COLUMBINE ////// 09



Columbine  

High school seniors Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold brought upon the students and teachers of Columbine high their own "little judgement day." They spent over year heisting a plan to be famous and to go down in a blaze of glory. What they would leave behind was far from glory. They left only pain, sorrow, and grief to the people of Littleton, Colorado. In the process they would shame their families and leave them with pain and grief as well.  

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21 comments

  • Jennifer

    Jennifer Dallas, TX

    Nic & Captain Fantastic-O (lol-love it)- Just wanted to give cud-dos to the both of you for a job well done on all these stories. I am a True Crime freak (no i am not crazy person just fascinated with all this) I once wanted to be a forensic investigator, guess that's why I am so obsessed...sadly didn't happen. But I listen to you guys every chance I get. Keep em coming!

    Nic & Captain Fantastic-O (lol-love it)-

    Just wanted to give cud-dos to the both of you for a job well done on all these stories. I am a True Crime freak (no i am not crazy person just fascinated with all this) I once wanted to be a forensic investigator, guess that's why I am so obsessed...sadly didn't happen. But I listen to you guys every chance I get. Keep em coming!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Jennifer welcome to the garage! We are all crazy true crime fans here. Sign the mailing list for the inside tips and review on iTunes when you can. Thanks for the love. captain

    Jennifer welcome to the garage! We are all crazy true crime fans here. Sign the mailing list for the inside tips and review on iTunes when you can. Thanks for the love.
    captain

  • CJ

    CJ Springfield OR

    In 1998, there was a school shooting - Thurston High School with Kip Kinkle. This happened about 5 blocks from our apartment, and I had returned to work after maternity leave the week prior. This shooting started (I believe) the blue promise ribbon campaign for ending school violence. The shock of Columbine brought it all back, and the town was upset because it was hoped that it would be the last one.

    In 1998, there was a school shooting - Thurston High School with Kip Kinkle. This happened about 5 blocks from our apartment, and I had returned to work after maternity leave the week prior. This shooting started (I believe) the blue promise ribbon campaign for ending school violence. The shock of Columbine brought it all back, and the town was upset because it was hoped that it would be the last one.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thanks for the information. Now I get to talk shit to Nic about this. haha Captain

    Thanks for the information. Now I get to talk shit to Nic about this. haha
    Captain

  • Mike K

    Mike K

    Hi Nic and Captain, I was so happy you mentioned the Dave Cullen book, COLUMBINE. I recently read this book and it was hard to talk to people about it since the topic was so depressing, but it was hard not to talk about since it was such a good read. Finally, great shows. I'm loving your guys choices of true crime to investigate. Captain, great music man. I'm loving the intros, it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. Good sound engineering makes such a huge difference, people don't even know! Nic, your authoritative knowledge of true crime is very cool, and I'm glad you've found an outlet for it. Mike K

    Hi Nic and Captain,

    I was so happy you mentioned the Dave Cullen book, COLUMBINE. I recently read this book and it was hard to talk to people about it since the topic was so depressing, but it was hard not to talk about since it was such a good read.

    Finally, great shows. I'm loving your guys choices of true crime to investigate. Captain, great music man. I'm loving the intros, it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. Good sound engineering makes such a huge difference, people don't even know! Nic, your authoritative knowledge of true crime is very cool, and I'm glad you've found an outlet for it.

    Mike K

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Mike K thank you for the kind words. Totally agree and I am so glad that Nic has find a good outlet for his knowledge and passion. Most people haven't figured out that I'm the producer and side kick. I'm very new to true crime so I'm learning every week. Hope all is well in your world and thanks again. Captain

    Mike K thank you for the kind words. Totally agree and I am so glad that Nic has find a good outlet for his knowledge and passion. Most people haven't figured out that I'm the producer and side kick. I'm very new to true crime so I'm learning every week. Hope all is well in your world and thanks again.
    Captain

  • Great episode! Love David Cullen's columbine, one of my favorites. You guys mentioned Eric hurting himself during the shootings, didn't he break his nose while firing one of the weapons? Thought Cullen wrote about it in the book.

    Great episode! Love David Cullen's columbine, one of my favorites. You guys mentioned Eric hurting himself during the shootings, didn't he break his nose while firing one of the weapons? Thought Cullen wrote about it in the book.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    In the book he talks about it and a few shows I have seen them mention this. I have also heard they never confirmed he being hurt because maybe the suicide made it difficult to know for sure.

    In the book he talks about it and a few shows I have seen them mention this. I have also heard they never confirmed he being hurt because maybe the suicide made it difficult to know for sure.

  • That makes sense. I watched the zero hour doc and thought it was great, first hand interviews and everything. Interesting to see brooks brown. One thing that really stuck out to me was how young the majority of the victims were. Youngest was 14-just a baby, so sad. And Daniel Mauser (?) only 15. Really made me change my view on Eric and Dylan. It was extremely cowardly what they did. And Eric's whole "natural selection" ideology- so if it's about taking out the weak and lame, and he kills himself, what does that say? Never really understood why they committed suicide. Mcveigh didnt. Their motives to me now just seems grossly immature.

    That makes sense. I watched the zero hour doc and thought it was great, first hand interviews and everything. Interesting to see brooks brown. One thing that really stuck out to me was how young the majority of the victims were. Youngest was 14-just a baby, so sad. And Daniel Mauser (?) only 15. Really made me change my view on Eric and Dylan. It was extremely cowardly what they did. And Eric's whole "natural selection" ideology- so if it's about taking out the weak and lame, and he kills himself, what does that say? Never really understood why they committed suicide. Mcveigh didnt. Their motives to me now just seems grossly immature.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    I agree totally with you. I still find this case really interesting and look it up from time to time. Thanks for listening captain

    I agree totally with you. I still find this case really interesting and look it up from time to time. Thanks for listening
    captain

  • Dana

    Dana Ireland

    Another interesting April 20th fact - - the Zodiac identity cipher was sent on that date....

    Another interesting April 20th fact - - the Zodiac identity cipher was sent on that date....

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Dana very cool!!! 4/20 is one crazy date.

    Dana very cool!!! 4/20 is one crazy date.

  • Katie

    Katie Alabama

    I'm new to the podcast and, so far, really love the way you guys cover some tough subjects. It's thorough, but respectful, which I find lacking in many podcasts on similar subjects. I was really excited to see this episode listed when I was going back through your podcast. I became interested in learning more about the Columbine event after attending an active shooter training at work. We were shown the horrible video/audio of what happened in the library to demonstrate the mindset of the person you would be facing in that situation as well as to point out some critical things you should not do if ever faced with an active shooter. It was important to see but exceptionally difficult to watch. One thing that the trainer pointed out towards the end of the recording was the change in Dylan's (??) attitude towards what they are doing. He says something along the lines of "I can see my reflection in his blood" while standing over one of his victims. Until this point they were taunting victims and appear to be enjoying themselves. Eric (??) then mentions that more first responders have arrived and suggests they try to kill a few more. Dylan, whose whole demeanor has changed, says something like "no, I'm done" and after some back and forth, convinces Eric that they should commit suicide and not engage anyone else. That exchange came to mind when you were talking about how they were not psychologically prepared for what they were doing. It's almost as if you see the reality of it sinking in. Unfortunately it was much too late. Anyway, great job and I look forward to catching up on the rest of the episodes.

    I'm new to the podcast and, so far, really love the way you guys cover some tough subjects. It's thorough, but respectful, which I find lacking in many podcasts on similar subjects. I was really excited to see this episode listed when I was going back through your podcast. I became interested in learning more about the Columbine event after attending an active shooter training at work. We were shown the horrible video/audio of what happened in the library to demonstrate the mindset of the person you would be facing in that situation as well as to point out some critical things you should not do if ever faced with an active shooter. It was important to see but exceptionally difficult to watch. One thing that the trainer pointed out towards the end of the recording was the change in Dylan's (??) attitude towards what they are doing. He says something along the lines of "I can see my reflection in his blood" while standing over one of his victims. Until this point they were taunting victims and appear to be enjoying themselves. Eric (??) then mentions that more first responders have arrived and suggests they try to kill a few more. Dylan, whose whole demeanor has changed, says something like "no, I'm done" and after some back and forth, convinces Eric that they should commit suicide and not engage anyone else. That exchange came to mind when you were talking about how they were not psychologically prepared for what they were doing. It's almost as if you see the reality of it sinking in. Unfortunately it was much too late. Anyway, great job and I look forward to catching up on the rest of the episodes.

  • Jess

    Jess Ohio

    I just listened to Sue Klebolds book. It was really good and interesting. I just wanted to clarify a couple things based on her account. Dylan was a great baseball player but hurt myself badly pitching and had to stop for a while. When he tried out in high school he was out of practice and was cut from the team. He was very gangly and uncoordinated according to his mother. He and Eric played soccer together between sophomore and junior year and Dylan wasn't good but he did it for fun. The reason it is believed Eric was the mastermind is because he was. Their journals revealed this. Eric's journal was violent and it's assumed he was an undiagnosed psychopath though a posthumous diagnosis is impossible. Dylan's journals show he's suicidal and depressed and many times he plans to kill himself. He writes about love and wanting love and unrequited love a lot. He calls the plan "NBK" and calls it Eric's plan many many times. That is why it's reported Eric masterminded and Dylan was a follower. Dylan actually said in the journal that he thought he'd be dead long before Eric's plan came to fruition. I think the journals are publicly assessable. Also Dylan is part Jewish and he fought hard to hide that from Eric on many occasions.

    I just listened to Sue Klebolds book. It was really good and interesting. I just wanted to clarify a couple things based on her account. Dylan was a great baseball player but hurt myself badly pitching and had to stop for a while. When he tried out in high school he was out of practice and was cut from the team. He was very gangly and uncoordinated according to his mother. He and Eric played soccer together between sophomore and junior year and Dylan wasn't good but he did it for fun.
    The reason it is believed Eric was the mastermind is because he was. Their journals revealed this. Eric's journal was violent and it's assumed he was an undiagnosed psychopath though a posthumous diagnosis is impossible. Dylan's journals show he's suicidal and depressed and many times he plans to kill himself. He writes about love and wanting love and unrequited love a lot. He calls the plan "NBK" and calls it Eric's plan many many times. That is why it's reported Eric masterminded and Dylan was a follower. Dylan actually said in the journal that he thought he'd be dead long before Eric's plan came to fruition. I think the journals are publicly assessable. Also Dylan is part Jewish and he fought hard to hide that from Eric on many occasions.

  • Rachel

    Rachel Denver

    New to the podcast---I don't understand how you even did this podcast, because both of you do not have adequate information. It was interesting, but you have to have at least decent knowledge of Columbine to talk about it. Like cmon.

    New to the podcast---I don't understand how you even did this podcast, because both of you do not have adequate information. It was interesting, but you have to have at least decent knowledge of Columbine to talk about it. Like cmon.

  • Heather

    Heather Portland, OR

    Sorry, guys, but I have to agree with Rachel in Denver. I spent six moths researching Columbine as part of my college thesis. I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination, but it doesn't take much to dig up way more information than you had. Cullen's book and Zero Hour are a good start, but expert Peter Langman has a great site called schoolshooter.info that has good information (including a link to the entire Jeffco report), and there are some good YouTube channels as well that have dug through a lot of the information and documentation out there. One of the things you discussed as being questionable is Eric getting injured. They do know that Eric broke his nose during the attack because it's in his autopsy report. You can find those online as well. One of the biggest issues with this incident (and Dave Cullen mentions it frequently) was the media's jump to put out information rather than making sure it was right. This was such a problem that many of the misinformation is still believed to be true 17 years later. By doing your podcast without the benefit of the correct information available today, I don't think you did right by the case. I'm a brand new listener and will keep listening, but I will stick to the cases that I don't know about going forward.

    Sorry, guys, but I have to agree with Rachel in Denver. I spent six moths researching Columbine as part of my college thesis. I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination, but it doesn't take much to dig up way more information than you had. Cullen's book and Zero Hour are a good start, but expert Peter Langman has a great site called schoolshooter.info that has good information (including a link to the entire Jeffco report), and there are some good YouTube channels as well that have dug through a lot of the information and documentation out there.

    One of the things you discussed as being questionable is Eric getting injured. They do know that Eric broke his nose during the attack because it's in his autopsy report. You can find those online as well.

    One of the biggest issues with this incident (and Dave Cullen mentions it frequently) was the media's jump to put out information rather than making sure it was right. This was such a problem that many of the misinformation is still believed to be true 17 years later. By doing your podcast without the benefit of the correct information available today, I don't think you did right by the case. I'm a brand new listener and will keep listening, but I will stick to the cases that I don't know about going forward.

  • Josh

    Josh Brooklyn

    Dave Cullen doesn't know what he's talking about. Read Brooks Brown's book "No Easy Answers". He's been friends with Dylan since he was 5. Check out Crime Video Archives on Youtube.

    Dave Cullen doesn't know what he's talking about.

    Read Brooks Brown's book "No Easy Answers".

    He's been friends with Dylan since he was 5.

    Check out Crime Video Archives on Youtube.

  • CraftyCanuck

    CraftyCanuck Saskatchewan

    While I find some of the information in the podcast interesting, and I realize this was early on in your podcast history, some of it was pure conjecture and lacking. I suggest listeners do their own research, as a mother myself, I have watched more than one interview, and read articles by Sue Klebold. While she may never know exactly why this tragedy took place, she does give a unique perspective as Dylan's mother.

    While I find some of the information in the podcast interesting, and I realize this was early on in your podcast history, some of it was pure conjecture and lacking.
    I suggest listeners do their own research, as a mother myself, I have watched more than one interview, and read articles by Sue Klebold. While she may never know exactly why this tragedy took place, she does give a unique perspective as Dylan's mother.

  • Shani

    Shani Texas

    Disappointed that Stitcher crashed and cannot find the audio file for this episode. I was an hour in and suddenly it stopped.

    Disappointed that Stitcher crashed and cannot find the audio file for this episode. I was an hour in and suddenly it stopped.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    we are working with stitcher to fix some bugs. Should be done by Monday or Tuesday. sorry for the inconvenience - Nic

    we are working with stitcher to fix some bugs. Should be done by Monday or Tuesday.
    sorry for the inconvenience - Nic

  • Riikka

    Riikka Finland

    Just a suggestion but maybe when you do similar podcast in the future, maybe at least mention all the names of the victims. To honor their memory.

    Just a suggestion but maybe when you do similar podcast in the future, maybe at least mention all the names of the victims. To honor their memory.

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