Dorothy Jane Scott ////// 35 

Dorothy Jane Scott ////// 35 

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Dorothy Jane Scott was a beautiful, professional, single mom in her early thirties. She was pretty boring according to friends, she went to work and stayed home taking care of her son. Then one day the phone calls started. Scary phone calls. The caller said he was watching her and he was going to get her and cut her up into little pieces. Then late one night Dorothy is abducted from a hospital parking lot. This week Nic & the Captain discuss the strange case of Dorothy and the caller. 

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28 comments

  • Karate

    Karate Austin, Texas

    Oh Captain, my captain- I like the cut of your fired up (maybe a touch more beered up than the usual?) jib! Interesting case. Dynamite content, but damn I am in love with this version of a contrarian, knowledge dropping, show-stopping Captain! (The emphatic "Just because he has a job doesn't mean he's not a loser!" Cracked-me-the-fuck-up.) Whether morphing into champion was a calculated move, or half of our True Crime Garage Duo just ended up a little tipsy and ended up talking about dying hair at the end of the episode- the new dynamic made this one a fun listen. PS Nic, keep bringing the facts. Do what you do, love. Great work keeping things moving and getting these stories out there.

    Oh Captain, my captain- I like the cut of your fired up (maybe a touch more beered up than the usual?) jib!

    Interesting case. Dynamite content, but damn I am in love with this version of a contrarian, knowledge dropping, show-stopping Captain! (The emphatic "Just because he has a job doesn't mean he's not a loser!" Cracked-me-the-fuck-up.) Whether morphing into champion was a calculated move, or half of our True Crime Garage Duo just ended up a little tipsy and ended up talking about dying hair at the end of the episode- the new dynamic made this one a fun listen.

    PS Nic, keep bringing the facts. Do what you do, love. Great work keeping things moving and getting these stories out there.

  • Kristen P

    Kristen P Toronto, Canada

    Is it possible that the voice on the phone belonged to a friend, colleague, or acquaintance of Dorothy's father? The mother and Dorothy had claimed the voice sounded familiar, but perhaps they had only met him very briefly. The father was hung up on the only time he picked up the phone which makes it seem likely that the killer did not want his voice recognized. Perhaps he was a colleague or friend that became obsessed with her from afar, so much so to stalk and kill her.

    Is it possible that the voice on the phone belonged to a friend, colleague, or acquaintance of Dorothy's father? The mother and Dorothy had claimed the voice sounded familiar, but perhaps they had only met him very briefly. The father was hung up on the only time he picked up the phone which makes it seem likely that the killer did not want his voice recognized. Perhaps he was a colleague or friend that became obsessed with her from afar, so much so to stalk and kill her.

  • shhhhhhhh12

    shhhhhhhh12 lA

    Captain- i dont know if youre just drunk, a bumbling idiot, do close to zero homework on these cases, or all 3. but dude clearly needs to do his job better. you sound stupid and do nothing but confuse the listener. Nick- youre awesome and do such a good job each podcast. your facts and knowledge are always well researched, so thank you! keep it up.

    Captain- i dont know if youre just drunk, a bumbling idiot, do close to zero homework on these cases, or all 3. but dude clearly needs to do his job better. you sound stupid and do nothing but confuse the listener.
    Nick- youre awesome and do such a good job each podcast. your facts and knowledge are always well researched, so thank you! keep it up.

  • Tim

    Tim Chino Hills, Ca

    Guys, Amazing episode this week. The production quality is awesome. As far as the episode it hit very close to home. In 1980, I lived on the 2100 block of Larkspur Drive in the city of Orange. This is roughly 1.5 miles from the UCI Medical Center. While I was in 6th or 7th grade at the time, so I would not have been paying attention to such things, there is a few interesting things I would like to share. I believe UCI Medical Center is actually in the city of Orange, so it is interesting that Orange PD was not the lead organization as the crime appears to have occurred in their city. UCI Medical Center sits on a corner across the street from a shopping center with a high rise building. The street it is on is roughly 1 mile from the Anaheim Stadium, where at the time the Angel’s and Ram’s played. However, also at the time, direct access to the stadium from that street was broken by the Interstate 5 freeway until sometime after 1980 a bridge was constructed. Later that bridge was reconstructed in a major reorganization of that area. Behind the Medical Center was a set of railroad tracks running Northwest to Southeast. A few hundred yards further east is the Santa Ana River. Next to the Medical Center to the South were some non-described county and business offices and businesses followed by a county detention center, known today as the Theo Lacy Facility, and the Orange County Animal Control. Although I have read some reports indicating the car was dumped 10 miles from the Medical Center, its actually less than 5 miles from there in the city of Santa Ana. I will mention a little bit more on this later. The Santa Ana Canyon where the road with that name runs (and Scott’s remains were found) is deceptively named as it is not near Santa Ana. In 1980, pretty much three things ran through the Santa Ana Canyon. The 91 Freeways, which was 4 lanes at the time, but is now one of the most traveled freeways in the country. Train tracks that connect Orange County with Riverside and San Bernardino Counties. And the Santa Ana River. Although today that area is called Anaheim Hills which is a very affluent area, back then it was the beginning of semi-rural areas between Orange County and Riverside. In other words, it is just outside of what would be the greater metropolitan area of Orange. The Santa Ana River is not what most would know as a traditional river and it is not a concrete river like might be seen in a movie about Los Angeles. It has man made walls about 10 feet high, which is essentially stacks of boulders with a cement base then a sandy basin. There is usually only water in the Santa Ana River after it rains or during the spring thaw of the mountains. On top of the banks of the Santa Ana River in most parts of it there is a paved bike paths. Looking at the Schneider case as a person who have lived in Orange County or the Inland Empire all my life, I knew the location of Indian Hills, because of the Golf Course by that name. However, I was unaware of where Pedley was knowing only that a road by that name crossed the 60 freeway. When I Googled it, it turns out that Pedley, like Indian Hills, is a zip code in the unincorporated part of Riverside county on the edge of the city of Riverside. And in that particular area there is only one distinguished thing I could think of. It is where the Riverside County Animal Control is located. It used to be on a small street off the beating track, but about ten years ago they moved it about a quarter of a mile to Van Buren Ave where it crosses the Santa Ana River. Interestingly the Circle K, she was last seen at, is less than two miles from the old Animal Control Facility and the car dump site is about a mile in the other direction. Its close, very close. See the distance between the Riverside Animal Control Facility and Car Dump site here: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/6552+Doolittle+Ave,+Riverside,+CA+92503/5950+Wilderness+Ave,+Riverside,+CA+92504/@33.955605,-117.4626799,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x80dcb134c4f829a9:0x81858682351399e!2m2!1d-117.4550203!2d33.9500229!1m5!1m1!1s0x80dcb14f04d9e839:0xa9411eff6cc2cab!2m2!1d-117.4463202!2d33.9621141!3e2 Old Riverside Animal Control Latitude 33°57'42.30"N Longitude 117°26'49.15"W 5950 Wilderness Ave Riverside, CA 92504 Where I believe the Circle K Schneider was Last Seen Latitude 33°58'33.01"N Longitude 117°28'38.44"W 8899 Limonite Ave Riverside, CA 92509 General Location Car Found by Cross Streets Latitude 33°56'57.34"N Longitude 117°27'15.74"W 6552 Doolittle Ave Riverside, CA 92503 When looking at the two cases together, the tie in of the Animal Control Shelters could actually mean something. Considering that a dog’s remains were found on top of Scott’s remains, I could image the perpetrator while at work going off route to visit his victims remains and throwing a dog that died in his custody or that he killed on top of the body. The idea that a person could work for two different county Animal Control agencies 40 miles apart seems reasonable to me. But it could just have been an odd coincidence like the Santa Ana River connection. However, regarding Scott’s car which was dumped in an alley right next to a storm drain channel that fed into the Santa Ana River. Although it would require traveling through underground tunnels at points, the path back to the Medical Center would have been shortened by following the storm drain channel to the Santa Ana River. I also don’t think it can be overlooked that the Medical Center was so close to a jail for obvious reasons. The problem with these alternative theories is that it requires separating the stalking and crank calls from the abduction and murder. The reason I say this is because of the geographic spread of the locations. Stanton where she lived and the Headshop where she worked, were significant cross town distances from the Medical Center and in the opposite direction of the body dump. It would make little to no sense that an Animal Control officer was the stalker and then abducted her near his facility. For the stalker to be the perpetrator, it makes more sense that someone near her work or home followed her, took her from the Medical Center, dumped her car, and then walked back to his car. She of course would have either been taken to his home or straight to the location the remains were found depending on how long she was left alive after the abduction. However, I could see a stalker taking pleasure in tormenting a woman with crank calls and then continuing to get amusement from doing it to her mother and the media after her disappearance even though he did not abduct her. Whatever the case, I think the Animal Shelter and jail connections should be considered by those investigating the case. There is additionally one other thing I remember from that time, that should also be mentioned. Although as a youth, I was not paying attention to the abduction of a young woman, I was being warned to watch out for a black van that was operating in the area. William Bonin, known as the Freeway Killer, was very active in this area at the time. The following it an excerpt from his Wikipedia page: Nine days after the murder of Sean King, Bonin invited an 18-year-old homeless drifter named James Michael Munro to move into the apartment he by this stage shared with his mother. Munro had been evicted from his family's home in his native Michigan in early 1980 and had been living rough on the streets of Hollywood for several weeks. As such, Munro readily accepted Bonin's accommodation offer. As had earlier been the case with Gregory Miley, Munro—a bisexual who preferred sexual relations with females—also began a consensual sexual relationship with Bonin. He also accepted a subsequent offer of employment at the Montebello delivery firm where Bonin worked. Munro would later describe his initial impression of Bonin as being "a good guy; really normal",[106] although on the evening of June 1, Bonin abruptly informed Munro he wanted the two of them to abduct, rape, and kill a teenage hitchhiker One has to wonder if this date was not moved to conceal an additional murder. Not only is one of Bonin’s accomplices known to prefer women, Bonin took victims multiple times from Garden Grove the city south of Anaheim that is between Orange and Stanton, which is another city Bonin took a victim from. I don’t necessarily think that Bonin and his accomplices were involved in the Scott case, but I believe it has to be considered because he was active in all the areas involved during the time of the case and known to leave remains in areas like the one Scott was found. And at that exact time, Bonin was grooming Munro as a new accomplice. The remains of the dog with Scott’s remains tends to discount this theory, but it is possible that Bonin had Munro kill a dog as a precursor to an abduction. Bonin was capture within two weeks of Scott’s disappearance. I Figure it is at least worth considering. I would be curious to hear Nic and Captain's thoughts on these things as well as those of others investigating the case. Stay Golden. Tim

    Guys,
    Amazing episode this week. The production quality is awesome.
    As far as the episode it hit very close to home. In 1980, I lived on the 2100 block of Larkspur Drive in the city of Orange. This is roughly 1.5 miles from the UCI Medical Center. While I was in 6th or 7th grade at the time, so I would not have been paying attention to such things, there is a few interesting things I would like to share.
    I believe UCI Medical Center is actually in the city of Orange, so it is interesting that Orange PD was not the lead organization as the crime appears to have occurred in their city.
    UCI Medical Center sits on a corner across the street from a shopping center with a high rise building. The street it is on is roughly 1 mile from the Anaheim Stadium, where at the time the Angel’s and Ram’s played. However, also at the time, direct access to the stadium from that street was broken by the Interstate 5 freeway until sometime after 1980 a bridge was constructed. Later that bridge was reconstructed in a major reorganization of that area. Behind the Medical Center was a set of railroad tracks running Northwest to Southeast. A few hundred yards further east is the Santa Ana River. Next to the Medical Center to the South were some non-described county and business offices and businesses followed by a county detention center, known today as the Theo Lacy Facility, and the Orange County Animal Control.
    Although I have read some reports indicating the car was dumped 10 miles from the Medical Center, its actually less than 5 miles from there in the city of Santa Ana. I will mention a little bit more on this later.
    The Santa Ana Canyon where the road with that name runs (and Scott’s remains were found) is deceptively named as it is not near Santa Ana. In 1980, pretty much three things ran through the Santa Ana Canyon. The 91 Freeways, which was 4 lanes at the time, but is now one of the most traveled freeways in the country. Train tracks that connect Orange County with Riverside and San Bernardino Counties. And the Santa Ana River. Although today that area is called Anaheim Hills which is a very affluent area, back then it was the beginning of semi-rural areas between Orange County and Riverside. In other words, it is just outside of what would be the greater metropolitan area of Orange.
    The Santa Ana River is not what most would know as a traditional river and it is not a concrete river like might be seen in a movie about Los Angeles. It has man made walls about 10 feet high, which is essentially stacks of boulders with a cement base then a sandy basin. There is usually only water in the Santa Ana River after it rains or during the spring thaw of the mountains. On top of the banks of the Santa Ana River in most parts of it there is a paved bike paths.
    Looking at the Schneider case as a person who have lived in Orange County or the Inland Empire all my life, I knew the location of Indian Hills, because of the Golf Course by that name. However, I was unaware of where Pedley was knowing only that a road by that name crossed the 60 freeway. When I Googled it, it turns out that Pedley, like Indian Hills, is a zip code in the unincorporated part of Riverside county on the edge of the city of Riverside. And in that particular area there is only one distinguished thing I could think of. It is where the Riverside County Animal Control is located. It used to be on a small street off the beating track, but about ten years ago they moved it about a quarter of a mile to Van Buren Ave where it crosses the Santa Ana River. Interestingly the Circle K, she was last seen at, is less than two miles from the old Animal Control Facility and the car dump site is about a mile in the other direction. Its close, very close.

    See the distance between the Riverside Animal Control Facility and Car Dump site here:
    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/6552+Doolittle+Ave,+Riverside,+CA+92503/5950+Wilderness+Ave,+Riverside,+CA+92504/@33.955605,-117.4626799,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x80dcb134c4f829a9:0x81858682351399e!2m2!1d-117.4550203!2d33.9500229!1m5!1m1!1s0x80dcb14f04d9e839:0xa9411eff6cc2cab!2m2!1d-117.4463202!2d33.9621141!3e2

    Old Riverside Animal Control Latitude 33°57'42.30"N Longitude 117°26'49.15"W
    5950 Wilderness Ave
    Riverside, CA 92504

    Where I believe the Circle K Schneider was Last Seen Latitude 33°58'33.01"N Longitude 117°28'38.44"W
    8899 Limonite Ave
    Riverside, CA 92509

    General Location Car Found by Cross Streets Latitude 33°56'57.34"N Longitude 117°27'15.74"W
    6552 Doolittle Ave
    Riverside, CA 92503

    When looking at the two cases together, the tie in of the Animal Control Shelters could actually mean something. Considering that a dog’s remains were found on top of Scott’s remains, I could image the perpetrator while at work going off route to visit his victims remains and throwing a dog that died in his custody or that he killed on top of the body. The idea that a person could work for two different county Animal Control agencies 40 miles apart seems reasonable to me.

    But it could just have been an odd coincidence like the Santa Ana River connection. However, regarding Scott’s car which was dumped in an alley right next to a storm drain channel that fed into the Santa Ana River. Although it would require traveling through underground tunnels at points, the path back to the Medical Center would have been shortened by following the storm drain channel to the Santa Ana River.

    I also don’t think it can be overlooked that the Medical Center was so close to a jail for obvious reasons.
    The problem with these alternative theories is that it requires separating the stalking and crank calls from the abduction and murder. The reason I say this is because of the geographic spread of the locations. Stanton where she lived and the Headshop where she worked, were significant cross town distances from the Medical Center and in the opposite direction of the body dump. It would make little to no sense that an Animal Control officer was the stalker and then abducted her near his facility. For the stalker to be the perpetrator, it makes more sense that someone near her work or home followed her, took her from the Medical Center, dumped her car, and then walked back to his car. She of course would have either been taken to his home or straight to the location the remains were found depending on how long she was left alive after the abduction. However, I could see a stalker taking pleasure in tormenting a woman with crank calls and then continuing to get amusement from doing it to her mother and the media after her disappearance even though he did not abduct her.

    Whatever the case, I think the Animal Shelter and jail connections should be considered by those investigating the case.

    There is additionally one other thing I remember from that time, that should also be mentioned. Although as a youth, I was not paying attention to the abduction of a young woman, I was being warned to watch out for a black van that was operating in the area. William Bonin, known as the Freeway Killer, was very active in this area at the time.

    The following it an excerpt from his Wikipedia page:

    Nine days after the murder of Sean King, Bonin invited an 18-year-old homeless drifter named James Michael Munro to move into the apartment he by this stage shared with his mother. Munro had been evicted from his family's home in his native Michigan in early 1980 and had been living rough on the streets of Hollywood for several weeks. As such, Munro readily accepted Bonin's accommodation offer. As had earlier been the case with Gregory Miley, Munro—a bisexual who preferred sexual relations with females—also began a consensual sexual relationship with Bonin. He also accepted a subsequent offer of employment at the Montebello delivery firm where Bonin worked. Munro would later describe his initial impression of Bonin as being "a good guy; really normal",[106] although on the evening of June 1, Bonin abruptly informed Munro he wanted the two of them to abduct, rape, and kill a teenage hitchhiker
    One has to wonder if this date was not moved to conceal an additional murder. Not only is one of Bonin’s accomplices known to prefer women, Bonin took victims multiple times from Garden Grove the city south of Anaheim that is between Orange and Stanton, which is another city Bonin took a victim from.

    I don’t necessarily think that Bonin and his accomplices were involved in the Scott case, but I believe it has to be considered because he was active in all the areas involved during the time of the case and known to leave remains in areas like the one Scott was found. And at that exact time, Bonin was grooming Munro as a new accomplice. The remains of the dog with Scott’s remains tends to discount this theory, but it is possible that Bonin had Munro kill a dog as a precursor to an abduction. Bonin was capture within two weeks of Scott’s disappearance.

    I Figure it is at least worth considering.

    I would be curious to hear Nic and Captain's thoughts on these things as well as those of others investigating the case.

    Stay Golden.

    Tim

  • Redfisher

    Redfisher Palmerston on.

    Another great podcast guys... Now if only Dan on true crime had half the editing and sound quality that you guys have...lol

    Another great podcast guys... Now if only Dan on true crime had half the editing and sound quality that you guys have...lol

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Maybe we will produce his show one day

    Maybe we will produce his show one day

  • LoveTrueCrime

    LoveTrueCrime Somewherein, IA

    OMG!!! Please keep comments to minimum Captain!! I love the content of your podcasts, but spend way too much time yelling out loud in frustration for the Captain to just shut up already. It is exhausting to listen to your shows when "the Captain" interrupts so often with his completely DUMB comments and ideas!! You don't need a side kick Nick!! You are great to listen to and have obviously researched your presentation. By the way, I have never sent a comment to a show or podcast before now. That's how annoying it is to listen to your slow witted Captain. Those of us that listen want to be entertained, not get more of what we put up with at our jobs and lives from the idiots we encounter daily.

    OMG!!! Please keep comments to minimum Captain!! I love the content of your podcasts, but spend way too much time yelling out loud in frustration for the Captain to just shut up already. It is exhausting to listen to your shows when "the Captain" interrupts so often with his completely DUMB comments and ideas!!

    You don't need a side kick Nick!! You are great to listen to and have obviously researched your presentation.

    By the way, I have never sent a comment to a show or podcast before now. That's how annoying it is to listen to your slow witted Captain. Those of us that listen want to be entertained, not get more of what we put up with at our jobs and lives from the idiots we encounter daily.

  • Tygre

    Tygre Jackson

    Whoa, whoa, WHOA! PEOPLE! What's with all the hating on the Captain? Look, it's a show, OK? They can't both have the same personality and the same riff on everything. They are themselves, but also characters in this podcast ("on-air personalities"); how can anyone not understand that? Like a great football-calling team, Nic is the play-by-play man (Al Michaels) and the Captain is the color commentator (John Madden). And when they do The Bickersons routine, that is part of the fun. Except for people who don't know how to have fun. And, by the way, Tim from Chino Hills: you rock.

    Whoa, whoa, WHOA! PEOPLE! What's with all the hating on the Captain? Look, it's a show, OK? They can't both have the same personality and the same riff on everything. They are themselves, but also characters in this podcast ("on-air personalities"); how can anyone not understand that? Like a great football-calling team, Nic is the play-by-play man (Al Michaels) and the Captain is the color commentator (John Madden). And when they do The Bickersons routine, that is part of the fun. Except for people who don't know how to have fun. And, by the way, Tim from Chino Hills: you rock.

  • Freya

    Freya Toronto, Canada

    Hey True Crime Garage! I've been listening to a lot of your podcast lately and a few days ago, I came across this episode. The whole incident with a dog body having been found on top of the woman's remains was something that also stuck out to me, like it did to you two. Anyways, I was browsing the internet today and came across some meme from tumblr that says, "If you murder someone, bury the victim 6-10 feet underneath a dead dog. Body-sniffing hounds will dig up the dead dog and police will think it's a false positive." From what I recall, it didn't seem like there were several feet between the woman's body and the dead dog, but I figured it was something worth pointing out!

    Hey True Crime Garage!
    I've been listening to a lot of your podcast lately and a few days ago, I came across this episode. The whole incident with a dog body having been found on top of the woman's remains was something that also stuck out to me, like it did to you two. Anyways, I was browsing the internet today and came across some meme from tumblr that says, "If you murder someone, bury the victim 6-10 feet underneath a dead dog. Body-sniffing hounds will dig up the dead dog and police will think it's a false positive."
    From what I recall, it didn't seem like there were several feet between the woman's body and the dead dog, but I figured it was something worth pointing out!

  • Maverick and Duke's dad.

    Maverick and Duke's dad. Alberta, Canada

    Good day, I want to start by saying i'm a LEO and born in 82 so it couldn't be me. But I do believe that the person who committed the crime might possible be a police officer. First she works at a weed shop, so they are going to cross paths. He might have liked her or became obsessed with her after meeting her on a drug raid. Dorothy would recognize the voice but be unable to place it because they had only met a couple of times. As an officer he would have knowledge of wire taping and how long he had to remain on the line for the call to be traced. Also he could be using the "prank calls" as time on the phone to gather info, ex. Dorothy's mom saying something like 'why did you burn the car' or what was with the dog bones. So the offender knows what the police have told her. Officers have a need and desire for information, maybe thats why he kept calling. I don't know what Dorothy's father did but maybe he had a tie to the police, and thats why the caller always hung up, when the father answered for fear that he knew the voice. Or he was masterbaiting to the mothers voice (partially be able to relieve what he did to the daughter) and the father didn't do it for him. The car could have been burned because the offender understood finger prints / carpet fibers and that it would be a good lead to find the bad guy. As you both stated a burning vehicle is a big deal and spectacle. Which makes me believe he either had a person waiting close by to drive him away or he had his own vehicle parked near by so that he was not around when people would be drawn to the car. And last but not least, I do not believe he followed her. To many random things happened that day and for the offender to stick with the target (Dorothy) he would have drawn attention to himself because there would have been to many exits and turns that even an untrained eye would have become suspicious. As a LEO i know that other than the police station that the hospital is the place we spend the most time at, so he was likely there on a call (sexual assault, victim of domestic abuse, removing unruly patient) saw her and knew he had a great chance. He could say come with me to my car or even her car we are investigating the weed shop and she wouldn't have any alarm bells go off. Last and not least, I believe the dog bones were placed on top for the main reason of someone who started to feel guilty or that the police were getting to close so he places the bones down and hopes that whoever finds them assumes its a dead animal not a human. The offender likely loved both Dorothy and the Dog, and as time passed may have felt guilt about Dorothy's death and wanted her to have company. I would also venture to guess that the killer will have lots of clippings of the case, may have attended any funeral after the family eventually declared her dead. RIP Dorothy

    Good day, I want to start by saying i'm a LEO and born in 82 so it couldn't be me. But I do believe that the person who committed the crime might possible be a police officer. First she works at a weed shop, so they are going to cross paths. He might have liked her or became obsessed with her after meeting her on a drug raid. Dorothy would recognize the voice but be unable to place it because they had only met a couple of times. As an officer he would have knowledge of wire taping and how long he had to remain on the line for the call to be traced. Also he could be using the "prank calls" as time on the phone to gather info, ex. Dorothy's mom saying something like 'why did you burn the car' or what was with the dog bones. So the offender knows what the police have told her. Officers have a need and desire for information, maybe thats why he kept calling. I don't know what Dorothy's father did but maybe he had a tie to the police, and thats why the caller always hung up, when the father answered for fear that he knew the voice. Or he was masterbaiting to the mothers voice (partially be able to relieve what he did to the daughter) and the father didn't do it for him. The car could have been burned because the offender understood finger prints / carpet fibers and that it would be a good lead to find the bad guy. As you both stated a burning vehicle is a big deal and spectacle. Which makes me believe he either had a person waiting close by to drive him away or he had his own vehicle parked near by so that he was not around when people would be drawn to the car. And last but not least, I do not believe he followed her. To many random things happened that day and for the offender to stick with the target (Dorothy) he would have drawn attention to himself because there would have been to many exits and turns that even an untrained eye would have become suspicious. As a LEO i know that other than the police station that the hospital is the place we spend the most time at, so he was likely there on a call (sexual assault, victim of domestic abuse, removing unruly patient) saw her and knew he had a great chance. He could say come with me to my car or even her car we are investigating the weed shop and she wouldn't have any alarm bells go off. Last and not least, I believe the dog bones were placed on top for the main reason of someone who started to feel guilty or that the police were getting to close so he places the bones down and hopes that whoever finds them assumes its a dead animal not a human. The offender likely loved both Dorothy and the Dog, and as time passed may have felt guilt about Dorothy's death and wanted her to have company. I would also venture to guess that the killer will have lots of clippings of the case, may have attended any funeral after the family eventually declared her dead.
    RIP Dorothy

  • Janey

    Janey

    I would marry the Captain just to have his voice in my ear daily. Haters gon' hate. Don't change a thing!

    I would marry the Captain just to have his voice in my ear daily. Haters gon' hate. Don't change a thing!

  • Matt

    Matt OKC

    How do I listen to this episode? Won't let me buy in iTunes.

    How do I listen to this episode? Won't let me buy in iTunes.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Which episode

    Which episode

  • SB

    SB

    A few thoughts, Firstly, Captain was getting all worked up over the headlights being turned off, he thought this to be "odd." I could not disagree more. If the driver was with the kidnapper, in her car, while she drove, she might turn off her lights as a way to attract police. It is not uncommon to be pulled over for not having your headlights on. I believe Dorthy could have did this to attract the attention of Law Enforcement. Secondly, I thought the fact she stopped at home, while tending to a co-worker, whom she was "rushing" to the hospital was very odd behavior. The child was with her parents, not some random babysitter. The idea the child would not be ok there a few more hours, thus requiring her to stop in, seem illogical to me. Are her parents just going to dump the kid in the street? Of course not. Moreover, Dorthy was on her way to the hospital. This guy was in such bad condition, it required two co-workers to tend to him, so the idea they needed to stop is very odd. To me, I interpreted this last stop to be Dorthy's goodbye to her child. I think we seriously need to examine the possibility that Dorthy purposely left with someone promising her a better life, and this whole phone thing was a ruse. Sadly, for Dorthy, this person proved to be dangerous. However, like the situation with "Hank," the other case you referenced, it did seem the victim was in contact with him, according to her journals, and the "phone calls" were nothing but dead ends. Perhaps Dorthy said he last good byes, contacted this man, she believed to be her protector, without ever realizing he was actually her stalker.

    A few thoughts,

    Firstly, Captain was getting all worked up over the headlights being turned off, he thought this to be "odd." I could not disagree more. If the driver was with the kidnapper, in her car, while she drove, she might turn off her lights as a way to attract police. It is not uncommon to be pulled over for not having your headlights on. I believe Dorthy could have did this to attract the attention of Law Enforcement.

    Secondly, I thought the fact she stopped at home, while tending to a co-worker, whom she was "rushing" to the hospital was very odd behavior. The child was with her parents, not some random babysitter. The idea the child would not be ok there a few more hours, thus requiring her to stop in, seem illogical to me. Are her parents just going to dump the kid in the street? Of course not. Moreover, Dorthy was on her way to the hospital. This guy was in such bad condition, it required two co-workers to tend to him, so the idea they needed to stop is very odd. To me, I interpreted this last stop to be Dorthy's goodbye to her child.

    I think we seriously need to examine the possibility that Dorthy purposely left with someone promising her a better life, and this whole phone thing was a ruse. Sadly, for Dorthy, this person proved to be dangerous. However, like the situation with "Hank," the other case you referenced, it did seem the victim was in contact with him, according to her journals, and the "phone calls" were nothing but dead ends. Perhaps Dorthy said he last good byes, contacted this man, she believed to be her protector, without ever realizing he was actually her stalker.

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    SB That is a really good thought. Keep the lights off to draw attention to her car. Thanks for sharing that. Captain

    SB
    That is a really good thought. Keep the lights off to draw attention to her car. Thanks for sharing that.
    Captain

  • Jorge

    Jorge Zürich/Switzerland

    Hi guys, I've just recently discovered your show and I love it. Keep up the great work. Just a quick thought on the the call that the father picks up and the caller immediately hangs up on him. It has been posted before, but it's exactly what came to mind first and it is another option: the caller was afraid that the father might recognize his voice. When I was a teen, back in the 80's, I had a girlfriend whose mother liked me. The dad, not so much. So a few times when I would call and he'd pick up, I would just slam the receiver back on the cradle. Just a thought. Take care...

    Hi guys, I've just recently discovered your show and I love it. Keep up the great work.

    Just a quick thought on the the call that the father picks up and the caller immediately hangs up on him. It has been posted before, but it's exactly what came to mind first and it is another option: the caller was afraid that the father might recognize his voice. When I was a teen, back in the 80's, I had a girlfriend whose mother liked me. The dad, not so much. So a few times when I would call and he'd pick up, I would just slam the receiver back on the cradle. Just a thought.

    Take care...

  • Tim

    Tim Chino Hills, Ca

    I would have to consider death row inmate Martin Kipp as an excellent suspect in the Dorothy Scott kidnapping and murder. On June 7, 1980, about a week after Scott’s disappearance, a teenage girl was kidnapped and raped in Orange. The 15 year old girl was released after the attack. Although no information was given regarding where or how she was released, she was taken from near Collins and Glassell, which is roughly 2 miles east of the UCI medical center Scott was last seen at. A sketch of the suspect in this rape can be seen on this tweet. https://twitter.com/1Tim6_1/status/756876108847382528 Although I have not found specific information related to the victim, later in 1980 Kipp was arrested for a rape and sentenced to 3 years, which he severed 19 months. Within a few months of being out of prison, Kipp was arrested for the rape and murder of two women. One of the women, Antanyan Howard, was strangled and her remains were found in her car in an alley off of Edinger Ave. Besides the fact that Scott’s car was also found in an alley near Edinger Ave. (about 6 miles apart) Both allies are near storm drains channels. The one where Howard’s remains were found was about 1.5 miles from a residents Kipp was known to occasionally stay at. While Kipp looking like the sketch of a rapist in Orange, does not connect him to Scott’s disappearance, in my mind it makes him a very interesting suspect. Regarding the Patricia Schneider connection, I previously posted a theory regarding the location of Schneider and Scott’s abductions and their locations related to the animal control shelter’s in Orange and Riverside. Interestingly, enough a couple of years ago a human skull was found by a transient. It was in the Santa Ana River near a park is a couple of blocks from the old Riverside animal control. The article can be found here. http://m.pe.com/articles/-745936--.html Honestly, I don’t believe that Schneider’s remains if left there could have remained in the river bed for all of these years. In the 90’s there was a number of years with a lot of flooding, I would suspect that most everything in the river bed before then would have been washed down to Prado Dam or beyond. However, this skull is in an interesting location in relation to Schneider’s disappearance, where her car was left, and the animal control shelter. However, I also discovered that Schneider’s disappearance was over shadowed by the kidnapping, rape, and murder of a 10 year old girl the day before. The girl, April Lamont, was taken near Limonite Ave. in Mira Loma. Schneider was last seen at a Circle K on Limonite Ave in the Pedley. It should be noted that a couple of years ago, Mira Loma, Pedley, and some other unincorporated areas all became the city of Jurpa Valley and these areas would now be considered the same jurisdiction. Lamont’s remains were found about 2 miles east of where Schneider disappeared, although she was last seen about 3 miles west of where Schneider was last seen. A sketch of the suspect in Lamont’s killing, which I believe is likely the same person responsible for Schneider’s disappearance can be seen on this tweet. https://twitter.com/1Tim6_1/status/756911735294930945 If Kipp was involved in the in Scott’s abduction and murder, Schneider’s disappearance would not be connected to it. And I personally don’t think there is enough evidence to rule in or out either scenario. Tim

    I would have to consider death row inmate Martin Kipp as an excellent suspect in the Dorothy Scott kidnapping and murder. On June 7, 1980, about a week after Scott’s disappearance, a teenage girl was kidnapped and raped in Orange. The 15 year old girl was released after the attack. Although no information was given regarding where or how she was released, she was taken from near Collins and Glassell, which is roughly 2 miles east of the UCI medical center Scott was last seen at.

    A sketch of the suspect in this rape can be seen on this tweet.

    https://twitter.com/1Tim6_1/status/756876108847382528

    Although I have not found specific information related to the victim, later in 1980 Kipp was arrested for a rape and sentenced to 3 years, which he severed 19 months. Within a few months of being out of prison, Kipp was arrested for the rape and murder of two women. One of the women, Antanyan Howard, was strangled and her remains were found in her car in an alley off of Edinger Ave. Besides the fact that Scott’s car was also found in an alley near Edinger Ave. (about 6 miles apart) Both allies are near storm drains channels. The one where Howard’s remains were found was about 1.5 miles from a residents Kipp was known to occasionally stay at.

    While Kipp looking like the sketch of a rapist in Orange, does not connect him to Scott’s disappearance, in my mind it makes him a very interesting suspect.

    Regarding the Patricia Schneider connection, I previously posted a theory regarding the location of Schneider and Scott’s abductions and their locations related to the animal control shelter’s in Orange and Riverside.
    Interestingly, enough a couple of years ago a human skull was found by a transient. It was in the Santa Ana River near a park is a couple of blocks from the old Riverside animal control.

    The article can be found here.

    http://m.pe.com/articles/-745936--.html

    Honestly, I don’t believe that Schneider’s remains if left there could have remained in the river bed for all of these years. In the 90’s there was a number of years with a lot of flooding, I would suspect that most everything in the river bed before then would have been washed down to Prado Dam or beyond. However, this skull is in an interesting location in relation to Schneider’s disappearance, where her car was left, and the animal control shelter.

    However, I also discovered that Schneider’s disappearance was over shadowed by the kidnapping, rape, and murder of a 10 year old girl the day before. The girl, April Lamont, was taken near Limonite Ave. in Mira Loma. Schneider was last seen at a Circle K on Limonite Ave in the Pedley. It should be noted that a couple of years ago, Mira Loma, Pedley, and some other unincorporated areas all became the city of Jurpa Valley and these areas would now be considered the same jurisdiction. Lamont’s remains were found about 2 miles east of where Schneider disappeared, although she was last seen about 3 miles west of where Schneider was last seen.

    A sketch of the suspect in Lamont’s killing, which I believe is likely the same person responsible for Schneider’s disappearance can be seen on this tweet.

    https://twitter.com/1Tim6_1/status/756911735294930945

    If Kipp was involved in the in Scott’s abduction and murder, Schneider’s disappearance would not be connected to it. And I personally don’t think there is enough evidence to rule in or out either scenario.

    Tim

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    Damn good research Tim, I think you've got something here. Thank you for posting this, very insightful and I would not have made this connection... Didn't know about Kipp Cheers, Nic

    Damn good research Tim, I think you've got something here. Thank you for posting this, very insightful and I would not have made this connection... Didn't know about Kipp

    Cheers, Nic

  • Deirdre

    Deirdre

    I just started to listen to podcasts and going through all yours this one compelled me to comment. I have heard about this case years ago and read about it on Reddit, but the details you gave made me immediately think of the Paige Birgfeld case. Lester Ralph Jones is a suspect in her murder, she was missing several years and was found by a hiker. I know it's a different state but so many things are the same...her items were strewn arpund, her car was found on fire after she disappeared, and she seemed to detest the guy who may have been a previous client because she was escorting at the time of her disappearence. I wonder if he was that man needing to fill a void.

    I just started to listen to podcasts and going through all yours this one compelled me to comment.
    I have heard about this case years ago and read about it on Reddit, but the details you gave made me immediately think of the Paige Birgfeld case. Lester Ralph Jones is a suspect in her murder, she was missing several years and was found by a hiker. I know it's a different state but so many things are the same...her items were strewn arpund, her car was found on fire after she disappeared, and she seemed to detest the guy who may have been a previous client because she was escorting at the time of her disappearence.
    I wonder if he was that man needing to fill a void.

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    Shurlock Holmes • New York Thank you and thank you for sharing

    Shurlock Holmes • New York

    Thank you and thank you for sharing

  • Dara

    Dara

    I went to school with April Lamont and 35 years later I am still haunted by thoughts of her murder. Being 12 yrs old at the time and never hearing again about if it was solved or anything has almost led me to believe it was just my imagination. There is no googling this story, this sight is all I have found even mentioning her. Reasonable to say it is unsolved.

    I went to school with April Lamont and 35 years later I am still haunted by thoughts of her murder. Being 12 yrs old at the time and never hearing again about if it was solved or anything has almost led me to believe it was just my imagination. There is no googling this story, this sight is all I have found even mentioning her. Reasonable to say it is unsolved.

  • Zoe

    Zoe Melbourne, Australia

    Hey guys Rate your show, need more episodes, do some Aussie stuff we have plenty of nutters👍 Just a thought on this case. Could it be that the caller hung up when Dorothy's father answered because this caller had some connection to her father or thought he might recognise his voice?

    Hey guys

    Rate your show, need more episodes, do some Aussie stuff we have plenty of nutters👍

    Just a thought on this case. Could it be that the caller hung up when Dorothy's father answered because this caller had some connection to her father or thought he might recognise his voice?

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    Zoe • Melbourne, Australia Cheers Mate

    Zoe • Melbourne, Australia

    Cheers Mate

  • Katsuel

    Katsuel Ky

    I think that the picture you are using for the Dorothy Scott episode is actually another missing woman, Amy Billig. Her case is very interesting and you might want to check it out. Keep up the good work!

    I think that the picture you are using for the Dorothy Scott episode is actually another missing woman, Amy Billig. Her case is very interesting and you might want to check it out. Keep up the good work!

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    Thanks Katsuel, we discussed Amy's case with the Dorothy Jane Scott case. The long term phone harassment aspects in both cases are horribly fascinating. Cheers, Nic

    Thanks Katsuel, we discussed Amy's case with the Dorothy Jane Scott case. The long term phone harassment aspects in both cases are horribly fascinating.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Megan

    Megan

    Is it possible the caller hung up on the dad because maybe he'd likely be able to recognize the voice? Just a thought.

    Is it possible the caller hung up on the dad because maybe he'd likely be able to recognize the voice? Just a thought.

  • Juliana Brockham

    Juliana Brockham Chino Hills, CA

    Fellow Chino Hills resident! Small world! Just thought I would update y’all that the Jane Doe found in 1987 has now been identified as Tracey Hobson. Don’t believe she was ever reported missing. I’ve always been fascinated with Dorothy Scott case as well as the Patricia Schneider case as I’m within 15 miles of each. Pretty crazy three beautiful women were all murdered in such a small distance and time period. Also, I remember in the podcast you mentioned the killer must have felt a void after. I imagine he went through quite a time of depression. As bizarre as it is to us, he probably mourned her as if we lose a spouse ourselves. Might be a reach, but maybe that void was filled by murdering two other women THAT WE KNOW OF. I pray and pray this one will be solved eventually because that poor son of hers has quite a nightmare to have lived with. Cheers and always grateful for both of your investigative works and wonderful commentary.

    Fellow Chino Hills resident! Small world! Just thought I would update y’all that the Jane Doe found in 1987 has now been identified as Tracey Hobson. Don’t believe she was ever reported missing. I’ve always been fascinated with Dorothy Scott case as well as the Patricia Schneider case as I’m within 15 miles of each. Pretty crazy three beautiful women were all murdered in such a small distance and time period.
    Also, I remember in the podcast you mentioned the killer must have felt a void after. I imagine he went through quite a time of depression. As bizarre as it is to us, he probably mourned her as if we lose a spouse ourselves. Might be a reach, but maybe that void was filled by murdering two other women THAT WE KNOW OF.
    I pray and pray this one will be solved eventually because that poor son of hers has quite a nightmare to have lived with.
    Cheers and always grateful for both of your investigative works and wonderful commentary.

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