his body.

    At the end, it sounds as if he put the phone in his pocket and is running, and that muffled sound you hear is the phone hitting/brushing his body.

  • Kelly

    Kelly Kellyscoomments@gmail.com

    My guess... B: Yes, I'm in the middle of a field. A sniper just pushed some guys over. Right here going towards Abilene, on Bronte side. My truck ran out of gas. There's one car here, got chased through the woods. Please hurry. O: OK, NOW RUN THAT BY ME ONE MORE B: One guy talking to him. Tried telling him he ran into him. O: AH, YOU RAN INTO HIM, OK B: Just the first guy. O: DO YOU NEED AN AMBULANCE? B: No, I need the cops.

    My guess...

    B: Yes, I'm in the middle of a field.
    A sniper just pushed some guys over.
    Right here going towards Abilene, on Bronte side.
    My truck ran out of gas.
    There's one car here, got chased through the woods.
    Please hurry.

    O: OK, NOW RUN THAT BY ME ONE MORE

    B: One guy talking to him.
    Tried telling him he ran into him.

    O: AH, YOU RAN INTO HIM, OK

    B: Just the first guy.

    O: DO YOU NEED AN AMBULANCE?

    B: No, I need the cops.

  • M.

    M.

    "Yes, I'm in the middle of a field, if you could just, or, needja ta bring some guys over.." - He is asking for Police. Brandon says, "And When I talked to them - I shouldn't have ran into them." - I think here, he is trying to explain that the guys told him that, "You shouldn't have run into us." Then person yells in the background. Brandon says, "That's the first Guy" you can hear the yelling if you slow it down with youtube. There is a man yelling in the background. Then I think he went quiet to hide because they were close.

    "Yes, I'm in the middle of a field, if you could just, or, needja ta bring some guys over.." - He is asking for Police.

    Brandon says, "And When I talked to them - I shouldn't have ran into them." - I think here, he is trying to explain that the guys told him that, "You shouldn't have run into us."

    Then person yells in the background.

    Brandon says, "That's the first Guy" you can hear the yelling if you slow it down with youtube. There is a man yelling in the background.

    Then I think he went quiet to hide because they were close.

  • raymac027

    raymac027

    I don't think he's ever talking to anyone other than the dispatcher. I feel like he is witnessing something and telling her what he's seeing, which is why sometimes he's not answering her question just saying something random. And then I think he's seen and something bad happens to him.

    I don't think he's ever talking to anyone other than the dispatcher. I feel like he is witnessing something and telling her what he's seeing, which is why sometimes he's not answering her question just saying something random. And then I think he's seen and something bad happens to him.

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous

    BL: Yeah- I'm in a middle of a field. These guys were just *inaudible* outta nowhere. We were out here goin' towards Albiline on Bronte side till my truck ran out of gas. There's one car here & I got chased into the woods- please hurry. There's one guy talkin' to 'em - I totally ran into 'em. Just the first guy. Second person: Laughs, yeah BL: No I need the cops And then I hear the sound of accelerating engine(s)

    BL: Yeah- I'm in a middle of a field.
    These guys were just *inaudible* outta nowhere.
    We were out here goin' towards Albiline on Bronte side till my truck ran out of gas.
    There's one car here & I got chased into the woods- please hurry.
    There's one guy talkin' to 'em - I totally ran into 'em.
    Just the first guy.

    Second person: Laughs, yeah
    BL: No I need the cops

    And then I hear the sound of accelerating engine(s)

  • laney

    laney Pennsylvania

    when the dispatcher askes him to repeat, it sounded to me like he said "i tell ya i didn't kill him" i'm getting such a head ache trying to hear what he's saying...

    when the dispatcher askes him to repeat, it sounded to me like he said "i tell ya i didn't kill him"

    i'm getting such a head ache trying to hear what he's saying...

  • Ashley

    Ashley Chesaning, MI

    Has anyone looked into this on websleuths? There's some really conflicting info-not saying i believe it yet, or not-regarding Brandon being in the bushes hiding and on the phone with his brother as the deputy was checking out his truck. I would like an episode three of this case. What was the investigation like? What were Brandon and his girlfriend fighting? What was his mindset when he left? Were these fights typical? Why would he take off on a two something hour drive, with not enough gas and wait to run out, then call his brother?

    Has anyone looked into this on websleuths? There's some really conflicting info-not saying i believe it yet, or not-regarding Brandon being in the bushes hiding and on the phone with his brother as the deputy was checking out his truck.

    I would like an episode three of this case. What was the investigation like? What were Brandon and his girlfriend fighting? What was his mindset when he left? Were these fights typical? Why would he take off on a two something hour drive, with not enough gas and wait to run out, then call his brother?

  • Kenvothe M.

    Kenvothe M. Felurians Lust

    I hear..."yes i am in the middle of a field, it's safer. We just pushed guys over. We're out here going towards Abeline on both sides. My truck ran out if gas...there's one guy here. They chased em into the woods...please hurry! We're not talking to him (or 'em' as in them told him (or 'em) told ya i don't know him...not(or got) the first guy. Note: sounds like he is telling person in the background no im not talking to either police or some one else. Im a fast talker and run my words tofether alot and had repeated this along with the 911 tape and it runs pretty close...only problem is it still dont tell anythinf other than what is going on at that moment. Nor is there any report of a missing nor harmed state trooper in 2013 or around that time. Really interesting case i hiow you gentlemen keep us informed on updates as they present themselves. Thanks

    I hear..."yes i am in the middle of a field, it's safer. We just pushed guys over. We're out here going towards Abeline on both sides. My truck ran out if gas...there's one guy here. They chased em into the woods...please hurry!
    We're not talking to him (or 'em' as in them told him (or 'em) told ya i don't know him...not(or got) the first guy.
    Note: sounds like he is telling person in the background no im not talking to either police or some one else. Im a fast talker and run my words tofether alot and had repeated this along with the 911 tape and it runs pretty close...only problem is it still dont tell anythinf other than what is going on at that moment. Nor is there any report of a missing nor harmed state trooper in 2013 or around that time. Really interesting case i hiow you gentlemen keep us informed on updates as they present themselves. Thanks

  • Chris

    Chris Ohio

    From what i have heard he has been located in Ohio and has a family here. somewhere near Akron i believe. a seperate family apart from the one in texas.

    From what i have heard he has been located in Ohio and has a family here. somewhere near Akron i believe. a seperate family apart from the one in texas.

  • Veselin Stankov

    Veselin Stankov

    Ok, enough with the BS, enough with the drama you all are self-enhancing and developing even further!!! Now let the non-native speaker take you to school in deciphering your own language! Jesus, enough with the mystery, down with the delusions... So, he says: Yeah, I'n in the middle of a field, if Skype would just perish and dies over. Right here, going toward Abeline on Bronte's side. My truck ran out of gas. There's one call here, you gotta tape it (type it) to the word(s)! PLEASE HURRY! And when I talk to 'em, I'll tell what I need to 'em. Here the dispatcher mistakenly hears it as "I ran into 'em" and repeats: "Oooh, you ran into 'em", which he takes as a conformation of his suggestion, and adds - "Yes, the first guy!" Then - as he was afraid, the call drops, battery dead, therefore the silence. BATTERY DEAD, not HIM DEAD, got it?!? (I mean 'in that moment', not saying 'until now''. And also - no chasing in woods, no other car, and DEFINITELY NO STATE TROOPER!!! Get it, class ??? So - NO MORE DRAMA, OK ?!? Dismissed!!!

    Ok, enough with the BS, enough with the drama you all are self-enhancing and developing even further!!!
    Now let the non-native speaker take you to school in deciphering your own language! Jesus, enough with the mystery, down with the delusions... So, he says:

    Yeah, I'n in the middle of a field, if Skype would just perish and dies over. Right here, going toward Abeline on Bronte's side.
    My truck ran out of gas. There's one call here, you gotta tape it (type it) to the word(s)! PLEASE HURRY!
    And when I talk to 'em, I'll tell what I need to 'em.

    Here the dispatcher mistakenly hears it as "I ran into 'em" and repeats: "Oooh, you ran into 'em", which he takes as a conformation of his suggestion, and adds - "Yes, the first guy!"
    Then - as he was afraid, the call drops, battery dead, therefore the silence. BATTERY DEAD, not HIM DEAD, got it?!? (I mean 'in that moment', not saying 'until now''. And also - no chasing in woods, no other car, and DEFINITELY NO STATE TROOPER!!!
    Get it, class ??? So - NO MORE DRAMA, OK ?!? Dismissed!!!

  • sonity

    sonity cardiff nsw

    what about ;: the state trouper jyst bruised some guys over

    what about ;: the state trouper jyst bruised some guys over

  • Rachel

    Rachel NR

    I'm embarrassed how obsessed I am with listening to this 911 call....but whatever! I just listened again as I was packing my kids lunches and this time I swear he said "check the woods" and "I saw him run into him" instead of "totally" or "accidentally" ran into him.

    I'm embarrassed how obsessed I am with listening to this 911 call....but whatever! I just listened again as I was packing my kids lunches and this time I swear he said "check the woods" and "I saw him run into him" instead of "totally" or "accidentally" ran into him.

  • Cody

    Cody LaGrange, Ga

    Great show guys keep up the good work. As a firefighter/paramedic with 10 years of experience, I do believe Brandon was hurt. His 911 call sounded to me like he was talking out of his head. This could possibly indicate a head injury. If he had brain damage to his frontal cortex which sits right behind your forhead it would alter his personality and judgment. This might be "far-fetched", but my thought is he was possibly injured by someone accidentally. These people could have been trying to help him initially and thought they were trying to "get him". During this time Brendan passed away. Even though it would've been an accident the person that injured him attempted to hide Brandon to covering it up . Also when you listen to the 911 tape you hear somebody talking in the background. To me this seems to be another dispatcher in the back ground talk to the call taker. Might not be right, but this is another approach on what happen.

    Great show guys keep up the good work. As a firefighter/paramedic with 10 years of experience, I do believe Brandon was hurt. His 911 call sounded to me like he was talking out of his head. This could possibly indicate a head injury. If he had brain damage to his frontal cortex which sits right behind your forhead it would alter his personality and judgment. This might be "far-fetched", but my thought is he was possibly injured by someone accidentally. These people could have been trying to help him initially and thought they were trying to "get him". During this time Brendan passed away. Even though it would've been an accident the person that injured him attempted to hide Brandon to covering it up . Also when you listen to the 911 tape you hear somebody talking in the background. To me this seems to be another dispatcher in the back ground talk to the call taker.

    Might not be right, but this is another approach on what happen.

  • AmyBeth

    AmyBeth

    Ashley, I was all over the Websleuths page last night and I agree with you there is some interesting information out there as pertains to this case. I would love to see the guys delve into some other theories, although, it would probably require calling into question some family members and I know they really don't like to do that (understandably). Anyway, I'm with you Ashley, the whole hotel room thing was super weird and at least deserves some attention!

    Ashley, I was all over the Websleuths page last night and I agree with you there is some interesting information out there as pertains to this case. I would love to see the guys delve into some other theories, although, it would probably require calling into question some family members and I know they really don't like to do that (understandably). Anyway, I'm with you Ashley, the whole hotel room thing was super weird and at least deserves some attention!

  • Amanda Lawson

    Amanda Lawson Charleston, West Virginia

    I was so happy to see you guys covering this case!! I have been obsessed with it since I heard it on The Vanished! I, like the Captain, feel like this 911 call is the tell-all and if we could just figure out what he is saying, then we'd be closer to knowing what happened to Brandon. In the part that everyone is saying they hear "I totally ran into 'em." I think he's telling the dispatcher WHERE he ran into these people that he's calling 911 about/for. I studied the map around that area while listening to the call over and over and over. I hear "Tye's where we ran into 'em." I am not sure where his truck was found, but there is a city called Tye. It's 52.6 miles from Bronte and 8.6 miles from Abilene. I think he was in a car with someone when he called and lost signal at the end, as I believe he says "we" in that sentence. I think someone picked him up and he got in the middle of a situation he didn't want to be in and believed the people or person that picked him up was trying to help him or he was trying to help them get out of a bad situation with other people. And what about "A _____ just SCREWED some guys over" for that sentence at the beginning of the call, instead of "..... (pushed or pulled) some guys over? I tried to hear pushed or pulled and I just can't hear either one. Also, what about "We're out here going towards Abilene above Tye," maybe, instead of ".... on both sides?" Again, maybe he's saying more about his location rather than the situation. I really hope the Captain was serious about wanting to give this 911 call to his buddies who have the professional studio recording equipment and no previous knowledge of the case. I would love to hear these buddies' take on it! I love your show, Nick & Captain Fantastico! I think you take a very common sense approach when it comes to theories on the cases you cover. You often say exactly what I am thinking. I'm catch myself saying "Thank you!" to my phone when one of you says something that just makes sense. I also enjoy the humor that the Captain brings to the show, even when it is ignored by Nic, which makes it even funnier to me, btw. Keep up all your great work at giving us intriguing shows every week, guys!

    I was so happy to see you guys covering this case!! I have been obsessed with it since I heard it on The Vanished! I, like the Captain, feel like this 911 call is the tell-all and if we could just figure out what he is saying, then we'd be closer to knowing what happened to Brandon.
    In the part that everyone is saying they hear "I totally ran into 'em." I think he's telling the dispatcher WHERE he ran into these people that he's calling 911 about/for. I studied the map around that area while listening to the call over and over and over. I hear "Tye's where we ran into 'em." I am not sure where his truck was found, but there is a city called Tye. It's 52.6 miles from Bronte and 8.6 miles from Abilene. I think he was in a car with someone when he called and lost signal at the end, as I believe he says "we" in that sentence. I think someone picked him up and he got in the middle of a situation he didn't want to be in and believed the people or person that picked him up was trying to help him or he was trying to help them get out of a bad situation with other people.

    And what about "A _____ just SCREWED some guys over" for that sentence at the beginning of the call, instead of "..... (pushed or pulled) some guys over? I tried to hear pushed or pulled and I just can't hear either one.

    Also, what about "We're out here going towards Abilene above Tye," maybe, instead of ".... on both sides?" Again, maybe he's saying more about his location rather than the situation.

    I really hope the Captain was serious about wanting to give this 911 call to his buddies who have the professional studio recording equipment and no previous knowledge of the case. I would love to hear these buddies' take on it!

    I love your show, Nick & Captain Fantastico! I think you take a very common sense approach when it comes to theories on the cases you cover. You often say exactly what I am thinking. I'm catch myself saying "Thank you!" to my phone when one of you says something that just makes sense. I also enjoy the humor that the Captain brings to the show, even when it is ignored by Nic, which makes it even funnier to me, btw. Keep up all your great work at giving us intriguing shows every week, guys!

  • Nurse Stephanie

    Nurse Stephanie

    Hey guys!! I work night shift & listen to your show on my drive to/from work. I finished both episodes on my drive home & now I have to try to sleep & I'm totally creeped out!! I like to Google image the ppl from episodes so I can get a face w the story so what made it even more creepy was while I was listening to his out of breath voice, I was staring at his picture..

    Hey guys!! I work night shift & listen to your show on my drive to/from work. I finished both episodes on my drive home & now I have to try to sleep & I'm totally creeped out!! I like to Google image the ppl from episodes so I can get a face w the story so what made it even more creepy was while I was listening to his out of breath voice, I was staring at his picture..

  • Mark

    Mark

    A state trooper just pulled some guys over?

    A state trooper just pulled some guys over?

  • Mackdoyle

    Mackdoyle Portland, OR

    OK here is my take at the 9-1-1 call. I have attempted to transcribe the inaudible parts as they sound to me instead of what I think he is saying. Also, being a native Texan, I am fairly confident on the parts I do not identify as inaudible. OP - 9-1-1 emergency BL: Yes I am in the middle of a field, guys over. Right here going towards Abilene on both sides. BL: My truck ran out of gas. There's one car here, a guy to the woods. Please hurry. OP: OK. Now, run that by me one more time. BL: . I totally ran into 'em. OP: Ahh, you ran into 'em, OK. BL: the first guy. OP (Speaking over BL): Do you need an ambulance? BL (Being spoken over by OP): INAUDIBLE BL: Yea-No I need the cops. OP: Is anybody hurt? OP: Hello? OP: Hello? OP: Hello?

    OK here is my take at the 9-1-1 call. I have attempted to transcribe the inaudible parts as they sound to me instead of what I think he is saying. Also, being a native Texan, I am fairly confident on the parts I do not identify as inaudible.

    OP - 9-1-1 emergency

    BL: Yes I am in the middle of a field, guys over. Right here going towards Abilene on both sides.

    BL: My truck ran out of gas. There's one car here, a guy to the woods. Please hurry.

    OP: OK. Now, run that by me one more time.

    BL: . I totally ran into 'em.

    OP: Ahh, you ran into 'em, OK.

    BL: the first guy.

    OP (Speaking over BL): Do you need an ambulance?
    BL (Being spoken over by OP): INAUDIBLE

    BL: Yea-No I need the cops.

    OP: Is anybody hurt?

    OP: Hello?

    OP: Hello?

    OP: Hello?

  • Melissa

    Melissa Hagerstown, MD

    Staper... I'm thinking he was saying State Boy as in State Cop Stateboy just pulled some guys over.

    Staper...
    I'm thinking he was saying State Boy as in State Cop
    Stateboy just pulled some guys over.

  • Dana

    Dana Dallas, Texas

    It's "we're (or they're) out here heading to Abilene on both sides." He's from San Angelo heading North to Abilene on 277. It's an hour and forty five minute drive. Could he have hit the "guys" head on because they were on the wrong side of the freeway?

    It's "we're (or they're) out here heading to Abilene on both sides." He's from San Angelo heading North to Abilene on 277. It's an hour and forty five minute drive.
    Could he have hit the "guys" head on because they were on the wrong side of the freeway?

  • Michelle

    Michelle

    Listening to the 911 tape is so heartbreaking. I keep thinking about how his family must have felt, listening to the final words of Brandon and trying the understand what happened to him. I think I would lose my mind if I were them, trying to figure it out.

    Listening to the 911 tape is so heartbreaking. I keep thinking about how his family must have felt, listening to the final words of Brandon and trying the understand what happened to him. I think I would lose my mind if I were them, trying to figure it out.

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous

    Wow so many comments on the 911 tape. Interesting to see everyone's opinion of what they think the 911 call says. However reading through so many comments it's amazing some of the translation I'm reading. I have listened to the call over a dozen times. Listening closely there are only a few words to me that could even be translated in different way. Below I'll put the words in there that are for sure and then ones that aren't audible and up for debate. You will see a few missing words as inaudible. Those are the mystery words to me and probably most other people but when I read all the different translations people attempt it's almost laughable at times because it's no where near what he is saying. I respect everyone's opinions on the site but there are some that are just wayyyyyy off. -1-1 Emergency: 9-1-1 Emergency? Brandon: Yes, I'm in the middle of the field ...(inaudible)...(inaudible-possible: pushed some guys over or pushed some cars over) ..We are out here, goin' towards Abiline, on both sides........my truck ran out of gas... there's one car here...(inaudible-possible... the woods.) Please hurry. 9-1-1 Emergency: Ok. Now. Run that by me.....? Brandon: ( inaudible) talking to em" ( inaudible) (inaudible- ran into em") 9-1-1 Emergency: Ahhh...you ran into them? Ok. Brandon : ( inaudible) (inaudible- the first guy." ) 9-1-1 Emergency: Do you need an ambulance? *Possible Unknown Person says: "yeah" If there was no unknown person with Brandon, it is possible that he said "yes" and his own voice changed rapidly to voice "No, I need the cops.") 9-1-1 Emergency: Is anyone hurt? 9-1-1 Emergency: Hello? (Original tape has three hello's.) 9-1-1 Emergency: Hello? 9-1-1 Emergency: Hello?

    Wow so many comments on the 911 tape. Interesting to see everyone's opinion of what they think the 911 call says. However reading through so many comments it's amazing some of the translation I'm reading. I have listened to the call over a dozen times. Listening closely there are only a few words to me that could even be translated in different way. Below I'll put the words in there that are for sure and then ones that aren't audible and up for debate. You will see a few missing words as inaudible. Those are the mystery words to me and probably most other people but when I read all the different translations people attempt it's almost laughable at times because it's no where near what he is saying. I respect everyone's opinions on the site but there are some that are just wayyyyyy off.
    -1-1 Emergency: 9-1-1 Emergency?
    Brandon: Yes, I'm in the middle of the field ...(inaudible)...(inaudible-possible: pushed some guys over or pushed some cars over) ..We are out here, goin' towards Abiline, on both sides........my truck ran out of gas... there's one car here...(inaudible-possible... the woods.) Please hurry.
    9-1-1 Emergency: Ok. Now. Run that by me.....?
    Brandon: ( inaudible) talking to em" ( inaudible) (inaudible- ran into em")
    9-1-1 Emergency: Ahhh...you ran into them? Ok.
    Brandon : ( inaudible) (inaudible- the first guy." )
    9-1-1 Emergency: Do you need an ambulance?
    *Possible Unknown Person says: "yeah" If there was no unknown person with Brandon, it is possible that he said "yes" and his own voice changed rapidly to voice "No, I need the cops.")
    9-1-1 Emergency: Is anyone hurt?
    9-1-1 Emergency: Hello?
    (Original tape has three hello's.)
    9-1-1 Emergency: Hello?
    9-1-1 Emergency: Hello?

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous

    As far as my theory man that's a tough one. One thing I actually heard on a good podcast but don't believe it for even a second is this theory Brandon did a bunch of Meth because of his work schedule and had some hallucination and all this was in his head. That's crazy he might have been tipsy or scared but he had his faculties fine. I do believe there was another person there. Partly because of the Yeah being said when asked about the ambulance and more validating is the fact Brandon uses plural terms a couple times on the call. However he does use singular terms like I ran into em. However between the two options I'll go with someone else was there with him. Now for what happened I believe he saw something he shouldn't have seen. It's possible it was people dealing drugs or possible police involvement. I don't usually buy the whole law enforcement cover usually it's total BS but in this case there is a chance a trooper was not doing what he was supposed to be doing and Brandon somehow so that and was killed for what he so. As far as the mystery man if there is one that says Yeah about the ambulance I'm not sure how he got involved. Either he was already or Brandon had met up with someone he didn't tell anyone about. Remember they stress that Brandon just passed a drug test for his job. Being a former partier at times myself the day I'd most likely go out and catch a buzz is the day after I just got a clean drug test knowing one isn't coming again for awhile.

    As far as my theory man that's a tough one. One thing I actually heard on a good podcast but don't believe it for even a second is this theory Brandon did a bunch of Meth because of his work schedule and had some hallucination and all this was in his head. That's crazy he might have been tipsy or scared but he had his faculties fine. I do believe there was another person there. Partly because of the Yeah being said when asked about the ambulance and more validating is the fact Brandon uses plural terms a couple times on the call. However he does use singular terms like I ran into em. However between the two options I'll go with someone else was there with him. Now for what happened I believe he saw something he shouldn't have seen. It's possible it was people dealing drugs or possible police involvement. I don't usually buy the whole law enforcement cover usually it's total BS but in this case there is a chance a trooper was not doing what he was supposed to be doing and Brandon somehow so that and was killed for what he so. As far as the mystery man if there is one that says Yeah about the ambulance I'm not sure how he got involved. Either he was already or Brandon had met up with someone he didn't tell anyone about. Remember they stress that Brandon just passed a drug test for his job. Being a former partier at times myself the day I'd most likely go out and catch a buzz is the day after I just got a clean drug test knowing one isn't coming again for awhile.

  • Blake

    Blake

    I think to me he is saying Abilene. Its right up 277 from San Angelo

    I think to me he is saying Abilene. Its right up 277 from San Angelo

  • sofasleuth

    sofasleuth somewhere in Europe

    This was the best episode so far, the 911 call was discussed in great details. I would love to hear more about the case though, perhaps in a third episode...? I have a few questions. You guys mentioned that there is suspicion about the tape being doctored but didn't discuss this aspect in the podcast, I would like to know if you found anything on the tape that would confirm that What does the girlfriend think about the call, does she have a version of what Brandon might have said? I have read in other discussion forums that Brandon was in fact under some influence, while in this podcast i heard the opposite. Is there an official statement on this from the girlfriend/father/brother? Do you have any details on Brandon's second phone call to his brother? As I'm not a native English speaker I can't really add anything useful to the 911 call, but I find it extremely interesting that almost every explanation makes sense. I wish this case be solved for the sake of the family. Heartbreaking story.

    This was the best episode so far, the 911 call was discussed in great details. I would love to hear more about the case though, perhaps in a third episode...? I have a few questions.
    You guys mentioned that there is suspicion about the tape being doctored but didn't discuss this aspect in the podcast, I would like to know if you found anything on the tape that would confirm that
    What does the girlfriend think about the call, does she have a version of what Brandon might have said?
    I have read in other discussion forums that Brandon was in fact under some influence, while in this podcast i heard the opposite. Is there an official statement on this from the girlfriend/father/brother?
    Do you have any details on Brandon's second phone call to his brother?
    As I'm not a native English speaker I can't really add anything useful to the 911 call, but I find it extremely interesting that almost every explanation makes sense. I wish this case be solved for the sake of the family. Heartbreaking story.

  • SB

    SB California

    This is one of your best episodes. I was pretty much on board with your conclusions about the words on the tape until I listened to it again today. I think Brandon says, "There is one boy here, he got taken/chased? to the woods" Perhaps he came upon a child abduction? Although in the South, the word "boy" can be interpreted many ways. Here is my translation: "Yes, I am in the middle of a field" "State Trooper just pulled some guys over" "Right here going toward Gavilan, on both sides" (are there any gas stations or stores that sound like Gavalin?) "My Truck ran out of gas" "There is one boy here, get got taken into the woods - please hurry" Then when he says, "We're not talking to them" It is possible he is not engaging the dispatcher at that time. I think there is someone else with him, who is possibly hurt, probably, "the one boy." Brandon is telling that person, "We're not talking to them..." probably meaning the couple of guys who were chasing them in the words. Then tells the operator, "we just ran into them" perhaps signaling, they were successfully hidden, but just ran into them again, i.e., they were coming! :inaudable: "Ah, shot/got the first guy" Then when she asks, "do you need an ambulance?," almost as soon as he is about to say no, someone says "yes." Now, I know you believed that to be Brandon, but I don't. I think he was with, "the other boy." They were both huddled over the phone with 911, and when the "other boy" heard, "do you need an ambulance, he said YES." Brandon, however, was acutely aware of the danger, realized they needed cops first. I see this as him coming upon some situation. Perhaps there was a state trooper/border agent that pulled some guys over, he encountered one of them, who seemed hurt, before being confronted with "the guys." Now, if people were getting shot left and right, you would think there would be bodies, or at least more missing people. However, perhaps these were not legal citizens, but this was a cartel/illegal situation. If two illegals died out in the fields of Texas, no one would know. This was either him walking up on Law Enforcement, doing something they should not have been doing to "some guys" and one boy got away...together they called 911 before being located. OR, someone pretending to be Law Enforcement, had pulled some guys over, and perhaps that nefarious situation played out badly, and he got in the middle of it. I am curious to know if there were any local robberies in the neighboring cities, that could have resulted in a car full of guys getting pulled over. I would be curious to see which Law Enforcement agencies were working that night. He assumes it is a State Trooper, but it could have been border patrol, local police, etc...Finally, I am curious if there were any missing people that week, or if any unique people checked into area hospitals. I am sure the police know more than they are saying, at times, it does sound like the tape has been tampered with.

    This is one of your best episodes. I was pretty much on board with your conclusions about the words on the tape until I listened to it again today.

    I think Brandon says, "There is one boy here, he got taken/chased? to the woods"

    Perhaps he came upon a child abduction? Although in the South, the word "boy" can be interpreted many ways.

    Here is my translation:

    "Yes, I am in the middle of a field"
    "State Trooper just pulled some guys over"
    "Right here going toward Gavilan, on both sides" (are there any gas stations or stores that sound like Gavalin?)
    "My Truck ran out of gas"
    "There is one boy here, get got taken into the woods - please hurry"

    Then when he says, "We're not talking to them" It is possible he is not engaging the dispatcher at that time. I think there is someone else with him, who is possibly hurt, probably, "the one boy." Brandon is telling that person, "We're not talking to them..." probably meaning the couple of guys who were chasing them in the words. Then tells the operator, "we just ran into them" perhaps signaling, they were successfully hidden, but just ran into them again, i.e., they were coming!

    :inaudable: "Ah, shot/got the first guy"

    Then when she asks, "do you need an ambulance?," almost as soon as he is about to say no, someone says "yes." Now, I know you believed that to be Brandon, but I don't. I think he was with, "the other boy." They were both huddled over the phone with 911, and when the "other boy" heard, "do you need an ambulance, he said YES." Brandon, however, was acutely aware of the danger, realized they needed cops first.

    I see this as him coming upon some situation. Perhaps there was a state trooper/border agent that pulled some guys over, he encountered one of them, who seemed hurt, before being confronted with "the guys."
    Now, if people were getting shot left and right, you would think there would be bodies, or at least more missing people. However, perhaps these were not legal citizens, but this was a cartel/illegal situation. If two illegals died out in the fields of Texas, no one would know.

    This was either him walking up on Law Enforcement, doing something they should not have been doing to "some guys" and one boy got away...together they called 911 before being located. OR, someone pretending to be Law Enforcement, had pulled some guys over, and perhaps that nefarious situation played out badly, and he got in the middle of it.

    I am curious to know if there were any local robberies in the neighboring cities, that could have resulted in a car full of guys getting pulled over. I would be curious to see which Law Enforcement agencies were working that night. He assumes it is a State Trooper, but it could have been border patrol, local police, etc...Finally, I am curious if there were any missing people that week, or if any unique people checked into area hospitals.

    I am sure the police know more than they are saying, at times, it does sound like the tape has been tampered with.

  • Suzanne

    Suzanne IE

    I truly don't mean to be disrespectful to Brandon or his family, and this is just MY theory not a fact and one I'm happy to be proved wrong on! My theory is that he was on drugs? After listening to your podcast & Gen Why's that's the conclusion I came to. His girlfriend said he was working 95 hours a week, I mean that's insane and he could have been burnt out and exhausted and then he gets in this big fight with his girlfriend (big enough that he wants to leave their home in the middle of the night) could he have relapsed into using again? It's just his 911 call to me makes no sense & I get that he's scared and running but usually unless the caller is just screaming and crying down the line they tend to make some sense, even if some of it is garbled the majority makes sense, also the drugs might not make him slur his words but what he is actually saying isn't coming out right. We know he did run out of gas so perhaps he was walking down the high way, maybe too close to the road and a car drove past and yelled at him / beeped their horn , something that really spooked him if he were not in a clear mind and he thought he was being attacked? He runs into the woods and becomes lost, disorientated and scared. I imagine being out there with a clear head when it's pitch black and there's nobody around, the mind can play tricks on you and there's noises of the wild life coming from all around (so imagine without a clear head) for me why I struggle with the attacker theory is he made another call to a family member 30 minutes after the 911 call, that's a LONG time for someone to stay out there hunting him in the pitch black while they assume he has a cell phone and could have easily called 911 by that time and the police are on their way! Also if they killed him out there how did they move his body? Dead weight is known to be impossibly heavy to move and this guy weighed around 250 lbs, in the pitch darkness whilst they're tripping over the brush? You'd need a lot of people, and a lot of time to hide the body and there were no reports from the brother or officer who arrived in the area shortly after of any other cars. Also wouldn't he be have to be the unluckiest man to have this all happen to him in the space of an hour? He gets In a fight with his girlfriend and leaves his house, his car runs out of gas, he stumbles across a drug scene. gets chased into the woods, he gets killed. It's possible I guess.. The only part that throws my theory is the other voice in the background but I'm not sure it's a second voice, if he is frightened and jerking his head around looking to where he hears strange noises coming from maybe he moved his mouth slightly away from the phone at certain parts which makes him sound further away, or perhaps it's someone in the background in the 911 office talking? To me the gun shot sounds could be anything, twigs, cars, wild life moving around. Also when he calls the family member 30 minutes later while he's probably still afraid I imagine within that half an hour frame he would have managed to calm down slightly as everything that was just happening in that moment when he called 911 was now over, so yes he would still be scared but surely he would have time to make a little more sense and yet he doesn't seem to, he just says he's down the road bleeding (if he was getting cut up in the brush he would be bleeding but surely if he was attacked by men or shot he would say that he was attacked or shot) I don't know what the wild life is like out there but if he's disorientated and lost could he have wondered further into the darkness not being able to see and maybe got bitten by a snake or fell down somewhere? That's just my take on it and again I'm not trying to state it as fact or offend anyone. Perhaps I am completely wrong and he was attacked by someone. I hope they find this young man one way or another and it's very sad whatever may have happened to him. My thoughts are with his family.

    I truly don't mean to be disrespectful to Brandon or his family, and this is just MY theory not a fact and one I'm happy to be proved wrong on! My theory is that he was on drugs? After listening to your podcast & Gen Why's that's the conclusion I came to. His girlfriend said he was working 95 hours a week, I mean that's insane and he could have been burnt out and exhausted and then he gets in this big fight with his girlfriend (big enough that he wants to leave their home in the middle of the night) could he have relapsed into using again? It's just his 911 call to me makes no sense & I get that he's scared and running but usually unless the caller is just screaming and crying down the line they tend to make some sense, even if some of it is garbled the majority makes sense, also the drugs might not make him slur his words but what he is actually saying isn't coming out right. We know he did run out of gas so perhaps he was walking down the high way, maybe too close to the road and a car drove past and yelled at him / beeped their horn , something that really spooked him if he were not in a clear mind and he thought he was being attacked? He runs into the woods and becomes lost, disorientated and scared. I imagine being out there with a clear head when it's pitch black and there's nobody around, the mind can play tricks on you and there's noises of the wild life coming from all around (so imagine without a clear head) for me why I struggle with the attacker theory is he made another call to a family member 30 minutes after the 911 call, that's a LONG time for someone to stay out there hunting him in the pitch black while they assume he has a cell phone and could have easily called 911 by that time and the police are on their way! Also if they killed him out there how did they move his body? Dead weight is known to be impossibly heavy to move and this guy weighed around 250 lbs, in the pitch darkness whilst they're tripping over the brush? You'd need a lot of people, and a lot of time to hide the body and there were no reports from the brother or officer who arrived in the area shortly after of any other cars. Also wouldn't he be have to be the unluckiest man to have this all happen to him in the space of an hour? He gets In a fight with his girlfriend and leaves his house, his car runs out of gas, he stumbles across a drug scene. gets chased into the woods, he gets killed. It's possible I guess.. The only part that throws my theory is the other voice in the background but I'm not sure it's a second voice, if he is frightened and jerking his head around looking to where he hears strange noises coming from maybe he moved his mouth slightly away from the phone at certain parts which makes him sound further away, or perhaps it's someone in the background in the 911 office talking? To me the gun shot sounds could be anything, twigs, cars, wild life moving around. Also when he calls the family member 30 minutes later while he's probably still afraid I imagine within that half an hour frame he would have managed to calm down slightly as everything that was just happening in that moment when he called 911 was now over, so yes he would still be scared but surely he would have time to make a little more sense and yet he doesn't seem to, he just says he's down the road bleeding (if he was getting cut up in the brush he would be bleeding but surely if he was attacked by men or shot he would say that he was attacked or shot) I don't know what the wild life is like out there but if he's disorientated and lost could he have wondered further into the darkness not being able to see and maybe got bitten by a snake or fell down somewhere? That's just my take on it and again I'm not trying to state it as fact or offend anyone. Perhaps I am completely wrong and he was attacked by someone.
    I hope they find this young man one way or another and it's very sad whatever may have happened to him. My thoughts are with his family.

  • Jocelyn

    Jocelyn Texas

    Kind of sounds like he could be saying "sniper" vs "state trooper"...

    Kind of sounds like he could be saying "sniper" vs "state trooper"...

  • Jackie M

    Jackie M Detroit, Mi.

    For the first line, I hear. "A State Trooper just pulled some guys over".

    For the first line, I hear. "A State Trooper just pulled some guys over".

  • Lynn

    Lynn Providence RI

    For the first line, I heard "this guy" instead of "staper".

    For the first line, I heard "this guy" instead of "staper".

  • Summer

    Summer Ft. Worth, TX

    For sure 'Abilene'!

    For sure 'Abilene'!

  • True Crime Garage Fan

    True Crime Garage Fan Oakland, CA

    Great episode! Regarding the confusion in this episode around the clip where Brandon says "[heading towards ________ on both sides]...." : After looking at a map, it seems to me that this is most definitely "Abilene", as in Abilene, TX. Highway 277 connects Bronte and Abilene, and since Abilene is one of the larger cities in the area, it sounds like he might be using Abilene as a quick way to communicate which direction he was driving (or the direction others were driving). Thanks for taking the time to really dissect the audio clip. You noticed so many subtle things that I completely missed the first time I heard it. Keep up the good work. Cheers!

    Great episode! Regarding the confusion in this episode around the clip where Brandon says "[heading towards ________ on both sides]...." : After looking at a map, it seems to me that this is most definitely "Abilene", as in Abilene, TX. Highway 277 connects Bronte and Abilene, and since Abilene is one of the larger cities in the area, it sounds like he might be using Abilene as a quick way to communicate which direction he was driving (or the direction others were driving).

    Thanks for taking the time to really dissect the audio clip. You noticed so many subtle things that I completely missed the first time I heard it.

    Keep up the good work. Cheers!

  • Bill

    Bill Texas

    Yes I'm in the middle of a field. A sniper just pooched some guys over, right here going towards Abilene on both sides my truck ran out of gas there's one car here the guy chased us into the woods. Please hurry! The guys taking to him. Ahhh he totally ran into him. (He) shot the first guy. Ugh" (another man possibly shot writhing in pain). No I need the cops Dispatcher: is anybody hurt. Shots ring Maybe we heard no phone drop because he is trying to hide and stay quiet. Or maybe the phone is in his pocket and he's running. We don't know how the phonecall is eventually ended.

    Yes I'm in the middle of a field. A sniper just pooched some guys over, right here going towards Abilene on both sides my truck ran out of gas there's one car here the guy chased us into the woods. Please hurry! The guys taking to him. Ahhh he totally ran into him. (He) shot the first guy.

    Ugh" (another man possibly shot writhing in pain). No I need the cops

    Dispatcher: is anybody hurt. Shots ring

    Maybe we heard no phone drop because he is trying to hide and stay quiet. Or maybe the phone is in his pocket and he's running. We don't know how the phonecall is eventually ended.

  • Amanda Lawson

    Amanda Lawson

    After doing some further research and finding out exactly where his truck was found, I now do NOT believe he could be refererring to Tye as a location. It is too far away from where his truck was found. Tye is 50 mins./56.7 mi. from his truck. I still believe he was with people. Someone could've picked him up between 12:38 and 12:50. There are 12 minutes, within which we have no idea what happened. We know that the time he knows something is wrong is at 12:50. He isn't hurt at that point and I don'the think that anyone in the background says "That guy's hurt" either because the dispatcher asks if he needs an ambulance. Brandon says, "No, I need the cops." If he believed someone was hurt at that point, wouldn'the he have said, "Yes, and the cops?" Sometime between 1:10 and 1:18, he calls his brother and says he's 10 minutes up the road and bleeding. The brother likely told him that he was at his truck on that call. Saying you are 10 minutes away from someone who you know has a vehicle, to me, means 'I'm 10 driving mins. away, come get me.' Was he 10 mins. up the road from his truck? And because no one has ever come forward to say that they were with him that night, does that mean that someone decided after he made that 911 call that they couldn't risk leaving him alive? Does the silence at the end of the 911 call mean he lost signal or did someone knock him unconscious and hang up his phone? The latter could explain the next call from him to Kyle about 20-25 mins. later between 1:10 and 1:18, where he says he is bleeding. There are a lot of things that bug me about this case, but there is one major thing that bugs me! I don't buy the "staper" word theory about it being a combination of state and trooper! I know people are saying that "staper" is a word used to refer to troopers, but I wonder if anyone has asked his girlfriend if this is a word that he commonly used. If he said it on the call, then it's likely something he has referred to state police as in the past. Another theory: Looking at the map, there are lots of... state parks. State park.....stay park.....staypar. "I'm in the middle of a field at staypar....." maybe??? The sentence "....got chased into the woods" might make more sense in certain places within a state park also. I also thought maybe "state car." There are tons of people who are in governmental positions and drive cars with state license plates that he could've seen. He may not have known what the job that person held was, but saw the plate. However, every time I think I have something figured out, I listen again and the inflection of his voice makes it not sound right. It's sooooooo frustrating! I think I will spend my life studying this call!

    After doing some further research and finding out exactly where his truck was found, I now do NOT believe he could be refererring to Tye as a location. It is too far away from where his truck was found. Tye is 50 mins./56.7 mi. from his truck.

    I still believe he was with people. Someone could've picked him up between 12:38 and 12:50. There are 12 minutes, within which we have no idea what happened. We know that the time he knows something is wrong is at 12:50. He isn't hurt at that point and I don'the think that anyone in the background says "That guy's hurt" either because the dispatcher asks if he needs an ambulance. Brandon says, "No, I need the cops." If he believed someone was hurt at that point, wouldn'the he have said, "Yes, and the cops?" Sometime between 1:10 and 1:18, he calls his brother and says he's 10 minutes up the road and bleeding. The brother likely told him that he was at his truck on that call. Saying you are 10 minutes away from someone who you know has a vehicle, to me, means 'I'm 10 driving mins. away, come get me.' Was he 10 mins. up the road from his truck? And because no one has ever come forward to say that they were with him that night, does that mean that someone decided after he made that 911 call that they couldn't risk leaving him alive? Does the silence at the end of the 911 call mean he lost signal or did someone knock him unconscious and hang up his phone? The latter could explain the next call from him to Kyle about 20-25 mins. later between 1:10 and 1:18, where he says he is bleeding.

    There are a lot of things that bug me about this case, but there is one major thing that bugs me! I don't buy the "staper" word theory about it being a combination of state and trooper! I know people are saying that "staper" is a word used to refer to troopers, but I wonder if anyone has asked his girlfriend if this is a word that he commonly used. If he said it on the call, then it's likely something he has referred to state police as in the past. Another theory: Looking at the map, there are lots of... state parks. State park.....stay park.....staypar. "I'm in the middle of a field at staypar....." maybe??? The sentence "....got chased into the woods" might make more sense in certain places within a state park also. I also thought maybe "state car." There are tons of people who are in governmental positions and drive cars with state license plates that he could've seen. He may not have known what the job that person held was, but saw the plate.

    However, every time I think I have something figured out, I listen again and the inflection of his voice makes it not sound right. It's sooooooo frustrating! I think I will spend my life studying this call!

  • The One-Man Swarm

    The One-Man Swarm

    The thing that sticks with me after 48 hours of obsessing is the dispatcher's lack of action AFTER the call. Granted, Brandon never identified himself (or a clear location), but don't they at least have caller ID? Do phone records indicate even a single attempt to call him back? If I'm that dispatcher, sitting at a desk in an old folks' home at 2am fielding emergency calls in BFE, Texas, isn't this call the most excitement I've had since...I dunno...ever? Why not try calling back after the call cuts out? Or trying to ID the caller by matching the incoming number against some sort of INTERPOL Enemy-of-the-State style cell phone database that I assume exists? Did this woman seriously put the headset down and shrug this whole thing off like "Well I said 'hello' three times. What more can I do?" Don't get me wrong. I'm not blaming the dispatcher for whatever happened to Brandon. But as compelling as that call obviously was to all of us, isn't it hard to believe it didn't strike her similarly? At least enough to pique her curiosity? Or spark some form of follow up?

    The thing that sticks with me after 48 hours of obsessing is the dispatcher's lack of action AFTER the call. Granted, Brandon never identified himself (or a clear location), but don't they at least have caller ID? Do phone records indicate even a single attempt to call him back? If I'm that dispatcher, sitting at a desk in an old folks' home at 2am fielding emergency calls in BFE, Texas, isn't this call the most excitement I've had since...I dunno...ever? Why not try calling back after the call cuts out? Or trying to ID the caller by matching the incoming number against some sort of INTERPOL Enemy-of-the-State style cell phone database that I assume exists? Did this woman seriously put the headset down and shrug this whole thing off like "Well I said 'hello' three times. What more can I do?"

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not blaming the dispatcher for whatever happened to Brandon. But as compelling as that call obviously was to all of us, isn't it hard to believe it didn't strike her similarly? At least enough to pique her curiosity? Or spark some form of follow up?

  • Ray Hoy

    Ray Hoy

    i really think he came across something and he could not be left as a witness to what he seen?

    i really think he came across something and he could not be left as a witness to what he seen?

  • Ray Hoy

    Ray Hoy

    Someone with username Matt Wilson on YouTube came up with this and it sounds dead on: A tone chimes. Operator: “911 emergency.” Brandon: “Yes, I'm in the middle of a field, I think we just pushed some guys over. (We’re out here) going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas, there’s one car here, a guy’s chasing me into the woods. Please hurry!” Operator: “Ok, now run that by me one more…” Brandon: “And we’re not talking to ‘em. I accidentally ran into ‘em.” Operator: “Ah, you ran into ‘em, ok!” Brandon: “Yes, the first guy. [The operator and Brandon speak at the same time, saying]: Brandon: (“I’ve got cuts!) Operator: “Do you need an ambulance? Brandon: “Yes, No! I need the cops! OPERATOR: “Ok… Is anybody hurt? Hello… Hello… Hello. End of recording.

    Someone with username Matt Wilson on YouTube came up with this and it sounds dead on:

    A tone chimes.

    Operator: “911 emergency.”

    Brandon: “Yes, I'm in the middle of a field, I think we just pushed some guys over. (We’re out here) going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas, there’s one car here, a guy’s chasing me into the woods. Please hurry!”

    Operator: “Ok, now run that by me one more…”

    Brandon: “And we’re not talking to ‘em. I accidentally ran into ‘em.”

    Operator: “Ah, you ran into ‘em, ok!”

    Brandon: “Yes, the first guy.

    [The operator and Brandon speak at the same time, saying]:

    Brandon: (“I’ve got cuts!)
    Operator: “Do you need an ambulance?

    Brandon: “Yes, No! I need the cops!

    OPERATOR: “Ok… Is anybody hurt? Hello… Hello… Hello.

    End of recording.

  • Nicole M

    Nicole M

    I've listened to this call so many times, it's maddening!! The first part is garbled in that it could be "field state trooper" but I think it might be something completely different. For sure I believe someone else is there with him, which adds to the madness. I think the conversation is: B:Everyone I talk to is gone, prolly someone ran into em. 911:ahhh you ran into them Unknown Person: Who cut you? Or who got you? Brandon: (answering the unknown person) just the first guy. Unknown guy: that's fucked up Brandon: (answering unknown guy) Yeah (then answers the 911 dispatcher) No, I need the cops. I don't know what he could have encountered that the trucker who called 911 didn't see or someone else didn't see or hear something. Also what could he have gone through that he is able to message his brother. Why didn't he tell his brother more? Maybe he did but it's all so very sad and very confusing.

    I've listened to this call so many times, it's maddening!!
    The first part is garbled in that it could be "field state trooper" but I think it might be something completely different.
    For sure I believe someone else is there with him, which adds to the madness. I think the conversation is:
    B:Everyone I talk to is gone, prolly someone ran into em.
    911:ahhh you ran into them
    Unknown Person: Who cut you? Or who got you?
    Brandon: (answering the unknown person) just the first guy.

    Unknown guy: that's fucked up
    Brandon: (answering unknown guy) Yeah (then answers the 911 dispatcher) No, I need the cops.

    I don't know what he could have encountered that the trucker who called 911 didn't see or someone else didn't see or hear something. Also what could he have gone through that he is able to message his brother. Why didn't he tell his brother more? Maybe he did but it's all so very sad and very confusing.

  • Sean

    Sean Texas

    ABILENE. Sheesh. Major west Texas city. Hour and a half north of Bronte ("Bron-tay") on highway 277. Driven right through it several times.

    ABILENE. Sheesh. Major west Texas city. Hour and a half north of Bronte ("Bron-tay") on highway 277. Driven right through it several times.

  • Senna

    Senna Toronto

    I keep hearing him say, "Snipers just perching guys over.

    I keep hearing him say, "Snipers just perching guys over.

  • Melissa

    Melissa NJ

    I did a little googling and maybe the word we are hearing at the beginning is Swather. It's a machine that's used for cutting tall grass. Swather just pushing guys over. Also, the three syllables I hear are protect you. Great insight on here from everyone!

    I did a little googling and maybe the word we are hearing at the beginning is Swather. It's a machine that's used for cutting tall grass. Swather just pushing guys over.

    Also, the three syllables I hear are protect you. Great insight on here from everyone!

  • Melissa

    Melissa Idaho

    Why was the 911 call from the long haul trucker never made available?

    Why was the 911 call from the long haul trucker never made available?

  • Cheryl Muscoe

    Cheryl Muscoe San Pedro, CA

    Just finished listening to part 2. I just can't help but think that Brandon stumbled onto a game of "hunt" played by state troopers or people who were driving cars that appeared to look like state troopers, with head lights on the roof of their cars, et cetera... the people whose property they were near by. The only reason why Brandon's car wasn't cleared from the scene by the people who pulled the others over is because his car ran out of gas. Idk, this case is very disturbing and very sad and I can't imagine the heartache and endless worry and grief Brandon's family must be going through. I hope they get closure.

    Just finished listening to part 2. I just can't help but think that Brandon stumbled onto a game of "hunt" played by state troopers or people who were driving cars that appeared to look like state troopers, with head lights on the roof of their cars, et cetera... the people whose property they were near by. The only reason why Brandon's car wasn't cleared from the scene by the people who pulled the others over is because his car ran out of gas. Idk, this case is very disturbing and very sad and I can't imagine the heartache and endless worry and grief Brandon's family must be going through. I hope they get closure.

  • Liezel

    Liezel South Africa

    I wrote down what I thought I heard: Caller: "Yes, I am in the middle of a field there's another guy and .... taken in the woods and ... bridge out here going towards Abilene my truck ran out of gas there was one car here and I talk to the guy and he said the guy talk too he said I ran into him... guy and hunted him. Yeah, no I need the cops I was walking into that one guy and they killed ..." I heard shots in the background. I really don't hear stapler, staler or state trooper. Trucker sounds closer to my hearing.

    I wrote down what I thought I heard:

    Caller: "Yes, I am in the middle of a field
    there's another guy and .... taken in the woods and ... bridge out here going towards Abilene
    my truck ran out of gas there was one car here and I talk to the guy and he said the guy talk too
    he said I ran into him... guy and hunted him. Yeah, no I need the cops
    I was walking into that one guy and they killed ..."

    I heard shots in the background. I really don't hear stapler, staler or state trooper. Trucker sounds closer to my hearing.

  • S.B.

    S.B. California

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9Nr0qdc624 If you listen to this version, he clearly says, "There is one BOY here who was taken/chased into the woods" When it is slowed down, it sounds like he says there, "one CAR here." However, I am inclined to just listen to the full speed tape. I hear, "There is one boy here who was taken into the woods" Am I crazy to hear this? Does anyone else hear this too?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9Nr0qdc624

    If you listen to this version, he clearly says, "There is one BOY here who was taken/chased into the woods"

    When it is slowed down, it sounds like he says there, "one CAR here." However, I am inclined to just listen to the full speed tape.

    I hear, "There is one boy here who was taken into the woods"

    Am I crazy to hear this? Does anyone else hear this too?

  • Dawn C

    Dawn C Bloomington, IL

    I think he is saying "sniper pulled some guy over right here goin towards Abilene on both sides." I think a couple of guys were out hunting boars and decided to play a little "most dangerous game." "On both sides" means one sniper on each side of the road so that no matter which way their victim ran they could easily start the chase.

    I think he is saying "sniper pulled some guy over right here goin towards Abilene on both sides." I think a couple of guys were out hunting boars and decided to play a little "most dangerous game." "On both sides" means one sniper on each side of the road so that no matter which way their victim ran they could easily start the chase.

  • Summer

    Summer Parts Unknown

    Hey Nic & Captain! I was going to give my take, but seems like I'd just be agreeing with what others above are saying (mentioning Abilene, possibly a street name for the other unidentified, and a few others). So, instead of repeating this stuff again, I'm just going to say a HUGE thank you to the Captain for his audio skills. We like your jib!

    Hey Nic & Captain! I was going to give my take, but seems like I'd just be agreeing with what others above are saying (mentioning Abilene, possibly a street name for the other unidentified, and a few others). So, instead of repeating this stuff again, I'm just going to say a HUGE thank you to the Captain for his audio skills. We like your jib!

  • Paul to tha Bean

    Paul to tha Bean Dallas, ga

    I come from a family of "mountin foke" and to me he has made a contraction out of "state trooper"

    I come from a family of "mountin foke" and to me he has made a contraction out of "state trooper"

  • Brenda

    Brenda Peru Indiana

    Love you guys!! "I'm in the middle of a field right now" ..."these guys just tried to run me over" " there's 1 gal here" or "there's 1 car here" " I tried talking to him..." " I tried to tell him I didn't know him" "I/he got/shot the first guy" "Please hurry" At the end you do hear what could be a gunshot.... and then I believe as the dispatcher is saying "hello" you hear moaning and then "I'm shot" ..."please help me" -faint whispers Other possible phrases I thought he might have said...motorcycles or psycho ....also it seems like other voices are heard in the background. Why didn't he run towards the state troopers if there were any??...he ran thru the woods landed in a field (I assume open) where he could be easily spotted by any car chasing him...sad.

    Love you guys!!
    "I'm in the middle of a field right now"
    ..."these guys just tried to run me over"
    " there's 1 gal here" or "there's 1 car here"
    " I tried talking to him..."
    " I tried to tell him I didn't know him"
    "I/he got/shot the first guy"
    "Please hurry"

    At the end you do hear what could be a gunshot.... and then I believe as the dispatcher is saying "hello" you hear moaning and then "I'm shot" ..."please help me" -faint whispers

    Other possible phrases I thought he might have said...motorcycles or psycho ....also it seems like other voices are heard in the background.
    Why didn't he run towards the state troopers if there were any??...he ran thru the woods landed in a field (I assume open) where he could be easily spotted by any car chasing him...sad.

  • Brenda

    Brenda Peru Indiana

    Just because the 911 operator says "oh so you ran into them" does not mean that is what he is saying....he didn't respond with a "yes" he was distracted and I don't believe that is what he said.

    Just because the 911 operator says "oh so you ran into them" does not mean that is what he is saying....he didn't respond with a "yes" he was distracted and I don't believe that is what he said.

  • Leah

    Leah Baltimore

    When Nick thinks Brandon says "not talking to him" or something to that effect, I thought Brandon said "Im talking to 'em". Perhaps in response to someone else. Like if someone asked "did you call the police?" "Im talking to em"

    When Nick thinks Brandon says "not talking to him" or something to that effect, I thought Brandon said "Im talking to 'em". Perhaps in response to someone else. Like if someone asked "did you call the police?" "Im talking to em"

  • Kirsten

    Kirsten TX

    I heard "I'm out here in the middle of a field. A sniper keeps pushing guys over. Out here heading towards Abiline on both sides....."

    I heard "I'm out here in the middle of a field. A sniper keeps pushing guys over. Out here heading towards Abiline on both sides....."

  • Jennifer

    Jennifer Camby

    Thinking about this more I feel like this will be a case that might not ever get solved. I don't know if wild hogs eat dead bodies...but if they do and Brandon was killed out in the field, chances of his body being found in tact is probably slim to none...if someone was involved in his disappearance/death, it'll probably be a deathbed confession. If it was drugs/mental break, might not ever know.

    Thinking about this more I feel like this will be a case that might not ever get solved. I don't know if wild hogs eat dead bodies...but if they do and Brandon was killed out in the field, chances of his body being found in tact is probably slim to none...if someone was involved in his disappearance/death, it'll probably be a deathbed confession. If it was drugs/mental break, might not ever know.

  • Eric

    Eric Salt Lake City

    Operator: 911 emergency Brandon: Yes. I am in the middle of a field. A state-per just pushed some guys over .. on both sides heading towards Abilene. My truck ran out of gas. There is one car here and it got taken into the woods. Please hurry Oper: Okay now run that by me again? B: When I was talking to him, he tried telling me I ran into him Oper: Ah you ran into him. Okay. B: He shot the first guy. Oper: Do you need an ambulance? (as operator asks this Brandon says something but her voice blocks out what he is saying) B: No I need the cops Oper: Okay ........ Is anybody hurt? ** I hear the one "unaudible" line clear as day. After the 911 operator asks him to run it by her again. Brandon says "When I was talking to him, he tried telling me I ran into him".

    Operator: 911 emergency

    Brandon: Yes. I am in the middle of a field. A state-per just pushed some guys over .. on both sides heading towards Abilene. My truck ran out of gas. There is one car here and it got taken into the woods. Please hurry

    Oper: Okay now run that by me again?

    B: When I was talking to him, he tried telling me I ran into him

    Oper: Ah you ran into him. Okay.

    B: He shot the first guy.

    Oper: Do you need an ambulance?
    (as operator asks this Brandon says something but her voice blocks out what he is saying)

    B: No I need the cops

    Oper: Okay ........ Is anybody hurt?

    ** I hear the one "unaudible" line clear as day. After the 911 operator asks him to run it by her again. Brandon says "When I was talking to him, he tried telling me I ran into him".

  • Beth

    Beth Iowa

    Staper= state strooper

    Staper= state strooper

  • Buckeye

    Buckeye Powell, OH

    Phenomenal work, guys. I've been listening since the beginning of the podcast and IMO this is the best one you've put out. (along with the Amy Mihalevic and Brian Shaffer episodes) It's definitely maddening that we can all listen to the same thing and come to different conclusions as to what exactly he's saying. For example, I was 100000% sure he said "accidentally ran into them." Obviously, others can hear that and be 10000% sure he's saying "totally." Either way, the major mystery here isn't what he's saying- we can say with relative certainty what all but a few of his words are- it's why he hasn't been seen since he said it. Similar to the Shaffer case, the big question isn't how he left the bar unseen- it's why he hasn't been seen since, either. Granted, knowing the answers to the first questions could absolutely shed light on those answers.

    Phenomenal work, guys. I've been listening since the beginning of the podcast and IMO this is the best one you've put out. (along with the Amy Mihalevic and Brian Shaffer episodes)

    It's definitely maddening that we can all listen to the same thing and come to different conclusions as to what exactly he's saying. For example, I was 100000% sure he said "accidentally ran into them." Obviously, others can hear that and be 10000% sure he's saying "totally."

    Either way, the major mystery here isn't what he's saying- we can say with relative certainty what all but a few of his words are- it's why he hasn't been seen since he said it. Similar to the Shaffer case, the big question isn't how he left the bar unseen- it's why he hasn't been seen since, either. Granted, knowing the answers to the first questions could absolutely shed light on those answers.

  • John L

    John L Texas

    911 emergency Yes, I'm in the middle of a field Escaped, or just pushed, some guys over Right here goin' towards Abilene on both sides My truck ran outta gas There's one car here Guys chasin' me into the woods Please hurry Ok, now, run that by me one m- I just went up talkin' to 'em I accidentally ran into 'em Ah, you ran into 'em, okay Just the first guy Do you need an ambulance? Yea--no I need the cops Ok. Is anybody hurt? (Bang) (Bang) Hello? Hello? Hello?

    911 emergency

    Yes, I'm in the middle of a field
    Escaped, or just pushed, some guys over
    Right here goin' towards Abilene on both sides
    My truck ran outta gas
    There's one car here
    Guys chasin' me into the woods
    Please hurry

    Ok, now, run that by me one m-

    I just went up talkin' to 'em
    I accidentally ran into 'em

    Ah, you ran into 'em, okay

    Just the first guy

    Do you need an ambulance?

    Yea--no I need the cops

    Ok. Is anybody hurt?

    (Bang) (Bang)

    Hello?
    Hello?
    Hello?

  • Jess

    Jess Paris, France

    I'm not from the US so I'm not sure if anyone would say this but I feel like the "staper" part could be State Patrol although I have no idea if state police ever get referred to as that.

    I'm not from the US so I'm not sure if anyone would say this but I feel like the "staper" part could be State Patrol although I have no idea if state police ever get referred to as that.

  • Kristin

    Kristin New Orleans

    My guess is that he was trying to say, "the state police just pulled me over"... (or some variation) but had a head injury. Head injuries often cause slurred speech that mimics drunk speech. -a hospital employee.

    My guess is that he was trying to say, "the state police just pulled me over"... (or some variation) but had a head injury. Head injuries often cause slurred speech that mimics drunk speech. -a hospital employee.

  • Jenelle

    Jenelle Nor-Cal

    Super tough call on this one and unfortunately I read a few of the comments before I started notating which might have skewed by perceptions but I feel like my thoughts were the same throughout. Here is what I think I heard: "Yes I'm in the middle of a field ________ poaching guys over, out here going towards Abilene on both sides, my truck ran out of gas, there is one guy here chasin through the woods, please hurry, ________ I totally ran into em, just the first guy, no I need the cops." Missing pieces are not just one word in some cases whole phrases and none of what I hear makes sense.

    Super tough call on this one and unfortunately I read a few of the comments before I started notating which might have skewed by perceptions but I feel like my thoughts were the same throughout. Here is what I think I heard:

    "Yes I'm in the middle of a field ________ poaching guys over, out here going towards Abilene on both sides, my truck ran out of gas, there is one guy here chasin through the woods, please hurry, ________ I totally ran into em, just the first guy, no I need the cops."

    Missing pieces are not just one word in some cases whole phrases and none of what I hear makes sense.

  • Heather

    Heather Illinois

    Just a thought here, but could the possible third voice and other unexplained noises heard on portions of the audio be from the background of the dispatcher? Since this dispatcher was a nurse at the nursing home and it was such a late hour the call was likely picked up at the nurses' station. Now having worked in a nursing home at one time and being a nurse I can attest that most nurses' stations can be noisy and even residents (patients) can be noisy at that hour due to sundowners. Maybe one of the dispatcher's colleagues said something to her or someone else in the background and that is the third muffled voice, or possibly that of a resident?

    Just a thought here, but could the possible third voice and other unexplained noises heard on portions of the audio be from the background of the dispatcher? Since this dispatcher was a nurse at the nursing home and it was such a late hour the call was likely picked up at the nurses' station. Now having worked in a nursing home at one time and being a nurse I can attest that most nurses' stations can be noisy and even residents (patients) can be noisy at that hour due to sundowners. Maybe one of the dispatcher's colleagues said something to her or someone else in the background and that is the third muffled voice, or possibly that of a resident?

  • Mocity

    Mocity Houston, Tx

    "out here, goin' towards Abiline, on both sides"

    "out here, goin' towards Abiline, on both sides"

  • Rich

    Rich St. Louis

    Was it ever determined that Brandon's truck was actually out of gas? That part makes no sense to me. If he was driving to his father's house an hour or two hours away, or just randomly driving to blow off steam in the middle of no where for a couple of hours, how could he have run out of gas? Why would he not notice he was getting low at any point and stop or think "I'd better turn around and fuel up." I think this lends weight to the theory that he was under the influence of something. It makes no sense given where he lives that he would run out of gas.

    Was it ever determined that Brandon's truck was actually out of gas? That part makes no sense to me. If he was driving to his father's house an hour or two hours away, or just randomly driving to blow off steam in the middle of no where for a couple of hours, how could he have run out of gas? Why would he not notice he was getting low at any point and stop or think "I'd better turn around and fuel up." I think this lends weight to the theory that he was under the influence of something. It makes no sense given where he lives that he would run out of gas.

  • Sarah56

    Sarah56

    I am from Texas and travel all over the state for work. No one in TX calls state highway patrol officers "state troopers" or "staper." We call them DPS. With that said however, I work near the main DPS office and noticed that it does say "state trooper" on both sides of their cars on the hood in very discernible lettering, so that might be all he saw on the car in the pitch black night. It could have been a slip of tongue-like when you start to say something, but finish it with something else. So possibly he was reading "state trooper" off the car, but it came out "state - per." I agree with the other commenters who called out that hwy 277 is called State St, and if he was by the Colorado River, it could have been "State Bridge...pushin guys over." That would make sense since it is a 2 lane hwy, and there are 2 sides to the bridge (both sides). Lastly, you talked about Waxahachie at the beginning of the show and your love of saying it. It is pronounced woks-uh-hachie here. Not like wax. Love the show, and even the Captain too. Haters can suck it.

    I am from Texas and travel all over the state for work. No one in TX calls state highway patrol officers "state troopers" or "staper." We call them DPS. With that said however, I work near the main DPS office and noticed that it does say "state trooper" on both sides of their cars on the hood in very discernible lettering, so that might be all he saw on the car in the pitch black night. It could have been a slip of tongue-like when you start to say something, but finish it with something else. So possibly he was reading "state trooper" off the car, but it came out "state - per."

    I agree with the other commenters who called out that hwy 277 is called State St, and if he was by the Colorado River, it could have been "State Bridge...pushin guys over." That would make sense since it is a 2 lane hwy, and there are 2 sides to the bridge (both sides).

    Lastly, you talked about Waxahachie at the beginning of the show and your love of saying it. It is pronounced woks-uh-hachie here. Not like wax.

    Love the show, and even the Captain too. Haters can suck it.

  • Liam

    Liam Ontario

    Hey guys love the show, Now what I found interesting is that the 911 operator never asked who the people were that were in the altercation, yet when Brandon states: "I accidentally ran into them" the 911 operator says: "Ohh you ran into them" In a manner that sounds as if she knows exactly who he is talking about. Now is this proof that something is edited out, or just the operator trying to make Brandon think that she understands so he calms down a little, I don't know. It's just the way she says it that captivates me. Would be interesting to hear what she had to say about the call. Anyways keep it up guys! Best podcast around

    Hey guys love the show,
    Now what I found interesting is that the 911 operator never asked who the people were that were in the altercation, yet when Brandon states:
    "I accidentally ran into them"
    the 911 operator says:
    "Ohh you ran into them"
    In a manner that sounds as if she knows exactly who he is talking about. Now is this proof that something is edited out, or just the operator trying to make Brandon think that she understands so he calms down a little, I don't know. It's just the way she says it that captivates me. Would be interesting to hear what she had to say about the call.
    Anyways keep it up guys! Best podcast around

  • Derek

    Derek Maine

    Hey guys. Question. Do we know the exact spot where he made the call from, and has it been searched for evidence (maybe shell casings?) If not, it could be very significant that he talked about someone being chased into the "woods." I'm originally from West Texas, and there are vast stretches of it where God never saw fit to put a tree for a hundred miles in any direction. I've not been to Abilene specifically, but I imagine it's much the same. So is there a likely spot near to where his truck was found going in the direction of Abilene along hwy 277 where there are enough trees in one place to be called a "woods" (and close enough to the highway to run to)? Admittedly, people in W Texas might call anything with more than three trees a "woods," but still....

    Hey guys. Question. Do we know the exact spot where he made the call from, and has it been searched for evidence (maybe shell casings?) If not, it could be very significant that he talked about someone being chased into the "woods." I'm originally from West Texas, and there are vast stretches of it where God never saw fit to put a tree for a hundred miles in any direction. I've not been to Abilene specifically, but I imagine it's much the same. So is there a likely spot near to where his truck was found going in the direction of Abilene along hwy 277 where there are enough trees in one place to be called a "woods" (and close enough to the highway to run to)? Admittedly, people in W Texas might call anything with more than three trees a "woods," but still....

  • John V

    John V CT

    I hear the guy in the background clearly say "protection", not "confession" as the guys discuss.

    I hear the guy in the background clearly say "protection", not "confession" as the guys discuss.

  • John V

    John V CT

    When they come back from the break at the 27 minute mark and play the clip-- The guy in the background is clearly saying "PROTECTION"!

    When they come back from the break at the 27 minute mark and play the clip-- The guy in the background is clearly saying "PROTECTION"!

  • KKB

    KKB Oklahoma

    The Texans and other southerners on here probably have it right, since their ears are tuned to these patterns of speech. Brandon was overweight, out of shape, running, out of breath, and not highly educated, so his words being so garbled sounding makes complete sense to me. I also wondered if maybe there wasn't something wrong with his mouth - he sounds like he's talking with a fat lip. Maybe he got punched?

    The Texans and other southerners on here probably have it right, since their ears are tuned to these patterns of speech. Brandon was overweight, out of shape, running, out of breath, and not highly educated, so his words being so garbled sounding makes complete sense to me. I also wondered if maybe there wasn't something wrong with his mouth - he sounds like he's talking with a fat lip. Maybe he got punched?

  • Anna

    Anna Austin TX

    "I'm in the middle of a field, some "staper?" Just pulled/threw some guys over right here going towards Abilene in both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There's one car here, that guy chased him into the woods. Please hurry." "Now I wasn't talking to him, I accidentally ran into em" "No just the first guy" "that guys hurt" "no I need the cops" He is def saying "Abilene". 277 runs straight into Abilene......I don't know what he means by "right here going towards Abilene ON BOTH SIDES".....did other people run/get chased into the fields on both sides of 277?? When he says "going towards", he is giving a direction, as in, he is headed in the direction of Abilene, not back towards Bronte.....that's my two cents! Love the show, and yo jibs! PS-this is my "pet case". We lived in the area when it happened and it's driven me crazy ever since!

    "I'm in the middle of a field, some "staper?" Just pulled/threw some guys over right here going towards Abilene in both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There's one car here, that guy chased him into the woods. Please hurry." "Now I wasn't talking to him, I accidentally ran into em" "No just the first guy" "that guys hurt" "no I need the cops"

    He is def saying "Abilene". 277 runs straight into Abilene......I don't know what he means by "right here going towards Abilene ON BOTH SIDES".....did other people run/get chased into the fields on both sides of 277?? When he says "going towards", he is giving a direction, as in, he is headed in the direction of Abilene, not back towards Bronte.....that's my two cents! Love the show, and yo jibs! PS-this is my "pet case". We lived in the area when it happened and it's driven me crazy ever since!

  • Andrea

    Andrea Dallas, Tx

    I'm pretty positive that he is saying he is "in a field - it's safer" and the guys were chasing him into the field. He's definitely saying that they were on the highway headed toward Abilene, and he's saying they were "on both sides", which tells me that they were probably driving next to each other going in the same direction, even though it was likely a 2-lane highway, and this may have been a case of road rage. To me, this interpretation is pretty clear (because I speak rural Texan. I grew up in East Texas where people talk like this.). It definitely sounds like he's suggesting that he was riding alongside another vehicle and maybe pushed them off the road. I don't know if it's because he ran out of gas or what the case may be, but clearly someone chased him into a field (or into the woods, like he says in the call), and something terrible has happened to the poor guy, since he's never been found.

    I'm pretty positive that he is saying he is "in a field - it's safer" and the guys were chasing him into the field. He's definitely saying that they were on the highway headed toward Abilene, and he's saying they were "on both sides", which tells me that they were probably driving next to each other going in the same direction, even though it was likely a 2-lane highway, and this may have been a case of road rage. To me, this interpretation is pretty clear (because I speak rural Texan. I grew up in East Texas where people talk like this.). It definitely sounds like he's suggesting that he was riding alongside another vehicle and maybe pushed them off the road. I don't know if it's because he ran out of gas or what the case may be, but clearly someone chased him into a field (or into the woods, like he says in the call), and something terrible has happened to the poor guy, since he's never been found.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Derek - unfortunately we do not know where he was calling from. Presumably it would have been near his truck or within a mile or two of, but no one knows for sure. Thanks, Nic

    Derek - unfortunately we do not know where he was calling from. Presumably it would have been near his truck or within a mile or two of, but no one knows for sure.
    Thanks,
    Nic

  • Leah

    Leah Baltimore

    I'm wondering if they ever investigated whether a state trooper pulled anyone over within walking/running distance of his vechile?

    I'm wondering if they ever investigated whether a state trooper pulled anyone over within walking/running distance of his vechile?

  • Amber

    Amber Montgomery, Texas

    He is definitely saying Abilene*

    He is definitely saying Abilene*

  • Cindy M

    Cindy M Texas

    I believe he is saying ' towards Abilene, on Bronte side', meaning heading to Abilene as you would go from Bronte. And the sounds that have been described as gunshots really sound like a semi-truck going over the seams on a bridge overpass. That location should be fairly easy to zero in on, especially if an overpass is anywhere near the same spot his vehicle was found. He stumbled up on something bad. The question remains, for me at least, why he would have called 911, asking for a cop, and then texted rather than make contact with that cop (and his own brother). That part is weird. His accent is heavy West Texas, for sure, and he is stressed, for sure.

    I believe he is saying ' towards Abilene, on Bronte side', meaning heading to Abilene as you would go from Bronte. And the sounds that have been described as gunshots really sound like a semi-truck going over the seams on a bridge overpass. That location should be fairly easy to zero in on, especially if an overpass is anywhere near the same spot his vehicle was found. He stumbled up on something bad. The question remains, for me at least, why he would have called 911, asking for a cop, and then texted rather than make contact with that cop (and his own brother). That part is weird. His accent is heavy West Texas, for sure, and he is stressed, for sure.

  • Liana

    Liana Maine

    I think he is saying "State bridge" vs staper. I also tend to lean towards a road rage type scenario. The way his car was angled dangerously on the side of the road could be because he was run off the road (and was running out of gas prior?) I definitely think he came across something dangerous that night, vs. anything drug induced. Based on his phone call he seems out of breath and scared, not under the influence. Just my opinion. I hope there will be some answers someday soon!

    I think he is saying "State bridge" vs staper. I also tend to lean towards a road rage type scenario. The way his car was angled dangerously on the side of the road could be because he was run off the road (and was running out of gas prior?) I definitely think he came across something dangerous that night, vs. anything drug induced. Based on his phone call he seems out of breath and scared, not under the influence. Just my opinion. I hope there will be some answers someday soon!

  • Kal-El

    Kal-El N.C.

    I've only heard the first part so far but, it sounds like state trooper but, if he's in the middle of a field, how could the cop say he turned his hazzards on because his truck was sideways sticking out in the road? And wouldn't he look for him after finding the truck?

    I've only heard the first part so far but, it sounds like state trooper but, if he's in the middle of a field, how could the cop say he turned his hazzards on because his truck was sideways sticking out in the road? And wouldn't he look for him after finding the truck?

  • John V

    John V CT

    If it was a state trooper, wouldn't there be a log of all traffic stops listing the trooper involved? Unless it was a rogue trooper involved in illegal activity that he didn't want any witness to? Is that why Brandon went missing?

    If it was a state trooper, wouldn't there be a log of all traffic stops listing the trooper involved? Unless it was a rogue trooper involved in illegal activity that he didn't want any witness to? Is that why Brandon went missing?

  • R.Pola

    R.Pola Maine

    Could he have been saying instead of "there's one car here"....."there's gunfire here".

    Could he have been saying instead of "there's one car here"....."there's gunfire here".

  • Erika

    Erika Colorado

    Here's what I hear: Yes I'm in the middle of a field. _A (I really hear sniper but can also hear state trooper)__ pushed (or pulled) some guys over. Right here going toward _abeline?gaberdin?gavelin?__ on both sides. My truck ran out of gas there's one car here- just got chased ( or takes him) into the woods (or check the woods). Hurry up. I talked to Joe (or I did talk to Joe. Maybe ya'll- to me it seems like he is talking to someone else not the operator). I ran into them (I'm thinking he meant it in the coincidentally way not the hit with a vehicle way to prove that he was not involved). Just the first guy (thinking maybe he lost them but sees the first guy again). Do you need an ambulance? Yeah (I think DEFINITELY said by someone else). No I need the cops. I think he ran into something he should not have seen (drug deal, etc.) walking to get gas or waiting for his brother (he said he was about 10 minutes up the road) and was killed. To me it seems like if the police were involved (if he was saying state trooper) then it's really weird that his body (or he) has not been found. What do you guys think!?!? This one has really got me obsessed

    Here's what I hear:
    Yes I'm in the middle of a field. _A (I really hear sniper but can also hear state trooper)__ pushed (or pulled) some guys over. Right here going toward _abeline?gaberdin?gavelin?__ on both sides. My truck ran out of gas there's one car here- just got chased ( or takes him) into the woods (or check the woods). Hurry up. I talked to Joe (or I did talk to Joe. Maybe ya'll- to me it seems like he is talking to someone else not the operator). I ran into them (I'm thinking he meant it in the coincidentally way not the hit with a vehicle way to prove that he was not involved). Just the first guy (thinking maybe he lost them but sees the first guy again). Do you need an ambulance? Yeah (I think DEFINITELY said by someone else). No I need the cops.

    I think he ran into something he should not have seen (drug deal, etc.) walking to get gas or waiting for his brother (he said he was about 10 minutes up the road) and was killed. To me it seems like if the police were involved (if he was saying state trooper) then it's really weird that his body (or he) has not been found. What do you guys think!?!? This one has really got me obsessed

  • Amber

    Amber Coronado, California

    I definitely heard him say, there is one car here and he was chased into the woods.

    I definitely heard him say, there is one car here and he was chased into the woods.

  • KJ

    KJ Atlanta

    Who disconnected the 911 call? Operator or caller? What does his girlfriend think he's saying/referring to?

    Who disconnected the 911 call? Operator or caller? What does his girlfriend think he's saying/referring to?

  • Joshua M

    Joshua M Kansas

    I love the show but I've got to say, I've never been more frustrated with a show. I didn't hear anything close to what the guys heard. There was so much speculation based on erred interpretation of the 911 audio. Here's what I heard in the audio, then how I interpret it into the narrative. 911: "911 emergency..." Brandon: "Yes, I'm in the middle of a field. A [state trooper] just [pulled] some guys over. We're out here goin' towards Abeline on both sides. My truck ran outta gas. There's one car here, you(r) guys chased em into the woods. Please hurry..." 911: "Okay, now run that by me one more..." Brandon: "...there's one guy talking to em. I totally ran into him." 911: "Ohh, you ran into em, okay...[unintelligible background chatter from dispatch side] Brandon: "You got the first guy..." 911: "Do you need an ambulance?" Brandon: "yeh...No, I need the cops." 911: "Okay...[pause]...is anybody hurt? Hello? Hello?" [end of audio] What I've inferred: Brandon was walking to get gas. Either along the side of the highway or in the ditch. Perhaps he saw the lights of a trooper who'd pulled (or was pulling) someone over. Fearing that he'd get in trouble for his warrant, he runs into a field to avoid a situation. Now this is where it becomes wrong place/wrong time. After the trooper pulls the vehicle over, the occupants of the vehicle (more than one person) make a run for it. ("You guys chased em into the woods"). He says please hurry because he knows the cop(s) on the scene (just one patrol car) needs assistance. The police apperently still have one person at the scene of the vehicle (There's one guy talking to him.) Brandon now switches to describing how one he literally ran into one of the people fleeing from the police when he says, "I totally ran into him." Meaning, in the dark of the field, as this guy is fleeing, he collides with Brandon. Apperently the police have someone apprehended when Brandon says: "You got the first guy." Presumably the first one who tried to run and didn't get away. When he says "you" he's simply referencing law enforcement. Ostensibly, he's talking to law enforcement so he puts them in the same category. The dispatcher mistakes "totally ran into him" to mean "totally ran into their vehicle with my vehicle." Thinking there was an accident, she asks if he needs an ambulance. He misspeaks and starts to say yeah but corrects himself and says, "No, I need the cops." I believe the "other voice" that is heard after the dispatcher says "you ran into em, okay." is merely the compression picking up another voice of someone talking in the background of dispatch center. I don't know what happened to Brandon, but I don't think his demise was a direct result of the events in this call.

    I love the show but I've got to say, I've never been more frustrated with a show. I didn't hear anything close to what the guys heard. There was so much speculation based on erred interpretation of the 911 audio. Here's what I heard in the audio, then how I interpret it into the narrative.

    911: "911 emergency..."

    Brandon: "Yes, I'm in the middle of a field. A [state trooper] just [pulled] some guys over. We're out here goin' towards Abeline on both sides. My truck ran outta gas. There's one car here, you(r) guys chased em into the woods. Please hurry..."

    911: "Okay, now run that by me one more..."

    Brandon: "...there's one guy talking to em. I totally ran into him."

    911: "Ohh, you ran into em, okay...[unintelligible background chatter from dispatch side]

    Brandon: "You got the first guy..."

    911: "Do you need an ambulance?"

    Brandon: "yeh...No, I need the cops."

    911: "Okay...[pause]...is anybody hurt? Hello? Hello?"

    [end of audio]

    What I've inferred: Brandon was walking to get gas. Either along the side of the highway or in the ditch. Perhaps he saw the lights of a trooper who'd pulled (or was pulling) someone over. Fearing that he'd get in trouble for his warrant, he runs into a field to avoid a situation. Now this is where it becomes wrong place/wrong time. After the trooper pulls the vehicle over, the occupants of the vehicle (more than one person) make a run for it. ("You guys chased em into the woods"). He says please hurry because he knows the cop(s) on the scene (just one patrol car) needs assistance. The police apperently still have one person at the scene of the vehicle (There's one guy talking to him.) Brandon now switches to describing how one he literally ran into one of the people fleeing from the police when he says, "I totally ran into him." Meaning, in the dark of the field, as this guy is fleeing, he collides with Brandon. Apperently the police have someone apprehended when Brandon says: "You got the first guy." Presumably the first one who tried to run and didn't get away. When he says "you" he's simply referencing law enforcement. Ostensibly, he's talking to law enforcement so he puts them in the same category. The dispatcher mistakes "totally ran into him" to mean "totally ran into their vehicle with my vehicle." Thinking there was an accident, she asks if he needs an ambulance. He misspeaks and starts to say yeah but corrects himself and says, "No, I need the cops." I believe the "other voice" that is heard after the dispatcher says "you ran into em, okay." is merely the compression picking up another voice of someone talking in the background of dispatch center. I don't know what happened to Brandon, but I don't think his demise was a direct result of the events in this call.

  • Cathy

    Cathy FL

    I have 23 years experience as a 911 dispatcher. I hear: Yes, I'm in the middle of a field, a (SKIPER?) just pushed some guys over. Out here goin' towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran outta gas. There's one car here, the guy's chasin' me through the woods. Please hurry. 911: Okay, now...run that by me ag--- There's one guy talkin to 'em. I accidentally ran into 'em --- 911: Ahhh, you ran into em. Okay. They shot the first guy. I'm not talkin to yall. 911: Do you need an ambulance? Yeah. No. I need the cops. 911: Okay. Is anybody hurt? (possibly two gunshots.) Hello? Hello? Some observations: Very very obviously the calltaker was NOT very trained. It's typical of our business that the junior people work midnight shift. You might say that's the least able shift, just because they usually haven't been doing it as long as the rest of us, who can bid for a better shift. I'm not meaning to dog anyone here - I understand they weren't even "real" 911 operators there. But if one of my dispatchers fouled up a call like that there would be consequences. The very, very, very first thing you do - the thing you do BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE - is make sure you know where the location is. "In a field" DOES NOT COUNT. "Goin' toward Abilene" DOES NOT COUNT. "Okay, run that by me again" is vague and should never be used. "WHAT IS YOUR EXACT LOCATION?" Until you know that, you don't continue the interview. You sort that out first. It was evident in her voice she didn't understand him and wasn't exactly sure what to do. And right after he says "No" to her "Do you need an ambulance?" she asks "Is anyone hurt?" (???!!!) Valuable seconds were wasted with dead air and repetitive wrong questions, and very very valuable info was lost as she talked over him. I do not believe she EVER knew that he had been chased. I think she thought it was a fender bender. "Ran into" as bumped them, not as "came across them." Having said that, I also highly doubt it was a State Trooper cover-up. The local Sheriff's Department (and the nursing home where the 911 call was recorded) is probably not going to cover for the Texas Rangers. That's highly unlikely. (I worked for a Sheriff's Dept that successfully investigated and arrested a State Trooper for murder he committed WHILE ON DUTY.) Also: State Troopers are called Texas Rangers in Texas. I'm not from there, but I've never heard of a Ranger being referred to as a State Trooper. Maybe a Texan can verify? I firmly believe that this guy saw a crime in progress, probably a violent one, and tried to flee, only to run out of gas. He fled his truck and was obviously killed in that field. "Pushed them over" --- off the bridge? Is there a way we can silence the 911 voice when she says "Ahhh, you ran into em" so that we can hear what this poor guy is saying at that point? Again, I'm not trying to dog the 911 operator, but no one is harder on us than ourselves. When lives are at stake, you MUST know your job backwards and forwards. I'd be interested in her report of what she thought she heard.

    I have 23 years experience as a 911 dispatcher.
    I hear:
    Yes, I'm in the middle of a field, a (SKIPER?) just pushed some guys over. Out here goin' towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran outta gas. There's one car here, the guy's chasin' me through the woods. Please hurry.
    911: Okay, now...run that by me ag---
    There's one guy talkin to 'em. I accidentally ran into 'em ---
    911: Ahhh, you ran into em. Okay.
    They shot the first guy. I'm not talkin to yall.
    911: Do you need an ambulance?
    Yeah. No. I need the cops.
    911: Okay. Is anybody hurt?
    (possibly two gunshots.)
    Hello? Hello?

    Some observations: Very very obviously the calltaker was NOT very trained. It's typical of our business that the junior people work midnight shift. You might say that's the least able shift, just because they usually haven't been doing it as long as the rest of us, who can bid for a better shift.
    I'm not meaning to dog anyone here - I understand they weren't even "real" 911 operators there. But if one of my dispatchers fouled up a call like that there would be consequences.
    The very, very, very first thing you do - the thing you do BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE - is make sure you know where the location is.
    "In a field" DOES NOT COUNT.
    "Goin' toward Abilene" DOES NOT COUNT.
    "Okay, run that by me again" is vague and should never be used.
    "WHAT IS YOUR EXACT LOCATION?"
    Until you know that, you don't continue the interview. You sort that out first.
    It was evident in her voice she didn't understand him and wasn't exactly sure what to do. And right after he says "No" to her "Do you need an ambulance?" she asks "Is anyone hurt?" (???!!!)
    Valuable seconds were wasted with dead air and repetitive wrong questions, and very very valuable info was lost as she talked over him.
    I do not believe she EVER knew that he had been chased.
    I think she thought it was a fender bender. "Ran into" as bumped them, not as "came across them."
    Having said that, I also highly doubt it was a State Trooper cover-up.
    The local Sheriff's Department (and the nursing home where the 911 call was recorded) is probably not going to cover for the Texas Rangers. That's highly unlikely. (I worked for a Sheriff's Dept that successfully investigated and arrested a State Trooper for murder he committed WHILE ON DUTY.)
    Also: State Troopers are called Texas Rangers in Texas. I'm not from there, but I've never heard of a Ranger being referred to as a State Trooper. Maybe a Texan can verify?
    I firmly believe that this guy saw a crime in progress, probably a violent one, and tried to flee, only to run out of gas. He fled his truck and was obviously killed in that field.
    "Pushed them over" --- off the bridge?
    Is there a way we can silence the 911 voice when she says "Ahhh, you ran into em" so that we can hear what this poor guy is saying at that point?

    Again, I'm not trying to dog the 911 operator, but no one is harder on us than ourselves.
    When lives are at stake, you MUST know your job backwards and forwards.

    I'd be interested in her report of what she thought she heard.

  • Cathy

    Cathy FL

    Ohhhh. THIS is what I think he's saying now: "THESE GUYS were just pushing people over..." Not "skiper."

    Ohhhh.
    THIS is what I think he's saying now:
    "THESE GUYS were just pushing people over..."
    Not "skiper."

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  • Jenny

    Jenny Philly

    I don't believe they call State Troopers State Troopers in Texas. I believe they refer to them as Rangers or TDPS but I;m not from Texas so I am not 100% certain. I did read somewhere the the Texas Game Warden has State Trooper on the back of their vehicle and Game Warden on the side door. Not sure if that means anything but maybe it was a game warden that he saw while waiting in the woods for his brother to came with the gas. Anyway here is what I got from the call it's not much different from everyone else but....here is my take: 911: 911 emergency Brandon: Yes, I'm in the middle of a field. A (state trooper) or (sniper?) just [pulled] some guys over. We're right here going towards Abeline on the Bront side. My truck ran outta gas. There's one fella here, you gotta check the woods. Please hurry. 911: Okay, now run that by me one more time Brandon: Yeah I'm talkin' to 'em. Ugh I totally ran into 'em. 911: Oh, you ran into em, okay. Brandon: He just shot the first guy 911: Do you need an ambulance? Brandon: heavy breathing or sigh No I need the cops So that's what I hear. I hope this family has some resolution to this. I can only imagine the pain of having no idea where your loved one is or what fate they met.

    I don't believe they call State Troopers State Troopers in Texas. I believe they refer to them as Rangers or TDPS but I;m not from Texas so I am not 100% certain. I did read somewhere the the Texas Game Warden has State Trooper on the back of their vehicle and Game Warden on the side door. Not sure if that means anything but maybe it was a game warden that he saw while waiting in the woods for his brother to came with the gas. Anyway here is what I got from the call it's not much different from everyone else but....here is my take:
    911: 911 emergency

    Brandon: Yes, I'm in the middle of a field. A (state trooper) or (sniper?) just [pulled] some guys over. We're right here going towards Abeline on the Bront side. My truck ran outta gas. There's one fella here, you gotta check the woods. Please hurry.

    911: Okay, now run that by me one more time

    Brandon: Yeah I'm talkin' to 'em. Ugh I totally ran into 'em.
    911: Oh, you ran into em, okay.

    Brandon: He just shot the first guy

    911: Do you need an ambulance?

    Brandon: heavy breathing or sigh No I need the cops

    So that's what I hear. I hope this family has some resolution to this. I can only imagine the pain of having no idea where your loved one is or what fate they met.

  • Cathy

    Cathy FL

    My friend from TX corrected me - they say "State Police." The Rangers are TBI.

    My friend from TX corrected me - they say "State Police."
    The Rangers are TBI.

  • John V

    John V CT

    Cathy, I agree. To me it sounded like "these guys" more than "skiper". The "th" sound in "these" is hard to hear, so most people think the "s" sound is the start of the word. Then what most people hear as the "k" sound of skiper sounds to me like the "g" sound of "guys".

    Cathy, I agree. To me it sounded like "these guys" more than "skiper". The "th" sound in "these" is hard to hear, so most people think the "s" sound is the start of the word. Then what most people hear as the "k" sound of skiper sounds to me like the "g" sound of "guys".

  • Brad

    Brad Ontario Canada

    The first line I hear is "Yes, I'm in the middle of a field. A TANKER (as in a transport truck) just pushed some guys over We're right here goin towards Abilene on both sides My truck just ran out of gas There is one car here, got chased into the woods Please hurry"

    The first line I hear is
    "Yes, I'm in the middle of a field.
    A TANKER (as in a transport truck) just pushed some guys over
    We're right here goin towards Abilene on both sides
    My truck just ran out of gas
    There is one car here, got chased into the woods
    Please hurry"

  • BT

    BT Texas

    When the dispatcher says "Do you need an ambulance?" I am NOT hearing "that guy's hurt". What I am clearly hearing is: "Shots fired." I don't particularly believe a law enforcement conspiracy theory but that is clear as day to me in the background. Another man's voice saying "shots fired".

    When the dispatcher says "Do you need an ambulance?" I am NOT hearing "that guy's hurt".

    What I am clearly hearing is: "Shots fired."

    I don't particularly believe a law enforcement conspiracy theory but that is clear as day to me in the background. Another man's voice saying "shots fired".

  • liana

    liana

    Just catching up on this. 2 things I heard very differently to the guys. 1- I think he said 'I tried talkin to him' or 'I got talkin to him' not 'I'm not talking to him.' Maybe explaining how the incident got started... 2- I think he actually runs into the guy as he's trying to hide from him, while on the phone because he says 'ha I totally ran into him' and almost sounds like he's kind of busted and conceding in that moment. He's defeated and he's saying it to her and the guy...She responds asking 'ah you ran into him'... 'just the first guy.' Also, I doubt there was a state trooper chased into the woods because they would know if a State Trooper was chased down that night. It would have been reported at some point.

    Just catching up on this. 2 things I heard very differently to the guys.

    1- I think he said 'I tried talkin to him' or 'I got talkin to him' not 'I'm not talking to him.' Maybe explaining how the incident got started...
    2- I think he actually runs into the guy as he's trying to hide from him, while on the phone because he says 'ha I totally ran into him' and almost sounds like he's kind of busted and conceding in that moment. He's defeated and he's saying it to her and the guy...She responds asking 'ah you ran into him'... 'just the first guy.'

    Also, I doubt there was a state trooper chased into the woods because they would know if a State Trooper was chased down that night. It would have been reported at some point.

  • Big Tony

    Big Tony Abilene

    Cook Country cops are either corrupt or incompetent. Occams razor points to their involvement in either the disappearance or coverup. Also pretty sure no one has mentioned this but that “abilene both ways” phrase to me has always meant Brandon was quickly stating his whereabouts. As in it’s equal way to Abilene from both ways from where he’s at.

    Cook Country cops are either corrupt or incompetent.
    Occams razor points to their involvement in either the disappearance or coverup.

    Also pretty sure no one has mentioned this but that “abilene both ways” phrase to me has always meant Brandon was quickly stating his whereabouts. As in it’s equal way to Abilene from both ways from where he’s at.

  • Leesa

    Leesa Chicago

    Hi, Okay, I am really troubled by this call and this incident. I have been thinking about it for weeks and it still doesn't make sense to me how someone could go missing in this situation. What also doesn't make sense is how he could run into multiple people, with several cars involved it sounds like, and all those people go missing or the events are unreported? What I cannot find answers on is.. did the police ever find this "field"? Was there anything at said field? Was there any car accidents or events in the area? Did other people in the area go missing? Did anything happen worth while in the area that night? So, just bare with me on the below. Brandon: Yes, I'm in the middle of a field. This guy bridges? just pulled some guys over. (I don't hear "stapper" or "state trooper" at all. When he pulled his car over after it ran out of gas on the highway, was it on a bridge by chance or near a bridge??) Brandon: They're out here going towards aberloom? on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There's one car here that got chased into the woods. (Could several cars, maybe driving on each side of the road, be chasing another car and one of the cars chased that car into the woods? - Whether they were several state troopers or normal citizens chasing the one car. It could be several state troopers in a high speed chase or could be regular citizens chasing down another car.  Unless a state trooper went missing or was killed in that area on that day, I wouldn't think the state trooper was the one being chased or the victim.) Brandon: Please, hurry! Dispatcher: Okay, now run that by me one more time. Brandon: And when I talk he'll ... catches his breath ...(I get that sense that he's saying, if he talks a lot, they'll find him and he doesn't want them to find him.) Brandon: I accidentally ran into him. Dispatcher: Ah, you ran into them. Okay. Brandon: Just the first guy. (It definitely says "just"; not "shot" or that's". Which makes sense because previously he said "I ran into him" not "I ran into them" which implies one person, not several. I think there's someone else close to him, but I don't think he's talking to him. He isn't responding to him. His voice is directed towards the dispatcher, not someone else.) Dispatcher: Do you need an ambulance? (I don't hear any gun shots during this phone call and I think Brandon would have said "omg they're shooting someone/shooting at me!" He doesn't bring that up and he still has the opportunity to do so. These "shots" sound like wind, him bumping into things or stepping on things as he runs, noise made by others or cars near to him and so forth.)  I hear a voice in the background saying something like "Are they done yet?", but "done yet" are definitely the last two words I hear. Brandon: Yea--. Heavy breathing. No, I need the cops. Dispatcher: Is anybody hurt? Then hear wind and cars in the distance. (Thing that I cannot wrap my head around is how we don't hear anybody at all. No breathing, no human voices, no screams. My guess is that he put the phone down because someone was close and he didn't want them to hear him.) We can agree that at least one other person got hurt at the very least. Who in that area got hurt, also went missing that night, or died that night? That could help bring in someone answers.  Is there any news of state troopers in that area that night? I dont think state troopers were any part of this. I don't hear state trooper or any variation of that on the call. Is it possible that there was a hit and run, and when the car ran, the car that got hit turned around and went after the car that was running? So, both cars would be going towards the same way on "both sides". Road rage is real. People kill others all the time due to road rage. Its possible that Brandon was walking along the side of the road at the exact wrong time. Maybe the people going after the other car though he was part of the other car or just thought he saw too much after they hurt the other driver. It sounds like a road rage incident gone bad. Or something with drugs. As if, one of the cars was chasing down the other because they owed them money. And still, Brandon was in the wrong area at the wrong time and saw too much.

    Hi,

    Okay, I am really troubled by this call and this incident. I have been thinking about it for weeks and it still doesn't make sense to me how someone could go missing in this situation. What also doesn't make sense is how he could run into multiple people, with several cars involved it sounds like, and all those people go missing or the events are unreported? What I cannot find answers on is.. did the police ever find this "field"? Was there anything at said field? Was there any car accidents or events in the area? Did other people in the area go missing? Did anything happen worth while in the area that night? So, just bare with me on the below.

    Brandon: Yes, I'm in the middle of a field. This guy bridges? just pulled some guys over. (I don't hear "stapper" or "state trooper" at all. When he pulled his car over after it ran out of gas on the highway, was it on a bridge by chance or near a bridge??)

    Brandon: They're out here going towards aberloom? on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There's one car here that got chased into the woods. (Could several cars, maybe driving on each side of the road, be chasing another car and one of the cars chased that car into the woods? - Whether they were several state troopers or normal citizens chasing the one car. It could be several state troopers in a high speed chase or could be regular citizens chasing down another car.  Unless a state trooper went missing or was killed in that area on that day, I wouldn't think the state trooper was the one being chased or the victim.)

    Brandon: Please, hurry!

    Dispatcher: Okay, now run that by me one more time.

    Brandon: And when I talk he'll ... catches his breath ...(I get that sense that he's saying, if he talks a lot, they'll find him and he doesn't want them to find him.)

    Brandon: I accidentally ran into him.

    Dispatcher: Ah, you ran into them. Okay.

    Brandon: Just the first guy. (It definitely says "just"; not "shot" or that's". Which makes sense because previously he said "I ran into him" not "I ran into them" which implies one person, not several. I think there's someone else close to him, but I don't think he's talking to him. He isn't responding to him. His voice is directed towards the dispatcher, not someone else.)

    Dispatcher: Do you need an ambulance? (I don't hear any gun shots during this phone call and I think Brandon would have said "omg they're shooting someone/shooting at me!" He doesn't bring that up and he still has the opportunity to do so. These "shots" sound like wind, him bumping into things or stepping on things as he runs, noise made by others or cars near to him and so forth.)  I hear a voice in the background saying something like "Are they done yet?", but "done yet" are definitely the last two words I hear.

    Brandon: Yea--. Heavy breathing. No, I need the cops.

    Dispatcher: Is anybody hurt? Then hear wind and cars in the distance. (Thing that I cannot wrap my head around is how we don't hear anybody at all. No breathing, no human voices, no screams. My guess is that he put the phone down because someone was close and he didn't want them to hear him.)

    We can agree that at least one other person got hurt at the very least. Who in that area got hurt, also went missing that night, or died that night? That could help bring in someone answers. 

    Is there any news of state troopers in that area that night? I dont think state troopers were any part of this. I don't hear state trooper or any variation of that on the call.

    Is it possible that there was a hit and run, and when the car ran, the car that got hit turned around and went after the car that was running? So, both cars would be going towards the same way on "both sides". Road rage is real. People kill others all the time due to road rage. Its possible that Brandon was walking along the side of the road at the exact wrong time. Maybe the people going after the other car though he was part of the other car or just thought he saw too much after they hurt the other driver. It sounds like a road rage incident gone bad. Or something with drugs. As if, one of the cars was chasing down the other because they owed them money. And still, Brandon was in the wrong area at the wrong time and saw too much.

  • G

    G La

    I'm heading towards abeline on the broste side

    I'm heading towards abeline on the broste side

  • Grant

    Grant La

    Im in the middle of a field and a state trooper just pulled some guys over. I'm heading to abeline on the Broste side. My truck ran out of gas. There's one car (cop car) here already and the guy just chased them into the woods please hurry. When he was talking to him the guy totally ran into him....he got the first guy...do you need an ambulance? No I need the cops. (3 gun shots or more in the background.) dispatcher says hello a few times and during this another guy says in the background, your going to hurt him real bad or you hurt him real bad.

    Im in the middle of a field and a state trooper just pulled some guys over. I'm heading to abeline on the Broste side. My truck ran out of gas. There's one car (cop car) here already and the guy just chased them into the woods please hurry. When he was talking to him the guy totally ran into him....he got the first guy...do you need an ambulance? No I need the cops. (3 gun shots or more in the background.) dispatcher says hello a few times and during this another guy says in the background, your going to hurt him real bad or you hurt him real bad.

  • Becky

    Becky Atlanta

    What about sniper instead of state trooper?

    What about sniper instead of state trooper?

  • Liana

    Liana

    Sorry, when I sent the above message I was in a big hurry but I just wanted to ass a thanks! Excellent episode. I love the decoding of the 911 call. You guys are so great!!

    Sorry, when I sent the above message I was in a big hurry but I just wanted to ass a thanks! Excellent episode. I love the decoding of the 911 call. You guys are so great!!

  • Logan

    Logan TN

    1st sentence: 9-1-1 Emergency Yes, I'm in the middle of a field, they please send some guys over (referring to police since the call ends with Brandon requesting the police) Right here goin' toward Abilene, on (slurred) the Bronte side

    1st sentence:
    9-1-1 Emergency
    Yes, I'm in the middle of a field, they please send some guys over (referring to police since the call ends with Brandon requesting the police)
    Right here goin' toward Abilene, on (slurred) the Bronte side

  • Alycia

    Alycia Parts Unknown

    I read something on a Reddit blog that made a lot of sense. He "shot the first guy" referring to a pack of wild boars. He ran into a pack of wild boars heading both sides of the road, heading towards Abilene. The boars chased him into the woods and then obviously doesn't end well.

    I read something on a Reddit blog that made a lot of sense. He "shot the first guy" referring to a pack of wild boars. He ran into a pack of wild boars heading both sides of the road, heading towards Abilene. The boars chased him into the woods and then obviously doesn't end well.

  • Jon

    Jon California

    As an oilfield worker, it sounds like hes got chew in his lip. Which is common in this profession to have a massive wad in that would slur his speech somewhat, combined with the texas accent. Keeping that in mind I believe he was saying state trooper

    As an oilfield worker, it sounds like hes got chew in his lip. Which is common in this profession to have a massive wad in that would slur his speech somewhat, combined with the texas accent. Keeping that in mind I believe he was saying state trooper

  • Haley Sullivan

    Haley Sullivan Texas

    I am from west Texas and feel like I can understand his dialect fairly well. I'm also familiar with the area because I grew up frequenting my family's lake house at Oak Creek Reservoir which is 8 miles north of Bronte. I could see how many could hear the word "staper" in the second sentence, though I've never heard this used in any capacity. I asked a couple of people who work in the oil field in west Texas and they've never heard of it either. I don't hear that, there are more syllables. I think he's saying "this guy Pritchett," or a name like that. It could be a first or last name, probably a last as a guy's guy would call another man, especially a stranger, by his last name. If I am hearing the name Pritchett right, maybe someone by that name can be tracked down or is also missing? This is what I hear. 9-1-1 Emergency: 9-1-1 Emergency Brandon: Yes, I’m in the middle of a field. This guy Pritchett/Bridget (likely a last name) pushed some guys over. We were out here going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran outta gas. There’s one car here the guy(s) chased us through the woods. Please hurry! 9-1-1 Emergency: Ok, now run that by me one more... Brandon to Unidentified Person: No we're not talking to them. I accidentally ran into them. 9-1-1 Emergency: Ah, you ran into them? Ok. Unidentified Person: what/who's that? Brandon to Unidentified Person: Just the first guy *loud bang* Unidentified Person: Gunshot ___! 9-1-1 Emergency: Do you need an ambulance? Unidentified Person: Stay there Brandon: No, I need the cops. 9-1-1 Emergency: Ok. Is anybody hurt? Hello? Hello? Hello? Brandon does not respond. I definitely hear a second person, who seems like a friendly, with Brandon. I can’t guess what was going on, but Brandon and the unidentified person are seemingly being pursued. Possible road rage? I have a personal story about being followed by a truck in Bronte in 2004. Not saying it’s connected, but there are some creepy people in those parts.

    I am from west Texas and feel like I can understand his dialect fairly well. I'm also familiar with the area because I grew up frequenting my family's lake house at Oak Creek Reservoir which is 8 miles north of Bronte.

    I could see how many could hear the word "staper" in the second sentence, though I've never heard this used in any capacity. I asked a couple of people who work in the oil field in west Texas and they've never heard of it either. I don't hear that, there are more syllables. I think he's saying "this guy Pritchett," or a name like that. It could be a first or last name, probably a last as a guy's guy would call another man, especially a stranger, by his last name. If I am hearing the name Pritchett right, maybe someone by that name can be tracked down or is also missing?

    This is what I hear.

    9-1-1 Emergency: 9-1-1 Emergency
    Brandon: Yes, I’m in the middle of a field. This guy Pritchett/Bridget (likely a last name) pushed some guys over. We were out here going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran outta gas. There’s one car here the guy(s) chased us through the woods. Please hurry!
    9-1-1 Emergency: Ok, now run that by me one more...
    Brandon to Unidentified Person: No we're not talking to them. I accidentally ran into them.
    9-1-1 Emergency: Ah, you ran into them? Ok.
    Unidentified Person: what/who's that?
    Brandon to Unidentified Person: Just the first guy
    *loud bang*
    Unidentified Person: Gunshot ___!
    9-1-1 Emergency: Do you need an ambulance?
    Unidentified Person: Stay there
    Brandon: No, I need the cops.
    9-1-1 Emergency: Ok. Is anybody hurt? Hello? Hello? Hello?
    Brandon does not respond.

    I definitely hear a second person, who seems like a friendly, with Brandon. I can’t guess what was going on, but Brandon and the unidentified person are seemingly being pursued. Possible road rage?

    I have a personal story about being followed by a truck in Bronte in 2004. Not saying it’s connected, but there are some creepy people in those parts.

  • dave

    dave illinois

    sounds like he says i shot the first guy or I got the first guy .He also says were not talking to him meaning someone is with him ,someone injured who says yes when asked if an ambulance was needed I think Brandon saw something bad go down and tried to help someone in need. We need to stop with all the meaningless nonsense in our lives and focus on the things that are truly important like keeping us all healthy ,safe from evil and finding all those who go missing . We need our creator. With that said lets make public servants responsible for their actions and do their job. FIND BRANDON. AND GOD BLESS YOU ALL.

    sounds like he says i shot the first guy or I got the first guy .He also says were not talking to him meaning someone is with him ,someone injured who says yes when asked if an ambulance was needed I think Brandon saw something bad go down and tried to help someone in need. We need to stop with all the meaningless nonsense in our lives and focus on the things that are truly important like keeping us all healthy ,safe from evil and finding all those who go missing . We need our creator. With that said lets make public servants responsible for their actions and do their job. FIND BRANDON. AND GOD BLESS YOU ALL.

  • Mark Houle

    Mark Houle Colchester, vt

    It sure sounds to me like he is saying 'escaped fer', as though he escaped someone like a road rage incident. He asks for a cop. So he isn't having problems with a cop, he wouldn't ask for a cop for wild animals. He doesn't want an ambulance, so no injuries. Out of breathe. When speaking quickly we should remember people don't always say all their words properly, heck I often don't. With the vehicle the way it is, it sure sounds like some road rage or road issue. Maybe he was walking and being chased or something. He simply stops at the end, and we hear no screaming or loud noises. He's not injured. Sounds like he is hiding and has trouble ending a phone call. I have a lot of trouble ending phone calls.

    It sure sounds to me like he is saying 'escaped fer', as though he escaped someone like a road rage incident.

    He asks for a cop. So he isn't having problems with a cop, he wouldn't ask for a cop for wild animals. He doesn't want an ambulance, so no injuries. Out of breathe. When speaking quickly we should remember people don't always say all their words properly, heck I often don't. With the vehicle the way it is, it sure sounds like some road rage or road issue. Maybe he was walking and being chased or something. He simply stops at the end, and we hear no screaming or loud noises. He's not injured. Sounds like he is hiding and has trouble ending a phone call. I have a lot of trouble ending phone calls.

  • Andrea E

    Andrea E Tewksbury, MA

    My partner is from San Angelo and it's very normal for people in that area to describe directions based on the direction of the closest major town. Her parents refer to "heading towards Abilene" all the time, he definitely says "heading towards Abilene on both sides."

    My partner is from San Angelo and it's very normal for people in that area to describe directions based on the direction of the closest major town. Her parents refer to "heading towards Abilene" all the time, he definitely says "heading towards Abilene on both sides."

  • Bob C

    Bob C Jersey City

    I agree with the preaching god comments. I heard that from the first listen, some guy out here preaching god, one car here, got chased in to the the woods then something about running in to one of them them. Nothing about a state trooper of anyone being pulled over.

    I agree with the preaching god comments. I heard that from the first listen, some guy out here preaching god, one car here, got chased in to the the woods then something about running in to one of them them. Nothing about a state trooper of anyone being pulled over.

  • Lauren

    Lauren Houston, TX

    Here's what I'm getting: 911: 911 Emergency. BL: Yes, I’m in the middle of a field, attacked for just pushing guys over… Right here going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There’s one car here, and a guy’s chasing me through the woods. Please hurry. 911: Okay, now run that by me one more-- BL: When I was talking to them, [I hightailed it and?] ran into them. 911: Ah, you ran into them, okay. BL: Just the first guy. 911: Do you need an ambulance? BL: Yeah… No, I need the cops. 911: Okay. Is anybody hurt? BL: [Silence and vehicle(s) driving past?] 911: Hello? Hello? Hello? It's frustrating to not be able to understand what he's saying! But I don't think he's saying "staper" (sp?). When I was first listening to analyze the dialogue, I was hearing "attacked for," obviously with a bit of slurred-sounding speech or heavy accent. My guess is that he was on his way to stay at his father's after the fight with his significant other. On the way, there were a couple of vehicles side-by-side, facing the direction of Abilene and blocking both lanes (hence "towards Abilene on both sides"). Already in an agitated emotional state, maybe he confronted them, and as things got heated he got back in his car and tried to push past them. He may have accidentally hit one of the vehicles in the process, and a chase ensues. He runs out of gas and they're still pursuing him to the point of possible attack, and that's when he makes the call. "Attacked for just pushing guys over," like trying to muscle past them to get to his destination. Also, I heard this next bit brought up on Websleuths.com. When the dispatcher loses him, he's actually just staying quiet to not be heard by his pursuer(s). When she starts saying, "Hello?," it does sound like vehicles are driving past on the other end of the line, and he's not speaking because he doesn't want to give away his location. It doesn't sound like any attack is occurring during this phone call, but that he's trying to lay low. Anyway, my two cents. Awesome podcast by the way, y'all!!

    Here's what I'm getting:
    911: 911 Emergency.
    BL: Yes, I’m in the middle of a field, attacked for just pushing guys over… Right here going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There’s one car here, and a guy’s chasing me through the woods. Please hurry.
    911: Okay, now run that by me one more--
    BL: When I was talking to them, [I hightailed it and?] ran into them.
    911: Ah, you ran into them, okay.
    BL: Just the first guy.
    911: Do you need an ambulance?
    BL: Yeah… No, I need the cops.
    911: Okay. Is anybody hurt?
    BL: [Silence and vehicle(s) driving past?]
    911: Hello? Hello? Hello?

    It's frustrating to not be able to understand what he's saying! But I don't think he's saying "staper" (sp?). When I was first listening to analyze the dialogue, I was hearing "attacked for," obviously with a bit of slurred-sounding speech or heavy accent.

    My guess is that he was on his way to stay at his father's after the fight with his significant other. On the way, there were a couple of vehicles side-by-side, facing the direction of Abilene and blocking both lanes (hence "towards Abilene on both sides"). Already in an agitated emotional state, maybe he confronted them, and as things got heated he got back in his car and tried to push past them. He may have accidentally hit one of the vehicles in the process, and a chase ensues. He runs out of gas and they're still pursuing him to the point of possible attack, and that's when he makes the call. "Attacked for just pushing guys over," like trying to muscle past them to get to his destination.

    Also, I heard this next bit brought up on Websleuths.com. When the dispatcher loses him, he's actually just staying quiet to not be heard by his pursuer(s). When she starts saying, "Hello?," it does sound like vehicles are driving past on the other end of the line, and he's not speaking because he doesn't want to give away his location. It doesn't sound like any attack is occurring during this phone call, but that he's trying to lay low.

    Anyway, my two cents.
    Awesome podcast by the way, y'all!!

  • Tracy

    Tracy Raleigh, NC

    One question that continues to plaque me is...did anyone check to see if there is a record of state troopers being in that area? Normally, there are pretty tight records kept on the location of law enforcement. Also, I read a report that was from about six months after he disappeared and his girlfriend was saying that a search had not been conducted where his cell phone last pinged, but rather near his truck. Does anyone know if the search area was ever broadened?

    One question that continues to plaque me is...did anyone check to see if there is a record of state troopers being in that area? Normally, there are pretty tight records kept on the location of law enforcement. Also, I read a report that was from about six months after he disappeared and his girlfriend was saying that a search had not been conducted where his cell phone last pinged, but rather near his truck. Does anyone know if the search area was ever broadened?

  • Vince G

    Vince G Maryland

    Hi everyone. Professional transcriber and amateur true crime fan here. I think I've made a break in transcription. I'm almost positive he says "Waddunout talkin' to 'em" and not anything about "we're not talking to 'em." It fits his dialect and is a more colloquial way to say "I wasn't out talking to them." In my opinion, he's alone at this moment and isn't mentioning "we're." Based on this, I'm almost certain he (whether it is imagined, drug-fueled hallucinations, or real) ran out of gas, flagged some guys down to help, and they chased him into a field. I don't agree that they are necessarily gunshots at the end (although they may be distant shots), because audio can crackle or pop with any background sound sources or if he puts the phone in his pocket or rubs the microphone of the phone. That said, he could very easily be saying, "I'm in the middle of a field at State Bridge, he's pushing guys over it." In that sense, he came up on some guys pushing people off a bridge and they chased him (killing the witness). I do hear a distinct sound after the R in "over," and if it's anything, it's the word "it." That's too conspiracy-theory, suspense movie for me, so the more likely explanation is drugs and hallucinations, followed by flagging down a couple bad dudes. It's very odd that an apparent engine or machine sound appears at the end, though. I can't explain that. However, the way I've transcribed it leaves no room for talking about "shot the first guy." I believe naturally, he's responding to her question and not starting a new statement about shooting anyone. "Ah, you ran into 'em?" "Just the first guy." I feel that if he witness a shooting, that would be much more pronounced throughout this - imagine if you had witnessed a shooting. It wouldn't be so causally said in a brief statement, "Oh, yeah, by the way, he shot the first guy." I also don't know if it's "State Bridge" or another bridge or some sort of ridge. Locals might know if there's something called "Stipe Ridge" or something that doesn't show up on maps. I'm more inclined to think it's a ridge because his truck was found fairly far south of the Colorado River bridge, although a close enough distance if he had been moving for a while. Again, in this scenario, he's almost certainly giving his location first so he can be found, as you and I would. Imagine saying, "Hello, I'm at xyz location, and here's what happened." We see this all the time in 911 calls - "Hello, I'm at Sandy Hook Elementary School and..." is an example of this. Brandon knows that he needs to let 911 know where he is, and then say what happened, in my opinion. (I'm at this location, and I just pulled some guys over.) (Operator) 911 emergency. (Brandon) Yes, I'm in the middle of the field at State Bridge just pulled some guys over. We're out here goin' towards Abilene on Bronte sides. My truck ran outta gas. There's one car here, a guy's chasin' me into the woods. Please hurry. (Operator) Ok, now run that by me one... (Brandon) Wuddunout talkin' to 'em. I totally ran into 'em. (Operator) Ah, you ran into 'em. Ok. --Odd, abrupt background sound or edited cut-- (Brandon) Just the first guy. (Operator) You need an ambulance? (Brandon) I, I, I'm...Yeah, no I need the cops. (Operator) Ok, is anybody hurt? Hello? Hello? (sound of engine and audio cracks)

    Hi everyone. Professional transcriber and amateur true crime fan here. I think I've made a break in transcription. I'm almost positive he says "Waddunout talkin' to 'em" and not anything about "we're not talking to 'em." It fits his dialect and is a more colloquial way to say "I wasn't out talking to them." In my opinion, he's alone at this moment and isn't mentioning "we're."

    Based on this, I'm almost certain he (whether it is imagined, drug-fueled hallucinations, or real) ran out of gas, flagged some guys down to help, and they chased him into a field. I don't agree that they are necessarily gunshots at the end (although they may be distant shots), because audio can crackle or pop with any background sound sources or if he puts the phone in his pocket or rubs the microphone of the phone.

    That said, he could very easily be saying, "I'm in the middle of a field at State Bridge, he's pushing guys over it." In that sense, he came up on some guys pushing people off a bridge and they chased him (killing the witness). I do hear a distinct sound after the R in "over," and if it's anything, it's the word "it." That's too conspiracy-theory, suspense movie for me, so the more likely explanation is drugs and hallucinations, followed by flagging down a couple bad dudes. It's very odd that an apparent engine or machine sound appears at the end, though. I can't explain that.

    However, the way I've transcribed it leaves no room for talking about "shot the first guy." I believe naturally, he's responding to her question and not starting a new statement about shooting anyone. "Ah, you ran into 'em?" "Just the first guy." I feel that if he witness a shooting, that would be much more pronounced throughout this - imagine if you had witnessed a shooting. It wouldn't be so causally said in a brief statement, "Oh, yeah, by the way, he shot the first guy."

    I also don't know if it's "State Bridge" or another bridge or some sort of ridge. Locals might know if there's something called "Stipe Ridge" or something that doesn't show up on maps. I'm more inclined to think it's a ridge because his truck was found fairly far south of the Colorado River bridge, although a close enough distance if he had been moving for a while.

    Again, in this scenario, he's almost certainly giving his location first so he can be found, as you and I would. Imagine saying, "Hello, I'm at xyz location, and here's what happened." We see this all the time in 911 calls - "Hello, I'm at Sandy Hook Elementary School and..." is an example of this. Brandon knows that he needs to let 911 know where he is, and then say what happened, in my opinion. (I'm at this location, and I just pulled some guys over.)

    (Operator) 911 emergency.
    (Brandon) Yes, I'm in the middle of the field at State Bridge just pulled some guys over. We're out here goin' towards Abilene on Bronte sides. My truck ran outta gas. There's one car here, a guy's chasin' me into the woods. Please hurry.
    (Operator) Ok, now run that by me one...
    (Brandon) Wuddunout talkin' to 'em. I totally ran into 'em.
    (Operator) Ah, you ran into 'em. Ok.
    --Odd, abrupt background sound or edited cut--
    (Brandon) Just the first guy.
    (Operator) You need an ambulance?
    (Brandon) I, I, I'm...Yeah, no I need the cops.
    (Operator) Ok, is anybody hurt? Hello? Hello?
    (sound of engine and audio cracks)

  • funky morganics

    funky morganics Indiana

    I am thinking that he says “a scraper pushed some guys over” A scraper is a piece of construction equipment, and a lot of farmers have them around to do dirt work on their property. It looks almost like a long bull dozer. I know he was out in an agricultural area with crop fields on both sides. It is a pretty big piece of equipment and would definitely be able to scare some cars off of the road if it were coming at you. I don’t think he says “a staper pulled some guys over” I really don’t think he says pulled at all, there is a very distinctive “sh” sound. I think people just convince themselves that they are hearing “pull” because it fits the staper theory.

    I am thinking that he says “a scraper pushed some guys over” A scraper is a piece of construction equipment, and a lot of farmers have them around to do dirt work on their property. It looks almost like a long bull dozer. I know he was out in an agricultural area with crop fields on both sides. It is a pretty big piece of equipment and would definitely be able to scare some cars off of the road if it were coming at you.

    I don’t think he says “a staper pulled some guys over” I really don’t think he says pulled at all, there is a very distinctive “sh” sound. I think people just convince themselves that they are hearing “pull” because it fits the staper theory.

  • Meggs

    Meggs Dallas

    The top comment on a youtube video had this to say: My wife and I listened to this multiple times we live in Abilene, this is what we got: yes im in the middle of a field if they could just bring some guys over right here going to Abilene on Bronte side. my truck ran out of gas there's one car here the guys chased me into the woods. please hurry. operator asking him to repeat. I tried talking to em. ahh i totally ran into em. ( I think here he means he sees the man or men again. I think he thought he lost them and just ran back into them.) I got the first guy or It's not the first guy. (I can not tell.) operator asks about ambulance no i need the cops

    The top comment on a youtube video had this to say:
    My wife and I listened to this multiple times we live in Abilene, this is what we got:
    yes im in the middle of a field if they could just bring some guys over right here going to Abilene on Bronte side.
    my truck ran out of gas there's one car here the guys chased me into the woods. please hurry.
    operator asking him to repeat.
    I tried talking to em.
    ahh i totally ran into em. ( I think here he means he sees the man or men again. I think he thought he lost them and just ran back into them.)
    I got the first guy or It's not the first guy. (I can not tell.)
    operator asks about ambulance
    no i need the cops

  • Mike

    Mike TX

    Definitely saying "Abilene", which makes sense given he's on 277.. and "I accidentally ran into them".

    Definitely saying "Abilene", which makes sense given he's on 277.. and "I accidentally ran into them".

  • teri lain

    teri lain sunnyside wa

    i agree with you that he is saying "stater," as in state trooper. i think the location of the dialect needs to be taken into affect. if he is saying state trooper, why would he run into the fields? also, if a state trooper pulls someone over isn't there or shouldn't there be some type of paper trail for that on the police side. i work as a medical coder and i see a lot of dictation and the systems take what is said and put out a lot of weird words. i have the same issue when i ask my google for something, i will have to say it more than one time and still the google gets it wrong. i think it mainly depends upon how our dialect is recorded into systems.

    i agree with you that he is saying "stater," as in state trooper. i think the location of the dialect needs to be taken into affect. if he is saying state trooper, why would he run into the fields? also, if a state trooper pulls someone over isn't there or shouldn't there be some type of paper trail for that on the police side.

    i work as a medical coder and i see a lot of dictation and the systems take what is said and put out a lot of weird words. i have the same issue when i ask my google for something, i will have to say it more than one time and still the google gets it wrong. i think it mainly depends upon how our dialect is recorded into systems.

  • Olivia

    Olivia CA

    Idk if anyone has mentioned this but his "accent" to me sounds like he has chewing tobacco in his mouth. When i was listening, i literally stuck my finger into my bottom lip and repeated what he was saying. Hard consonants kind of blend together. And in some of his pictures, it looks like he has a lip in.

    Idk if anyone has mentioned this but his "accent" to me sounds like he has chewing tobacco in his mouth. When i was listening, i literally stuck my finger into my bottom lip and repeated what he was saying. Hard consonants kind of blend together. And in some of his pictures, it looks like he has a lip in.

  • Skoaldude

    Skoaldude

    One thing I keep coming back to as an issue in the call is "Staper". I don't believe that's what he is saying, or that he means State Trooper - this theory seems to be a red herring, and confuses the outlook on the rest of the story. Typically the first thing operators ask when a call to 911 is placed is the caller's location - while this wasn't asked by the operator, Brandon certainly starts off on this path "I'm in the middle of a field". That, in and of itself, is really not helpful - but he clearly understands that it's important to explain where he is to the operator. What I hear after he mentions he is in a field is "State here", like a hurried "I'm located off State Street, here" or something like that. In reviewing Google maps, Rt 277 south of Bronte is called "State St" for quite a ways, so I think he was dialing in his location - (ultimately his vehicle was found 4.5 miles south of Bronte on 277, but we know he called his brother saying he was 10 minutes away, likely north towards town). He then says in the next sentence "going towards Abilene", which makes sense as this this is the next major city north on 277 (after Bronte). I can't tell his he is saying "Bronte side" or "Both sides" - Bronte would make more sense, but sounds much more like "both" to me, so I believe when he refers to both sides that while he was walking north (towards Abilene) he might have tried to flag down multiple vehicles on both sides (i.e. going either direction). Also, I believe he is saying that he, Brandon, pulled some guys over (i.e. flagged them down) to help - but they chased him into the woods. Here is what I hear: Brandon: Yes, I'm in the middle of a field off State, here B: (I) just pulled some guys over B: Right here going towards Abiline on both sides B: My truck ran out of gas B: There's one car here, the guys chased me into the woods. Please hurry. Operator: OK, now run that by me one more... B: And when I got talkin' to 'em, ahh I totally ran into 'em O: Ahh, you ran into 'em, OK B: Just the first guy. O: Do you need an ambulence? B: Yeah..no, I need the cops

    One thing I keep coming back to as an issue in the call is "Staper". I don't believe that's what he is saying, or that he means State Trooper - this theory seems to be a red herring, and confuses the outlook on the rest of the story.

    Typically the first thing operators ask when a call to 911 is placed is the caller's location - while this wasn't asked by the operator, Brandon certainly starts off on this path "I'm in the middle of a field". That, in and of itself, is really not helpful - but he clearly understands that it's important to explain where he is to the operator. What I hear after he mentions he is in a field is "State here", like a hurried "I'm located off State Street, here" or something like that. In reviewing Google maps, Rt 277 south of Bronte is called "State St" for quite a ways, so I think he was dialing in his location - (ultimately his vehicle was found 4.5 miles south of Bronte on 277, but we know he called his brother saying he was 10 minutes away, likely north towards town). He then says in the next sentence "going towards Abilene", which makes sense as this this is the next major city north on 277 (after Bronte). I can't tell his he is saying "Bronte side" or "Both sides" - Bronte would make more sense, but sounds much more like "both" to me, so I believe when he refers to both sides that while he was walking north (towards Abilene) he might have tried to flag down multiple vehicles on both sides (i.e. going either direction).

    Also, I believe he is saying that he, Brandon, pulled some guys over (i.e. flagged them down) to help - but they chased him into the woods.

    Here is what I hear:

    Brandon: Yes, I'm in the middle of a field off State, here
    B: (I) just pulled some guys over
    B: Right here going towards Abiline on both sides
    B: My truck ran out of gas
    B: There's one car here, the guys chased me into the woods. Please hurry.
    Operator: OK, now run that by me one more...
    B: And when I got talkin' to 'em, ahh I totally ran into 'em
    O: Ahh, you ran into 'em, OK
    B: Just the first guy.
    O: Do you need an ambulence?
    B: Yeah..no, I need the cops

  • Lucie

    Lucie Colleyville, TX

    Listening to this right now and I think someone said "Gimme that" right before Brandon said "I need the cops". I think he handed the phone to whoever asked for it and that was the last we heard Brandon speak. I'm from the area and can somewhat understand the thick accent...

    Listening to this right now and I think someone said "Gimme that" right before Brandon said "I need the cops". I think he handed the phone to whoever asked for it and that was the last we heard Brandon speak. I'm from the area and can somewhat understand the thick accent...

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Skoal dude I think that's the best one yet. I also think Lucie could be right with the gimme that as well. Explaining the abrupt ending. Wondering if the I totally ran into then is present tense and not past. He had run from them but as he's on the phone they caught up to him. Nic

    Skoal dude I think that's the best one yet. I also think Lucie could be right with the gimme that as well. Explaining the abrupt ending. Wondering if the I totally ran into then is present tense and not past. He had run from them but as he's on the phone they caught up to him.
    Nic

  • Jo

    Jo Australia

    This episode really got to me. It's really so sad. Keep thinking of how scared Brandon must have been... Being hunted out there with no help. While I was listening I was reminded of a great movie from the 80s called Blow Out about an audio technician solving a crime through audio recording, I think it's a Brian DePalma film, probably the best movie John Travolta's ever been in too 😂 Anyway, loving the podcast. Thanks!!!

    This episode really got to me. It's really so sad. Keep thinking of how scared Brandon must have been... Being hunted out there with no help. While I was listening I was reminded of a great movie from the 80s called Blow Out about an audio technician solving a crime through audio recording, I think it's a Brian DePalma film, probably the best movie John Travolta's ever been in too 😂
    Anyway, loving the podcast. Thanks!!!

  • Blossom

    Blossom

    Has anyone else heard the whisper "help me" between the second and third"hello"?

    Has anyone else heard the whisper "help me" between the second and third"hello"?

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    True Crime Garage

    Blossom - like everything else on this tape, sometimes I hear it and the next time I don't. Nic

    Blossom - like everything else on this tape, sometimes I hear it and the next time I don't.
    Nic

  • Lindsay

    Lindsay

    I believe he calls the state trooper a "stater"...... "stater just pulled some guys over." sometimes we refer to them as "staties" where I live.

    I believe he calls the state trooper a "stater"...... "stater just pulled some guys over." sometimes we refer to them as "staties" where I live.

  • J

    J

    Man, these episodes have sent me down a rabbit hole. here is what i hear "yes, i'm in the middle of a field, if they could just bring some guys over.. (we're?) out here going towards Abiline on both (bronte?) sides. my truck run out of gas. there's one car here. got chased into the woods please hurry. [inaudible] talkin' to em, i totally ran into em. [inaudible](shot the?) first guy. [inaudible question from someone he is with, which brandon responds with "yeah"] no i need the cops. " what is weird for me is how the call ends, he didn't drop his phone or put it in his pocket you would be able to tell from the audio, did he just drop signal or was his phone by his side on speaker phone? i think he stumbled onto a situation he wasn't supposed to see involving the wrong types of people and his body unfortunately was just never found.

    Man, these episodes have sent me down a rabbit hole. here is what i hear

    "yes, i'm in the middle of a field, if they could just bring some guys over.. (we're?) out here going towards Abiline on both (bronte?) sides. my truck run out of gas. there's one car here. got chased into the woods please hurry. [inaudible] talkin' to em, i totally ran into em. [inaudible](shot the?) first guy. [inaudible question from someone he is with, which brandon responds with "yeah"] no i need the cops. "

    what is weird for me is how the call ends, he didn't drop his phone or put it in his pocket you would be able to tell from the audio, did he just drop signal or was his phone by his side on speaker phone? i think he stumbled onto a situation he wasn't supposed to see involving the wrong types of people and his body unfortunately was just never found.

  • Jason

    Jason California

    I just listened to you pod cast i hear him saying Yes I'm here in the middle of a field THIS GUY just pulled over,,, not staper

    I just listened to you pod cast i hear him saying
    Yes I'm here in the middle of a field
    THIS GUY just pulled over,,, not staper

  • SMR

    SMR Florida

    This is late but I've been listening oldest to newest. What his conversation sounded like to me was this: Yes I'm in the middle of a field Escaped for just pushing guys over(kinda seems weird) Right here going towards Abilin on both sides My truck ran out of gas theres one car here we(they) got to take me to the woods-please hurry And when I talked to Joan I totally ran into him Just the first guy (When the operator is speaking) I'm not a- No I need the cops Good job guys y'all always have great episodes.

    This is late but I've been listening oldest to newest. What his conversation sounded like to me was this:
    Yes I'm in the middle of a field
    Escaped for just pushing guys over(kinda seems weird)
    Right here going towards Abilin on both sides
    My truck ran out of gas theres one car here we(they) got to take me to the woods-please hurry
    And when I talked to Joan I totally ran into him
    Just the first guy
    (When the operator is speaking) I'm not a-
    No I need the cops

    Good job guys y'all always have great episodes.

  • Jason

    Jason Califronia

    I just found you podcast i listened to about 7 now,, GREAT JOB GUYS on the Brandon Lawson 911 Tape i hear him saying Yes I'm here in the middle of a field "THIS GUY" just pulled over

    I just found you podcast i listened to about 7 now,, GREAT JOB GUYS

    on the Brandon Lawson 911 Tape i hear him saying
    Yes I'm here in the middle of a field
    "THIS GUY" just pulled over

  • Audi

    Audi Phoenix

    Who is the trucker?

    Who is the trucker?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Audi we don't have information on the trucker which of course is suspicious. Nic

    Audi we don't have information on the trucker which of course is suspicious.
    Nic

  • Cliff Lawless

    Cliff Lawless Jefferson TX

    I'm pretty confident he's saying "going towards Abiline, on both sides of the road". But what does "both sides of the road" mean. Two vehicles on both sides of the road pointing towards Abiline, or driving in that direction? This is a bothersome sentence. I'm from Texas and I'm trying to imagine a conversation with that sentence in it.

    I'm pretty confident he's saying "going towards Abiline, on both sides of the road". But what does "both sides of the road" mean. Two vehicles on both sides of the road pointing towards Abiline, or driving in that direction? This is a bothersome sentence. I'm from Texas and I'm trying to imagine a conversation with that sentence in it.

  • Louise

    Louise Ok

    I just listened to this sorry I'm way behind. Ya, I'm in the middle of a field, where state St. Rides over? Or a few miles over? Out here going towards abilene on something on both sides? Or on the Bronte side? (maybe where the river is on both sides?I know the Colorado River runs under state Street at some point maybe that's why he says rides over Based on Google maps 277 is named state St. Near Bronte. The noises at the end sound like a semi going over a bridge maybe he ran under there to get out of the road so who ever was after him couldn't see him and that's where he made the phone call to 911.

    I just listened to this sorry I'm way behind.

    Ya, I'm in the middle of a field, where state St.
    Rides over? Or a few miles over?
    Out here going towards abilene on something on both sides? Or on the Bronte side?

    (maybe where the river is on both sides?I know the Colorado River runs under state Street at some point maybe that's why he says rides over Based on Google maps 277 is named state St. Near Bronte. The noises at the end sound like a semi going over a bridge maybe he ran under there to get out of the road so who ever was after him couldn't see him and that's where he made the phone call to 911.

  • Martha

    Martha SF Bay Area

    I hear: "You guys (meaning the cops 911 will send) gotta check the woods.

    I hear: "You guys (meaning the cops 911 will send) gotta check the woods.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    That's a new one. I like that. Thanks Martha. Nic

    That's a new one. I like that. Thanks Martha.
    Nic

  • Liz_B

    Liz_B

    I'm late to the party. Thank goodness Abilene has been identified. I just heard this episode yesterday. I live in Abilene. I was bouncing up and down yelling, "It's ABILENE!!!!" at my iPod every time they speculated at what he was saying.

    I'm late to the party.

    Thank goodness Abilene has been identified.

    I just heard this episode yesterday.

    I live in Abilene.

    I was bouncing up and down yelling, "It's ABILENE!!!!" at my iPod every time they speculated at what he was saying.

  • Rebecca Casella

    Rebecca Casella Elyria, OH

    If Brandon's truck had already ran out of gas, it would be disabled. If he'd run into someone, it would have to have happened before he talked to his brother. The 911 call happened 20 minutes later. Wouldn't the trooper or his brother seen something amiss? The time line doesn't make any sense.

    If Brandon's truck had already ran out of gas, it would be disabled. If he'd run into someone, it would have to have happened before he talked to his brother. The 911 call happened 20 minutes later. Wouldn't the trooper or his brother seen something amiss? The time line doesn't make any sense.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Hi Rebecca, No the timeline does not make sense and that is why a lot of people including myself have suspicions about the truck driver and Brandon's brothers version of the events. It's been awhile since we covered this but I believe there was no damage found on Brandon's truck. So when he says what sounds like "I ran into them" we think he means he ran it to trouble or came across someone(s) when walking. Cheers, Nic

    Hi Rebecca,
    No the timeline does not make sense and that is why a lot of people including myself have suspicions about the truck driver and Brandon's brothers version of the events. It's been awhile since we covered this but I believe there was no damage found on Brandon's truck. So when he says what sounds like "I ran into them" we think he means he ran it to trouble or came across someone(s) when walking.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Chad

    Chad St. Louis, mo

    If he was saying "state trooper pulled some guys over".. wouldnt we be able to look at some public record or something and see if there were any state troopers out around there, at that time, pulling someone (s) over for a traffic violation or whatever?

    If he was saying "state trooper pulled some guys over".. wouldnt we be able to look at some public record or something and see if there were any state troopers out around there, at that time, pulling someone (s) over for a traffic violation or whatever?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Yes Chad and that is the issue everyone has with Brandon possibly saying state trooper. It just doesn't make sense. Thanks, Nic

    Yes Chad and that is the issue everyone has with Brandon possibly saying state trooper. It just doesn't make sense.

    Thanks,
    Nic

  • Carol

    Carol San Angelo, TX

    Regarding the confusion about "both sides" or "Bronte side," I believe he said, "...going towards Abilene on (the) Bronte side." I live in San Angelo, and if someone here is driving to Abilene, they will usually take one of two routes: Bronte or Ballinger. If Brandon thought he was speaking to San Angelo's 911 dispatch, "on (the) Bronte side" would identify exactly what road he was on: between San Angelo and Abilene, on the Bronte route, as opposed to the Ballinger route. Just my two cents.

    Regarding the confusion about "both sides" or "Bronte side," I believe he said, "...going towards Abilene on (the) Bronte side." I live in San Angelo, and if someone here is driving to Abilene, they will usually take one of two routes: Bronte or Ballinger. If Brandon thought he was speaking to San Angelo's 911 dispatch, "on (the) Bronte side" would identify exactly what road he was on: between San Angelo and Abilene, on the Bronte route, as opposed to the Ballinger route. Just my two cents.

  • Mando

    Mando

    What if this wasn't Brandon on the phone but the truck driver. The voice in the background may be Brandon injured. I think on the first half he's making up a story about him being chased into the woods. But then he says I'm here talking to him. I accidentally ran into him. When she asked him do you need an ambulance you hear Brandon in pain say Yeah and the truck driver say no I need the cops.

    What if this wasn't Brandon on the phone but the truck driver. The voice in the background may be Brandon injured. I think on the first half he's making up a story about him being chased into the woods. But then he says I'm here talking to him. I accidentally ran into him. When she asked him do you need an ambulance you hear Brandon in pain say Yeah and the truck driver say no I need the cops.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Carol thanks for the insight. This is a case that in my opinion is best looked at by persons with a good understanding of the area. So your input is fantastic. Mandy that is an interesting thought and a good one. The caller does say my truck ran out of gas - or sounds like he say that. This most likely would point to Brandon as the caller or primary voice heard on the call. - Nic

    Carol thanks for the insight. This is a case that in my opinion is best looked at by persons with a good understanding of the area. So your input is fantastic.

    Mandy that is an interesting thought and a good one. The caller does say my truck ran out of gas - or sounds like he say that. This most likely would point to Brandon as the caller or primary voice heard on the call. - Nic

  • Mando

    Mando

    I also believe the man said my truck ran out of gas. I also think he had time to speak to Brandon before he made the call with Brandon's phone. I was thinking this guy may have accidentally struck him on the side of the road while Brandon began walking to town. I also believe the man may have been intoxicated and didn't want to go to jail. So he tried to make it sound like Brandon was making the 911 call. I may be way off on this theory but that's the only thing that makes sense to me. On the report it is said that his truck was found a mile from a rest stop on highway 277 south of Bronte. If Brandon began walking north towards Bronte you will find and open field used for farming. On the the call the man said he was in a field. If you look at Google satellite images you will find a field on the west side of the highway north of the rest stop. Right next to the field is a bridge going over the Colorado River. On the satellite images you will see that pavement or asphalt is divided into sections on the bridge. That would explain the thuds and the sound of a car approaching that y'all described on your show. I think when the man heard this sound he panicked set the phone down and took off. Like I said before my theory could be way off. I happen to live in the area and I never heard of Brandon's story. Thank you for putting a little light on it. Maybe one day we'll find the truth behind this mystery. God bless.

    I also believe the man said my truck ran out of gas. I also think he had time to speak to Brandon before he made the call with Brandon's phone. I was thinking this guy may have accidentally struck him on the side of the road while Brandon began walking to town. I also believe the man may have been intoxicated and didn't want to go to jail. So he tried to make it sound like Brandon was making the 911 call. I may be way off on this theory but that's the only thing that makes sense to me.
    On the report it is said that his truck was found a mile from a rest stop on highway 277 south of Bronte. If Brandon began walking north towards Bronte you will find and open field used for farming. On the the call the man said he was in a field. If you look at Google satellite images you will find a field on the west side of the highway north of the rest stop. Right next to the field is a bridge going over the Colorado River. On the satellite images you will see that pavement or asphalt is divided into sections on the bridge. That would explain the thuds and the sound of a car approaching that y'all described on your show. I think when the man heard this sound he panicked set the phone down and took off.
    Like I said before my theory could be way off. I happen to live in the area and I never heard of Brandon's story. Thank you for putting a little light on it. Maybe one day we'll find the truth behind this mystery. God bless.

  • JD

    JD FL

    Asked before, didn't see an answer: Has the 911 operator ever been interviewed independently of the authorities (or the paper run by the Sheriff's wife)? I'd like to know if she says the tape is edited or not. I want to believe she is a good person who would tell the truth.

    Asked before, didn't see an answer: Has the 911 operator ever been interviewed independently of the authorities (or the paper run by the Sheriff's wife)?

    I'd like to know if she says the tape is edited or not. I want to believe she is a good person who would tell the truth.

  • Aunt Em

    Aunt Em Australia

    Maybe because of where I live, I can only hear a very quick "this guy just" instead of the staper word. I hear "this guy just (something) and then drove over" (as in, the guy did something or perhaps saw him on the side of the road, then drove over to Brandon). Maybe the guys aren't used to fast talkers, so when they're talking even faster (in a panic), they aren't registering enough separate words, turning "this guy just" in to one word - staper.

    Maybe because of where I live, I can only hear a very quick "this guy just" instead of the staper word. I hear "this guy just (something) and then drove over" (as in, the guy did something or perhaps saw him on the side of the road, then drove over to Brandon). Maybe the guys aren't used to fast talkers, so when they're talking even faster (in a panic), they aren't registering enough separate words, turning "this guy just" in to one word - staper.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    JD I would think the Dispatcher would have been interviewed by someone at the very least by Brandon's girlfriend. I've not been able to locate her name to verify this. An interview with her though would have most likely taken place well after he went missing. Police didn't connect the 911 call with the disappearance until Brandon's girlfriend saw the call on his phone bill. Thanks, Nic

    JD I would think the Dispatcher would have been interviewed by someone at the very least by Brandon's girlfriend. I've not been able to locate her name to verify this. An interview with her though would have most likely taken place well after he went missing. Police didn't connect the 911 call with the disappearance until Brandon's girlfriend saw the call on his phone bill.
    Thanks,
    Nic

  • JESSIE RAMON

    JESSIE RAMON ANGELO, TX

    I AM ATTEMPTING A PODCAST ON AN UNSOLVED MURDER/HATE CRIME THAT ALSO OCCURRED IN BROWNWOOD, TX AND I HAVE ASKED THE POLICE DEPT FOR THE 911 CALLS/TRANSCRIPTS BUT STILL NOTHING, ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO OBTAIN THESE ?

    I AM ATTEMPTING A PODCAST ON AN UNSOLVED MURDER/HATE CRIME THAT ALSO OCCURRED IN BROWNWOOD, TX AND I HAVE ASKED THE POLICE DEPT FOR THE 911 CALLS/TRANSCRIPTS BUT STILL NOTHING, ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO OBTAIN THESE ?

  • CP

    CP Dallas

    Parts where I'm not at least 90% sure on what is said are bracketed: "State trooper pulled some guys over. I'm out here going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas there's one car here guy/gone chased...[me/somebody/?]... into the woods. Please hurry.... The one [I talked into him/I walked into him/I talked in June/I walked in June/guy talked into him/guy walked into him/I'm talking to him/I'm talking to them]. ((This last part, it's like he's saying to someone else on his end "yeah, I'm talking to them." as if someone asked him to call 911)) I totally ran into them. Got/shot the first guy. " The other voice sounds like it's saying "get back here." His accent and manner of speaking is really familiar to me. I'm from north Texas and his voice reminds me of a good friend of mine. Unfortunately, that friend is also difficult to understand a lot of the time because he speaks so quickly and has such a heavy accent. The gist of it sounds like one of two things: 1. He was broke down because he was out of gas. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Some guys were in some trouble and he got mixed up in it by just being there on the road. He calls 911 for the guy and he's trying to explain what's going on. He's run off into a field to get away from whatever's going on and the other guy has been run off into the woods by whomever. 2. A state trooper was involved. The parts where he says "state trooper" were taken out (if he indeed is saying that, then I think it's been edited out in two places) and he again was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The state trooper was after these guys, he saw it or got swept up into it, and he's now confused by the situation. This one is more far-fetched, but not necessarily fantastic. Either case explains why he's disappeared. Because it seems in either case, he's dealing with someone who has made people disappear before.

    Parts where I'm not at least 90% sure on what is said are bracketed:
    "State trooper pulled some guys over. I'm out here going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas there's one car here guy/gone chased...[me/somebody/?]... into the woods. Please hurry.... The one [I talked into him/I walked into him/I talked in June/I walked in June/guy talked into him/guy walked into him/I'm talking to him/I'm talking to them]. ((This last part, it's like he's saying to someone else on his end "yeah, I'm talking to them." as if someone asked him to call 911)) I totally ran into them. Got/shot the first guy. " The other voice sounds like it's saying "get back here."

    His accent and manner of speaking is really familiar to me. I'm from north Texas and his voice reminds me of a good friend of mine. Unfortunately, that friend is also difficult to understand a lot of the time because he speaks so quickly and has such a heavy accent.

    The gist of it sounds like one of two things:

    1. He was broke down because he was out of gas. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Some guys were in some trouble and he got mixed up in it by just being there on the road. He calls 911 for the guy and he's trying to explain what's going on. He's run off into a field to get away from whatever's going on and the other guy has been run off into the woods by whomever.

    2. A state trooper was involved. The parts where he says "state trooper" were taken out (if he indeed is saying that, then I think it's been edited out in two places) and he again was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The state trooper was after these guys, he saw it or got swept up into it, and he's now confused by the situation. This one is more far-fetched, but not necessarily fantastic.

    Either case explains why he's disappeared. Because it seems in either case, he's dealing with someone who has made people disappear before.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Jessie you'll have to file an official freedom of information request. You could also try having the family request it for you. -TCG

    Jessie you'll have to file an official freedom of information request. You could also try having the family request it for you.
    -TCG

  • Alice

    Alice Texas

    [quote=Sean] ABILENE. Sheesh. Major west Texas city. Hour and a half north of Bronte ("Bron-tay") on highway 277. Driven right through it several times. [/quote] NOPE. My ex owns a ranch in Bronte, I've been there tons of times, it's BRONTE, one syllable. It should be Bron-tay, but it's actually Brawnt. It's the weird Texas thing where streets and cities are pronounced so different than they should be. Examples include but are definitely not limited to: Boerne (pronounced "Burney") Bissonet Street in Houston, pronounced bissonette, instead of "Bissoney" as it should be, and Manor, pronounced with a long A, like May-ner. I think an important aspect of this case is what a nothing town Bronte is. It's like...3 neighborhoods and a juvenile correctional facility? The correctional facility is new-ish I think, too, although it predates this incident. They don't even have a grocery store there, just a really big convenience store. Who are all these people who might have been picking him up/chasing him/shooting at him? There is literally nothing happening in Bronte at any given time. It's one of those places where they roll the sidewalks up at 6pm.

    Sean wrote:

    ABILENE. Sheesh. Major west Texas city. Hour and a half north of Bronte ("Bron-tay") on highway 277. Driven right through it several times.

    NOPE. My ex owns a ranch in Bronte, I've been there tons of times, it's BRONTE, one syllable. It should be Bron-tay, but it's actually Brawnt. It's the weird Texas thing where streets and cities are pronounced so different than they should be. Examples include but are definitely not limited to: Boerne (pronounced "Burney") Bissonet Street in Houston, pronounced bissonette, instead of "Bissoney" as it should be, and Manor, pronounced with a long A, like May-ner. I think an important aspect of this case is what a nothing town Bronte is. It's like...3 neighborhoods and a juvenile correctional facility? The correctional facility is new-ish I think, too, although it predates this incident. They don't even have a grocery store there, just a really big convenience store. Who are all these people who might have been picking him up/chasing him/shooting at him? There is literally nothing happening in Bronte at any given time. It's one of those places where they roll the sidewalks up at 6pm.

  • Abby

    Abby Hot Springs AR

    This may be far fetched but it kind of sounds like he is trying to report seeing someone. Someone that he has see more than once. Possibly someone that is wanted for a crime. And maybe that criminal had something to do with Lawson's dispearance to keep himself hidden. I would suggest looking up wanted people with that last name that is similar to "staper" or whatever he said.

    This may be far fetched but it kind of sounds like he is trying to report seeing someone. Someone that he has see more than once. Possibly someone that is wanted for a crime. And maybe that criminal had something to do with Lawson's dispearance to keep himself hidden. I would suggest looking up wanted people with that last name that is similar to "staper" or whatever he said.

  • Traci Francisco

    Traci Francisco Texas

    It's 3 am and I can't sleep so I was listening to this podcast and decided to try my hand at deciphering the 911 tape. Here is what I believe Brandon said. "Yes, I'm in the middle of a field and 'staper? (could this be a combo of state trooper that he muddled in his panicked state?) is pushing guys over. They're out here going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There's one care here. Guy chased us (or he said Got chased) into the woods. Please hurry." Then he says, "Got one guy talking to 'em. I accidently ran into 'em." Then says, "They shot the first guy." When they operator asks if he needs an ambulance, he responds "No, I need the cops." For me, this was relatively easy to decipher once I listened to it a couple times. The only word I couldn't get was the word in the first sentence.

    It's 3 am and I can't sleep so I was listening to this podcast and decided to try my hand at deciphering the 911 tape. Here is what I believe Brandon said.

    "Yes, I'm in the middle of a field and 'staper? (could this be a combo of state trooper that he muddled in his panicked state?) is pushing guys over. They're out here going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There's one care here. Guy chased us (or he said Got chased) into the woods. Please hurry."

    Then he says, "Got one guy talking to 'em. I accidently ran into 'em." Then says, "They shot the first guy."

    When they operator asks if he needs an ambulance, he responds "No, I need the cops."

    For me, this was relatively easy to decipher once I listened to it a couple times. The only word I couldn't get was the word in the first sentence.

  • Traci Francisco

    Traci Francisco Texas

    I wish it were possible to edit your own comments on this site. In my comment above, I meant to say "My truck ran out of gas. There's one CAR here." not care.

    I wish it were possible to edit your own comments on this site. In my comment above, I meant to say "My truck ran out of gas. There's one CAR here." not care.

  • Todd

    Todd

    I believe he is saying State Trooper but I cannot get over the fact that there would be radio communication between the Trooper and dispatch if he were just about to or just pulled someone over. Unless it was a corrupt Trooper who didn't radio the stop in. The radio traffic and/or logs would be easy to check to see if there were any stops or Trooper/Police activity in that area during that time frame. Also, I am ruling out that he said "sniper". By definition, a sniper picks people off from a distance, not from a few feet. There was suggestion that a "sniper" was pushing people over (to the ground). He would not have used the word sniper to describe that activity. I wish I had the answers to this case and I wish the 911 call was longer as that may have given more clues.

    I believe he is saying State Trooper but I cannot get over the fact that there would be radio communication between the Trooper and dispatch if he were just about to or just pulled someone over. Unless it was a corrupt Trooper who didn't radio the stop in. The radio traffic and/or logs would be easy to check to see if there were any stops or Trooper/Police activity in that area during that time frame. Also, I am ruling out that he said "sniper". By definition, a sniper picks people off from a distance, not from a few feet. There was suggestion that a "sniper" was pushing people over (to the ground). He would not have used the word sniper to describe that activity. I wish I had the answers to this case and I wish the 911 call was longer as that may have given more clues.

  • Mitch37

    Mitch37

    I just listened to this podcast, it's chilling. Using the different interpretations of the 911 call I feel like he was giving his location at the beginning. "I'm in the middle of a field and _______, right here going towards Abilene on both sides." He is talking about the field on both sides of the road. He also told his brother he was 10 min up the road. If you look just south of Bronte on 227, about 2 miles north of where his truck was found, there is a large field on both sides of the road. I think this is where he was standing when he made the call and was attempting to give his location. If he was walking towards town at night, this would be about 10 min up the road. There is also a wooded area on the southeast side of this field that someone could potentially run to on foot.

    I just listened to this podcast, it's chilling. Using the different interpretations of the 911 call I feel like he was giving his location at the beginning. "I'm in the middle of a field and _______, right here going towards Abilene on both sides." He is talking about the field on both sides of the road. He also told his brother he was 10 min up the road. If you look just south of Bronte on 227, about 2 miles north of where his truck was found, there is a large field on both sides of the road. I think this is where he was standing when he made the call and was attempting to give his location. If he was walking towards town at night, this would be about 10 min up the road. There is also a wooded area on the southeast side of this field that someone could potentially run to on foot.

  • Frank

    Frank Oklahoma

    Maybe instead if "Abiline" he was saying "heading towards 'a building' ..." There are buildings around that area where hus truck was found. He may have also said "a ravene on both sides" There is a tunnel near where his truck was found. Maybe poor reception was from being underground and both sides was from people coming at him from both ends of the tunnel.

    Maybe instead if "Abiline" he was saying "heading towards 'a building' ..."

    There are buildings around that area where hus truck was found.

    He may have also said "a ravene on both sides"

    There is a tunnel near where his truck was found. Maybe poor reception was from being underground and both sides was from people coming at him from both ends of the tunnel.

  • Jenna

    Jenna Ct

    [quote=Vince G] Hi everyone. Professional transcriber and amateur true crime fan here. I think I've made a break in transcription. I'm almost positive he says "Waddunout talkin' to 'em" and not anything about "we're not talking to 'em." It fits his dialect and is a more colloquial way to say "I wasn't out talking to them." In my opinion, he's alone at this moment and isn't mentioning "we're." Based on this, I'm almost certain he (whether it is imagined, drug-fueled hallucinations, or real) ran out of gas, flagged some guys down to help, and they chased him into a field. I don't agree that they are necessarily gunshots at the end (although they may be distant shots), because audio can crackle or pop with any background sound sources or if he puts the phone in his pocket or rubs the microphone of the phone. That said, he could very easily be saying, "I'm in the middle of a field at State Bridge, he's pushing guys over it." In that sense, he came up on some guys pushing people off a bridge and they chased him (killing the witness). I do hear a distinct sound after the R in "over," and if it's anything, it's the word "it." That's too conspiracy-theory, suspense movie for me, so the more likely explanation is drugs and hallucinations, followed by flagging down a couple bad dudes. It's very odd that an apparent engine or machine sound appears at the end, though. I can't explain that. However, the way I've transcribed it leaves no room for talking about "shot the first guy." I believe naturally, he's responding to her question and not starting a new statement about shooting anyone. "Ah, you ran into 'em?" "Just the first guy." I feel that if he witness a shooting, that would be much more pronounced throughout this - imagine if you had witnessed a shooting. It wouldn't be so causally said in a brief statement, "Oh, yeah, by the way, he shot the first guy." I also don't know if it's "State Bridge" or another bridge or some sort of ridge. Locals might know if there's something called "Stipe Ridge" or something that doesn't show up on maps. I'm more inclined to think it's a ridge because his truck was found fairly far south of the Colorado River bridge, although a close enough distance if he had been moving for a while. Again, in this scenario, he's almost certainly giving his location first so he can be found, as you and I would. Imagine saying, "Hello, I'm at xyz location, and here's what happened." We see this all the time in 911 calls - "Hello, I'm at Sandy Hook Elementary School and..." is an example of this. Brandon knows that he needs to let 911 know where he is, and then say what happened, in my opinion. (I'm at this location, and I just pulled some guys over.) (Operator) 911 emergency. (Brandon) Yes, I'm in the middle of the field at State Bridge just pulled some guys over. We're out here goin' towards Abilene on Bronte sides. My truck ran outta gas. There's one car here, a guy's chasin' me into the woods. Please hurry. (Operator) Ok, now run that by me one... (Brandon) Wuddunout talkin' to 'em. I totally ran into 'em. (Operator) Ah, you ran into 'em. Ok. --Odd, abrupt background sound or edited cut-- (Brandon) Just the first guy. (Operator) You need an ambulance? (Brandon) I, I, I'm...Yeah, no I need the cops. (Operator) Ok, is anybody hurt? Hello? Hello? (sound of engine and audio cracks) [/quote] Or if none were reported in the area due to the fact that somehow they were involved are we able to place the troopers who were working at certain locations

    Vince G wrote:

    Hi everyone. Professional transcriber and amateur true crime fan here. I think I've made a break in transcription. I'm almost positive he says "Waddunout talkin' to 'em" and not anything about "we're not talking to 'em." It fits his dialect and is a more colloquial way to say "I wasn't out talking to them." In my opinion, he's alone at this moment and isn't mentioning "we're."

    Based on this, I'm almost certain he (whether it is imagined, drug-fueled hallucinations, or real) ran out of gas, flagged some guys down to help, and they chased him into a field. I don't agree that they are necessarily gunshots at the end (although they may be distant shots), because audio can crackle or pop with any background sound sources or if he puts the phone in his pocket or rubs the microphone of the phone.

    That said, he could very easily be saying, "I'm in the middle of a field at State Bridge, he's pushing guys over it." In that sense, he came up on some guys pushing people off a bridge and they chased him (killing the witness). I do hear a distinct sound after the R in "over," and if it's anything, it's the word "it." That's too conspiracy-theory, suspense movie for me, so the more likely explanation is drugs and hallucinations, followed by flagging down a couple bad dudes. It's very odd that an apparent engine or machine sound appears at the end, though. I can't explain that.

    However, the way I've transcribed it leaves no room for talking about "shot the first guy." I believe naturally, he's responding to her question and not starting a new statement about shooting anyone. "Ah, you ran into 'em?" "Just the first guy." I feel that if he witness a shooting, that would be much more pronounced throughout this - imagine if you had witnessed a shooting. It wouldn't be so causally said in a brief statement, "Oh, yeah, by the way, he shot the first guy."

    I also don't know if it's "State Bridge" or another bridge or some sort of ridge. Locals might know if there's something called "Stipe Ridge" or something that doesn't show up on maps. I'm more inclined to think it's a ridge because his truck was found fairly far south of the Colorado River bridge, although a close enough distance if he had been moving for a while.

    Again, in this scenario, he's almost certainly giving his location first so he can be found, as you and I would. Imagine saying, "Hello, I'm at xyz location, and here's what happened." We see this all the time in 911 calls - "Hello, I'm at Sandy Hook Elementary School and..." is an example of this. Brandon knows that he needs to let 911 know where he is, and then say what happened, in my opinion. (I'm at this location, and I just pulled some guys over.)

    (Operator) 911 emergency.
    (Brandon) Yes, I'm in the middle of the field at State Bridge just pulled some guys over. We're out here goin' towards Abilene on Bronte sides. My truck ran outta gas. There's one car here, a guy's chasin' me into the woods. Please hurry.
    (Operator) Ok, now run that by me one...
    (Brandon) Wuddunout talkin' to 'em. I totally ran into 'em.
    (Operator) Ah, you ran into 'em. Ok.
    --Odd, abrupt background sound or edited cut--
    (Brandon) Just the first guy.
    (Operator) You need an ambulance?
    (Brandon) I, I, I'm...Yeah, no I need the cops.
    (Operator) Ok, is anybody hurt? Hello? Hello?
    (sound of engine and audio cracks)


    Or if none were reported in the area due to the fact that somehow they were involved are we able to place the troopers who were working at certain locations

  • Aubrey

    Aubrey L.A.

    I've been a musician for over 20 years. I have a great ear. This is what Brandon says: "Yes, I'm in the middle of a field, a staper (state trooper) just threw some guy(s) over it, right here goin towards Abiline on both sides... my truck ran out of gas, there's one car here, got chased through the woods... please hurry... (went up) talkin' to him... Uh, I totally ran into him... (sta)per shot the first guy...No, I need the cops." (three gunshots w/silencer). Brandon is in a state of shock, and disbelief, as if he can't believe what he just saw. Because he's being chased, he gets to the point right away: 1) Where he is, 2) What he just saw. He saw an officer he thought could help him. 3) How he walked right into the crime scene. When he got close enough, he must have seen the crime in progress. The chase begins. Likely another Trooper chases him down. Brandon is buried on private land, owned by someone who is close to the State Troopers or is related to the killer Trooper(s).

    I've been a musician for over 20 years. I have a great ear. This is what Brandon says: "Yes, I'm in the middle of a field, a staper (state trooper) just threw some guy(s) over it, right here goin towards Abiline on both sides... my truck ran out of gas, there's one car here, got chased through the woods... please hurry... (went up) talkin' to him... Uh, I totally ran into him... (sta)per shot the first guy...No, I need the cops." (three gunshots w/silencer). Brandon is in a state of shock, and disbelief, as if he can't believe what he just saw. Because he's being chased, he gets to the point right away: 1) Where he is, 2) What he just saw. He saw an officer he thought could help him. 3) How he walked right into the crime scene. When he got close enough, he must have seen the crime in progress. The chase begins. Likely another Trooper chases him down. Brandon is buried on private land, owned by someone who is close to the State Troopers or is related to the killer Trooper(s).

  • NJenn

    NJenn Boston

    I would bet good money that he says 'I accidentally ran into him (maybe 'em).' The first syllable of 'accidentally' sounds far away or garbled but that's definitely what I hear. Not that that is drastically different than 'totally ran into him,' but it just jumps out at me so clearly. I'm also very perplexed by 'staper.' I have a hard time believing that, if we are hearing an unedited version, that is Brandon accidentally smushing the words 'state' and 'trooper' together. It just doesn't seem a likely mistake to me, especially considering it's one of the more pertinent bits of the information he is trying to convey. On the other hand, I also have a very hard time believing that, if the recording was edited to alter that word (and I would assume ease any suspicion of the police) that they would edit it in the way that we hear it. If it was originally 'state trooper,' why not cut that out entirely? why leave (what sounds like) the first three letters of 'state' and the last three letters of 'trooper'? Not really mastering the art of disguise there.

    I would bet good money that he says 'I accidentally ran into him (maybe 'em).' The first syllable of 'accidentally' sounds far away or garbled but that's definitely what I hear. Not that that is drastically different than 'totally ran into him,' but it just jumps out at me so clearly.

    I'm also very perplexed by 'staper.' I have a hard time believing that, if we are hearing an unedited version, that is Brandon accidentally smushing the words 'state' and 'trooper' together. It just doesn't seem a likely mistake to me, especially considering it's one of the more pertinent bits of the information he is trying to convey. On the other hand, I also have a very hard time believing that, if the recording was edited to alter that word (and I would assume ease any suspicion of the police) that they would edit it in the way that we hear it. If it was originally 'state trooper,' why not cut that out entirely? why leave (what sounds like) the first three letters of 'state' and the last three letters of 'trooper'? Not really mastering the art of disguise there.

  • Nic

    Nic MA

    I just read the comment above that posits he is saying 'sniper' which I had never considered but is really interesting. Not sure that makes sense with 'pushed over' or whatever he says next, but it makes more sense than 'staper' or 'sniper.' I thought you guys did an awesome job with this one-- you really brought some new insight to the table for me. When I listen to the 911 call I get involuntarily teary-eyed and that hair-standing-on-end feeling. Every time. It just spooks me. Before I listened to your podcast I was leaning towards the theory that he was potentially high on meth. I have no evidence of this and I hate when people make judgements like this without the benefit of evidence, but this phone call instantly reminded me of the 911 calls made by a young couple from Minnesota who became stranded in a blizzard while high on meth. They weren't known addicts, but they were high when they died. The 911 call will haunt me for life. They could not adequately convey their location. They were talking about seeing men speaking a foreign language who were putting car parts in trees. As it turned out they were in a pasture or something and the 'men' were cows. The couple froze to death. Now I know that Brandon's 911 tape is nowhere near that convoluted, but something about it just instantly rang the same bell. I also read that he was working insanely long hours. That doesn't mean anything of course, but they used to give substances chemically similar to meth to soldiers during the world wars to keep them alert when they should otherwise have been physically exhausted. And though his past was his past, the warrant that is pertinent to Brandon's story was drug-related. So basically that 911 call gave me a gut feeling and I jumped to conclusions. And the came your podcast. I'm looking at it differently now. I had previously dismissed the 'got pulled over by a statey or by a civilian and foul play ensued' theory because i just have a hard time believing there wasn't a shred of evidence left behind from this incident. If a state strooper or anyone else went missing or was harmed in the process I feel it would have been uncovered by now. BUT, I always imagined this scenario taking place in the vicinity of his truck. What if, as people have suggested, he started walking to get gas. He gets a ways away and encounters something shady. Listening to the call with this in mind I now think he's saying that he has happened upon something dangerous, that he's not 'talking to 'em' but that he 'accidentally (actually?) ran into 'em' -- not ran into them with a vehicle but stumbled upon them while walking to get gas. Whoever they were, they were up to no good and he's trying not to engage them but he needs help from law enforcement because things are getting tense. I don't know why I think I hear 'chased the b*tch into the woods' but there's definitely something about chasing someone into the woods. I can't explain 'staper' within the context of this theory but if he encountered a menacing state trooper, I just can't imagine him requesting the assistance of more cops. And if the state trooper wasn't menacing but was the target of some menacing third party civilian, why did said state trooper never report the incident? He surely didn't go missing as well because that would have been big news. Finally, whatever happened, either due to a chance encounter with bad guys or a bad meth trip-- where is the body? If he died of exposure while high on meth he didn't bury himself in his death throes. And although it's possible-- those would have to be some lucky ass bad guys who have to kill some random passerby and then manage to seamlessly conceal the body and not leave behind a shred of evidence that we know of.

    I just read the comment above that posits he is saying 'sniper' which I had never considered but is really interesting. Not sure that makes sense with 'pushed over' or whatever he says next, but it makes more sense than 'staper' or 'sniper.'
    I thought you guys did an awesome job with this one-- you really brought some new insight to the table for me.
    When I listen to the 911 call I get involuntarily teary-eyed and that hair-standing-on-end feeling. Every time. It just spooks me.
    Before I listened to your podcast I was leaning towards the theory that he was potentially high on meth. I have no evidence of this and I hate when people make judgements like this without the benefit of evidence, but this phone call instantly reminded me of the 911 calls made by a young couple from Minnesota who became stranded in a blizzard while high on meth. They weren't known addicts, but they were high when they died. The 911 call will haunt me for life. They could not adequately convey their location. They were talking about seeing men speaking a foreign language who were putting car parts in trees. As it turned out they were in a pasture or something and the 'men' were cows. The couple froze to death. Now I know that Brandon's 911 tape is nowhere near that convoluted, but something about it just instantly rang the same bell. I also read that he was working insanely long hours. That doesn't mean anything of course, but they used to give substances chemically similar to meth to soldiers during the world wars to keep them alert when they should otherwise have been physically exhausted. And though his past was his past, the warrant that is pertinent to Brandon's story was drug-related. So basically that 911 call gave me a gut feeling and I jumped to conclusions.

    And the came your podcast.
    I'm looking at it differently now. I had previously dismissed the 'got pulled over by a statey or by a civilian and foul play ensued' theory because i just have a hard time believing there wasn't a shred of evidence left behind from this incident. If a state strooper or anyone else went missing or was harmed in the process I feel it would have been uncovered by now. BUT, I always imagined this scenario taking place in the vicinity of his truck. What if, as people have suggested, he started walking to get gas. He gets a ways away and encounters something shady. Listening to the call with this in mind I now think he's saying that he has happened upon something dangerous, that he's not 'talking to 'em' but that he 'accidentally (actually?) ran into 'em' -- not ran into them with a vehicle but stumbled upon them while walking to get gas. Whoever they were, they were up to no good and he's trying not to engage them but he needs help from law enforcement because things are getting tense. I don't know why I think I hear 'chased the b*tch into the woods' but there's definitely something about chasing someone into the woods. I can't explain 'staper' within the context of this theory but if he encountered a menacing state trooper, I just can't imagine him requesting the assistance of more cops. And if the state trooper wasn't menacing but was the target of some menacing third party civilian, why did said state trooper never report the incident? He surely didn't go missing as well because that would have been big news.
    Finally, whatever happened, either due to a chance encounter with bad guys or a bad meth trip-- where is the body? If he died of exposure while high on meth he didn't bury himself in his death throes. And although it's possible-- those would have to be some lucky ass bad guys who have to kill some random passerby and then manage to seamlessly conceal the body and not leave behind a shred of evidence that we know of.

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous

    Just listened to these episodes yesterday. This is so sad 😢 I cant stop listening to his 911 call, everytime I listen to this I feel like I hear something different. I hope we can get some answers for this family. This case is really bothering me 🙁

    Just listened to these episodes yesterday. This is so sad 😢 I cant stop listening to his 911 call, everytime I listen to this I feel like I hear something different. I hope we can get some answers for this family. This case is really bothering me 🙁

  • Shayna

    Shayna New York

    What it sounds like to me, just writing the Brandon parts (I don't think there was another person with him as some have speculated). Yes I'm in the middle of the field a skyper just pushed some guys over, there out here going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas, there's one car here, got chased into the woods, please hurry. Please I'm not talking, I just ran into 'em. Yes the first guy, that guy starts. No I need the cops.

    What it sounds like to me, just writing the Brandon parts (I don't think there was another person with him as some have speculated).

    Yes I'm in the middle of the field a skyper just pushed some guys over, there out here going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas, there's one car here, got chased into the woods, please hurry. Please I'm not talking, I just ran into 'em. Yes the first guy, that guy starts. No I need the cops.

  • Chris

    Chris Abilene Tx

    He is definitely saying Abilene, 277 is the main road between the two cities. Anyone in the area would know what he was saying at that part of the call “direction wise”.

    He is definitely saying Abilene, 277 is the main road between the two cities. Anyone in the area would know what he was saying at that part of the call “direction wise”.

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous

    Bronte is also the only place between Abilene and San Angelo where one could get gas, it really is very desolate out there.

    Bronte is also the only place between Abilene and San Angelo where one could get gas, it really is very desolate out there.

  • ND

    ND Chicago, IL

    I have a slightly different take on what he is saying later in the call. I wrote it out before the podcast, updated with what makes sense during the podcast's analysis. I try to explain my thinking in the statement in parentheses and in a comment below. "Yes I'm in the middle of a field a "staper" just threw two guys over (the Colorado river bridge on State (277), presumably) They'were (or we'were) out here going towards Abilene, on both sides (of the road, or each side of the bridge) My truck ran out of gas There's one car here this guy chased me through the woods Please hurry When I's talking to him, I turned'n ran into 'em (the woods). Just the first guy. Yeah(or a sigh of dismay, perhaps they caught up to him) ...No, I need the cops." Based entirely on his statements (and what it sounds like to me), I think he abandoned his truck once it ran out of gas, walked north on 277 (called his brother as he did so), saw one or more guys engaged in some shady business at the bridge that crosses the Colorado river, ran east through the woods just south of the river and into the open field, called 911, and that is when one or both of the guy's caught up to him. It may also be the case that one or more of his later statements was in response to these guys. For instance, when he said "just the first guy". The faint "he is hurt" may have been a statement one guy said to the other once they got to Brandon. The distant gun shots, if that is what they were, were likely aimed at Brandon. Not sure when he called his brother again for the call that was breaking up and he was bleeding...from a trunk? This is so sad. I saw an image of the search area (overlayed on a google map image). The searched areas are all south of where I think Brandon was when he had a run in with the other people, near the river.

    I have a slightly different take on what he is saying later in the call. I wrote it out before the podcast, updated with what makes sense during the podcast's analysis. I try to explain my thinking in the statement in parentheses and in a comment below.

    "Yes I'm in the middle of a field a "staper" just threw two guys over (the Colorado river bridge on State (277), presumably)
    They'were (or we'were) out here going towards Abilene, on both sides (of the road, or each side of the bridge)
    My truck ran out of gas
    There's one car here this guy chased me through the woods
    Please hurry
    When I's talking to him, I turned'n ran into 'em (the woods).
    Just the first guy.
    Yeah(or a sigh of dismay, perhaps they caught up to him) ...No, I need the cops."

    Based entirely on his statements (and what it sounds like to me), I think he abandoned his truck once it ran out of gas, walked north on 277 (called his brother as he did so), saw one or more guys engaged in some shady business at the bridge that crosses the Colorado river, ran east through the woods just south of the river and into the open field, called 911, and that is when one or both of the guy's caught up to him. It may also be the case that one or more of his later statements was in response to these guys. For instance, when he said "just the first guy". The faint "he is hurt" may have been a statement one guy said to the other once they got to Brandon. The distant gun shots, if that is what they were, were likely aimed at Brandon. Not sure when he called his brother again for the call that was breaking up and he was bleeding...from a trunk?

    This is so sad. I saw an image of the search area (overlayed on a google map image). The searched areas are all south of where I think Brandon was when he had a run in with the other people, near the river.

  • Edm

    Edm Dallas

    I hear this and to me it does sound like he is intoxicated AND scared at the same time: "Yes, I am in the middle of a field." "A staper ( I think he means a-state-trooper but he is combining it) just preaching (I think he mixed up pulling and pushing and it came out all slurred) people over, right here going towards Abilene on both sides." "My truck ran out of gas." "We're (or thier) going for it here guys chasin' into the woods; please hurry." This is the point where I believe he is with another person and starts to have a conversation with them and not the dispatcher anymore. He says someone's name like "Kyle (?), I'm not talking to them. I totally ran into them!" *some other person speaks in the background* "They got (or that's) the first guy." *loud noise* "Yeah, no I need the cops."

    I hear this and to me it does sound like he is intoxicated AND scared at the same time:
    "Yes, I am in the middle of a field."
    "A staper ( I think he means a-state-trooper but he is combining it) just preaching (I think he mixed up pulling and pushing and it came out all slurred) people over, right here going towards Abilene on both sides."
    "My truck ran out of gas."
    "We're (or thier) going for it here guys chasin' into the woods; please hurry."
    This is the point where I believe he is with another person and starts to have a conversation with them and not the dispatcher anymore. He says someone's name like "Kyle (?), I'm not talking to them. I totally ran into them!"
    *some other person speaks in the background*
    "They got (or that's) the first guy."
    *loud noise*
    "Yeah, no I need the cops."

  • Aralia

    Aralia Austin

    I don't think Brandon says "I totally run into them" I believe he says "fine. shot him if you need to". Then he says "he shot the first guy"

    I don't think Brandon says "I totally run into them" I believe he says "fine. shot him if you need to". Then he says "he shot the first guy"

  • Mark

    Mark Austin

    Being from Texas and having a ton of family in San Angelo and Abilene, I was able to piece together most of what he was saying. He is basically saying that the DPS (State Troopers) had a checkpoint setup and were checking cars going both ways. Am guessing that Lawson was either drunk or high and freaked when he saw the checkpoint because they were most likely running license checks and he had an outstanding warrant. Apparently his truck ran out of gas at a point overlooking the checkpoint. Maybe he tried to swing a U-turn and hit someone coming down the road. Am thinking maybe he was concerned that the DPS officers would have seen the accident and would come check it out, he was DWI and had warrant. So he ran into the field. It is very strange and I think he was probably on massive drugs. The DPS officers in that area are not murderers and the people are very decent. I think he probably freaked out and ran deep into the brush somewhere, probably did some more drugs, stumbled, got hurt badly and the boars got him. The more you listen, the more confused you get.

    Being from Texas and having a ton of family in San Angelo and Abilene, I was able to piece together most of what he was saying. He is basically saying that the DPS (State Troopers) had a checkpoint setup and were checking cars going both ways. Am guessing that Lawson was either drunk or high and freaked when he saw the checkpoint because they were most likely running license checks and he had an outstanding warrant. Apparently his truck ran out of gas at a point overlooking the checkpoint. Maybe he tried to swing a U-turn and hit someone coming down the road. Am thinking maybe he was concerned that the DPS officers would have seen the accident and would come check it out, he was DWI and had warrant. So he ran into the field. It is very strange and I think he was probably on massive drugs. The DPS officers in that area are not murderers and the people are very decent. I think he probably freaked out and ran deep into the brush somewhere, probably did some more drugs, stumbled, got hurt badly and the boars got him. The more you listen, the more confused you get.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Mark that's a great theory. I would believe that there would have been record of a check point in the area of where he went missing. I'm guessing, Nic

    Mark that's a great theory. I would believe that there would have been record of a check point in the area of where he went missing. I'm guessing, Nic

  • Jason

    Jason Gainesville, FL

    Sounds to me like he was walking towards Abilene on 277 to find some gas and stumbled upon a car, as he was crossing the bridge (Colorado river below). He went up to the car to ask for help, but probably noticed some sort of criminal activity; my guess being that someone was trying to dispose a dead body off the bridge and into the river. I think Brandon was at the wrong place and the wrong time and was killed because he saw too much. In Maura Murray style here are the coordinates where I would guess his body is: 31°50'52.0"N 100°17'31.7"W

    Sounds to me like he was walking towards Abilene on 277 to find some gas and stumbled upon a car, as he was crossing the bridge (Colorado river below). He went up to the car to ask for help, but probably noticed some sort of criminal activity; my guess being that someone was trying to dispose a dead body off the bridge and into the river. I think Brandon was at the wrong place and the wrong time and was killed because he saw too much. In Maura Murray style here are the coordinates where I would guess his body is:
    31°50'52.0"N 100°17'31.7"W

  • GRH

    GRH Rome, GA

    You guys are listening to this with a NORTHERN/MIDWEST inflection on words. Must listen to the 911 with SOUTHERN inflection on words. *Middle of field *....pushed guys over *(inaudible) guardrail on both sides (the 'g' you here) *My truck ran out of gas *One car here *I got chased into the woods *Please hurry *one guy....talkin' to 'em (him) (In south, him and them are often spoken as 'em) *I totally ran into 'em (them) *shot the first guy *(breathe out/exhale) that guys hurt (behind her asking if he needs an ambulance) *No I need the cops *Hear a breath, click and car passing by on a road

    You guys are listening to this with a NORTHERN/MIDWEST inflection on words. Must listen to the 911 with SOUTHERN inflection on words.

    *Middle of field
    *....pushed guys over
    *(inaudible) guardrail on both sides (the 'g' you here)
    *My truck ran out of gas
    *One car here
    *I got chased into the woods
    *Please hurry
    *one guy....talkin' to 'em (him) (In south, him and them are often spoken as 'em)
    *I totally ran into 'em (them)
    *shot the first guy
    *(breathe out/exhale) that guys hurt (behind her asking if he needs an ambulance)
    *No I need the cops
    *Hear a breath, click and car passing by on a road

  • Lottie

    Lottie Texas

    Ive been through this particular stretch of highway many times and I am 100 percent sure he is saying "towards abilene" (pronounced abb- uh-lean) that highway runs through bronte (pronounced bron-Tay) and will go straight into abilene from san Angelo.

    Ive been through this particular stretch of highway many times and I am 100 percent sure he is saying "towards abilene" (pronounced abb- uh-lean) that highway runs through bronte (pronounced bron-Tay) and will go straight into abilene from san Angelo.

  • Ashleigh

    Ashleigh Texas

    This is the first episode that really creeped me out. He is definitely saying "Abilene." I drove this route not too long ago and all I could think about was Brandon. Thanks for the story, guys. You're the best.

    This is the first episode that really creeped me out.

    He is definitely saying "Abilene." I drove this route not too long ago and all I could think about was Brandon.

    Thanks for the story, guys. You're the best.

  • Alexis

    Alexis Massachusetts

    Here's what I hear: 911: 911 Emergency BL to 911: Yes I'm in the middle of a field escape or [or "scaper" or "staper"] just [inaudible, but I hear something with a long "e" sound, e.g. "preach" or "breech"; I don't hear "pushed" or "pulled"] some guys over. Right here goin' toward Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There's one car [or "guy"] here that got [or maybe "the guy"] chased it to [or "into"; this part is choppy and is a place where I feel there was a bit of static or possibly a cut in the audio] the woods. Please hurry. 911: Ok, now, run that by me one more BL to 911: And we're not talking to him [or 'em]. I totally ran into him. 911: Ah, you ran into him. OK. BL to 911: Got [or "shot" or "just"] the first guy. 911: Do you need an ambulance? // BL (speaking to unidentified person on his end): (Brandon breathing) That guy's (inaudible) Unidentified person on BL's end of the call: Yeah. BL to 911: No, I need the cops. 911: Okay. Is anybody hurt? // BL: (rustling and car engine accelerating) 911: Hello? Hello? Hello? // BL: (rustling and car engine accelerating a few times)

    Here's what I hear:
    911: 911 Emergency
    BL to 911: Yes I'm in the middle of a field escape or [or "scaper" or "staper"] just [inaudible, but I hear something with a long "e" sound, e.g. "preach" or "breech"; I don't hear "pushed" or "pulled"] some guys over. Right here goin' toward Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There's one car [or "guy"] here that got [or maybe "the guy"] chased it to [or "into"; this part is choppy and is a place where I feel there was a bit of static or possibly a cut in the audio] the woods. Please hurry.
    911: Ok, now, run that by me one more
    BL to 911: And we're not talking to him [or 'em]. I totally ran into him.
    911: Ah, you ran into him. OK.
    BL to 911: Got [or "shot" or "just"] the first guy.
    911: Do you need an ambulance? // BL (speaking to unidentified person on his end): (Brandon breathing) That guy's (inaudible)
    Unidentified person on BL's end of the call: Yeah.
    BL to 911: No, I need the cops.
    911: Okay. Is anybody hurt? // BL: (rustling and car engine accelerating)
    911: Hello? Hello? Hello? // BL: (rustling and car engine accelerating a few times)

  • Alexis

    Alexis Massachusetts

    We don't know exactly what happened to Brandon, but we can tell that his call references "guys" several time, so we know that he came across other people. And it seems very possible based on his call that another person was also in danger that night (either someone who was chased into the woods, or someone he saw that was hurt, or someone who was close to him while he was calling for help). So my question is -- did anyone else go missing in that area of Texas around the same time?

    We don't know exactly what happened to Brandon, but we can tell that his call references "guys" several time, so we know that he came across other people. And it seems very possible based on his call that another person was also in danger that night (either someone who was chased into the woods, or someone he saw that was hurt, or someone who was close to him while he was calling for help). So my question is -- did anyone else go missing in that area of Texas around the same time?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    That's just the thing that has made this difficult. There are no other incident reports coming from that area at that time of night. If something happened that involved others - everyone including vehicles were gone by the time the police arrived. Personally I call into question that actions of Brandon's brother and also the truck driver. - Nic

    That's just the thing that has made this difficult. There are no other incident reports coming from that area at that time of night. If something happened that involved others - everyone including vehicles were gone by the time the police arrived. Personally I call into question that actions of Brandon's brother and also the truck driver. - Nic

  • mosquito_motel

    mosquito_motel PA

    I love true crime, I recently found this show, and I've gotten hooked on stories before, but this is the first one I couldn't stop thinking about. I'm glad there are other people out there like me. I've dissected that call, no matter what he actually is saying, the entire night seems off. I've read elsewhere what we hear of the 911 call is a condensed version of the most audible parts used by law enforcement in order for the father to confirm if it was his son's voice or not (true or not, just filling in what i've read elsewhere). Even if we knew his words in the call, nothing adds up in the greater sequence of events. These are the events as I see it. I hope no one is offended, I really wish this is helpful. {timeline reference: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?239446-TX-Brandon-Lawson-26-San-Angelo-8-Aug-2013-TIMELINE-MEDIA-ONLY-NO-DISCUSSION} Common law husband Brandon, 27, works in the oilfields often 75-90 hour work weeks, 4 kids. Wife Ladessa is HS sweetheart, they first got pregnant as teenagers. In 2012? their family moves to San Angelo to be closer to work, things are stressful. August 8, 2013 - maybe a year later? Couple at home have argument. Although his brother Kyle lives 5 minutes away, Brandon calls his father to ask to stay the night. Father tells him to stay put and calm down, it’d be a 3 ½ hour drive and it was late. No drugs or alcohol seem apparent. 11:53p Brandon allegedly leaves in his truck wearing shorts and sneakers, grabs a t-shirt on the way out. It is thought he was just going for a drive to cool off, maybe go to his brother’s [11:53p-12:10a] Ladessa speaks with Brandon on the phone, both still angry, she regrets not saying I love you. Ladessa calls Kyle, her brother-in-law. 12:10a Somewhere I read that Kyle arrives at Brandon and Ladessa’s home, then also leaves...? 12: 30a Let’s say this is when the truck runs out of gas, the front of the truck is left angled partially in the traffic lane 4 ½ miles south of Bronte and the nearest rest stop, heading towards Abilene, just below the Colorado river. 12:34a Brandon calls Ladessa, no answer 12:36a Brandon tries again, no answer 12:38a Brandon calls his brother Kyle, says he’s out of gas, tells him to get gas and bring it to his truck, no other details are apparent [12:38-12:??] Kyle calls Ladessa, tells her Brandon is out of gas, they need the gas can; Ladessa leaves the gas can on her porch and leaves her cell phone to charge in her vehicle, she goes to sleep. Kyle and girlfriend go (back?) to Ladessa’s house for the gas can then head towards Brandon’s truck. No mention of where Brandon is in relation to his truck during phone call. 12:48a Brandon tries to call Ladessa a third time, no answer, her phone is in the car charging 12:54a The call to 911, allegedly Brandon. Nothing specific is conveyed in the recording. This is what I hear: 911 emergency? Yes I’m in the middle of a field. A skyper just preached some guys over. We’re out here going towards Abilene on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There’s one car here. Your guys chased him (inaudible or nothing) into the woods Please hurry. Ok, now run that by me one more time? (inaudible) [because] we’re not talking to ‘em Huuh-I totally ran into him Ah, you ran into him, ok (2nd voice barely audible in background?) Just the first guy (Pops in distance: truck driving over bridge seams? gunshots? background noise on 911 side?) Yeah-no I need the cops Is anybody hurt? Hello? Hello? Hello? Meanwhile, at some point between 12:30a and 1:10a a call is allegedly placed to 911 from a passing driver to report a truck parked dangerously on the highway and/or a stranded motorist. Deputy responds to a call. 1:10a Kyle and girlfriend arrive at Brandon’s truck 35 miles from home without filling the gas can. Deputy arrives at the scene (not sure who arrived first) No Brandon. No keys. No sign of damage to the truck. The license plate wasn’t run and no warrants were mentioned. Kyle told the Deputy, it’s my brother’s truck, he ran out of gas, we’re on our way with a gas can. Maybe Brandon started walking up the road being 1 1/2 miles from a rest stop. The cop puts the hazards on the truck, locks the doors, and leaves. (I wish they had at least pushed it off the road?) 1:1?a Kyle talks with Brandon (calls go back and forth due to dropped reception), it’s suggested Brandon might have been hiding nearby waiting for the cop to leave. 1:19a Kyle speaks with Brandon again, Brandon says he’s 10 minutes up the road (by car? By foot?) 1:??a Brandon also speaks with the girlfriend, allegedly the last time anyone heard from him alive, incoherent and/or out of breath saying, “I’m bleeding.” 1:??a Kyle and girlfriend drive up and down looking for Brandon, but there are no more signs, no calls, no texts. ?:??a At some point, a group of a dozen co-workers/friends meet up in the very early morning hours to help search. 3:??a Brandon’s phone is dead or turned off. Last ping 4 ¼ miles from the truck at Colorado River. 4:30a Ladessa wakes up, gets phone from car, sees the missed calls and texts from Brandon and Kyle. She learns Kyle couldn’t find Brandon. Neither of them are allegedly aware of the distressed call to 911. 7:00a Kyle gets gas and puts it in the truck, still where it ran out of gas. 7:?? Truck is towed. Did Brandon make the 911 call? Did he ever leave the house?

    I love true crime, I recently found this show, and I've gotten hooked on stories before, but this is the first one I couldn't stop thinking about. I'm glad there are other people out there like me.

    I've dissected that call, no matter what he actually is saying, the entire night seems off. I've read elsewhere what we hear of the 911 call is a condensed version of the most audible parts used by law enforcement in order for the father to confirm if it was his son's voice or not (true or not, just filling in what i've read elsewhere). Even if we knew his words in the call, nothing adds up in the greater sequence of events.

    These are the events as I see it. I hope no one is offended, I really wish this is helpful.

    {timeline reference: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?239446-TX-Brandon-Lawson-26-San-Angelo-8-Aug-2013-TIMELINE-MEDIA-ONLY-NO-DISCUSSION}

    Common law husband Brandon, 27, works in the oilfields often 75-90 hour work weeks, 4 kids. Wife Ladessa is HS sweetheart, they first got pregnant as teenagers. In 2012? their family moves to San Angelo to be closer to work, things are stressful.

    August 8, 2013 - maybe a year later?
    Couple at home have argument. Although his brother Kyle lives 5 minutes away, Brandon calls his father to ask to stay the night. Father tells him to stay put and calm down, it’d be a 3 ½ hour drive and it was late. No drugs or alcohol seem apparent.

    11:53p Brandon allegedly leaves in his truck wearing shorts and sneakers, grabs a t-shirt on the way out. It is thought he was just going for a drive to cool off, maybe go to his brother’s

    [11:53p-12:10a] Ladessa speaks with Brandon on the phone, both still angry, she regrets not saying I love you. Ladessa calls Kyle, her brother-in-law.

    12:10a Somewhere I read that Kyle arrives at Brandon and Ladessa’s home, then also leaves...?

    12: 30a Let’s say this is when the truck runs out of gas, the front of the truck is left angled partially in the traffic lane 4 ½ miles south of Bronte and the nearest rest stop, heading towards Abilene, just below the Colorado river.

    12:34a Brandon calls Ladessa, no answer

    12:36a Brandon tries again, no answer

    12:38a Brandon calls his brother Kyle, says he’s out of gas, tells him to get gas and bring it to his truck, no other details are apparent

    [12:38-12:??] Kyle calls Ladessa, tells her Brandon is out of gas, they need the gas can; Ladessa leaves the gas can on her porch and leaves her cell phone to charge in her vehicle, she goes to sleep. Kyle and girlfriend go (back?) to Ladessa’s house for the gas can then head towards Brandon’s truck. No mention of where Brandon is in relation to his truck during phone call.

    12:48a Brandon tries to call Ladessa a third time, no answer, her phone is in the car charging

    12:54a The call to 911, allegedly Brandon. Nothing specific is conveyed in the recording. This is what I hear:

    911 emergency?
    Yes I’m in the middle of a field.
    A skyper just preached some guys over.
    We’re out here going towards Abilene on both sides.
    My truck ran out of gas.
    There’s one car here.
    Your guys chased him (inaudible or nothing) into the woods
    Please hurry.
    Ok, now run that by me one more time?
    (inaudible) [because] we’re not talking to ‘em
    Huuh-I totally ran into him
    Ah, you ran into him, ok
    (2nd voice barely audible in background?) Just the first guy
    (Pops in distance: truck driving over bridge seams? gunshots? background noise on 911 side?)
    Yeah-no I need the cops
    Is anybody hurt? Hello? Hello? Hello?

    Meanwhile, at some point between 12:30a and 1:10a a call is allegedly placed to 911 from a passing driver to report a truck parked dangerously on the highway and/or a stranded motorist. Deputy responds to a call.

    1:10a Kyle and girlfriend arrive at Brandon’s truck 35 miles from home without filling the gas can. Deputy arrives at the scene (not sure who arrived first)

    No Brandon. No keys. No sign of damage to the truck. The license plate wasn’t run and no warrants were mentioned. Kyle told the Deputy, it’s my brother’s truck, he ran out of gas, we’re on our way with a gas can. Maybe Brandon started walking up the road being 1 1/2 miles from a rest stop. The cop puts the hazards on the truck, locks the doors, and leaves. (I wish they had at least pushed it off the road?)

    1:1?a Kyle talks with Brandon (calls go back and forth due to dropped reception), it’s suggested Brandon might have been hiding nearby waiting for the cop to leave.

    1:19a Kyle speaks with Brandon again, Brandon says he’s 10 minutes up the road (by car? By foot?)

    1:??a Brandon also speaks with the girlfriend, allegedly the last time anyone heard from him alive, incoherent and/or out of breath saying, “I’m bleeding.”

    1:??a Kyle and girlfriend drive up and down looking for Brandon, but there are no more signs, no calls, no texts.

    ?:??a At some point, a group of a dozen co-workers/friends meet up in the very early morning hours to help search.

    3:??a Brandon’s phone is dead or turned off. Last ping 4 ¼ miles from the truck at Colorado River.

    4:30a Ladessa wakes up, gets phone from car, sees the missed calls and texts from Brandon and Kyle. She learns Kyle couldn’t find Brandon. Neither of them are allegedly aware of the distressed call to 911.

    7:00a Kyle gets gas and puts it in the truck, still where it ran out of gas.

    7:?? Truck is towed.

    Did Brandon make the 911 call? Did he ever leave the house?

  • Pennie

    Pennie Houston Texas

    The part of the call where it sounds like Branden says I’m not talking to them, maybe he isn’t talking to the dispatcher. Maybe he is talking to someone there with him, stating he isn’t talking to them I.e. 911 or the cops. I believe he says Going towRd Abilene which is only about 60 miles from Bronte.

    The part of the call where it sounds like Branden says I’m not talking to them, maybe he isn’t talking to the dispatcher. Maybe he is talking to someone there with him, stating he isn’t talking to them I.e. 911 or the cops. I believe he says Going towRd Abilene which is only about 60 miles from Bronte.

  • Barbara B.

    Barbara B.

    Hey Guys, I just found your podcast and am hooked! Nic, you have a great radio voice! I don't want to analyze the recording as there are so many comments that I generally agree with. I will say the one thing that sounded clear to me was it sounded like he said, "5 and 8 year old" before the dispatcher says, "ah you ran into em". Which doesn't make sense based on the dispatcher's response but maybe she had understood him incorrectly. But that is what I heard and find it to be interesting, if that is what was said. I tried so hard to hear gun shots and the heavy metal music that was mentioned but I could not make it out. Does anyone know what the area looks like? If the road he was on was flat with no landmarks, I feel it would have been obvious to see a commotion or someone down the road (the brother and the cop that showed up to the abandon car) and that something was going on. When the cop drove down the road, where there signs of a struggle, skid marks, disturbed grass (or whatever the terrain is like). If there were state troopers involved, wouldn't we know about the incident? Meaning, if state troopers showed up to a scene where something bad was happening, wouldn't they have called it in? And if the cops where harmed, wouldn't a report have been made? I do not think Brandon saw a police car or police action simply because of this. My theory is the same as many of the comments. He ran out of gas and started walking down the road to seek assistance or find a gas station. He witnessed something bad and hid, but was found out and was murdered. (What is the weather like in Texas in August at night? ) It is so sad thinking and writing about this, I hope someday there are answers for his family.

    Hey Guys,
    I just found your podcast and am hooked! Nic, you have a great radio voice!
    I don't want to analyze the recording as there are so many comments that I generally agree with.
    I will say the one thing that sounded clear to me was it sounded like he said, "5 and 8 year old" before the dispatcher says, "ah you ran into em".
    Which doesn't make sense based on the dispatcher's response but maybe she had understood him incorrectly. But that is what I heard and find it to be interesting, if that is what was said.
    I tried so hard to hear gun shots and the heavy metal music that was mentioned but I could not make it out.
    Does anyone know what the area looks like? If the road he was on was flat with no landmarks, I feel it would have been obvious to see a commotion or someone down the road (the brother and the cop that showed up to the abandon car) and that something was going on. When the cop drove down the road, where there signs of a struggle, skid marks, disturbed grass (or whatever the terrain is like).
    If there were state troopers involved, wouldn't we know about the incident? Meaning, if state troopers showed up to a scene where something bad was happening, wouldn't they have called it in? And if the cops where harmed, wouldn't a report have been made? I do not think Brandon saw a police car or police action simply because of this.
    My theory is the same as many of the comments. He ran out of gas and started walking down the road to seek assistance or find a gas station. He witnessed something bad and hid, but was found out and was murdered.

    (What is the weather like in Texas in August at night? )
    It is so sad thinking and writing about this, I hope someday there are answers for his family.

  • anonymous

    anonymous

    It sounds like he is saying "I told him we didn't need to know em" instead of we ran into em.

    It sounds like he is saying "I told him we didn't need to know em" instead of we ran into em.

  • Maynard

    Maynard California

    These 2 episodes were the first 2 episodes I listened to from your podcast. 6 hours later I'm still trying to figure out what happened. I wish we could hear his last cell phone calls to the girlfriend. Do we know who the truck driver was that made the call? I have a feeling there's alot more to this story than what you guys fit into 2 episodes. Here's my take on what happened. I think his reasons for leaving the house in the first place was maybe due to him being high? Or drunk? Not realizing he was low on gas. I don't want to presume he was an addict but he did have a past. Maybe he was on a meth binge and was seeing things that wasn't really there. I've read that wild boars are pretty common in that area or maybe he fell into the river and drowned. My other conclusion is he stumbled into the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people. Sad story I really hope this comes to a conclusion and everyone can get answers.

    These 2 episodes were the first 2 episodes I listened to from your podcast. 6 hours later I'm still trying to figure out what happened. I wish we could hear his last cell phone calls to the girlfriend. Do we know who the truck driver was that made the call? I have a feeling there's alot more to this story than what you guys fit into 2 episodes. Here's my take on what happened. I think his reasons for leaving the house in the first place was maybe due to him being high? Or drunk? Not realizing he was low on gas. I don't want to presume he was an addict but he did have a past. Maybe he was on a meth binge and was seeing things that wasn't really there. I've read that wild boars are pretty common in that area or maybe he fell into the river and drowned. My other conclusion is he stumbled into the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people. Sad story I really hope this comes to a conclusion and everyone can get answers.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Hi Maynard, The truck driver portion of this story really has me baffled. I really feel like there could be something to that but I've never been able to really point to anything that is overly suspicious. If the answer is not foul play then I think you're likely correct, meth could be the answer. I hope you'll check out some other episodes. Lots in the catalog and we try to do shows differently from time to time. The Lawson show was much different than the others. Cheers Nic

    Hi Maynard,
    The truck driver portion of this story really has me baffled. I really feel like there could be something to that but I've never been able to really point to anything that is overly suspicious. If the answer is not foul play then I think you're likely correct, meth could be the answer. I hope you'll check out some other episodes. Lots in the catalog and we try to do shows differently from time to time. The Lawson show was much different than the others. Cheers Nic

  • Sarah

    Sarah OREGON

    I don’t know if this posted but I just added more of a description anyway!! I know I’m late to the game here, but I’m a transcriber for a living and I think I know what he’s saying: Yes I’m in the middle of a field need a stater [or/er] just send some guys over. We’re out here going towards Abeline on (Bucks Eye/ buck side/ Bronte side). My truck ran out of gas. There’s one guy here, a guy’s chasin him into the woods. Please hurry. When I’m talkin to him—guy come and ran into him. I’ve got the first guy. I’ve got— *Do you need an ambulance?” Ye—no, I need the cops. ................................ I believe Brandon’s truck ran out of gas, and a guy stopped to help push his car out of the road. Then, another person showed up and there was some sort of altercation. The second man chased the first man into the woods, and Brandon followed. At the end of the audio, you hear him approaching one of the guys and beginning to talk to him, telling the dispatcher, “I’ve got one of the guys.” At the beginning he begins to say he needs a state trooper and then decides to say “send some guys”, as in cops, “over”, telling the dispatcher he needs the cops. This is why he sounds mildly surprised when she asks if he needs an ambulance and he has to restate, “No, I need the cops.”

    I don’t know if this posted but I just added more of a description anyway!!

    I know I’m late to the game here, but I’m a transcriber for a living and I think I know what he’s saying:

    Yes I’m in the middle of a field need a stater [or/er] just send some guys over. We’re out here going towards Abeline on (Bucks Eye/ buck side/ Bronte side). My truck ran out of gas. There’s one guy here, a guy’s chasin him into the woods. Please hurry. When I’m talkin to him—guy come and ran into him. I’ve got the first guy. I’ve got—

    *Do you need an ambulance?”

    Ye—no, I need the cops.

    ................................
    I believe Brandon’s truck ran out of gas, and a guy stopped to help push his car out of the road. Then, another person showed up and there was some sort of altercation. The second man chased the first man into the woods, and Brandon followed. At the end of the audio, you hear him approaching one of the guys and beginning to talk to him, telling the dispatcher, “I’ve got one of the guys.”
    At the beginning he begins to say he needs a state trooper and then decides to say “send some guys”, as in cops, “over”, telling the dispatcher he needs the cops. This is why he sounds mildly surprised when she asks if he needs an ambulance and he has to restate, “No, I need the cops.”

  • Jessica

    Jessica Texas

    Is it possible he walked to one of the near by ranch houses out there and ran into trouble. As in the rancher/farmer thought he was up to no good. If you look at the area and know the area, there are no "woods" in a traditional sense. There is however an orchard around the Colorado river there. It sounds like he said he was going toward Abilene on the Bronte side, and maybe possibly he could see a trooper? Maybe he walked to a ranch house and encountered problems and he is saying he can see a trooper when in fact he is seeing the deputy going to check the truck? If people said they thought they could hear a truck going over a bridge it would've been right there at the Colorado river and the orchard area, also with houses out there.....I don't know, I've gone down the rabbit hole now.

    Is it possible he walked to one of the near by ranch houses out there and ran into trouble. As in the rancher/farmer thought he was up to no good. If you look at the area and know the area, there are no "woods" in a traditional sense. There is however an orchard around the Colorado river there. It sounds like he said he was going toward Abilene on the Bronte side, and maybe possibly he could see a trooper? Maybe he walked to a ranch house and encountered problems and he is saying he can see a trooper when in fact he is seeing the deputy going to check the truck? If people said they thought they could hear a truck going over a bridge it would've been right there at the Colorado river and the orchard area, also with houses out there.....I don't know, I've gone down the rabbit hole now.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Jessica - that's a great theory and one that has not been discussed that much. I love it and I think it's more plausible than several of the other theories out there. Cheers Nic

    Jessica - that's a great theory and one that has not been discussed that much. I love it and I think it's more plausible than several of the other theories out there. Cheers Nic

  • Cheyenne

    Cheyenne Texas

    To comment on the meth possibility Maynard presented, it wouldn't really surprise me if that was the case. I am from San Angelo and have 2 relatives that work for the Sheriff's Dept for Tom Green County (where San Angelo is located) and meth is definitely a huge problem there more so than any other kind of substance abuse. I don't know how likely it is for him to be a meth head.... I know he had a warrant out for a drug related offense, but if it was just a fine kind of a situation, it sounds like it was a misdemeanor at best and possession of methamphetamines are usually always treated as a felony. And I would argue that is especially true in San Angelo because it is such a problem... so not sure about that. But definitely a possibility! Also... I spent the last 20 minutes yelling "ABILENE. HE'S SAYING ABILENE." on part one. Brandon definitely has that typical West Texas draw so I understand how hard it is to decipher. But it's definitely Abilene because Highway 277 connects Abilene to Bronte then to San Angelo. It's one of the main highways out of town. I'm sure you guys have figured that out by now! :)

    To comment on the meth possibility Maynard presented, it wouldn't really surprise me if that was the case. I am from San Angelo and have 2 relatives that work for the Sheriff's Dept for Tom Green County (where San Angelo is located) and meth is definitely a huge problem there more so than any other kind of substance abuse. I don't know how likely it is for him to be a meth head.... I know he had a warrant out for a drug related offense, but if it was just a fine kind of a situation, it sounds like it was a misdemeanor at best and possession of methamphetamines are usually always treated as a felony. And I would argue that is especially true in San Angelo because it is such a problem... so not sure about that. But definitely a possibility!
    Also... I spent the last 20 minutes yelling "ABILENE. HE'S SAYING ABILENE." on part one. Brandon definitely has that typical West Texas draw so I understand how hard it is to decipher. But it's definitely Abilene because Highway 277 connects Abilene to Bronte then to San Angelo. It's one of the main highways out of town. I'm sure you guys have figured that out by now! smile

  • Bethany

    Bethany Louisiana

    I won’t speculate on what was said as I think that’s been well covered. I also realize I am pretty late to the game here, but I cannot get this case out of my head. There are so many inconsistencies and missing details. The missing persons posters have discrepancies regarding the time he was last seen. One says 1:20am, and I assume they mean this is near the time he was last heard on the 911 call. The other says 11:54pm, which I believe is the time he left his home in San Angelo. The drive to Bronte from San Angelo is 30 minutes/miles, and his truck was found 3-4 miles south of Bronte. Why did it take him almost an hour to notify his brother that he had run out of gas? Where did the father and brother live? If his brother Kyle was close to the scene of his disappearance, then I can’t understand why he would have been traveling to his father’s instead of his brother’s after the argument with his girlfriend. While I have no doubt that a small town is capable of covering up something like this, I can’t believe that all the parties involved would/could do so. A local sheriff deputy, a supposed state trooper, and a 911 dispatcher? They are all funded separately which makes coercion unlikely. I don’t believe they have concealed anything, though both the officer’s response and the dispatcher’s actions prove to incompetence. He’s either high and hallucinating, or the adrenaline is causing unclear thoughts/speech.

    I won’t speculate on what was said as I think that’s been well covered. I also realize I am pretty late to the game here, but I cannot get this case out of my head. There are so many inconsistencies and missing details. The missing persons posters have discrepancies regarding the time he was last seen. One says 1:20am, and I assume they mean this is near the time he was last heard on the 911 call. The other says 11:54pm, which I believe is the time he left his home in San Angelo. The drive to Bronte from San Angelo is 30 minutes/miles, and his truck was found 3-4 miles south of Bronte. Why did it take him almost an hour to notify his brother that he had run out of gas? Where did the father and brother live? If his brother Kyle was close to the scene of his disappearance, then I can’t understand why he would have been traveling to his father’s instead of his brother’s after the argument with his girlfriend. While I have no doubt that a small town is capable of covering up something like this, I can’t believe that all the parties involved would/could do so. A local sheriff deputy, a supposed state trooper, and a 911 dispatcher? They are all funded separately which makes coercion unlikely. I don’t believe they have concealed anything, though both the officer’s response and the dispatcher’s actions prove to incompetence. He’s either high and hallucinating, or the adrenaline is causing unclear thoughts/speech.

  • Chris

    Chris Cambridge uk

    Ok guys. I hear gun shots. Right before he says "Yeh, no I need the cops." Listen carefully, u hear a shotgun then someone say "that's guns shots." Brandon is answering the person he's is with first the the operator. So again: Operator "do u need an ambulance?" BANG* unknown voice: "That's gun shots." Brandon: "Yeh."(taking to unknown voice), then he remembers he taking to 911 operator "No, I need the cops." Really listen to the background of this moment. I am 100% he is with someone at that point and I'm guessing not someone who he fears. Maybe he is helping them.

    Ok guys. I hear gun shots.
    Right before he says "Yeh, no I need the cops."

    Listen carefully, u hear a shotgun then someone say "that's guns shots."

    Brandon is answering the person he's is with first the the operator.

    So again:

    Operator "do u need an ambulance?"

    BANG*

    unknown voice:
    "That's gun shots."

    Brandon:
    "Yeh."(taking to unknown voice), then he remembers he taking to 911 operator "No, I need the cops."

    Really listen to the background of this moment. I am 100% he is with someone at that point and I'm guessing not someone who he fears. Maybe he is helping them.

  • Chris

    Chris Cambridge uk

    Just to add another thought. Has anyone ever thought how convenient it was a trucker happened to call in his truck to 911? I would suggest maybe the officer put that call in to give him cause and reason to be out there. I mean it's a road that wouldn't need police patrolling it that late so why would he be out there? That way if he's asked he can say "Got a random call oh and while I'm here I'll search for him for you."

    Just to add another thought. Has anyone ever thought how convenient it was a trucker happened to call in his truck to 911?

    I would suggest maybe the officer put that call in to give him cause and reason to be out there. I mean it's a road that wouldn't need police patrolling it that late so why would he be out there? That way if he's asked he can say "Got a random call oh and while I'm here I'll search for him for you."

  • Betty

    Betty Wyoming

    I am a late comer to True Crime Garage. I just listened to this podcast. Here are my thoughts of the 911 tape. I am not putting in what the 911 operator is saying, that is obvious to me. I believe he sounds anxious, a little out of breath, not drunk or high, and definitely has an accent. So here is what I hear.... Yes, I’m in the middle of the (or a) field, it’s safer. Just pushed some guys over. _______ going towards __________ on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There is one car here. There is a guy chasing me through the woods. Please hurry. The guy I was talking to I totally ran into him, that’s the first guy. Yea, no I need the cops. I don’t know if he saw something happen and they didn’t want a witness or if someone stopped and started chasing him for some reason. I can only hope for his family that he can be found and give the family closure.

    I am a late comer to True Crime Garage. I just listened to this podcast. Here are my thoughts of the 911 tape. I am not putting in what the 911 operator is saying, that is obvious to me. I believe he sounds anxious, a little out of breath, not drunk or high, and definitely has an accent. So here is what I hear....

    Yes, I’m in the middle of the (or a) field, it’s safer. Just pushed some guys over. _______ going towards __________ on both sides.

    My truck ran out of gas. There is one car here. There is a guy chasing me through the woods. Please hurry.

    The guy I was talking to I totally ran into him, that’s the first guy.

    Yea, no I need the cops.

    I don’t know if he saw something happen and they didn’t want a witness or if someone stopped and started chasing him for some reason. I can only hope for his family that he can be found and give the family closure.

  • Dustin

    Dustin Nashville

    I’m not 100% on the first sentence that everyone perceives as, “Middle of the field”, so I will start with what follows: ...In fact, we're just pushing guys over Their out here goin’ towards Abilene on both sides My truck ran out of gas There's one car here, the guy chased it, to the woods Please hurry And we're not talkin' to 'em (him) That’s-how we ran into ‘em (That’s-how we got into ‘em) (That’s-when we got into ‘em) Got the first guy

    I’m not 100% on the first sentence that everyone perceives as, “Middle of the field”, so I will start with what follows:

    ...In fact, we're just pushing guys over

    Their out here goin’ towards Abilene on both sides

    My truck ran out of gas

    There's one car here, the guy chased it, to the woods

    Please hurry

    And we're not talkin' to 'em (him)

    That’s-how we ran into ‘em (That’s-how we got into ‘em) (That’s-when we got into ‘em)

    Got the first guy

  • Stu

    Stu Chicago

    "Stamper just pulled/pushed some guy over". Could he be talking about a Stamper Oil tanker, service truck or security vehicle? Stamper Oil is about 2 1/2 hrs NE of Abeline.

    "Stamper just pulled/pushed some guy over". Could he be talking about a Stamper Oil tanker, service truck or security vehicle? Stamper Oil is about 2 1/2 hrs NE of Abeline.

  • Joe

    Joe IN

    With Brandon's drawl and accent...I think he's saying "state police" and clipping the last syllable off in the first line

    With Brandon's drawl and accent...I think he's saying "state police" and clipping the last syllable off in the first line

  • Sarah

    Sarah Portland

    it's mind-boggling to me that with this 911 recording, the police didn't pursue this any further. It's obvious something really bad went down. How anyone could hear this recording and then say he ran off with another woman is beyond me. Smells like something very fishy going on. And what's weirder is the timeline - this all happened in a very short amount of time, and was even continuing through the time the police & brother were on the scene of the abandoned truck (as evident by the cell phone call to the brother). So where was all this chaos happening and how did no one not see or hear anything? I'd like to know what happened after 911 received the call - there was something obviously very bad happening on the line, and even though it wasn't a coherent message, you def get the drift that some bad shit is going down and this guy needs help. Surely they did something to try to help him / investigate further? They didn't just say "oh well we couldn't understand this guy so he's on his own" and go about their business ?? I'm afraid that is the answer since no one knew about it until the GF got the phone records. That is just tragic IMO. 911 gets a call from a man in distress and does nothing to help. SMDH This might be the most mysterious missing persons case I've learned about. And I agree with everyone else, the 911 call itself is deeply chilling and disturbing.

    it's mind-boggling to me that with this 911 recording, the police didn't pursue this any further. It's obvious something really bad went down. How anyone could hear this recording and then say he ran off with another woman is beyond me. Smells like something very fishy going on. And what's weirder is the timeline - this all happened in a very short amount of time, and was even continuing through the time the police & brother were on the scene of the abandoned truck (as evident by the cell phone call to the brother). So where was all this chaos happening and how did no one not see or hear anything?

    I'd like to know what happened after 911 received the call - there was something obviously very bad happening on the line, and even though it wasn't a coherent message, you def get the drift that some bad shit is going down and this guy needs help. Surely they did something to try to help him / investigate further? They didn't just say "oh well we couldn't understand this guy so he's on his own" and go about their business ?? I'm afraid that is the answer since no one knew about it until the GF got the phone records. That is just tragic IMO. 911 gets a call from a man in distress and does nothing to help. SMDH

    This might be the most mysterious missing persons case I've learned about. And I agree with everyone else, the 911 call itself is deeply chilling and disturbing.

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