Joshua Guimond ////// 47

Joshua Guimond ////// 47 

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November 9, 2002 Joshua Guimond was at a party with friends. Some time between the hours of 11 o'clock and midnight he left. Some thought maybe to use the restroom others said maybe he went home to his apartment across the St. John's University campus but we may never know. He should have returned to the party or had he left he would have walked about three minutes to his apartment but he was never seen again. Joshua's father spent countless hours searching for his son and most of that on the 2700 acres that is the St. John's University campus. Tonight we ask ourselves what happened to Joshua? 

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34 comments

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous USA

    I was fascinated with episode 47. Thank you. Please visit behindthepinecurtain.com for information on St. John's University. A search of the site using the search box on the right hand side will provide a lot of new info and correct a few factual mistakes that were made in episode 47. Searches of Joshua Guimond, Bruce Wollmering, and Jacob Wetterling will bring up a lot of info. More than you might want as it will lead to more questions and many other subjects. I attended and graduated from St. John's. I was not abused or treated inappropriately and enjoyed my college experience. I was told by victims of a couple incidents of inappropriate sexual behavior by Monks and Priests in my time at SJU. I knew Abbot John Klassen and Fr. Dan Ward personally and spent time with them on many occasions. I have nothing negative to say about them from my personal interactions. I do believe the way in which St. John's University and the Monastery has addressed abuse and inappropriate sexual behavior by members of the SJU community in the past up to the present is criminal as well as amoral. I also believe that people deserve to be treated as innocent until proven guilty and we all should be careful to stick to factual information and be committed to accurately discussing these facts. There were a few minor errors in episode 47 associated with named individuals. Accessing behindthepinecurtain.com will allow these minor errors to be corrected. Thank you again for providing this subject a wider audience.

    I was fascinated with episode 47. Thank you.

    Please visit behindthepinecurtain.com for information on St. John's University. A search of the site using the search box on the right hand side will provide a lot of new info and correct a few factual mistakes that were made in episode 47. Searches of Joshua Guimond, Bruce Wollmering, and Jacob Wetterling will bring up a lot of info. More than you might want as it will lead to more questions and many other subjects.

    I attended and graduated from St. John's. I was not abused or treated inappropriately and enjoyed my college experience. I was told by victims of a couple incidents of inappropriate sexual behavior by Monks and Priests in my time at SJU. I knew Abbot John Klassen and Fr. Dan Ward personally and spent time with them on many occasions. I have nothing negative to say about them from my personal interactions. I do believe the way in which St. John's University and the Monastery has addressed abuse and inappropriate sexual behavior by members of the SJU community in the past up to the present is criminal as well as amoral.

    I also believe that people deserve to be treated as innocent until proven guilty and we all should be careful to stick to factual information and be committed to accurately discussing these facts. There were a few minor errors in episode 47 associated with named individuals. Accessing behindthepinecurtain.com will allow these minor errors to be corrected.

    Thank you again for providing this subject a wider audience.

  • Cassie

    Cassie Szczotka

    Hi guys ! Don't stop the podcast during football. Regarding this episode were cell phones not considered or even around yet? Chivette Cassie

    Hi guys ! Don't stop the podcast during football. Regarding this episode were cell phones not considered or even around yet?
    Chivette Cassie

  • Mirre

    Mirre Amsterdam, the Netherlands

    I love your podcast and have been binge listening this past week. I have listened to your Joey LaBute and your Brian Shaffer podcasts. I would like to point out that young men drowning after a spending time in a bar or at a party, is a world wide phenomenon. An average of 15 people drown each year in the canals of Amsterdam, many of them young men who disappeared after a night out. Alcohol and water don't mix well. Emptying your bladder when intoxicated can cause a sudden drop in blood pressure which can cause dizziness and/or a black-out. When the water is cold and there is no easy way to get out of the water, hypothermia may knock you unconcious in a very short time. You can end up falling in the water and drowning even if you are only mildly intoxicated and a good swimmer. I am definitely not an expert on tracking dogs, but as I understand it they can only pick up a scent and follow it very shortly after a person disappears. I don't think that months after the event, a tracking dog can give you any reliable information about the path Joshua took that night. I am not saying that accidental drowning is the reason for all three disappearances, but I do think that in the case of Joshua it is very likely that this is what happened to him. Keep up the good work.

    I love your podcast and have been binge listening this past week. I have listened to your Joey LaBute and your Brian Shaffer podcasts. I would like to point out that young men drowning after a spending time in a bar or at a party, is a world wide phenomenon. An average of 15 people drown each year in the canals of Amsterdam, many of them young men who disappeared after a night out. Alcohol and water don't mix well. Emptying your bladder when intoxicated can cause a sudden drop in blood pressure which can cause dizziness and/or a black-out. When the water is cold and there is no easy way to get out of the water, hypothermia may knock you unconcious in a very short time. You can end up falling in the water and drowning even if you are only mildly intoxicated and a good swimmer.

    I am definitely not an expert on tracking dogs, but as I understand it they can only pick up a scent and follow it very shortly after a person disappears. I don't think that months after the event, a tracking dog can give you any reliable information about the path Joshua took that night.

    I am not saying that accidental drowning is the reason for all three disappearances, but I do think that in the case of Joshua it is very likely that this is what happened to him.

    Keep up the good work.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Cassie We will try not to stop Captain

    Cassie
    We will try not to stop

    Captain

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Anonymous This case was hard to cover because the main amount of information we found was through blogs and most couldn't be backed up. So we just tried to toss out many of the ideas. Thanks for listening and sharing with us. If we can get more people talking about this case maybe we can get answers. Much love Captain

    Anonymous

    This case was hard to cover because the main amount of information we found was through blogs and most couldn't be backed up. So we just tried to toss out many of the ideas. Thanks for listening and sharing with us. If we can get more people talking about this case maybe we can get answers. Much love

    Captain

  • Maddie

    Maddie Washington

    Seriously love your pod cast. You guys had me LOL'ing at your description of your new bra from third love. I cant get enough!!

    Seriously love your pod cast.

    You guys had me LOL'ing at your description of your new bra from third love. I cant get enough!!

  • Sarah

    Sarah Mansfield, TX

    Hi guys, I was an undergraduate at the University of Wisconsin- Eau Claire at the time Josh Guimond went missing. I remember being very paranoid that something strange was going on, because there were multiple disappearances/drownings of college-aged men in MN and the midwest (Josh, Chris Jenkins, Scott Radel, etc.) all within a relatively close time-frame in 2001-2003. An interesting case that never seemed to be associated with the rest was that of Michael Noll, who went missing from Eau Claire, WI on Nov. 6th, 2002. He was with his friends celebrating his birthday and then disappeared from the group. His body was discovered the following spring in Half-Moon lake, which was about a block from my apartment at the time. What was really strange about his case was that the evening he went missing, an elderly woman who lived quite a distance away (near the Chippewa River) reported an intoxicated man trying to get into her home. He left behind a hat, which was later determined to be Michael's. She said he was very intoxicated and confused. What baffles me is how someone who is that drunk and confused manage to walk 10-15 blocks away and then stumble into a lake and drown. As intoxicated as he was reported to be, it seems unlikely that he managed to escape the Chippewa River only to walk across town and fall into a small lake. There were a few other drownings during that time in the Chippewa River, but Noll's case always struck me as very odd and disturbing, especially in light of Joshua going missing a few days later, and Chris going missing a short time prior. Eau Claire is about an hour and a half from the twin cities area, straight up I-94. The police never formally linked his case to any of those, and his death was ruled accidental fresh-water drowning. Collegville is not far from St. Joseph, MN where Jacob Wetterling disappeared, and it's close to the twin cities and St. Cloud University where Scott Radel went missing and drowned under mysterious circumstances. I'm intrigued. Let's keep digging!

    Hi guys,
    I was an undergraduate at the University of Wisconsin- Eau Claire at the time Josh Guimond went missing. I remember being very paranoid that something strange was going on, because there were multiple disappearances/drownings of college-aged men in MN and the midwest (Josh, Chris Jenkins, Scott Radel, etc.) all within a relatively close time-frame in 2001-2003. An interesting case that never seemed to be associated with the rest was that of Michael Noll, who went missing from Eau Claire, WI on Nov. 6th, 2002. He was with his friends celebrating his birthday and then disappeared from the group. His body was discovered the following spring in Half-Moon lake, which was about a block from my apartment at the time. What was really strange about his case was that the evening he went missing, an elderly woman who lived quite a distance away (near the Chippewa River) reported an intoxicated man trying to get into her home. He left behind a hat, which was later determined to be Michael's. She said he was very intoxicated and confused. What baffles me is how someone who is that drunk and confused manage to walk 10-15 blocks away and then stumble into a lake and drown. As intoxicated as he was reported to be, it seems unlikely that he managed to escape the Chippewa River only to walk across town and fall into a small lake. There were a few other drownings during that time in the Chippewa River, but Noll's case always struck me as very odd and disturbing, especially in light of Joshua going missing a few days later, and Chris going missing a short time prior. Eau Claire is about an hour and a half from the twin cities area, straight up I-94. The police never formally linked his case to any of those, and his death was ruled accidental fresh-water drowning.
    Collegville is not far from St. Joseph, MN where Jacob Wetterling disappeared, and it's close to the twin cities and St. Cloud University where Scott Radel went missing and drowned under mysterious circumstances. I'm intrigued. Let's keep digging!

  • Kirstin

    Kirstin Columbus, Ohio

    I'm actually really curious about some of your sources. I really love listening to you guys, but you were right. This is a really small case. I'd like to see the wording. I studied journalism, and there are subtle hints that they put in to an article that would help narrow down a little more. I'm actually really interested in these disappearances and other things going on.

    I'm actually really curious about some of your sources. I really love listening to you guys, but you were right. This is a really small case. I'd like to see the wording.
    I studied journalism, and there are subtle hints that they put in to an article that would help narrow down a little more. I'm actually really interested in these disappearances and other things going on.

  • Chris Neuwirth

    Chris Neuwirth 15 Miles outside of Collegeville MN

    Hey guys, I grew up in St. Cloud Minnesota which is right outside of Collegeville. Loved listening to this case as it's one I have been fascinated with for quite awhile. As someone else mentioned I would recommend looking at www.behindthepinecurtain.com - it has an extensive history of cases related to St. Johns. I will jump back on here and post more info once I get home from work, keep it up guys!

    Hey guys, I grew up in St. Cloud Minnesota which is right outside of Collegeville. Loved listening to this case as it's one I have been fascinated with for quite awhile. As someone else mentioned I would recommend looking at www.behindthepinecurtain.com - it has an extensive history of cases related to St. Johns. I will jump back on here and post more info once I get home from work, keep it up guys!

  • Deb

    Deb Fort Myers, Florida

    I really enjoy your podcasts. I was wondering if you had heard of the books by David Paulides, the Missing 411 Series. His latest book, Missing 411 - a Sobering Coincidence, talks specifically about missing young men who have disappeared. I think this person was in the book, as well as other people who went missing in the area, and many other areas as well. He talks about some other research that was published in a book called Case Studies in Drowning Forensics by Kevin Gannon and D. Lee Gilbertson, which looks at the possibility of a group of killers committing this type of crime across the country. David Paulides's books are an interesting starting point for many missing persons. He originally started writing about the amount of people who were going missing in national parks. Much of his research is shallow, but certainly provides a starting point to look into many many cases. Thanks again for the great podcasts.

    I really enjoy your podcasts. I was wondering if you had heard of the books by David Paulides, the Missing 411 Series. His latest book, Missing 411 - a Sobering Coincidence, talks specifically about missing young men who have disappeared. I think this person was in the book, as well as other people who went missing in the area, and many other areas as well. He talks about some other research that was published in a book called Case Studies in Drowning Forensics by Kevin Gannon and D. Lee Gilbertson, which looks at the possibility of a group of killers committing this type of crime across the country. David Paulides's books are an interesting starting point for many missing persons. He originally started writing about the amount of people who were going missing in national parks. Much of his research is shallow, but certainly provides a starting point to look into many many cases. Thanks again for the great podcasts.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Deb I have looked into his work. So much to uncover there. Thanks Captain

    Deb
    I have looked into his work. So much to uncover there. Thanks

    Captain

  • Pam

    Pam Maryland

    Wow, just wow. First time listener, life time subscriber. I listened to this episode last week and I have been down many rabbit holes ever since. I am currently 600 pages deep into the shenanigans of one of the monks who was there at the time of Joshua's disappearance. He died in 2009 but what gets me is his autopsy report. He died from an "accidental fall" but he has 2 broken ribs, one of which pierced his liver, and multiple head and facial lacerations, hematomas and other such trauma on BOTH sides of his head. I am not a CT-er by any means, but I am really scratching my head over this whole case and the ever-expanding nature of it. Oh, and lucky for you guys, I am an Amazon-obsessed consumer. You truly have no idea, lol. Thanks for a terrific podcast and here's to a long term relationship!

    Wow, just wow. First time listener, life time subscriber. I listened to this episode last week and I have been down many rabbit holes ever since. I am currently 600 pages deep into the shenanigans of one of the monks who was there at the time of Joshua's disappearance. He died in 2009 but what gets me is his autopsy report. He died from an "accidental fall" but he has 2 broken ribs, one of which pierced his liver, and multiple head and facial lacerations, hematomas and other such trauma on BOTH sides of his head. I am not a CT-er by any means, but I am really scratching my head over this whole case and the ever-expanding nature of it.

    Oh, and lucky for you guys, I am an Amazon-obsessed consumer. You truly have no idea, lol. Thanks for a terrific podcast and here's to a long term relationship!

  • Tim

    Tim Chino Hills, Ca

    Another great episode guys. The Captain’s trailer was masterful. However, I don’t get the whole Catholic Church Molestation Scandal tie in. For starters the scandals which raged through the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s were related to child molestation. Although I am devout Christian and not a Catholic, I would think Joshua being out spoken about the scandals would be the default positions expected for a member of the Catholic congregation. These scandals cost the Catholic church over 2.5 billion dollars nationwide, brought shame to the clergy, and revealed a pattern and practice of cover-up by the administrative structure of the church that is both shameful and criminal. Although it is frustrating that few criminal charges were filed or prosecuted in these scandals, it should be noted that this was due not to a lack of desire to do so. While Bishops and Cardinals shuffled priests to cover their indiscretions, likely tolerating it because of their own skeletons in the closet, faithful parishioners refused to believe or were ground in the cogs of bureaucracy. All the while statues of limitations on the crimes involved ran up, making it impossible to prosecute the offenders. In the late 90’s a wave of new laws extending the statute of limitations both criminally and civilly swept the nations jurisdictions. “Were it not for expired statutes of limitations — which often ran out before young victims could report their abusers to authorities or even understand the full consequences of those attacks — many of these men might have faced prison, not retirement. That escape hatch closed in 1996, when New Jersey eliminated the time limit for criminal charges.” - Excerpt from an editorial in the Star Ledger November 05, 2013 http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2013/11/extend_statute_of_limitations.html While I would never want to be confused for a defenders of the Catholic faith as I have problems with their doctrine and practices, I do think it should be noted that child molesters are found anywhere that children are founds; churches, schools, boy scouts, karate classes, music classes, public parks, next door, and unfortunately sometimes even the next room. Here in California a young girl named Megan suffered a cruel death leading to a law that allows us to see just how bad it is; here’s my neighborhood: https://twitter.com/1Tim6_1/status/751515708387799041 According to the media reports that I read, the Sheriff’s department used hounds a couple of days after which lead to a lake in the area. Subsequently, Joshua’s family (father) brought in a hound dog in December which followed a trail to the monastery. The idea that a scent could be followed this long after doesn’t pass the smell test right from the start. If trails last that long, perhaps that was the trails from the Sunday before he went missing when he attended a service in that building. In April the following year the Sheriff’s Department brought in cadaver dogs, who marked hits on the lake. The media report can be found here: https://twitter.com/1Tim6_1/status/770121741544853505 and continued here: https://twitter.com/1Tim6_1/status/770122876431237120 Note that there is a timeline at the bottom of this page which outlines the searches. Additional Mentions of the Dog Controversy can be found here: https://twitter.com/1Tim6_1/status/770131097623621632 I would assume that the connection between Joshua’s disappearance and molestation scandals has developed out of the theory developed by a professor at Saint John’s who has declared himself a self-taught criminologist. He believes that Joshua’s disappearance is related to the 1989 kidnapping of a 10-year-old boy, Jacob Wetterling. An account of his disappearance can be found here: https://twitter.com/1Tim6_1/status/770124814908526592 Some of the Professor’s thoughts can be found here: https://twitter.com/1Tim6_1/status/770129119514357760 I especially love this quote: “After reading books, it seems to me this is foul play and the motive was sexual,” Immelman said. The full context can be found here: https://twitter.com/1Tim6_1/status/770133272143794177 From all my research one thing was clear; Joshua’s father Brian Guimond was not satisfied waiting around for the Sheriff’s department to do their jobs. I can totally understand his feelings, I myself would likely be heading to the campus clock tower to do my best Charles Whitman impersonation if I sent my son to a college and he just disappeared. (Don’t look him up if you don’t know its likely inappropriate even though it likely accurate illustrates the sentiment of a father in that position.) However, police work takes time in some cases and can be enormously complicated in cases where there no real evidence. Often times running afoul of an investigation can be damaging to the actual investigation and Mr. Guimond seemed to waste no time beginning his own investigation and searches. According to the media reports, in addition to searching the lakes the Sheriff’s department conducted searches of the campus buildings, interviewed 60 witnesses, worked with the FBI and the state Bureau of Investigations, and had the Governor mobilize National Guard. It is not exactly like they were dragging their feet. They did not discount the connection with the other four young people that disappeared in the area, they consulted with the FBI on the possibility. For perspective on Joshua’s path see here. Joshua lived at #17 and was last seen leaving #45. The Abbey Church would be #3. http://www.csbsju.edu/about/at-a-glance/sju-campus-map Joshua is gone and the direction the scant amount of evidence is pointing is being looked at as well as other possibilities. But instead of giving them time to develop leads, they are discussing the validity of a hound search conducted at least 40 days after the disappearance. The idea that a roaming predator happened upon Joshua on a college campus near midnight seems to be very unlikely and if that is the case he or his remains could be anywhere with no evidence to link anyone to the crime. The other opinion would be someone on campus killed him. It’s easy to say it was wayward priest wanting to conceal a secret, but with a twenty-year-old man, what would the secret really be. This is not even mentioning that all accounts of Joshua are that he is a strong leader which is not the profile a predator targets. Perhaps a scorned member of Mock Trial Team that would go on to play for the Opera or a co-captain of the team who helps to lead them through that regionals, but is quietly replaced by the time the National roll around. Or the replacement who aspires for bigger things before graduating sumo cum laude from his Law School and becoming a Chicago City Attorney. Any of these individuals could have had motives ascribed to them that would be just as if not more legitimate than “Joshua was out spoken about the molestation scandals.” While I have no idea what happened to Joshua, in the end I cannot help but think about a movie I saw almost 3 decades ago, called “Permanent Record”. It is not a particularly good movie or ground breaking, it is more like an after school special. It follows the life of a young man as he tries to pick up the pieces after his friend killed himself. While the movie does not tell us anything about why the suicide occurred, as the victim was successful, bright, popular, and had everything going for him, it does tell us one thing; that at least 15 years before Joshua’s death the phenomenon of popular kids with seemingly everything going for them, taking their own lives without warning or without a note existed. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095853/?ref_=nv_sr_1 In closing, I would like to comment on some of the statements related to religion. The concept of forgiving taught by Jesus does not absolve an individual from the punishment by the law. Sin is defined as an act which separate one from God. Forgiveness of that sin returns one to God. Much is made about this act or that act, but it is important to understand that in the context indicated above the act of lying about your neighbor and cheating on your wife are the same. Both separate one from God although neither may actually harm another individual. Jesus told us to forgive people who sin against us to follow the example that he set for us. However, that forgiveness does not mean that the individual is free from the punishment the governing authorities determine. The forgiveness we grant free us from the burden of that sin on our lives. The members of the Catholic Church who were hiding the pedophiles were not doing it for any reason describe in their doctrine or mine. They were doing it for themselves. For those who love true crime and are tolerate of Christian concepts, a LAPD Cold Case Detective J. Warner Wallace happened to speak at the church I attend today, perhaps by divine revelation. There will likely be a video version available soon, but the audio version can be found here. Calvary Chapel Chino Hills http://www.calvarycch.org/media_center.php?audio=1&p=GSX&s=599 Anyone enjoying true crime would appreciate the first 20 minutes. Stay Golden, Tim

    Another great episode guys. The Captain’s trailer was masterful.

    However, I don’t get the whole Catholic Church Molestation Scandal tie in. For starters the scandals which raged through the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s were related to child molestation. Although I am devout Christian and not a Catholic, I would think Joshua being out spoken about the scandals would be the default positions expected for a member of the Catholic congregation. These scandals cost the Catholic church over 2.5 billion dollars nationwide, brought shame to the clergy, and revealed a pattern and practice of cover-up by the administrative structure of the church that is both shameful and criminal.

    Although it is frustrating that few criminal charges were filed or prosecuted in these scandals, it should be noted that this was due not to a lack of desire to do so. While Bishops and Cardinals shuffled priests to cover their indiscretions, likely tolerating it because of their own skeletons in the closet, faithful parishioners refused to believe or were ground in the cogs of bureaucracy. All the while statues of limitations on the crimes involved ran up, making it impossible to prosecute the offenders. In the late 90’s a wave of new laws extending the statute of limitations both criminally and civilly swept the nations jurisdictions.

    “Were it not for expired statutes of limitations — which often ran out before young victims could report their abusers to authorities or even understand the full consequences of those attacks — many of these men might have faced prison, not retirement. That escape hatch closed in 1996, when New Jersey eliminated the time limit for criminal charges.”

    - Excerpt from an editorial in the Star Ledger November 05, 2013 http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2013/11/extend_statute_of_limitations.html

    While I would never want to be confused for a defenders of the Catholic faith as I have problems with their doctrine and practices, I do think it should be noted that child molesters are found anywhere that children are founds; churches, schools, boy scouts, karate classes, music classes, public parks, next door, and unfortunately sometimes even the next room. Here in California a young girl named Megan suffered a cruel death leading to a law that allows us to see just how bad it is; here’s my neighborhood:

    https://twitter.com/1Tim6_1/status/751515708387799041

    According to the media reports that I read, the Sheriff’s department used hounds a couple of days after which lead to a lake in the area. Subsequently, Joshua’s family (father) brought in a hound dog in December which followed a trail to the monastery. The idea that a scent could be followed this long after doesn’t pass the smell test right from the start. If trails last that long, perhaps that was the trails from the Sunday before he went missing when he attended a service in that building. In April the following year the Sheriff’s Department brought in cadaver dogs, who marked hits on the lake. The media report can be found here:

    https://twitter.com/1Tim6_1/status/770121741544853505

    and continued here:

    https://twitter.com/1Tim6_1/status/770122876431237120

    Note that there is a timeline at the bottom of this page which outlines the searches.
    Additional Mentions of the Dog Controversy can be found here:

    https://twitter.com/1Tim6_1/status/770131097623621632

    I would assume that the connection between Joshua’s disappearance and molestation scandals has developed out of the theory developed by a professor at Saint John’s who has declared himself a self-taught criminologist. He believes that Joshua’s disappearance is related to the 1989 kidnapping of a 10-year-old boy, Jacob Wetterling.
    An account of his disappearance can be found here:

    https://twitter.com/1Tim6_1/status/770124814908526592

    Some of the Professor’s thoughts can be found here:

    https://twitter.com/1Tim6_1/status/770129119514357760

    I especially love this quote:

    “After reading books, it seems to me this is foul play and the motive was sexual,” Immelman said.
    The full context can be found here:

    https://twitter.com/1Tim6_1/status/770133272143794177

    From all my research one thing was clear; Joshua’s father Brian Guimond was not satisfied waiting around for the Sheriff’s department to do their jobs. I can totally understand his feelings, I myself would likely be heading to the campus clock tower to do my best Charles Whitman impersonation if I sent my son to a college and he just disappeared. (Don’t look him up if you don’t know its likely inappropriate even though it likely accurate illustrates the sentiment of a father in that position.) However, police work takes time in some cases and can be enormously complicated in cases where there no real evidence. Often times running afoul of an investigation can be damaging to the actual investigation and Mr. Guimond seemed to waste no time beginning his own investigation and searches. According to the media reports, in addition to searching the lakes the Sheriff’s department conducted searches of the campus buildings, interviewed 60 witnesses, worked with the FBI and the state Bureau of Investigations, and had the Governor mobilize National Guard. It is not exactly like they were dragging their feet. They did not discount the connection with the other four young people that disappeared in the area, they consulted with the FBI on the possibility.

    For perspective on Joshua’s path see here. Joshua lived at #17 and was last seen leaving #45. The Abbey Church would be #3.

    http://www.csbsju.edu/about/at-a-glance/sju-campus-map

    Joshua is gone and the direction the scant amount of evidence is pointing is being looked at as well as other possibilities. But instead of giving them time to develop leads, they are discussing the validity of a hound search conducted at least 40 days after the disappearance.

    The idea that a roaming predator happened upon Joshua on a college campus near midnight seems to be very unlikely and if that is the case he or his remains could be anywhere with no evidence to link anyone to the crime.
    The other opinion would be someone on campus killed him. It’s easy to say it was wayward priest wanting to conceal a secret, but with a twenty-year-old man, what would the secret really be. This is not even mentioning that all accounts of Joshua are that he is a strong leader which is not the profile a predator targets.

    Perhaps a scorned member of Mock Trial Team that would go on to play for the Opera or a co-captain of the team who helps to lead them through that regionals, but is quietly replaced by the time the National roll around. Or the replacement who aspires for bigger things before graduating sumo cum laude from his Law School and becoming a Chicago City Attorney. Any of these individuals could have had motives ascribed to them that would be just as if not more legitimate than “Joshua was out spoken about the molestation scandals.”

    While I have no idea what happened to Joshua, in the end I cannot help but think about a movie I saw almost 3 decades ago, called “Permanent Record”. It is not a particularly good movie or ground breaking, it is more like an after school special. It follows the life of a young man as he tries to pick up the pieces after his friend killed himself. While the movie does not tell us anything about why the suicide occurred, as the victim was successful, bright, popular, and had everything going for him, it does tell us one thing; that at least 15 years before Joshua’s death the phenomenon of popular kids with seemingly everything going for them, taking their own lives without warning or without a note existed.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095853/?ref_=nv_sr_1

    In closing, I would like to comment on some of the statements related to religion. The concept of forgiving taught by Jesus does not absolve an individual from the punishment by the law. Sin is defined as an act which separate one from God. Forgiveness of that sin returns one to God.

    Much is made about this act or that act, but it is important to understand that in the context indicated above the act of lying about your neighbor and cheating on your wife are the same. Both separate one from God although neither may actually harm another individual.

    Jesus told us to forgive people who sin against us to follow the example that he set for us. However, that forgiveness does not mean that the individual is free from the punishment the governing authorities determine. The forgiveness we grant free us from the burden of that sin on our lives.

    The members of the Catholic Church who were hiding the pedophiles were not doing it for any reason describe in their doctrine or mine. They were doing it for themselves.

    For those who love true crime and are tolerate of Christian concepts, a LAPD Cold Case Detective J. Warner Wallace happened to speak at the church I attend today, perhaps by divine revelation.

    There will likely be a video version available soon, but the audio version can be found here.
    Calvary Chapel Chino Hills

    http://www.calvarycch.org/media_center.php?audio=1&p=GSX&s=599

    Anyone enjoying true crime would appreciate the first 20 minutes.

    Stay Golden,
    Tim

  • Pam

    Pam Maryland

    Tim, You missed the entire point about the abuse. The association with Catholic child abuse is twofold. One is it was going on at the monastery right on that campus. So did Joshua fall victim to abuse which led further and ended in harm? Two is Joshua was actually investigating this abuse at the time of his disappearance. There was substantial cover up of the activities of the many monks who were involved in sexual abuse, according to the lawsuits filed. One in particular was quite active at the time of Joshua's stint at the school. The idea that it doesn't/didn't occur because the victims were 20 years old is ludicrous. Just read the depositions filed over monks on that campus. If Joshua was outspoken about the abuse, that doesn't do much for enrollment at the school, does it? Depending on where his research was leading him, there is quite evidently a possible motive for wanting him to shut up. I would love to see your sources, however your links to twitter result in articles entirely too small for my ancient eyes to read. Do us all a favor and use appbox or some other program so we can actually read the articles to which you have linked.

    Tim,
    You missed the entire point about the abuse. The association with Catholic child abuse is twofold. One is it was going on at the monastery right on that campus. So did Joshua fall victim to abuse which led further and ended in harm? Two is Joshua was actually investigating this abuse at the time of his disappearance. There was substantial cover up of the activities of the many monks who were involved in sexual abuse, according to the lawsuits filed. One in particular was quite active at the time of Joshua's stint at the school. The idea that it doesn't/didn't occur because the victims were 20 years old is ludicrous. Just read the depositions filed over monks on that campus. If Joshua was outspoken about the abuse, that doesn't do much for enrollment at the school, does it? Depending on where his research was leading him, there is quite evidently a possible motive for wanting him to shut up.

    I would love to see your sources, however your links to twitter result in articles entirely too small for my ancient eyes to read. Do us all a favor and use appbox or some other program so we can actually read the articles to which you have linked.

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous MN

    Hi, I have yet to listen to the podcast. Thank you for bringing attention to his case. I have been collecting data and researching the cases where young men went missing from parties or bars alone and have ended up in water. I have 275 victims across the US and Canada so far. In my research I came across Josh's case. His case was slightly different than other cases. His body was never found. There were monks on campus credibly accused of inappropriate relationships with students and Josh was researching the sexual abuse scandal for a thesis. This thesis is still missing. Please see my website: https://jbrownjoshguimond.wordpress.com/

    Hi, I have yet to listen to the podcast. Thank you for bringing attention to his case. I have been collecting data and researching the cases where young men went missing from parties or bars alone and have ended up in water. I have 275 victims across the US and Canada so far.
    In my research I came across Josh's case. His case was slightly different than other cases. His body was never found. There were monks on campus credibly accused of inappropriate relationships with students and Josh was researching the sexual abuse scandal for a thesis. This thesis is still missing. Please see my website: https://jbrownjoshguimond.wordpress.com/

  • Candy

    Candy

    An intro by the Captain,, Love it! Keep up the good work!

    An intro by the Captain,, Love it! Keep up the good work!

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    Thanks ladies and gents for your thoughts. We read all of them but it is hard to reply to everything. Keep it coming it helps the show a lot. Captain

    Thanks ladies and gents for your thoughts. We read all of them but it is hard to reply to everything. Keep it coming it helps the show a lot.

    Captain

  • Gina66

    Gina66 Phoenix

    Firstly, I'm glad I stumbled onto this podcast. If I remember correctly, the podcast Unsolved Mysteries (the cool radio drama like show) mentioned you and then when I found you, you happened to mention them, so totally glad I have found both of you! LOL So, with these podcasts, I've been playing armchair Sherlock Holmes here and something in the podcast actually stood out for me. You both mentioned that Joshua was not the only victim here, with you mentioning 4 others and a few states that had these students also go missing and some of them seemingly showing up in the nearby waterways. As crazy as I even think it, could it be possible that there's a serial killer in the area? Looking at the shot time frame for the four that you mentioned, were the other disappearances within the same time frame? And though in different states, those states are nearby, within a few hours drive maybe? A quick plane flight? I know this was only about Joshua, but is there anything ELSE that might tie these cases together? You mention that all the victims were young men, college aged, students at their colleges, these colleges were 'well to do', the victims that had been found were found in river/water areas. It seems apparent that in at least two of these, there was alcohol involved on the part of the victim (Josh was leaving a card party, Christopher was leaving a bar). Maybe it's far fetched, but it was something that just popped into my mind as you were relying that there have been more victims than just Josh and some of those victims have also seemingly disappeared...

    Firstly, I'm glad I stumbled onto this podcast. If I remember correctly, the podcast Unsolved Mysteries (the cool radio drama like show) mentioned you and then when I found you, you happened to mention them, so totally glad I have found both of you! LOL

    So, with these podcasts, I've been playing armchair Sherlock Holmes here and something in the podcast actually stood out for me. You both mentioned that Joshua was not the only victim here, with you mentioning 4 others and a few states that had these students also go missing and some of them seemingly showing up in the nearby waterways.

    As crazy as I even think it, could it be possible that there's a serial killer in the area? Looking at the shot time frame for the four that you mentioned, were the other disappearances within the same time frame? And though in different states, those states are nearby, within a few hours drive maybe? A quick plane flight? I know this was only about Joshua, but is there anything ELSE that might tie these cases together?

    You mention that all the victims were young men, college aged, students at their colleges, these colleges were 'well to do', the victims that had been found were found in river/water areas. It seems apparent that in at least two of these, there was alcohol involved on the part of the victim (Josh was leaving a card party, Christopher was leaving a bar).

    Maybe it's far fetched, but it was something that just popped into my mind as you were relying that there have been more victims than just Josh and some of those victims have also seemingly disappeared...

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    Gina I'm on your side. I think out of the many young men that have stumbled out of a party or bar and went missing, there is something going on there. I don't think all of these cases are the work of a lone killer, nor do I think that all of them fell prey to someone(s) but I do agree that's probably the case with a couple of these cases. Thanks for joining the chat. - Nic

    Gina I'm on your side. I think out of the many young men that have stumbled out of a party or bar and went missing, there is something going on there. I don't think all of these cases are the work of a lone killer, nor do I think that all of them fell prey to someone(s) but I do agree that's probably the case with a couple of these cases.
    Thanks for joining the chat. - Nic

  • jpop

    jpop Maine

    When you hear hoof beats -- it's a horse!! The computer files are certainly the key this case. Catholic Church. Sexual abuse. Computer files deleted? You say the files were related to fake IDs. You mean they were image files, right? I'm convinced they were pornographic, likely illegal. Not implicating Joshua. But come on! What exactly were those computer files?

    When you hear hoof beats -- it's a horse!! The computer files are certainly the key this case. Catholic Church. Sexual abuse. Computer files deleted? You say the files were related to fake IDs. You mean they were image files, right? I'm convinced they were pornographic, likely illegal. Not implicating Joshua. But come on! What exactly were those computer files?

  • Tim

    Tim Chino Hills, Ca

    Hey Pam, I completely understand the theory of Joshua’s disappearance being associated with the abuse scandals. I just personally have not seen any evidence that would warrant that theory being any more significant than any other theory. There is a number of sources that indicate that Joshua was investigating the abuse scandals. At least one even says that his thesis was missing off of his computer and the subject was the abuse scandals. That is all fine a good, but it seems strange to me that an under graduate student in his junior year would be doing a thesis, which is part of graduate work. Additionally, I already indicated my feelings regarding the hound dog following a scent to the monastery 40 days after Joshua went missing. Both of these things are examples of facts being stretched or outright manufactured to fit a theory. And this theory happens to be the only one that people with no connection to the case have motives for supporting. Although I was very subtle about it, in my first post, I indicated three actual potential suspects and motives they might have based on things I found in media reports. Any of them are just as good a suspect as a Monk/Priest, roaming killer, accidental death, or suicide. Take your pick there is no publically known evidence to support any of them. If a monk, priest, or other faculty member murdered Joshua I am all for prosecuting them to the fullest extent of the law. However, I am realistic that real evidence has to be developed, so I am skeptical of indirect sources that point to an actual source that there is reason to believe. While the media reports that I posted may not be completely accurate or may be missing facts, they are direct reporting at the time. Regarding the twitter links, if you view with the smart phone or tablet app you can zoon on the articles to read them. I was unaware that viewing them on the web version of twitter did not provide for zooming. Here are links to the files: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2Ekt1xrnIBvM01Nc0o1S2FQQ28&usp=sharing Here is a link to the video of LAPD Cold Case Detective J Warner Wallace’s presentation for those who have tolerance to Christian concepts and enjoy true crime: http://www.calvarycch.org/media_center.php?vimeo=1&id=0000005529 Enjoy Tim

    Hey Pam,

    I completely understand the theory of Joshua’s disappearance being associated with the abuse scandals. I just personally have not seen any evidence that would warrant that theory being any more significant than any other theory.

    There is a number of sources that indicate that Joshua was investigating the abuse scandals. At least one even says that his thesis was missing off of his computer and the subject was the abuse scandals. That is all fine a good, but it seems strange to me that an under graduate student in his junior year would be doing a thesis, which is part of graduate work. Additionally, I already indicated my feelings regarding the hound dog following a scent to the monastery 40 days after Joshua went missing. Both of these things are examples of facts being stretched or outright manufactured to fit a theory. And this theory happens to be the only one that people with no connection to the case have motives for supporting.

    Although I was very subtle about it, in my first post, I indicated three actual potential suspects and motives they might have based on things I found in media reports. Any of them are just as good a suspect as a Monk/Priest, roaming killer, accidental death, or suicide. Take your pick there is no publically known evidence to support any of them.

    If a monk, priest, or other faculty member murdered Joshua I am all for prosecuting them to the fullest extent of the law. However, I am realistic that real evidence has to be developed, so I am skeptical of indirect sources that point to an actual source that there is reason to believe. While the media reports that I posted may not be completely accurate or may be missing facts, they are direct reporting at the time.

    Regarding the twitter links, if you view with the smart phone or tablet app you can zoon on the articles to read them. I was unaware that viewing them on the web version of twitter did not provide for zooming.
    Here are links to the files:

    https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2Ekt1xrnIBvM01Nc0o1S2FQQ28&usp=sharing

    Here is a link to the video of LAPD Cold Case Detective J Warner Wallace’s presentation for those who have tolerance to Christian concepts and enjoy true crime:

    http://www.calvarycch.org/media_center.php?vimeo=1&id=0000005529

    Enjoy
    Tim

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    JPOP I am pretty sure they uncovered the actual files. So we can rule out pornographic files. Still odd either way Captain

    JPOP
    I am pretty sure they uncovered the actual files. So we can rule out pornographic files. Still odd either way

    Captain

  • Pam

    Pam Maryland

    FWIW, I just read a detailed account of the bloodhound searches in the Chris Jenkins case and none of the tracks led to St. John's. The closest tracking to consider, if one wanted to barely suggest there is a connection, is the tracking which led to I94 North down by 22nd Street, but that point is over 70 miles away. I bought the book "Case Studies in Drowning Forensics" which gives a considerably thorough account of the investigation. I think we can dismiss any claim that Jenkins was tracked to Collegeville, as you also concluded in this episode.

    FWIW, I just read a detailed account of the bloodhound searches in the Chris Jenkins case and none of the tracks led to St. John's. The closest tracking to consider, if one wanted to barely suggest there is a connection, is the tracking which led to I94 North down by 22nd Street, but that point is over 70 miles away. I bought the book "Case Studies in Drowning Forensics" which gives a considerably thorough account of the investigation. I think we can dismiss any claim that Jenkins was tracked to Collegeville, as you also concluded in this episode.

  • Liz Bailey

    Liz Bailey Fresno, CA

    Great podcast, excellent episode! You guys asked a question (and I am paraphrasing here): you asked why the church feels it is ok to "sweep" the accusations of sexual misconduct under the rug as well as simply move members of the clergy from church/monastery/institution to church/monastery/institution when accusations of sexual abuse are brought to light? I am sure I will get some heat for this, but I know from experience the answer in large part is this: it is an organization and institution rife with paedophilia coursing through its veins...there are very few places within the church where there are no reports of innocents being subjected to a paedophile...its part of the institution itself and is ingrained so deep within the organization that we cannot expect paedophiles to reprimand other paedophiles, nor should we be shocked or surprised when no one is criminally prosecuted in these institutions for their criminal acts. Just my opinion... Thanks again for your awesome podcast 😏

    Great podcast, excellent episode! You guys asked a question (and I am paraphrasing here): you asked why the church feels it is ok to "sweep" the accusations of sexual misconduct under the rug as well as simply move members of the clergy from church/monastery/institution to church/monastery/institution when accusations of sexual abuse are brought to light? I am sure I will get some heat for this, but I know from experience the answer in large part is this: it is an organization and institution rife with paedophilia coursing through its veins...there are very few places within the church where there are no reports of innocents being subjected to a paedophile...its part of the institution itself and is ingrained so deep within the organization that we cannot expect paedophiles to reprimand other paedophiles, nor should we be shocked or surprised when no one is criminally prosecuted in these institutions for their criminal acts. Just my opinion...
    Thanks again for your awesome podcast 😏

  • Tracy

    Tracy Minneapolis

    Hello, I found this episode interesting and I am familiar with the area. It's not far from the Jacob Wetterling's abduction (now solved). I found this article interesting. I priest, Father Bruce Wollmering, was found murdered (seemingly violently) in the St. John's Abbey. Wollmering had been brought up on countless sexual misconduct and had to step down from teaching criminal psychology. A year after his disappearance, profile, created by a professional FBI profiler who now taught at St. Johns, of the killer or abduction was created, however the Abbey and Stearns County prevented from being released. The profile was recognized by those in the Abbey as Father Frank Wollmering. Wollmering bragged about bringing a student to a Monk Cabin in 2002, saying the student had a problem with alcohol. This information was not shared with the authorities until much later. Wollmering also bragged about skinny dipping with college kids around this time. I wonder if the Monk's cabin was ever searched. It's my guess those in the Abbey suspected Wollmering and as they had time and time again in the past, tried to cover for him. In 2003, a year after Joshua disappeared, Wommerling was sent to a "Residential Care' program as 'punishment' for his numerous indiscretions. His report: January 19, 2004 Shauna Corbin, Ph.D., C. Psych Southdown treatment wrote a summary to Abbot Klassen regarding Wollmering: 'Wollmering has a sexual disorder with compulsive and exploitive behaviors and unintegrated features, pathological gambling and an occupational problem, all in the context of a narcissistic personality disorder with histrionic and obsessive-compulsive features. “He has gravitated to younger people throughout his career.” Seems to lack feelings and empathy. Stopped his sexual behavior out of concern for health rather than concern that it was wrong. He reports repeated molestation during his early formation that would be expected to be troubling to him, but seems to have created a deep cynicism instead, and provided a way of excusing his own behavior. (OSB Wollmering_00291-294). He goes back to the Abbey, sexual allegations continue until his death, January 2009. The Abbey’s obituary [ Go ] made no mention of Wollmering’s numerous abuse victims or the 2003 sexual harassment charge that led to Wollmering’s dignified “resignation” as chair of the psychology department. As a known sexual predator, Wollmering’s name should have been made available to law enforcement following the disappearances of Jacob Wetterling and Joshua Guimond. Documents show that Abbot John Klassen did NOT want to make Wollmering’s name public, following his 2003 harassment charge, because Wollmering’s name had already been brought up (internally) in connection with the disappearance of Joshua Guimond September 2006: Civil Suit filed against St. John’s, Father Bruce Wollmering, Brother John, Kelly and Father Finian McDonald. (OSB Wollmering_00526-545) January 2009, Autopsy report: Autopsy report indicates Wollmering died of a fractured skull, broken hip, punctured liver. No heart attack or aneurism. Coroner may want to come back to take a look at the scene of the accident, one bruise that he could not initially account for. Here is the document: http://www.andersonadvocates.com/documents/posts/Bruce%20Wollmering%20Timeline.pdf Murder did occur in the Abbey. I couldn't rule out that Joshua died there, how he was intercepted perplexing. Did Joshua have a phone or pager? More on Father Wollmening: In approximately 2002, Wollmering bragged about taking a student to the monks’ cabin. Wollmering also said that the student had trouble holding his liquor. The incident was not reported by a University employee, for fear of retaliation. In the summer of 1990, a St. John’s University student was fondled and propositioned by Wollmering. In 2001, Wollmering told a St. John’s University graduate that he was in love with one of his students. On at least three occasions, the last occurring in approximately 2002, Wollmering took a student skinny dipping. In approximately 2002, Wollmering bragged about taking a student to the monks’ cabin. Wollmering also said that the student had trouble holding his liquor. The incident was not reported by a University employee, for fear of retaliation. In 2002, Wollmering engaged in misconduct with one of his students. The misconduct continued into 2003. The student filed a complaint which led to Wollmering’s resignation from his teaching/counseling duties. Wollmering would claim later that the victim was “troubled” and had “issues” and that he (Wollmering) engaged in nothing more than “locker room talk.” The Profile of Joshua Guimond’s Likely Abductor On November 9, 2002, St. John’s University student Joshua Guimond disappeared from campus. As the one-year anniversary of Joshua’s disappearance approached, a profile of Joshua’s likely abductor was being prepared for placement on the “Find Joshua” web site. Local media was reportedly also interested in publishing the profile. The profiler, St. John’s University professor Dr. Aubrey Immelman, had published numerous articles on the subject of psychological profiling. On the morning of October 17, 2003, St. John’s University and the Stearns County Sheriff’s department learned about the profile. Later that same day, an officer called Immelman to discuss the profile. The two met later at the sheriff’s department. The officer asked that the profile not be published on the web site or appear in any other media because doing so might tip off the person responsible for Guimond’s disappearance. According to Immelman, the officer further explained that publishing the profile might cause the suspect to clam up, cover his tracks, or hire a lawyer. According to information on Immelman’s web site, and in voter guides published in various media when Immelman ran for Congress against Rep. Michele Bachmann in 2008 and 2010, Immelman has been a consultant to the U.S. military on threat assessment and psychological profiling; advised U.S. Customs and Border protection on terrorist profiling; trained intelligence officers from NATO allies in Europe; conducted profiling workshops attended by Central Intelligence Agency officers; and wrote the section on psychological profiling for the authoritative Handbook of Psychology. When reached for comment for this story, Immelman explained that the profile, which was first drafted in January of 2003, was “a boilerplate description from the FBI Crime Classification Manual of the kind of sex offender that would abduct a student without leaving any evidence of a crime.” St. John’s Abbey, however, recognized the profile… as Father Bruce Wollmering. Wollmering had a long history of misconduct.

    Hello, I found this episode interesting and I am familiar with the area.

    It's not far from the Jacob Wetterling's abduction (now solved). I found this article interesting. I priest, Father Bruce Wollmering, was found murdered (seemingly violently) in the St. John's Abbey. Wollmering had been brought up on countless sexual misconduct and had to step down from teaching criminal psychology.

    A year after his disappearance, profile, created by a professional FBI profiler who now taught at St. Johns, of the killer or abduction was created, however the Abbey and Stearns County prevented from being released. The profile was recognized by those in the Abbey as Father Frank Wollmering.

    Wollmering bragged about bringing a student to a Monk Cabin in 2002, saying the student had a problem with alcohol. This information was not shared with the authorities until much later. Wollmering also bragged about skinny dipping with college kids around this time. I wonder if the Monk's cabin was ever searched. It's my guess those in the Abbey suspected Wollmering and as they had time and time again in the past, tried to cover for him.

    In 2003, a year after Joshua disappeared, Wommerling was sent to a "Residential Care' program as 'punishment' for his numerous indiscretions. His report:

    January 19, 2004 Shauna Corbin, Ph.D., C. Psych Southdown treatment wrote a summary to Abbot Klassen regarding Wollmering: 'Wollmering has a sexual disorder with compulsive and exploitive behaviors and unintegrated features, pathological gambling and an occupational problem, all in the context of a narcissistic personality disorder with histrionic and obsessive-compulsive features. “He has gravitated to younger people throughout his career.” Seems to lack feelings and empathy. Stopped his sexual behavior out of concern for health rather than concern that it was wrong. He reports repeated molestation during his early formation that would be expected to be troubling to him, but seems to have created a deep cynicism instead, and provided a way of excusing his own behavior. (OSB Wollmering_00291-294).

    He goes back to the Abbey, sexual allegations continue until his death, January 2009.

    The Abbey’s obituary [ Go ] made no mention of Wollmering’s numerous abuse victims or the 2003 sexual harassment charge that led to Wollmering’s dignified “resignation” as chair of the psychology department.

    As a known sexual predator, Wollmering’s name should have been made available to law enforcement following the disappearances of Jacob Wetterling and Joshua Guimond. Documents show that Abbot John Klassen did NOT want to make Wollmering’s name public, following his 2003 harassment charge, because Wollmering’s name had already been brought up (internally) in connection with the disappearance of Joshua Guimond

    September 2006: Civil Suit filed against St. John’s, Father Bruce Wollmering, Brother John, Kelly and Father Finian McDonald. (OSB Wollmering_00526-545)

    January 2009, Autopsy report: Autopsy report indicates Wollmering died of a fractured skull, broken hip, punctured liver. No heart attack or aneurism. Coroner may want to come back to take a look at the scene of the accident, one bruise that he could not initially account for.

    Here is the document: http://www.andersonadvocates.com/documents/posts/Bruce%20Wollmering%20Timeline.pdf

    Murder did occur in the Abbey. I couldn't rule out that Joshua died there, how he was intercepted perplexing. Did Joshua have a phone or pager?

    More on Father Wollmening:

    In approximately 2002, Wollmering bragged about taking a student to the monks’ cabin. Wollmering also said that the student had trouble holding his liquor. The incident was not reported by a University employee, for fear of retaliation.

    In the summer of 1990, a St. John’s University student was fondled and propositioned by Wollmering.

    In 2001, Wollmering told a St. John’s University graduate that he was in love with one of his students.

    On at least three occasions, the last occurring in approximately 2002, Wollmering took a student skinny dipping.

    In approximately 2002, Wollmering bragged about taking a student to the monks’ cabin. Wollmering also said that the student had trouble holding his liquor. The incident was not reported by a University employee, for fear of retaliation.

    In 2002, Wollmering engaged in misconduct with one of his students. The misconduct continued into 2003. The student filed a complaint which led to Wollmering’s resignation from his teaching/counseling duties. Wollmering would claim later that the victim was “troubled” and had “issues” and that he (Wollmering) engaged in nothing more than “locker room talk.”

    The Profile of Joshua Guimond’s Likely Abductor

    On November 9, 2002, St. John’s University student Joshua Guimond disappeared from campus.

    As the one-year anniversary of Joshua’s disappearance approached, a profile of Joshua’s likely abductor was being prepared for placement on the “Find Joshua” web site. Local media was reportedly also interested in publishing the profile.

    The profiler, St. John’s University professor Dr. Aubrey Immelman, had published numerous articles on the subject of psychological profiling.

    On the morning of October 17, 2003, St. John’s University and the Stearns County Sheriff’s department learned about the profile. Later that same day, an officer called Immelman to discuss the profile. The two met later at the sheriff’s department. The officer asked that the profile not be published on the web site or appear in any other media because doing so might tip off the person responsible for Guimond’s disappearance. According to Immelman, the officer further explained that publishing the profile might cause the suspect to clam up, cover his tracks, or hire a lawyer.

    According to information on Immelman’s web site, and in voter guides published in various media when Immelman ran for Congress against Rep. Michele Bachmann in 2008 and 2010, Immelman has been a consultant to the U.S. military on threat assessment and psychological profiling; advised U.S. Customs and Border protection on terrorist profiling; trained intelligence officers from NATO allies in Europe; conducted profiling workshops attended by Central Intelligence Agency officers; and wrote the section on psychological profiling for the authoritative Handbook of Psychology.

    When reached for comment for this story, Immelman explained that the profile, which was first drafted in January of 2003, was “a boilerplate description from the FBI Crime Classification Manual of the kind of sex offender that would abduct a student without leaving any evidence of a crime.”

    St. John’s Abbey, however, recognized the profile… as Father Bruce Wollmering. Wollmering had a long history of misconduct.

  • Kassie

    Kassie Los Angeles, CA

    I am wondering if the people at the party were adequately investigated. It seems like there is just nothing reported of him after the party and that seems strange. However, what is also strange is where the dogs followed his trail to.

    I am wondering if the people at the party were adequately investigated. It seems like there is just nothing reported of him after the party and that seems strange. However, what is also strange is where the dogs followed his trail to.

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    Kassie • Los Angeles, CA Kind of a typical college party. People drinking and coming and going. Captain

    Kassie • Los Angeles, CA

    Kind of a typical college party. People drinking and coming and going.

    Captain

  • Brooke

    Brooke Denver

    I know I'm late to the party here, but I also am highly suspicious of the late Fr. Bruce Wollmering, who also apparently died under somewhat suspicious circumstances. I also keep thinking about the drinking aspect. If you are in college, have been out drinking, and someone familiar, especially a professor from campus, who was trusted, offers you a ride, or some kind of assistance, under the guise of keeping you from getting into trouble, it would be a very easy way for them to get you into a compromised position. The fact that there doesn't seem to be any evidence of a struggle in any of these cases, makes me think that the victims knew their killer and/or believed them to be trustworthy. Thanks for the podcast. I don't drink beer, but I'm making a list for a friend of mine!

    I know I'm late to the party here, but I also am highly suspicious of the late Fr. Bruce Wollmering, who also apparently died under somewhat suspicious circumstances. I also keep thinking about the drinking aspect. If you are in college, have been out drinking, and someone familiar, especially a professor from campus, who was trusted, offers you a ride, or some kind of assistance, under the guise of keeping you from getting into trouble, it would be a very easy way for them to get you into a compromised position. The fact that there doesn't seem to be any evidence of a struggle in any of these cases, makes me think that the victims knew their killer and/or believed them to be trustworthy. Thanks for the podcast. I don't drink beer, but I'm making a list for a friend of mine!

  •   Anonymous

    Anonymous

    Just found the Podcast so I'm way behind the game here. I'm familiar with the campus, grew up within 20min drive and had lots of friends who attended St. John's University. Something that isn't explained in the podcast is just how desolate the university is. There is literally one road that goes into the campus that is at least a mile or two from I-94. There is nothing around the campus other than a half a dozen or so houses, lots of woods, bodies of water and farmland. Look it up on google maps! There isn't a store, gas station, bar, restaurant or any other reason to be out there. Closest stuff like that is probably 5-6 miles away. To me this eliminates the likeliness of a random abduction. Highly unlikely this was a person driving around and saw a drunk "target" and took advantage of the situation. If they were in that area they knew what they were doing and where they were going. Having driven around the campus at night often there is not a lot of traffic (Im guessing 5-10 cars/hr on that road around 11PM ) and all the traffic is either going to or coming from the campus. The road pretty much dead ends at the campus. It's either parking lots or you loop back around and come out that same road. To me that means if you believe it was an abduction it's either someone pretty familiar with campus on a mission or is already on campus - like a student or staff or employee. Likelihood of cruising around looking for a target is very slim at least not without drawing attention to yourself. As far as the bodies of water -specifically Stump lake. My understanding is that it is not a very deep lake and it's certainly not very big. If they didn't find a body within the first couple searches there isn't one there in my opinion! Stump and Sag are pretty prominent on campus- used and walked by often by students - if a body were in either lake they would surface eventually and be found without a doubt. These aren't huge lakes that are hidden in the woods. What a puzzling case!

    Just found the Podcast so I'm way behind the game here. I'm familiar with the campus, grew up within 20min drive and had lots of friends who attended St. John's University. Something that isn't explained in the podcast is just how desolate the university is. There is literally one road that goes into the campus that is at least a mile or two from I-94. There is nothing around the campus other than a half a dozen or so houses, lots of woods, bodies of water and farmland. Look it up on google maps! There isn't a store, gas station, bar, restaurant or any other reason to be out there. Closest stuff like that is probably 5-6 miles away. To me this eliminates the likeliness of a random abduction. Highly unlikely this was a person driving around and saw a drunk "target" and took advantage of the situation. If they were in that area they knew what they were doing and where they were going. Having driven around the campus at night often there is not a lot of traffic (Im guessing 5-10 cars/hr on that road around 11PM ) and all the traffic is either going to or coming from the campus. The road pretty much dead ends at the campus. It's either parking lots or you loop back around and come out that same road. To me that means if you believe it was an abduction it's either someone pretty familiar with campus on a mission or is already on campus - like a student or staff or
    employee. Likelihood of cruising around looking for a target is very slim at least not without drawing attention to yourself. As far as the bodies of water -specifically Stump lake. My understanding is that it is not a very deep lake and it's certainly not very big. If they didn't find a body within the first couple searches there isn't one there in my opinion! Stump and Sag are pretty prominent on campus- used and walked by often by students - if a body were in either lake they would surface eventually and be found without a doubt. These aren't huge lakes that are hidden in the woods. What a puzzling case!

  • Mary

    Mary

    According to the following statement on https://jbrownjoshguimond.wordpress.com/ (dedicated website in re THE DISAPPEARANCE OF JOSH GUIMOND), Josh's family believes Josh disappeared (or was taken) from his apartment and not while on his way there: "My son disappeared in a few places as a toddler. The panic and fear were paralyzing. Luckily the feelings were only temporary and quickly turned into relief after my son was found. I cannot imagine feeling the same panic and fear every day for years. What happened? Where is Josh? Are people hiding information? I would expect the authorities from the school and the police both to check everyone and everything- twice. Sadly, that was not the reality for Josh’s family. STEARNS COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE AND SJU HAVE FAILED THE GUIMOND FAMILY. On the surface, it appears that the police did a cursory search, searched the lake and completed interviews. In reality, the family and a local news station did all the detective work. Stearns County publicly announced that Josh disappeared after walking home from a party around midnight. Josh’s former girlfriend explained that a key card is needed to enter Josh’s apartment. The family found records that JOSH ENTERED HIS APARTMENT between 11:05 and 11:10 pm on 11/9/02. His computer showed that he signed off at 11:29 pm. This proves he went missing from his apartment and NOT walking home. This narrows the suspect pool considerably. The last known whereabouts of a missing person is key to an investigation. Stearns County have NOT corrected their information. BIG FAIL. Stearns County gave Josh’s computer back to the family after two weeks looking at the hard drive saying there was nothing important related to his disappearance. The family took it to KMSP FOX 9 reporter who had a forensic computer analyst look at it. The story aired on 05/24/10. The computer expert looked at his hard drive, emails and files stored on the St. John’s server. There were only 3 deleted emails in his deleted file. This in itself is unusual as Josh was known to his family as a pack rat. ALSO, ONE EMAIL IN THE DELETED FILE WAS DONE ON 11/10/02 at 1:52 pm, almost 14 hours after he was reported missing. SOMEONE ACCESSED JOSH’S COMPUTER. Another fail. KMSP found that a student of St John’s University named Adam McDonald logged on to Josh’s computer from 11:48 pm on 11/11/02 until 12:40 am on 11/12/02. Josh went missing around 11 pm on 11/09/02. Adam did a search and went to a internet washer website which allows you to remove any websites that were accessed on the computer. It is available in stealth mode. KMSP tried to interview Adam for the story, but he declined. Stearns County was unable to find this when they had possession of the hard drive. FAIL. Josh’s thesis was missing from his computer. He was working on a paper regarding the Catholic sex abuse scandal. The family stated that Josh was upset about two priests accused of sex abuse being transferred to the church in the Bahamas. He felt they should have been prosecuted by the law instead of SJSU handling the situation themselves. The thesis was saved on St John’s computer server which can be accessed by anyone in the IT department at the school. SOMEONE DIDN’T WANT JOSH’S THESIS PAPER ABOUT PRIEST SEX ABUSE TO BECOME PUBLIC. Police failed to interview the head of the tech server. FAIL! Lastly, Detective Dave Hoeschen from Stearns County Sheriff’s Department told Brian Guimond (Josh’s dad) on 01/27/03 that BRIAN needed to prove that Josh never left the campus. Isn’t that the responsibility of the investigator? FAIL." https://truecrimegarage.com/podcast/blog/joshua-guimond-47

    According to the following statement on https://jbrownjoshguimond.wordpress.com/ (dedicated website in re THE DISAPPEARANCE OF JOSH GUIMOND), Josh's family believes Josh disappeared (or was taken) from his apartment and not while on his way there:

    "My son disappeared in a few places as a toddler. The panic and fear were paralyzing. Luckily the feelings were only temporary and quickly turned into relief after my son was found. I cannot imagine feeling the same panic and fear every day for years. What happened? Where is Josh? Are people hiding information? I would expect the authorities from the school and the police both to check everyone and everything- twice. Sadly, that was not the reality for Josh’s family. STEARNS COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE AND SJU HAVE FAILED THE GUIMOND FAMILY.

    On the surface, it appears that the police did a cursory search, searched the lake and completed interviews. In reality, the family and a local news station did all the detective work.

    Stearns County publicly announced that Josh disappeared after walking home from a party around midnight. Josh’s former girlfriend explained that a key card is needed to enter Josh’s apartment. The family found records that JOSH ENTERED HIS APARTMENT between 11:05 and 11:10 pm on 11/9/02. His computer showed that he signed off at 11:29 pm. This proves he went missing from his apartment and NOT walking home. This narrows the suspect pool considerably. The last known whereabouts of a missing person is key to an investigation. Stearns County have NOT corrected their information. BIG FAIL.

    Stearns County gave Josh’s computer back to the family after two weeks looking at the hard drive saying there was nothing important related to his disappearance. The family took it to KMSP FOX 9 reporter who had a forensic computer analyst look at it. The story aired on 05/24/10. The computer expert looked at his hard drive, emails and files stored on the St. John’s server. There were only 3 deleted emails in his deleted file. This in itself is unusual as Josh was known to his family as a pack rat. ALSO, ONE EMAIL IN THE DELETED FILE WAS DONE ON 11/10/02 at 1:52 pm, almost 14 hours after he was reported missing. SOMEONE ACCESSED JOSH’S COMPUTER. Another fail.

    KMSP found that a student of St John’s University named Adam McDonald logged on to Josh’s computer from 11:48 pm on 11/11/02 until 12:40 am on 11/12/02. Josh went missing around 11 pm on 11/09/02. Adam did a search and went to a internet washer website which allows you to remove any websites that were accessed on the computer. It is available in stealth mode. KMSP tried to interview Adam for the story, but he declined. Stearns County was unable to find this when they had possession of the hard drive. FAIL.

    Josh’s thesis was missing from his computer. He was working on a paper regarding the Catholic sex abuse scandal. The family stated that Josh was upset about two priests accused of sex abuse being transferred to the church in the Bahamas. He felt they should have been prosecuted by the law instead of SJSU handling the situation themselves. The thesis was saved on St John’s computer server which can be accessed by anyone in the IT department at the school. SOMEONE DIDN’T WANT JOSH’S THESIS PAPER ABOUT PRIEST SEX ABUSE TO BECOME PUBLIC. Police failed to interview the head of the tech server. FAIL!

    Lastly, Detective Dave Hoeschen from Stearns County Sheriff’s Department told Brian Guimond (Josh’s dad) on 01/27/03 that BRIAN needed to prove that Josh never left the campus. Isn’t that the responsibility of the investigator? FAIL."
    https://truecrimegarage.com/podcast/blog/joshua-guimond-47

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thank you Mary for the info. I pray Brian gets peace with this soon. - Nic

    Thank you Mary for the info. I pray Brian gets peace with this soon. - Nic

  • Jules

    Jules Boston, MA

    Just found your podcast and I'm obsessed. As I'm sure you guys know there are many colleges and universities in the Boston area. Every so often a "college aged" man goes missing and eventually found in the Charles River even though it wasn't anywhere near it. It happens after guys go out drinking or hanging out which is what this case reminded me of. Maybe there's a serial killer handbook and they all do the same thing. I don't think Joshua was one of these cases though, his body would've been found. I think it definitely has something to do with the church but what do i know, I'm not a detective.

    Just found your podcast and I'm obsessed. As I'm sure you guys know there are many colleges and universities in the Boston area. Every so often a "college aged" man goes missing and eventually found in the Charles River even though it wasn't anywhere near it. It happens after guys go out drinking or hanging out which is what this case reminded me of. Maybe there's a serial killer handbook and they all do the same thing.

    I don't think Joshua was one of these cases though, his body would've been found. I think it definitely has something to do with the church but what do i know, I'm not a detective.

  • Ryan

    Ryan Lakeville,MN

    Who lives near the twin cities and wants to team up with me for some armchair detective work

    Who lives near the twin cities and wants to team up with me for some armchair detective work

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