Diane Schuler ////// 69 

Diane Schuler ////// 69 

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The Taconic Parkway Crash of 2009 was one of the areas most tragic stories. The fatal three car crash resulted in the deaths of eight people. It was quickly determined that Diane Schuler 36 years of age was responsible for the crash and the homicides of the other 7 innocent victims. An autopsy determined her blood alcohol level to be .19%, that's more than two times the legal limit for the state of New York. Her husband and sister in-law have publicly stated that Diane was not a drinker and this was not a homicide but in fact an accident. Her erratic driving was the result of either a stroke or a health issue. Tonight we examine the Schuler families' statements and take a look at the facts. Why was a seemingly good mother driving under the influence with 5 young children in her vehicle? 
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38 comments

  • Vicki

    Vicki Georgia

    Just watched the documentary and it is such a sad story. Sure left me questioning what was going on in that 4 hour drive.

    Just watched the documentary and it is such a sad story. Sure left me questioning what was going on in that 4 hour drive.

  • A Signer

    A Signer OR

    Is it possible that she had a migraine or cluster headache? Those can cause vision problems, disorientation, vomiting, problems with speech and language, and horrific pain that may drive someone to self-medicate if not thinking clearly.

    Is it possible that she had a migraine or cluster headache? Those can cause vision problems, disorientation, vomiting, problems with speech and language, and horrific pain that may drive someone to self-medicate if not thinking clearly.

  • Ro

    Ro

    This case fascinates me. A break in someone's psyche is the ultimate puzzle and probably the most scary! Have you ever heard of or covered Elisa Lam? That would be a great case for you guys to cover! ~You guys are my favorite podcast~ and not because I'm an Ohio girl ;)

    This case fascinates me. A break in someone's psyche is the ultimate puzzle and probably the most scary! Have you ever heard of or covered Elisa Lam? That would be a great case for you guys to cover! ~You guys are my favorite podcast~ and not because I'm an Ohio girl wink

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  • J-hutch

    J-hutch England!!

    I found this a really sad case but one thing really jumped out to me that didn't seem to be mentioned....it's a bit far fetched maybe but would definitely explain things - is it not possible that her food at McDonalds was spiked?? Marijuana could easily have been in her food without her knowing and alcohol in her drink?? Couldn't this have been a childish prank aimed at someone else that went horribly wrong?? She just doesn't strike me as the kind of person that would tisk the lives of all those kids. I think if she had thought she had alcohol or drugs in her system she would have stopped?? Who knows....love the podcasts tho!

    I found this a really sad case but one thing really jumped out to me that didn't seem to be mentioned....it's a bit far fetched maybe but would definitely explain things - is it not possible that her food at McDonalds was spiked?? Marijuana could easily have been in her food without her knowing and alcohol in her drink?? Couldn't this have been a childish prank aimed at someone else that went horribly wrong?? She just doesn't strike me as the kind of person that would tisk the lives of all those kids. I think if she had thought she had alcohol or drugs in her system she would have stopped?? Who knows....love the podcasts tho!

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    J-hutch • England!! Kind of far fetched but i guess anything is possible. But how would they know what order her food was.

    J-hutch • England!!

    Kind of far fetched but i guess anything is possible. But how would they know what order her food was.

  • Chris

    Chris

    What a sad case, and quite complex. I think she likely had addiction issues that either her family didn't know about, or that they are not owning up to (or, third option, they maybe had hints or clues, but were in denial). Ask anyone in a 12-step program and they can tell you there are two things addicts are exceedingly good at; getting to that next high, and (quite often) hiding their habit from the world. I suppose they would have known from the toxicology reports, but the apparent psychotic break makes me wonder if she perhaps gotten her hands on marijuana that was (unbeknownst to her) laced with something a little more sinister. Read up on experiences people have had from PCP (often smoked with marijuana), and driving the wrong way down a major highway is not at all beyond the pale. When things go bad for people using that drug, they seem to go REALLY bad. Just read up on the case of the rapper Big Lurch. But since there is no indication of substances apart from marijuana and alcohol, at the end of the day I think she may have been suicidal, and willing to take people with her. What she did seems to intentional. If we can rule out a stroke, there simply aren't too many other medical conditions in which someone would not have the presence of mind to simply stop the car, get help in person or by phone, and spare the lives of the 5 kids travelling with her.

    What a sad case, and quite complex. I think she likely had addiction issues that either her family didn't know about, or that they are not owning up to (or, third option, they maybe had hints or clues, but were in denial). Ask anyone in a 12-step program and they can tell you there are two things addicts are exceedingly good at; getting to that next high, and (quite often) hiding their habit from the world.

    I suppose they would have known from the toxicology reports, but the apparent psychotic break makes me wonder if she perhaps gotten her hands on marijuana that was (unbeknownst to her) laced with something a little more sinister. Read up on experiences people have had from PCP (often smoked with marijuana), and driving the wrong way down a major highway is not at all beyond the pale. When things go bad for people using that drug, they seem to go REALLY bad. Just read up on the case of the rapper Big Lurch.

    But since there is no indication of substances apart from marijuana and alcohol, at the end of the day I think she may have been suicidal, and willing to take people with her. What she did seems to intentional. If we can rule out a stroke, there simply aren't too many other medical conditions in which someone would not have the presence of mind to simply stop the car, get help in person or by phone, and spare the lives of the 5 kids travelling with her.

  • Judy Michel

    Judy Michel Florida

    Drive from above Harriman Exit to Babylon, Long Island is good 5 hours. Of course husband would deny autopsy results. He will lose everything in law suits. I had a case with similar results. Plaintiff suing Defendant Estate. Def drove her kids and Plaintiff kids on 95 in FL on way to school. Def had smoked weed b4 driving. Lost control of car - all kill d. No alcohol, just pot. Defense filed motion to keep THC from becoming my No it was too cold, I just walked up my street during my trial.

    Drive from above Harriman Exit to Babylon, Long Island is good 5 hours. Of course husband would deny autopsy results. He will lose everything in law suits. I had a case with similar results. Plaintiff suing Defendant Estate. Def drove her kids and Plaintiff kids on 95 in FL on way to school. Def had smoked weed b4 driving. Lost control of car - all kill d. No alcohol, just pot. Defense filed motion to keep THC from becoming my No it was too cold, I just walked up my street during my trial.

  • ABL

    ABL Australia

    Watched the doco last night and couple of points really jumped out (to me anyway). Her voicemail message still in maiden name after 13 years married? The husbands seemingly lack of compassion towards the surviving son (he seemed ticked off or regretful that he has to raise and look after his son alone?) Could be just my way of looking at it? The sisters drive to clear Diane's name? For her brothers sake perhaps? Then towards the end appearing to have been mislead by someone as to the investigators refusal to provide test results (a conversation she has with the investigator where he said they tried to contact and she commented that she was informed otherwise (so by who was she told that the husband?) also the investigator then confirmed the secondary test was also positive anyway? And what other possible motive than the father worrying about how the guilty verdict could impact on the son. Really it seems he is worried more of the impact on him. I wonder if anyone checked on the life insurance aspect as well they don't pay if there is drugs and alcohol involved do they. Something just doesn't feel right about this incredibly sad tragedy. I don't want to sound callus after all the evidence and verdict are without question my thoughts to share were about why do they keep dragging it out creating even more pain for everyone else involved? These comments and speculations have probably already been made so apologies if I am just repeating old news as well. Nic and the Captain great job on all your work been a huge fan for a while now.

    Watched the doco last night and couple of points really jumped out (to me anyway).
    Her voicemail message still in maiden name after 13 years married?
    The husbands seemingly lack of compassion towards the surviving son (he seemed ticked off or regretful that he has to raise and look after his son alone?) Could be just my way of looking at it?
    The sisters drive to clear Diane's name? For her brothers sake perhaps? Then towards the end appearing to have been mislead by someone as to the investigators refusal to provide test results (a conversation she has with the investigator where he said they tried to contact and she commented that she was informed otherwise (so by who was she told that the husband?) also the investigator then confirmed the secondary test was also positive anyway?
    And what other possible motive than the father worrying about how the guilty verdict could impact on the son. Really it seems he is worried more of the impact on him. I wonder if anyone checked on the life insurance aspect as well they don't pay if there is drugs and alcohol involved do they. Something just doesn't feel right about this incredibly sad tragedy. I don't want to sound callus after all the evidence and verdict are without question my thoughts to share were about why do they keep dragging it out creating even more pain for everyone else involved? These comments and speculations have probably already been made so apologies if I am just repeating old news as well.
    Nic and the Captain great job on all your work been a huge fan for a while now.

  • Tim

    Tim Chino Hills, Ca

    What a tragic accident for all of the families involved. I understand how some would want to believe that this accident occurred because of some medical issue Diane suffered during the short trip home, but that is just contrary to all of the facts. She had a high blood alcohol level, she had undigested alcohol in her stomach, and she had THC in her system. Clearly, intoxication was a factor in this accident. To believe Diane suffered a mini stroke, diabetic event, or some other kind of mentally debilitating occurrence is just contrary to all of the other facts. There is a couple of things I can think of which could explain Diane’s state without her having been a closet alcoholic. What if, when Diane failed to get the pain medicine for her tooth at the gas station, she started swirling some vodka (which was already in the car) around in her mouth to numb the pain. The pain giving her a splitting headache she starts swallowing some of the vodka. I can assure anyone who has not experienced it, it is extremely difficult to judge when you move from very buzzed to completely intoxicated. It has cost many people their lives and the lives of others over the years. Another possibility of what could have happened and the more likely in my mind, is similar to what j-hutch suggests. What if she unknowingly obtained marijuana with something in it? It is not unheard of the additives are put into marijuana. Although several states, including California in the last election, have legalized recreational use of marijuana, in 2009 she would have likely had to obtain marijuana illicitly. Here is an article about just one possible additive: http://infotel.ca/newsitem/warnings-about-fentanyl-laced-marijuana-in-the-southern-interior/it22094 Here is a page that shows some of the side effects of this drug: https://www.drugs.com/sfx/fentanyl-side-effects.html Here is one on bath salts, which isn’t even really defined as a specific drug and could be any kind of designer concoction. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/man-speaks-about-reaction-bath-salt-laced-joint/242108337 Whatever the case it is all very sad. Tim

    What a tragic accident for all of the families involved.

    I understand how some would want to believe that this accident occurred because of some medical issue Diane suffered during the short trip home, but that is just contrary to all of the facts. She had a high blood alcohol level, she had undigested alcohol in her stomach, and she had THC in her system. Clearly, intoxication was a factor in this accident. To believe Diane suffered a mini stroke, diabetic event, or some other kind of mentally debilitating occurrence is just contrary to all of the other facts.

    There is a couple of things I can think of which could explain Diane’s state without her having been a closet alcoholic.

    What if, when Diane failed to get the pain medicine for her tooth at the gas station, she started swirling some vodka (which was already in the car) around in her mouth to numb the pain. The pain giving her a splitting headache she starts swallowing some of the vodka. I can assure anyone who has not experienced it, it is extremely difficult to judge when you move from very buzzed to completely intoxicated. It has cost many people their lives and the lives of others over the years.

    Another possibility of what could have happened and the more likely in my mind, is similar to what j-hutch suggests. What if she unknowingly obtained marijuana with something in it? It is not unheard of the additives are put into marijuana. Although several states, including California in the last election, have legalized recreational use of marijuana, in 2009 she would have likely had to obtain marijuana illicitly.

    Here is an article about just one possible additive:
    http://infotel.ca/newsitem/warnings-about-fentanyl-laced-marijuana-in-the-southern-interior/it22094

    Here is a page that shows some of the side effects of this drug:
    https://www.drugs.com/sfx/fentanyl-side-effects.html

    Here is one on bath salts, which isn’t even really defined as a specific drug and could be any kind of designer concoction.
    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/man-speaks-about-reaction-bath-salt-laced-joint/242108337

    Whatever the case it is all very sad.

    Tim

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    ABL I'm with you the dad/husband seems like he's been mailing it in for the whole marriage and parenthood portion of his live. It's like he's a big kid and doesn't know how to be a parent or contributing husband. Im really glad the little boy is in therapy and he has an aunt that is looking out for him. Lots of great comments on here. This is a case that just naturally generates good and strange conversation! Cheers, Nic

    ABL
    I'm with you the dad/husband seems like he's been mailing it in for the whole marriage and parenthood portion of his live. It's like he's a big kid and doesn't know how to be a parent or contributing husband. Im really glad the little boy is in therapy and he has an aunt that is looking out for him. Lots of great comments on here. This is a case that just naturally generates good and strange conversation!
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Ian

    Ian Utah

    My Theory She was suffering an extreme onset of pain from her absess tooth and tried to purchase pain meds, maybe they didn't have what she wanted and thought oh well I can make it home...but it got worse...so maybe her pot will ease the pain? but no it rages on.....how about vodka...a little...a little more takes a bit to realize you are drunk and by then you are not of clear mind at all which leads to poor decisions...maybe the rest of the vodka certainly bad driving...very sad story...too bad she failed to communicate her needs while she was coherent

    My Theory
    She was suffering an extreme onset of pain from her absess tooth and tried to purchase pain meds, maybe they didn't have what she wanted and thought oh well I can make it home...but it got worse...so maybe her pot will ease the pain? but no it rages on.....how about vodka...a little...a little more takes a bit to realize you are drunk and by then you are not of clear mind at all which leads to poor decisions...maybe the rest of the vodka certainly bad driving...very sad story...too bad she failed to communicate her needs while she was coherent

  • Zoe Ciccarelli

    Zoe Ciccarelli Edmonton, Canada

    Ian, I think you might be on to something. poor enamel runs in my family, so I have had my share of abscesses, and it hurts like a MF. Definitely pain that makes you pull out your weed. Pain like that makes you say/do things you would normally never do... that's why torture was such a popular form of interrogation for centuries... Good call. No matter what, seriously sad car wreck. that's why I don't smoke and drive, not for my own safety, but I couldn't live with myself if I hurt someone else, because I did something stupid. Keep up the good work, guys. I just told my mum about you, so you may have a new listener.

    Ian,

    I think you might be on to something. poor enamel runs in my family, so I have had my share of abscesses, and it hurts like a MF. Definitely pain that makes you pull out your weed. Pain like that makes you say/do things you would normally never do... that's why torture was such a popular form of interrogation for centuries... Good call.

    No matter what, seriously sad car wreck. that's why I don't smoke and drive, not for my own safety, but I couldn't live with myself if I hurt someone else, because I did something stupid.

    Keep up the good work, guys. I just told my mum about you, so you may have a new listener.

  • Dave Young

    Dave Young California

    Great show; keep up the good work. There are other good TC podcasts but you are the best. The Taconic Pkwy Crash is quite a tragedy but I think it is less a mystery than people are making of it. There is no question that she consumed a lot of vodka and smoked weed on top of it. Her blood alcohol level was consistent not only with her impaired driving but her earlier throwing up. The only real "mystery" is whether this was not out of character for her, and therefore partly the fault of her husband for allowing an irresponsible alcoholic to put the life of other people, including her own children at risk or if this was, for her, aberrant behavior. Obviously, the only person who really knows is dead so we will never be certain but their is some evidence. The Post Mortum indicated none of the liver damage one would expect an alcoholic to have. Liver damage is generally associated with long term, regular heavy drinking. Not every body (or liver) is the same, but it tells us something. Dianne had a highly paid, demanding job. There are plenty of alcoholics who have these type jobs but they are generally regarded as "functional alcoholics" : they are able to control their drinking in order to avoid serious problems. Chugging down ten shots of vodka, and smoking pot on top of it, while driving with a van full of kids, is the type of behavior that is going to bring your life down in short order. I think it is more likely that she wanted to "cop a buzz" for what ever reason; a toothache, a headache or just a stressful drive with a carful of kids, and she serious misjudged the amount of alcohol she had drank. By quickly downing an unmeasured quantity of vodka and failing to accurately consider the amount of vodka that might still be in her stomach unabsorbed before drinking more, she was setting herself up for getting far more intoxicated than she had anticipated. I suspect that at the time when she was starting to feel about right, and smoke a little pot to take the edge off, there were several ounces of booze in her stomach that was going to quickly pass into her blood stream. Unfortunately, people who are very drunk are not only bad drivers but they make very bad decisions. If this is what happened, the husband could hardly be blamed. While he might have tried to protect his wife's reputation ( and perhaps defend himself from a lawsuit), but he is hardly culpable for the wreak.

    Great show; keep up the good work. There are other good TC podcasts but you are the best.

    The Taconic Pkwy Crash is quite a tragedy but I think it is less a mystery than people are making of it. There is no question that she consumed a lot of vodka and smoked weed on top of it. Her blood alcohol level was consistent not only with her impaired driving but her earlier throwing up. The only real "mystery" is whether this was not out of character for her, and therefore partly the fault of her husband for allowing an irresponsible alcoholic to put the life of other people, including her own children at risk or if this was, for her, aberrant behavior. Obviously, the only person who really knows is dead so we will never be certain but their is some evidence.

    The Post Mortum indicated none of the liver damage one would expect an alcoholic to have. Liver damage is generally associated with long term, regular heavy drinking. Not every body (or liver) is the same, but it tells us something.

    Dianne had a highly paid, demanding job. There are plenty of alcoholics who have these type jobs but they are generally regarded as "functional alcoholics" : they are able to control their drinking in order to avoid serious problems. Chugging down ten shots of vodka, and smoking pot on top of it, while driving with a van full of kids, is the type of behavior that is going to bring your life down in short order.

    I think it is more likely that she wanted to "cop a buzz" for what ever reason; a toothache, a headache or just a stressful drive with a carful of kids, and she serious misjudged the amount of alcohol she had drank. By quickly downing an unmeasured quantity of vodka and failing to accurately consider the amount of vodka that might still be in her stomach unabsorbed before drinking more, she was setting herself up for getting far more intoxicated than she had anticipated. I suspect that at the time when she was starting to feel about right, and smoke a little pot to take the edge off, there were several ounces of booze in her stomach that was going to quickly pass into her blood stream. Unfortunately, people who are very drunk are not only bad drivers but they make very bad decisions.

    If this is what happened, the husband could hardly be blamed. While he might have tried to protect his wife's reputation ( and perhaps defend himself from a lawsuit), but he is hardly culpable for the wreak.

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    Dave, Thanks for putting your thoughts down here for all to see. Very compelling stuff! Cheers, Nic

    Dave,
    Thanks for putting your thoughts down here for all to see. Very compelling stuff!
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Brianna

    Brianna Dallas, Texas

    Diane's story shared so many similarities to my own personal story as a child. When my siblings and I were younger my dad one summer took us on a drive to go on vacation. At first his driving was fine, but later he began to drive erratically much like Diane. It was a two lane road, so he would often try to pass cars by going into the opposite direction lane at very high speeds. In addition, he would get extremely close to cars (a few feet away) and then back off over and over again. His driving almost perfectly mirrored Diane's driving as described in the podcast. Luckily, my story did not end up like Diane's, although it easily could have. My dad tried passing a semi-truck going 80 miles an hour and almost hit a car head on in the process. My brother, 16 at the time, was trying to get my dad to pull over. My dad continuously refused. I had absolutely no idea what was going on, but I chipped in because clearly "daddy wasn't feeling well." Finally, my dad stopped at a gas station. After my brother tried my dad's drink, he sadly understood that my dad was drunk. My brother refused to let my dad drive anymore, getting into a very heated argument with my dad. Luckily my dad gave up and passed out in the passenger seat as my brother drove us home. Without my brother, I am sure my story would have ended differently. As I am someone in the medical field, the toxicology reports do not lie. She had excessive alcohol and THC in her body. Clearly, she was under the influence for whatever reason (pain, closet alcoholic, etc..) Although she might be "someone who would never do that," many people would say the same thing about my dad. Sorry for the depressing post... This podcast just brought a lot of fresh feelings from the past. Great show! Keep up the good work :)

    Diane's story shared so many similarities to my own personal story as a child. When my siblings and I were younger my dad one summer took us on a drive to go on vacation. At first his driving was fine, but later he began to drive erratically much like Diane. It was a two lane road, so he would often try to pass cars by going into the opposite direction lane at very high speeds. In addition, he would get extremely close to cars (a few feet away) and then back off over and over again. His driving almost perfectly mirrored Diane's driving as described in the podcast.

    Luckily, my story did not end up like Diane's, although it easily could have. My dad tried passing a semi-truck going 80 miles an hour and almost hit a car head on in the process. My brother, 16 at the time, was trying to get my dad to pull over. My dad continuously refused. I had absolutely no idea what was going on, but I chipped in because clearly "daddy wasn't feeling well." Finally, my dad stopped at a gas station. After my brother tried my dad's drink, he sadly understood that my dad was drunk. My brother refused to let my dad drive anymore, getting into a very heated argument with my dad. Luckily my dad gave up and passed out in the passenger seat as my brother drove us home. Without my brother, I am sure my story would have ended differently.

    As I am someone in the medical field, the toxicology reports do not lie. She had excessive alcohol and THC in her body. Clearly, she was under the influence for whatever reason (pain, closet alcoholic, etc..) Although she might be "someone who would never do that," many people would say the same thing about my dad.

    Sorry for the depressing post... This podcast just brought a lot of fresh feelings from the past. Great show! Keep up the good work smile

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    It's good to hear your story and thanks for the medical knowledge. I hope your family is well. Cheers, Nic

    It's good to hear your story and thanks for the medical knowledge. I hope your family is well.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • R

    R Parts Unknown

    My take on this case is that Diane was incredibly irresponsible, made terrible decisions especially when in the care of five children, and ultimately if she didn't die she would probably be rotting in a cell while also being sued for her extensive wealth. She was either a secret addict and alcoholic- who jumped at the opportunity to get messed up after separating with her husband to travel home from camping. If she was 'treating' tooth pain with bong rips and 10 shots of vodka- it's still absolutely absurd on her part. Some one who is smart enough to be making 100 grand a year knows that they shouldn't be drinking and driving with that high of a BAC and 5 kids in the car. So many people are looking for any reason to absolve her of guilt- from a freak undetectable-by-autopsy medical event, to 'abuse' by her husband driving her mad, to her being drugged- It's all BS! Lab tests don't lie twice, and nobody forced her to drink all that booze. End the denial surrounding this woman who was the sole cause of this tragedy.

    My take on this case is that Diane was incredibly irresponsible, made terrible decisions especially when in the care of five children, and ultimately if she didn't die she would probably be rotting in a cell while also being sued for her extensive wealth. She was either a secret addict and alcoholic- who jumped at the opportunity to get messed up after separating with her husband to travel home from camping. If she was 'treating' tooth pain with bong rips and 10 shots of vodka- it's still absolutely absurd on her part. Some one who is smart enough to be making 100 grand a year knows that they shouldn't be drinking and driving with that high of a BAC and 5 kids in the car. So many people are looking for any reason to absolve her of guilt- from a freak undetectable-by-autopsy medical event, to 'abuse' by her husband driving her mad, to her being drugged- It's all BS! Lab tests don't lie twice, and nobody forced her to drink all that booze. End the denial surrounding this woman who was the sole cause of this tragedy.

  • Stormy Lntz

    Stormy Lntz North Dakota

    My take as a health care professional. Toxicology screens dont lie. With a litigious case like this a repeat would have been done to confirm. My thoughts: mom and dad on opposite work schedules, and mom juggling a high stress job and young children. After a wekend at the lake, Carolyn has not been drinking like she does daily and is on the verge of alcoholic delirium tremmons ( because she has been using alcohol daily in large amounts secretly). Her symptoms on the drive home: nausea,blurred vision,shaking, confusion are resulting from acute alcohol withdrawal . Her only recourse is to drink alchol as she is wholly dependent on it. This is why her post mortem blood screen yields a .19 level. This is just conjecture on my part, however this scenario would be consistent with Carolyn's behavior and subsequent crash and tox.screen. This whole event is tragic and i feel for the victims regardless of the cause.

    My take as a health care professional. Toxicology screens dont lie. With a litigious case like this a repeat would have been done to confirm. My thoughts: mom and dad on opposite work schedules, and mom juggling a high stress job and young children.
    After a wekend at the lake, Carolyn has not been drinking like she does daily and is on the verge of alcoholic delirium tremmons ( because she has been using alcohol daily in large amounts secretly). Her symptoms on the drive home: nausea,blurred vision,shaking, confusion are resulting from acute alcohol withdrawal . Her only recourse is to drink alchol as she is wholly dependent on it. This is why her post mortem blood screen yields a .19 level. This is just conjecture on my part, however this scenario would be consistent with Carolyn's behavior and subsequent crash and tox.screen. This whole event is tragic and i feel for the victims regardless of the cause.

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    Stormy Lntz • North Dakota Thanks for sharing Captain

    Stormy Lntz • North Dakota

    Thanks for sharing

    Captain

  • Chastity

    Chastity Ohio

    I for one found it odd that knowone considered that maybe she was ruffied ? I just think that maybe she was " set up " it all seems a little too perfect .....he takes the dog and drives separately while she has all the kids and the bottle of vodka and since the bottle was destroyed in the accident knowone will really ever know .....plus he does seem agitated with caring for their son where as I would be grateful to at least have one child that survived !!! I think something criminal happened here and possibly involved the husband just my opinion .

    I for one found it odd that knowone considered that maybe she was ruffied ? I just think that maybe she was " set up " it all seems a little too perfect .....he takes the dog and drives separately while she has all the kids and the bottle of vodka and since the bottle was destroyed in the accident knowone will really ever know .....plus he does seem agitated with caring for their son where as I would be grateful to at least have one child that survived !!! I think something criminal happened here and possibly involved the husband just my opinion .

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    Thanks Chastity but unless I missed something there was no evidence of such in the toxicology report. That was something I had considered too until I saw the report. Cheers, Nic

    Thanks Chastity but unless I missed something there was no evidence of such in the toxicology report. That was something I had considered too until I saw the report.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Christine

    Christine St Louis MO

    Just watch the documentary. Nothing fits &amp; I don't believe the simplest answers works. Perhaps auto brewery disorder? It's a thing, google it. Rare but there's an interesting dui case from 2015 involving the disorder. Only way to test for auto brewery disorder at this point would be on existing blood samples drawn prior to the accident for medical tests other than toxicology. But could also be used as argument for long term use/abuse. So perhaps nondiagnosed auto brewery disorder coupled with a stroke or sudden onset of type I I diabetes episode, just my thoughts. Google the case of Patricia Stallings for bizarre legal cases involving a rare disorder.

    Just watch the documentary. Nothing fits & I don't believe the simplest answers works. Perhaps auto brewery disorder? It's a thing, google it. Rare but there's an interesting dui case from 2015 involving the disorder. Only way to test for auto brewery disorder at this point would be on existing blood samples drawn prior to the accident for medical tests other than toxicology. But could also be used as argument for long term use/abuse. So perhaps nondiagnosed auto brewery disorder coupled with a stroke or sudden onset of type I I diabetes episode, just my thoughts.
    Google the case of Patricia Stallings for bizarre legal cases involving a rare disorder.

  • Steven

    Steven Kenosha, WI

    I kept thinking that it's a possibility that she had developed auto-brewery syndrome? It's where the body produces ethanol in the gut due to, I believe, a high amount of yeast in the gut. I saw a documentary where they talked about it. And this guy would get totally shit faced shortly after eating and not drinking a drop. So is it possible she had this syndrome and smoked/ate some pot?

    I kept thinking that it's a possibility that she had developed auto-brewery syndrome? It's where the body produces ethanol in the gut due to, I believe, a high amount of yeast in the gut. I saw a documentary where they talked about it. And this guy would get totally shit faced shortly after eating and not drinking a drop. So is it possible she had this syndrome and smoked/ate some pot?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    It's possible. I just can't help but feel she was getting wasted to get back at her husband. I think she had no intention of hurting the children but I think she was wanting to get tore up that day and maybe as quick as possible. That's my gut though. Nic

    It's possible. I just can't help but feel she was getting wasted to get back at her husband. I think she had no intention of hurting the children but I think she was wanting to get tore up that day and maybe as quick as possible.
    That's my gut though.
    Nic

  • Cliff Lawless

    Cliff Lawless

    Just heard the show yesterday and saw the doc last night. Auto-brewery syndrome immediately leapt to mind. An excessive buildup of yeast in the gut ferments and produces alcohol. Rare but documented. Doesn't explain everything but it could explain the toxicology results. To my mind it can only be one of two things ... ABS or she actually drank that much alcohol in that period of time.

    Just heard the show yesterday and saw the doc last night. Auto-brewery syndrome immediately leapt to mind. An excessive buildup of yeast in the gut ferments and produces alcohol. Rare but documented. Doesn't explain everything but it could explain the toxicology results. To my mind it can only be one of two things ... ABS or she actually drank that much alcohol in that period of time.

  • Brea

    Brea Madison, WI

    Here are my thoughts. I feel like if she had ABS, what are the chances this is the first time it happened and no one had witnessed it before? I find it hard to believe that someone without a drinking problem would make the choice to drink that much on their way home with 5 children. I believe she drank and it was her choice. Possible alcohol withdrawal mixed with a tooth root abscess (and 5 kids in the car) could lead to everything witnessed that day, throw in some pot and things just might get out of control. I know that if I drink or smoke separately, I remain pretty level headed. The two times I mixed the two, I lost all my inhibitions. Perhaps she was trying to self-medicated and it went very badly. She could have also had a legit medical condition on top of that and it created the perfect storm.

    Here are my thoughts. I feel like if she had ABS, what are the chances this is the first time it happened and no one had witnessed it before? I find it hard to believe that someone without a drinking problem would make the choice to drink that much on their way home with 5 children. I believe she drank and it was her choice. Possible alcohol withdrawal mixed with a tooth root abscess (and 5 kids in the car) could lead to everything witnessed that day, throw in some pot and things just might get out of control. I know that if I drink or smoke separately, I remain pretty level headed. The two times I mixed the two, I lost all my inhibitions. Perhaps she was trying to self-medicated and it went very badly. She could have also had a legit medical condition on top of that and it created the perfect storm.

  • Christina

    Christina

    I think she clearly had substance abuse issues her family didn't know about. I don't think that out of nowhere, a person, who is supposed to be driving children home, just gets that drunk if getting drunk isn't a very regular thing for them. However, if she had a drinking problem her tolerance was probably high. Also, since it came as such a shock to everyone, she was obviously good at hiding her drinking. Why then, on this day did she have such an extreme reaction to the alcohol + the pot? I'm going to guess she must have drank a large amount in a short time and it hit her all at once. I think she was driving so fast &amp; like a couple of eyewitnesses said, like she was on a mission, because in her mind, she had to get herself and these kids home so she wouldn't be found out. If she had pulled over for any extended period of time (long enough to sober up quite a bit) she would have had to explain why. It's all really sad at the end of the day. An awful tragedy. But anything besides her being the one who knowingly consumed that alcohol and smoked that pot seems very far fetched to me.

    I think she clearly had substance abuse issues her family didn't know about. I don't think that out of nowhere, a person, who is supposed to be driving children home, just gets that drunk if getting drunk isn't a very regular thing for them. However, if she had a drinking problem her tolerance was probably high. Also, since it came as such a shock to everyone, she was obviously good at hiding her drinking. Why then, on this day did she have such an extreme reaction to the alcohol + the pot? I'm going to guess she must have drank a large amount in a short time and it hit her all at once. I think she was driving so fast & like a couple of eyewitnesses said, like she was on a mission, because in her mind, she had to get herself and these kids home so she wouldn't be found out. If she had pulled over for any extended period of time (long enough to sober up quite a bit) she would have had to explain why. It's all really sad at the end of the day. An awful tragedy. But anything besides her being the one who knowingly consumed that alcohol and smoked that pot seems very far fetched to me.

  • Sueb

    Sueb Oshkosh

    Just read everything i could find on this case...just listened to the audio from Jackie Hance. My big question is " what was said from the brother, Warren, to Jackie in the 9 minute conversation before the crash?" What pissed her off, that when added to the dug n alcohol state would cause her to knowing do what she did? Can't find anything on that conversation, huh!

    Just read everything i could find on this case...just listened to the audio from Jackie Hance. My big question is " what was said from the brother, Warren, to Jackie in the 9 minute conversation before the crash?" What pissed her off, that when added to the dug n alcohol state would cause her to knowing do what she did? Can't find anything on that conversation, huh!

  • Liza

    Liza

    I'm an extremely closed person who does not talk about my personal life to anyone, but little things always escape and I don't think her best friend was telling the truth about her never saying anything about her marriage. Never and anything about a husband who never wanted children and thought that the children were only her responsibility. All this time the family states with 100% certainty that she was not drinking, that she did not drink and would not drink and if she drank they would know... and Jay shows up smoking and says no one in the family knows she smokes and that's the first time they'd see it ... she hides from every family that smokes and no one notices the smell and finds it impossible for Diane to be addicted to vodka without anyone knowing. In this case I think the simplest explanation is the correct one... she was tired, depressed, drunk and lost control.

    I'm an extremely closed person who does not talk about my personal life to anyone, but little things always escape and I don't think her best friend was telling the truth about her never saying anything about her marriage. Never and anything about a husband who never wanted children and thought that the children were only her responsibility.

    All this time the family states with 100% certainty that she was not drinking, that she did not drink and would not drink and if she drank they would know... and Jay shows up smoking and says no one in the family knows she smokes and that's the first time they'd see it ... she hides from every family that smokes and no one notices the smell and finds it impossible for Diane to be addicted to vodka without anyone knowing.

    In this case I think the simplest explanation is the correct one... she was tired, depressed, drunk and lost control.

  • FUTMZ

    FUTMZ Cascades, OR

    This is unreal. It's as if no one posting here even watched the documentary. Almost every comment here is making excuses for Diane, all of which were already disproved. The was NO "abscessed tooth".... that was proven by the medical examiners during two independent autopsies. The was no stroke, no diabetic attack. "Someone drugged her!!!" - except those same autopsies showed alcohol - a LOT of it, and THC. Nothing else. No Ambien, no "roofies". "Auto-brewery" to a .019 BAC? LOL Don't be ridiculous. She had 1.75-liter bottle of vodka up front, right next to her. Not in the cargo area with the rest of the camping supplies, like her husband lied. She was blitzed. Period.

    This is unreal. It's as if no one posting here even watched the documentary. Almost every comment here is making excuses for Diane, all of which were already disproved. The was NO "abscessed tooth".... that was proven by the medical examiners during two independent autopsies. The was no stroke, no diabetic attack. "Someone drugged her!!!" - except those same autopsies showed alcohol - a LOT of it, and THC. Nothing else. No Ambien, no "roofies". "Auto-brewery" to a .019 BAC? LOL Don't be ridiculous. She had 1.75-liter bottle of vodka up front, right next to her. Not in the cargo area with the rest of the camping supplies, like her husband lied. She was blitzed. Period.

  • Caleb

    Caleb Hendry

    This story really hits home for me because I have a strong idea of what happened here. I too have severe tooth issues and have had many tooth abscesses. When a person does not have access to medication for that severe pain they will often use alcohol . I have done this myself. I think what happened here is that she failed to get medication and she needed relief. She then drank, but because it was liquor she quickly drank too much. At that point she made a bad choice to try to push on. She may have done this in an effort to avoid a DUI, and any damage to her image. It is a sad story. But I think she was self medicating for pain.

    This story really hits home for me because I have a strong idea of what happened here. I too have severe tooth issues and have had many tooth abscesses. When a person does not have access to medication for that severe pain they will often use alcohol . I have done this myself. I think what happened here is that she failed to get medication and she needed relief. She then drank, but because it was liquor she quickly drank too much. At that point she made a bad choice to try to push on. She may have done this in an effort to avoid a DUI, and any damage to her image. It is a sad story. But I think she was self medicating for pain.

  • Thinker

    Thinker Oregon

    What about this? This wasn’t “discovered” until 2014 - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-brewery_syndrome

    What about this? This wasn’t “discovered” until 2014 - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-brewery_syndrome

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    This auto brewery syndrome has been discussed and I get why. But there was an empty bottle of vodka in her possession. She drank herself until she became severely impaired. Vomiting, turning the wrong way and likely she was passed out at the time of that crash. Nic

    This auto brewery syndrome has been discussed and I get why. But there was an empty bottle of vodka in her possession. She drank herself until she became severely impaired. Vomiting, turning the wrong way and likely she was passed out at the time of that crash.
    Nic

  • Donna

    Donna Alabama

    When I first heard about this story, my heart went out to this husband and family that was obviously in deep denial. Then I discovered that Diane had been having dental issues and it reminded me of a month in my life that was the most miserable to date. I had a major toothache and it was the most painful experience I have encountered. It was odd because it was sooo painful, driving me to tears then I’d fall asleep and upon waking it was fine. This is what prompted me to say “oh good, since I’m way too busy this week I will just deal with it since it isn’t constant until next week” The busy never stopped and I kept pushing through , telling myself I would go later. Problem was it would start hurting at different times and began lasting longer. Ibuprofen helped it at first but then it t stopped. That was when a coworker mentioned that he always swished with whiskey when he had a toothache. By that point I was desperate and willing to try anything to get through until my dentist appointment so I bought some whiskey. I was not a drinker and still don’t drink but I was going through a bottle of whiskey daily. I’d wake up the next day and be confused because I had not realized that I had used the entire bottle. I ended up getting the tooth pulled but learned during that experience that when the pain is that great, it is possible to over drink without realizing it because your goal is to stop the pain and you don’t stop until it stops. I am not saying this is what happened to Diane but I could see her thinking about taking a shot to kill the pain and not realizing the extent to how much she was actually drinking. Now, as far as the pot goes. That I have no opinion on. She had to get it from somewhere and unless you are a user you don’t know where to find it.

    When I first heard about this story, my heart went out to this husband and family that was obviously in deep denial. Then I discovered that Diane had been having dental issues and it reminded me of a month in my life that was the most miserable to date. I had a major toothache and it was the most painful experience I have encountered. It was odd because it was sooo painful, driving me to tears then I’d fall asleep and upon waking it was fine. This is what prompted me to say “oh good, since I’m way too busy this week I will just deal with it since it isn’t constant until next week” The busy never stopped and I kept pushing through , telling myself I would go later.
    Problem was it would start hurting at different times and began lasting longer. Ibuprofen helped it at first but then it t stopped. That was when a coworker mentioned that he always swished with whiskey when he had a toothache. By that point I was desperate and willing to try anything to get through until my dentist appointment so I bought some whiskey. I was not a drinker and still don’t drink but I was going through a bottle of whiskey daily. I’d wake up the next day and be confused because I had not realized that I had used the entire bottle. I ended up getting the tooth pulled but learned during that experience that when the pain is that great, it is possible to over drink without realizing it because your goal is to stop the pain and you don’t stop until it stops. I am not saying this is what happened to Diane but I could see her thinking about taking a shot to kill the pain and not realizing the extent to how much she was actually drinking. Now, as far as the pot goes. That I have no opinion on. She had to get it from somewhere and unless you are a user you don’t know where to find it.

  • Trixie

    Trixie Albany, Ny

    I have 3 questions about this event: 1. She called her nieces' mother to say they were running late due to traffic. Did anyone check traffic conditions that day? Was that true, or was she just stopping frequently? 2. Did she brake at all before the crash? I only saw one news story that said she didn't. 3. Her husband claimed she transported this vodka bottle back and forth because she was "frugal". He also told stories of her impulsively purchasing a Jeep and A Big Screen TV. Did anyone question this? I live about 1.5 hours north of where she left and travel the same route often. It should have taken her 2.5 to 3 hours complete to get to West Babylon, depending on traffic. She also put her phone down after crossing the Tappan Zee bridge and headed in a different course than the one she was accustomed to taking. She knew she screwed up and tried to run in her altered state. 4.

    I have 3 questions about this event:
    1. She called her nieces' mother to say they were running late due to traffic. Did anyone check traffic conditions that day? Was that true, or was she just stopping frequently?
    2. Did she brake at all before the crash? I only saw one news story that said she didn't.
    3. Her husband claimed she transported this vodka bottle back and forth because she was "frugal". He also told stories of her impulsively purchasing a Jeep and A Big Screen TV. Did anyone question this?

    I live about 1.5 hours north of where she left and travel the same route often. It should have taken her 2.5 to 3 hours complete to get to West Babylon, depending on traffic. She also put her phone down after crossing the Tappan Zee bridge and headed in a different course than the one she was accustomed to taking. She knew she screwed up and tried to run in her altered state.

    4.

  • Erin

    Erin Missouri

    This story is so very sad and my heart goes out to all the friends and familys involved. At the end of the day tho, facts are facts. Regardless of pain she was feeling from a tooth, stress or any other possible scenario, she still had alcohol and THC present in her system. Putting those two substances in her body was poor judgement on her part and ultimately caused this tragedy. She had other options and chose the worst possible one. It's sad and unsettling but still what she chose.

    This story is so very sad and my heart goes out to all the friends and familys involved. At the end of the day tho, facts are facts. Regardless of pain she was feeling from a tooth, stress or any other possible scenario, she still had alcohol and THC present in her system. Putting those two substances in her body was poor judgement on her part and ultimately caused this tragedy. She had other options and chose the worst possible one. It's sad and unsettling but still what she chose.

  • Joyce

    Joyce New JErsey

    Some of the comments here are made by people who OBVIOUSLy have not studied the case. I watched the documentary 20 times. I've also read other books written on the subject. It's a mystery we will NEVER solve: Did Diane mean to drink or did she not mean to drink? Did she mean to kill herself? What did she &amp; her brother say to each other when they spoke together for about 9 minutes? Diane's mom deserted the family when Diane was 9. Maybe Diane was abused at home, maybe by her brothers! Who knows? We will never truly know because Diane is DEAD. I friended Jay Schuler (Diane's sis in law) on FB and Jay couldn't tell me more about the case. Probably told to keep quiet. I'm sure the family DOES know more but don't say anything. Danny Schuler was obviously a lazy fat dumbo!

    Some of the comments here are made by people who OBVIOUSLy have not studied the case. I watched the documentary 20 times. I've also read other books written on the subject. It's a mystery we will NEVER solve: Did Diane mean to drink or did she not mean to drink? Did she mean to kill herself? What did she & her brother say to each other when they spoke together for about 9 minutes? Diane's mom deserted the family when Diane was 9. Maybe Diane was abused at home, maybe by her brothers! Who knows? We will never truly know because Diane is DEAD. I friended Jay Schuler (Diane's sis in law) on FB and Jay couldn't tell me more about the case. Probably told to keep quiet. I'm sure the family DOES know more but don't say anything. Danny Schuler was obviously a lazy fat dumbo!

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