D.C. Mansion Murders /// 299 /// 300

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  • Katherine

    Katherine SC

    I was lining in DC when this happened. This is by far the BEST, most detailed coverage of this story I have heard to date. Great job.

    I was lining in DC when this happened. This is by far the BEST, most detailed coverage of this story I have heard to date. Great job.

  • Kelsey

    Kelsey Vancouver

    I missed how he knew there would be $40,000 there?

    I missed how he knew there would be $40,000 there?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    He knew they were wealthy. So even if the money would not be there, he knew they could get get the cash. 40K was a very small drop in the bucket for this family. That is why he was charged with extortion as well. He held them hostage, tortured them, threatened hurting or killing little Phillip so he could get cash. Sadly that’s it and that’s all to this case. One very evil man decided 4 very innocent lives was worth torturing and killing for $40,000. We are reminded so often how 1% of the population has all of the money but what we want to point out is that there is 1% that has all of the evil. There are real monsters out there and our job as a society is to find them and make sure they can never do their evil deeds ever again. Cheers Nic

    He knew they were wealthy. So even if the money would not be there, he knew they could get get the cash. 40K was a very small drop in the bucket for this family. That is why he was charged with extortion as well. He held them hostage, tortured them, threatened hurting or killing little Phillip so he could get cash. Sadly that’s it and that’s all to this case. One very evil man decided 4 very innocent lives was worth torturing and killing for $40,000. We are reminded so often how 1% of the population has all of the money but what we want to point out is that there is 1% that has all of the evil. There are real monsters out there and our job as a society is to find them and make sure they can never do their evil deeds ever again.
    Cheers Nic

  • RACHEL

    RACHEL O-H-I-O

    Poignant comment about the 1% Nic. Crime will never be eradicated by humans. But I do believe that the anonymity people can live in today because we no longer have small tight knit communities plays a huge role in people perpetrating crimes. For petty crimes, which these types of offenders typically begin with, instead of a bunk in a county jail while they await arraignment in obscurity as only a numbered inmate, with media not even caring about their crime because its not sensational enough, let them spend a day in the town square in the stocks. It sounds silly but I am not joking. I do not suggest we revert to antiquated methods of justice, but that one never killed anyone. What it did do is let criminals experience shame, which is from a developmental and psychological standpoint, one of the biggest motivators in human behavior. That will make people think twice before escalating their crimes. Again, it wont eradicate evil--that's essentially intellectual property. And it wont eradicate crime entirely. But I believe it would reduce the numbers of crimes we see committed. Or maybe I am just a dreamer :p

    Poignant comment about the 1% Nic.

    Crime will never be eradicated by humans. But I do believe that the anonymity people can live in today because we no longer have small tight knit communities plays a huge role in people perpetrating crimes. For petty crimes, which these types of offenders typically begin with, instead of a bunk in a county jail while they await arraignment in obscurity as only a numbered inmate, with media not even caring about their crime because its not sensational enough, let them spend a day in the town square in the stocks. It sounds silly but I am not joking. I do not suggest we revert to antiquated methods of justice, but that one never killed anyone. What it did do is let criminals experience shame, which is from a developmental and psychological standpoint, one of the biggest motivators in human behavior. That will make people think twice before escalating their crimes. Again, it wont eradicate evil--that's essentially intellectual property. And it wont eradicate crime entirely. But I believe it would reduce the numbers of crimes we see committed. Or maybe I am just a dreamer :p

  • Matt

    Matt Northern Virginia

    Maybe I missed this, so I apologize if I did, but did the prosecution ever offer an explanation of how Daron Wint got to the Savopoulos house? We know someone (presumably Daron) left with the Porsche. If Darron had driven to the scene, then presumably his vehicle would have remained nearby. Yet we hear nothing of this. That means he was either driven to the Savopoulous by someone else (defense claim) or he took public transportation. If public transportation, is there video of him? The metro stations all have cameras; I'm not as certain about buses. I wonder if a lack of video footage showing Daron on the metro or a bus means investigators think he arrived at the Savopoulous house by some other means, i.e., an accomplice.

    Maybe I missed this, so I apologize if I did, but did the prosecution ever offer an explanation of how Daron Wint got to the Savopoulos house? We know someone (presumably Daron) left with the Porsche. If Darron had driven to the scene, then presumably his vehicle would have remained nearby. Yet we hear nothing of this. That means he was either driven to the Savopoulous by someone else (defense claim) or he took public transportation. If public transportation, is there video of him? The metro stations all have cameras; I'm not as certain about buses. I wonder if a lack of video footage showing Daron on the metro or a bus means investigators think he arrived at the Savopoulous house by some other means, i.e., an accomplice.

  • Mellow

    Mellow Seattle

    I think the only question I have after this case (and maybe I missed it) is how he knew where they lived. He worked for them for a year but it’s a big company and he wasn’t well liked, I doubt he was invited over for dinner. I don’t know where almost any of my old employers live.

    I think the only question I have after this case (and maybe I missed it) is how he knew where they lived. He worked for them for a year but it’s a big company and he wasn’t well liked, I doubt he was invited over for dinner. I don’t know where almost any of my old employers live.

  • Nicole F

    Nicole F Erie

    Thanks for the dating advice this weeks - I'll make sure NOT to go to the hotel when my bf shows up with a "large red stain" (or, ya know, not date a scumbag in the first place!) I was wondering if there's any significance to the $40,000 requested? Yes, it is a lot of money but, as you mentioned, he clearly could have demanded MUCH more. I expected to hear that he owed someone $30,000 or something and kept the rest for "fun". Also, any update on the remaining daughters who were away at school? I can't even imagine receiving that horrible phone call, my heart breaks for them.

    Thanks for the dating advice this weeks - I'll make sure NOT to go to the hotel when my bf shows up with a "large red stain" (or, ya know, not date a scumbag in the first place!)

    I was wondering if there's any significance to the $40,000 requested? Yes, it is a lot of money but, as you mentioned, he clearly could have demanded MUCH more. I expected to hear that he owed someone $30,000 or something and kept the rest for "fun".
    Also, any update on the remaining daughters who were away at school? I can't even imagine receiving that horrible phone call, my heart breaks for them.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    @ Matt, Mellow and Nicole It's suspected that he parked his van somewhere near the neighborhood the day of the home invasion - then moved the van the day of the fire - returning again near the neighborhood via bus. Daron was seen walking to the house on the day of the fire by two eyewitnesses. Then later leaving in the Porsche. That is how it was presented but we don't know for sure. - We don't know how he knew where they lived - it's actually not clear that he 100% knew who he was targeting however it would be a very strange coincidence if he just happened to end up in his old employers house. Remember he would leave his father's house every day early and be out "looking for work" it may be as simple has he followed Savvas one day. -I think the only significance to the amount of money is how much he could get. I don't think Daron requested that amount. I think through torturing Savvas and the family that was the amount that he learned he could get by the next morning. Remember Savvas first call for money was for a request of $35k to $50k - I think they were fishing to see how much he could get and the $40k was simply doable. Cheers and thanks for posting here! Nic

    @ Matt, Mellow and Nicole
    It's suspected that he parked his van somewhere near the neighborhood the day of the home invasion - then moved the van the day of the fire - returning again near the neighborhood via bus. Daron was seen walking to the house on the day of the fire by two eyewitnesses. Then later leaving in the Porsche. That is how it was presented but we don't know for sure.
    - We don't know how he knew where they lived - it's actually not clear that he 100% knew who he was targeting however it would be a very strange coincidence if he just happened to end up in his old employers house. Remember he would leave his father's house every day early and be out "looking for work" it may be as simple has he followed Savvas one day.
    -I think the only significance to the amount of money is how much he could get. I don't think Daron requested that amount. I think through torturing Savvas and the family that was the amount that he learned he could get by the next morning. Remember Savvas first call for money was for a request of $35k to $50k - I think they were fishing to see how much he could get and the $40k was simply doable.
    Cheers and thanks for posting here!
    Nic

  • John

    John Wisconsin

    The Realtor who thought this would be a good flip. Oof.

    The Realtor who thought this would be a good flip. Oof.

  • Michelle

    Michelle NY

    Nic, your point about the first call for money and Daron Wint fishing to see how much he could get is excellent. You made another point during the episode about Savvas having approximately $13k in the safe in the house, but it was the same safe where he kept his guns. It breaks my heart to think this family and their housekeeper could have believed, or was led to believe by Wint that he would not hurt or kill if he just got the money. On the topic of how Wint knew where the family lived -- his story reminded me of the murders of the Petit family in Cheshire, CT in 2007. If I remember correctly, the perpetrators in that case saw Jennifer Hawke-Petit and her daughter at a grocery store, followed her home, saw where she lived, then commenced the home invasion and, eventually, murders. Perhaps Wint's version of "looking for work" was doing just that -- stalking people until he found what he believed to be a good mark. Perhaps there was a little bit of coincidence in that it happened to be the family of his former employer. Perhaps we will never know.

    Nic, your point about the first call for money and Daron Wint fishing to see how much he could get is excellent. You made another point during the episode about Savvas having approximately $13k in the safe in the house, but it was the same safe where he kept his guns. It breaks my heart to think this family and their housekeeper could have believed, or was led to believe by Wint that he would not hurt or kill if he just got the money.

    On the topic of how Wint knew where the family lived -- his story reminded me of the murders of the Petit family in Cheshire, CT in 2007. If I remember correctly, the perpetrators in that case saw Jennifer Hawke-Petit and her daughter at a grocery store, followed her home, saw where she lived, then commenced the home invasion and, eventually, murders. Perhaps Wint's version of "looking for work" was doing just that -- stalking people until he found what he believed to be a good mark. Perhaps there was a little bit of coincidence in that it happened to be the family of his former employer. Perhaps we will never know.

  • Kelly

    Kelly Los Angeles, CA

    I think there were other people involved. While I do think Daron Wint was one of them I do not think he acted alone. He does not seem very bright and you would have to have some amount of intelligence to pull off the basics of keeping them all tied up, manipulating them into making the calls, cutting the phone lines, moving the car or cars, knowing to get all the security footage, etc. Also, I cannot believe that security company did not question at least that something was up. Should have had a code word that could have been used to notify them of a problem. Anyways, terrible and creepy situation and so many chances to rescue them that were blown. Very sad and also interesting case.

    I think there were other people involved. While I do think Daron Wint was one of them I do not think he acted alone. He does not seem very bright and you would have to have some amount of intelligence to pull off the basics of keeping them all tied up, manipulating them into making the calls, cutting the phone lines, moving the car or cars, knowing to get all the security footage, etc. Also, I cannot believe that security company did not question at least that something was up. Should have had a code word that could have been used to notify them of a problem. Anyways, terrible and creepy situation and so many chances to rescue them that were blown. Very sad and also interesting case.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    @ Michelle As we say in the garage... you are exactly right! Cheers Nic

    @ Michelle
    As we say in the garage... you are exactly right!
    Cheers Nic

  • mG

    mG tX

    Evil exists and this piece of crap is further testament to that. But what frustrates so much is that this guy continually gave off indications of being a bad dude. And the criminal justice system just slapping that wrist until it escalated to the murder of a family. How many true crime cases do we see where the bad guy had done one thing after another and the justice system didn't care. Put people that commit violent crimes in prison for mandatory minimums and free the non-violent offenders (AKA drug users). Good job this week, Nic.

    Evil exists and this piece of crap is further testament to that. But what frustrates so much is that this guy continually gave off indications of being a bad dude. And the criminal justice system just slapping that wrist until it escalated to the murder of a family. How many true crime cases do we see where the bad guy had done one thing after another and the justice system didn't care. Put people that commit violent crimes in prison for mandatory minimums and free the non-violent offenders (AKA drug users). Good job this week, Nic.

  • Barb

    Barb Canada

    Excellent episode Nic and the Captain. I had never heard of this case so I really appreciated the level of detail and timeline that you provided. Does anyone know....did the autopsy reveal whether or not any of the victims had consumed the pizza?

    Excellent episode Nic and the Captain. I had never heard of this case so I really appreciated the level of detail and timeline that you provided. Does anyone know....did the autopsy reveal whether or not any of the victims had consumed the pizza?

  • johan

    johan Sweden

    do we all actually believe he acted alone? there seems to be so many holes in the story

    do we all actually believe he acted alone? there seems to be so many holes in the story

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    @ mG - I totally agree with you. I'm not afraid of a drug dealer or user but I don't want my family living near a guy with the rap sheet like the one Daron Wint had. I believe he should have been reported and sent home after so many offenses - this is where someone dropped the ball. Remember he was here on a green card. cheers Nic

    @ mG - I totally agree with you. I'm not afraid of a drug dealer or user but I don't want my family living near a guy with the rap sheet like the one Daron Wint had. I believe he should have been reported and sent home after so many offenses - this is where someone dropped the ball. Remember he was here on a green card.
    cheers Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    @ Barb and Johan Regarding the pizza - the answer is no I don't know who consumed pizza. This is a strange part of the story because he was so worried about who was coming to the house but hunger strikes and he goes to the added risk of allowing a victim to talk to one more person and a delivery to the doorstep. I think he acted along inside the house and up to the fire. I think he had some help after the fact but those involved did not know that he murdered 4 people. Sad shit this case! Nic

    @ Barb and Johan
    Regarding the pizza - the answer is no I don't know who consumed pizza. This is a strange part of the story because he was so worried about who was coming to the house but hunger strikes and he goes to the added risk of allowing a victim to talk to one more person and a delivery to the doorstep.
    I think he acted along inside the house and up to the fire. I think he had some help after the fact but those involved did not know that he murdered 4 people.
    Sad shit this case! Nic

  • MeB

    MeB Parts Unknown

    sawL, braL, lawL ,drawLing. Is this Ohio english?

    sawL, braL, lawL ,drawLing. Is this Ohio english?

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    True Crime Garage

    Yes it is. You would love Ohio but we (some, not all) like most parts of this great country talk a little different here. In fact I said torlet instead of toilet for about 20 years. Someone from out of state had to point out to me that I was saying it wrong. Cheers Nic

    Yes it is. You would love Ohio but we (some, not all) like most parts of this great country talk a little different here.
    In fact I said torlet instead of toilet for about 20 years. Someone from out of state had to point out to me that I was saying it wrong.
    Cheers Nic

  • KEL

    KEL Parts Unknown

    A couple of items I noted while listening (yes I take notes...I can't remember crap these days and it helps me when a name pops up in part 2 and I've forgotten who they are!) 1. Why two bats? I never thought he committed these crimes alone and to me it isn't logical that there would be two bats. Why not take the one bat that you had upstairs with you downstairs when Savvas was arriving? 2. Possibly the knife and frisbees used to prop open the basement windows were to help "fuel" the fire with air. I don't know anything about fire but some lamebrain like myself might think allowing some air in would help the fire burn quicker....even with the fire set upstairs. 3. It wasn't mentioned, and I assume he was interviewed and I wonder what the friend "Ed" had to say about Daron being with him all day Thursday, drinking. 4. Daron certainly had no problem throwing his brother Stephon under the bus in the past (using his name at the time of a previous arrest) so it doesn't surprise me at all that he'd point fingers at his brothers in an attempt to show his innocence. The death of Phillip especially bothers me, because he was a child, but Daron's past history seems to show that he had no issues threatening anyone, even the infant of a former girlfriend. 5. There had to be some CCT footage somewhere from that neighborhood. All those mansions. Most have security systems. I think you did a really good job on this one! Thanks!

    A couple of items I noted while listening (yes I take notes...I can't remember crap these days and it helps me when a name pops up in part 2 and I've forgotten who they are!)
    1. Why two bats? I never thought he committed these crimes alone and to me it isn't logical that there would be two bats. Why not take the one bat that you had upstairs with you downstairs when Savvas was arriving?
    2. Possibly the knife and frisbees used to prop open the basement windows were to help "fuel" the fire with air. I don't know anything about fire but some lamebrain like myself might think allowing some air in would help the fire burn quicker....even with the fire set upstairs.
    3. It wasn't mentioned, and I assume he was interviewed and I wonder what the friend "Ed" had to say about Daron being with him all day Thursday, drinking.
    4. Daron certainly had no problem throwing his brother Stephon under the bus in the past (using his name at the time of a previous arrest) so it doesn't surprise me at all that he'd point fingers at his brothers in an attempt to show his innocence. The death of Phillip especially bothers me, because he was a child, but Daron's past history seems to show that he had no issues threatening anyone, even the infant of a former girlfriend.
    5. There had to be some CCT footage somewhere from that neighborhood. All those mansions. Most have security systems.
    I think you did a really good job on this one! Thanks!

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