Dayton Leroy Rogers ////// 38






Dayton Leroy Rogers ////// 38 

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August 31, 1987 a hunter walking in the dark, empty, wet forest of the Molalla in Oregon discovers the nude, mutilated body of a woman. He reports his findings to law enforcement. By sundown of the next day, the remains of four more victims were found. Four days later the body count grew to seven. Each victim was stabbed many times with obvious signs of torture and mutilation. Tonight in the garage Nic and the Captain tell the story of frenzy sex serial killer Dayton Leroy Rogers. 

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25 comments

  • Janey

    Janey

    The question of legalizing prostitution is a difficult one. I do not disagree with the Captain that more resources need to be available for treatment of mental illness, drug addiction, and other social ills. However, there is a strong argument to be made that you don't have to choose between that resource allocation and legalizing prostitution. As others have said more eloquently than I can, in a world in which prostitution is legal and regulated, and prostitutes are given protection and health services and not criminalized and ostracized, then women who wish to for whatever reasons can earn money legally and safely. As Nic says, the rights and lives of prostitutes are currently ignored by most law enforcement agencies. (Have you read The Lonely Section of Hell, by Lori Shenher?) The original underlying reason for criminalization of prostitution is something hinted at by the Captain but not clearly articulated: that as a matter of human rights, some things should not be "commodified" - i.e., there are some things that you shouldn't be able to put a price to. Under this theory, you should not be able to buy children but people do it with private adoptions. You shouldn't be able to buy organs for transplant, but that's done, too. It seems as though most non-commodification laws are being ignored. Maybe, with respect to prostitution, the question is the choice between allowing adult women to own and control their own bodies, vs protecting women from making poor choices for bad reasons, i.e., protecting adults from themselves. In any event, you two always discuss these matters in ways that I find interesting and thought-provoking, and if I could, I'd give you stars up the wazoo ;-)

    The question of legalizing prostitution is a difficult one. I do not disagree with the Captain that more resources need to be available for treatment of mental illness, drug addiction, and other social ills. However, there is a strong argument to be made that you don't have to choose between that resource allocation and legalizing prostitution. As others have said more eloquently than I can, in a world in which prostitution is legal and regulated, and prostitutes are given protection and health services and not criminalized and ostracized, then women who wish to for whatever reasons can earn money legally and safely. As Nic says, the rights and lives of prostitutes are currently ignored by most law enforcement agencies. (Have you read The Lonely Section of Hell, by Lori Shenher?)

    The original underlying reason for criminalization of prostitution is something hinted at by the Captain but not clearly articulated: that as a matter of human rights, some things should not be "commodified" - i.e., there are some things that you shouldn't be able to put a price to. Under this theory, you should not be able to buy children but people do it with private adoptions. You shouldn't be able to buy organs for transplant, but that's done, too. It seems as though most non-commodification laws are being ignored. Maybe, with respect to prostitution, the question is the choice between allowing adult women to own and control their own bodies, vs protecting women from making poor choices for bad reasons, i.e., protecting adults from themselves.

    In any event, you two always discuss these matters in ways that I find interesting and thought-provoking, and if I could, I'd give you stars up the wazoo ;-)

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Great conversation! Thanks Janey and we love your insights.

    Great conversation! Thanks Janey and we love your insights.

  • JT

    JT

    5*s to Janey! Very, very well said. Dare I also extend that to the abortion debate? Digress. Nic- I get (and agree) with decriminalization vs. legalization. We tend to live too much in the "black and white" - life actually happens within the grey area. If, overlooking the letter of the law, affords us saving lives (that being, prostitution as the letter of the law) then I am all for the grey area for the greater good. We need, as a society, to reside in the 'grey' perspective and include intelligent perspective, somehow, in our judgement. Mental health of our citizens should be our priority to nip many other issues in the bud. ANYONE that commits murder has a mental defect - that should no longer be a means for a legal "pass" for innocence.

    5*s to Janey! Very, very well said. Dare I also extend that to the abortion debate? Digress. Nic- I get (and agree) with decriminalization vs. legalization. We tend to live too much in the "black and white" - life actually happens within the grey area. If, overlooking the letter of the law, affords us saving lives (that being, prostitution as the letter of the law) then I am all for the grey area for the greater good. We need, as a society, to reside in the 'grey' perspective and include intelligent perspective, somehow, in our judgement. Mental health of our citizens should be our priority to nip many other issues in the bud. ANYONE that commits murder has a mental defect - that should no longer be a means for a legal "pass" for innocence.

  • Gina

    Gina Madison, WI

    I agree with Janey. I also want to add that there are some people (both women and men) that work in the escort industry that are not drug addicts or mentally ill in any way. They have found a way to make a living and some of them enjoy the work that they do. I completely agree with Janey's point "the question is the choice between allowing adult women to own and control their own bodies, vs protecting women from making poor choices for bad reasons, i.e., protecting adults from themselves." If someone, being of stable and solid mind, chooses to enter the adult industry because that is what they want to do and seem to enjoy that profession, who are we to judge? There are many pros and cons to legalizing prostitution, however, I would have to agree that it WOULD make trying to commit a degrading and forced act a lot harder to do since the escort could go to the police and report it as an assault. The point I'm trying to make is that assuming any and all prostitutes are drug addicts is not fair to say. A good friend of mine was an escort for 6 years; she ended up paying off all of her debt and entered a career she loved better than escorting. That doesn't mean she did not enjoy herself while escorting. She liked what she did, she was safe, she never touched drugs and drank very rarely. She did it because she liked the money and she enjoyed herself. She maintains to this day that it was good decision for her and that it helped her start her own restaurant business. I know she may be the "exception to the rule" but you cannot negate those who do the job because they want to. Anyhoo, I love the show! It's amazing! 10 STARS!

    I agree with Janey. I also want to add that there are some people (both women and men) that work in the escort industry that are not drug addicts or mentally ill in any way. They have found a way to make a living and some of them enjoy the work that they do. I completely agree with Janey's point "the question is the choice between allowing adult women to own and control their own bodies, vs protecting women from making poor choices for bad reasons, i.e., protecting adults from themselves." If someone, being of stable and solid mind, chooses to enter the adult industry because that is what they want to do and seem to enjoy that profession, who are we to judge? There are many pros and cons to legalizing prostitution, however, I would have to agree that it WOULD make trying to commit a degrading and forced act a lot harder to do since the escort could go to the police and report it as an assault. The point I'm trying to make is that assuming any and all prostitutes are drug addicts is not fair to say. A good friend of mine was an escort for 6 years; she ended up paying off all of her debt and entered a career she loved better than escorting. That doesn't mean she did not enjoy herself while escorting. She liked what she did, she was safe, she never touched drugs and drank very rarely. She did it because she liked the money and she enjoyed herself. She maintains to this day that it was good decision for her and that it helped her start her own restaurant business. I know she may be the "exception to the rule" but you cannot negate those who do the job because they want to.

    Anyhoo, I love the show! It's amazing! 10 STARS!

  • Rich

    Rich Portland, OR

    The facts you guys got wrong in this episode were abundant... you should do more research before covering cases instead of reading a few true crime websites and Wikipedia....

    The facts you guys got wrong in this episode were abundant... you should do more research before covering cases instead of reading a few true crime websites and Wikipedia....

  • Coco Cobberson

    Coco Cobberson The Captain's Mom's house

    Nic I appreciate your articulate and to the point conversation skills, my only question to you is why do you put up with the captain. He brings nothing interesting to the conversation and constantly interrupts your stories with either repeating what you said or a dumb joke. What's the deal are you helping an old burn out from school with a job? Just thought I would axe.

    Nic I appreciate your articulate and to the point conversation skills, my only question to you is why do you put up with the captain. He brings nothing interesting to the conversation and constantly interrupts your stories with either repeating what you said or a dumb joke. What's the deal are you helping an old burn out from school with a job? Just thought I would axe.

  • JT

    JT

    "Axe me NO questions".

    "Axe me NO questions".

  • Crazy Cat Lady

    Crazy Cat Lady Finland

    Here is one international listener! Great show, I just found it and have listened quite a few episodes already. The show needs this balance of you both being there, without one it wouldn't be the same. “The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.” Thanks guys.

    Here is one international listener!
    Great show, I just found it and have listened quite a few episodes already.
    The show needs this balance of you both being there, without one it wouldn't be the same.
    “The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.”
    Thanks guys.

  • Kimmy

    Kimmy Cincinnati, Ohio

    I'm a true crime fanatic and just stumbled onto the True Crime Garage. With great exploration into each case in combination with the hard-core atmosphere of the garage makes listening addictive. Uncensored views of each case and knowledge of beer is a bonus! Such a great podcast! Only one issue! The Captain. He brings nothing interesting to the conversation, constantly babbles and interrupts with foolish chatter. Not sure why he is even part of the podcast. Nic keep up the good work! When it comes to the art of conservation your articulate and comfortable making the connecting with listeners FLAWLESS. Thanks

    I'm a true crime fanatic and just stumbled onto the True Crime Garage. With great exploration into each case in combination with the hard-core atmosphere of the garage makes listening addictive. Uncensored views of each case and knowledge of beer is a bonus! Such a great podcast! Only one issue! The Captain. He brings nothing interesting to the conversation, constantly babbles and interrupts with foolish chatter. Not sure why he is even part of the podcast. Nic keep up the good work! When it comes to the art of conservation your articulate and comfortable making the connecting with listeners FLAWLESS. Thanks

  • THE mailman

    THE mailman Portland OR

    To start I like both Nic and the captains jib. Reminds me of listening to Loveline back in the day with Adam Corolla and Dr Drew. Anyway I grew up in portland And liked this episode since I had never heard of this guy. Portland at those times, especially 82nd ave which I think you refer to as strip 82, has always been known as a prostitute/drug hotspot. That area is deep into what we refer to in SE portland as fellony flats. So not the nicest part of town. I could totally picture the places you guys refered to which was a little creepy. Last thing, you guys mentions that the Molalla forest was pretty close by. By freeway which runs close to 82nd it wouldn't take too long but mileage wise definitely not very close. You guys rock keep up the good work

    To start I like both Nic and the captains jib. Reminds me of listening to Loveline back in the day with Adam Corolla and Dr Drew. Anyway I grew up in portland And liked this episode since I had never heard of this guy. Portland at those times, especially 82nd ave which I think you refer to as strip 82, has always been known as a prostitute/drug hotspot. That area is deep into what we refer to in SE portland as fellony flats. So not the nicest part of town. I could totally picture the places you guys refered to which was a little creepy. Last thing, you guys mentions that the Molalla forest was pretty close by. By freeway which runs close to 82nd it wouldn't take too long but mileage wise definitely not very close. You guys rock keep up the good work

  • Candy

    Candy Sydney

    LOVE the Captain. . As Crazy Cat lady said, "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts" Love the podcast, completely obsessed.

    LOVE the Captain. . As Crazy Cat lady said, "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts"
    Love the podcast, completely obsessed.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Mailman that is one really awesome kind words. Huge fan of Adam and Dr. Drew. Thanks for the support.

    Mailman
    that is one really awesome kind words. Huge fan of Adam and Dr. Drew. Thanks for the support.

  • Candy

    Candy UT

    Please tell me Coco is kidding? The Captain is underrated

    Please tell me Coco is kidding? The Captain is underrated

  • A Signer

    A Signer OR

    Hey there, first time listener. Thanks for talking about the various issues relating to sex work, danger, mental health care, and decriminalization. I appreciate the broader discussion! I did have to say that I wish that economic issues had been brought up as a reason for the number of women involved in sex work. Even if someone is a sex worker as a way to feed an addiction, that's still an economic issue. Access to mental health care is severely limited for low-income people. Access to addiction and recovery service is almost nonexistent in many parts of this country if you don't have insurance (and many insurance plans have huge copays for addiction services). As someone who worked as a salesperson in adult stores for several years, most of my customers who stripped or escorted got into the business due to financial strain, due to lack of educational opportunity (or, relatedly, high student loan debt with no jobs hiring for their degree), medical bills they can't pay, needing to flee an abuser and forfeiting all their funds and belongings, or other strings of bad financial luck. If our country focused on improving our social safety net and lessening poverty/income inequality, I believe that many, many people would leave the sex industry or never enter it in the first place. Thanks again for the show, and I can't wait to listen to all the episodes I missed!

    Hey there, first time listener. Thanks for talking about the various issues relating to sex work, danger, mental health care, and decriminalization. I appreciate the broader discussion! I did have to say that I wish that economic issues had been brought up as a reason for the number of women involved in sex work. Even if someone is a sex worker as a way to feed an addiction, that's still an economic issue. Access to mental health care is severely limited for low-income people. Access to addiction and recovery service is almost nonexistent in many parts of this country if you don't have insurance (and many insurance plans have huge copays for addiction services). As someone who worked as a salesperson in adult stores for several years, most of my customers who stripped or escorted got into the business due to financial strain, due to lack of educational opportunity (or, relatedly, high student loan debt with no jobs hiring for their degree), medical bills they can't pay, needing to flee an abuser and forfeiting all their funds and belongings, or other strings of bad financial luck. If our country focused on improving our social safety net and lessening poverty/income inequality, I believe that many, many people would leave the sex industry or never enter it in the first place.

    Thanks again for the show, and I can't wait to listen to all the episodes I missed!

  • Rachel

    Rachel Mi

    How exactly is porn legal. But prositution is not? Both are sex for money. It is not the government business if people want to have sex for money regardless of the reason behind it. Legalizing drugs and sex in other countries such as Amsterdam and prositution in Las Vegas is proof that delegalizing these things makes them safer. This is a moral law which is completely against separation of church and state.

    How exactly is porn legal. But prositution is not? Both are sex for money. It is not the government business if people want to have sex for money regardless of the reason behind it. Legalizing drugs and sex in other countries such as Amsterdam and prositution in Las Vegas is proof that delegalizing these things makes them safer. This is a moral law which is completely against separation of church and state.

  • Agent66

    Agent66

    Finally got around to listening this (I know, I'm behind. I keep jumping around!). And as always, I have thoughts on stuff! On prostitution: Rachel above me there brings up a good point, even though I disagree with it. I think both porn AND prostitution should be illegal and I'll tell you why. Let's be honest - porn and prostitution is aimed at one group: men. This isn't to say that women don't watch porn, cause we do, but I'm also not seeing an abundance of male prostitutes for women (unless you count gigolos or "escorts" and those are usually for rich older women). I'm also not married or in a relationship, so if I were to use either, I'm not wrecking my home life. If this means I'm taking the moral ground on this, so be it. I think it should be incredibly harsher for those who would willingly risk their family and home lives to jerk off. I'm not being a prude and it's one thing if there's an 'understanding' or whatever BS, but again honestly, you aren't doing this because either party is looking for love. On the death penalty: I agree with both Nick and the Captain. For Nick, yes, if you've got the death penalty in your state, you should be using it and I'm always flabbergasted when you see prisoners like this guy sitting around willy nilly when they should've been hung decades (don't even get me started on this 'humane' bs) and for the Captain, I'm also strong on having and using the death penalty (a little sad you've changed your mind on this) Here's why - this guy is a perfect sick example. This guy was being held and raped someone while being investigated. I just listened to the Gen Why podcast on the Stayners and hearing that Ken Parnell had been in prison for rape/molestation and then was released to do it again makes no sense to me. What I really don't understand is why do we treat these criminals better than their victims? Guy rapes a baby, he gets access to a literal gym, education services, room and board, etc and the rest of us have to actually work for it? Personally, I don't have an optimistic view of our justice system - we're constantly letting people who SHOULD be in prison out, while putting people who SHOULDN'T be in prison in; we let evil people sit in jail for the rest of their lives, despite being on death row; we complain about inhumane treatment, but you know what? These people didn't treat their victims humanely. These are people who abused others, tortured, and most cases murdered them. Like the ABC murders - tossed out of the car like a piece of trash. Victims are people, criminals aren't. I would treat my neighbor's cousin's college roommate's dog better than I would treat someone who would rape a baby. And that's all I'll say on that.

    Finally got around to listening this (I know, I'm behind. I keep jumping around!).

    And as always, I have thoughts on stuff!

    On prostitution: Rachel above me there brings up a good point, even though I disagree with it. I think both porn AND prostitution should be illegal and I'll tell you why. Let's be honest - porn and prostitution is aimed at one group: men. This isn't to say that women don't watch porn, cause we do, but I'm also not seeing an abundance of male prostitutes for women (unless you count gigolos or "escorts" and those are usually for rich older women).

    I'm also not married or in a relationship, so if I were to use either, I'm not wrecking my home life. If this means I'm taking the moral ground on this, so be it. I think it should be incredibly harsher for those who would willingly risk their family and home lives to jerk off. I'm not being a prude and it's one thing if there's an 'understanding' or whatever BS, but again honestly, you aren't doing this because either party is looking for love.

    On the death penalty: I agree with both Nick and the Captain. For Nick, yes, if you've got the death penalty in your state, you should be using it and I'm always flabbergasted when you see prisoners like this guy sitting around willy nilly when they should've been hung decades (don't even get me started on this 'humane' bs) and for the Captain, I'm also strong on having and using the death penalty (a little sad you've changed your mind on this)

    Here's why - this guy is a perfect sick example. This guy was being held and raped someone while being investigated. I just listened to the Gen Why podcast on the Stayners and hearing that Ken Parnell had been in prison for rape/molestation and then was released to do it again makes no sense to me. What I really don't understand is why do we treat these criminals better than their victims? Guy rapes a baby, he gets access to a literal gym, education services, room and board, etc and the rest of us have to actually work for it?

    Personally, I don't have an optimistic view of our justice system - we're constantly letting people who SHOULD be in prison out, while putting people who SHOULDN'T be in prison in; we let evil people sit in jail for the rest of their lives, despite being on death row; we complain about inhumane treatment, but you know what? These people didn't treat their victims humanely. These are people who abused others, tortured, and most cases murdered them. Like the ABC murders - tossed out of the car like a piece of trash.

    Victims are people, criminals aren't. I would treat my neighbor's cousin's college roommate's dog better than I would treat someone who would rape a baby. And that's all I'll say on that.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Agent66 Thanks for sharing!!! Great thoughts as always.

    Agent66

    Thanks for sharing!!! Great thoughts as always.

  • Spring

    Spring Wyoming

    The Captain nailed it on the head on prostitution. Most people who are involved with prostitution &/or drug abuse/dependence have trauma in their backgrounds. It would be awesome to get mental health treatment for them. And for the people who regularly use them!

    The Captain nailed it on the head on prostitution. Most people who are involved with prostitution &/or drug abuse/dependence have trauma in their backgrounds. It would be awesome to get mental health treatment for them. And for the people who regularly use them!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Spring • Wyoming Thank most people gave me sooooo much shit for that. Much love

    Spring • Wyoming

    Thank most people gave me sooooo much shit for that. Much love

  • Laura

    Laura Texas

    In the interest of protecting all people I think legalizing prostitution is totally a go. If you disagree with the moralization of women/men selling their bodies I understand. Because something is legal doesn't mean it is "right". New Zealand as legalized this business...it is the oldest business in the world in order to regulate it, keep women safe and take the money out of sex trafficking. If it is legal the price goes down, women/men that CHOOSE to be in this profession will be in it, it can be regulated, and sex workers could EASILY REPORT ABUSE!

    In the interest of protecting all people I think legalizing prostitution is totally a go. If you disagree with the moralization of women/men selling their bodies I understand. Because something is legal doesn't mean it is "right". New Zealand as legalized this business...it is the oldest business in the world in order to regulate it, keep women safe and take the money out of sex trafficking. If it is legal the price goes down, women/men that CHOOSE to be in this profession will be in it, it can be regulated, and sex workers could EASILY REPORT ABUSE!

  • AB

    AB London, UK

    As much as I love the show I was disappointed to hear criticism of "jhorts" i.e. denim shorts. I listened to the show wearing these shorts and am still wearing them as I type this message. I think that Nic and the Captain should apologise for their outrageous views.

    As much as I love the show I was disappointed to hear criticism of "jhorts" i.e. denim shorts. I listened to the show wearing these shorts and am still wearing them as I type this message. I think that Nic and the Captain should apologise for their outrageous views.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Jhorts are making a comeback! Cheers, Nic

    Jhorts are making a comeback!
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Christi

    Christi Michigan

    I really don't believe that legalizing prostitution would help; #1 the prices would be more than these average Johns are going to pay #2 what Brothel or other institution is going to pay a junkie (lets face it, most of these prostitutes have a drug problem) and #3 there will still always be a woman out there willing to take much less to get her fix, so legalization is not going to help...This is only my opinion though.

    I really don't believe that legalizing prostitution would help; #1 the prices would be more than these average Johns are going to pay #2 what Brothel or other institution is going to pay a junkie (lets face it, most of these prostitutes have a drug problem) and #3 there will still always be a woman out there willing to take much less to get her fix, so legalization is not going to help...This is only my opinion though.

  • Aisling

    Aisling Canada

    I usually enjoy this show but the anti sex worker rhetoric in this episode was too hard to listen to. Number one hearing 'prostitute' over and over was quite upsetting as that is a very insulting term. Number two the implication that the only reasons people would participate in sex work are drug addiction and mental illness, and that sex work is less valid than any other type of work because it involves "selling your body". Sex workers are not selling their bodies, they are selling a service. If any job that involves using your body for someone else's benefit counts as "selling your body" then I have sold mine in working in a warehouse and any other job I had that involved physical labour. Decriminalizing sex work would allow sex workers to be safer, and could also help fight the stigma against those in the profession. Like I said I normally quite enjoy this podcast but I'm very disappointed.

    I usually enjoy this show but the anti sex worker rhetoric in this episode was too hard to listen to. Number one hearing 'prostitute' over and over was quite upsetting as that is a very insulting term. Number two the implication that the only reasons people would participate in sex work are drug addiction and mental illness, and that sex work is less valid than any other type of work because it involves "selling your body". Sex workers are not selling their bodies, they are selling a service. If any job that involves using your body for someone else's benefit counts as "selling your body" then I have sold mine in working in a warehouse and any other job I had that involved physical labour. Decriminalizing sex work would allow sex workers to be safer, and could also help fight the stigma against those in the profession. Like I said I normally quite enjoy this podcast but I'm very disappointed.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    We said decriminalizing sex work - is the best way to protect everyone. I agree with that statement. I don't remember this episode as it was a long time ago but.... I don't believe I would say all sex workers are drug addicts or mentally ill. This does make up a portion of the persons involved in sex work, high enough to discuss that when having a discussion of person involved in sex work who ended up victims of this serial killer. In my defense - if picked up by police sex workers are charged with solicitation or prostitution not sex working. Nic

    We said decriminalizing sex work - is the best way to protect everyone. I agree with that statement. I don't remember this episode as it was a long time ago but.... I don't believe I would say all sex workers are drug addicts or mentally ill. This does make up a portion of the persons involved in sex work, high enough to discuss that when having a discussion of person involved in sex work who ended up victims of this serial killer. In my defense - if picked up by police sex workers are charged with solicitation or prostitution not sex working.
    Nic

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