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Brian Shaffer Part 2

Disappeared! In this episode we cover the mysterious disappearance of Ohio State Medical student Brian Shaffer. Brian was seen on security cameras several times the night he went missing. Cameras see him and friends going into a bar to celebrate the start of spring break but unfortunately cameras never see Brian leave the bar. Did something terrible happen to Brian inside the bar? Did Brian some how slip through the view of multiple cameras and meet with foul play along his short walk home? Or did Brian take off on his own leaving friends and family behind to hopelessly search for him? 

Brian Shaffer went missing April 1st, 2006. It's been almost ten years since this young, bright med student disappeared from the Ohio state university campus. At the time of his disappearance Brian was 27 years old, 6 foot 2 inches tall and 165 pounds. Brian is a Caucasian male with light brown hair, hazel eyes and he has a Pearl Jam tattoo on his upper right arm. If you have any information regarding the disappearance of Brian Shaffer please contact the Central Ohio Crime Stoppers at 614-645-8477, if requested you will remain anonymous. 

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128 comments

  • Derek P

    Derek P Arizona

    Re: Brian Shaffer. I think Brian Shaffer was most likely killed by a bouncer or employee at the bar, most likely a scuffle went bad and an accident occured and then was covered up by the bouncer after hours. A women employee is most likely the one who knew of the incident.

    Re: Brian Shaffer.
    I think Brian Shaffer was most likely killed by a bouncer or employee at the bar, most likely a scuffle went bad and an accident occured and then was covered up by the bouncer after hours. A women employee is most likely the one who knew of the incident.

  • EL

    EL Columbus

    This was the first time listening to your podcast and I thought it was really well put together. I look forward to listening to your other topics in the coming days. I just would like to say that I often see people on the internet almost dismissing Brian's case saying that he must have accidentally fallen in the Olentangy River or something along those lines. I personally don't like this theory. As somebody who has lived in Columbus my whole life. The Olentangy River is quite a hike from both the Ugly Tuna as well as Brian's apartment. Well over a mile away I would estimate. Sure, it's possible that Brian wandered that way but I don't think people who research this case realize that there really aren't any bodies of water within about a mile radius of the Ugly Tuna.

    This was the first time listening to your podcast and I thought it was really well put together. I look forward to listening to your other topics in the coming days.
    I just would like to say that I often see people on the internet almost dismissing Brian's case saying that he must have accidentally fallen in the Olentangy River or something along those lines. I personally don't like this theory. As somebody who has lived in Columbus my whole life. The Olentangy River is quite a hike from both the Ugly Tuna as well as Brian's apartment. Well over a mile away I would estimate. Sure, it's possible that Brian wandered that way but I don't think people who research this case realize that there really aren't any bodies of water within about a mile radius of the Ugly Tuna.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Derek I like this idea. It's a little different than anything we came across. Thanks Captain

    Derek I like this idea. It's a little different than anything we came across. Thanks
    Captain

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    El first awesome that you lived in Columbus. Cheers. And most likely someone would of seen him making that hike. Very populated area. Great insight thanks. Captain

    El first awesome that you lived in Columbus. Cheers. And most likely someone would of seen him making that hike. Very populated area. Great insight thanks.
    Captain

  • Sandie VanDyke

    Sandie VanDyke Grand Rapids, MI

    Great episode(s)! I hadn't heard of this case. Fascinating. It was nice to hear the Captain's passion and involvement in this story. I would love to know more about the construction area. Was it so dangerous that drunk people from a nearby bar could fall into crevasses and not be seen or given off any odor? What is there now? It's hard to imagine Mr. Shaffer leaving his life willingly. Equally hard to imagine his body not turning up. Frustrating for sure.

    Great episode(s)! I hadn't heard of this case. Fascinating. It was nice to hear the Captain's passion and involvement in this story. I would love to know more about the construction area. Was it so dangerous that drunk people from a nearby bar could fall into crevasses and not be seen or given off any odor? What is there now?
    It's hard to imagine Mr. Shaffer leaving his life willingly. Equally hard to imagine his body not turning up. Frustrating for sure.

  • Katie

    Katie Scotland

    Nice podcast, first time hearing of this case and it is definitely eerie. I truly think that something happened to him, whether by his own hand, by someone else or an accident. Here are some points that I considered. 1. Alcohol is a depressant which could have exacerbated depression/grief. It is not unheard of for seemingly non- depressed individuals to commit suicide whilst under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs. 2. Alcohol makes you less aware of certain dangers, thus the individual is more prone to engage in risky behaviours i.e. walking away with a stranger, walking home alone, getting involved in accidents. 3. Depression isn't always outwardly apparent, some people can mask symptoms of depression quite well. Speaking of my own experience, you can still make plans whilst depressed and put conscientious effort into something (as Brian's girlfriend described) it doesn't mean the individual is content and happy. It is such a sad story and we may never know what happened to Brian. It is really tragic what happened to the Shaffer family, I hope that Brian's brother will eventually get the closure he needs to move on with his life.

    Nice podcast, first time hearing of this case and it is definitely eerie. I truly think that something happened to him, whether by his own hand, by someone else or an accident. Here are some points that I considered.

    1. Alcohol is a depressant which could have exacerbated depression/grief. It is not unheard of for seemingly non- depressed individuals to commit suicide whilst under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs.

    2. Alcohol makes you less aware of certain dangers, thus the individual is more prone to engage in risky behaviours i.e. walking away with a stranger, walking home alone, getting involved in accidents.

    3. Depression isn't always outwardly apparent, some people can mask symptoms of depression quite well. Speaking of my own experience, you can still make plans whilst depressed and put conscientious effort into something (as Brian's girlfriend described) it doesn't mean the individual is content and happy.

    It is such a sad story and we may never know what happened to Brian. It is really tragic what happened to the Shaffer family, I hope that Brian's brother will eventually get the closure he needs to move on with his life.

  • Katie

    Katie Scotland

    Surely if he was killed inside the bar there would be plenty of witnesses? Scuffles in bars don't typically go unnoticed.

    Surely if he was killed inside the bar there would be plenty of witnesses? Scuffles in bars don't typically go unnoticed.

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous

    I also don't like the Olentangy idea. I've seen in it quite a few places, most likely by people who have never been near campus. It's only a mile maybe, but It's not an easy route to take or one that I've ever heard anyone take. You have to cross one of the largest hospital complexes in the US and at this time it was just being built, even today there is still a ton of sprawling construction around there and the dental school blocks off a massive portion of land. The only way I can think he may have walked off would be down King Ave, as it's the most clear shot, but even then he would need to walk directly passed Battelle - which for those unfamiliar, is the world's largest research and development organization - there are cameras and police all over the place. Most importantly: The river, up until last year was also damed at both ends. The olentangy river through downtown was basically a skinny reservoir for more than a decade - last year it was dried up in order to undam the river and put in more greenways on the banks.

    I also don't like the Olentangy idea. I've seen in it quite a few places, most likely by people who have never been near campus. It's only a mile maybe, but It's not an easy route to take or one that I've ever heard anyone take. You have to cross one of the largest hospital complexes in the US and at this time it was just being built, even today there is still a ton of sprawling construction around there and the dental school blocks off a massive portion of land. The only way I can think he may have walked off would be down King Ave, as it's the most clear shot, but even then he would need to walk directly passed Battelle - which for those unfamiliar, is the world's largest research and development organization - there are cameras and police all over the place.

    Most importantly: The river, up until last year was also damed at both ends. The olentangy river through downtown was basically a skinny reservoir for more than a decade - last year it was dried up in order to undam the river and put in more greenways on the banks.

  • Ruth S

    Ruth S KY

    Derek P- I like the bouncer theory!! It's odd for me listening to these 2 episodes because I've been listening to the Maury Murray podcast after The Captain's recommendation. I want to know what happened to them both.

    Derek P- I like the bouncer theory!!

    It's odd for me listening to these 2 episodes because I've been listening to the Maury Murray podcast after The Captain's recommendation. I want to know what happened to them both.

  • Spotti ottie

    Spotti ottie

    Great podcast. Although I love to wallow in the dark/dreary aspects of other true crime podcasts (as an escape from my first world problems)-the lighter mood of the whole show is very refreshing. BUT, I almost spit-out my Starbucks coffee all over the windshield when I heard the part about the psychic saying "gay man" in the Brain Saffer part II podcast. Some years back while aimlessly flipping channels, this case popped up on my screen, and I just got this weird inkling about Brian being gay (almost out of nowhere). Of course, when one comes out of the closet, the biggest psychological obstacle would be the drama that might ensue after telling your family, significant other, friends, classmates etc. When watching this story on TV, I didn't know about his mother dying a month before, but psychologically it makes sense (in theory). After his mother passing, life probably got pretty real for him, which may have prompted him to stop running away from the "truth", so to speak. Also, his family already went through a month of drama and heartache over his mother, and he didn't want to put them through that again/but at the same time couldn't run away from his true identity. So, while planning for his vacation, he may have also planned for "going off the grid" and disappearing. Additionally, that voicemail to his girlfriend sounded like he was saying goodbye for good. It's just the psychologist in me coming out. The other thing that struck me as plausible, was the whole"drug deal gone wrong" theory, or the "lets talk this really friendly drunk guy into our scandal" (an easy target). Brian might have bought into such a scheme at first, but then when figuring out the true intent of it-tries to get away, and gets killed in the escilation. Of course, I know that a college campus in Columbus with a bar that has an escalator is not exactly the set of No Country For Old Men. However, sometimes slimy thug-wanna-be college kids are under the delusion that getting $500 bucks from a drunk guy on that college campus is the total equivalent of being a real gangster, and in turn resort violence like in the movies. But, there is one thing is wrong with these possibly scenarios; Brian's credit cards were not used after his disappearance. If they killed him-or just tried to exhibit intimidating moves and accidentally killed him-why wouldn't his credit cards have been used? Did they freak out and run away? Did they dispose of the body via the river and decide not to use the credit cards in fear of being traced? Did he have a large amount of money on him in which they just took? Or when Brian was fleeing the scene (as a possible result of being all frantic and drunk) fall into the river. I mean, a million things could have happened here, I'm just speculating. Keep up the good work. I like the mix of solved crimes and unsolved. Is there anywhere to make suggestions as to topics? I have awesome beer/book recommendations to go with them!

    Great podcast. Although I love to wallow in the dark/dreary aspects of other true crime podcasts (as an escape from my first world problems)-the lighter mood of the whole show is very refreshing. BUT, I almost spit-out my Starbucks coffee all over the windshield when I heard the part about the psychic saying "gay man" in the Brain Saffer part II podcast.

    Some years back while aimlessly flipping channels, this case popped up on my screen, and I just got this weird inkling about Brian being gay (almost out of nowhere). Of course, when one comes out of the closet, the biggest psychological obstacle would be the drama that might ensue after telling your family, significant other, friends, classmates etc.

    When watching this story on TV, I didn't know about his mother dying a month before, but psychologically it makes sense (in theory). After his mother passing, life probably got pretty real for him, which may have prompted him to stop running away from the "truth", so to speak. Also, his family already went through a month of drama and heartache over his mother, and he didn't want to put them through that again/but at the same time couldn't run away from his true identity. So, while planning for his vacation, he may have also planned for "going off the grid" and disappearing. Additionally, that voicemail to his girlfriend sounded like he was saying goodbye for good. It's just the psychologist in me coming out.

    The other thing that struck me as plausible, was the whole"drug deal gone wrong" theory, or the "lets talk this really friendly drunk guy into our scandal" (an easy target). Brian might have bought into such a scheme at first, but then when figuring out the true intent of it-tries to get away, and gets killed in the escilation. Of course, I know that a college campus in Columbus with a bar that has an escalator is not exactly the set of No Country For Old Men. However, sometimes slimy thug-wanna-be college kids are under the delusion that getting $500 bucks from a drunk guy on that college campus is the total equivalent of being a real gangster, and in turn resort violence like in the movies. But, there is one thing is wrong with these possibly scenarios; Brian's credit cards were not used after his disappearance. If they killed him-or just tried to exhibit intimidating moves and accidentally killed him-why wouldn't his credit cards have been used? Did they freak out and run away? Did they dispose of the body via the river and decide not to use the credit cards in fear of being traced? Did he have a large amount of money on him in which they just took? Or when Brian was fleeing the scene (as a possible result of being all frantic and drunk) fall into the river. I mean, a million things could have happened here, I'm just speculating.

    Keep up the good work. I like the mix of solved crimes and unsolved. Is there anywhere to make suggestions as to topics? I have awesome beer/book recommendations to go with them!

  • Britt

    Britt

    Love hearing you guys think through all the possibilities! I'm really beginning to think how he left the bar is very simple: he left out the employee door (or whichever door didn't have a camera). What remains more of a mystery is what happened after that. If he did possibly tell his friend he was going to talk to an employee at the bar, I'm inclined to think he left with him/her through that door. Although it's hard to know what would have been in his character to make him leave with them (if he wanted to buy drugs, party with them, go home with them, etc.) I definitely think how he left is pretty simple. He was intoxicated so I have a hard time believing he went to great lengths to conceal himself leaving. Occam's Law states that when competing hypothesis explain the data equally well choose the simplest, or in other words the less you have to complex the theory to make it fit the more likely it is that it happened that way. We know he was intoxicated, we know he told his friend he was going to talk with a girl/employee/band member, and I think that we can be fairly certain he left that bar alive. So to me the easiest explanation is he left with whomever he was going to talk to and left with them through the exit with no security camera. My theory is he left with an employee because if they were doing something shady they would know there were no cameras and/or possibly thats just the exit employees frequently used to leave at night. So that's my theory, I think he met with some kind of foul play wherever he went after leaving the bar with the employee(s).

    Love hearing you guys think through all the possibilities! I'm really beginning to think how he left the bar is very simple: he left out the employee door (or whichever door didn't have a camera). What remains more of a mystery is what happened after that. If he did possibly tell his friend he was going to talk to an employee at the bar, I'm inclined to think he left with him/her through that door. Although it's hard to know what would have been in his character to make him leave with them (if he wanted to buy drugs, party with them, go home with them, etc.) I definitely think how he left is pretty simple. He was intoxicated so I have a hard time believing he went to great lengths to conceal himself leaving. Occam's Law states that when competing hypothesis explain the data equally well choose the simplest, or in other words the less you have to complex the theory to make it fit the more likely it is that it happened that way. We know he was intoxicated, we know he told his friend he was going to talk with a girl/employee/band member, and I think that we can be fairly certain he left that bar alive. So to me the easiest explanation is he left with whomever he was going to talk to and left with them through the exit with no security camera. My theory is he left with an employee because if they were doing something shady they would know there were no cameras and/or possibly thats just the exit employees frequently used to leave at night. So that's my theory, I think he met with some kind of foul play wherever he went after leaving the bar with the employee(s).

  • Mike K

    Mike K

    Hi guys, This was a great show. Nic, seriously, you're lucky you have a great sound man in the Cap. Sound for a podcast is 50% of the quality of the show. The next 50% is the content, and so, really smooth work with the idea of taking your passion bridging it with a dope sound man and working together to get it off the ground, it's like a Geico commercial...15%....haha...whatever...Anyways, I've not listen to part 2, I'm going to now, but so far, I think the oddest thing about that Ugly Tuna Bar is the employee "entrance and exit" that didn't have a security camera. Who would own a bar where they didn't have a camera on the employee coming and going? I mean, that's so shady. To me it sounds like the owner of the bar is up to no good. Final question, Cap. does the bar, when you play your gigs there pay you on time or are they whack-as-eff about paying you? Cool later brahs! Keep up the good work. Mike K.

    Hi guys,
    This was a great show. Nic, seriously, you're lucky you have a great sound man in the Cap. Sound for a podcast is 50% of the quality of the show. The next 50% is the content, and so, really smooth work with the idea of taking your passion bridging it with a dope sound man and working together to get it off the ground, it's like a Geico commercial...15%....haha...whatever...Anyways, I've not listen to part 2, I'm going to now, but so far, I think the oddest thing about that Ugly Tuna Bar is the employee "entrance and exit" that didn't have a security camera. Who would own a bar where they didn't have a camera on the employee coming and going? I mean, that's so shady. To me it sounds like the owner of the bar is up to no good. Final question, Cap. does the bar, when you play your gigs there pay you on time or are they whack-as-eff about paying you? Cool later brahs! Keep up the good work.
    Mike K.

  • Shane

    Shane Perth, Aus

    Agree with Derek's first comment. This theory has yet to be floated. It makes logical sense. I bet there's a secret entry/exit for staff that has no cameras. My thought during the podcast have they interrogated the bar staff. I wonder how much this has been looked in to

    Agree with Derek's first comment. This theory has yet to be floated. It makes logical sense. I bet there's a secret entry/exit for staff that has no cameras. My thought during the podcast have they interrogated the bar staff. I wonder how much this has been looked in to

  • Caroline

    Caroline UK

    This one really got to me as Brian's poor brother has had to deal with so much loss. I know a lot of people are suspicious of Clint and his lack of cooperation but it doesn't strike me as that odd. It sounds to me like he was advised to lawyer up, he was the last person with Brian and it was reasonable to think the police may have started to look at him. Also being drunk he may not have remembered all the details clearly or said something that "red flagged" and that was possibly counting against him. In that situation, I can see how a concerned family would have got him a lawyer who just advised him to say nothing more.

    This one really got to me as Brian's poor brother has had to deal with so much loss.

    I know a lot of people are suspicious of Clint and his lack of cooperation but it doesn't strike me as that odd. It sounds to me like he was advised to lawyer up, he was the last person with Brian and it was reasonable to think the police may have started to look at him. Also being drunk he may not have remembered all the details clearly or said something that "red flagged" and that was possibly counting against him. In that situation, I can see how a concerned family would have got him a lawyer who just advised him to say nothing more.

  • Kirby Collette

    Kirby Collette Boston, Ma

    I just recently listed to this episode and it was crazy how similar the story is to the story of Zach Marr which is currently an ongoing missing person case in Boston Ma. http://www.harvardpress.com/News/News-Articles/ID/15343/Harvard-family-awaits-news-of-missing-son White Male College Age Went out side the bar to have a cigarette without his Jacket during a night of drinking with his friends/cousins Walked off where there were cameras Hasn't been seen since It has been extremely cold since he has been missing. He was also nearby to bridges/water CC have not been used Cell phone has not pinged It is just so erie how similar these cases are. Although I have not heard anything about a graffiti happy face

    I just recently listed to this episode and it was crazy how similar the story is to the story of Zach Marr which is currently an ongoing missing person case in Boston Ma.

    http://www.harvardpress.com/News/News-Articles/ID/15343/Harvard-family-awaits-news-of-missing-son

    White Male
    College Age
    Went out side the bar to have a cigarette without his Jacket during a night of drinking with his friends/cousins
    Walked off where there were cameras
    Hasn't been seen since
    It has been extremely cold since he has been missing.
    He was also nearby to bridges/water
    CC have not been used
    Cell phone has not pinged

    It is just so erie how similar these cases are. Although I have not heard anything about a graffiti happy face

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Kirk thanks for this. Definitely sounds so much the same. Can't wait to dive into this one. Take care captain

    Kirk thanks for this. Definitely sounds so much the same. Can't wait to dive into this one. Take care
    captain

  • Michael

    Michael Athens, Ga.

    This was my first time listening to your podcast and I really enjoyed it. I'm a big fan of podcasting in general, as I spend a lot of time on the road and I have to rank you guys right up there with some of my favorites. Regarding the Brian Shaffer theories, I have a simple idea. I believe the last thing he said to his friend was that he was going to talk to the band. Since this would have been around closing time, the band would have been breaking down their equipment and most likely using the employee entrance/exit (the one without video surveillance) and he may have offered a hand to help carry things out or simply chatted up one of the band members and walked out right along side of one through the service exit. Once outside anything could've happened but, if this exit had no video, walking out with a band member and into the night would not have been difficult. I'm not suggesting any foul play on behalf of the band I'm just saying that a scenario such as "hey...blah, blah, blah....oh let me give you a hand...blah, blah....you guys sounded really good tonight...blah,blah..I wish we could hang out a bit longer....blah,blah, blah, oh I know a place not too far from here" and off into the dark they go.

    This was my first time listening to your podcast and I really enjoyed it. I'm a big fan of podcasting in general, as I spend a lot of time on the road and I have to rank you guys right up there with some of my favorites. Regarding the Brian Shaffer theories, I have a simple idea. I believe the last thing he said to his friend was that he was going to talk to the band. Since this would have been around closing time, the band would have been breaking down their equipment and most likely using the employee entrance/exit (the one without video surveillance) and he may have offered a hand to help carry things out or simply chatted up one of the band members and walked out right along side of one through the service exit. Once outside anything could've happened but, if this exit had no video, walking out with a band member and into the night would not have been difficult. I'm not suggesting any foul play on behalf of the band I'm just saying that a scenario such as "hey...blah, blah, blah....oh let me give you a hand...blah, blah....you guys sounded really good tonight...blah,blah..I wish we could hang out a bit longer....blah,blah, blah, oh I know a place not too far from here" and off into the dark they go.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Michael welcome to the true crime army! Thanks for listening and thanks for the theory. Keep them coming. Captain

    Michael welcome to the true crime army! Thanks for listening and thanks for the theory. Keep them coming.
    Captain

  • Mike

    Mike Winnipeg, Canada

    These podcasts reminded me of a similar case in my hometown in 2002/2003. This 21 year old went out to a bar with some friends. He worked as a part time DJ at this bar but was not working that night. He was drinking and may have been using some sort of street drugs. His friends saw him at 3 am but after that there is no clue as to his whereabouts. Fourteen (yes 14!) months later, the building owner reports to the police that there has been a lingering bad smell in the bar for many months. They find his badly decomposed and partially mummified body in the basement, stuck behind a wall. He died of 'positional asphyxiation' and there was no indication of foul play. His body was found in an area that was usually not accessible to patrons, just staff. Here is a summary: http://www.majorwager.com/forums/canteen/133984-winnipeg-mystery-djs-mummified-body-found-behind-wall-club.html I'm not suggesting that Brian's body is still in this club, but I'm left wondering if Brian somehow died through misadventure and his body has never been found. What if he fell down a garbage chute at the club (if the club even has a garbage chute), his body dropped into a dumpster and maybe first thing Monday morning the garbage company comes and empties the dumpster and he ends up in a landfill? If I was a betting man I'd say he is not alive, but probably had something happen to him after he somehow got out of the club without the security cameras seeing him.

    These podcasts reminded me of a similar case in my hometown in 2002/2003. This 21 year old went out to a bar with some friends. He worked as a part time DJ at this bar but was not working that night. He was drinking and may have been using some sort of street drugs. His friends saw him at 3 am but after that there is no clue as to his whereabouts. Fourteen (yes 14!) months later, the building owner reports to the police that there has been a lingering bad smell in the bar for many months. They find his badly decomposed and partially mummified body in the basement, stuck behind a wall. He died of 'positional asphyxiation' and there was no indication of foul play. His body was found in an area that was usually not accessible to patrons, just staff.

    Here is a summary:

    http://www.majorwager.com/forums/canteen/133984-winnipeg-mystery-djs-mummified-body-found-behind-wall-club.html

    I'm not suggesting that Brian's body is still in this club, but I'm left wondering if Brian somehow died through misadventure and his body has never been found. What if he fell down a garbage chute at the club (if the club even has a garbage chute), his body dropped into a dumpster and maybe first thing Monday morning the garbage company comes and empties the dumpster and he ends up in a landfill?

    If I was a betting man I'd say he is not alive, but probably had something happen to him after he somehow got out of the club without the security cameras seeing him.

  • kj

    kj Columbus

    The Olentangy River thing can't be true. The river has been so shallow and drained since then that if there were a body to be found, any body, it would have been in plain view (bones, what-have-you). I think about him all the time. I was a senior at OSU that year and frequented the Tuna. It shook me up then and it still shakes me up now. When the river was drained to build the dam or whatever it was they built, you could see everything that had sunk to the bottom of the river. Trash, old tires, garbage. I looked for him, too, when the river was shallow. I thought for sure that his body would be found, but it wasn't. This was within the past 2 years. I think he met foul play. That bar was always really dark. It was easy to lose friends. He didn't have to exit using the escalator. He probably did try to drunkenly walk home and something happened at that point.

    The Olentangy River thing can't be true. The river has been so shallow and drained since then that if there were a body to be found, any body, it would have been in plain view (bones, what-have-you). I think about him all the time. I was a senior at OSU that year and frequented the Tuna. It shook me up then and it still shakes me up now. When the river was drained to build the dam or whatever it was they built, you could see everything that had sunk to the bottom of the river. Trash, old tires, garbage. I looked for him, too, when the river was shallow. I thought for sure that his body would be found, but it wasn't. This was within the past 2 years. I think he met foul play. That bar was always really dark. It was easy to lose friends. He didn't have to exit using the escalator. He probably did try to drunkenly walk home and something happened at that point.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    KJ I totally forgot they drained that. I wish we had more then a week to get all the information we can and correct. Thanks for listening

    KJ I totally forgot they drained that. I wish we had more then a week to get all the information we can and correct. Thanks for listening

  • chris

    chris

    Surely if there was an exit with no cameras this would of been highlighted by police? It's been made out as vanished into thin air by them!

    Surely if there was an exit with no cameras this would of been highlighted by police? It's been made out as vanished into thin air by them!

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous Columbus

    A rumor that was told to me this morning is that he went into the bathroom and came out in women's clothing and began the process of transformation into a woman without intention to tell anyone. This explains why he is not seen on camera. I guess that this theory has long been accepted in the lgbtq community in Columbus. Clint might be aware and honoring his friend's wish to not release the info. makes sense to me but it is a damaging way to do it--unless he had no other choice.????

    A rumor that was told to me this morning is that he went into the bathroom and came out in women's clothing and began the process of transformation into a woman without intention to tell anyone. This explains why he is not seen on camera. I guess that this theory has long been accepted in the lgbtq community in Columbus. Clint might be aware and honoring his friend's wish to not release the info. makes sense to me but it is a damaging way to do it--unless he had no other choice.????

  • chris

    chris

    Lol!! I'm hoping you're joking!!!

    Lol!! I'm hoping you're joking!!!

  • Troy

    Troy Houston, TX

    Hey guys! Just came across your podcast a few days ago and have really enjoyed the ones I have listened to. Brian Shaffer's case has baffled me for the last few years. I have read everything I possibly can on it and still have no solid theory. Sadly, however, I do not believe he is still alive and very likely met his fate that night. I do not buy any theory that suggests he just up on his own free will. This makes no sense--why would he choose a night out drinking with a friend to up and disappear? Seems to me he would better plan something like that. My thought is he met up with someone nefarious that evening; who and what exactly happened is the giant question. Also, I know you guys briefly mentioned the Smiley Face Killer theory, but I would LOVE for you guys to do some research on it and do a show focused on it. It goes beyond just guys being found in bodies of water and smiley faces being found near the scene. Over the past twenty years, literally HUNDREDS of college aged guys have gone missing while out at bars/with friends. Many, like Brian, have never been found, but a vast majority of them are found in bodies of water days, weeks, months laster that are often times only a few feet deep, have been searched thoroughly BEFORE the bodies were found and the complete opposite direction of where they were last seen or their residences. Many of these have occurred in the same geographical location (Wisconsin and Minnesota seems to be hot spots; there have been five in LaCrosse, WI alone). There are similarities between many cases that I think go beyond coincidence; often times names are eerily similar; as are streets/locations where these guys go missing and are found. In several cases, cell phones/personal belongings have been found miles from where the bodies were located and in a few cases, the guys actually made phone calls and/or left messages stating they were being followed or chased. Recently, Joey Labute, who vanished form a bar in where--Columbus, OH--while out with friends and family as has still not been located--sent a garbled text to a family member. While I am sure that some of these drownings were accidental, I just cannot fathom that idea that they ALL are when there are some many strange circumstances and connections to many of them. Alcohol is easy to blame, but many of the guys were not even drunk or drinking. I'm not sure I 100% buy the Smiley Killer Theory as is has been presented by the detectives, but just spend some time researching these cases (check out http://footprintsattheriversedge.blogspot.com and KillingKillers.blogspot.com which are probably the two best blogs the document the disappearances and connections among the guy) and it becomes clear that something sinister may very well be at play. Something tells me that if over 100 young women were disappearing and being found in bodies of water and it is STILL happening, it would be all over the news. And while law enforcement have been quick to rule most of these as "accidental" in a few cases---only after family members put extreme pressure on them---they WERE ruled homicides (check out Chris Jenkins from Minneapolis, which is the quintessential "Smiley Face Killer" case and Patrick McNeil, considered one of the first victims of whatever is happening to these guys). Something for you guys to consider, as once you really start to research some of these missing young men found in bodies of water cases, you will undoubtedly be disturbed.

    Hey guys!

    Just came across your podcast a few days ago and have really enjoyed the ones I have listened to.

    Brian Shaffer's case has baffled me for the last few years. I have read everything I possibly can on it and still have no solid theory. Sadly, however, I do not believe he is still alive and very likely met his fate that night. I do not buy any theory that suggests he just up on his own free will. This makes no sense--why would he choose a night out drinking with a friend to up and disappear? Seems to me he would better plan something like that. My thought is he met up with someone nefarious that evening; who and what exactly happened is the giant question.

    Also, I know you guys briefly mentioned the Smiley Face Killer theory, but I would LOVE for you guys to do some research on it and do a show focused on it. It goes beyond just guys being found in bodies of water and smiley faces being found near the scene. Over the past twenty years, literally HUNDREDS of college aged guys have gone missing while out at bars/with friends. Many, like Brian, have never been found, but a vast majority of them are found in bodies of water days, weeks, months laster that are often times only a few feet deep, have been searched thoroughly BEFORE the bodies were found and the complete opposite direction of where they were last seen or their residences.

    Many of these have occurred in the same geographical location (Wisconsin and Minnesota seems to be hot spots; there have been five in LaCrosse, WI alone). There are similarities between many cases that I think go beyond coincidence; often times names are eerily similar; as are streets/locations where these guys go missing and are found. In several cases, cell phones/personal belongings have been found miles from where the bodies were located and in a few cases, the guys actually made phone calls and/or left messages stating they were being followed or chased. Recently, Joey Labute, who vanished form a bar in where--Columbus, OH--while out with friends and family as has still not been located--sent a garbled text to a family member.

    While I am sure that some of these drownings were accidental, I just cannot fathom that idea that they ALL are when there are some many strange circumstances and connections to many of them. Alcohol is easy to blame, but many of the guys were not even drunk or drinking. I'm not sure I 100% buy the Smiley Killer Theory as is has been presented by the detectives, but just spend some time researching these cases (check out http://footprintsattheriversedge.blogspot.com and KillingKillers.blogspot.com which are probably the two best blogs the document the disappearances and connections among the guy) and it becomes clear that something sinister may very well be at play. Something tells me that if over 100 young women were disappearing and being found in bodies of water and it is STILL happening, it would be all over the news. And while law enforcement have been quick to rule most of these as "accidental" in a few cases---only after family members put extreme pressure on them---they WERE ruled homicides (check out Chris Jenkins from Minneapolis, which is the quintessential "Smiley Face Killer" case and Patrick McNeil, considered one of the first victims of whatever is happening to these guys).

    Something for you guys to consider, as once you really start to research some of these missing young men found in bodies of water cases, you will undoubtedly be disturbed.

  • Leesa

    Leesa

    It's safe to say that this case is going to haunt me for a long time. It just does not make sense to me that he was not seen coming out of the bar. Lauren Spierer's case from Bloomington is a mystery but at least we know she left the bar. I found this old article I thought I would share with the listeners interested in this case. http://www.columbusmonthly.com/content/stories/2009/04/randy-shaffer-in-the-name-of-the-father.html Prayers for answers so brother can have closure.

    It's safe to say that this case is going to haunt me for a long time. It just does not make sense to me that he was not seen coming out of the bar. Lauren Spierer's case from Bloomington is a mystery but at least we know she left the bar. I found this old article I thought I would share with the listeners interested in this case.

    http://www.columbusmonthly.com/content/stories/2009/04/randy-shaffer-in-the-name-of-the-father.html

    Prayers for answers so brother can have closure.

  • Klara

    Klara Sweden

    It's obvious that something happened to him INSIDE the bar. Think about Occam's razor. If we can't see Brian on the security cameras leaving the bar, it's because he never left the bar. Not alive at least. My theory is that one of the two girls he was talking to had a jealous boyfriend thinking that Brian was flirting with her. The boyfriend was maybe a violent person with a criminal background or something like that. The boyfriend ask his friend (the security guard eyeballing Brian outside the bar, as seen on the tapes) to help him teach Brian a lesson. They take Brian somewhere in the staff area and purposely or accidentally kills him. Then they get rid of his body during the night/early morning. And the other staff members may never have noticed anything, if this happened after closing hours and/or in a room that they didn't go in to that often. They leave through the staff exit without security cameras and with Brian’s body in a bag or covered with something. They put him in the trunk of a car and then drives off and dump him somewhere remote or maybe in the river. (Love your podcast by the way!)

    It's obvious that something happened to him INSIDE the bar. Think about Occam's razor. If we can't see Brian on the security cameras leaving the bar, it's because he never left the bar. Not alive at least.

    My theory is that one of the two girls he was talking to had a jealous boyfriend thinking that Brian was flirting with her. The boyfriend was maybe a violent person with a criminal background or something like that. The boyfriend ask his friend (the security guard eyeballing Brian outside the bar, as seen on the tapes) to help him teach Brian a lesson.

    They take Brian somewhere in the staff area and purposely or accidentally kills him. Then they get rid of his body during the night/early morning. And the other staff members may never have noticed anything, if this happened after closing hours and/or in a room that they didn't go in to that often.

    They leave through the staff exit without security cameras and with Brian’s body in a bag or covered with something. They put him in the trunk of a car and then drives off and dump him somewhere remote or maybe in the river.

    (Love your podcast by the way!)

  • French Toast

    French Toast Atlanta, Ga

    Are there any theories that involve the policemen in the videos? Maybe a theory similar to the bouncer scenario that Derek mentions, but with one of the cops. How large is the Ugly Tuna and does it have many dark corners? Regardless of what happened, it's difficult to imagine there weren't witnesses unless perhaps foul play took place in the construction area. Maybe someone will come forward with something. Thanks for a great podcast, guys! I

    Are there any theories that involve the policemen in the videos? Maybe a theory similar to the bouncer scenario that Derek mentions, but with one of the cops.
    How large is the Ugly Tuna and does it have many dark corners? Regardless of what happened, it's difficult to imagine there weren't witnesses unless perhaps foul play took place in the construction area. Maybe someone will come forward with something.
    Thanks for a great podcast, guys! I

  • Lindsey

    Lindsey Sacramento, ca

    What color hair does Clints lady friend have? I think he went out of the employee entrance with employees like one of the psychic says:

    What color hair does Clints lady friend have? I think he went out of the employee entrance with employees like one of the psychic says:

  • Bibulous Buckeye

    Bibulous Buckeye Columbus, OH

    Today is the 10th anniversary of Brian's disappearance. Thank you for the great podcast discussing the different possibilities to this seemingly "cold" case. True Crime Garage was actually recommended on other sites discussing this topic, which is what led me here. I live in Columbus and graduated from OSU. I am familiar with campus and the Ugly Tuna where Brian was last seen. My belief is that he exited the bar through the construction exit/service exit, where there was no survellience. I do not believe that anything happened to him in the bar based on the fact that 1) it is a relatively small venue and someone would have most likely witnessed something like a confrontation or brawl, 2) Brian was 6'2" and would have been very difficult to carry out unseen if unconscious or incapacitated, and 3) investigators did bring cadaver dogs in to search the area with the thought that Brian may have fallen down the construction elevator or surrounding area, and came up with nothing. I am intrigued by what the psychic(s) said about Brian going out the service exit with an employee. I think this is entirely plausible, but the question still remains what happened to him after he left. A body was never found. An article was published today in the Columbus Dispatch on the anniversary of his disappearance: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/04/01/unsolved-mystery-10-years-later-brian-shaffer-still-missing.html The underlying tone of this article, which interviews Brian's former girlfriend Alexis Waggoner and the former lead investigator John Hurst, is that he is still alive. To my knowledge, that belief was shared by his father before his passing and by his brother as well. We may not know all of the reasons they believe this to be true; however, the article does mention that, looking back, Alexis finds it odd that a few days before that night in the bar, Brian told her to move on and find someone else, because he was struggling with his mom’s death. And that a couple of weeks before that, he asked her to “just run away” with him. I think he was struggling with some things. Some other points that support this theory (many of which you discussed) are: Brian disappeared on April Fool's Day (coincidence?), his girlfriend was conveniently out of town (no one to come home to or notice he was gone until she returned from visiting her parents in Toledo?), he had a nice steak dinner with his dad and left Alexis a sweet message (saying goodbye?), Alexis was expecting a proposal but there was no ring purchased to anyone's knowledge (cold feet?), he and Clint visited the Ugly Tuna Saloona early in the night and then returned (perhaps left something like a bag there? did a practice run through the construction exit?), Brian's phone may have been turned on/charged and pinged in the Columbus area at one point after his disappearance (may have been a malfunction of some kind, but usually the simplest explanation is the right one). If this theory is indeed what happened, perhaps he confided in Clint or Clint helped him prepare in some way, and that is why he refused a polygraph. Meredith Reed did take a polygraph and passed. I liked what you said about Brian wanting a different life for himself after his mother passed away. Maybe he felt like he could not face up to breaking up with Alexis and disapppointing his father by dropping out of med school. I also was intrigued by the supposition you made about Brian reading "Into the Wild," perhaps because as a Pearl Jam fan he was interested in the story that Eddie Vedder would be writing a soundtrack for, and being inspired by escaping life's pressures and living simply. I'd be interested to know if he was truly seen drinking heavily that night, or if that is just what Clint said they'd been doing. I'd also be interested to know if there was a female employee who perhaps stopped working at the Ugly Tuna not long after Brian disappeared. Many employees are students and therefore the turnover is pretty high. If someone would quit a month later, I don't think it would be suspicious. Perhaps he ran away with somebody? Recently another young, handsome young man named Joey LaBute disappeared from a bar in the Short North area of Columbus (not far from campus). After 25 days, a body was pulled from the Scioto River and yesterday it was confirmed to be Joey. The coroner has not yet ruled on a cause of death, but believes that Joey was dead when he entered the water. The situation is similar in that both men were in bars with friends, seemingly stepped away for a few minutes, and then disappeared. If Brian was a victim of foul play, I would be interested to know if he met a similar fate. Thanks again for helping to keep Brian's case in the forefront of our minds.

    Today is the 10th anniversary of Brian's disappearance. Thank you for the great podcast discussing the different possibilities to this seemingly "cold" case. True Crime Garage was actually recommended on other sites discussing this topic, which is what led me here.
    I live in Columbus and graduated from OSU. I am familiar with campus and the Ugly Tuna where Brian was last seen.
    My belief is that he exited the bar through the construction exit/service exit, where there was no survellience. I do not believe that anything happened to him in the bar based on the fact that 1) it is a relatively small venue and someone would have most likely witnessed something like a confrontation or brawl, 2) Brian was 6'2" and would have been very difficult to carry out unseen if unconscious or incapacitated, and 3) investigators did bring cadaver dogs in to search the area with the thought that Brian may have fallen down the construction elevator or surrounding area, and came up with nothing.
    I am intrigued by what the psychic(s) said about Brian going out the service exit with an employee. I think this is entirely plausible, but the question still remains what happened to him after he left. A body was never found.
    An article was published today in the Columbus Dispatch on the anniversary of his disappearance: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/04/01/unsolved-mystery-10-years-later-brian-shaffer-still-missing.html
    The underlying tone of this article, which interviews Brian's former girlfriend Alexis Waggoner and the former lead investigator John Hurst, is that he is still alive. To my knowledge, that belief was shared by his father before his passing and by his brother as well. We may not know all of the reasons they believe this to be true; however, the article does mention that, looking back, Alexis finds it odd that a few days before that night in the bar, Brian told her to move on and find someone else, because he was struggling with his mom’s death. And that a couple of weeks before that, he asked her to “just run away” with him. I think he was struggling with some things.
    Some other points that support this theory (many of which you discussed) are: Brian disappeared on April Fool's Day (coincidence?), his girlfriend was conveniently out of town (no one to come home to or notice he was gone until she returned from visiting her parents in Toledo?), he had a nice steak dinner with his dad and left Alexis a sweet message (saying goodbye?), Alexis was expecting a proposal but there was no ring purchased to anyone's knowledge (cold feet?), he and Clint visited the Ugly Tuna Saloona early in the night and then returned (perhaps left something like a bag there? did a practice run through the construction exit?), Brian's phone may have been turned on/charged and pinged in the Columbus area at one point after his disappearance (may have been a malfunction of some kind, but usually the simplest explanation is the right one).
    If this theory is indeed what happened, perhaps he confided in Clint or Clint helped him prepare in some way, and that is why he refused a polygraph. Meredith Reed did take a polygraph and passed.
    I liked what you said about Brian wanting a different life for himself after his mother passed away. Maybe he felt like he could not face up to breaking up with Alexis and disapppointing his father by dropping out of med school. I also was intrigued by the supposition you made about Brian reading "Into the Wild," perhaps because as a Pearl Jam fan he was interested in the story that Eddie Vedder would be writing a soundtrack for, and being inspired by escaping life's pressures and living simply.
    I'd be interested to know if he was truly seen drinking heavily that night, or if that is just what Clint said they'd been doing. I'd also be interested to know if there was a female employee who perhaps stopped working at the Ugly Tuna not long after Brian disappeared. Many employees are students and therefore the turnover is pretty high. If someone would quit a month later, I don't think it would be suspicious. Perhaps he ran away with somebody?
    Recently another young, handsome young man named Joey LaBute disappeared from a bar in the Short North area of Columbus (not far from campus). After 25 days, a body was pulled from the Scioto River and yesterday it was confirmed to be Joey. The coroner has not yet ruled on a cause of death, but believes that Joey was dead when he entered the water. The situation is similar in that both men were in bars with friends, seemingly stepped away for a few minutes, and then disappeared. If Brian was a victim of foul play, I would be interested to know if he met a similar fate.
    Thanks again for helping to keep Brian's case in the forefront of our minds.

  • Lindsay

    Lindsay Chicago, IL

    Great, great podcast. However, I'm surprised you didn't focus harder on one of the key pieces of evidence: Brian's last remark to Clint. He said that he was going to talk to someone who worked at the bar (or possibly someone in the band). Who was this person? Did anyone in the band or employed at the bar ever tell the police that Brian had tracked them down for a conversation that night? It seems very significant to me that the unknown person he was going to speak with (employee or band member) ALSO necessarily belonged to that group of people likely to have access to the employee exit and/or knowledge of how to exit through the construction site. I think figuring out who he was going to talk to is key to figuring out what happened that night.

    Great, great podcast. However, I'm surprised you didn't focus harder on one of the key pieces of evidence: Brian's last remark to Clint. He said that he was going to talk to someone who worked at the bar (or possibly someone in the band).

    Who was this person? Did anyone in the band or employed at the bar ever tell the police that Brian had tracked them down for a conversation that night?

    It seems very significant to me that the unknown person he was going to speak with (employee or band member) ALSO necessarily belonged to that group of people likely to have access to the employee exit and/or knowledge of how to exit through the construction site.

    I think figuring out who he was going to talk to is key to figuring out what happened that night.

  • Meg

    Meg Chicago, IL

    I think the fact that he wasn't shown leaving the bar on camera is telling. My thoughts are that he didn't actually leave it alive. I think he could have been killed by a bar worker and put in a garbage bag or some sort of container, maybe a speaker case? I heard you say a band played, and taken out of the bar that way.

    I think the fact that he wasn't shown leaving the bar on camera is telling. My thoughts are that he didn't actually leave it alive. I think he could have been killed by a bar worker and put in a garbage bag or some sort of container, maybe a speaker case? I heard you say a band played, and taken out of the bar that way.

  • Thomas

    Thomas Columbus, OH

    Lived near the bar where he was seen at the time. Frequented Ugly Tuna often afterwards as well. Unfortunately, your facts are completely out of date. Some time after the disappearance, investigators did in fact find surveillance footage of Brian exiting, not only the bar, but the entire building. The bar is located on the second floor and requires patrons to either take an escalator, stairs, or an elevator to the second floor, which is also home to an independent movie theater. I believe the footage showed Brian taking the escalator down and exiting the building.

    Lived near the bar where he was seen at the time. Frequented Ugly Tuna often afterwards as well.

    Unfortunately, your facts are completely out of date. Some time after the disappearance, investigators did in fact find surveillance footage of Brian exiting, not only the bar, but the entire building. The bar is located on the second floor and requires patrons to either take an escalator, stairs, or an elevator to the second floor, which is also home to an independent movie theater.

    I believe the footage showed Brian taking the escalator down and exiting the building.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thomas When I talked to different officers about this case they never once mentioned they had new footage of Brian. If we missed that it was cause I couldn't find any proof of it. Thanks for listening and the thoughts! Captain

    Thomas
    When I talked to different officers about this case they never once mentioned they had new footage of Brian. If we missed that it was cause I couldn't find any proof of it. Thanks for listening and the thoughts!
    Captain

  • Chris

    Chris Scotland

    Thomas, do you have quotes from investigators about this? I'm sure I'm not alone in never hearing about this footage.

    Thomas, do you have quotes from investigators about this? I'm sure I'm not alone in never hearing about this footage.

  • Austin

    Austin Columbus

    I live in Brian Shaffer's old apartment. And ever since I moved in there has been a lot of weird activity. I have had him on my mind constantly since I moved in- and tonight my boyfriend and I were watching a movie and the candle we had on the counter lit up really high and the door that was completely latched slammed open. I have seen things out of the corner of my eye- and I feel brian here. I know he''s dead. I can just feel it. I just wish someone could find out what it was that happened to him.

    I live in Brian Shaffer's old apartment. And ever since I moved in there has been a lot of weird activity. I have had him on my mind constantly since I moved in- and tonight my boyfriend and I were watching a movie and the candle we had on the counter lit up really high and the door that was completely latched slammed open. I have seen things out of the corner of my eye- and I feel brian here. I know he''s dead. I can just feel it. I just wish someone could find out what it was that happened to him.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Austin that is crazy. Thanks for sharing with us. Captain

    Austin that is crazy. Thanks for sharing with us.
    Captain

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thomas, I believe you are confusing the ctv footage of Brian that we have before his disappearance. If there is new footage please send us links or articles stating such. This is a case that we hope to help the community with. If there is something that could help or something that we missed please share with the garage army! This case is very much solvable. Thanks Thomas any insight you have will be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Nic

    Thomas, I believe you are confusing the ctv footage of Brian that we have before his disappearance. If there is new footage please send us links or articles stating such. This is a case that we hope to help the community with. If there is something that could help or something that we missed please share with the garage army! This case is very much solvable. Thanks Thomas any insight you have will be greatly appreciated.

    Cheers, Nic

  • Chris

    Chris Scotland

    After a couple of 10 year anniversary articles it's all gone quiet again on Brian. Surely it's time to re interview everyone who was in that bar that night and DEMAND Clint Florence takes that lie detector test. The answer had to be with someone in that bar!

    After a couple of 10 year anniversary articles it's all gone quiet again on Brian. Surely it's time to re interview everyone who was in that bar that night and DEMAND Clint Florence takes that lie detector test. The answer had to be with someone in that bar!

  • Buckeye

    Buckeye Columbus

    Awesome stuff guys. My first year at OSU was 2006 and the very first thing I remember seeing was a missing poster for Brian Shaffer near my dorm on 11th Ave. In the years that followed, the Tuna was the bar that my friends and I frequented more than any other on campus; I've probably been in there no less than 50x so this case has always fascinated me. A couple questions/observations I've had through the years. 1) WHERE was the exit that is not covered by a camera? We know that he didn't leave via the escalator, and that is the only place I've ever seen anyone enter or exit the Tuna. My assumption is that the employee/service exit is through the kitchen, which is on the southern wall. The kitchen isn't far from the entrance at the top of the escalator, which is the SE corner of the Tuna. For those that haven't been in there, the venue is pretty much an exact square with an oval shaped bar in the middle. When you walk in, the kitchen is along the south wall (to your left), the restrooms are along the east wall (to your right). There is a small stage caddycorner to the entrance in the NW corner. An outdoor patio runs the entire length of the northern wall, which is comprised of a couple of glass garage type doors that can be easily opened or closed based on the weather. During spring it is highly likely that they were open. However, it would be 99.99% impossible for Brain to have exited the bar via the patio because a) it is on the second story and more importantly b) the patio is above the main "courtyard" of the South Campus Gateway complex. At or around closing time on a weekend night, there's no way someone could just jump off that unseen. 2) This was covered in the podcast, but it seems Brian was pretty familiar with the escalator entrance as he used it when they first went into the Tuna, used it when they left, used it when returning with Clint and Meredith, and was right above it at 1:55am when he was spotted with the other girls. It's speculated that he was fairly drunk, and I'd agree with that assessment. However, I think it is important to note that he still appears to be in control of himself. He isn't puking, he doesn't *appear to be* struggling to stand up or stay awake, etc. In the state he was in, it seems unlikely that he simply got turned around and headed through another exit without doing so intentionally. 3) The speculation that he changed clothes has never made sense to me as he would've had to take the clothes into the bar with him and been seen, or had help from another person. I also think that if he changed clothes, it would've been uncovered rather easily as I am sure law enforcement and/or the PI accounted for each person going into AND out of the bar that evening. Hopefully this explanation makes sense: Male, red shirt, blue jeans, in at 1045, out at 1215 Female, blue dress, in at 930, out at 135 ...and so on. That way they could make sure that everyone who entered the bar that night also left the bar. This would also help to zero in on anyone that ALSO entered but didn't leave on camera. Brian may not have been the only person to enter the bar but not be seen leaving; but Brian is obviously the only one that simply never was never heard from again. 4) Clint lawyering up and refusing a polygraph, in and of itself, doesn't necessarily make me think he's guilty of anything. Retaining legal counsel when you were the last person seen with a missing person isn't anything out of the ordinary to me. Polygraphs are notoriously unreliable and I once had a professor tell us to NEVER agree to one under any circumstances. He then showed us plenty of evidence where polygraphs failed. This isn't to say Clint isn't hiding something, I just don't think the lawyer/polygraph stuff is a huge deal. Clint and Brian clearly had a friendship, so even if Clint for some reason wanted to harm Brian, it seems highly unlikely to me that a bright guy like Clint would choose a crowded bar on a Friday night to put his plan into motion when he surely had tons of opportunities in less crowded settings. I'm sure I'll think of other stuff to chime in, but for so long there has not been a single angle that has made ANY sense to me! Keep up the great work guys, would love to hear your opinions on my thoughts. Surely the Tuna and South Campus Gateway had changed some by the time I began frequenting it in 2008 (when I turned 21) so I'd love to discuss how you guys think he might've left the bar. Again, great stuff!

    Awesome stuff guys. My first year at OSU was 2006 and the very first thing I remember seeing was a missing poster for Brian Shaffer near my dorm on 11th Ave. In the years that followed, the Tuna was the bar that my friends and I frequented more than any other on campus; I've probably been in there no less than 50x so this case has always fascinated me.

    A couple questions/observations I've had through the years.

    1) WHERE was the exit that is not covered by a camera? We know that he didn't leave via the escalator, and that is the only place I've ever seen anyone enter or exit the Tuna. My assumption is that the employee/service exit is through the kitchen, which is on the southern wall. The kitchen isn't far from the entrance at the top of the escalator, which is the SE corner of the Tuna. For those that haven't been in there, the venue is pretty much an exact square with an oval shaped bar in the middle. When you walk in, the kitchen is along the south wall (to your left), the restrooms are along the east wall (to your right). There is a small stage caddycorner to the entrance in the NW corner. An outdoor patio runs the entire length of the northern wall, which is comprised of a couple of glass garage type doors that can be easily opened or closed based on the weather. During spring it is highly likely that they were open. However, it would be 99.99% impossible for Brain to have exited the bar via the patio because a) it is on the second story and more importantly b) the patio is above the main "courtyard" of the South Campus Gateway complex. At or around closing time on a weekend night, there's no way someone could just jump off that unseen.

    2) This was covered in the podcast, but it seems Brian was pretty familiar with the escalator entrance as he used it when they first went into the Tuna, used it when they left, used it when returning with Clint and Meredith, and was right above it at 1:55am when he was spotted with the other girls. It's speculated that he was fairly drunk, and I'd agree with that assessment. However, I think it is important to note that he still appears to be in control of himself. He isn't puking, he doesn't *appear to be* struggling to stand up or stay awake, etc. In the state he was in, it seems unlikely that he simply got turned around and headed through another exit without doing so intentionally.

    3) The speculation that he changed clothes has never made sense to me as he would've had to take the clothes into the bar with him and been seen, or had help from another person. I also think that if he changed clothes, it would've been uncovered rather easily as I am sure law enforcement and/or the PI accounted for each person going into AND out of the bar that evening. Hopefully this explanation makes sense:
    Male, red shirt, blue jeans, in at 1045, out at 1215
    Female, blue dress, in at 930, out at 135

    ...and so on. That way they could make sure that everyone who entered the bar that night also left the bar. This would also help to zero in on anyone that ALSO entered but didn't leave on camera. Brian may not have been the only person to enter the bar but not be seen leaving; but Brian is obviously the only one that simply never was never heard from again.

    4) Clint lawyering up and refusing a polygraph, in and of itself, doesn't necessarily make me think he's guilty of anything. Retaining legal counsel when you were the last person seen with a missing person isn't anything out of the ordinary to me. Polygraphs are notoriously unreliable and I once had a professor tell us to NEVER agree to one under any circumstances. He then showed us plenty of evidence where polygraphs failed. This isn't to say Clint isn't hiding something, I just don't think the lawyer/polygraph stuff is a huge deal. Clint and Brian clearly had a friendship, so even if Clint for some reason wanted to harm Brian, it seems highly unlikely to me that a bright guy like Clint would choose a crowded bar on a Friday night to put his plan into motion when he surely had tons of opportunities in less crowded settings.

    I'm sure I'll think of other stuff to chime in, but for so long there has not been a single angle that has made ANY sense to me! Keep up the great work guys, would love to hear your opinions on my thoughts. Surely the Tuna and South Campus Gateway had changed some by the time I began frequenting it in 2008 (when I turned 21) so I'd love to discuss how you guys think he might've left the bar. Again, great stuff!

  • Michelle

    Michelle Youngstown

    I was in that building this night. There were so many things going on in and outside of the building that it's quite possible a body could have been hidden somewhere and removed later. Did anyone talk to movie theater employees at that time? Coulda body have been hidden in an empty theater and then dumped later?

    I was in that building this night. There were so many things going on in and outside of the building that it's quite possible a body could have been hidden somewhere and removed later. Did anyone talk to movie theater employees at that time? Coulda body have been hidden in an empty theater and then dumped later?

  • Chris

    Chris Scotland

    Michelle, did police ever talk to you or your friends or indeed your friends friends? The answer lies within that bar and someone who was in there must know something!

    Michelle, did police ever talk to you or your friends or indeed your friends friends? The answer lies within that bar and someone who was in there must know something!

  • Chris

    Chris Scotland

    Shame, all seems to have gone quiet on this one!

    Shame, all seems to have gone quiet on this one!

  • Tanner

    Tanner ohio

    I just finished the episodes on Brian and like most people, I too have opinions or theories, as it may be. I don't believe he would have just left his family. Yes, things may have been difficult with his mother passing.. And had it just been his father and him, maybe. But I can't see him leaving his brother. At first I thought the dinner and voicemail to his gf might have been him atoning, saying goodbye. But learning of a brother my views changed. Maybe he was saying those things because she was his shoulder when his mother passed. Maybe he was just feeling thankful. Could it have been that a guy was watching him all evening and approached him about drugs he may have had. Maybe this was premeditated.. Maybe the guy watched him for sometime. If he had spoken to someone that he and Clint knew wouldn't he have said "I'm going to speak with so and so"? Would explain why he would have went willingly into the construction area. Can't buy/sell anything in public. He could have then hit an inebriated Brian and waited until the crowd was gone to move him. Bodies dumped in water tend to show up at somepoint.. Buried ones don't. I can't begin to know how his dad felt after his disappearance but I can bet that anyone with a heart would not sit idle, watch his fathers pain and not call to say "dad, I'm okay. I just need time" like I said, only my opinion but I don't think he's just missing. My heartaches for his brother.

    I just finished the episodes on Brian and like most people, I too have opinions or theories, as it may be. I don't believe he would have just left his family. Yes, things may have been difficult with his mother passing.. And had it just been his father and him, maybe. But I can't see him leaving his brother. At first I thought the dinner and voicemail to his gf might have been him atoning, saying goodbye. But learning of a brother my views changed. Maybe he was saying those things because she was his shoulder when his mother passed. Maybe he was just feeling thankful.
    Could it have been that a guy was watching him all evening and approached him about drugs he may have had. Maybe this was premeditated.. Maybe the guy watched him for sometime. If he had spoken to someone that he and Clint knew wouldn't he have said "I'm going to speak with so and so"? Would explain why he would have went willingly into the construction area. Can't buy/sell anything in public. He could have then hit an inebriated Brian and waited until the crowd was gone to move him. Bodies dumped in water tend to show up at somepoint.. Buried ones don't. I can't begin to know how his dad felt after his disappearance but I can bet that anyone with a heart would not sit idle, watch his fathers pain and not call to say "dad, I'm okay. I just need time" like I said, only my opinion but I don't think he's just missing. My heartaches for his brother.

  • Amy

    Amy OR

    I've often heard the most simple explaination is usually the one that's true. Is there anyway to find out if accidental death at the Ugly Tuna has been truly investigated? There is no video of him leaving. I heard a theory that he could have fallen into a hole that they later poured concrete in. Have they investigated that I wonder? Hoping for an update on this. It truly haunts me. I feel this was either an accidental death or someone killed him and took his body out later. I would love to know if L.E. has scanned the concrete etc... One more thing. Great show guys! Have you thought of doing the Patti Adkins case? The 15 year anniversary is quickly approaching.

    I've often heard the most simple explaination is usually the one that's true. Is there anyway to find out if accidental death at the Ugly Tuna has been truly investigated? There is no video of him leaving. I heard a theory that he could have fallen into a hole that they later poured concrete in. Have they investigated that I wonder? Hoping for an update on this. It truly haunts me. I feel this was either an accidental death or someone killed him and took his body out later. I would love to know if L.E. has scanned the concrete etc...

    One more thing. Great show guys! Have you thought of doing the Patti Adkins case? The 15 year anniversary is quickly approaching.

  • Darth Vedder

    Darth Vedder Memphis

    It appears that there is a 7-eleven across the street, as well as other businesses that most likely had CCTV. Did the investigators watch video from surrounding businesses? I think that if Brian left on foot through an unmonitored exit, he would have most likely been caught on a camera from a nearby business if he made it that far. I have gone back and forth about what I think most likely happened to Brian. I first thought that he had to met with foul play inside the bar and is still there. However, there are times where I do think that he may have hitched a ride with an employee or band member. He might have possibly had something unfortunate happen to him at that point or decided that he was going to leave his current life behind. I think that the evidence which supports the theory that he left is the dinner with his dad and the voicemail that he left his girlfriend. It is also my understanding that his brother planned on meeting him at the bar, but cancelled. I believe that this was in a recent anniversary news report. This plan would have included his brother in his "goodbye" plans. If there was foul play, there is no way that more than one or two people are involved, because I really think someone would have let something slip by now. Obviously, someone can keep a secret. I also find the similarities between his and Joey Labute's circumstances, as well as their physical appearance is striking. I don't know if I buy into smiley face theory, but I do think that someone could be praying on twenty-something year old gay men when the opportunity presents itself. I know Brian had a girlfriend, but many gay men do before they come to terms with their sexuality. I personally don't think that he was gay, but you never know. It is also a possibility that someone may thought Brian was gay and tried to take an advantage of his drunken state. Brian could have sobered up during a sexual assault and fought back. This scenario could have led to him being murdered and cleverly desposed of by his attacker.

    It appears that there is a 7-eleven across the street, as well as other businesses that most likely had CCTV. Did the investigators watch video from surrounding businesses? I think that if Brian left on foot through an unmonitored exit, he would have most likely been caught on a camera from a nearby business if he made it that far. I have gone back and forth about what I think most likely happened to Brian. I first thought that he had to met with foul play inside the bar and is still there. However, there are times where I do think that he may have hitched a ride with an employee or band member. He might have possibly had something unfortunate happen to him at that point or decided that he was going to leave his current life behind. I think that the evidence which supports the theory that he left is the dinner with his dad and the voicemail that he left his girlfriend. It is also my understanding that his brother planned on meeting him at the bar, but cancelled. I believe that this was in a recent anniversary news report. This plan would have included his brother in his "goodbye" plans. If there was foul play, there is no way that more than one or two people are involved, because I really think someone would have let something slip by now. Obviously, someone can keep a secret. I also find the similarities between his and Joey Labute's circumstances, as well as their physical appearance is striking. I don't know if I buy into smiley face theory, but I do think that someone could be praying on twenty-something year old gay men when the opportunity presents itself. I know Brian had a girlfriend, but many gay men do before they come to terms with their sexuality. I personally don't think that he was gay, but you never know. It is also a possibility that someone may thought Brian was gay and tried to take an advantage of his drunken state. Brian could have sobered up during a sexual assault and fought back. This scenario could have led to him being murdered and cleverly desposed of by his attacker.

  • Jeff

    Jeff NE

    I, too, have been haunted by this case and have thought through possible scenarios until my head aches. Can anyone answer these two questions — 1. Does the Ugly Tuna have an employee exit with no security cameras or not? In everything I've read on the case, this is never clearly answered. If there was, Brian must have left through there. It's the only possible answer. 2. Were the Columbus police able to use the security footage to track every person who entered the bar that night and then see them leave (this includes the bar staff and band)? If everyone but Brian was accounted for, he must have left alone and through the construction site. You can't have a kidnapping without a kidnapper. However, if there was an unmonitored employee exit, all bets are off. For me, it seems unlikely that any violence was done to him in the bar itself. Far too many people. He must have been lured out the employee exit by someone and then assaulted in the alleys behind the building. I pray that this case can be solved and his brother have some kind of closure.

    I, too, have been haunted by this case and have thought through possible scenarios until my head aches. Can anyone answer these two questions — 1. Does the Ugly Tuna have an employee exit with no security cameras or not? In everything I've read on the case, this is never clearly answered. If there was, Brian must have left through there. It's the only possible answer. 2. Were the Columbus police able to use the security footage to track every person who entered the bar that night and then see them leave (this includes the bar staff and band)? If everyone but Brian was accounted for, he must have left alone and through the construction site. You can't have a kidnapping without a kidnapper. However, if there was an unmonitored employee exit, all bets are off. For me, it seems unlikely that any violence was done to him in the bar itself. Far too many people. He must have been lured out the employee exit by someone and then assaulted in the alleys behind the building. I pray that this case can be solved and his brother have some kind of closure.

  • Dilyana

    Dilyana Bulgaria

    Somewhere I met opinions that Clint can be dealer. I am surprised that this possibility is excluded for the missing MEDICAL student (who previously graduated microbiology) Brian. It's a normal if person in the medical circles have access to the illegal medications. Furthermore, after the previous year, only his beloved mother was diagnosed with cancer, it may have started with some medicines for her or "for her." The second is the time when he was detected by the camera and respectively last seen. Here I see my version. If the information that the bar was closed to 2: 00 is correct, and we see that he was still alive in 1: 55ch, this could be kind of indication of premeditated murder. Someone was waiting for the closure of the bar, to be able then calmly to cover his crime without being seen. And that someone knew before the crime what to do. Probably he knew the place well. The premeditated murder explains why there's no theft and any traces. Next comes the question, why Meredith wanted to return to "Ugly Tuna" after 1: 00 in the morning? Obviously she did not want to meet friends there. They was alone there. Perhaps she wanted to hear the band?! Of the three who visited the bar, only Clint knows good the both of his companions. Didn't he knew about the intentions of Meredith to bring them into the bar, or that she planted to visit the place? And what if at the first visit to the bar at 9:30, Clint was planned they spend the whole night there, so then he was looking for a reason to get Brian to come back? Is there a correctly conclusion that he and Brian were not involved in anything, and there correctly conclusion about the psychological health of Clint? Aside from "The Clint version" Was it proven, that Brian didn't know anyone of the staff and band? He lived so close to the bar and probably went there sometimes. So, maybe he was familiar for some employees. What about the clients of the bar ?!

    Somewhere I met opinions that Clint can be dealer. I am surprised that this possibility is excluded for the missing MEDICAL student (who previously graduated microbiology) Brian. It's a normal if person in the medical circles have access to the illegal medications. Furthermore, after the previous year, only his beloved mother was diagnosed with cancer, it may have started with some medicines for her or "for her."

    The second is the time when he was detected by the camera and respectively last seen. Here I see my version. If the information that the bar was closed to 2: 00 is correct, and we see that he was still alive in 1: 55ch, this could be kind of indication of premeditated murder. Someone was waiting for the closure of the bar, to be able then calmly to cover his crime without being seen. And that someone knew before the crime what to do. Probably he knew the place well. The premeditated murder explains why there's no theft and any traces.
    Next comes the question, why Meredith wanted to return to "Ugly Tuna" after 1: 00 in the morning? Obviously she did not want to meet friends there. They was alone there. Perhaps she wanted to hear the band?! Of the three who visited the bar, only Clint knows good the both of his companions. Didn't he knew about the intentions of Meredith to bring them into the bar, or that she planted to visit the place? And what if at the first visit to the bar at 9:30, Clint was planned they spend the whole night there, so then he was looking for a reason to get Brian to come back? Is there a correctly conclusion that he and Brian were not involved in anything, and there correctly conclusion about the psychological health of Clint?

    Aside from "The Clint version" Was it proven, that Brian didn't know anyone of the staff and band? He lived so close to the bar and probably went there sometimes. So, maybe he was familiar for some employees.

    What about the clients of the bar ?!

  • Dilyana

    Dilyana Bulgaria

    Something like that: It's almost 1:56, Clint tells Meredith that he would go to the men's room before they leave. He goes and calls Brian about something like leaving the bar and takes him into a dark corner (place) where he kills him (or drugg him), alone or with someone who helps him. He returnes and he and Meredith leaving the restaurant with all the other customers. They call Brian and wait for him, then leave. And the alibi is ready. Later Clint returns (alone or with his assistant) and packaged (or cut and then package) the body of Brian, cleaning all the evidence, then export the body in the service exit of the building. Then transports (or they) the corpse of a deserted spot and buried it (or something else). He has two more days to come back and looked for forgotten evidences, before the girlfrend's returning and start the searching.

    Something like that:
    It's almost 1:56, Clint tells Meredith that he would go to the men's room before they leave. He goes and calls Brian about something like leaving the bar and takes him into a dark corner (place) where he kills him (or drugg him), alone or with someone who helps him. He returnes and he and Meredith leaving the restaurant with all the other customers. They call Brian and wait for him, then leave. And the alibi is ready. Later Clint returns (alone or with his assistant) and packaged (or cut and then package) the body of Brian, cleaning all the evidence, then export the body in the service exit of the building. Then transports (or they) the corpse of a deserted spot and buried it (or something else). He has two more days to come back and looked for forgotten evidences, before the girlfrend's returning and start the searching.

  • Chris

    Chris Scotland

    I believe that Clint knows what happened to Brian but was not directly linked to his fate. The drug connection is a big possibility and that Clint and Brian were potentially drug users. Brian was "dealt" with for some reason and Clint's silence afterwards was probably through fear. Unlikely Brian ever left the bar alive. Killed in bar and transported out in the garbage, which means he will never be found.

    I believe that Clint knows what happened to Brian but was not directly linked to his fate. The drug connection is a big possibility and that Clint and Brian were potentially drug users. Brian was "dealt" with for some reason and Clint's silence afterwards was probably through fear.
    Unlikely Brian ever left the bar alive. Killed in bar and transported out in the garbage, which means he will never be found.

  • WB

    WB Midwest

    On the podcast, it's mentioned that there is a construction site near the bar. When I heard this, I just wondered if there was any unfinished property that could have been completed and hiding his body from being seen? Like, for isntance, he is killed or hurt badly, and then a concrete enclosure is built and his body wasn't seen? Something of that nature..just something that ran across my mind during your pod..

    On the podcast, it's mentioned that there is a construction site near the bar. When I heard this, I just wondered if there was any unfinished property that could have been completed and hiding his body from being seen? Like, for isntance, he is killed or hurt badly, and then a concrete enclosure is built and his body wasn't seen? Something of that nature..just something that ran across my mind during your pod..

  • knidhy

    knidhy Nepal

    I like the theory of Derek here. of course a fight or an argument wouldn't go unnoticed. But I thought about in deeply. he got into the bar at 1:55 am not knowing that the bar was to close after 5 minutes which certainly easily passed while he made his way inside since there were many getting out by this time. So maybe he didn't leave the bar even after everyone was gone which could have led into an argument followed by a fight. Now isn't it obvious that no one would notice a fight that occurred after they left the bar?

    I like the theory of Derek here. of course a fight or an argument wouldn't go unnoticed. But I thought about in deeply. he got into the bar at 1:55 am not knowing that the bar was to close after 5 minutes which certainly easily passed while he made his way inside since there were many getting out by this time. So maybe he didn't leave the bar even after everyone was gone which could have led into an argument followed by a fight. Now isn't it obvious that no one would notice a fight that occurred after they left the bar?

  • Buckeye gal

    Buckeye gal Columbus

    There was chatter on a forum about this case. It talked about a murdered girl who disappeared on a night that Brian might have seen her with a particular individual. There was also a comment about the footage of Brian going up the escalator and a couple of guys going down immediately going back in as if seeing him going up made them go back deliberately. Might have been a YouTube clip. Both chatter and video clip surmised that he was deliberately targeted.

    There was chatter on a forum about this case. It talked about a murdered girl who disappeared on a night that Brian might have seen her with a particular individual. There was also a comment about the footage of Brian going up the escalator and a couple of guys going down immediately going back in as if seeing him going up made them go back deliberately. Might have been a YouTube clip. Both chatter and video clip surmised that he was deliberately targeted.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Buckeye Gal - tough loss last night I'm still hurting. This is exactly the type of info we are looking for. Thanking you for posting. If you can find the murdered girls name please come back and post.

    Buckeye Gal - tough loss last night I'm still hurting.

    This is exactly the type of info we are looking for. Thanking you for posting. If you can find the murdered girls name please come back and post.

  • IAN

    IAN Staffordshire in ENGLAND

    Absolutely mind boggling, we need to get Sherlock Holmes on the case ASAP. I am in the Sherlock Holmes Society of London, so I will see if he's around to ask. Brian's disappearance has kept me thinking I'll say, I came across it 3 years ago via YT. It is absolutely baffling. I remember watching a CRIME STORY years ago where the father of the deceased got this society involved, because the Cops had stalled in the investigation http://www.vidocq.org/ I wonder if they could help re Brian's case [just a thought] ? Keep up the good work folks !!!!

    Absolutely mind boggling, we need to get Sherlock Holmes on the case ASAP. I am in the Sherlock Holmes Society of London, so I will see if he's around to ask. Brian's disappearance has kept me thinking I'll say, I came across it 3 years ago via YT. It is absolutely baffling. I remember watching a CRIME STORY years ago where the father of the deceased got this society involved, because the Cops had stalled in the investigation http://www.vidocq.org/ I wonder if they could help re Brian's case [just a thought] ?

    Keep up the good work folks !!!!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thanks Ian, We do have a lead on this case that we are following up on. It can't be discussed yet but I think we will be doing another Brian Shaffer show in season 4. We'll see, cheers. Nic

    Thanks Ian,
    We do have a lead on this case that we are following up on. It can't be discussed yet but I think we will be doing another Brian Shaffer show in season 4. We'll see, cheers.
    Nic

  • Chris

    Chris Scotland

    Any idea when we would find out info around this lead? Is the info with the police also?

    Any idea when we would find out info around this lead? Is the info with the police also?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Chris as stated this cannot be discussed yet in a public forum. This information has been communicated with law enforcement and is in their hands now and cannot be discussed until they have worked it through. Nic

    Chris as stated this cannot be discussed yet in a public forum. This information has been communicated with law enforcement and is in their hands now and cannot be discussed until they have worked it through.
    Nic

  • Thard

    Thard Cbus

    Brian went missing weeks after his mother passed. I think it was a setup , he is alive. His friend that didn't take a polygraph knows. I'm 100 percent sure of it.

    Brian went missing weeks after his mother passed. I think it was a setup , he is alive. His friend that didn't take a polygraph knows.
    I'm 100 percent sure of it.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Got any leads Thard or a theory? We would all like to hear, if you feel like sharing. Nic

    Got any leads Thard or a theory? We would all like to hear, if you feel like sharing.
    Nic

  • AG

    AG

    I think someone that worked there killed him, chopped him up and put him in all the food they serve there. Thats why there is no trace of his body.

    I think someone that worked there killed him, chopped him up and put him in all the food they serve there. Thats why there is no trace of his body.

  • Buckeye

    Buckeye Powell, OH

    Me again. This case has perplexed me more than any other for nearly a decade. I just noticed that there are a handful of new* articles on Brian's case if you search his name. They don't contain any new info, however. While I feel this case is fairly well known in missing persons circles, I'd love to see it blow up and hopefully be solved. Definitely hoping that you guys are able to provide some more info in the future, but certainly understandable why you can't at the moment.

    Me again. This case has perplexed me more than any other for nearly a decade. I just noticed that there are a handful of new* articles on Brian's case if you search his name. They don't contain any new info, however. While I feel this case is fairly well known in missing persons circles, I'd love to see it blow up and hopefully be solved. Definitely hoping that you guys are able to provide some more info in the future, but certainly understandable why you can't at the moment.

  • Pat

    Pat Cbus

    Seriously? Clint can't be compelled to take a lie detector? Even after all this time and just about every possibility has been eliminated? The most incriminating clue is Brian going back into the place at closing time. It seems no brainer it was a setup and the 2 guys who went back in are implicated along with Clint. Can't he be compelled to take a polygraph just to be asked if he knew these guys?

    Seriously? Clint can't be compelled to take a lie detector? Even after all this time and just about every possibility has been eliminated? The most incriminating clue is Brian going back into the place at closing time. It seems no brainer it was a setup and the 2 guys who went back in are implicated along with Clint. Can't he be compelled to take a polygraph just to be asked if he knew these guys?

  • Pat

    Pat Cbus

    Somebody else who never took a polygraph is Derek shaffer. Now he is the only surviving member of the family.

    Somebody else who never took a polygraph is Derek shaffer. Now he is the only surviving member of the family.

  • Pat

    Pat Cbus

    So, after 10 years, I hear 2 guys went back in the bar at almost closing time and Clint and Brian's brother never took polygraphs. Seems that any lead not previously followed should at least be looked at if all else has failed. Why would Brian's dad take a polygraph and not Derek if you're barking up that tree?

    So, after 10 years, I hear 2 guys went back in the bar at almost closing time and Clint and Brian's brother never took polygraphs. Seems that any lead not previously followed should at least be looked at if all else has failed. Why would Brian's dad take a polygraph and not Derek if you're barking up that tree?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    AG not likely but the food there is horrible so who can say what happens in that kitchen -Nic

    AG not likely but the food there is horrible so who can say what happens in that kitchen
    -Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Pat, Not only will he not take a polygraph, he has an attorney that answers all questions for him. Extremely fishing my friend. Maybe Clint is the real Ugly Tuna! Cheers, Nic

    Pat,
    Not only will he not take a polygraph, he has an attorney that answers all questions for him. Extremely fishing my friend. Maybe Clint is the real Ugly Tuna!
    Cheers, Nic

  • Mike

    Mike C bus

    I recently became interested in this unsolved mystery and I'm trying to look at it from a different angle. I have some questions that I haven't run across anyone else ask. Purely speculation and theory and I don't want to point fingers but has the owner of the Tuna been questioned and cleared? Was he there that night? I found through my amateur research a few things odd or just pure coincidence. First, one of the psychics Randy became friends with did a sketch that looks a lot like the owner of the Tuna from my internet research. 2nd, a Facebook photo of a Halloween poster from the bar had the "rock horns" that I saw a picture with Brian. Idk just some different angles and my 2 cents. My heart goes out to the surviving brother.

    I recently became interested in this unsolved mystery and I'm trying to look at it from a different angle. I have some questions that I haven't run across anyone else ask. Purely speculation and theory and I don't want to point fingers but has the owner of the Tuna been questioned and cleared? Was he there that night? I found through my amateur research a few things odd or just pure coincidence. First, one of the psychics Randy became friends with did a sketch that looks a lot like the owner of the Tuna from my internet research. 2nd, a Facebook photo of a Halloween poster from the bar had the "rock horns" that I saw a picture with Brian. Idk just some different angles and my 2 cents. My heart goes out to the surviving brother.

  • Mike

    Mike C bus

    Furthermore, it's sometimes the small clues that lead to arrest. The police have a reason that they have cleared certain people. I found some things to be odd and secretive (if you will) about the Tuna through my intuition and research. The only pics I found of the owner was with two young handsome dudes. Idk I could be hugely off base. Just trying to help and look at different angles. Sometimes the devil is in the details.

    Furthermore, it's sometimes the small clues that lead to arrest. The police have a reason that they have cleared certain people. I found some things to be odd and secretive (if you will) about the Tuna through my intuition and research. The only pics I found of the owner was with two young handsome dudes. Idk I could be hugely off base. Just trying to help and look at different angles. Sometimes the devil is in the details.

  • Columbus

    Columbus Columbus

    To bad it hasn't been solved, his dad passed away with a broken heart

    To bad it hasn't been solved, his dad passed away with a broken heart

  • Joe

    Joe Columbus

    True Crime Garage, new lead? Hmm. I work at a local new station here in Columbus and am happy to hear that there is a new lead. Based off the tone of an officer I last discussed this case with, I got the assumption that Brian is alive. CPD has always been very hush-hush about everything. They have always claimed they have 3 different theories as to what happened that night, but they have always refused to even generally discuss them. I'm extremely interested to find out what this new lead is.

    True Crime Garage, new lead? Hmm. I work at a local new station here in Columbus and am happy to hear that there is a new lead. Based off the tone of an officer I last discussed this case with, I got the assumption that Brian is alive. CPD has always been very hush-hush about everything. They have always claimed they have 3 different theories as to what happened that night, but they have always refused to even generally discuss them. I'm extremely interested to find out what this new lead is.

  • Omar Junkman

    Omar Junkman

    This is my rock solid theory: Brian was speaking to the 2 ladies outside the bar about cocaine and maybe meeting up afterwards. In an effort to find more coke he went back into the bar to speak to some acquaintances or staff that could hook him up. At this point the bar is closing and people are being ushered out. He goes out the service entrance in either an exchange of drugs or an attempted exchange of drugs with a staff member or band player. At this point it's probably 2:10am. He has now exited the bar from the service entrance and since the bar is closed he can't come back in from that door. He decides to walk through an alley or side road to get back to where he wants to go (his houses or after party). There is a good chance he has coke on his person or whoever he asked about the coke may have told someone he has cash. He gets jumped in a dark alley and robbed by 2-3 men. In the robbery he his killed. They lift him into a dumpster and escape the scene possibly with his cell phone which they turn off. Since the search really does not kick off until late Monday and most trash is picked up Monday starting as early as 4am his body is disposed of in a landfill. His friend Florence also was involved in cocaine which is why he didn't want to take the lie detector test or speak to detectives further. That sort of admission could ruin his career. The fear of being entangled in illicit activity is why he has not been cooperative. This theory above is iron clad. I have also solved a few other cases and have a very strong theory regarding Casey Anthony.

    This is my rock solid theory:

    Brian was speaking to the 2 ladies outside the bar about cocaine and maybe meeting up afterwards. In an effort to find more coke he went back into the bar to speak to some acquaintances or staff that could hook him up. At this point the bar is closing and people are being ushered out. He goes out the service entrance in either an exchange of drugs or an attempted exchange of drugs with a staff member or band player. At this point it's probably 2:10am. He has now exited the bar from the service entrance and since the bar is closed he can't come back in from that door. He decides to walk through an alley or side road to get back to where he wants to go (his houses or after party). There is a good chance he has coke on his person or whoever he asked about the coke may have told someone he has cash. He gets jumped in a dark alley and robbed by 2-3 men. In the robbery he his killed. They lift him into a dumpster and escape the scene possibly with his cell phone which they turn off. Since the search really does not kick off until late Monday and most trash is picked up Monday starting as early as 4am his body is disposed of in a landfill.

    His friend Florence also was involved in cocaine which is why he didn't want to take the lie detector test or speak to detectives further. That sort of admission could ruin his career. The fear of being entangled in illicit activity is why he has not been cooperative.

    This theory above is iron clad. I have also solved a few other cases and have a very strong theory regarding Casey Anthony.

  • Chris

    Chris Scotland

    The above post is probably pretty close to what happened but unlikely we will ever know

    The above post is probably pretty close to what happened but unlikely we will ever know

  • paul

    paul Ohio

    There are no CCTV cameras picking up Brian anywhere, don't you think a camera somewhere would have pick him up, even just a small glimpse of him, but nothing. Very strange indeed.

    There are no CCTV cameras picking up Brian anywhere, don't you think a camera somewhere would have pick him up, even just a small glimpse of him, but nothing. Very strange indeed.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    That's what makes this case such a strange mystery. Having been to the building I believe someone could leave or get out and maybe not be seen. I can't say how but it's just the feeling I get when I've walked the building. Cheers, Nic

    That's what makes this case such a strange mystery. Having been to the building I believe someone could leave or get out and maybe not be seen. I can't say how but it's just the feeling I get when I've walked the building.
    Cheers, Nic

  • Thomas

    Thomas Savannah, GA

    Hi guys, great podcast! One thought: one of the theories you are quick to dismiss is that Brian died accidentally in the construction site and that this was covered up. I agree with you that this probably is not what happened. However, my father is a commercial construction superintendent, so I wanted to offer some insight. On a construction site, the superintendent / project manager is typically the first person to arrive every morning. They have to unlock the site so that the subcontractors (electricians, plumbers, etc.) can enter the site and work. They generally walk through the site to make sure that nothing is amiss. (It is common for sites to get broken into and for tools to get stolen.) The superintendent / project manager is responsible for OSHA compliance and job site safety. If a college student was able to access the construction area in the first place, that would have been a major violation. If the student fell to his death, it would result in a major lawsuit and probably jail time for the project manager. So, it's not completely out of the question that the project manager saw what had happened early Monday morning and quickly dealt with the body.

    Hi guys, great podcast! One thought: one of the theories you are quick to dismiss is that Brian died accidentally in the construction site and that this was covered up. I agree with you that this probably is not what happened.

    However, my father is a commercial construction superintendent, so I wanted to offer some insight. On a construction site, the superintendent / project manager is typically the first person to arrive every morning. They have to unlock the site so that the subcontractors (electricians, plumbers, etc.) can enter the site and work. They generally walk through the site to make sure that nothing is amiss. (It is common for sites to get broken into and for tools to get stolen.)

    The superintendent / project manager is responsible for OSHA compliance and job site safety. If a college student was able to access the construction area in the first place, that would have been a major violation. If the student fell to his death, it would result in a major lawsuit and probably jail time for the project manager. So, it's not completely out of the question that the project manager saw what had happened early Monday morning and quickly dealt with the body.

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    Thomas • Savannah, GA Thanks for the insight. Cheers mate

    Thomas • Savannah, GA

    Thanks for the insight. Cheers mate

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous montana

    I guess something I don't understand is why Brian's friends who he had hung out all night with didn't make sure he was okay. We are talking about a matter of minutes. Wouldn't they be suspicious of the fact he just left without telling them he was leaving on his own. He said he was going to talk to someone not leave. I would be trying pretty hard to ask around and find him especially since he had been drinking. Also this was a random place to go so unless he was being followed how could he have gotten into some kind of trouble in such a short amount of time. In the video he seems pretty happy so I can't imagine him upsetting someone that quickly so that they would hurt him. Did the police watch the footage for the rest of the night? Maybe he left later on with an employee or something. I can't imagine him just leaving his friends to go off with someone else without letting them know by phone or telling them. This is such a sad story in so many ways with his mom and dads death and then not knowing what happened to him. I keep trying to imagine the scenario with different outcomes and what really happened. It's so frustrating for me because of the randomness of everything. If he just disappeared and started over somewhere else, did he decide it right then and there? How did he just vanish?

    I guess something I don't understand is why Brian's friends who he had hung out all night with didn't make sure he was okay. We are talking about a matter of minutes. Wouldn't they be suspicious of the fact he just left without telling them he was leaving on his own. He said he was going to talk to someone not leave. I would be trying pretty hard to ask around and find him especially since he had been drinking. Also this was a random place to go so unless he was being followed how could he have gotten into some kind of trouble in such a short amount of time. In the video he seems pretty happy so I can't imagine him upsetting someone that quickly so that they would hurt him. Did the police watch the footage for the rest of the night? Maybe he left later on with an employee or something. I can't imagine him just leaving his friends to go off with someone else without letting them know by phone or telling them. This is such a sad story in so many ways with his mom and dads death and then not knowing what happened to him. I keep trying to imagine the scenario with different outcomes and what really happened. It's so frustrating for me because of the randomness of everything. If he just disappeared and started over somewhere else, did he decide it right then and there? How did he just vanish?

  • Buck Phan

    Buck Phan Ohio

    Good podcast. This story has facinated me for years. Somehow, this case came up in conversation with my brother in law (proud grad of The Ohio State University) over the holidays. He was in school at the time of Brian's disappearance. Although OSU is huge, this story was huge at the time and word carried fast about Brian's activities on campus (along with a few theories of his disappearance). I asked him what he had heard. It was his understanding that Brian was involved with cocaine and or other illicit activities during his time at OSU. Supposedly, many people knew of this. Omar Junkman's theory or some dirivation thereof is most likely IMHO. I don't feel there is any hocus pocus, serial killer, transgender transformation, corpse transportation, purposeful disappearance or spontaneous combustion at work here ha. Brian was clearly in search of something at this particular bar. Hence, the reason his group returned to this bar. Why? It is unlikely he was choosing to execute an elaborate disappearance from this particular location. Why not choose to disappear somewhere else? Why not wait until Saturday or Sunday? The likelihood he elected to return to this bar, while intoxicated, and walk "into the wild" from this location is very low. It simply does not make logical sense and would be baffling considering the intellect of Brian. It may never be known exactly what Brian was in search of at the Ugly Tuna. It could be as innocuous as a flirtation with a coed, a want for another drink (unlikely, given Columbus' strict last call laws at 2AM), a discussion with a band member or as nefarious as scoring some coke to keep the night going. However, it can be said with certainty, he willingly separated himself from his friends in search of something. This is clearly the point where Clint and Meredeth were not concerned or simply did not want to follow him in these pursuits. This also maybe why Clint has a reason to keep quite on certain elements of the disappearance. Especially if his pursuits were known to Clint to contain illegal activities of which He may also have been involved with. Either way, it is likely Clint felt he would be able to reconvene with Brian later. He either felt no need to keep a close eye on him at the time or decided to turn a blind eye. Meredith was probably unaware of what was going on or simply thought Brian was pursuing something benign. This maybe why she wouldn't have a reason to waive a polygraph test. It has been widely reported a staff/ service exit was not under surveillance. It is most likely he exited through this entrance/exit with the aid of someone with access to this point or knew of this private access/exit point. The individuals with this knowledge would Most likely be the band, owner, employees, or a heavily frequented patron given access to this exit for whatever reason (a patron whom may also use the Tuna as a drug dealing spot/illicit activity). Brian most likely left with someone through this exit. If he had simply been told of this exit by direction of an employee to ease his exit from the facility (post closing time), the police would know of this lead via employee questioning. Therefore, he had to of left with someone, perhaps unknowing to the bar employees. What occurred following his exit from the bar lead to his death. The motive would not have been money (he may have owed money of which he could not pay, he may have been involved with distributing drugs of which went missing, he may have left with someone under the influence of drugs which fueled an argument and murder and further cover up, he may have flirted with the wrong bartender etc). His Death may have been accidental, but the disposal of the body was done cleverly enough to avoid detection. Of course, he may have exited then fell to his own demise alone as well. We will never know. But it's plausible his exit from the tuna isn't a mystery at all. The mystery lies in where his body is. I hope his brother gains some type of closure. Someone knows something about that night which contributed directly to his disapearence/death and hasn't come forward. That makes the most logical sense.

    Good podcast. This story has facinated me for years. Somehow, this case came up in conversation with my brother in law (proud grad of The Ohio State University) over the holidays. He was in school at the time of Brian's disappearance. Although OSU is huge, this story was huge at the time and word carried fast about Brian's activities on campus (along with a few theories of his disappearance). I asked him what he had heard. It was his understanding that Brian was involved with cocaine and or other illicit activities during his time at OSU. Supposedly, many people knew of this. Omar Junkman's theory or some dirivation thereof is most likely IMHO. I don't feel there is any hocus pocus, serial killer, transgender transformation, corpse transportation, purposeful disappearance or spontaneous combustion at work here ha. Brian was clearly in search of something at this particular bar. Hence, the reason his group returned to this bar. Why? It is unlikely he was choosing to execute an elaborate disappearance from this particular location. Why not choose to disappear somewhere else? Why not wait until Saturday or Sunday? The likelihood he elected to return to this bar, while intoxicated, and walk "into the wild" from this location is very low. It simply does not make logical sense and would be baffling considering the intellect of Brian. It may never be known exactly what Brian was in search of at the Ugly Tuna. It could be as innocuous as a flirtation with a coed, a want for another drink (unlikely, given Columbus' strict last call laws at 2AM), a discussion with a band member or as nefarious as scoring some coke to keep the night going. However, it can be said with certainty, he willingly separated himself from his friends in search of something. This is clearly the point where Clint and Meredeth were not concerned or simply did not want to follow him in these pursuits. This also maybe why Clint has a reason to keep quite on certain elements of the disappearance. Especially if his pursuits were known to Clint to contain illegal activities of which He may also have been involved with. Either way, it is likely Clint felt he would be able to reconvene with Brian later. He either felt no need to keep a close eye on him at the time or decided to turn a blind eye. Meredith was probably unaware of what was going on or simply thought Brian was pursuing something benign. This maybe why she wouldn't have a reason to waive a polygraph test. It has been widely reported a staff/ service exit was not under surveillance. It is most likely he exited through this entrance/exit with the aid of someone with access to this point or knew of this private access/exit point. The individuals with this knowledge would
    Most likely be the band, owner, employees, or a heavily frequented patron given access to this exit for whatever reason (a patron whom may also use the Tuna as a drug dealing spot/illicit activity). Brian most likely left with someone through this exit. If he had simply been told of this exit by direction of an employee to ease his exit from the facility (post closing time), the police would know of this lead via employee questioning. Therefore, he had to of left with someone, perhaps unknowing to the bar employees. What occurred following his exit from the bar lead to his death. The motive would not have been money (he may have owed money of which he could not pay, he may have been involved with distributing drugs of which went missing, he may have left with someone under the influence of drugs which fueled an argument and murder and further cover up, he may have flirted with the wrong bartender etc). His Death may have been accidental, but the disposal of the body was done cleverly enough to avoid detection. Of course, he may have exited then fell to his own demise alone as well. We will never know. But it's plausible his exit from the tuna isn't a mystery at all. The mystery lies in where his body is. I hope his brother gains some type of closure. Someone knows something about that night which contributed directly to his disapearence/death and hasn't come forward. That makes the most logical sense.

  • Alex

    Alex Australia

    Fuark! Talk about disappearing into thin air. I hope they find Brian or what happened to him to bring closure to his remaining family and friends. I agree with Thomas from Savannah from above, if he stumbled and fell at the construction site, the super would be the one to find him the next day and would be worried about liability, potentially (although it really is a stretch) leading to a cover up. It is the responsibility of the super, at least partially, to ensure you can't have a situation where people are easily able to wander into your construction site. At the very least there should be a fence. It sounds like this construction site was right next to a bar full of people (potentially intoxicated people) so more than ever the super would have the responsibility to ensure that the construction site was sealed off. From the speculation surrounding the case it sounds like the site wasn't that hard to get into because people see it as a reasonable possibility that brian entered the site. Still I guess he could climb the fence if he wanted to. I think brian came back to the bar to pick up drugs. That is why brian looks at the cops. He doesn't want to get caught. A drugs charge might end his medical career. If he was just drunk and not up to anything else, he probably wouldn't check out the cops since he is unlikely to get more than a slap on the wrist for being drunk. It is a bar at spring break, if cops charge every drunk guy they'd be pretty busy. Drug deal went south in some way. Perhaps he followed the dealer to a nearby car/apartment to get the drugs if the dealer didn't have any more on them. This meant leaving the tuna saloona via the service entrance to avoid the cops. Maybe the dealer is not really that much of a dealer but an employee that deals a bit on the side, this is the person he told clint he was going to talk to. Clint probably knows it was to score drugs but doesn't want to say.

    Fuark! Talk about disappearing into thin air. I hope they find Brian or what happened to him to bring closure to his remaining family and friends. I agree with Thomas from Savannah from above, if he stumbled and fell at the construction site, the super would be the one to find him the next day and would be worried about liability, potentially (although it really is a stretch) leading to a cover up. It is the responsibility of the super, at least partially, to ensure you can't have a situation where people are easily able to wander into your construction site. At the very least there should be a fence. It sounds like this construction site was right next to a bar full of people (potentially intoxicated people) so more than ever the super would have the responsibility to ensure that the construction site was sealed off. From the speculation surrounding the case it sounds like the site wasn't that hard to get into because people see it as a reasonable possibility that brian entered the site. Still I guess he could climb the fence if he wanted to.

    I think brian came back to the bar to pick up drugs. That is why brian looks at the cops. He doesn't want to get caught. A drugs charge might end his medical career. If he was just drunk and not up to anything else, he probably wouldn't check out the cops since he is unlikely to get more than a slap on the wrist for being drunk. It is a bar at spring break, if cops charge every drunk guy they'd be pretty busy. Drug deal went south in some way. Perhaps he followed the dealer to a nearby car/apartment to get the drugs if the dealer didn't have any more on them. This meant leaving the tuna saloona via the service entrance to avoid the cops. Maybe the dealer is not really that much of a dealer but an employee that deals a bit on the side, this is the person he told clint he was going to talk to. Clint probably knows it was to score drugs but doesn't want to say.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    There was one psychic theory I don't think we covered it (don't know it's been a while) that Brian stayed until after closing and knew management and left with him/her/them through a freight elevator entrance or freight entrance that was not covered by cameras. Seems strange to me that the freight entrance would not be on camera (I can't confirm if it is or not). The captain did talk with a security member who said he doesn't know about back then but today they have several doors that are not under surveillance. Anyway the psychic said that drugs may have been involved, maybe the purchase of something and Brian got tricked and reacted and then was hit over the head and died. I love the psychic theories on this case. I've read some many, the crazy thing out of all of them that I have read they all have one thing in common... Brian's dead. Nic

    There was one psychic theory I don't think we covered it (don't know it's been a while) that Brian stayed until after closing and knew management and left with him/her/them through a freight elevator entrance or freight entrance that was not covered by cameras. Seems strange to me that the freight entrance would not be on camera (I can't confirm if it is or not). The captain did talk with a security member who said he doesn't know about back then but today they have several doors that are not under surveillance. Anyway the psychic said that drugs may have been involved, maybe the purchase of something and Brian got tricked and reacted and then was hit over the head and died. I love the psychic theories on this case. I've read some many, the crazy thing out of all of them that I have read they all have one thing in common... Brian's dead.
    Nic

  • Buckeye

    Buckeye Powell, OH

    Will a Brian Shaffer update be coming in Season 4? Would love one!

    Will a Brian Shaffer update be coming in Season 4? Would love one!

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    True Crime Garage

    Buckeye, I hope so. The Captain and I have been checking around and working on some things regarding the Shaffer case. So if we have enough to present we will certainly do one. Cheers, Nic

    Buckeye,
    I hope so. The Captain and I have been checking around and working on some things regarding the Shaffer case. So if we have enough to present we will certainly do one.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Tom

    Tom Manhattan NY

    Love the podcast. Just heard this episode (I know it's a little discussed by now) but I was wondering because I couldn't find it anywhere, what is the timeline of surveillance video did the police look into. If he was reported missing until days later, isn't there a chance that he could have hid inside the Ugly Tuna and snuck out on a different day? Same could go for someone removing a body. Just a thought. I'm sure it's been disscussed but what wondering if anyone had seen surveillance from the next few days.

    Love the podcast. Just heard this episode (I know it's a little discussed by now) but I was wondering because I couldn't find it anywhere, what is the timeline of surveillance video did the police look into. If he was reported missing until days later, isn't there a chance that he could have hid inside the Ugly Tuna and snuck out on a different day? Same could go for someone removing a body. Just a thought. I'm sure it's been disscussed but what wondering if anyone had seen surveillance from the next few days.

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous

    Nik and Captain great show as always. Way to do 2 parts and really give us a detailed account of the case. I know this hits home close to you being in Columbus. I have listened and watched many different shows and postings on this case. It's taken on a life of it's own over the years. The longer these cases go the more people's mind get creative to where he was abducted by aliens or dressed up as a woman etc. I told my wife about the case and she listened to it as well. I was very perplexed and had some different theories but she made a good comment that stuck with me. She is a Criminal Justice graduate and said he didn't disappear into thin air so the reality is usually the answer is the most simplistic thing. What's the most simplistic thing in this case that's what's up for debate. I'd rull out him disappearing on his own. This was not a bad kid or a troubled kid or someone at odds with his family and his girlfriend Alexis. Yes his mother died that's big but he had a father and brother he cared about. He had a girlfriend he was very serious with. He was about to become a DR. Those are pretty good reasons not to fake your death or something crazy like that. He didn't dress up as a woman or put on new clothes as some people have said it makes no sense. This was a kid out for a drink to relax and unwind. He was talking to 2 girls close to closing time. So him changing in the bathroom with what clothes he smuggled in c'mon. For me it comes down to one thing he left the bar with someone or most likely to meet someone. If he wanted to just go home he could have reached out to Clint and Meredith. I seriously doubt something happened in the bar either. I mean in a bar the smallest altercation draws a crowd and the whole bar's attention. One thing mentioned on the podcast that peaked my interest because it's true in certain bars you are 100 percent right there is a group of people workers, bands, regulars etc who sometimes stay a bit after the lights come on. I'm sure the cops watched tape a little bit past closing time or at least until the employees left. I doubt CPD is that bad where they wouldn't think of that. I'm sure they did their diligence on watching Video tape. I think Clint gets painted in a negative light but I don't really think he did anything to Brian. He took his parents advice and lawyered up it happens every day. There is no secrets that have come out over the years about Clint or Brian. He had no reason to kill him. Also he didn't sneak out past the cameras to have a 5 minute party with Clint and OD and he covered up and then called police after that I doubt it. Yes Clint could have and probably should have helped more but I think he was following people's advice and what you see on TV how the friend becomes the suspect when the cops have no other leads in a high profile case. One other question would be if anyone knows if they pulled Brian's phone records. Did he call anyone at anytime during that night or text anyone. In my opinion there are a couple theories. Did he leave with a bar employee or the band out a so called service entrance? Did he meet someone in the bar who said meet them outside later. Now for him to avoid cameras there has to be some reason for him to do that in a semi drunk state. I don't know if he ever did drugs or had any history of that so I'm not going to make comment. However that would be a reason to avoid cameras or take the construction exit. The drug angle could lead to robbery, OD and dump the body stuff like that. Again I don't know so I can't speculate his friends would know that. A lot of the time not the parents. There are a million parents that if you ask them did your son or daughter ever do drugs and they would say God No but in reality they have tried them before. My best guess is I'm leaning toward he met someone and for whatever reason he met up with that person or people known to that person outside the construction exit. Some point after that things when bad with those people or person. Whether it was a robbery gone bad or party behavior causing the tragedy something happened that some bad people decided to hide his body somewhere. As far as the cameras he either knew they were there or were told they were there or just got lucky and avoided them out the construction exit. Again in summary I'd love to know if he called anyone that night or close to closing time. However without that knowledge I'd say it's someone he is not extremely close too. Someone who his family or friends don't really know about and can't say go check this guy out.

    Nik and Captain great show as always. Way to do 2 parts and really give us a detailed account of the case. I know this hits home close to you being in Columbus. I have listened and watched many different shows and postings on this case. It's taken on a life of it's own over the years. The longer these cases go the more people's mind get creative to where he was abducted by aliens or dressed up as a woman etc. I told my wife about the case and she listened to it as well. I was very perplexed and had some different theories but she made a good comment that stuck with me. She is a Criminal Justice graduate and said he didn't disappear into thin air so the reality is usually the answer is the most simplistic thing. What's the most simplistic thing in this case that's what's up for debate.

    I'd rull out him disappearing on his own. This was not a bad kid or a troubled kid or someone at odds with his family and his girlfriend Alexis. Yes his mother died that's big but he had a father and brother he cared about. He had a girlfriend he was very serious with. He was about to become a DR. Those are pretty good reasons not to fake your death or something crazy like that. He didn't dress up as a woman or put on new clothes as some people have said it makes no sense. This was a kid out for a drink to relax and unwind. He was talking to 2 girls close to closing time. So him changing in the bathroom with what clothes he smuggled in c'mon. For me it comes down to one thing he left the bar with someone or most likely to meet someone. If he wanted to just go home he could have reached out to Clint and Meredith. I seriously doubt something happened in the bar either. I mean in a bar the smallest altercation draws a crowd and the whole bar's attention. One thing mentioned on the podcast that peaked my interest because it's true in certain bars you are 100 percent right there is a group of people workers, bands, regulars etc who sometimes stay a bit after the lights come on. I'm sure the cops watched tape a little bit past closing time or at least until the employees left. I doubt CPD is that bad where they wouldn't think of that. I'm sure they did their diligence on watching Video tape. I think Clint gets painted in a negative light but I don't really think he did anything to Brian. He took his parents advice and lawyered up it happens every day. There is no secrets that have come out over the years about Clint or Brian. He had no reason to kill him. Also he didn't sneak out past the cameras to have a 5 minute party with Clint and OD and he covered up and then called police after that I doubt it. Yes Clint could have and probably should have helped more but I think he was following people's advice and what you see on TV how the friend becomes the suspect when the cops have no other leads in a high profile case. One other question would be if anyone knows if they pulled Brian's phone records. Did he call anyone at anytime during that night or text anyone.

    In my opinion there are a couple theories. Did he leave with a bar employee or the band out a so called service entrance? Did he meet someone in the bar who said meet them outside later. Now for him to avoid cameras there has to be some reason for him to do that in a semi drunk state. I don't know if he ever did drugs or had any history of that so I'm not going to make comment. However that would be a reason to avoid cameras or take the construction exit. The drug angle could lead to robbery, OD and dump the body stuff like that. Again I don't know so I can't speculate his friends would know that. A lot of the time not the parents. There are a million parents that if you ask them did your son or daughter ever do drugs and they would say God No but in reality they have tried them before.

    My best guess is I'm leaning toward he met someone and for whatever reason he met up with that person or people known to that person outside the construction exit. Some point after that things when bad with those people or person. Whether it was a robbery gone bad or party behavior causing the tragedy something happened that some bad people decided to hide his body somewhere. As far as the cameras he either knew they were there or were told they were there or just got lucky and avoided them out the construction exit. Again in summary I'd love to know if he called anyone that night or close to closing time. However without that knowledge I'd say it's someone he is not extremely close too. Someone who his family or friends don't really know about and can't say go check this guy out.

  • P

    P New albany

    Any idea when an update will be coming out?

    Any idea when an update will be coming out?

  • True Crime Garage

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    Lots of requests for a Brian Shaffer update. We will most likely do an update this season, season 4. Look for that to come. Cheers all and really great comments and theories on this case. Nic

    Lots of requests for a Brian Shaffer update. We will most likely do an update this season, season 4. Look for that to come.
    Cheers all and really great comments and theories on this case.
    Nic

  • Chris

    Chris Scotland

    Surely the bar room itself had cameras, no? There must be footage there that shows Brians last movements.

    Surely the bar room itself had cameras, no? There must be footage there that shows Brians last movements.

  • Derek

    Derek Red Deer, Canada

    The investigator who was on the case looked at the video MANY MANY times, and can account that everyone who walked Into the bar walked Out... except Brian. I believe he went out the construction way, drunkenly fell into it, and was constructed over undetected. Yes I'm aware the site was 'investigated' but not Dismantled.

    The investigator who was on the case looked at the video MANY MANY times, and can account that everyone who walked Into the bar walked Out... except Brian. I believe he went out the construction way, drunkenly fell into it, and was constructed over undetected. Yes I'm aware the site was 'investigated' but not Dismantled.

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    Chris • Scotland No footage from inside the bar that I know of. The bar and complex were also pretty new. Thanks for listening. Captain

    Chris • Scotland

    No footage from inside the bar that I know of. The bar and complex were also pretty new. Thanks for listening.

    Captain

  • Valentina

    Valentina Argentina

    I'm really late for this one, but all I could think about while I listened to the entire first part and over half the second part, was "drugs". I honestly think he was killed during a drug deal, either because he owed someone money, or because someone tried to rob him/short-change him and he was killed. It's really sad that, even after a decade later, nobody will get the b*lls to come out and tell the truth. I hope his remaining family can one day get closure. AMAZING podcast, guys! I'm working my way through it during work. You now have a fan from the other side of the world!

    I'm really late for this one, but all I could think about while I listened to the entire first part and over half the second part, was "drugs". I honestly think he was killed during a drug deal, either because he owed someone money, or because someone tried to rob him/short-change him and he was killed.

    It's really sad that, even after a decade later, nobody will get the b*lls to come out and tell the truth. I hope his remaining family can one day get closure.

    AMAZING podcast, guys! I'm working my way through it during work. You now have a fan from the other side of the world!

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    Valentina • Argentina Welcome to the garage and thanks for going back and supporting us. Much Love Captain

    Valentina • Argentina

    Welcome to the garage and thanks for going back and supporting us. Much Love

    Captain

  • Moose

    Moose Canada

    First off love this podcast. Can't wait to listen to the rest. A little late to the party but have so many thoughts about this case. I watched some old footage about this case and noticed that it seemed to show the construction area as being right outside the doors of the bar and at the top of the escalator. I guess is this where the theatre would be now. The construction area was closed off by a big yellow door that was clearly marked and also looked like it had a lock on the outside. The other thing that caught my eye was that those two cops standing at the top of the escalator in the 155 am camera shot would have been basically right by the entrance to the construction area as well as anyone else who happened to leave the bar at closing time. I always pictured some out of sight construction area but it doesn't look that way from the footage. Does anyone know if the yellow door outside of the bar entrance is the construction area people are talking about? If so, it seems way less likely to me that he went in there. I think it's probably nothing but I always thought Alexis and Brian were dating a lot longer than they actually were. They were only together about ten months before he disappeared. Seems to me that an engagement at this point in their med school careers particularly given how new the relationship was would be unusual. It also leads me to believe that Alexis may not have known Brian as well as she thought she did since the relationship was relatively new. I don't know what to make of this case but I always thought that Brian must have disappeared in a very small window because he spoke to Clint and Meredith after 155 and they were actively looking for to the point of calling his phone by 205 which went straight to voicemail. The phone was either dead, turned off, or broken by that time. It always gives me the creeps when I hear of s phone going straight to voicemail in one of these cases like the bad thing had already happened to the person by the time the call was made. Given his height and what I understand of the open layout of the bar, I feel that Brian would have been fairly easy to spot if he was in the main area of the bar. I also think even if they didn't look too hard the least they probably did was look where Brian said he would be which was talking to someone in the band. They didn't see him. My feelings are that if Brian was still in the bar when his friends were looking they would have seen him unless he was in the kitchen or somewhere else they would not look. I also think that there are too many patrons staff and the band around between 2 am and when the bar officially closes for the night that someone would have said something by now. Too many different sets of people to be in some big conspiracy of silence if something bad had happened to Brian and no reason not to say he was seen after closing if there was no illegal or foul play element to cover up. I always wondered if Brian didn't run away on purpose and choose to do it from that bar due to the video cameras and some blind spot in them he knew about. It would give him the chance to say goodbye to family and friends and would also give those family and friends an air tight alibi. They are seen on video leaving with no Brian. I don't necessarily get the feeling he is alive though. Such a mystery. Can't wait for the follow up episode. I would love to see some more about the ringing cell phone and ping. I wonder how likely it could have been that it was a glitch that both the phone rang and that it pinged a tower. Also I noticed that Alexis and Derek still do the odd interview. I wonder if either of them would talk to you guys. I feel that all the interviews are the same old questions and I think there is a lot more to uncover there, like apparently Derek said Clint was saying not good things about Brian after the disappearance I wonder what those things were, or how often Brian partied or had been to that particular bar. Keep up the good work!

    First off love this podcast. Can't wait to listen to the rest.

    A little late to the party but have so many thoughts about this case.

    I watched some old footage about this case and noticed that it seemed to show the construction area as being right outside the doors of the bar and at the top of the escalator. I guess is this where the theatre would be now. The construction area was closed off by a big yellow door that was clearly marked and also looked like it had a lock on the outside. The other thing that caught my eye was that those two cops standing at the top of the escalator in the 155 am camera shot would have been basically right by the entrance to the construction area as well as anyone else who happened to leave the bar at closing time. I always pictured some out of sight construction area but it doesn't look that way from the footage. Does anyone know if the yellow door outside of the bar entrance is the construction area people are talking about? If so, it seems way less likely to me that he went in there.

    I think it's probably nothing but I always thought Alexis and Brian were dating a lot longer than they actually were. They were only together about ten months before he disappeared. Seems to me that an engagement at this point in their med school careers particularly given how new the relationship was would be unusual. It also leads me to believe that Alexis may not have known Brian as well as she thought she did since the relationship was relatively new.

    I don't know what to make of this case but I always thought that Brian must have disappeared in a very small window because he spoke to Clint and Meredith after 155 and they were actively looking for to the point of calling his phone by 205 which went straight to voicemail. The phone was either dead, turned off, or broken by that time. It always gives me the creeps when I hear of s phone going straight to voicemail in one of these cases like the bad thing had already happened to the person by the time the call was made.

    Given his height and what I understand of the open layout of the bar, I feel that Brian would have been fairly easy to spot if he was in the main area of the bar. I also think even if they didn't look too hard the least they probably did was look where Brian said he would be which was talking to someone in the band. They didn't see him. My feelings are that if Brian was still in the bar when his friends were looking they would have seen him unless he was in the kitchen or somewhere else they would not look. I also think that there are too many patrons staff and the band around between 2 am and when the bar officially closes for the night that someone would have said something by now. Too many different sets of people to be in some big conspiracy of silence if something bad had happened to Brian and no reason not to say he was seen after closing if there was no illegal or foul play element to cover up.

    I always wondered if Brian didn't run away on purpose and choose to do it from that bar due to the video cameras and some blind spot in them he knew about. It would give him the chance to say goodbye to family and friends and would also give those family and friends an air tight alibi. They are seen on video leaving with no Brian. I don't necessarily get the feeling he is alive though. Such a mystery.

    Can't wait for the follow up episode. I would love to see some more about the ringing cell phone and ping. I wonder how likely it could have been that it was a glitch that both the phone rang and that it pinged a tower. Also I noticed that Alexis and Derek still do the odd interview. I wonder if either of them would talk to you guys. I feel that all the interviews are the same old questions and I think there is a lot more to uncover there, like apparently Derek said Clint was saying not good things about Brian after the disappearance I wonder what those things were, or how often Brian partied or had been to that particular bar.

    Keep up the good work!

  • Doc

    Doc Anywhere

    Now I can believe several of the theories. Many are plausible even likely. But allow me to throw in a little crazy conspiracy theory. A young, fit, not yet married intelligent man with a degree in microbiology disappears with no trace, no DNA evidence, no body and no film... Could have possibly been recruited by a government agency. Having a background in intelligence this guy is the exact person that is sought after. However I don't know his personality, to which I can't speak on. Again, just a thought. There have already been crazier ideas thrown out there. Either way a very interesting case and good work. Keep it up.

    Now I can believe several of the theories. Many are plausible even likely. But allow me to throw in a little crazy conspiracy theory.
    A young, fit, not yet married intelligent man with a degree in microbiology disappears with no trace, no DNA evidence, no body and no film... Could have possibly been recruited by a government agency.
    Having a background in intelligence this guy is the exact person that is sought after. However I don't know his personality, to which I can't speak on. Again, just a thought. There have already been crazier ideas thrown out there.
    Either way a very interesting case and good work. Keep it up.

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous Columbus

    First, Clint was very wise not to take the polygraph. I advise anyone never take one! They are not reliable at all. I have personal experience. I indicated deception during my test. I was not lying and I am not a nervous or anxious type person. Polygraph are not admissable in court because they are so unreliable. In my case I demanded a jury trial as I knew I was innocent. End of story, I was acquitted. If you're not from Columbus, we have a shit-ton of cameras EVERYWHERE! Inside establishments, outside at street-corners, etc. The only other way out of The Ugly Tuna is a freight elevator which needs a code to operate. Also, like someone else mentioned, there is an open veranda on the second floor. It would be all but impossible to climb down from there without being noticed. Also, there's cameras out there. I have no theories. I'm baffled and it's such a sad situation.

    First, Clint was very wise not to take the polygraph. I advise anyone never take one! They are not reliable at all. I have personal experience. I indicated deception during my test. I was not lying and I am not a nervous or anxious type person. Polygraph are not admissable in court because they are so unreliable. In my case I demanded a jury trial as I knew I was innocent. End of story, I was acquitted.

    If you're not from Columbus, we have a shit-ton of cameras EVERYWHERE! Inside establishments, outside at street-corners, etc. The only other way out of The Ugly Tuna is a freight elevator which needs a code to operate. Also, like someone else mentioned, there is an open veranda on the second floor. It would be all but impossible to climb down from there without being noticed. Also, there's cameras out there.

    I have no theories. I'm baffled and it's such a sad situation.

  • Buckeye

    Buckeye Powell, OH

    If I understood the 100th episode correctly, are you guys working on a TV show regarding the Shaffer case? If so, that's f-ing awesome. Is that the "update" you guys alluded to in the comments section above? This case has always fascinated me because the Tuna was the go to spot for my group of friends throughout our OSU career- we spent damn near every weekend there from 2008-2010 as we lived only a couple of blocks away. I personally believe that the answer lies with someone that was in the band or a bar employee- someone that had access to and a reason to use the exit that is not on camera. Brian is on camera coming and going from the same entrance/exit twice in the evening, so he would've had to have a reason to deviate from that whenever he left via another route.

    If I understood the 100th episode correctly, are you guys working on a TV show regarding the Shaffer case? If so, that's f-ing awesome. Is that the "update" you guys alluded to in the comments section above?

    This case has always fascinated me because the Tuna was the go to spot for my group of friends throughout our OSU career- we spent damn near every weekend there from 2008-2010 as we lived only a couple of blocks away.

    I personally believe that the answer lies with someone that was in the band or a bar employee- someone that had access to and a reason to use the exit that is not on camera. Brian is on camera coming and going from the same entrance/exit twice in the evening, so he would've had to have a reason to deviate from that whenever he left via another route.

  • Chris

    Chris Scotland

    Why did Clint Florence's attorney Neil Rosenberg state, way back in 2009 that he was led to believe by detectives that Brian was alive? Surely it must have been something significant for him to state this. And why has there been no follow up or update on this statement in 8 years? And finally, surely if police had info that Brian was indeed alive or they believed him to be so, surely enough time has passed for the police to put the info out for the public to see and possibly help.

    Why did Clint Florence's attorney Neil Rosenberg state, way back in 2009 that he was led to believe by detectives that Brian was alive? Surely it must have been something significant for him to state this. And why has there been no follow up or update on this statement in 8 years?
    And finally, surely if police had info that Brian was indeed alive or they believed him to be so, surely enough time has passed for the police to put the info out for the public to see and possibly help.

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    Buckeye, We have been working with some nice folks to put something together regarding anti series or documentry still in "hopeful stages" but if we do something the Shaffer case is one that these folks would like to work on. Cheers, Nic

    Buckeye,

    We have been working with some nice folks to put something together regarding anti series or documentry still in "hopeful stages" but if we do something the Shaffer case is one that these folks would like to work on.
    Cheers,
    Nic

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    Chris, I think Clint was just using the police so that he can refuse to give a statement. If you read between the lines he is basically saying if Brian is alive then he does not want to be found and Clint will respect that decision Brian has made. Cheers, Nic

    Chris,
    I think Clint was just using the police so that he can refuse to give a statement. If you read between the lines he is basically saying if Brian is alive then he does not want to be found and Clint will respect that decision Brian has made.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • HarryD

    HarryD UK

    There was no apparent motive for foul play. Everyone else was accounted for on the surveillance footage except Brian. There was construction going on around the Ugly Tuna Saloona. It's not rocket science to figure out what happened. All this talk about drug deals gone sour and premeditated murder but I think the obvious is staring us in the face. For whatever reason, Brian returns to the bar shortly before closing time. As the bar's closing, Brian opts to leave via one of the side-exits. In his slightly inebriated state, he ends up in the construction site where he has an accident. Police admitted that it would've been too dangerous even if you were sober. His body falls inside one of the blindspots, and his remains are unintentionally buried over. That just seems like the most simplest, plausible explanation to me.

    There was no apparent motive for foul play. Everyone else was accounted for on the surveillance footage except Brian. There was construction going on around the Ugly Tuna Saloona. It's not rocket science to figure out what happened. All this talk about drug deals gone sour and premeditated murder but I think the obvious is staring us in the face. For whatever reason, Brian returns to the bar shortly before closing time. As the bar's closing, Brian opts to leave via one of the side-exits. In his slightly inebriated state, he ends up in the construction site where he has an accident. Police admitted that it would've been too dangerous even if you were sober. His body falls inside one of the blindspots, and his remains are unintentionally buried over. That just seems like the most simplest, plausible explanation to me.

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    We agree Harry. We have had several talks with persons that may have the ability to bring in sophisticated scanning devices to scan the walls and floors. We keep getting the old we'll get back with you as a response. Cheers, Nic

    We agree Harry. We have had several talks with persons that may have the ability to bring in sophisticated scanning devices to scan the walls and floors. We keep getting the old we'll get back with you as a response.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Nicole

    Nicole Philadelphia

    You guys are awesome! Thanks for always providing multiple levels of insight and different perspectives! After listening to your podcast and doing my own digging for quite a while, I think he fell through the construction site, ran away, or both. His comments to his girlfriend lead me to believe that he ran away. Asking her to leave him for someone else and suggesting they run away together days before disappearing? I can easily imagine the stress of medical school and his mothers passing being extremely stressful as well, and some people are good at hiding feelings. I can also see him not wanting his friends Clint and Meredith to see him run away so he left out a side door. People say why can't he just disappear another time but the timing is perfect, right after seeing his father, being on a break from school, but before the vacation and his girlfriend's return. Also being drunk could have put him over the edge. So in my head he left on his on volition, BUT could have potentially slipped while doing so and fell into the construction site. This would cover all the mysteries about where the body is. Either way, I'm unsure if he is alive, but it feels like he is not after all this time.

    You guys are awesome! Thanks for always providing multiple levels of insight and different perspectives! After listening to your podcast and doing my own digging for quite a while, I think he fell through the construction site, ran away, or both. His comments to his girlfriend lead me to believe that he ran away. Asking her to leave him for someone else and suggesting they run away together days before disappearing? I can easily imagine the stress of medical school and his mothers passing being extremely stressful as well, and some people are good at hiding feelings. I can also see him not wanting his friends Clint and Meredith to see him run away so he left out a side door. People say why can't he just disappear another time but the timing is perfect, right after seeing his father, being on a break from school, but before the vacation and his girlfriend's return. Also being drunk could have put him over the edge. So in my head he left on his on volition, BUT could have potentially slipped while doing so and fell into the construction site. This would cover all the mysteries about where the body is. Either way, I'm unsure if he is alive, but it feels like he is not after all this time.

  • Chris

    Chris Scotland

    Any further forward with getting the building scanned? Just imagine if he had been in there all along!

    Any further forward with getting the building scanned? Just imagine if he had been in there all along!

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    As said, We'll get back with ya. We will keep bringing it up but no. No movement on this. Nic

    As said,
    We'll get back with ya.
    We will keep bringing it up but no. No movement on this.
    Nic

  • Sarah

    Sarah Long Island

    Selfishly, I am relieved that I have only recently learned of Brian Shaffer's disappearance, as it has saved me years and years of being haunted. I absolutely loved readings everyone's theories, and this comments section has been my favorite online thread regarding this case that I've read. The thoughts I find particularly interesting relate to the suspicions of the Ugly Tuna employees. Many state that, since 'there were so many people around,' nothing could have happened to Brian at the bar. However, if the employees were in a hurry to exit as their shifts end at closing after a busy night, I find it highly unlikely they would have hung around and/or had the opportunity to notice anything suspicious near/at closing time. Then, if something did happen inside the Ugly Tuna after the bar was closed and only one or two people remained, there would have been hours to devise a way to get the body out unseen. I wonder if Brian frequented this bar, or if this was just a random bar he went to on a random day with his friend. I know that he was bar hopping, but I wonder if he had any actual connection to this particular establishment. If he frequented the Ugly Tuna, this lends to the idea(s) that: (a) he might have known people who worked there, (b) he was familiar with the layout (including how to get out undetected), (c) someone was, perhaps, stalking him or knew where to find him. That psychic theory of someone watching Brian from the balcony at the bar gives me chills in my bones and goosebumps--a reaction that a truly cannot ignore. I think that any indication by Alexis or any member of LE that Brian is still alive is truly wishful thinking and a way for them to cope with the unknown. Needless to say, I do think Brian was met with foul play (either inside or after leaving the bar), but that voicemail to Alexis, and the eerie timing of his requests that she run away with him and leave him for someone else is so incredibly strange. TCG, please, please keep us updated. Your passion for this case is evident in your comprehensive coverage and responses.

    Selfishly, I am relieved that I have only recently learned of Brian Shaffer's disappearance, as it has saved me years and years of being haunted. I absolutely loved readings everyone's theories, and this comments section has been my favorite online thread regarding this case that I've read. The thoughts I find particularly interesting relate to the suspicions of the Ugly Tuna employees. Many state that, since 'there were so many people around,' nothing could have happened to Brian at the bar. However, if the employees were in a hurry to exit as their shifts end at closing after a busy night, I find it highly unlikely they would have hung around and/or had the opportunity to notice anything suspicious near/at closing time. Then, if something did happen inside the Ugly Tuna after the bar was closed and only one or two people remained, there would have been hours to devise a way to get the body out unseen.

    I wonder if Brian frequented this bar, or if this was just a random bar he went to on a random day with his friend. I know that he was bar hopping, but I wonder if he had any actual connection to this particular establishment. If he frequented the Ugly Tuna, this lends to the idea(s) that: (a) he might have known people who worked there, (b) he was familiar with the layout (including how to get out undetected), (c) someone was, perhaps, stalking him or knew where to find him. That psychic theory of someone watching Brian from the balcony at the bar gives me chills in my bones and goosebumps--a reaction that a truly cannot ignore.

    I think that any indication by Alexis or any member of LE that Brian is still alive is truly wishful thinking and a way for them to cope with the unknown. Needless to say, I do think Brian was met with foul play (either inside or after leaving the bar), but that voicemail to Alexis, and the eerie timing of his requests that she run away with him and leave him for someone else is so incredibly strange.

    TCG, please, please keep us updated. Your passion for this case is evident in your comprehensive coverage and responses.

  • Sarah

    Sarah Long Island

    I forgot to note the incredibly interesting point that was made on here about some men traveling down the escalator at the time Brian was seen coming up--only to ride the escalator back up again right after him. I cannot bring myself to watch the surveillance footage again, but is this verifiable?

    I forgot to note the incredibly interesting point that was made on here about some men traveling down the escalator at the time Brian was seen coming up--only to ride the escalator back up again right after him. I cannot bring myself to watch the surveillance footage again, but is this verifiable?

  • Sarah

    Sarah Long Island

    A couple more points I haven't seen here that could point to crucial information in the final surveillance footage. A comment on the YouTube video of the Dateline segment on Brian points out that the two women Brian are speaking with at 1:55AM seem to point towards the area of the downward escalator/exit (first the woman in white, and then the other; they point to the same spot). It appears as if the women are fighting, as one shoves the other--possibly arguing about a person who left or who is outside. Brian also looks in that direction to see what they are talking about. Also, as another YouTube comment on that same video states, during the final surveillance footage at 1:55, Brian makes eye contact with a man directly to his left while standing outside of the Ugly Tuna entrance. The man is standing with his arms crossed, and he turns his head all the way around to look directly at Brian, and Brian looks back at him. It is unclear as to whether that man follows Brian into the bar, because the video cuts out. Here is the Dateline link. Begin the video at about 4:30, and watch closely. https://youtu.be/Fz50sB89uG8 Could be nothing. Could be everything. In the very slim chance that this could help in anyway, it's worth it to me to post these thoughts here.

    A couple more points I haven't seen here that could point to crucial information in the final surveillance footage. A comment on the YouTube video of the Dateline segment on Brian points out that the two women Brian are speaking with at 1:55AM seem to point towards the area of the downward escalator/exit (first the woman in white, and then the other; they point to the same spot). It appears as if the women are fighting, as one shoves the other--possibly arguing about a person who left or who is outside. Brian also looks in that direction to see what they are talking about.

    Also, as another YouTube comment on that same video states, during the final surveillance footage at 1:55, Brian makes eye contact with a man directly to his left while standing outside of the Ugly Tuna entrance. The man is standing with his arms crossed, and he turns his head all the way around to look directly at Brian, and Brian looks back at him. It is unclear as to whether that man follows Brian into the bar, because the video cuts out.

    Here is the Dateline link. Begin the video at about 4:30, and watch closely.
    https://youtu.be/Fz50sB89uG8

    Could be nothing. Could be everything. In the very slim chance that this could help in anyway, it's worth it to me to post these thoughts here.

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    Thank you Sarah! As to the question about if the Tuna was a regular spot for Brian. My guess would be yes but infrequently. I say yes because the bar was in walking distance to his apartment and having been there a few times the drinks are incredibly cheep- good for college kids and there's always a healthy batch of young ladies there- good for a college dude. I say infrequently because the impression I got from everything I've read and seen on Brian because he was a very serious student and an older med student I believe he really planned when he wanted to cut loose and was in no way a bar fly.

    Thank you Sarah!
    As to the question about if the Tuna was a regular spot for Brian. My guess would be yes but infrequently. I say yes because the bar was in walking distance to his apartment and having been there a few times the drinks are incredibly cheep- good for college kids and there's always a healthy batch of young ladies there- good for a college dude. I say infrequently because the impression I got from everything I've read and seen on Brian because he was a very serious student and an older med student I believe he really planned when he wanted to cut loose and was in no way a bar fly.

  • Jessica

    Jessica Raleigh, NC

    This was my first time listening to the podcast, and I love It! When trying to choose from the list of episodes, I picked Brian's story due to the high number of comments it had. After listening to Part 1 & 2 and reading this page, it's easy to see why this case has captivated so many! I just wanted to add a couple thoughts I had based solely on what I heard from the podcasts and read in the previous comments (I had no prior knowledge of the case and have not yet researched it any further): 1. Any argument that hinges on the "bar being so busy that night" holds no weight with me. I have visited OSU only once, so my opinion has NO basis on anything specific to Columbus; however, I was born, raised, and currently reside next to the largest public university in my state, which is now my alma mater also. Whenever there's an school break or even a holiday weekend, the college area of downtown Raleigh becomes a ghost town. While I can't personally speak for anywhere else, I assume that this would be true for most of the larger public state universities where the majority of students are in-state and from hometowns close enough for a quick trip back. 2. I also don't buy any theory that this was a pre-meditated escape with an intent to go off-the-grid, or start over elsewhere, etc. Why spend the money on a Spring Break vacation you never intended to take? Why have your girlfriend waste her money too? Why continue to research and plan for the trip? Not raising red flags is the only motive I can think of... but why? It seems like a lot of effort to be exerted solely for making it harder on loved ones to consider any potential alternatives other than tragedy. As for getting cold-feet or making a spontaneous decision to escape that night - I don't think that's likely at all! Not without leaving any trace, anyway! His credit cards weren't used, no money was withdrawn from his account, no reports of him returning to his apartment to pick up a hidden stash of money... nothing! You can't make it that far without having either money or help (i.e. witnesses). 3. This one is a potential foul play scenario that's more plausible to me than the idea he was intentionally murdered at the bar by someone who knew him: What if it was an accidental death - like somehow Brian ended up laying down on his back somewhere in the bar that night and then choked to death on his own vomit? Maybe the staff had let him stay after hours because he was so intoxicated - maybe he had told them his friend would be back to get him soon. Maybe at some point he went to the bathroom to puke, then laid out on the floor and passed out? Maybe he just drunkenly fell somewhere? Maybe whatever happened occurred after he had taken even more shots with the staff? Or maybe it was after they had done other drugs? Or maybe they thought he had gotten up to leave and didn't realize he was dead on the bathroom floor until someone went to turn the lights off an hour later? Maybe whoever found him feared they would have been held liable? If he didn't leave the bar alive that night, maybe Brian died an accidental death that was intentionally covered-up by the only one or two person(s) that know what happened to him.

    This was my first time listening to the podcast, and I love It! When trying to choose from the list of episodes, I picked Brian's story due to the high number of comments it had. After listening to Part 1 & 2 and reading this page, it's easy to see why this case has captivated so many! I just wanted to add a couple thoughts I had based solely on what I heard from the podcasts and read in the previous comments (I had no prior knowledge of the case and have not yet researched it any further):

    1. Any argument that hinges on the "bar being so busy that night" holds no weight with me. I have visited OSU only once, so my opinion has NO basis on anything specific to Columbus; however, I was born, raised, and currently reside next to the largest public university in my state, which is now my alma mater also. Whenever there's an school break or even a holiday weekend, the college area of downtown Raleigh becomes a ghost town. While I can't personally speak for anywhere else, I assume that this would be true for most of the larger public state universities where the majority of students are in-state and from hometowns close enough for a quick trip back.

    2. I also don't buy any theory that this was a pre-meditated escape with an intent to go off-the-grid, or start over elsewhere, etc. Why spend the money on a Spring Break vacation you never intended to take? Why have your girlfriend waste her money too? Why continue to research and plan for the trip? Not raising red flags is the only motive I can think of... but why? It seems like a lot of effort to be exerted solely for making it harder on loved ones to consider any potential alternatives other than tragedy.

    As for getting cold-feet or making a spontaneous decision to escape that night - I don't think that's likely at all! Not without leaving any trace, anyway! His credit cards weren't used, no money was withdrawn from his account, no reports of him returning to his apartment to pick up a hidden stash of money... nothing! You can't make it that far without having either money or help (i.e. witnesses).

    3. This one is a potential foul play scenario that's more plausible to me than the idea he was intentionally murdered at the bar by someone who knew him: What if it was an accidental death - like somehow Brian ended up laying down on his back somewhere in the bar that night and then choked to death on his own vomit?

    Maybe the staff had let him stay after hours because he was so intoxicated - maybe he had told them his friend would be back to get him soon. Maybe at some point he went to the bathroom to puke, then laid out on the floor and passed out? Maybe he just drunkenly fell somewhere? Maybe whatever happened occurred after he had taken even more shots with the staff? Or maybe it was after they had done other drugs? Or maybe they thought he had gotten up to leave and didn't realize he was dead on the bathroom floor until someone went to turn the lights off an hour later? Maybe whoever found him feared they would have been held liable?

    If he didn't leave the bar alive that night, maybe Brian died an accidental death that was intentionally covered-up by the only one or two person(s) that know what happened to him.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Hi Jessica - thanks for stopping by. I agree this has foul play written all of it for me. Forgive me because it's been a long time since we recorded this episode so I don't remember what was said but I believe he was robbed and killed on his way home and thrown in a dumpster that wasn't searched until after it was collected. Regarding the area and the bar what you are saying about turning into a ghost town sounds accurate however not for the night he went missing. The bar and the area were absolutely hopping that night. Cheers, Nic

    Hi Jessica - thanks for stopping by. I agree this has foul play written all of it for me. Forgive me because it's been a long time since we recorded this episode so I don't remember what was said but I believe he was robbed and killed on his way home and thrown in a dumpster that wasn't searched until after it was collected. Regarding the area and the bar what you are saying about turning into a ghost town sounds accurate however not for the night he went missing. The bar and the area were absolutely hopping that night.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Sarah

    Sarah Long Island

    [quote=True Crime Garage ] Hi Jessica - thanks for stopping by. I agree this has foul play written all of it for me. Forgive me because it's been a long time since we recorded this episode so I don't remember what was said but I believe he was robbed and killed on his way home and thrown in a dumpster that wasn't searched until after it was collected. Regarding the area and the bar what you are saying about turning into a ghost town sounds accurate however not for the night he went missing. The bar and the area were absolutely hopping that night. Cheers, Nic [/quote] Hi Nic! Regarding your latest response and the point that you think Brian was robbed and killed while walking home, one of the biggest questions I have regarding this case is surveillance in the surrounding area of the Ugly Tuna. In your podcast, you do a good job of setting the scene and describing Columbus at the time Brian went missing, and how the town was begging to make improvements. However, being that you guys have a far more in-depth knowledge of the city than I do (I've never even been there), do you think that he would have been caught on surveillance footage of a nearby establishment? Also, out of curiosity, since you believe Brian was robbed and killed after leaving the Ugly Tuna, I'm wondering how you believe Brian exited the bar that night? I would love to hear your thoughts!

    True Crime Garage wrote:

    Hi Jessica - thanks for stopping by. I agree this has foul play written all of it for me. Forgive me because it's been a long time since we recorded this episode so I don't remember what was said but I believe he was robbed and killed on his way home and thrown in a dumpster that wasn't searched until after it was collected. Regarding the area and the bar what you are saying about turning into a ghost town sounds accurate however not for the night he went missing. The bar and the area were absolutely hopping that night.
    Cheers,
    Nic

    Hi Nic! Regarding your latest response and the point that you think Brian was robbed and killed while walking home, one of the biggest questions I have regarding this case is surveillance in the surrounding area of the Ugly Tuna. In your podcast, you do a good job of setting the scene and describing Columbus at the time Brian went missing, and how the town was begging to make improvements. However, being that you guys have a far more in-depth knowledge of the city than I do (I've never even been there), do you think that he would have been caught on surveillance footage of a nearby establishment? Also, out of curiosity, since you believe Brian was robbed and killed after leaving the Ugly Tuna, I'm wondering how you believe Brian exited the bar that night? I would love to hear your thoughts!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    That's the problem with this case. While I think he was robbed and killed on his way home that of course means he makes it out of the bar. It's a very tough one because I do think it would be hard for him to go without being caught on camera leaving either by the buildings surveillance which in fact that's what caught him on camera going in was actually the buildings surveillance not the bars. But also the properties surrounding the building/bar should have picked him up too. But I also don't think it would be 100 % impossible for that to happen. Very, very unlikely but not impossible. - we may never know.... Nic

    That's the problem with this case. While I think he was robbed and killed on his way home that of course means he makes it out of the bar. It's a very tough one because I do think it would be hard for him to go without being caught on camera leaving either by the buildings surveillance which in fact that's what caught him on camera going in was actually the buildings surveillance not the bars. But also the properties surrounding the building/bar should have picked him up too. But I also don't think it would be 100 % impossible for that to happen. Very, very unlikely but not impossible.
    - we may never know....
    Nic

  • Hue Jashole

    Hue Jashole Earth

    He died accidentally and on his own. He drunkenly stumbled in the back. Curiosity led him to the 2nd floor garbage chute. While looking down into it he lost his balance and fell. Minutes later the employees began cleaning up for the night and began throwing garbage down the garbage chute. That morning the dump truck came and collected the garbage. He is under a large pile of garbage in a landfill. Cadaver dogs wouldn't be able to pick up the scent unfortunately. Logically, the mystery has been solved. You're welcome.

    He died accidentally and on his own. He drunkenly stumbled in the back. Curiosity led him to the 2nd floor garbage chute. While looking down into it he lost his balance and fell. Minutes later the employees began cleaning up for the night and began throwing garbage down the garbage chute. That morning the dump truck came and collected the garbage. He is under a large pile of garbage in a landfill. Cadaver dogs wouldn't be able to pick up the scent unfortunately. Logically, the mystery has been solved. You're welcome.

  • Kevin

    Kevin RI

    I think that it is safe to say that if someone falls into the water while peeing their fly would be down or their pants unbuttoned. It seems like this would be easy to identify when the body was found. So keep this in mind when applying this theory to other drowning cases when the body was found. Great work guys.

    I think that it is safe to say that if someone falls into the water while peeing their fly would be down or their pants unbuttoned. It seems like this would be easy to identify when the body was found. So keep this in mind when applying this theory to other drowning cases when the body was found. Great work guys.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Unless falling in before or just after- pants would not need to be unzipped. I do firmly believe that in some of these cases that is what we are looking at some form of accident. Not all cases but certainly some. Nic

    Unless falling in before or just after- pants would not need to be unzipped. I do firmly believe that in some of these cases that is what we are looking at some form of accident. Not all cases but certainly some.
    Nic

  • Buckeye

    Buckeye Powell, OH

    Whatever happened to him, I still think there would have had to be a *reason* that he would have used the alternate exit. We already know that he went in the main escalator entrance, went back out the escalator exit, came back in that same way, then was seen talking to the girls in the same escalator area. The fact that police said they accounted for everyone else that came in that evening means that of all the patrons, Brian would have been the *only* one that used this exit. Baffling.

    Whatever happened to him, I still think there would have had to be a *reason* that he would have used the alternate exit. We already know that he went in the main escalator entrance, went back out the escalator exit, came back in that same way, then was seen talking to the girls in the same escalator area. The fact that police said they accounted for everyone else that came in that evening means that of all the patrons, Brian would have been the *only* one that used this exit. Baffling.

  • Kevin

    Kevin providence ri

    I agree Nic. Here's one quote I read a while ago which I always remember while pissing outdoors. "He says this most often happens when men are urinating off the back of their boat. “There is a noted thing in the sailing community. After a man pees, his blood pressure drops, and some people become dizzy and fall off the back of the boat with their wanger hanging out. And if they’re alone and it’s nighttime, the boat keeps sailing away from them.” take for the article "The Unwavering Importance of Gay Sailing Clubs" By Chadwick Moore Out.com

    I agree Nic.
    Here's one quote I read a while ago which I always remember while pissing outdoors.
    "He says this most often happens when men are urinating off the back of their boat. “There is a noted thing in the sailing community. After a man pees, his blood pressure drops, and some people become dizzy and fall off the back of the boat with their wanger hanging out. And if they’re alone and it’s nighttime, the boat keeps sailing away from them.” take for the article "The Unwavering Importance of Gay Sailing Clubs" By Chadwick Moore Out.com

  • Mike

    Mike Nebraska

    The key to this case is, of course, the Columbus PD's assertion that they can guarantee "with 100% certainty" that every person in the bar that night can be seen on the escalator camera leaving ... everyone except Brian. If this is true, and there were no technical video glitches, and if no other exterior CCTV cameras in the plaza picked up any images of Brian, there can only be 2 possible solutions. #1, Brian never left the building and his body is probably buried somewhere in the area that was under construction in 2006. Or #2, Brian was murdered in the bar, his body was hidden and then removed the next day. Nothing else makes any sense. From everything I've read, he was a fairly meticulous person. If he were going to make himself disappear, why do it under the sloppy and convoluted circumstances seen here. Why not just walk home and then vanish? Who cares if he is seen leaving on CCTV? No, something happened to him in the bar that night and he is certainly dead. If this case is ever going to be solved, either the killer must confess or a radar scan of the construction area must be conducted.

    The key to this case is, of course, the Columbus PD's assertion that they can guarantee "with 100% certainty" that every person in the bar that night can be seen on the escalator camera leaving ... everyone except Brian. If this is true, and there were no technical video glitches, and if no other exterior CCTV cameras in the plaza picked up any images of Brian, there can only be 2 possible solutions. #1, Brian never left the building and his body is probably buried somewhere in the area that was under construction in 2006. Or #2, Brian was murdered in the bar, his body was hidden and then removed the next day. Nothing else makes any sense. From everything I've read, he was a fairly meticulous person. If he were going to make himself disappear, why do it under the sloppy and convoluted circumstances seen here. Why not just walk home and then vanish? Who cares if he is seen leaving on CCTV? No, something happened to him in the bar that night and he is certainly dead. If this case is ever going to be solved, either the killer must confess or a radar scan of the construction area must be conducted.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    I agree Mike the answers CPD were looking for lay within the walls of that building. I think more so with the staff. TV shows have not done this case justice in my opinion. There are other ways out of that building than just the escalator but it would be weird for a bar patron to utilize any of these other ways out but if he had stayed in after closing maybe not. The bar is however small enough that if he stayed in after closing he would have seen by bar employees so if this happened why was this never passed to the police. I hope I'm wrong but I still feel like he's in the landfill. Somebody did something to him. Nic

    I agree Mike the answers CPD were looking for lay within the walls of that building. I think more so with the staff. TV shows have not done this case justice in my opinion. There are other ways out of that building than just the escalator but it would be weird for a bar patron to utilize any of these other ways out but if he had stayed in after closing maybe not. The bar is however small enough that if he stayed in after closing he would have seen by bar employees so if this happened why was this never passed to the police. I hope I'm wrong but I still feel like he's in the landfill. Somebody did something to him.
    Nic

  • Chris

    Chris Knoxville

    What if Clint is the key? Either he knew what really happened and didn't want to take a lie detector test to keep himself out of trouble.. OR he helped Brian disappear and is the only one who knows where he really is and he doesn't cooperate with law to keep his friend's secret.

    What if Clint is the key? Either he knew what really happened and didn't want to take a lie detector test to keep himself out of trouble.. OR he helped Brian disappear and is the only one who knows where he really is and he doesn't cooperate with law to keep his friend's secret.

  • LEX

    LEX Toronto

    Perhaps this whole disappearance is some elaborate hoax. Brian Schaeffer went missing on April Fools Day and his initials are BS.

    Perhaps this whole disappearance is some elaborate hoax. Brian Schaeffer went missing on April Fools Day and his initials are BS.

  • Bill

    Bill Ohio

    Just FYI the bar closed at 2:30 and last call is 2:10. I've been there.

    Just FYI the bar closed at 2:30 and last call is 2:10. I've been there.

  • Elle

    Elle Toronto

    I'm gonna throw a wild theory out here: is there any chance that this entire case is a HOAX? A friend of mine actually pitched this idea when were discussing this case on *April 1st*. Could it actually have been an April Fool's Day stunt by the bar (he went missing on April Fool's day) to drum up publicity and ongoing intrigue - maybe even a good ol' Urban Legend in a college town? I wonder if revenue increased after the "disappearance "because the Ugly Tuna Saloona suddenly became a mysterious/tourist attraction. Perhaps after a significant increase in traffic to the bar, the bar decided not to come clean about the prank and people are still searching for a dude who never actually existed? Was there ever really a Brian Shaffer (his initials are BS ..which we all know is an acronym for bullsh*t)? Just a thought...because clearly anything is possible with this one.

    I'm gonna throw a wild theory out here: is there any chance that this entire case is a HOAX? A friend of mine actually pitched this idea when were discussing this case on *April 1st*. Could it actually have been an April Fool's Day stunt by the bar (he went missing on April Fool's day) to drum up publicity and ongoing intrigue - maybe even a good ol' Urban Legend in a college town? I wonder if revenue increased after the "disappearance "because the Ugly Tuna Saloona suddenly became a mysterious/tourist attraction. Perhaps after a significant increase in traffic to the bar, the bar decided not to come clean about the prank and people are still searching for a dude who never actually existed? Was there ever really a Brian Shaffer (his initials are BS ..which we all know is an acronym for bullsh*t)? Just a thought...because clearly anything is possible with this one.

  • Bill

    Bill Ohio

    OK so I say in all modesty that over the last 10 years I have researched this case to death. I live near this bar and been there. Lots of misinformation. The bars closes at 2:30 last call is 2:10. Call them and they will tell you and it has always been this way. There were no bouncers at this bar. There are 2 Columbus police officers hired to watch the outside to make sure people do not go anywhere else in that building because every other business is closed. The bar is small, very small. You are NOT going to kill someone inside and get away with it. You might as well try to walk inside a Wendy's and try to kill someone with out being seen. The construction site was no a "room". It was a very long hallway that you could enter from the near by bar and the exit was at the bottom left of the building complex abut 400 feet away. As the police said it would be difficult for a sober person to navigate through there. There are no "walls" for him to be in. The police watched the videos not just after closing but for a couple days after to see if Brian left or was taken out in the trash and they saw nothing. The employees the band and all deliveries were made by using the same entrance that the patrons used. I emailed an ex employee who verified this. There is no secret doorway for employees and there is no freight elevator. To the left of the escalator is an elevator. Go on line and you can take a virtual tour of the place and see. To the back right of the bar is a small stage for the band. It is about 3 feet high and one can easily hide underneath this stage if you wanted to, I was there I took pics and this is something that I noticed right away. To the right of the stage there are 3 big tall garage type doors that open to a patio that is directly above a restaurant. So just food for thought. Brian could have hid under the stage waited for the bar to close opened the garage doors closed them behind him and they would have locked. He then stepped over the rail and stepped on to the roof below which was about 90 inches below. From there he jumped off to the walk way below turned right and disappeared from there. Did he do this? I have no idea but he could have. The why I have no clue but delve into his state of mind at the time and it's plausible.

    OK so I say in all modesty that over the last 10 years I have researched this case to death. I live near this bar and been there. Lots of misinformation. The bars closes at 2:30 last call is 2:10. Call them and they will tell you and it has always been this way. There were no bouncers at this bar. There are 2 Columbus police officers hired to watch the outside to make sure people do not go anywhere else in that building because every other business is closed. The bar is small, very small. You are NOT going to kill someone inside and get away with it. You might as well try to walk inside a Wendy's and try to kill someone with out being seen.
    The construction site was no a "room". It was a very long hallway that you could enter from the near by bar and the exit was at the bottom left of the building complex abut 400 feet away. As the police said it would be difficult for a sober person to navigate through there. There are no "walls" for him to be in.
    The police watched the videos not just after closing but for a couple days after to see if Brian left or was taken out in the trash and they saw nothing. The employees the band and all deliveries were made by using the same entrance that the patrons used. I emailed an ex employee who verified this. There is no secret doorway for employees and there is no freight elevator. To the left of the escalator is an elevator. Go on line and you can take a virtual tour of the place and see.
    To the back right of the bar is a small stage for the band. It is about 3 feet high and one can easily hide underneath this stage if you wanted to, I was there I took pics and this is something that I noticed right away.
    To the right of the stage there are 3 big tall garage type doors that open to a patio that is directly above a restaurant.
    So just food for thought. Brian could have hid under the stage waited for the bar to close opened the garage doors closed them behind him and they would have locked. He then stepped over the rail and stepped on to the roof below which was about 90 inches below. From there he jumped off to the walk way below turned right and disappeared from there. Did he do this? I have no idea but he could have. The why I have no clue but delve into his state of mind at the time and it's plausible.

  • sabrina letasi

    sabrina letasi

    Any further info on his case? Very interesting and curious to know what else people locally there have found out. Love you guys at the True Crime Garage, can't get enough of your podcasts, keep up the good work and we will keep listening.

    Any further info on his case? Very interesting and curious to know what else people locally there have found out.

    Love you guys at the True Crime Garage, can't get enough of your podcasts, keep up the good work and we will keep listening.

  • Gary

    Gary Oregon

    The road to solving this mystery leads back to Clint. Not only did he lawyer up, he apparently was not very helpful in trying to find Brian after his disappearance. Brian's bother mentioned how dismissive Clint was of Brian's disappearance. Very peculiar way for a 'friend' to react. My gut also says Brian did not disappear to start a new life. He would have gotten word to his family that he was all right. We also would have seen him on video somewhere in town walking away from his life.

    The road to solving this mystery leads back to Clint. Not only did he lawyer up, he apparently was not very helpful in trying to find Brian after his disappearance. Brian's bother mentioned how dismissive Clint was of Brian's disappearance.
    Very peculiar way for a 'friend' to react.

    My gut also says Brian did not disappear to start a new life. He would have gotten word to his family that he was all right.
    We also would have seen him on video somewhere in town walking away from his life.

  • WakeUp

    WakeUp Reality

    Brain Shaffer aka Jax Taylor throws up the sixes and the horns.

    Brain Shaffer aka Jax Taylor throws up the sixes and the horns.

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