Debra Sundstrom ////// 315

34 comments

  • Valerie

    Valerie Oregon

    Could u review the crimes, cruel sacrifices, murdered innocents and pure murder.

    Could u review the crimes, cruel sacrifices, murdered innocents and pure murder.

  • Chris

    Chris Swayzee IN

    To have a story about "The Founding President of the New York Giant Pumpkin Growers Association" without the Captain seems so wrong. lol

    To have a story about "The Founding President of the New York Giant Pumpkin Growers Association" without the Captain seems so wrong. lol

  • mG

    mG tX

    Interested in checking this one out. Will admit, stopped listening to Generation Why several months ago, Justin's ego and the low work-rate bothered me. However, Aaron is sharp. Interested in hearing you and him break this wild one down.

    Interested in checking this one out. Will admit, stopped listening to Generation Why several months ago, Justin's ego and the low work-rate bothered me. However, Aaron is sharp. Interested in hearing you and him break this wild one down.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thanks Valerie. Those are book titles for anyone that is following this. Funny thing you suggested this as I was reading a couple of chapters of Murdered Innocents on Sunday. I’m looking forward to getting back to it. Cheers Nic

    Thanks Valerie.
    Those are book titles for anyone that is following this.
    Funny thing you suggested this as I was reading a couple of chapters of Murdered Innocents on Sunday. I’m looking forward to getting back to it.
    Cheers Nic

  • Lisa Keenan

    Lisa Keenan Columbus,Ohio

    Love your podcast! Will have to check out Generation Why. On the matter of this case, perhaps she killed Randy and then realizing she may have told Dominique too much she felt she had to do him in as well. As far as abuse, it may be she killed Randy because of it or they just fought violently. Seems Debra may have had an impulse disorder anyway.(hence the stealing of the purse). Thanks again for taking the time to delve into these cases every week!

    Love your podcast! Will have to check out Generation Why. On the matter of this case, perhaps she killed Randy and then realizing she may have told Dominique too much she felt she had to do him in as well. As far as abuse, it may be she killed Randy because of it or they just fought violently. Seems Debra may have had an impulse disorder anyway.(hence the stealing of the purse). Thanks again for taking the time to delve into these cases every week!

  • Luke

    Luke

    I really enjoy the crossover episodes you do with Gen Why. Thanks for the hard work guys. cheers mate!

    I really enjoy the crossover episodes you do with Gen Why. Thanks for the hard work guys.
    cheers mate!

  • Lori

    Lori TX

    CAPTAIN? WHERE DID YOU GO? Very good episode, but I always look forward to hearing a little humor thrown in every now and then! I guess he deserves a day off every once in a while though. Thanks for doing what you guys do. Lori

    CAPTAIN? WHERE DID YOU GO? Very good episode, but I always look forward to hearing a little humor thrown in every now and then! I guess he deserves a day off every once in a while though. Thanks for doing what you guys do.

    Lori

  • Heather W.

    Heather W. East Hampton NY

    Was listening to this as I drifted off to sleep. I quickly snapped to attention when you mentioned Walton. My cousins live in Walton and I vaguely remember them mentioning this story, however they didn’t provide any additional info. I’ve shopped at the Big M!! Crazy! Thanks for covering it!

    Was listening to this as I drifted off to sleep. I quickly snapped to attention when you mentioned Walton. My cousins live in Walton and I vaguely remember them mentioning this story, however they didn’t provide any additional info. I’ve shopped at the Big M!! Crazy! Thanks for covering it!

  • Cathy

    Cathy Hudson, MA

    Not a fan of Gen Why podcaster, and Nic the audio on this one was not good. You sounded like you were in a cave. Will be good to have the Captain back next week. The case itself did not catch my interest either.

    Not a fan of Gen Why podcaster, and Nic the audio on this one was not good. You sounded like you were in a cave. Will be good to have the Captain back next week. The case itself did not catch my interest either.

  • Greg

    Greg Fl

    I hope by the sound of his podcast the captain is replaced he makes the most unintelligible remarks and messes up the main guy's story while he is on a roll. The only comments Captain makes is either the phrase piece of s*** or some other ejaculation joke

    I hope by the sound of his podcast the captain is replaced he makes the most unintelligible remarks and messes up the main guy's story while he is on a roll. The only comments Captain makes is either the phrase piece of s*** or some other ejaculation joke

  • JENN

    JENN BATON ROUGE,LA

    About the Debra Sundstrom story, I have a theory. 1. She may have stolen the wallet so that she could later try to use that person's identity if/when she was able to escape her domestic violence situation. OR at least the money/ credit cards in the wallet. she'd need a hotel room if she managed to escape. 2. she somehow murdered Randy.. (poison?) because it was the only way for her to escape domestic violence. 3 Since there was doubt about her being able to putting Randy into a barrel, she had Dominic help her, making him an accomplice. Then afterwards he could have threatened to snitch so she killed him as well and pushed his body down the stairs to deal with him later. 3.When the cops showed up she knew they'd be searching the property and she panicked because Randy's body was there and now so was Dominic's causing her to panic and kill herself and the dog and torch the place. As a survivor of domestic violence.. I know it's difficult to get information to anyone because every move is being monitored. And everyone thought they were OK because she HAS to act that way in order to keeping Randy from hurting her. anywho, that's my take on it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    About the Debra Sundstrom story, I have a theory.
    1. She may have stolen the wallet so that she could later try to use that person's identity if/when she was able to escape her domestic violence situation. OR at least the money/ credit cards in the wallet. she'd need a hotel room if she managed to escape.
    2. she somehow murdered Randy.. (poison?) because it was the only way for her to escape domestic violence.
    3 Since there was doubt about her being able to putting Randy into a barrel, she had Dominic help her, making him an accomplice. Then afterwards he could have threatened to snitch so she killed him as well and pushed his body down the stairs to deal with him later.
    3.When the cops showed up she knew they'd be searching the property and she panicked because Randy's body was there and now so was Dominic's causing her to panic and kill herself and the dog and torch the place.

    As a survivor of domestic violence.. I know it's difficult to get information to anyone because every move is being monitored.
    And everyone thought they were OK because she HAS to act that way in order to keeping Randy from hurting her.

    anywho, that's my take on it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • Kristen

    Kristen Virginia

    Could it be possible that she was involved with Dominique before Randy's death? Maybe he helped her conceal that death, so she later had to kill him too.

    Could it be possible that she was involved with Dominique before Randy's death? Maybe he helped her conceal that death, so she later had to kill him too.

  • Happy Birthday Garage

    Happy Birthday Garage (Throwback to Nic's Joke)

    The Captain adds so much - passion, pacing, and of course, sound quality. Missed him. Nic is still the Batman of the duo, but with this episode, I switched the playback to 1.25 speed to compensate. Thanks guys!

    The Captain adds so much - passion, pacing, and of course, sound quality. Missed him. Nic is still the Batman of the duo, but with this episode, I switched the playback to 1.25 speed to compensate. Thanks guys!

  • Cat

    Cat Seattle, Wa

    The Debra Sundstrom podcast - I know absolutely NOTHING about cranes, but how accessible are those to Debra. Could she have used one that they are always using to pick up those big a** pumpkins to put Randy's body in a barrel? If so, she would not have needed any help... Also, yes I missed Captain - how could I not? However, I thought Aaron did a great job and loved the mash up of you two together! Two very enthusiastic thumbs up!

    The Debra Sundstrom podcast - I know absolutely NOTHING about cranes, but how accessible are those to Debra. Could she have used one that they are always using to pick up those big a** pumpkins to put Randy's body in a barrel? If so, she would not have needed any help...
    Also, yes I missed Captain - how could I not? However, I thought Aaron did a great job and loved the mash up of you two together! Two very enthusiastic thumbs up!

  • Steven Stacy

    Steven Stacy

    I had fast-forwarded through the intro to the latest episode, and was excited to NOT hear the Captain on that episode. I thought perhaps Nic had finally realized that the Captain's inanities add little and subtract greatly from the flow and content of the podcast. Alas, I guess it's just a temporary absence. It's too bad that a listener has to grit teeth to suffer through his juvenile, rambling "contributions".

    I had fast-forwarded through the intro to the latest episode, and was excited to NOT hear the Captain on that episode. I thought perhaps Nic had finally realized that the Captain's inanities add little and subtract greatly from the flow and content of the podcast.
    Alas, I guess it's just a temporary absence.
    It's too bad that a listener has to grit teeth to suffer through his juvenile, rambling "contributions".

  • Cheryl

    Cheryl Las Vegas

    She knew if she went to jail for the theft, they would snoop around her farm and find the barrel. The farm may have been sold depending on how long she had to spend in jail. She would be caught for the murder of Randy and did not want to spend the rest of her life in jail for that.

    She knew if she went to jail for the theft, they would snoop around her farm and find the barrel. The farm may have been sold depending on how long she had to spend in jail. She would be caught for the murder of Randy and did not want to spend the rest of her life in jail for that.

  • Rick

    Rick Fayetteville, Ar.

    Somewhat new to this podcast but i always feel that the captain is an archetype of our own thinking saying what we think keeping it as light as possible. Nic if this is truly your show replacing the captain would be a huge mistake. What in the short run wins loses in the tried and true. Some folks will never get it. I hope you continue to. Forgive my poor grammar.

    Somewhat new to this podcast but i always feel that the captain is an archetype of our own thinking saying what we think keeping it as light as possible. Nic if this is truly your show replacing the captain would be a huge mistake. What in the short run wins loses in the tried and true. Some folks will never get it. I hope you continue to. Forgive my poor grammar.

  • Rick

    Rick Fayetteville, Ar.

    Nic every true crime podcast out there sounds the same. Great music great ideas great crime finds but what i havent heard is one quite like yours feels raw. Backed up by mindblowing revelations you guys kept me going through the first episode i heard untill i am still here. The insight from you both surprised me and mimicked my ideas from the get go. Keep it together. I dont know how you do it. These dark truths are only absorbed and released through a prism of humor and then love. I know how this sounds but regardless keep up the good work.

    Nic every true crime podcast out there sounds the same. Great music great ideas great crime finds but what i havent heard is one quite like yours feels raw. Backed up by mindblowing revelations you guys kept me going through the first episode i heard untill i am still here. The insight from you both surprised me and mimicked my ideas from the get go. Keep it together. I dont know how you do it. These dark truths are only absorbed and released through a prism of humor and then love. I know how this sounds but regardless keep up the good work.

  • Beltre

    Beltre Santa Fe, NM

    This was an odd TCG, in that you had two intelligent adults actually sticking to the points of the case, not used to that. Was thinking that you could have had a 7th grader come in and make off-topic comments during the show, for the Captain fans.

    This was an odd TCG, in that you had two intelligent adults actually sticking to the points of the case, not used to that. Was thinking that you could have had a 7th grader come in and make off-topic comments during the show, for the Captain fans.

  • Jessie

    Jessie KS

    Great - well done

    Great - well done

  • S L

    S L San Diego

    Really interesting episode so far (about halfway through), and definitely enjoying the contemplative pacing/tempo. Not sure why all the hate on the Captain; both he and Nic bring their own flavor to the show and balance each other well. I missed the Captain in this episode but liked this glimpse into Aaron’s style, as I’ve been meaning to check out Generation Why for awhile. Thanks for what you do.

    Really interesting episode so far (about halfway through), and definitely enjoying the contemplative pacing/tempo.

    Not sure why all the hate on the Captain; both he and Nic bring their own flavor to the show and balance each other well. I missed the Captain in this episode but liked this glimpse into Aaron’s style, as I’ve been meaning to check out Generation Why for awhile.

    Thanks for what you do.

  • RACHEL

    RACHEL O-H-I-O

    Ok, so here are my thoughts. First of all, on the fire in the house-I don’t think she had to set it in advance at all. From the pictures, the house was old and probably burned quickly. I would assume that she probably had a plan to set the house on fire if the cops showed up, so she most likely had everything out and ready and maybe even had picked a location (like a pantry or closet) that she would set the fire to in the event that the cops did show up. Secondly, I have really hard time with stories like this where people bring up domestic violence. The problem is that a lot of women (and men) claim to be survivors of domestic violence when in reality, they are in a dysfunctional relationship to which they contributed to the toxic and violent environment themselves. This is different from domestic abuse where there is a perpetrator and a victim and the victim would never ever dream of lashing out against the perpetrator, because they are in constant fear for their lives, and their survival depends on being placid. So it irks me when people cry DV when there is none because it makes it EXTREMELY difficult for real victims of domestic violence to be able to get help from law enforcement or in civil courts. When I left my abusive marriage, I was pregnant and had a two year old and a 1 year old. And we snuck out at night with only a diaper bag. He happened to leave me home with car keys, which he never did, and he did not come back by 10:30 like he said he would. By midnight I felt like maybe this was my window so I seized it, though the whole time I was leaving--from opening the front door to walking down the driveway-- I felt like I was going to get caught by him and that would be the end of it. There was no planning involved, and even though I only had $4.29 to my name and no where to go, I never in my life would have imagined stealing someone’s wallet to help my escape. I can verify that only a handful of people knew about the abuse and even then, they only knew what I told them, which was the hallmark channel version if you will. So I don’t think the fact that abuse was not widely known is significant, but I am sorry----I just don’t think there was abuse. As far as her running to a next door neighbor for help, I would have to hear more about that to get a better picture of what was going on, but I can tell you that after my ex husband lifted me and threw me into a wall leaving a gigantic hole in the dry wall, the size of my torso and way up over my head (I was a tiny woman at the time) he called the cops and said that I was abusing him and preventing him from leaving the house. He was so convincing they told me they showed up at the house to arrest me. Then they saw the bruises on me and the broken glass and the hole in the wall and they realized at that point who was really being abused there. My point is, there is so much about her behavior and character that sends up red flags about the abuse, including hiding Randy’s body then continuing to live at the scene of the crime, followed by larceny and another dead body being found after her suicide. To me, Debra was calculating and manipulative and self-serving, which is why she chose death over facing her consequences. I will end on this note: like most tales of abuse, mine started a couple generations earlier with my grandparents. There was a trickle-down effect to my mother who was raised in abuse, and when raised like that, you typically either become another victim or you become an abuser. My mother became an abuser and my sisters and I were her victims. So when I ran away from home as soon as I turned 18, I ran into the arms of an abuser, and I accepted the treatment for awhile because I didn’t think I was worth much more, and honestly the roller coaster ride and cycle of abuse was all I had ever known. But then I started having kids and I realized I wanted a better life for them. The upside to that part of the story is that in becoming a victim, I did not become an abuser and so my babies have not suffered from a life that just as easily could have fallen the other way had my DNA been slightly different than what it is. But anyways, after 8 years of marriage to an abuser, I finally left, got full custody of my kids and a standing restraining order against my ex husband. But going back to my grandparents---My grandmother shot and killed my grandpa as he lay sleeping on the couch after he had just finished abusing her in his s&m dungeon he had. Then my grandma called the police on herself and told them what she had done. When they arrived she was still wearing the bondage my grandfather made her wear. Her case was on 20/20 in the early 90’s because it was a notable case for the argument that “battered wife syndrome” is a real thing. Some women genuinely see no way out other than killing their abuser. But those women don’t run and hide from the consequences, they face them, because any consequence is better than living with the ongoing abuse they suffer through in those situations. So once again and in a very long winded way (but I hope it helps bring some perspective on why I feel like I do about this case)…..I am simply not buying Debra’s story. I think her demise was a cowardly way to escape the consequences of the crimes she left in her wake.

    Ok, so here are my thoughts.

    First of all, on the fire in the house-I don’t think she had to set it in advance at all. From the pictures, the house was old and probably burned quickly. I would assume that she probably had a plan to set the house on fire if the cops showed up, so she most likely had everything out and ready and maybe even had picked a location (like a pantry or closet) that she would set the fire to in the event that the cops did show up.

    Secondly, I have really hard time with stories like this where people bring up domestic violence. The problem is that a lot of women (and men) claim to be survivors of domestic violence when in reality, they are in a dysfunctional relationship to which they contributed to the toxic and violent environment themselves. This is different from domestic abuse where there is a perpetrator and a victim and the victim would never ever dream of lashing out against the perpetrator, because they are in constant fear for their lives, and their survival depends on being placid. So it irks me when people cry DV when there is none because it makes it EXTREMELY difficult for real victims of domestic violence to be able to get help from law enforcement or in civil courts. When I left my abusive marriage, I was pregnant and had a two year old and a 1 year old. And we snuck out at night with only a diaper bag. He happened to leave me home with car keys, which he never did, and he did not come back by 10:30 like he said he would. By midnight I felt like maybe this was my window so I seized it, though the whole time I was leaving--from opening the front door to walking down the driveway-- I felt like I was going to get caught by him and that would be the end of it. There was no planning involved, and even though I only had $4.29 to my name and no where to go, I never in my life would have imagined stealing someone’s wallet to help my escape. I can verify that only a handful of people knew about the abuse and even then, they only knew what I told them, which was the hallmark channel version if you will. So I don’t think the fact that abuse was not widely known is significant, but I am sorry----I just don’t think there was abuse. As far as her running to a next door neighbor for help, I would have to hear more about that to get a better picture of what was going on, but I can tell you that after my ex husband lifted me and threw me into a wall leaving a gigantic hole in the dry wall, the size of my torso and way up over my head (I was a tiny woman at the time) he called the cops and said that I was abusing him and preventing him from leaving the house. He was so convincing they told me they showed up at the house to arrest me. Then they saw the bruises on me and the broken glass and the hole in the wall and they realized at that point who was really being abused there. My point is, there is so much about her behavior and character that sends up red flags about the abuse, including hiding Randy’s body then continuing to live at the scene of the crime, followed by larceny and another dead body being found after her suicide. To me, Debra was calculating and manipulative and self-serving, which is why she chose death over facing her consequences.

    I will end on this note: like most tales of abuse, mine started a couple generations earlier with my grandparents. There was a trickle-down effect to my mother who was raised in abuse, and when raised like that, you typically either become another victim or you become an abuser. My mother became an abuser and my sisters and I were her victims. So when I ran away from home as soon as I turned 18, I ran into the arms of an abuser, and I accepted the treatment for awhile because I didn’t think I was worth much more, and honestly the roller coaster ride and cycle of abuse was all I had ever known. But then I started having kids and I realized I wanted a better life for them. The upside to that part of the story is that in becoming a victim, I did not become an abuser and so my babies have not suffered from a life that just as easily could have fallen the other way had my DNA been slightly different than what it is. But anyways, after 8 years of marriage to an abuser, I finally left, got full custody of my kids and a standing restraining order against my ex husband. But going back to my grandparents---My grandmother shot and killed my grandpa as he lay sleeping on the couch after he had just finished abusing her in his s&m dungeon he had. Then my grandma called the police on herself and told them what she had done. When they arrived she was still wearing the bondage my grandfather made her wear. Her case was on 20/20 in the early 90’s because it was a notable case for the argument that “battered wife syndrome” is a real thing. Some women genuinely see no way out other than killing their abuser. But those women don’t run and hide from the consequences, they face them, because any consequence is better than living with the ongoing abuse they suffer through in those situations. So once again and in a very long winded way (but I hope it helps bring some perspective on why I feel like I do about this case)…..I am simply not buying Debra’s story. I think her demise was a cowardly way to escape the consequences of the crimes she left in her wake.

  • Mark

    Mark Upstate NY

    I live in the area. Glad to hear this story told To answer a question above, no she would not of had discrete access to a crane Of course I also smiled when the town of Delhi ( dell-hi) was pronounced "deli" Easy mistake to make if you know world geography

    I live in the area. Glad to hear this story told

    To answer a question above, no she would not of had discrete access to a crane

    Of course I also smiled when the town of Delhi ( dell-hi) was pronounced "deli"
    Easy mistake to make if you know world geography

  • @Jenn I had the same thoughts about Dominick somehow being involved and he became a liability for her plan. As someone else mentioned I believe the stealing of the pocketbook was a plan of identity theft to run with. When the police showed up she thought the gig was up and decided to go with a plan B instead of trying to run.

    @Jenn I had the same thoughts about Dominick somehow being involved and he became a liability for her plan. As someone else mentioned I believe the stealing of the pocketbook was a plan of identity theft to run with. When the police showed up she thought the gig was up and decided to go with a plan B instead of trying to run.

  • Nicholas

    Nicholas Missouri

    Another awesome podcast, with the added bonus of being able to hear Aaron from Generation Why - a terribly insightful character from my neck of the woods, KCMO. Given that the participants/victims were rather isolated and are now deceased, one is left to tell one's own tale regarding what may have happened. Here are what I think are the most important points as well as my conjecture regarding these events. 1. Not that I want to dismiss the reports of domestic violence, but I do think one needs to have some appropriate skepticism given that Deborah talked about this abuse in conjunction with a series of obvious untruths she was telling regarding Randy - that his family needed to call her because his cell phone was lost, that Randy had run away with a mysterious other woman when he was in fact decomposing in a 55 gallon drum in the backyard, and that Randy had gotten the target of his non-existent affair pregnant. There is a great deal of material here being fabricated by Deborah, much of it designed to lead people to taking a sympathetic stance toward her. One should at least consider that her reports of domestic violence, made after she had apparently ruthlessly murdered her husband and stuffed him into a barrel, could be along the same lines. 2. I assume that Deborah had a significant personality disorder. I was really struck by Nic's insightful analysis regarding how her behaviors indicate that she her needed to be in control of people and events. It's insights like this that separate the Garage from other podcasts (that, and the beer). 3. Dominic was apparently at the bottom of the stairs for a number of days. He was a big man, and would have been difficult to move, and I assume that Deborah was not able to do so. This also suggests to me that Deborah would have had trouble single-handedly stuffing the rather large Randy into a barrel and transporting him to the backyard. For me, this argues that she needed help with Randy, and her inability to move bodies by herself may have caused the dilemma that eventually ended in the fire and suicide. 4. So with those prerequisites, my story is as follows: Deborah became romantically involved with Dominic, and decided to do away with Randy to pursue her new love interest. After she dispatched with Randy, she was able to gain the cooperation of her new boyfriend to move the 225 pounds of dead weight that represented Randy's body into the barrel, and to move the very heavy barrel to the backyard. After a time, the relationship with Dominic began to fail, which placed Deborah in a pickle given his knowledge of the crime. He may have even threatened to expose her as they argued, and under the circumstances allowing him to walk out was intolerable. To keep Dominic from ever revealing what he knew, Deborah orchestrated in some fashion his fall down the stairs, and when she realized she could not move his body, then likely planned to burn down the house to conceal what had happened. She may have contemplated suicide as well as an alternative plan; she obviously did not want to be caught and prosecuted for her crimes and again she had a strong desire to be in control of her fate. My guess is that she was ambivalent about the suicide plan (as most who consider suicide are) given that she did not kill herself immediately after murdering Dominic, which seems pretty standard fair in murder/suicides. The fact that she so unhesitatingly shot her dog also tells me she had already been thinking quite a bit about this the dog-shooting/suicide possibility. Her ruminations about what to do next were interrupted by the police serving her with the bench warrant, which forcefully pushed her thinking toward a combined ending - the already contemplated plan of killing her dog and herself, and letting loose the preparations she had also made to set fire to the house. We'll never really know, but this as a good a tale as I can come up with.

    Another awesome podcast, with the added bonus of being able to hear Aaron from Generation Why - a terribly insightful character from my neck of the woods, KCMO.

    Given that the participants/victims were rather isolated and are now deceased, one is left to tell one's own tale regarding what may have happened. Here are what I think are the most important points as well as my conjecture regarding these events.

    1. Not that I want to dismiss the reports of domestic violence, but I do think one needs to have some appropriate skepticism given that Deborah talked about this abuse in conjunction with a series of obvious untruths she was telling regarding Randy - that his family needed to call her because his cell phone was lost, that Randy had run away with a mysterious other woman when he was in fact decomposing in a 55 gallon drum in the backyard, and that Randy had gotten the target of his non-existent affair pregnant. There is a great deal of material here being fabricated by Deborah, much of it designed to lead people to taking a sympathetic stance toward her. One should at least consider that her reports of domestic violence, made after she had apparently ruthlessly murdered her husband and stuffed him into a barrel, could be along the same lines.
    2. I assume that Deborah had a significant personality disorder. I was really struck by Nic's insightful analysis regarding how her behaviors indicate that she her needed to be in control of people and events. It's insights like this that separate the Garage from other podcasts (that, and the beer).
    3. Dominic was apparently at the bottom of the stairs for a number of days. He was a big man, and would have been difficult to move, and I assume that Deborah was not able to do so. This also suggests to me that Deborah would have had trouble single-handedly stuffing the rather large Randy into a barrel and transporting him to the backyard. For me, this argues that she needed help with Randy, and her inability to move bodies by herself may have caused the dilemma that eventually ended in the fire and suicide.
    4. So with those prerequisites, my story is as follows: Deborah became romantically involved with Dominic, and decided to do away with Randy to pursue her new love interest. After she dispatched with Randy, she was able to gain the cooperation of her new boyfriend to move the 225 pounds of dead weight that represented Randy's body into the barrel, and to move the very heavy barrel to the backyard. After a time, the relationship with Dominic began to fail, which placed Deborah in a pickle given his knowledge of the crime. He may have even threatened to expose her as they argued, and under the circumstances allowing him to walk out was intolerable. To keep Dominic from ever revealing what he knew, Deborah orchestrated in some fashion his fall down the stairs, and when she realized she could not move his body, then likely planned to burn down the house to conceal what had happened. She may have contemplated suicide as well as an alternative plan; she obviously did not want to be caught and prosecuted for her crimes and again she had a strong desire to be in control of her fate. My guess is that she was ambivalent about the suicide plan (as most who consider suicide are) given that she did not kill herself immediately after murdering Dominic, which seems pretty standard fair in murder/suicides. The fact that she so unhesitatingly shot her dog also tells me she had already been thinking quite a bit about this the dog-shooting/suicide possibility. Her ruminations about what to do next were interrupted by the police serving her with the bench warrant, which forcefully pushed her thinking toward a combined ending - the already contemplated plan of killing her dog and herself, and letting loose the preparations she had also made to set fire to the house.

    We'll never really know, but this as a good a tale as I can come up with.

  • PF

    PF Florida

    I've listened to True Crime Garage for quiet awhile. Story content is very well researched and presented with the exception of "The Captain's" infernal interruptions riddled with ridiculous questions or ludicrous comments. They interfere with the flow of Nic's eloquent dialogue. Nic, you do a great job. Captain? Shhhhh….

    I've listened to True Crime Garage for quiet awhile. Story content is very well researched and presented with the exception of "The Captain's" infernal interruptions riddled with ridiculous questions or ludicrous comments. They interfere with the flow of Nic's eloquent dialogue. Nic, you do a great job. Captain? Shhhhh….

  • Pinched Undies

    Pinched Undies Aloha-ville

    She killed her dog. What is the question? Motivation? For nuttiness?

    She killed her dog. What is the question? Motivation? For nuttiness?

  • diarmuid

    diarmuid Ireland

    No Captain, no listen . Sorry but its true and probably me acting like a wee baby but still..

    No Captain, no listen . Sorry but its true and probably me acting like a wee baby but still..

  • Hillary

    Hillary Warren, OH

    Rachel, thank you for sharing your stories. You're a very brave woman to leave. My thoughts on the case: About Randy- I think potential domestic violence by Randy as a motive for murder is possible, though as Rachel said, it's highly likely that Debra was a manipulative abuser as well. I had the same thought as Cat about Debra using a pumpkin crane or other heavy lifting device to put his body in the barrel. About Dominic- Dominic's family stating that he was a really honest guy makes me feel that he was killed by Debra after he found out about Randy's murder and either asked her about it, or even threatened to turn her in. I like Nic's idea that the cops happened to catch her mid-arson (to hide Dominic's body). About the suicide- I agree with Cheryl; she didn't want to go to jail and open up the possibility for getting caught for murder.

    Rachel, thank you for sharing your stories. You're a very brave woman to leave.

    My thoughts on the case:
    About Randy- I think potential domestic violence by Randy as a motive for murder is possible, though as Rachel said, it's highly likely that Debra was a manipulative abuser as well. I had the same thought as Cat about Debra using a pumpkin crane or other heavy lifting device to put his body in the barrel.

    About Dominic-
    Dominic's family stating that he was a really honest guy makes me feel that he was killed by Debra after he found out about Randy's murder and either asked her about it, or even threatened to turn her in. I like Nic's idea that the cops happened to catch her mid-arson (to hide Dominic's body).

    About the suicide- I agree with Cheryl; she didn't want to go to jail and open up the possibility for getting caught for murder.

  • joe

    joe dirt

    i agree with Cathy Hudson MA up above. Not feeling the guest and audio was not good. Crazy how many captain haters there are out there considering he and nick both created the podcast and Captain does (i believe) all of the technical and sound mixing stuff. Captain says what all of us think and if you don't like the show with him on it, kick rocks.

    i agree with Cathy Hudson MA up above. Not feeling the guest and audio was not good. Crazy how many captain haters there are out there considering he and nick both created the podcast and Captain does (i believe) all of the technical and sound mixing stuff. Captain says what all of us think and if you don't like the show with him on it, kick rocks.

  • Natasha

    Natasha Houston

    All these people hating on the captain.... why do you continue to listen? Their banter is the main reason they continue to be my favorite podcast!!!

    All these people hating on the captain.... why do you continue to listen? Their banter is the main reason they continue to be my favorite podcast!!!

  • Susan

    Susan Wayne, IL

    I just had one thought as to the domestic violence. (Not trying to lessen the severity of dm, I’ve had that in my youth and it’s very damaging and horrific) What if there was no physical fight? I mean, if the neighbor and her telling people was the proof, perhaps she made that up just in case she got caught. And as to her bruises, might they have been self inflicted to further the narrative in case she got caught? Just a thought. LOVE the crossover! Listened to both❤️

    I just had one thought as to the domestic violence. (Not trying to lessen the severity of dm, I’ve had that in my youth and it’s very damaging and horrific) What if there was no physical fight? I mean, if the neighbor and her telling people was the proof, perhaps she made that up just in case she got caught. And as to her bruises, might they have been self inflicted to further the narrative in case she got caught? Just a thought.
    LOVE the crossover! Listened to both❤️

  • Pam

    Pam Parts Unknown

    where's the captain!? he brings so much to the podcast, missed him this week :(

    where's the captain!? he brings so much to the podcast, missed him this week frown

  • John

    John Seattle

    I think she killed Randy by herself for her own control related reasons, maybe he wanted to build a relationship with his daughter, whatever. If Dominic had helped I don't see them leaving the barrel in her yard especially with the friendly neighbor. Too much risk for no reason. It feels like she murdered Dominic to set the stage for her leaving the area, kill him, kill the dog, burn the house down and escape with whatever she could take from the summer home, the stolen purse, etc. Being caught stealing the purse probably sped up her timeline, maybe she planned to steal more or had been stealing for a while without getting caught. The cops showing significantly impacted her plan and she was not going to go to jail.

    I think she killed Randy by herself for her own control related reasons, maybe he wanted to build a relationship with his daughter, whatever. If Dominic had helped I don't see them leaving the barrel in her yard especially with the friendly neighbor. Too much risk for no reason. It feels like she murdered Dominic to set the stage for her leaving the area, kill him, kill the dog, burn the house down and escape with whatever she could take from the summer home, the stolen purse, etc. Being caught stealing the purse probably sped up her timeline, maybe she planned to steal more or had been stealing for a while without getting caught. The cops showing significantly impacted her plan and she was not going to go to jail.

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