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  • Terri

    Terri Hardwick mn

    Not even though I am not even quite through segment one, the Captain is way off base. Trying to turn around on a gravel road on a field approach is very difficult. It is also very dark at night in our area. There are no street lights, and the side road can be in very bad condition from tractors , equipment, and sprint weather. The car doors could of been open for several reasons.

    Not even though I am not even quite through segment one, the Captain is way off base. Trying to turn around on a gravel road on a field approach is very difficult. It is also very dark at night in our area. There are no street lights, and the side road can be in very bad condition from tractors , equipment, and sprint weather.
    The car doors could of been open for several reasons.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    @ Terri - I agree with all of your statements regarding the road conditions as that was my understanding of the area and roads as well after researching the case. Regarding your car door statement - I'm not sure which part of the show you're referencing but I think it may have been me (Nic) talking. I agree with you 100% the doors could have been open for an number of reasons however - I do find that to be very strange. Cheers Terri and thank you for posting. Please add anything you can - its always best to hear from someone familiar with the area of these cases. Nic

    @ Terri - I agree with all of your statements regarding the road conditions as that was my understanding of the area and roads as well after researching the case. Regarding your car door statement - I'm not sure which part of the show you're referencing but I think it may have been me (Nic) talking. I agree with you 100% the doors could have been open for an number of reasons however - I do find that to be very strange.
    Cheers Terri and thank you for posting. Please add anything you can - its always best to hear from someone familiar with the area of these cases.
    Nic

  • BJ

    BJ Iowa

    Great episode, guys! The fact that both of his car doors were opened is a little strange, but I think there might be a good explanation for it. Maybe someone came along at some point between Brandon leaving and the authorities finding the car. They might have opened the doors to see if there was anyone inside the car hurt or maybe they opened the doors to see if there was anything in there to steal. Do we know if anything was missing from his car besides the keys? How well did Brandon see at night? I'm legally blind in one eye, too, and driving at night is not easy for me. Was Brandon used to driving in the country at night? Was it something he did often? Also, they said they couldn't tell in which direction he went. Couldn't they have gone out there at night and look for the lights he had seen and go in that direction? He gave his dad some really great clues - cutting across a field and hearing water - after all.

    Great episode, guys!

    The fact that both of his car doors were opened is a little strange, but I think there might be a good explanation for it. Maybe someone came along at some point between Brandon leaving and the authorities finding the car. They might have opened the doors to see if there was anyone inside the car hurt or maybe they opened the doors to see if there was anything in there to steal. Do we know if anything was missing from his car besides the keys?

    How well did Brandon see at night? I'm legally blind in one eye, too, and driving at night is not easy for me. Was Brandon used to driving in the country at night? Was it something he did often? Also, they said they couldn't tell in which direction he went. Couldn't they have gone out there at night and look for the lights he had seen and go in that direction? He gave his dad some really great clues - cutting across a field and hearing water - after all.

  • Liz Bice

    Liz Bice

    Do we know if Brandon had any sort of night vision impairments? I'm legally blind in one eye and my night vision is not that great, and it's sometimes hard to drive at night. Also, do we know if Brandon took back roads a lot? I live in rural Iowa and I've lived in this area for 20+ years and I don't even know all the back roads and all the little gravel roads. As for the car doors being open, I wonder if someone else opened them. Maybe someone (or someones) came along after Brandon had left the car and before the authorities found it, and opened the doors and didn't bother to shut them. They could have been checking to make sure no one was inside the car, hurt, or they could have been looking for something to steal. Was there anything missing from his car? Also, I don't understand why the police couldn't figure out which way he went. Couldn't they have gone out there at night to find the lights he mentioned to his parents and go from there? Brandon did give his dad some pretty good clues about being near a field and hearing running water.

    Do we know if Brandon had any sort of night vision impairments? I'm legally blind in one eye and my night vision is not that great, and it's sometimes hard to drive at night. Also, do we know if Brandon took back roads a lot? I live in rural Iowa and I've lived in this area for 20+ years and I don't even know all the back roads and all the little gravel roads.

    As for the car doors being open, I wonder if someone else opened them. Maybe someone (or someones) came along after Brandon had left the car and before the authorities found it, and opened the doors and didn't bother to shut them. They could have been checking to make sure no one was inside the car, hurt, or they could have been looking for something to steal. Was there anything missing from his car? Also, I don't understand why the police couldn't figure out which way he went. Couldn't they have gone out there at night to find the lights he mentioned to his parents and go from there? Brandon did give his dad some pretty good clues about being near a field and hearing running water.

  • Abi

    Abi Texas

    As a former 19 yr. old "hardcore partier" you do a lot of things that don't make sense when you're young and under the influence and you mess up - you're pissed, you're frustrated, you're scared, you're doing stupid things out of time constraint and frustration and you just want the inconvenience to be settled. Also being under the influence raises your 'F' it level so making dumb decisions seems logical in the moment of panic. I do believe he slipped and fell into the nearby water he heard, if he hit his head on a rock or something going in I'm sure that was it for him, poor guy. =( If there's a part 2 I can't wait, I'd love to find out more! Love you guys!

    As a former 19 yr. old "hardcore partier" you do a lot of things that don't make sense when you're young and under the influence and you mess up - you're pissed, you're frustrated, you're scared, you're doing stupid things out of time constraint and frustration and you just want the inconvenience to be settled. Also being under the influence raises your 'F' it level so making dumb decisions seems logical in the moment of panic. I do believe he slipped and fell into the nearby water he heard, if he hit his head on a rock or something going in I'm sure that was it for him, poor guy. =( If there's a part 2 I can't wait, I'd love to find out more! Love you guys!

  • Uncle D.

    Uncle D. BFE

    Terry...your first sentence is way off base. I don't even understand it. Now as far as the car doors go: I grew up in BFE traveling roads like that and we had beater cars and trucks that always broke down and would get stuck. We never left our doors open. I don't care how drunk we were. Nic is right. Something to that.

    Terry...your first sentence is way off base. I don't even understand it.

    Now as far as the car doors go: I grew up in BFE traveling roads like that and we had beater cars and trucks that always broke down and would get stuck. We never left our doors open. I don't care how drunk we were. Nic is right. Something to that.

  • Angela

    Angela California

    This is just one of those cases that really get to you. What a frustrating situation for his parents. You know, but you don't. I pray they find him so his mother can have a measure of peace.

    This is just one of those cases that really get to you. What a frustrating situation for his parents. You know, but you don't. I pray they find him so his mother can have a measure of peace.

  • Justin

    Justin TN

    I think it was meth/cocaine. Dillusional. Just like the couple that got lost the first time they did meth. 911 audio available for reference.

    I think it was meth/cocaine. Dillusional. Just like the couple that got lost the first time they did meth. 911 audio available for reference.

  • Nicholas

    Nicholas Missouri

    I have the opposite take. I really like the Captain's comments about all the evidence of impairment (and I like the cut of his jib as well). We have a history of a previous DUI, drinking at two parties that night, trying to avoid the main highway route home, getting disoriented and significantly lost, getting stuck in a ditch, and possibly leaving the car doors open. Not to mention whatever the "pipe" was that was mentioned in several stories (somehow, I don't think we're talking plumbing supplies). We know he was drinking - we just don't clearly know the drink count. The bottom line is that IF he chose to drive under the influence, he put himself and others at risk. It's a very good reason to just drink in the garage. Cheers.

    I have the opposite take. I really like the Captain's comments about all the evidence of impairment (and I like the cut of his jib as well). We have a history of a previous DUI, drinking at two parties that night, trying to avoid the main highway route home, getting disoriented and significantly lost, getting stuck in a ditch, and possibly leaving the car doors open. Not to mention whatever the "pipe" was that was mentioned in several stories (somehow, I don't think we're talking plumbing supplies). We know he was drinking - we just don't clearly know the drink count. The bottom line is that IF he chose to drive under the influence, he put himself and others at risk. It's a very good reason to just drink in the garage. Cheers.

  • Tony

    Tony Parts Unknown

    I've only listened to the first episode, but it doesn't seem like a crime to me. It seems like a sad story of a kid that got lost in the dark and couldn't find his way to safety. I'm interested in learning more about what searches took place after the disappearance. They knew where he left his car and they would have known how long he was walking based on his conversation with his dad. He said he saw lights and heard running water. You would think they could have started at the location of the car and walked in different directions for the same length of time that he walked until they found the spot near running water and lights.

    I've only listened to the first episode, but it doesn't seem like a crime to me. It seems like a sad story of a kid that got lost in the dark and couldn't find his way to safety. I'm interested in learning more about what searches took place after the disappearance. They knew where he left his car and they would have known how long he was walking based on his conversation with his dad. He said he saw lights and heard running water. You would think they could have started at the location of the car and walked in different directions for the same length of time that he walked until they found the spot near running water and lights.

  • John

    John france

    Thats it? only 1 part or am I missing something?

    Thats it? only 1 part or am I missing something?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Part 2 is next week. We only had one episode this week due to the holiday. Thank you to all for posting here. I’m chomping at the bit for part 2 - so much stuff to get to. We’ve got a lot of our own breakdown and speculation as well. I think we can help to clean up some of the mysteries in this case. The biggest problem with Brandon’s case is there are an amazing amount of variables and outcomes. What we want to try to do is really narrow both of those down considerably. Cheers Nic

    Part 2 is next week. We only had one episode this week due to the holiday. Thank you to all for posting here. I’m chomping at the bit for part 2 - so much stuff to get to. We’ve got a lot of our own breakdown and speculation as well. I think we can help to clean up some of the mysteries in this case. The biggest problem with Brandon’s case is there are an amazing amount of variables and outcomes. What we want to try to do is really narrow both of those down considerably.
    Cheers Nic

  • BoomerQ

    BoomerQ Colorado

    Please stop suggesting that every partying teen that goes missing is on mushrooms or some kind of psychedelics... As someone who has plenty of experience, I would not be able to talk to my dad for any amount of time, you can sober up from a lot of things, psychedelics not so much.

    Please stop suggesting that every partying teen that goes missing is on mushrooms or some kind of psychedelics... As someone who has plenty of experience, I would not be able to talk to my dad for any amount of time, you can sober up from a lot of things, psychedelics not so much.

  • Ali

    Ali Florida

    I can't wait for part 2!!

    I can't wait for part 2!!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Agreed BoomerQ - Those were Captain comments. I don't know that we know enough about Brandon to say for sure but from what I can see I don't think he was on anything other than a couple of drinks. All for reasons you mentioned. Cheers Nic

    Agreed BoomerQ - Those were Captain comments. I don't know that we know enough about Brandon to say for sure but from what I can see I don't think he was on anything other than a couple of drinks. All for reasons you mentioned.
    Cheers Nic

  • BAM

    BAM Marshall, MN

    Been hoping you'll cover this for a long time. This happened a couple miles from my home. Always reminded me in many ways of Brandon Lawson. So many theories float around our town but people try to be respectful of his family of course and not talk too much. Just so strange how it all played out. Can't wait for the rest of the episodes. Thanks for covering this. There's another crazy story from our area more recent (2015 Balaton MN) that would be interesting to hear your take on. Thanks for always being thorough and respectful in your coverage.

    Been hoping you'll cover this for a long time. This happened a couple miles from my home. Always reminded me in many ways of Brandon Lawson. So many theories float around our town but people try to be respectful of his family of course and not talk too much. Just so strange how it all played out. Can't wait for the rest of the episodes. Thanks for covering this. There's another crazy story from our area more recent (2015 Balaton MN) that would be interesting to hear your take on. Thanks for always being thorough and respectful in your coverage.

  • Kim

    Kim Missouri

    I agree with him possibly being distracted and going the wrong way without realizing. In my 20s, I left a concert late at night after just a couple drinks. I wasn't drunk, but I believe I may have been talking on the phone and went the wrong way out and just kept going. This was in a suburban area, but it was late at night and my night vision isn't the best. I knew the area I was in and the one I ended up in, but I don't normally take that specific road, so I didn't realize until I was 15 minutes north and I saw the highway, and by then I was 30 minutes from where I needed to be. I can only imagine that it could be just as easy with unlit backroads. Just because he was 20 miles away from where he thought he was, doesn't mean he drove 20 miles in the wrong direction without knowing it. He may have started from some unknown location in the middle prior to getting lost. I'm assuming, because there is a part 2 coming, that there is more mystery here, and a search of the surrounding area found nothing. I could totally see where he may have accidently perished by falling in a stream or hitting his head, and he was scavaged by animals, or he stepped on the wrong person's property, and they freaked out and tried to cover up an accidental killing. I find it interesting that his last location was by a fence, which often donates a property edge. I also think whatever he stumbled upon is what caused his disappearance and what made him drop the phone and end the call. How horrible for his father to have to hear that and not be able to help or ever know what it was. Incidently, this case reminded me of a tragedy that happened to a relative. We believe he was having a manic episode and ended up lost in the woods. He stumbled upon a neighbors property, and the neighbor scared him by screaming at him, because it was the middle of the night. When the neighbor realized who he was, he ran after him, trying to help, but he had already ran across a frozen pond and the ice broke. The poor man couldn't help and always felt guilty, but luckily he called the police immediately and, of course, was not held responsible. Regardless of your state of mind, it is so easy to have something tragic occur in unknown terrain in the dark. Looking forward to the next episode. Cheers guys

    I agree with him possibly being distracted and going the wrong way without realizing. In my 20s, I left a concert late at night after just a couple drinks. I wasn't drunk, but I believe I may have been talking on the phone and went the wrong way out and just kept going. This was in a suburban area, but it was late at night and my night vision isn't the best. I knew the area I was in and the one I ended up in, but I don't normally take that specific road, so I didn't realize until I was 15 minutes north and I saw the highway, and by then I was 30 minutes from where I needed to be. I can only imagine that it could be just as easy with unlit backroads. Just because he was 20 miles away from where he thought he was, doesn't mean he drove 20 miles in the wrong direction without knowing it. He may have started from some unknown location in the middle prior to getting lost. I'm assuming, because there is a part 2 coming, that there is more mystery here, and a search of the surrounding area found nothing. I could totally see where he may have accidently perished by falling in a stream or hitting his head, and he was scavaged by animals, or he stepped on the wrong person's property, and they freaked out and tried to cover up an accidental killing. I find it interesting that his last location was by a fence, which often donates a property edge. I also think whatever he stumbled upon is what caused his disappearance and what made him drop the phone and end the call. How horrible for his father to have to hear that and not be able to help or ever know what it was.

    Incidently, this case reminded me of a tragedy that happened to a relative. We believe he was having a manic episode and ended up lost in the woods. He stumbled upon a neighbors property, and the neighbor scared him by screaming at him, because it was the middle of the night. When the neighbor realized who he was, he ran after him, trying to help, but he had already ran across a frozen pond and the ice broke. The poor man couldn't help and always felt guilty, but luckily he called the police immediately and, of course, was not held responsible.

    Regardless of your state of mind, it is so easy to have something tragic occur in unknown terrain in the dark.

    Looking forward to the next episode. Cheers guys

  • Andrea

    Andrea Naples

    As always... Great episode! Can’t (and kinda bummed we have to) wait for next week!

    As always... Great episode! Can’t (and kinda bummed we have to) wait for next week!

  • Tony Smyth

    Tony Smyth

    It seems to me that Swanson's expletive isn't that much of a mystery. He'd been talking to his parents for an hour or so, and before that he'd been at two parties, so it's possible that his phone hadn't been charged since the previous morning, and plausible that he saw a message that his phone was about to shut down and that caused his exclamation. I would also dispute that Swanson was drunk. It had been two to three hours since he'd had any alcohol, and no-one at eitherparty has ever claimed that he was inebriated when he left - his parents certainly thought that he was sober. I have no real justification for thinking so, but I can't help feeling that there was some reason for him being where he was, other than the desire to avoid the cops: what that reason is I have no idea. Given that the dogs followed his scent to the road, I fear that he met with foul play. I just think that if he'd died by accident or exposure, the cadaver dogs would have found him.

    It seems to me that Swanson's expletive isn't that much of a mystery. He'd been talking to his parents for an hour or so, and before that he'd been at two parties, so it's possible that his phone hadn't been charged since the previous morning, and plausible that he saw a message that his phone was about to shut down and that caused his exclamation.

    I would also dispute that Swanson was drunk. It had been two to three hours since he'd had any alcohol, and no-one at eitherparty has ever claimed that he was inebriated when he left - his parents certainly thought that he was sober. I have no real justification for thinking so, but I can't help feeling that there was some reason for him being where he was, other than the desire to avoid the cops: what that reason is I have no idea.

    Given that the dogs followed his scent to the road, I fear that he met with foul play. I just think that if he'd died by accident or exposure, the cadaver dogs would have found him.

  • Laura

    Laura Saint Cloud, Florida

    Great episode! My question is, if Brandon was so adamant that he knew where he was... why was he trying to turn around? Why would he turn around and go back the way he just came from if he thought he was so close to his home? Looking forward to the next episode!

    Great episode! My question is, if Brandon was so adamant that he knew where he was... why was he trying to turn around? Why would he turn around and go back the way he just came from if he thought he was so close to his home? Looking forward to the next episode!

  • Andrew

    Andrew Columbus Ohio

    If the mom heard him flip his lights on and off, did she hear anything as far as a car door opening or shutting (or multiple doors)? Maybe he was looking for a flashlight or something because I could certainly see that. I know he was talking to them in the woods and then it cut out but what happened between him speaking in the car and him being in the woods...? Crazy weird case here thanks for covering it!

    If the mom heard him flip his lights on and off, did she hear anything as far as a car door opening or shutting (or multiple doors)? Maybe he was looking for a flashlight or something because I could certainly see that. I know he was talking to them in the woods and then it cut out but what happened between him speaking in the car and him being in the woods...?

    Crazy weird case here thanks for covering it!

  • Uncle D.

    Uncle D. BFE

    Crime doesn't take vacations. Slackers. I guess I'll go wash with my Madison Reed now while I wait until next week.

    Crime doesn't take vacations. Slackers.

    I guess I'll go wash with my Madison Reed now while I wait until next week.

  • Kristin

    Kristin Tyler, MN

    So glad you guys are covering this case. I was in high school when this happened. I did not know Brandon, but had many friends who did. Was a weird time, as many kids our age out here went and partied out in the country all the time. I think it’s really important to stress how very rural our area is. Everyone here tries to be respectful for the family, but being very rural, he could of easily unfortunately passed in the middle of a field and due to farming his remains could never be found. I really hold out hope after 11 years he is still around. Thanks for covering this.

    So glad you guys are covering this case. I was in high school when this happened. I did not know Brandon, but had many friends who did. Was a weird time, as many kids our age out here went and partied out in the country all the time. I think it’s really important to stress how very rural our area is. Everyone here tries to be respectful for the family, but being very rural, he could of easily unfortunately passed in the middle of a field and due to farming his remains could never be found. I really hold out hope after 11 years he is still around.

    Thanks for covering this.

  • mG

    mG

    Grew up in a cotton farming community in West Texas. Plenty of irrigating, bar ditches and wells. If you are walking along a canal it is very easy to slip along the incline. However, it is hard to imagine that would be a hazard, even though they can be muddy and hard to get out of. I just don't know how a body cannot be located. I am pretty sure he drowned, don't see any foul play, but am still baffled about not finding a body. All the talk about was he drunk or high does not answer that question.

    Grew up in a cotton farming community in West Texas. Plenty of irrigating, bar ditches and wells. If you are walking along a canal it is very easy to slip along the incline. However, it is hard to imagine that would be a hazard, even though they can be muddy and hard to get out of. I just don't know how a body cannot be located. I am pretty sure he drowned, don't see any foul play, but am still baffled about not finding a body. All the talk about was he drunk or high does not answer that question.

  • JD

    JD Michigan

    I have been avoiding looking further into this case so that I can listen to it on the podcast. Looking at a map, it appears the only running water near where his vehicle got stuck is the Yellow Medicine River. As I am sure we will learn in part 2 (maybe a 3 part series?), the river has probably been searched multiple times. As for the car doors being open, that could simply be from somebody rifling through the vehicle? Great podcast. I'm a newer listener as of June of this year. I am currently listening to the four Boys on the Tracks episodes.

    I have been avoiding looking further into this case so that I can listen to it on the podcast. Looking at a map, it appears the only running water near where his vehicle got stuck is the Yellow Medicine River. As I am sure we will learn in part 2 (maybe a 3 part series?), the river has probably been searched multiple times.

    As for the car doors being open, that could simply be from somebody rifling through the vehicle?

    Great podcast. I'm a newer listener as of June of this year. I am currently listening to the four Boys on the Tracks episodes.

  • Derrick

    Derrick Saskatchewan

    Great show. I learnt along time ago that depending on an individuals skill, different driving tasks vary in difficulty. For example turning around on a gravel road for myself is not difficult and hard for me to fathom how one could hit the ditch. BUT being young and inexperienced perhaps this was a difficult task. Captain isn't off base but there is as always the other side of the coin. I wonder if he tried to turn around by starting the turn on the road and planned to finish the turn in the ditch? Cheers

    Great show.

    I learnt along time ago that depending on an individuals skill, different driving tasks vary in difficulty. For example turning around on a gravel road for myself is not difficult and hard for me to fathom how one could hit the ditch. BUT being young and inexperienced perhaps this was a difficult task. Captain isn't off base but there is as always the other side of the coin.

    I wonder if he tried to turn around by starting the turn on the road and planned to finish the turn in the ditch?

    Cheers

  • ken4twen

    ken4twen boston

    how fast was the river moving, could have ended up under a fallen tree at the bottom of the river, would explain why the body was never found

    how fast was the river moving, could have ended up under a fallen tree at the bottom of the river, would explain why the body was never found

  • Peter E

    Peter E SLC, UT

    Great show guys, especially part 2 we are getting into a lot of the possible scenarios. My feeling is still on a person who was pretty intoxicated, whether intentionally, or it is possible, especially as a young person to simply overdo it before you totally realize it. I can attest to this as a former young person. To me, leaving the car doors open and deciding to walk off into the night are not something a sober person would do. Better to sit tight with the heat on, doors locked, and listen to some "Coast to Coast" or something till morning. Some farmer would have come by around dawn and could help. Really tragic case nonetheless and thanks for covering it as comprehensively as you are, I like the cuts of your respective jibs. Cheers.

    Great show guys, especially part 2 we are getting into a lot of the possible scenarios. My feeling is still on a person who was pretty intoxicated, whether intentionally, or it is possible, especially as a young person to simply overdo it before you totally realize it. I can attest to this as a former young person. To me, leaving the car doors open and deciding to walk off into the night are not something a sober person would do. Better to sit tight with the heat on, doors locked, and listen to some "Coast to Coast" or something till morning. Some farmer would have come by around dawn and could help. Really tragic case nonetheless and thanks for covering it as comprehensively as you are, I like the cuts of your respective jibs. Cheers.

  • Jeff Harwell

    Jeff Harwell North carolina

    Listening to your show for the first time. You simply do not have enough facts to solve this. There is no doubt he was drunk. And possibly on illegal drugs. Does his parents have not have any boundaries? Still living with mommy. Calling them at 2 in the morning. Give me a break. I know you both are PC. I'll tell you right now, there is homosexual activity involved. Come on guys, ask the right questions.

    Listening to your show for the first time. You simply do not have enough facts to solve this. There is no doubt he was drunk. And possibly on illegal drugs. Does his parents have not have any boundaries? Still living with mommy. Calling them at 2 in the morning. Give me a break. I know you both are PC. I'll tell you right now, there is homosexual activity involved. Come on guys, ask the right questions.

  • Cheryl

    Cheryl Nevada

    What if there was a bull in that field. Hence the "Oh Shit". The bull may have killed Brandon and the farmer disposed of his body.

    What if there was a bull in that field. Hence the "Oh Shit". The bull may have killed Brandon and the farmer disposed of his body.

  • Jessica

    Jessica Florida

    I just finished part 2 and it seems like this is being stretched out way too far. It sucks that this kid is missing and presumed dead, but there are no clues and no updates so why spend one episode going over facts and two going over theories for something that is probably not even a crime? I have been listened to every episode and I love the podcast. It’s time to get back to crime!

    I just finished part 2 and it seems like this is being stretched out way too far. It sucks that this kid is missing and presumed dead, but there are no clues and no updates so why spend one episode going over facts and two going over theories for something that is probably not even a crime? I have been listened to every episode and I love the podcast. It’s time to get back to crime!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    @Jeff Weird! Nic

    @Jeff
    Weird!
    Nic

  • Michele

    Michele California

    Very sad story. My son is 19 and I can't imagine the horrendous amount of pain Brandon's parents & family have gone through, the not knowing is terrible. Thank you for keeping his story out there, he's not forgotten.

    Very sad story. My son is 19 and I can't imagine the horrendous amount of pain Brandon's parents & family have gone through, the not knowing is terrible. Thank you for keeping his story out there, he's not forgotten.

  • Reb

    Reb DC

    First off, screw you, Nic. I have had god damn c and c fucking music factory stuck in my head for an hour now. Why are you so cruel??? Other thoughts: 1. Nic, your theory hits on two points that have been screaming in my brain (just like “everybody dance now” currently is): - The “oh shit” was his cell phone dying. I didn’t have this particular model but my cell phone during this approximate time would do this crazy vibrate to tell you it was about to shut down. And, I remember that old cell phones always seemed to bleed power much more quickly towards the tail end of their charges, so he very well could have been caught off guard by the thing going off. - VICAP means diddly. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/399986/ Less than 10% of eligible LE agencies utilize it and it’s a useless mess. Your theory about the change in agency leads being the precipitating trigger for the case being added is spot on. And, I would argue the possibility that his parents asked a member of congress or the governor to ask the FBI to add it, as this was during the height of their political activity. And, there is nothing wrong, inappropriate, or harmful about this pathway. 2. I didn’t realize how teeny-tiny Brandon was, which makes me think overlooking his body until he had completely decomposed seems more reasonable, although there is the issue of his clothing never turning up. 3. The passenger door was open not because there was someone else there but because someone else came by and went into the glove box for innocent (trying to figure out who the car belonged to) or nefarious (stealing) reasons. 4. It is downright ridiculous that this was an ambush because he wasn’t anywhere near where he would have been for someone lying in wait. I have seen these “everyone around town knows” stories (one was, “I heard it from the BF of Brandon’s third cousin”!) and they flatly contradict what we know actually happened that night. Also, it is True Crime Canon that you can’t hide people in cement foundations- at least for very long! 5. I am so confused about the pipe. What kind of pipe was it? Of course, I have never been to a townie where there wasn’t at least weed floating around, so I would be terribly disappointed in them if there wasn’t drugs in some form there. Terrible hospitality faux pas. 6. He seems like a nice kid. This is terrible that I doubt it will be resolved. I go 85% tragic accident, 15% crossing paths with the wrong person after is phone died. 7. You failed to rule out chupacabras and the Smily Face Killer. Do better next time. :) And, of course, @Jeff, you are a gentleman and a scholar. Keep that moonshine flowing, buddy.

    First off, screw you, Nic. I have had god damn c and c fucking music factory stuck in my head for an hour now. Why are you so cruel???

    Other thoughts:
    1. Nic, your theory hits on two points that have been screaming in my brain (just like “everybody dance now” currently is):
    - The “oh shit” was his cell phone dying. I didn’t have this particular model but my cell phone during this approximate time would do this crazy vibrate to tell you it was about to shut down. And, I remember that old cell phones always seemed to bleed power much more quickly towards the tail end of their charges, so he very well could have been caught off guard by the thing going off.
    - VICAP means diddly. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/399986/
    Less than 10% of eligible LE agencies utilize it and it’s a useless mess. Your theory about the change in agency leads being the precipitating trigger for the case being added is spot on. And, I would argue the possibility that his parents asked a member of congress or the governor to ask the FBI to add it, as this was during the height of their political activity. And, there is nothing wrong, inappropriate, or harmful about this pathway.

    2. I didn’t realize how teeny-tiny Brandon was, which makes me think overlooking his body until he had completely decomposed seems more reasonable, although there is the issue of his clothing never turning up.

    3. The passenger door was open not because there was someone else there but because someone else came by and went into the glove box for innocent (trying to figure out who the car belonged to) or nefarious (stealing) reasons.

    4. It is downright ridiculous that this was an ambush because he wasn’t anywhere near where he would have been for someone lying in wait. I have seen these “everyone around town knows” stories (one was, “I heard it from the BF of Brandon’s third cousin”!) and they flatly contradict what we know actually happened that night. Also, it is True Crime Canon that you can’t hide people in cement foundations- at least for very long!

    5. I am so confused about the pipe. What kind of pipe was it? Of course, I have never been to a townie where there wasn’t at least weed floating around, so I would be terribly disappointed in them if there wasn’t drugs in some form there. Terrible hospitality faux pas.

    6. He seems like a nice kid. This is terrible that I doubt it will be resolved. I go 85% tragic accident, 15% crossing paths with the wrong person after is phone died.

    7. You failed to rule out chupacabras and the Smily Face Killer. Do better next time. smile

    And, of course, @Jeff, you are a gentleman and a scholar. Keep that moonshine flowing, buddy.

  • Bob

    Bob Melbourne

    Is it possible someone else moved his car after he left it? He was apparently flashing his headlights for his parents, to get their attention while they were searching, which would make no sense if they were pointed in the air. That would mean he could have been where he actually thought he was or another location.

    Is it possible someone else moved his car after he left it? He was apparently flashing his headlights for his parents, to get their attention while they were searching, which would make no sense if they were pointed in the air. That would mean he could have been where he actually thought he was or another location.

  • Ryan

    Ryan Columbus, Ohio

    How can people seriously consider Aliens, Big Foot, Mothman, and time portals? Gees, people. Come on! The Blair Witches finger prints are all over this!

    How can people seriously consider Aliens, Big Foot, Mothman, and time portals? Gees, people. Come on! The Blair Witches finger prints are all over this!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    @Reb, It sounds like the pipe was in fact a smoking device not a defense weapon. When we recorded the first episode - I had only seen the “pipe” referenced in 1 news article. Which offered no opinion nor description. Later I came across Sheriff Dahl’s statement about the pipe which I could tell he clearly was discussing a tobacco or drug pipe. Sorry for C&C - I’m a sick man! Nic

    @Reb,
    It sounds like the pipe was in fact a smoking device not a defense weapon. When we recorded the first episode - I had only seen the “pipe” referenced in 1 news article. Which offered no opinion nor description. Later I came across Sheriff Dahl’s statement about the pipe which I could tell he clearly was discussing a tobacco or drug pipe.
    Sorry for C&C - I’m a sick man!
    Nic

  • Lyndi

    Lyndi Oregon

    What are the chances that he fell into an abandoned well?

    What are the chances that he fell into an abandoned well?

  • Sarah

    Sarah Colorado

    Just FYI, I grew up rural. Taking backroads was something we always did just because, especially if we knew that no one else would be using them. Also, it’s really easy to get stuck trying to turn around in the dark on a road like that, especially at night and worse if you’ve got bad vision. Add in possibly being impaired? It’s a recipe for trouble.

    Just FYI, I grew up rural. Taking backroads was something we always did just because, especially if we knew that no one else would be using them. Also, it’s really easy to get stuck trying to turn around in the dark on a road like that, especially at night and worse if you’ve got bad vision. Add in possibly being impaired? It’s a recipe for trouble.

  • Clay

    Clay Alabama

    First off, great job to Nic and the Captain covering this case. I kinda take the approach of simplicity after hearing this case. I kind of agree that the "Oh Shit" moment was the result of a notification or vibration that his phone was about to die. Second, I put a lot of trust in the search dogs. They don't lie and are matter of fact. Ha! Now, I know a search is not 100 percent foolproof, but I believe from how they followed the scent, Brandon may have slipped in to the Yellow Medicine River, but then got out and continued walking while soaking wet and cold. I feel like he walked in to some of the 40 percent of area that hasn't been searched and succumbed to the elements, possibly hypothermia. I think the reason a body has never been found is because sadly, there probably is nothing left of a body to be found. One thing Nic said that stood out to me is when he mentioned the lead investigator saying how quickly a body could decompose at that specific time of year in those type of elements. I really don't think foul play occurred and I don't think anyone is hiding anything. I think the body was probably ravaged by animals and decomposed quickly. On the subject of the car doors being open, it is strange, but I think the most logical explanation is someone stopped by the car and looked through it for anything of value they could take. Sad deal for Brandon's family. To Nic and the Captain, keep up the awesome work guys! Look forward to next week!

    First off, great job to Nic and the Captain covering this case. I kinda take the approach of simplicity after hearing this case. I kind of agree that the "Oh Shit" moment was the result of a notification or vibration that his phone was about to die. Second, I put a lot of trust in the search dogs. They don't lie and are matter of fact. Ha! Now, I know a search is not 100 percent foolproof, but I believe from how they followed the scent, Brandon may have slipped in to the Yellow Medicine River, but then got out and continued walking while soaking wet and cold. I feel like he walked in to some of the 40 percent of area that hasn't been searched and succumbed to the elements, possibly hypothermia. I think the reason a body has never been found is because sadly, there probably is nothing left of a body to be found. One thing Nic said that stood out to me is when he mentioned the lead investigator saying how quickly a body could decompose at that specific time of year in those type of elements. I really don't think foul play occurred and I don't think anyone is hiding anything. I think the body was probably ravaged by animals and decomposed quickly. On the subject of the car doors being open, it is strange, but I think the most logical explanation is someone stopped by the car and looked through it for anything of value they could take. Sad deal for Brandon's family. To Nic and the Captain, keep up the awesome work guys! Look forward to next week!

  • Susan

    Susan UK

    Overall I agree that the "Oh shit" may well have been his battery dying and his phone shutting down. Given his situation, ie completely lost in the middle of nowhere in low temperatures, that in itself was a life threatening situation which maybe he realised. One thing you did not discuss (unless I missed it) is the remote possibility that he subsequently stumbled on a meth lab and was killed by those operating it. In an area as remote and unpopulated as that I wouldn't want to rule this out unless it had already been looked into. It might also explain why at least some landowners in the area have not allowed their land to be searched. If Brandon had gone missing in similar circumstances in northern California, the possibility that he had stumbled into an illegal marijuana grow would probably be one of the first things that would have been considered as an explanation for his disappearance.

    Overall I agree that the "Oh shit" may well have been his battery dying and his phone shutting down. Given his situation, ie completely lost in the middle of nowhere in low temperatures, that in itself was a life threatening situation which maybe he realised.

    One thing you did not discuss (unless I missed it) is the remote possibility that he subsequently stumbled on a meth lab and was killed by those operating it. In an area as remote and unpopulated as that I wouldn't want to rule this out unless it had already been looked into. It might also explain why at least some landowners in the area have not allowed their land to be searched.

    If Brandon had gone missing in similar circumstances in northern California, the possibility that he had stumbled into an illegal marijuana grow would probably be one of the first things that would have been considered as an explanation for his disappearance.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    This is from Jason in Alberta. Sorry had to make an edit - Nic Great podcast. What a tragic story. My partial theory is that as a result of the combination of fatigue, the eyesight issue, the unlit gravel roads, and possibly some drowsiness from a few beers, he left town via back roads in the wrong direction. The highway from Canby to Marshall is a SE diagonal, while the back roads are N-S and W-E. It is difficult to determine direction in the darkness if you don't keep track of North, especially when most of those country roads, ditches and trees look the same. He eventually concluded that he was going in the wrong direction, and turned around, or took a perpendicular turn, then continued on for awhile, believing he was heading toward Marshall. He had lost all concept of distance traveled by that point, because he was focused on identifying familiar landmarks etc. (farm gates etc.), or maybe was talking on his phone at the time. It can easily happen. That's how he misjudged by a wide mark his location when talking to his parents. The "oh shit" comment could have been his slipping on the incline and into the Yellow Medicine River. But that river was well-searched by the divers and no one found any evidence of a fall. What I think is maybe more likely, as suggested by Tony, is that Brandon's cell phone battery was on the verge of dying. If it was the cell phone dying, he could have been walking for hours after his call with his dad ended. If foul play occurred, he might have taken a ride with the wrong passerby, which is one explanation for the complete lack of evidence. If that vehicle's occupants were malicious, they were the ones who probably returned to rifle through his car and left the doors open. God bless Brandon and his family.

    This is from Jason in Alberta. Sorry had to make an edit - Nic
    Great podcast. What a tragic story. My partial theory is that as a result of the combination of fatigue, the eyesight issue, the unlit gravel roads, and possibly some drowsiness from a few beers, he left town via back roads in the wrong direction. The highway from Canby to Marshall is a SE diagonal, while the back roads are N-S and W-E. It is difficult to determine direction in the darkness if you don't keep track of North, especially when most of those country roads, ditches and trees look the same. He eventually concluded that he was going in the wrong direction, and turned around, or took a perpendicular turn, then continued on for awhile, believing he was heading toward Marshall. He had lost all concept of distance traveled by that point, because he was focused on identifying familiar landmarks etc. (farm gates etc.), or maybe was talking on his phone at the time. It can easily happen. That's how he misjudged by a wide mark his location when talking to his parents.

    The "oh shit" comment could have been his slipping on the incline and into the Yellow Medicine River. But that river was well-searched by the divers and no one found any evidence of a fall. What I think is maybe more likely, as suggested by Tony, is that Brandon's cell phone battery was on the verge of dying. If it was the cell phone dying, he could have been walking for hours after his call with his dad ended. If foul play occurred, he might have taken a ride with the wrong passerby, which is one explanation for the complete lack of evidence. If that vehicle's occupants were malicious, they were the ones who probably returned to rifle through his car and left the doors open. God bless Brandon and his family.

  • Jody

    Jody MO

    i was thinking what Lyndi from Oregon said, were there any abandoned wells and were they checked?

    i was thinking what Lyndi from Oregon said, were there any abandoned wells and were they checked?

  • joe

    joe dirt

    Through episode 2, and 'm confused why this is on true "crime" garage? This doesn't sound like a crime at all, instead, just an accidental death. I don't know why 3 episodes is necessary for this. This is a classic example of occam's razor. Dude was drunk or crunk (high and drunk), wrecked car, tried to find an area recognizable where his parents could find him cause he was avoiding cops, and ended up tripping/falling into water, down hill, or something similar. Body attacked by animals, buried under something, or washed away in water. It is really sad nothing has been found of this guy, but I wouldn't consider this a "crime". Hope his remains turn up for his family's closure.

    Through episode 2, and 'm confused why this is on true "crime" garage? This doesn't sound like a crime at all, instead, just an accidental death. I don't know why 3 episodes is necessary for this. This is a classic example of occam's razor. Dude was drunk or crunk (high and drunk), wrecked car, tried to find an area recognizable where his parents could find him cause he was avoiding cops, and ended up tripping/falling into water, down hill, or something similar. Body attacked by animals, buried under something, or washed away in water. It is really sad nothing has been found of this guy, but I wouldn't consider this a "crime". Hope his remains turn up for his family's closure.

  • joe

    joe dirt

    ***Submitted my above comment before reading over Clay from Alabama's comment. Clay is spot on. Well said Clay. I'm big into believing in conspiracies and letting my mind run wild, but this is as basic as it get's in regards to occam's razor and the most likely possibility is true.

    ***Submitted my above comment before reading over Clay from Alabama's comment. Clay is spot on. Well said Clay. I'm big into believing in conspiracies and letting my mind run wild, but this is as basic as it get's in regards to occam's razor and the most likely possibility is true.

  • Dana

    Dana Philly

    I kind of want to know what his tone was when he said "Oh Shit". If he was slipping or tripped you would think he would kind of yell it and if it was his phone dying it would be more of a bummed out "Oh Shit". If that makes any sense. I feel like as a parent you would know what kind of Oh Shit tone he was using and that could help on whether he was in the river or just walking.

    I kind of want to know what his tone was when he said "Oh Shit". If he was slipping or tripped you would think he would kind of yell it and if it was his phone dying it would be more of a bummed out "Oh Shit". If that makes any sense. I feel like as a parent you would know what kind of Oh Shit tone he was using and that could help on whether he was in the river or just walking.

  • RIley

    RIley North Dakota

    As someone who grew up in a town not too far away from Canby & similarily in a town about the same size, it keeps being mentioned that it is unknown how well he knew the country roads off the highway. People from the city obviously would have a different upbringing, but from the time kids around here turn 10ish they're off snowmobiling, 4-wheeling, etc. around the roads. On top of this, we live in an area where most people hunt which takes you out on these roads regularely. And lastly, as soon as we get our drivers licenses around here, driving is part of what we do for fun in high school. Driving for hours and just up and down country roads is very common as well as unfortunately the common country road & abandoned farmstead parties. I can tell you from all of these things listed above, I know the country roads for probably 30 or 40 miles around the little town I grew up in, and in certain directions even further, like the back of my hand. So with this in mind, I don't question at all his knowledge of the backroads. Unfortunately though it sounds to me like he had had enough to drink where he was drunk, just not crazy drunk and got himself lost. And yes, I agree with others above, in this area it would be very easy to end up lost in the cattails, CRP, or any other number of places and not be found possibly ever. Hopefully a hunter or farmer will in time come across his remains so he can have a proper burial and his family can properly grieve.

    As someone who grew up in a town not too far away from Canby & similarily in a town about the same size, it keeps being mentioned that it is unknown how well he knew the country roads off the highway. People from the city obviously would have a different upbringing, but from the time kids around here turn 10ish they're off snowmobiling, 4-wheeling, etc. around the roads. On top of this, we live in an area where most people hunt which takes you out on these roads regularely. And lastly, as soon as we get our drivers licenses around here, driving is part of what we do for fun in high school. Driving for hours and just up and down country roads is very common as well as unfortunately the common country road & abandoned farmstead parties. I can tell you from all of these things listed above, I know the country roads for probably 30 or 40 miles around the little town I grew up in, and in certain directions even further, like the back of my hand. So with this in mind, I don't question at all his knowledge of the backroads. Unfortunately though it sounds to me like he had had enough to drink where he was drunk, just not crazy drunk and got himself lost. And yes, I agree with others above, in this area it would be very easy to end up lost in the cattails, CRP, or any other number of places and not be found possibly ever. Hopefully a hunter or farmer will in time come across his remains so he can have a proper burial and his family can properly grieve.

  • Tintin

    Tintin Missouri

    I'd like to echo what Cheryl from Nevada said. The "Oh shit" moment may have occured when he encountered a bull. The "stumbling/falling" noise that his father heard may have been Brandon running and dropping the phone. The bull could have then killed or incapacitated him. Also, hay in springtime can easily be tall enough that a body can't be seen. Eventually a farmer will cut the hay without ever seeing him and scatter his bones.

    I'd like to echo what Cheryl from Nevada said. The "Oh shit" moment may have occured when he encountered a bull. The "stumbling/falling" noise that his father heard may have been Brandon running and dropping the phone. The bull could have then killed or incapacitated him. Also, hay in springtime can easily be tall enough that a body can't be seen. Eventually a farmer will cut the hay without ever seeing him and scatter his bones.

  • Jeff

    Jeff Alabama

    In regard to the "oh shit" comment...would that not be his reaction if after 47 minutes on the phone with his dad and them not being able to find him...if his battery was dying. Hear that beep, look at phone...and say oh shit. Seems logical. Short of his dad saying it was a panicked oh shit, I don't see how you could say he was falling into the water.

    In regard to the "oh shit" comment...would that not be his reaction if after 47 minutes on the phone with his dad and them not being able to find him...if his battery was dying. Hear that beep, look at phone...and say oh shit. Seems logical. Short of his dad saying it was a panicked oh shit, I don't see how you could say he was falling into the water.

  • Nestor

    Nestor Athens-Greece

    Maybe the "oh sit" meant that his phone drooped or slipped accidentaly from his hand in a canal,he tried to catch it, without success (that's why search dogs went in and out of the water), then he continue walking towards nowhere and now more nervous without the phone, lost,having a tragic death far away from where search teams searched for him.

    Maybe the "oh sit" meant that his phone drooped or slipped accidentaly from his hand in a canal,he tried to catch it, without success (that's why search dogs went in and out of the water), then he continue walking towards nowhere and now more nervous without the phone, lost,having a tragic death far away from where search teams searched for him.

  • Paddy

    Paddy WA

    What if the dad did it? Kid already got 1 dui, maybe dad's not happy with him. Does Dad have a meanstreak? Why again did dad take Mom home before any conclusion? Did dad's car ever get checked by CSI? The phone call details are relayed by the dad right? ...

    What if the dad did it? Kid already got 1 dui, maybe dad's not happy with him. Does Dad have a meanstreak? Why again did dad take Mom home before any conclusion? Did dad's car ever get checked by CSI? The phone call details are relayed by the dad right? ...

  • Matteo

    Matteo Michigan is better than Ohio

    I think it's possible he was hit walking on the road and disposed in the watershed.

    I think it's possible he was hit walking on the road and disposed in the watershed.

  • Michele

    Michele North Port FL

    This article made me think of this case, as well as others you guys have discussed. https://abcnews.go.com/US/google-earth-search-leads-gruesome-ending-decades-missing/story?id=65593720&cid=clicksource_4380645_null_twopack_hed
  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    yes that was an amazing story! nic

    yes that was an amazing story!
    nic

  • Chris

    Chris

    Thank you for many hours of interesting, well done podcasts. First time I've been moved to comment. Maybe it's because "oh shit" was my last phrase before almost falling in an old well while deer hunting, in daylight, in an area that is intensively farmed, similar to southern Minnesota. You cited the search professional as assuming that all these old wells and cisterns have long since been filled in or capped off due to the industrial scale ag going on. Like I said, I live in a similar type area, and this assumption just doesn't hold water. Because no trace of Brandon has ever been found, the simplest answer is that the earth swallowed him whole. And the easiest way for that to happen would be slipping into a subsurface cavity related to an old farmstead. Rural America began emptying out in the 1920's due to mechanization and urbanization. That trend accelerated in the following decades. That means there are myriad abandoned farmsteads where nothing might be seen above the surface. But the below-ground structures remain. If it hasn't already been done, I would look at old platbooks from the 20's, 30's, and 40's. Pinpoint the old farmsites in the probable find area and go over them systematically on foot and by aeriel photography, or even Google Earth. Now regarding the crazy/scared farmer scenario you broached--way too much drama. True, if there's anything nefarious on the part of a third party here, it might lay behind the reasons for those areas that haven't been made available to search. Not that anyone may have killed Brandon, by accident or otherwise. But those properties may contain some of these hazards that had not been properly dealt with at the time of his disappearance. (Just incidentally, might any have been filled in since his disappearance?) In which case, the owner could perhaps incur liability. I don't know what Minnesota law holds there. I hope the family gets some answers.

    Thank you for many hours of interesting, well done podcasts. First time I've been moved to comment. Maybe it's because "oh shit" was my last phrase before almost falling in an old well while deer hunting, in daylight, in an area that is intensively farmed, similar to southern Minnesota.
    You cited the search professional as assuming that all these old wells and cisterns have long since been filled in or capped off due to the industrial scale ag going on. Like I said, I live in a similar type area, and this assumption just doesn't hold water. Because no trace of Brandon has ever been found, the simplest answer is that the earth swallowed him whole. And the easiest way for that to happen would be slipping into a subsurface cavity related to an old farmstead.
    Rural America began emptying out in the 1920's due to mechanization and urbanization. That trend accelerated in the following decades. That means there are myriad abandoned farmsteads where nothing might be seen above the surface. But the below-ground structures remain.
    If it hasn't already been done, I would look at old platbooks from the 20's, 30's, and 40's. Pinpoint the old farmsites in the probable find area and go over them systematically on foot and by aeriel photography, or even Google Earth.
    Now regarding the crazy/scared farmer scenario you broached--way too much drama. True, if there's anything nefarious on the part of a third party here, it might lay behind the reasons for those areas that haven't been made available to search. Not that anyone may have killed Brandon, by accident or otherwise. But those properties may contain some of these hazards that had not been properly dealt with at the time of his disappearance. (Just incidentally, might any have been filled in since his disappearance?) In which case, the owner could perhaps incur liability. I don't know what Minnesota law holds there. I hope the family gets some answers.

  • Dee

    Dee NE

    Interesting story. For all the people saying he has not been found b/c he is in field somewhere and he decomposed fast or animals got him; where are his clothes, shoes, or phone? They wouldn't have eaten or taken them. There is no sign of an accident and someone hitting him. No blood or broken car parts. I do agree with Clay or Joe that he is probably passed and just somewhere they have not searched yet. I pray he is found for his family's peace of mind.

    Interesting story. For all the people saying he has not been found b/c he is in field somewhere and he decomposed fast or animals got him; where are his clothes, shoes, or phone? They wouldn't have eaten or taken them. There is no sign of an accident and someone hitting him. No blood or broken car parts. I do agree with Clay or Joe that he is probably passed and just somewhere they have not searched yet. I pray he is found for his family's peace of mind.

  • Tricia

    Tricia Indiana

    I've tried to turn around on a county road in broad daylight and my front end got stuck in a ditch, and I wasn't impaired at all. You can't see the steep drop off. I also wonder about some of the farm houses around the area where he went missing, has anyone checked to see if maybe he ended up at one of those houses and maybe he was shot for trespassing? Maybe they buried him in/under their barn? I'm in the early stages of Ep 2, so forgive me if I haven't gotten to where that is mentioned. LOVE your show!

    I've tried to turn around on a county road in broad daylight and my front end got stuck in a ditch, and I wasn't impaired at all. You can't see the steep drop off. I also wonder about some of the farm houses around the area where he went missing, has anyone checked to see if maybe he ended up at one of those houses and maybe he was shot for trespassing? Maybe they buried him in/under their barn? I'm in the early stages of Ep 2, so forgive me if I haven't gotten to where that is mentioned. LOVE your show!

  • Camille

    Camille Battle Ground, WA

    As someone who has worked in rural areas for years, I've gotten a variety of vehicles and equipment stuck and then un-stuck. First thing I do: throw open the doors/trunk/toolbox and look at what I have to get me out. The doors on the vehicle were open because he was rifling around for tire chains, a shovel, etc.

    As someone who has worked in rural areas for years, I've gotten a variety of vehicles and equipment stuck and then un-stuck. First thing I do: throw open the doors/trunk/toolbox and look at what I have to get me out. The doors on the vehicle were open because he was rifling around for tire chains, a shovel, etc.

  • Kelley

    Kelley MN

    I live only a couple of hours away from where he went missing. I just want to say that mid May the crops around here are just barely in the ground, let alone tall enough for someone to disappear in, so he could not have gotten lost in the crops. It is possible he could have walked through a field of tall grass though (possibly CRP- a government program that pays farmers to not til their land creating habitat for wildlife). Grass would be very brown, tall and thick from being left over from winter on CRP fields and embankments.

    I live only a couple of hours away from where he went missing. I just want to say that mid May the crops around here are just barely in the ground, let alone tall enough for someone to disappear in, so he could not have gotten lost in the crops. It is possible he could have walked through a field of tall grass though (possibly CRP- a government program that pays farmers to not til their land creating habitat for wildlife). Grass would be very brown, tall and thick from being left over from winter on CRP fields and embankments.

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous Missouri

    i honestly think he was partying and got too drunk and fell into the swamp/lake when he said "oh shit". sad story

    i honestly think he was partying and got too drunk and fell into the swamp/lake when he said "oh shit". sad story

  • Amanda

    Amanda Dayton

    This is referring to the take breakdown y'all were breaking apart. What if he is saying "stater" like still referring to a state trooper. Cause I've heard them called "stateys" so do people call them "stater" or I'm hearing"trooper" when it's slowed as well.

    This is referring to the take breakdown y'all were breaking apart. What if he is saying "stater" like still referring to a state trooper. Cause I've heard them called "stateys" so do people call them "stater" or I'm hearing"trooper" when it's slowed as well.

  • Craig

    Craig Waverly

    I started listening a week ago and I am already addicted I would like you to reconsider the idea that he may have fallen into an abandoned well, particularly given the “oh shit”, then the sliding sound his father heard. If the phone landed in water it would disconnect. Also, I thought the reason given for not considering this theory by the search team was weak.

    I started listening a week ago and I am already addicted
    I would like you to reconsider the idea that he may have fallen into an abandoned well, particularly given the “oh shit”, then the sliding sound his father heard. If the phone landed in water it would disconnect.
    Also, I thought the reason given for not considering this theory by the search team was weak.

  • Degs

    Degs CA

    I'm wondering about the road/driveway having been graded, conveniently wiping out any footprints/clues on the ground around the car, the day after Brandon disappeared. I mean it can't be a common or very regular occurrence to grade backroads like that. And the timing of it is weirdly coincidental if not down-right suspicious. Has anyone looked into who did the grading? Why it was done when it was done? Did they see any signs of Brandon? Were the car doors open when they came by? What did they see? It's possible whoever's responsible for the grading had something to do with what happened to Brandon. Or did I miss an explanation of this?

    I'm wondering about the road/driveway having been graded, conveniently wiping out any footprints/clues on the ground around the car, the day after Brandon disappeared. I mean it can't be a common or very regular occurrence to grade backroads like that. And the timing of it is weirdly coincidental if not down-right suspicious. Has anyone looked into who did the grading? Why it was done when it was done? Did they see any signs of Brandon? Were the car doors open when they came by? What did they see? It's possible whoever's responsible for the grading had something to do with what happened to Brandon. Or did I miss an explanation of this?

  • Amber Leigh Reeves

    Amber Leigh Reeves North Carolina

    I'm only half-way through episode one; however, this case reminds me of Bryce Laspisa's.

    I'm only half-way through episode one; however, this case reminds me of Bryce Laspisa's.

  • Matthew

    Matthew Iowa

    Great episodes fellas. I grew up in an area a lot like the one Brandon got lost in and while all these roads are on a 1 mile grid, it is still very easy to get lost as it all pretty much looks the same. Especially in summer, surrounded by six foot tall corn field. This one seems most likely to me to be an accident of some kind. Young man is lost and walking around in an unfamiliar area. At a minimum if he didn't fall into the water he lost his phone in the mud while talking to his father. From the fact that he was not found in the water and that the dog trail keeps going I think he lost his phone but made it back to the road. Now it is what 3:00 or 4:00 am. If you disregard any hard drugs, and assume he is mostly sobered up by now he is still very tired after a hard night of partying and wondering around in the dark. From here I think the most likely scenario is that somebody else booze cruising the gravel roads comes along and hits him and kills while he's walking. They freak out and hide his body outside of the likely search area. Thanks again keep up the good work.

    Great episodes fellas. I grew up in an area a lot like the one Brandon got lost in and while all these roads are on a 1 mile grid, it is still very easy to get lost as it all pretty much looks the same. Especially in summer, surrounded by six foot tall corn field. This one seems most likely to me to be an accident of some kind.

    Young man is lost and walking around in an unfamiliar area. At a minimum if he didn't fall into the water he lost his phone in the mud while talking to his father. From the fact that he was not found in the water and that the dog trail keeps going I think he lost his phone but made it back to the road.

    Now it is what 3:00 or 4:00 am. If you disregard any hard drugs, and assume he is mostly sobered up by now he is still very tired after a hard night of partying and wondering around in the dark. From here I think the most likely scenario is that somebody else booze cruising the gravel roads comes along and hits him and kills while he's walking. They freak out and hide his body outside of the likely search area.

    Thanks again keep up the good work.

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