Edmund Kemper /// 261 /// 262

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  • Hume Man

    Hume Man Iowa

    You guys have been asleep at the wheel lately! Further coverage on Kemper, Bundy et caetera seems kind of redundant at this point

    You guys have been asleep at the wheel lately! Further coverage on Kemper, Bundy et caetera seems kind of redundant at this point

  • Kathleen

    Kathleen Chicago

    Regarding the homicidal triad, the reason bedwetting is an important factor is because bedwetting oftentimes indicates trauma. Bedwetting can be a sign of trauma in both males and females. Trauma can include physical, emotional or sexual abuse, or witnessing domestic violence, or experiencing anything disturbing and frightening for a child. Firesetting and animal abuse are expressions of rage and sadism. Therfore the combination of these traits are sometimes seen in the early makings of a killer. It should be mentioned that early intervention can help a child to fully heal and extinguish these unwanted symptoms. I believe that love, a nurturing parent, and possibly a good therapist, teacher, coach or mentor would have transformed young Ed Kemper. Lesson learned?

    Regarding the homicidal triad, the reason bedwetting is an important factor is because bedwetting oftentimes indicates trauma. Bedwetting can be a sign of trauma in both males and females. Trauma can include physical, emotional or sexual abuse, or witnessing domestic violence, or experiencing anything disturbing and frightening for a child. Firesetting and animal abuse are expressions of rage and sadism. Therfore the combination of these traits are sometimes seen in the early makings of a killer. It should be mentioned that early intervention can help a child to fully heal and extinguish these unwanted symptoms. I believe that love, a nurturing parent, and possibly a good therapist, teacher, coach or mentor would have transformed young Ed Kemper. Lesson learned?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thanks Kathleen, Yes, I lean toward what J.Douglas felt about Kemper - that he was made rather than born evil. Douglas rarely comes to that conclusion. Yes if things and people would have been different for him early in his life, lives may have been saved. Cheers - Nic

    Thanks Kathleen,
    Yes, I lean toward what J.Douglas felt about Kemper - that he was made rather than born evil. Douglas rarely comes to that conclusion. Yes if things and people would have been different for him early in his life, lives may have been saved.
    Cheers - Nic

  • Kathleen

    Kathleen Chicago

    My belief is that no baby is born evil. We are learning more about damage done in early and middle childhood that if left unaddressed, can lead to homicidal behavior later in life. So many factors are at play: abuse, neglect, brain trauma, lack of nurturing touch, prenatal drugs/alcohol, parental psychosis, poverty, frequent moves, domestic violence---the ways a person can be damaged are endless. We know how to create a serial killer if we want to. What amazes me are the children who endure suffering but become resilient & compassionate adults. I do believe every serial killer was born with the potential for goodness. And yes, there is a choice to be made. A choice between darkness or light. I believe I read that Jeffrey Dahmer recalled a moment of choice between healing or killing. We humans are endlessly fascinating. Also, our species had to evolve the capacity for killing to survive over millennia. This is part of our legacy too. Thank you for illuminating this topic for us. I so much look forward to Tuesdays & Wednesdays because of TCG. Much love & respect.

    My belief is that no baby is born evil. We are learning more about damage done in early and middle childhood that if left unaddressed, can lead to homicidal behavior later in life. So many factors are at play: abuse, neglect, brain trauma, lack of nurturing touch, prenatal drugs/alcohol, parental psychosis, poverty, frequent moves, domestic violence---the ways a person can be damaged are endless. We know how to create a serial killer if we want to. What amazes me are the children who endure suffering but become resilient & compassionate adults. I do believe every serial killer was born with the potential for goodness. And yes, there is a choice to be made. A choice between darkness or light. I believe I read that Jeffrey Dahmer recalled a moment of choice between healing or killing. We humans are endlessly fascinating. Also, our species had to evolve the capacity for killing to survive over millennia. This is part of our legacy too. Thank you for illuminating this topic for us. I so much look forward to Tuesdays & Wednesdays because of TCG. Much love & respect.

  • Jessa Meeks

    Jessa Meeks Chattanooga TN

    Hey guys! I love your work! I was hoping we could communicate privately (email) about an idea I had. if you are interested in hearing more please email me at thunkitcreators@gmail.com

    Hey guys! I love your work! I was hoping we could communicate privately (email) about an idea I had.
    if you are interested in hearing more please email me at thunkitcreators@gmail.com

  • RACHEL

    RACHEL AMHERST, OH

    Ugh. This guy. He is the embodiment of the paradox that we all face when it comes to sociopaths/psychopaths, and of the what came first, the chicken or the egg? conundrum. Too much to even articulate fully in this paragraph. If you have not done so already, you should read Dr. Robert Hare's Without Conscience. He talks about what it's like to forget you are talking with a psychopath. It's quite common and they love it and soak it right up. The biggest problem with this disorder is that whatever or whomever they may have been prior to their offenses being discovered (and all psychopaths or sociopaths have offenses, even if they are non-violent, they are scheming and manipulating in some manner every day), they all fit the same mold during and after. But we don't see it that way. We still have the human element of empathy so we assign and project degrees of guilt based on their origin stories. But this is flawed thinking. It's trying to assign values that exist in our realm, for a lack of a better word, into theirs. And it is precisely this tendency of ours that they exploit even from prison, to accomplish whatever their new hearts desire is at that given moment. They are puppeteers and everyone else is just their puppet. The easiest way I can describe it for anyone who has not come face to face with it is like that old SCI-FI movie, the Sphere. Once you engage, they read you and become something entirely new based on your behavior and emotions. You have to approach people like Edmund Kemper with the assumption that you ARE being controlled and manipulated, even if you cant perceive it, because once you are talking to a psychopath, you are on their playground and they have home field advantage. I was married to a sociopath for 8 years. I knew before the forensic psychiatrist hired for our custody case was involved, but hearing a professional validate it was a relief, because no matter how intelligent or confident or trained you may be in this disorder, they will all get inside your head. It's just the way it goes. That is why Dr. Hare says the only way to deal with them is to get as far away from them as possible. And he ought to know, he created the PCL-R.

    Ugh. This guy. He is the embodiment of the paradox that we all face when it comes to sociopaths/psychopaths, and of the what came first, the chicken or the egg? conundrum. Too much to even articulate fully in this paragraph. If you have not done so already, you should read Dr. Robert Hare's Without Conscience. He talks about what it's like to forget you are talking with a psychopath. It's quite common and they love it and soak it right up. The biggest problem with this disorder is that whatever or whomever they may have been prior to their offenses being discovered (and all psychopaths or sociopaths have offenses, even if they are non-violent, they are scheming and manipulating in some manner every day), they all fit the same mold during and after. But we don't see it that way. We still have the human element of empathy so we assign and project degrees of guilt based on their origin stories. But this is flawed thinking. It's trying to assign values that exist in our realm, for a lack of a better word, into theirs. And it is precisely this tendency of ours that they exploit even from prison, to accomplish whatever their new hearts desire is at that given moment. They are puppeteers and everyone else is just their puppet. The easiest way I can describe it for anyone who has not come face to face with it is like that old SCI-FI movie, the Sphere. Once you engage, they read you and become something entirely new based on your behavior and emotions. You have to approach people like Edmund Kemper with the assumption that you ARE being controlled and manipulated, even if you cant perceive it, because once you are talking to a psychopath, you are on their playground and they have home field advantage. I was married to a sociopath for 8 years. I knew before the forensic psychiatrist hired for our custody case was involved, but hearing a professional validate it was a relief, because no matter how intelligent or confident or trained you may be in this disorder, they will all get inside your head. It's just the way it goes. That is why Dr. Hare says the only way to deal with them is to get as far away from them as possible. And he ought to know, he created the PCL-R.

  • Anon Mouse

    Anon Mouse Parts Unknown

    Seriously, "the Captain" just ruins this entire show. He's not even funny, but still manages to ruin the seriousness of the stories. I could get better "comedy" (if that's what he's going for) from my 3 year old niece. Not only that, but when he does try to be serious and add to the conversation, he never adds any value and it just leads me to think "please shut up so Nick can talk more about the case..."

    Seriously, "the Captain" just ruins this entire show. He's not even funny, but still manages to ruin the seriousness of the stories. I could get better "comedy" (if that's what he's going for) from my 3 year old niece. Not only that, but when he does try to be serious and add to the conversation, he never adds any value and it just leads me to think "please shut up so Nick can talk more about the case..."

  • Rachael Lefebvre

    Rachael Lefebvre

    This episode makes me wish Netflix would continue Mindhunter... no offense guys

    This episode makes me wish Netflix would continue Mindhunter... no offense guys

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    @ Mouse - I do respect your opinion however from a production standpoint the show would not exist without the Captain. Plus I think you may only want to hear me talk solo because you have not yet. Some of the Captain’s comments annoy me, some make me laugh, some intrigue and some make for great conversation. I’m very confident that my comments do all of the same for all. So agree to disagree but I do very much like that you chimed in on the blog. Please do again and cheers! Nic

    @ Mouse - I do respect your opinion however from a production standpoint the show would not exist without the Captain. Plus I think you may only want to hear me talk solo because you have not yet. Some of the Captain’s comments annoy me, some make me laugh, some intrigue and some make for great conversation. I’m very confident that my comments do all of the same for all. So agree to disagree but I do very much like that you chimed in on the blog. Please do again and cheers!
    Nic

  • Billy

    Billy Fairfax, VA

    Love the Prodigy Firestarter reference.

    Love the Prodigy Firestarter reference.

  • Kathleen

    Kathleen Chicago

    Hey Mouse, I also respect your point of view. We don't all have the same comedic taste or the same "tickle bone". I find myself laughing out loud at some of his remarks---and groaning as well! I enjoy it all. I love what goes on in his mind and his communication style. Nic @ the Captain are a duo made in heaven---like Lennon & McCartney, Mick & Keith, Tom Sawyer & Huckleberry Finn, beer & brats. I work in a hospital emergency department and interact daily with police, doctors, EMS, and appreciate a macabre sense of humor. Love you to (dismembered) pieces Captain & Colonel. What you do matters. Carry on.

    Hey Mouse, I also respect your point of view. We don't all have the same comedic taste or the same "tickle bone". I find myself laughing out loud at some of his remarks---and groaning as well! I enjoy it all. I love what goes on in his mind and his communication style. Nic @ the Captain are a duo made in heaven---like Lennon & McCartney, Mick & Keith, Tom Sawyer & Huckleberry Finn, beer & brats. I work in a hospital emergency department and interact daily with police, doctors, EMS, and appreciate a macabre sense of humor. Love you to (dismembered) pieces Captain & Colonel. What you do matters. Carry on.

  • Melissa

    Melissa Colorado

    Seriously , Anon Mouse you maybe should find a new pod cast then, and I find you comment terribly rude. The captain is hilarious & makes me LOL with his witty humor & the show would be boring without him. No offense Nick . Happy Holidays !

    Seriously , Anon Mouse you maybe should find a new pod cast then, and I find you comment terribly rude. The captain is hilarious & makes me LOL with his witty humor & the show would be boring without him. No offense Nick . Happy Holidays !

  • Katie J

    Katie J Asia

    I loved the transition music this week. It's been in my head all day! I just found your podcast a few months ago and I really like it. Thanks for all the work you do.

    I loved the transition music this week. It's been in my head all day! I just found your podcast a few months ago and I really like it. Thanks for all the work you do.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thanks Katie! Nic

    Thanks Katie!
    Nic

  • Martin

    Martin England

    All opinions are available but for what it's worth I thought these episodes were great (as are most TCGs shows) and the Captain's humour had me laughing out loud. Nothing is perfect and I would change a couple of things about the show but overall Nic and the Captain put out great shows every week which don't cost me a penny. The Captain's role is massively underplayed by the haters. Nic is the best host out there but the best shows are when they are both invested in the case and contribute more equally. The sound of the show is super professional and I love the music the Captain creates every week. And my opinion on covering well known cases, or well covered killers is to carry on doing it. I listen to other true crime podcasts but TCG is my first choice and I want to hear your opinions.

    All opinions are available but for what it's worth I thought these episodes were great (as are most TCGs shows) and the Captain's humour had me laughing out loud.

    Nothing is perfect and I would change a couple of things about the show but overall Nic and the Captain put out great shows every week which don't cost me a penny. The Captain's role is massively underplayed by the haters. Nic is the best host out there but the best shows are when they are both invested in the case and contribute more equally. The sound of the show is super professional and I love the music the Captain creates every week.

    And my opinion on covering well known cases, or well covered killers is to carry on doing it. I listen to other true crime podcasts but TCG is my first choice and I want to hear your opinions.

  • Michelle

    Michelle KC, MO

    @Rachel- I really appreciate your comments. I think you nailed it on the head; we see these people as humans, like we are, with the same thought, feeling and emotions. But they are not and to see them that way is dangerous. I had a close friend that was definitely a sociopath. Once my eyes were opened, and I could see the manipulations, it was mind blowing. It is like they are always "on" and operating in that manner. Love this podcast and loved Nic and the Captain's take on this case.

    @Rachel- I really appreciate your comments. I think you nailed it on the head; we see these people as humans, like we are, with the same thought, feeling and emotions. But they are not and to see them that way is dangerous. I had a close friend that was definitely a sociopath. Once my eyes were opened, and I could see the manipulations, it was mind blowing. It is like they are always "on" and operating in that manner.
    Love this podcast and loved Nic and the Captain's take on this case.

  • Leo

    Leo ND

    Nice AND The Captain! #huzzah !!

    Nice AND The Captain! #huzzah !!

  • Melantedqueen8?1@gmail. Com

    Melantedqueen8?1@gmail. Com Tx.

    Interesting Case :Joanna Sabrina Vaz, who has been missing since 1974. Check. It. Out?. Very Respectfully, Ericka-sophia.

    Interesting Case :Joanna Sabrina Vaz, who has been missing since 1974.

    Check. It. Out?.

    Very Respectfully,

    Ericka-sophia.

  • Falcon

    Falcon Istanbul

    I was waiting to hear what to do if we find ourselves caught up with a serial killer and how the serial killer picks his victims (let’s face it, nearly all serial killers to date have been male!). I know they were pioneers of criminal profiling and they have my admiration and appreciation for that, but did Douglas and Ressler ever nail down the preventative angles they were after?

    I was waiting to hear what to do if we find ourselves caught up with a serial killer and how the serial killer picks his victims (let’s face it, nearly all serial killers to date have been male!). I know they were pioneers of criminal profiling and they have my admiration and appreciation for that, but did Douglas and Ressler ever nail down the preventative angles they were after?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Douglas and Resslernailed down methods for early detection and ways to draw killers out into the open - to make an arrest thus the most preventive measures they could given their position Cheers Nic

    Douglas and Resslernailed down methods for early detection and ways to draw killers out into the open - to make an arrest thus the most preventive measures they could given their position
    Cheers Nic

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