JonBenet Ramsey ////// We have a kidnapping, hurry please!

23 comments

  • JC

    JC Raleigh

    B ecause this happened so long ago I wonder if we will ever know who did this horrible act. U nderstand I am not trying to be pessimistic here. R eally hate when parents are forced to have to suffer like this and just wish for closure. K ick it into get Boulder PD and and bring those responsible to justice, no matter how hard a fight or choice you have to make E liminate the Impossible D o your do diligence I nvestigate every clue again and again D on't give up on this case I n no way should you give up hope that you can bring the truth to light T rust me, it will not be easy but it is possible. Sorry this story just gets me right in the feelings, and it is a shame it is left in the shape it is in.

    B ecause this happened so long ago I wonder if we will ever know who did this horrible act.
    U nderstand I am not trying to be pessimistic here.
    R eally hate when parents are forced to have to suffer like this and just wish for closure.
    K ick it into get Boulder PD and and bring those responsible to justice, no matter how hard a fight or choice you have to make
    E liminate the Impossible

    D o your do diligence
    I nvestigate every clue again and again
    D on't give up on this case

    I n no way should you give up hope that you can bring the truth to light
    T rust me, it will not be easy but it is possible.

    Sorry this story just gets me right in the feelings, and it is a shame it is left in the shape it is in.

  • Sara

    Sara USA

    Too obvious, would've been better without the spaces.

    Too obvious, would've been better without the spaces.

  • Mandy

    Mandy Kentucky

    I disagree with people on the beginning of the 911 call that Patsy interrupts herself to say something different. My guess is John is there and she just gets distracted or she's pausing for breath, which she does often. Can't assume what she might have said with that pause. What I find weird in the call is her line "we have a kidnapping." I would think it would be my daughter is gone or someone took my daughter, or even child. She's so precise with her phrasing that it's weird. And my big issue with the Burke theory is if he did it, why lie? He was a child and it was an accident if it happened as people say. I think because the scene was trod all over by numerous people and John found Job Benet and moved her first before cops could view the scene, this case will never be solved unless someone admits to it. It's sad really.

    I disagree with people on the beginning of the 911 call that Patsy interrupts herself to say something different. My guess is John is there and she just gets distracted or she's pausing for breath, which she does often. Can't assume what she might have said with that pause. What I find weird in the call is her line "we have a kidnapping." I would think it would be my daughter is gone or someone took my daughter, or even child. She's so precise with her phrasing that it's weird. And my big issue with the Burke theory is if he did it, why lie? He was a child and it was an accident if it happened as people say.

    I think because the scene was trod all over by numerous people and John found Job Benet and moved her first before cops could view the scene, this case will never be solved unless someone admits to it. It's sad really.

  • SJ

    SJ OTHER parts unknown

    Thank you Gentlemen for taking on this case. This case has always been shrouded in mystery. Or maybe it was made to be that way. In defense of BPD, this was a high profile case. Their hands were tied by a" higher power"(DA's office perhaps ?) . On the get go the crime scene was deliberately contaminated by the Ramseys... 911 call was highly suspect. Was the 911 operator ever questioned ? She could have shed a lot of light as to what she heard.... Ransom note... No kidnapper would write a three page Ransom note.... They are going to be in a tearing hurry to leave the place giving minimum instructions ! Unless ...it's a cover up after the fact !! Can't wait to hear your views ... Btw ...I like the way Nic says... "reiterate"!!

    Thank you Gentlemen for taking on this case. This case has always been shrouded in mystery. Or maybe it was made to be that way.
    In defense of BPD, this was a high profile case. Their hands were tied by a" higher power"(DA's office perhaps ?) . On the get go the crime scene was deliberately contaminated by the Ramseys...
    911 call was highly suspect. Was the 911 operator ever questioned ? She could have shed a lot of light as to what she heard....
    Ransom note... No kidnapper would write a three page Ransom note.... They are going to be in a tearing hurry to leave the place giving minimum instructions ! Unless ...it's a cover up after the fact !!
    Can't wait to hear your views ...
    Btw ...I like the way Nic says... "reiterate"!!

  • Amelia

    Amelia NYC

    Just to say well done with the Jon Benet episodes- so well researched. You've got me hooked! xxx

    Just to say well done with the Jon Benet episodes- so well researched. You've got me hooked! xxx

  • Jenn

    Jenn Fort Lauderdale

    The brother obviously did it.

    The brother obviously did it.

  • Cathy

    Cathy Boston

    It seems that with the advances in dna technology that evidence could be re-examined to yield some answers. Was the tape around her mouth and garrot ever tested for touch dna? Hopefully item found on her have been preserved.

    It seems that with the advances in dna technology that evidence could be re-examined to yield some answers. Was the tape around her mouth and garrot ever tested for touch dna? Hopefully item found on her have been preserved.

  • Melanie

    Melanie Alide VA

    This was the first time I heard that they did in fact prep John Ramsey for the ransom call, and that they gathered the money like that would happen. Many opinions will lead you to believe everyone just stood around, disregarding that a ransom could be necessary.

    This was the first time I heard that they did in fact prep John Ramsey for the ransom call, and that they gathered the money like that would happen. Many opinions will lead you to believe everyone just stood around, disregarding that a ransom could be necessary.

  • Stacy

    Stacy Long Island

    As everyone else , always been interested in this case, I’ve read many things, watched docs etc . That being said, I’ve never heard the part where JonBenet told someone Santa was gonna visit her after Christmas . Gave me chills when you mentioned that so now I’m thinking , Maybe - who ever told her that, was at the Christmas party that night at the Ramsey house . They maybe call 911 to see a response time and they write the ransom note that night of the party from inside the house , no pressure on time so can write that lengthy note and can use the Ramseys own paper and pen. Would of been smart on their part only something happened the night they tried to Take her and had to leave her behind .... just some things I’ve been thinking since listening to these last episodes. I, like everyone else always have thought it was one of the Ramseys but you definitely got my mind thinking in other directions! Can’t wait for the next episode

    As everyone else , always been interested in this case, I’ve read many things, watched docs etc . That being said, I’ve never heard the part where JonBenet told someone Santa was gonna visit her after Christmas . Gave me chills when you mentioned that so now I’m thinking , Maybe - who ever told her that, was at the Christmas party that night at the Ramsey house . They maybe call 911 to see a response time and they write the ransom note that night of the party from inside the house , no pressure on time so can write that lengthy note and can use the Ramseys own paper and pen. Would of been smart on their part only something happened the night they tried to Take her and had to leave her behind .... just some things I’ve been thinking since listening to these last episodes. I, like everyone else always have thought it was one of the Ramseys but you definitely got my mind thinking in other directions! Can’t wait for the next episode

  • Ex childhood beauty queen

    Ex childhood beauty queen South Carolina

    This case may be “the case” that got me hooked on true crime. I was a childhood beauty queen competing in mostly natural, but some pro-am type pageants. I was no stranger to the sunburst or dreamGirl systems. My stepmother (who was a washed up queen similar to Patsy’s past) got me into it. I think it was much more common in the South. Many of my friends competed along side of me so it was almost like a “play dress up” hobby. I could go on and on about the damage it did or did not do. I will say this... if I had a daughter I would not allow her to do pageants. So when JonBenet was found murdered, my 12 year old self never let it go. I’m now a mother and I usually do have to turn off TCG when I hear of violence against children, but I had to listen to the story of JonBenet one more time. I’m no web sleuth, but I have researched this case a ton. I’ve had multiple theories throughout the years, but nothing ever stood out so dramatically as to when the guys read the Christmas letter Patsy wrote that year. I have never been so certain that she constructed the ransom note until I heard her Christmas letter read aloud. Patsy embellishes her language to tell a story and that is the same type of descriptive pattern of language used in the ransom. I don’t know what her circumstances were- maybe she thought if she fluffed the story up the authorities would make it a priority. Or maybe she had a gun held to her head I don’t know, but I don’t have to see the handwriting of the letter to know it was her. That ransom letter reminded so much of a story bio you’d write for a pageant (let me know if you need further clarification on what that is) and so did the Christmas letter. It stopped me in my tracks that I never realized how similar it was... I don’t know who killed little JonBenet, but Patsy wrote that damn ransom letter.

    This case may be “the case” that got me hooked on true crime. I was a childhood beauty queen competing in mostly natural, but some pro-am type pageants. I was no stranger to the sunburst or dreamGirl
    systems. My stepmother (who was a washed up queen similar to Patsy’s past) got me into it. I think it was much more common in the South. Many of my friends competed along side of me so it was almost like a “play dress up” hobby. I could go on and on about the damage it did or did not do. I will say this... if I had a daughter I would not allow her to do pageants.

    So when JonBenet was found murdered, my 12 year old self never let it go. I’m now a mother and I usually do have to turn off TCG when I hear of violence against children, but I had to listen to the story of JonBenet one more time. I’m no web sleuth, but I have researched this case a ton. I’ve had multiple theories throughout the years, but nothing ever stood out so dramatically as to when the guys read the Christmas letter Patsy wrote that year. I have never been so certain that she constructed the ransom note until I heard her Christmas letter read aloud. Patsy embellishes her language to tell a story and that is the same type of descriptive pattern of language used in the ransom. I don’t know what her circumstances were- maybe she thought if she fluffed the story up the authorities would make it a priority. Or maybe she had a gun held to her head I don’t know, but I don’t have to see the handwriting of the letter to know it was her.

    That ransom letter reminded so much of a story bio you’d write for a pageant (let me know if you need further clarification on what that is) and so did the Christmas letter. It stopped me in my tracks that I never realized how similar it was... I don’t know who killed little JonBenet, but Patsy wrote that damn ransom letter.

  • Richard

    Richard Iowa

    Ok I felt like I should get this down before I forget. After listening to these two episodes I have an idea of what happened. Sometime during the night JonBenet wakes up and either lets Santa in or Santa is already in the house. She has some pineapple before Santa takes her back up to her bedroom where he may have sexually assaulted her and then hit her on the head with something and leaves. In the morning Jon and Patsy get up and Patsy goes to wake Burke and JonBenet. She may have have woke Burke first then goes to wake JonBenet but finds her dead and screams. Jon hears the scream and comes running. I believe that at this point Jon suspect’s that it was Burke who killed JonBenet due to the golf club incident and maybe some things Burke had said and how he acted. They’ve lost JonBenet at this point and they didn’t want to lose Burke as well so Jon tells Patsy to write a ransom note and try to disguise her handwriting while he cleans JonBenet’s body and hides it trying to make it look like someone else murdered her. After Jon tells Patsy to call 911 while he tries to get Burke to admit to what he thinks he did. Unfortunately because they were trying to mistakenly protect Burke they destroyed all the evidence that could have led to the real killer.

    Ok I felt like I should get this down before I forget. After listening to these two episodes I have an idea of what happened. Sometime during the night JonBenet wakes up and either lets Santa in or Santa is already in the house. She has some pineapple before Santa takes her back up to her bedroom where he may have sexually assaulted her and then hit her on the head with something and leaves. In the morning Jon and Patsy get up and Patsy goes to wake Burke and JonBenet. She may have have woke Burke first then goes to wake JonBenet but finds her dead and screams. Jon hears the scream and comes running. I believe that at this point Jon suspect’s that it was Burke who killed JonBenet due to the golf club incident and maybe some things Burke had said and how he acted. They’ve lost JonBenet at this point and they didn’t want to lose Burke as well so Jon tells Patsy to write a ransom note and try to disguise her handwriting while he cleans JonBenet’s body and hides it trying to make it look like someone else murdered her. After Jon tells Patsy to call 911 while he tries to get Burke to admit to what he thinks he did.

    Unfortunately because they were trying to mistakenly protect Burke they destroyed all the evidence that could have led to the real killer.

  • DM

    DM UK

    Nic - an important point that often gets missed..... Who decided to call the police? According to John, it was him & Patsy went along with that in their first interview. But later when she was asked this same question without John present, she said it was her. At the very least it’s ambiguous. Which is important because whoever wrote that ransom note clearly did not want the police called. This case (imo) is easily solveable if you look again at two things that people seem to accept as fact....that it was John who wanted the police called (was it?) and that he has been “ruled out” as being the author of the ransom note (why - and who ruled him out?) Anyway, I expect you’ll get to that. Really looking forward to the next ep 🙂

    Nic - an important point that often gets missed.....

    Who decided to call the police? According to John, it was him & Patsy went along with that in their first interview. But later when she was asked this same question without John present, she said it was her.

    At the very least it’s ambiguous. Which is important because whoever wrote that ransom note clearly did not want the police called.

    This case (imo) is easily solveable if you look again at two things that people seem to accept as fact....that it was John who wanted the police called (was it?) and that he has been “ruled out” as being the author of the ransom note (why - and who ruled him out?)

    Anyway, I expect you’ll get to that. Really looking forward to the next ep 🙂

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Hello DM, I'm with you! The information I have says John told Patsy to call police and she did. That does not mean its 100% true. What is 100% is the author of the letter clearly wanted nothing to do with the police or at the least wanted it to appear that way. Cheers Nic

    Hello DM,
    I'm with you! The information I have says John told Patsy to call police and she did. That does not mean its 100% true. What is 100% is the author of the letter clearly wanted nothing to do with the police or at the least wanted it to appear that way.
    Cheers Nic

  • Todd

    Todd Atlanta

    I have listened to so many podcasts cover this case before and everytime I'm SCREAMING at my phone asking the same question and Nic, you FINALLY asked the question, "IF Burke was in fact asleep when the 911 call was made, then why the Hell did you not wake him up to see if he heard/saw anything???" Just this fact alone proves they're guilty in my eyes! You supposedly have a child kidnapped but you don't bother to wake up your other kid to see if they know anything????

    I have listened to so many podcasts cover this case before and everytime I'm SCREAMING at my phone asking the same question and Nic, you FINALLY asked the question, "IF Burke was in fact asleep when the 911 call was made, then why the Hell did you not wake him up to see if he heard/saw anything???" Just this fact alone proves they're guilty in my eyes! You supposedly have a child kidnapped but you don't bother to wake up your other kid to see if they know anything????

  • mG

    mG

    Burke killed her and the parents covered to spare him from wearing that for the rest of his life. Rich people like that are all about image and status. There is no other plausible explanation. They had two kids, now they have one, must protect what is left.

    Burke killed her and the parents covered to spare him from wearing that for the rest of his life. Rich people like that are all about image and status. There is no other plausible explanation. They had two kids, now they have one, must protect what is left.

  • mG

    mG

    Hey Captain, the 19th "crazy eyes" joke was 19 too many. Almost made the show unlistenable.

    Hey Captain, the 19th "crazy eyes" joke was 19 too many. Almost made the show unlistenable.

  • Nicholas

    Nicholas Parts Unkown

    I think the very first thing said in a 911 call often gives one a sense of what is the most important thing a person wants to communicate, whether that's the kind of help one needs or, in the case of the guilty, how one wants to put a diversionary spin on the authorities' perception of events. "We have a kidnapping!" is the most important thing that Patsy Ramsey wanted people to believe.

    I think the very first thing said in a 911 call often gives one a sense of what is the most important thing a person wants to communicate, whether that's the kind of help one needs or, in the case of the guilty, how one wants to put a diversionary spin on the authorities' perception of events.

    "We have a kidnapping!" is the most important thing that Patsy Ramsey wanted people to believe.

  • Shawna

    Shawna AZ

    I believe it was someone 2 or 3 degrees of separation from John Ramsey. A late teen/early twenty male who struggled with mental illness, was a "loser" who didn't have a job, college, friends or any prospects of any of the above. He likely watched television constantly and was involved in lots of porn. He is from the area/neighborhood, maybe even a member of their church congregation. Jon Benet' caught his eye, he probably stalked her. He probably toured their home over the Christmas tour. He very likely fantacized about a relationship with Jon Benet' and then when he finally got his hands on her he couldn't control himself and things went to far. That's when he went upstairs and wrote the note. That's why it started out frantic and became more legible. He was in a panic and also mentally ill. The letter was never about money. He was trying to convince himself that he didn't actually just kill this little girl. He's trying to convince himself and everyone else that he carried his fantasy of kidnapping and making her his. The Ramsey's were in a hurry to get away from that house of horrors. John didn't want his son or his distraught wife in the same house where their daughter was just murdered. They left their house open to the police and wanted to escape. I don't blame them one bit. In terms of Burk, he was 9. The Ramsey's didn't do it. There is strong evidence of an intruder AND the Boulder PD is a joke. They single handedly destroyed this case. If they wanted to, they could run DNA on her panties and run it through ancestral DNA. But Boulder PD ruined the case and any future possibility of solving it.

    I believe it was someone 2 or 3 degrees of separation from John Ramsey. A late teen/early twenty male who struggled with mental illness, was a "loser" who didn't have a job, college, friends or any prospects of any of the above. He likely watched television constantly and was involved in lots of porn. He is from the area/neighborhood, maybe even a member of their church congregation. Jon Benet' caught his eye, he probably stalked her. He probably toured their home over the Christmas tour. He very likely fantacized about a relationship with Jon Benet' and then when he finally got his hands on her he couldn't control himself and things went to far. That's when he went upstairs and wrote the note. That's why it started out frantic and became more legible. He was in a panic and also mentally ill. The letter was never about money. He was trying to convince himself that he didn't actually just kill this little girl. He's trying to convince himself and everyone else that he carried his fantasy of kidnapping and making her his. The Ramsey's were in a hurry to get away from that house of horrors. John didn't want his son or his distraught wife in the same house where their daughter was just murdered. They left their house open to the police and wanted to escape. I don't blame them one bit. In terms of Burk, he was 9. The Ramsey's didn't do it. There is strong evidence of an intruder AND the Boulder PD is a joke. They single handedly destroyed this case. If they wanted to, they could run DNA on her panties and run it through ancestral DNA. But Boulder PD ruined the case and any future possibility of solving it.

  • Kyle

    Kyle Wales

    The Captain has excelled himself with the music for this series. Never before have Christmas bells been so ominous.

    The Captain has excelled himself with the music for this series. Never before have Christmas bells been so ominous.

  • Wendy

    Wendy Victoria Australia

    Here in Australia, when you ring 000, our version of 911, you are asked " police, fire or ambulance" and your address first before what is going on. Asking first for help suggested to me that she is innocent. Also probably the dad would be scouring the house, outside checking the garden etc. Love you guys

    Here in Australia, when you ring 000, our version of 911, you are asked " police, fire or ambulance" and your address first before what is going on.

    Asking first for help suggested to me that she is innocent. Also probably the dad would be scouring the house, outside checking the garden etc.

    Love you guys

  • AJ

    AJ Parts Unknown

    First off, just discovered your podcast about two weeks ago. Love your jib. I was a 9-1-1 dispatcher for close to ten years and I listened to the 9-1-1 call audio at the begin of this episode multiple times. I don't believe the 9-1-1 dispatcher says "what's your name; are you Kat.." (or something that sounds like the first part of the name Kathy) To my ears it sounds like the 9-1-1 dispatcher is cutoff at the first syllable which could be interpreted as a "K" or a "P" sound. Just for thought, the 9-1-1 dispatcher should have been able to view basic caller ID information (address, phone number, and name of person(s) registered on the account with phone company) when the call was answered. So it's probable that the 9-1-1 dispatcher was looking at the caller ID information when she begins to ask "what's your name, are you...". At the end of the call, the inaudible voices before the call disconnects; to me it sounds like voice in the background at the callers location. However, it could also be background noise in the 9-1-1- dispatch center. Back in the 1990's 9-1-1 dispatchers typically used headsets with a thin microphone that extends from the ear piece down towards the persons mouth. Depending on the quality of the headset and the acoustics in the 9-1-1 dispatch center all kinds of background noise and voices could be captured on that recording. From what I could hear in the audio clip of the 9-1-1 call, I got the impression that the 9-1-1 dispatcher was typing the call information into their computer aided dispatch system, but I did not hear anything that would sound like the 9-1-1 dispatcher was simultaneously dispatching the call on the radio frequency while on the phone. In large 9-1-1 call centers its common to divide the workload between call takers and dispatchers. The call taker answers the 9-1-1 calls and types the information into a computer aided dispatch system. The Dispatcher then radios the call for service to the appropriate units (police, fire, EMS, etc.) based on the information entered into the computer system. With all that activity in a 9-1-1 call center it's common to have background noise captured on the recording of a call and that noise becomes more apparent when the caller drops off. The 9-1-1 call center's recording system could also have been programmed to continue the recording for a set number of seconds after both phone lines disconnect, hence picking up background noise in the dispatch center. Thank you for your Podcasts, keep being awesome! P.S. Have you tried New Holland Brewery (Holland, MI) beers yet? https://www.newhollandbrew.com/home/

    First off, just discovered your podcast about two weeks ago. Love your jib.
    I was a 9-1-1 dispatcher for close to ten years and I listened to the 9-1-1 call audio at the begin of this episode multiple times.
    I don't believe the 9-1-1 dispatcher says "what's your name; are you Kat.." (or something that sounds like the first part of the name Kathy)
    To my ears it sounds like the 9-1-1 dispatcher is cutoff at the first syllable which could be interpreted as a "K" or a "P" sound.
    Just for thought, the 9-1-1 dispatcher should have been able to view basic caller ID information (address, phone number, and name of person(s) registered on the account with phone company) when the call was answered.
    So it's probable that the 9-1-1 dispatcher was looking at the caller ID information when she begins to ask "what's your name, are you...".

    At the end of the call, the inaudible voices before the call disconnects; to me it sounds like voice in the background at the callers location. However, it could also be background noise in the 9-1-1- dispatch center. Back in the 1990's 9-1-1 dispatchers typically used headsets with a thin microphone that extends from the ear piece down towards the persons mouth. Depending on the quality of the headset and the acoustics in the 9-1-1 dispatch center all kinds of background noise and voices could be captured on that recording.

    From what I could hear in the audio clip of the 9-1-1 call, I got the impression that the 9-1-1 dispatcher was typing the call information into their computer aided dispatch system, but I did not hear anything that would sound like the 9-1-1 dispatcher was simultaneously dispatching the call on the radio frequency while on the phone. In large 9-1-1 call centers its common to divide the workload between call takers and dispatchers. The call taker answers the 9-1-1 calls and types the information into a computer aided dispatch system. The Dispatcher then radios the call for service to the appropriate units (police, fire, EMS, etc.) based on the information entered into the computer system. With all that activity in a 9-1-1 call center it's common to have background noise captured on the recording of a call and that noise becomes more apparent when the caller drops off. The 9-1-1 call center's recording system could also have been programmed to continue the recording for a set number of seconds after both phone lines disconnect, hence picking up background noise in the dispatch center.
    Thank you for your Podcasts, keep being awesome!

    P.S. Have you tried New Holland Brewery (Holland, MI) beers yet? https://www.newhollandbrew.com/home/

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Love New Holland - thanks AJ! Nic

    Love New Holland - thanks AJ!
    Nic

  • alex

    alex BC

    John Ramsey originally hid the body and he was planning to remove it from the house. Where was he when he was unaccounted for by the detective for more than an hour? Did his original plan had to change when the police told him he would not be flying out of Boulder that morning? and who does that? you are in the middle of your worst nightmare and you call your pilot to do your check-in? Would YOU do that? Imagine for a minute: what if the parents had been poor and members of a racial minority? hate to bring this up, but I am sure things would have been different.

    John Ramsey originally hid the body and he was planning to remove it from the house. Where was he when he was unaccounted for by the detective for more than an hour? Did his original plan had to change when the police told him he would not be flying out of Boulder that morning? and who does that? you are in the middle of your worst nightmare and you call your pilot to do your check-in? Would YOU do that?
    Imagine for a minute: what if the parents had been poor and members of a racial minority? hate to bring this up, but I am sure things would have been different.

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