Elliott Smith ////// 307

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  • Mariana

    Mariana Montreal

    I think it was suicide. Interesting parallels between his death and Kurt Cobain's. The fact that he opted for suicide by stabbing also reminds me of André Fortin's suicide (a rockstar from Quebec who killed himself a few years prior).

    I think it was suicide. Interesting parallels between his death and Kurt Cobain's. The fact that he opted for suicide by stabbing also reminds me of André Fortin's suicide (a rockstar from Quebec who killed himself a few years prior).

  • Jody

    Jody MO

    I just watched a John Oliver segment on death investigations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnoMsftQPY8 , It was an eye opener! John Oliver didn't bring up Fahmy Malak, but he did talk about other medical examiners that are just as bad if not worse.

    I just watched a John Oliver segment on death investigations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnoMsftQPY8 , It was an eye opener! John Oliver didn't bring up Fahmy Malak, but he did talk about other medical examiners that are just as bad if not worse.

  • LouLouLeRoux

    LouLouLeRoux Toronto

    I'm so glad you covered this topic. Elliott's death has always fascinated me and I've gone back and forth between thinking it's suicide and thinking it's homicide. Love hearing both of your thoughts.

    I'm so glad you covered this topic. Elliott's death has always fascinated me and I've gone back and forth between thinking it's suicide and thinking it's homicide. Love hearing both of your thoughts.

  • Maggie

    Maggie Massachusetts

    What if it was an assisted suicide?

    What if it was an assisted suicide?

  • mG

    mG tX

    Thank you for tackling this one. A huge fan of his music, I think he was one of the most innovative musicians of his time. Will wait to listen to this one when I have some quiet time. I know the details of his death and his constant battle with depression, but have always had nagging doubts about the bizarre way he died.

    Thank you for tackling this one. A huge fan of his music, I think he was one of the most innovative musicians of his time. Will wait to listen to this one when I have some quiet time. I know the details of his death and his constant battle with depression, but have always had nagging doubts about the bizarre way he died.

  • Mary

    Mary kansas

    another put me to sleep episode, oh to be back to the days when you were interesting

    another put me to sleep episode, oh to be back to the days when you were interesting

  • THANK YOU so much for the addition of possible medication effects! I am glad more and more attention is being given to the dangers of these prescribed medications. Homicidal and suicidal ideation are potential reactions to antidepressants. Not saying at all that is the case here, but any time now I hear of a bizarre suicide, I always want to know if someone changed their psychiatric medications recently. Really appreciate the Captain and Nic giving adding that to the discussion. Cheers https://www.bmj.com/content/358/bmj.j3697/rr-4

    THANK YOU so much for the addition of possible medication effects! I am glad more and more attention is being given to the dangers of these prescribed medications. Homicidal and suicidal ideation are potential reactions to antidepressants. Not saying at all that is the case here, but any time now I hear of a bizarre suicide, I always want to know if someone changed their psychiatric medications recently. Really appreciate the Captain and Nic giving adding that to the discussion. Cheers https://www.bmj.com/content/358/bmj.j3697/rr-4

  • Anna

    Anna Grand Rapids, MI

    I think it was suicide because if there was an altercation, there is no way she could get away without scratches, bruises... obvious signs of a struggle on her. Even though he did not lift his shirt to commit suicide, both of you made a good point: even prescribed and well monitored medications can make you act and think differently. I have been through the ringer with anti-psychotics and anti-depression meds, and I can speak from experience that you will think and act on killing yourself in ways you never even considered off the meds.

    I think it was suicide because if there was an altercation, there is no way she could get away without scratches, bruises... obvious signs of a struggle on her. Even though he did not lift his shirt to commit suicide, both of you made a good point: even prescribed and well monitored medications can make you act and think differently. I have been through the ringer with anti-psychotics and anti-depression meds, and I can speak from experience that you will think and act on killing yourself in ways you never even considered off the meds.

  • Sara

    Sara Seattle, WA

    Very interesting episode! I had no idea his suicide was ever in doubt, but I can't say I've looked into it before. I'm only peripherally familiar with Smith's music. I've read up a bit since listening to the episode, and I found it interesting that Jennifer alleged she and Elliot had an agreement between them that he would financially provide for her for life, and then, after his death, she attempted to gain a significant share of his fortune. She took the case through at least one appeal, but articles seem to show that she lost. I can't say whether this was suicide or homicide, but money does strange things to people.

    Very interesting episode! I had no idea his suicide was ever in doubt, but I can't say I've looked into it before. I'm only peripherally familiar with Smith's music. I've read up a bit since listening to the episode, and I found it interesting that Jennifer alleged she and Elliot had an agreement between them that he would financially provide for her for life, and then, after his death, she attempted to gain a significant share of his fortune. She took the case through at least one appeal, but articles seem to show that she lost. I can't say whether this was suicide or homicide, but money does strange things to people.

  • LG

    LG SF Bay Area

    I actually met Elliott Smith in 1999. I was an intern at WFNX Boston and during that summer, we hosted a music festival. He was one of the performers and I had to help facilitate an interview between him and the DJ I worked with. Granted this was 4 years prior to his ultimate demise, but I can tell you that when I heard he killed himself, I was not at all surprised. He seemed so depressed when I met him that I commented to the DJ, why did he even agree to do an interview? A very sad situation.

    I actually met Elliott Smith in 1999. I was an intern at WFNX Boston and during that summer, we hosted a music festival. He was one of the performers and I had to help facilitate an interview between him and the DJ I worked with. Granted this was 4 years prior to his ultimate demise, but I can tell you that when I heard he killed himself, I was not at all surprised. He seemed so depressed when I met him that I commented to the DJ, why did he even agree to do an interview? A very sad situation.

  • Alyson Camus

    Alyson Camus Los Angeles

    Did you read my website? I have been on this case for a long time, and I have 27 pages of the autopsy (you said you could not find more than a few pages) you can find much more here: https://justiceforelliottsmithcom.wordpress.com

    Did you read my website? I have been on this case for a long time, and I have 27 pages of the autopsy (you said you could not find more than a few pages) you can find much more here: https://justiceforelliottsmithcom.wordpress.com

  • Alyson Camus

    Alyson Camus Los Angeles

    and you are wrong about the 911 call, she did not call immediately despite what she said to the police. She admitted something else to a family member who talked to me.

    and you are wrong about the 911 call, she did not call immediately despite what she said to the police. She admitted something else to a family member who talked to me.

  • Davis

    Davis NY

    I didn't realize he had such an awful childhood. Have his family ever commented?

    I didn't realize he had such an awful childhood. Have his family ever commented?

  • WP

    WP Victoria, BC

    I'm voting for murder. Suicide by a knife wound to the chest has got to be a staggeringly rare occurrence, statistically speaking. And of that subset of people -- how many would have the energy and wherewithal to stab themselves a second time, more forcefully than the first blow? I knew "Steve Smith", as he was then known, in high school. We were two guys who sat in the back of a senior year journalism class, having fun ignoring the teacher and messing around with words. We'd have to contribute to the school newspaper -- so we'd come up with goofy stories and outraged "letters to the editor" to pass the time and meet the bare minimum required for success in the class. One thing the "Steve Smith" I knew, and the "Elliott" he became, had in common is that they were never at a loss for words. The bare bones "suicide letter" on a Post-It note just doesn't ring true to me. Many other elements of the "suicide" story don't either. Great show as always, gents -- though this was a weird one for me to run across, for obvious reasons. Not every day someone you knew and respected in high school turns out to be the "unsolved mystery of the week".....

    I'm voting for murder. Suicide by a knife wound to the chest has got to be a staggeringly rare occurrence, statistically speaking. And of that subset of people -- how many would have the energy and wherewithal to stab themselves a second time, more forcefully than the first blow?

    I knew "Steve Smith", as he was then known, in high school. We were two guys who sat in the back of a senior year journalism class, having fun ignoring the teacher and messing around with words. We'd have to contribute to the school newspaper -- so we'd come up with goofy stories and outraged "letters to the editor" to pass the time and meet the bare minimum required for success in the class. One thing the "Steve Smith" I knew, and the "Elliott" he became, had in common is that they were never at a loss for words. The bare bones "suicide letter" on a Post-It note just doesn't ring true to me. Many other elements of the "suicide" story don't either.

    Great show as always, gents -- though this was a weird one for me to run across, for obvious reasons. Not every day someone you knew and respected in high school turns out to be the "unsolved mystery of the week".....

  • Maggie

    Maggie Massachusetts

    What are the parallels between Elliott and Cobain? Other than being musicians I dont see any similarities there

    What are the parallels between Elliott and Cobain? Other than being musicians I dont see any similarities there

  • Alex

    Alex Avon

    I enjoyed this show and the Captains input. I don't think that the truth will ever be known, I suspect some kind of foul play because of the extreme method of 'suicide'. A history of massive drug abuse, severe mental illness and a relationship that clearly had it challenges could throw up any number of possibilities to be honest. I think the key lies in what the personality of the GF was - did she have mental issues, anger issues or the like? was she a beneficiary of an insurance policy or will (unlikely I guess) what was the exact status of their relationship? improving, deteriorating etc.

    I enjoyed this show and the Captains input.
    I don't think that the truth will ever be known, I suspect some kind of foul play because of the extreme method of 'suicide'. A history of massive drug abuse, severe mental illness and a relationship that clearly had it challenges could throw up any number of possibilities to be honest. I think the key lies in what the personality of the GF was - did she have mental issues, anger issues or the like? was she a beneficiary of an insurance policy or will (unlikely I guess) what was the exact status of their relationship? improving, deteriorating etc.

  • Greg

    Greg SF

    @Anna. I'm not so sure. He wasn't agressive. Certainly not towards women. I'm not convinced he'd have defended himself using physical violence.

    @Anna. I'm not so sure. He wasn't agressive. Certainly not towards women. I'm not convinced he'd have defended himself using physical violence.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    I was unaware of your website - thank you for posting the info! Cheers Nic

    I was unaware of your website - thank you for posting the info!
    Cheers Nic

  • C.B.

    C.B. Uk

    Personally I'd like a part 2 on this. There was a lot of crazy stuff that happened afterwards not included.

    Personally I'd like a part 2 on this. There was a lot of crazy stuff that happened afterwards not included.

  • Stephanie Grey

    Stephanie Grey

    Maggie - i think the parallel of Elliot Smith and Cobain comes mostly from them being musicians, they both allegedly committed suicide but there are questions in both cases on if it was actually murder. Maybe more so with Elliot, but there are theories Kurt was killed too.

    Maggie - i think the parallel of Elliot Smith and Cobain comes mostly from them being musicians, they both allegedly committed suicide but there are questions in both cases on if it was actually murder. Maybe more so with Elliot, but there are theories Kurt was killed too.

  • Timesha

    Timesha

    I can't agree with suicide on this one. You have to be out of your mind to stab yourself. Either mentally or in some drug altered state. I just don't think anger is enough to make someone do that.

    I can't agree with suicide on this one. You have to be out of your mind to stab yourself. Either mentally or in some drug altered state. I just don't think anger is enough to make someone do that.

  • Amanda

    Amanda Maryland

    Two weeks in a row you guys did cases that made me go "Damn, I have no clue!" Each detail could easily point to a cover-up by Jennifer, but equally could point to her just being in a panic. I've taken first aid and CPR classes, and I'd like to think I'd know what to do. But who's to say how I would act if something so horrific was actually happening, especially to someone I knew. My initial thought is that suicide by stabbing yourself in the chest doesn't make a lot of sense. But it sounds like he could be REALLY unstable. In a brief moment, he could have lost his mind enough to do it. It's so sad how many talented people are dealing with so much pain in their life. It was nice to have Captain narrating the intro for a change! Sounds like this episode was kind of "his baby."

    Two weeks in a row you guys did cases that made me go "Damn, I have no clue!" Each detail could easily point to a cover-up by Jennifer, but equally could point to her just being in a panic. I've taken first aid and CPR classes, and I'd like to think I'd know what to do. But who's to say how I would act if something so horrific was actually happening, especially to someone I knew. My initial thought is that suicide by stabbing yourself in the chest doesn't make a lot of sense. But it sounds like he could be REALLY unstable. In a brief moment, he could have lost his mind enough to do it. It's so sad how many talented people are dealing with so much pain in their life.

    It was nice to have Captain narrating the intro for a change! Sounds like this episode was kind of "his baby."

  • Regina

    Regina Rochester

    @Alex that's exactly right, it's the key, and it's been steadily overlooked or altogether ignored, as was overlooked the fact that he wanted to leave her, and probably told her so that very day... that podcast is great if it brings attention to the case, but it could have been done in 2003 or 2004, considering how it never takes into account everything that has surfaced about her overtime, none of it good.

    @Alex that's exactly right, it's the key, and it's been steadily overlooked or altogether ignored, as was overlooked the fact that he wanted to leave her, and probably told her so that very day... that podcast is great if it brings attention to the case, but it could have been done in 2003 or 2004, considering how it never takes into account everything that has surfaced about her overtime, none of it good.

  • Wendy

    Wendy UK

    If he was so angry that he stabbed himself twice in the chest with his t-shirt on, would he really have taken the time to write a suicide note?

    If he was so angry that he stabbed himself twice in the chest with his t-shirt on, would he really have taken the time to write a suicide note?

  • Alyson

    Alyson Los Angeles

    Thanks Wendy! I have repeated this over and over. The suicide note makes no sense with the rest of the event. During a Q&A, she said she was in the bathroom for only 5-10 min, but in this short amount of time, he could have lost his mind to the point to stab himself twice in the chest while taking the time to write this apologetic suicide note? Elliott had problems but he was not that unstable, she worked very hard to make people believe it, saying he was paranoid, but at the same time, she said she had an oral agreement with him (she sued the estate based on this supposed agreement a few months later) and even wanted to get married and have children. Her narration has always been so contradictory, 'He was severely mentally ill' ... 'we wanted to start a family"? "He went cold turkey and stopped everything"... "He was taking oo many meds!"?.. "I don't understand he was so healthy"... "he was going through trauma and was paranoid". I more or less paraphrase but she said all these things on different occasions. The reality is that if she had been stabbed to the chest in Elliott's presence, he would have been regarded as a suspect right away.

    Thanks Wendy! I have repeated this over and over. The suicide note makes no sense with the rest of the event. During a Q&A, she said she was in the bathroom for only 5-10 min, but in this short amount of time, he could have lost his mind to the point to stab himself twice in the chest while taking the time to write this apologetic suicide note? Elliott had problems but he was not that unstable, she worked very hard to make people believe it, saying he was paranoid, but at the same time, she said she had an oral agreement with him (she sued the estate based on this supposed agreement a few months later) and even wanted to get married and have children. Her narration has always been so contradictory, 'He was severely mentally ill' ... 'we wanted to start a family"? "He went cold turkey and stopped everything"... "He was taking oo many meds!"?.. "I don't understand he was so healthy"... "he was going through trauma and was paranoid". I more or less paraphrase but she said all these things on different occasions. The reality is that if she had been stabbed to the chest in Elliott's presence, he would have been regarded as a suspect right away.

  • XO

    XO Los Angeles, Ca

    Ever since hearing about Elliott Smith’s death, suicide was never in question. Later, when I met Jennifer and she told me her story, I knew what I always had known was true. She did not kill him, and she’s suffered ever since.

    Ever since hearing about Elliott Smith’s death, suicide was never in question. Later, when I met Jennifer and she told me her story, I knew what I always had known was true. She did not kill him, and she’s suffered ever since.

  • Josh

    Josh Parts unknown

    As someone who loves his music for a decade plus and saw him live a few times. I can say that the music comes from a place of deep depression and pain and that is also how he came across face to face. I am not that impressed by the uncommonness of the method. Something that happens 1/1000 times does sometimes happen. And he is not exactly your typical person in a wide variety of ways. That said there are some things that point at the girlfriend too. I just ha such a hard time taking that seriously since for the first couple years after his death so much of that speculation just seemed like projections from his loved ones and fans. “I love Elliott and he would never do this to me”. Except clearly he would, if you listened to his music for like 3 hours.

    As someone who loves his music for a decade plus and saw him live a few times. I can say that the music comes from a place of deep depression and pain and that is also how he came across face to face. I am not that impressed by the uncommonness of the method. Something that happens 1/1000 times does sometimes happen. And he is not exactly your typical person in a wide variety of ways.

    That said there are some things that point at the girlfriend too. I just ha such a hard time taking that seriously since for the first couple years after his death so much of that speculation just seemed like projections from his loved ones and fans. “I love Elliott and he would never do this to me”. Except clearly he would, if you listened to his music for like 3 hours.

  • Danielle P

    Danielle P Plains MT

    So, one question I have, you touched on captain. His to report came back as no illegal drugs, they were all drugs prescribed to him. And is you were wondering how long have you been on them. so with any or all of those medications are combination of them was he just extremely tired. Like you said there'd be a lot more defensive wounds, or the girlfriend would look like she had just been in a struggle. But if he was so groggy and tired from prescriptions, it wouldn't be much of a fight. it's such a fine line because of the history of depression, and suicide threats. You never know if somebody is going to actually follow through. Especially when they're vocal like that. But my money, the little that I have, is on the girlfriend being a jerk face. Did anybody follow up on her finances did she receive anything after he passed. I think if we knew more about his prescription situation, that may shine light in one direction a little more. Clear a couple things up

    So, one question I have, you touched on captain. His to report came back as no illegal drugs, they were all drugs prescribed to him. And is you were wondering how long have you been on them. so with any or all of those medications are combination of them was he just extremely tired. Like you said there'd be a lot more defensive wounds, or the girlfriend would look like she had just been in a struggle. But if he was so groggy and tired from prescriptions, it wouldn't be much of a fight.
    it's such a fine line because of the history of depression, and suicide threats. You never know if somebody is going to actually follow through. Especially when they're vocal like that. But my money, the little that I have, is on the girlfriend being a jerk face. Did anybody follow up on her finances did she receive anything after he passed.
    I think if we knew more about his prescription situation, that may shine light in one direction a little more. Clear a couple things up

  • Sandy

    Sandy Detroit

    I think this was suicide. Yes, the method is somewhat unusual but given he and his girlfriend were in a long, heated argument, the two self inflicted stabs in the chest would have been a dramatic statement. He was an artist and most artists have a strong sense of the dramatic. The suicides I am accustomed to hearing about were done in private, the person was resigned to this final decision to end their life . This ending was under different, chaotic circumstances.

    I think this was suicide. Yes, the method is somewhat unusual but given he and his girlfriend were in a long, heated argument, the two self inflicted stabs in the chest would have been a dramatic statement. He was an artist and most artists have a strong sense of the dramatic. The suicides I am accustomed to hearing about were done in private, the person was resigned to this final decision to end their life . This ending was under different, chaotic circumstances.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    The way the autopsy reads - yes everything found in his system was prescribed to Elliott but there is nothing on there to indicate how long he had been taking each of the medications - we do both think this could be a factor. Nic

    The way the autopsy reads - yes everything found in his system was prescribed to Elliott but there is nothing on there to indicate how long he had been taking each of the medications - we do both think this could be a factor.
    Nic

  • Joy

    Joy New York

    Hey guys, your friendly mental health professional here had to comment on this one. I think Elliott has a lot of symptoms of borderline personality disorder. People with this disorder frequently also have depression but they tend to have a history of very unstable moods and impulsive behaviors. They feel very easily rejected and become extremely impulsive and desperate to avoid rejection. People with borderline personality disorder will frequently make statements when in fights, especially with a significant other, that they will kill themselves if left or ignored- which he apparently said to his girlfriend when she walked away from the fight-this is a telltale sign of BPD sufferers. In addition, addiction also is frequently seen in people with BPD. Self harming, which he also did by cutting and burning himself is another strong indicator of BPD. People with BPD are also often childhood trauma and abuse survivors. Essentially, the disorder means that their moods can switch very rapidly when they feel they are being slighted in some way- and they can feel slighted for almost anything. For instance, their date is five minutes late, or someone disagrees with them-that can be enough for someone to spiral. It’s not always the case but frequently people who are only suffering from depression by itself who feel suicidal won’t make repeated threats to others, they typically don’t want people to know they want to hurt themselves unless they confide in someone close to them in order to get help. But people with BPD face a stigma-even in the mental health world-because they will be very vocal about their emotions and how they will hurt themselves-some people see this as manipulation-giving people with BPD a bad reputation-but it’s honestly that they have so much difficultly regulating their emotions that they don’t know how else to be ‘rescued’. Sadly they also have a high number of not just threats but attempts and completed suicides and I think that’s what this was. I specialize in clients with trauma so I have worked with many BPD clients. People with the above symptoms should be referred for dialectical behavioral therapy which treats this specific issue. Keep up the good work guys!!

    Hey guys, your friendly mental health professional here had to comment on this one. I think Elliott has a lot of symptoms of borderline personality disorder. People with this disorder frequently also have depression but they tend to have a history of very unstable moods and impulsive behaviors. They feel very easily rejected and become extremely impulsive and desperate to avoid rejection. People with borderline personality disorder will frequently make statements when in fights, especially with a significant other, that they will kill themselves if left or ignored- which he apparently said to his girlfriend when she walked away from the fight-this is a telltale sign of BPD sufferers. In addition, addiction also is frequently seen in people with BPD. Self harming, which he also did by cutting and burning himself is another strong indicator of BPD. People with BPD are also often childhood trauma and abuse survivors. Essentially, the disorder means that their moods can switch very rapidly when they feel they are being slighted in some way- and they can feel slighted for almost anything. For instance, their date is five minutes late, or someone disagrees with them-that can be enough for someone to spiral.
    It’s not always the case but frequently people who are only suffering from depression by itself who feel suicidal won’t make repeated threats to others, they typically don’t want people to know they want to hurt themselves unless they confide in someone close to them in order to get help. But people with BPD face a stigma-even in the mental health world-because they will be very vocal about their emotions and how they will hurt themselves-some people see this as manipulation-giving people with BPD a bad reputation-but it’s honestly that they have so much difficultly regulating their emotions that they don’t know how else to be ‘rescued’. Sadly they also have a high number of not just threats but attempts and completed suicides and I think that’s what this was. I specialize in clients with trauma so I have worked with many BPD clients. People with the above symptoms should be referred for dialectical behavioral therapy which treats this specific issue.

    Keep up the good work guys!!

  • Regina

    Regina Rochester

    @Danielle P after he died, she tried to get money and lost : https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/TAC/2005-03%20Marta%20Greenwald%20vs.%20Jennifer%20Chiba.pdf but before he died, she had him supposedly tied with some "oral agreement" she made him take on the very day he moved in with her

    @Danielle P after he died, she tried to get money and lost : https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/TAC/2005-03%20Marta%20Greenwald%20vs.%20Jennifer%20Chiba.pdf
    but before he died, she had him supposedly tied with some "oral agreement" she made him take on the very day he moved in with her

  • Regina

    Regina Rochester

    @XO you know, you still only have HER story (or at least one of the many versions she's been spinning over the years) - which by the way you're of course not sharing here with us unenlightened people - i'm afraid this doesn't count as "convincing" or "cogent" an argument... what else have we had all those years, but HER story, HER lies and HER refurbishing of facts? you can't blame people for doubting her every word when she's been consistently caught lying about just everything, and stitching threads of other people's stories into her own narrative - i don't know what the psychiatric term for people doing that is, but there must be one.

    @XO you know, you still only have HER story (or at least one of the many versions she's been spinning over the years) - which by the way you're of course not sharing here with us unenlightened people - i'm afraid this doesn't count as "convincing" or "cogent" an argument... what else have we had all those years, but HER story, HER lies and HER refurbishing of facts? you can't blame people for doubting her every word when she's been consistently caught lying about just everything, and stitching threads of other people's stories into her own narrative - i don't know what the psychiatric term for people doing that is, but there must be one.

  • Alyson

    Alyson Los Angeles

    You can’t ignore her behavior, before and after Elliott’s death. What about the fact that one of her ex friends told me she had already threatened another boyfriend with a knife? This is serious allegation and corroborated by several other people. This is just one of the few things I have found out about her. And to the people who are not impressed about the method because Elliott was such a depressed and unique guy, what matters is the opinion of experts who have said this method was extremely rare and very improbable.

    You can’t ignore her behavior, before and after Elliott’s death. What about the fact that one of her ex friends told me she had already threatened another boyfriend with a knife? This is serious allegation and corroborated by several other people. This is just one of the few things I have found out about her. And to the people who are not impressed about the method because Elliott was such a depressed and unique guy, what matters is the opinion of experts who have said this method was extremely rare and very improbable.

  • Buckeye gal

    Buckeye gal Buckeye State

    XO comment name. Name of Album. Reading between the lines. How convenient the shower at the time of the incident. If he did do this big if the girlfriend provoked his state of anger. Interesting that xo comment defends Jennifer if she threatened previous boyfriend to stab him she is definitely suspect

    XO comment name. Name of Album. Reading between the lines. How convenient the shower at the time of the incident. If he did do this big if the girlfriend provoked his state of anger. Interesting that xo comment defends Jennifer if she threatened previous boyfriend to stab him she is definitely suspect

  • Cliff

    Cliff USA

    The part the breaks my heart, not that anyone deserves a violent death. Is that he was, by all accounts, a very gentle, empathetic, sweet guy. He clearly loved his family ( aside from Charlie), was a sweetheart to his siblings and friends. He didn't let the abuse turn him into an abuser. He repeatedly stood up against bullies to protect people even if it meant getting a beating himself. It seems so wrong that he, of all people should have suffered so much.

    The part the breaks my heart, not that anyone deserves a violent death. Is that he was, by all accounts, a very gentle, empathetic, sweet guy. He clearly loved his family ( aside from Charlie), was a sweetheart to his siblings and friends. He didn't let the abuse turn him into an abuser. He repeatedly stood up against bullies to protect people even if it meant getting a beating himself. It seems so wrong that he, of all people should have suffered so much.

  • Lori

    Lori Houston

    Maybe it was BOTH...Suicide and Homicide. He asked her to do it. She did. Immediate regret. Calls 911.

    Maybe it was BOTH...Suicide and Homicide. He asked her to do it. She did. Immediate regret. Calls 911.

  • Lori

    Lori Houston

    Their fight could have been about killing him. Then she did it out of impulse.

    Their fight could have been about killing him. Then she did it out of impulse.

  • Cesar

    Cesar Between the Bars

    His own family is unconvinced that he took his own life. J. Chiba is the one who put the suicide narrative out into the world, her behavior afterward is highly suspect - she lawyered up, refused to speak with detectives and LEFT THE COUNTRY! Oh and her end of the story has been wildly inconsistent as well. She's spent far too much time trying to cash in, that's precisely why she did it, cuz she knew once he was dead his popularity would soar, and since she was such a devoted "caregiver/manager/common law wife" she clearly hoped this would all pay off. And it has. The above commenter "XO" from Los Angeles is clearly Jennifer pretending to be someone else. She's "suffered since" because her conscience is probably gnawing at her! She's guilty as hell, the LAPD dropped the ball and all they've got is circumstantial evidence, not enough to convict her, unless someone comes forward with the truth. Maybe one day she will confess to what she did, until then, it sucks to be her, because her reputation speaks for itself!

    His own family is unconvinced that he took his own life. J. Chiba is the one who put the suicide narrative out into the world, her behavior afterward is highly suspect - she lawyered up, refused to speak with detectives and LEFT THE COUNTRY! Oh and her end of the story has been wildly inconsistent as well. She's spent far too much time trying to cash in, that's precisely why she did it, cuz she knew once he was dead his popularity would soar, and since she was such a devoted "caregiver/manager/common law wife" she clearly hoped this would all pay off. And it has.

    The above commenter "XO" from Los Angeles is clearly Jennifer pretending to be someone else. She's "suffered since" because her conscience is probably gnawing at her! She's guilty as hell, the LAPD dropped the ball and all they've got is circumstantial evidence, not enough to convict her, unless someone comes forward with the truth. Maybe one day she will confess to what she did, until then, it sucks to be her, because her reputation speaks for itself!

  • Elliott TCG fan

    Elliott TCG fan UK

    It’s taken me to the eve of elliott’s 50th birthday to listen to this episode. Nothing in it that I didn’t know but it was still hard to hear as I was such a fan of this guy. I don’t think we’ll ever know if it was murder or suicide, but at the end of the day, she pulled the knife out so she killed him. Thanks for covering this one guys. xo

    It’s taken me to the eve of elliott’s 50th birthday to listen to this episode. Nothing in it that I didn’t know but it was still hard to hear as I was such a fan of this guy. I don’t think we’ll ever know if it was murder or suicide, but at the end of the day, she pulled the knife out so she killed him. Thanks for covering this one guys. xo

  • Susan

    Susan Wayne, IL

    This breaks my heart. Good Will Hunting is one of my all time favorite movies, but I’ve not been able to watch it since Robin Williams’ suicide. Now with this story it’s doubly sad. Bless their souls

    This breaks my heart. Good Will Hunting is one of my all time favorite movies, but I’ve not been able to watch it since Robin Williams’ suicide. Now with this story it’s doubly sad. Bless their souls

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