Kendrick Johnson /// 195 /// 196

43 comments

  • Donna

    Donna Hahira, GA

    I live in the county where this happen. Thank you for covering it. Always seemed fishy. And while I Agree racism is alive and well. It’s not like that as a whole down here. Love your work! Xx

    I live in the county where this happen. Thank you for covering it. Always seemed fishy. And while I Agree racism is alive and well. It’s not like that as a whole down here. Love your work!
    Xx

  • Emily

    Emily California

    This case is so heartbreaking. 5 years later and still no answers, I cannot begin to imagine how his parents feel. This case is a prime example of a police investigation done half assed. It is infuriating and insulting to his memory and his family and friends!

    This case is so heartbreaking. 5 years later and still no answers, I cannot begin to imagine how his parents feel.
    This case is a prime example of a police investigation done half assed. It is infuriating and insulting to his memory and his family and friends!

  • Kenny

    Kenny MD

    You guys do a hell of a job. Me and Dad listen to you every morning, gives us a new perspective on analyzing crime.

    You guys do a hell of a job. Me and Dad listen to you every morning, gives us a new perspective on analyzing crime.

  • Emily

    Emily MD

    This looks like a crushing injury. Unless he had enemies at school, I can see kids playing around and things getting out of control. I know that investigators have found blood outside the mats...on a wall, on shoes and on a sweatshirt. Play fighting can quickly turn to real fighting if things get out of hand. Sounds like teenage boys. I wonder if another kid(s) rolled Kendrick in the mat and kicked, stomped or stood on it, crushing him to death. Other kids might have left him there thinking he would be able to get out by himself OR they realized he was not breathing and fled the scene.

    This looks like a crushing injury.

    Unless he had enemies at school, I can see kids playing around and things getting out of control. I know that investigators have found blood outside the mats...on a wall, on shoes and on a sweatshirt. Play fighting can quickly turn to real fighting if things get out of hand. Sounds like teenage boys.

    I wonder if another kid(s) rolled Kendrick in the mat and kicked, stomped or stood on it, crushing him to death. Other kids might have left him there thinking he would be able to get out by himself OR they realized he was not breathing and fled the scene.

  • Katheryn c

    Katheryn c Beaumont tx

    This is a very sad story and I believe he was killed there is no way in hell with all the damage that was done to him it was accented

    This is a very sad story and I believe he was killed there is no way in hell with all the damage that was done to him it was accented

  • Denise

    Denise California

    All of these stories are horrible but this one is so hard to listen to. My heart breaks for him.

    All of these stories are horrible but this one is so hard to listen to. My heart breaks for him.

  • Jen

    Jen PA

    I just found the crime scene video on YouTube that shows the mats. Some of them are rolled up with a wide opening in the center that leaves enough room for a person to get in. But if you have an opening that wide, your shoe isn’t going to be stuck in there. Your shoe would be at the bottom, why would you be reaching in?? Hope that makes sense.

    I just found the crime scene video on YouTube that shows the mats. Some of them are rolled up with a wide opening in the center that leaves enough room for a person to get in. But if you have an opening that wide, your shoe isn’t going to be stuck in there. Your shoe would be at the bottom, why would you be reaching in?? Hope that makes sense.

  • Claire

    Claire England

    These parents need answers and closure..!! Definitely something not right

    These parents need answers and closure..!! Definitely something not right

  • jenni

    jenni Lexington

    The Johnsons are race baiters

    The Johnsons are race baiters

  • Sarah

    Sarah

    I think it's pretty clear that it was a tragic accident, and I've always thought so. The evidence has always pointed that way. I feel awful for the parents, but I also think they're crossing a lot of lines regarding their treatment of the Bell brothers and that they're lucky they haven't been sued for slander. What the parents are going through is horrible, but there's no evidence to point to those boys' involvement, and there's no evidence that was a murder.

    I think it's pretty clear that it was a tragic accident, and I've always thought so. The evidence has always pointed that way. I feel awful for the parents, but I also think they're crossing a lot of lines regarding their treatment of the Bell brothers and that they're lucky they haven't been sued for slander. What the parents are going through is horrible, but there's no evidence to point to those boys' involvement, and there's no evidence that was a murder.

  • Stacie

    Stacie Kansas

    I have followed this case for a while and this is the first time I heard anything about the kids not wanting to pay to rent a locker so they hid their shoes in the wrestling mats. As soon as I heard that, and coupled with the autopsy findings, it only makes sense that he was trying to get his shoes and fell in head first. If you go back and listen to the explanation of how he fell in with one arm reaching out and the other one by his side, imagine yourself bending down to try to get something and then falling. The thought of being stuck in a wrestling mat tube right side up is horrifying enough to me, but to be a big athletic kid who got stuck upside down with the weight of his organs and muscular legs just sends me over the deep end. Remember hanging upside down on the bars at recess as a kid and your head would start to fill up with blood and people would laugh at you because your head turned red? Now think of that happening, but your body plugs off the air supply to the bottom of the mat tube and there's no way to right yourself. Ugh. That poor kid, it just makes me sick thinking about it. Even if someone had seen him go in head first, that person would immediately have needed to start flipping mat rolls over so the one he fell in could be immediately flipped to facilitate respiration. The investigators weren't as professional as they should have been, and the parents ran up a giant lawyer bill that they have to pay now because the investigation didn't convince them of the fact that it was an accident.

    I have followed this case for a while and this is the first time I heard anything about the kids not wanting to pay to rent a locker so they hid their shoes in the wrestling mats. As soon as I heard that, and coupled with the autopsy findings, it only makes sense that he was trying to get his shoes and fell in head first. If you go back and listen to the explanation of how he fell in with one arm reaching out and the other one by his side, imagine yourself bending down to try to get something and then falling. The thought of being stuck in a wrestling mat tube right side up is horrifying enough to me, but to be a big athletic kid who got stuck upside down with the weight of his organs and muscular legs just sends me over the deep end.

    Remember hanging upside down on the bars at recess as a kid and your head would start to fill up with blood and people would laugh at you because your head turned red? Now think of that happening, but your body plugs off the air supply to the bottom of the mat tube and there's no way to right yourself. Ugh.

    That poor kid, it just makes me sick thinking about it. Even if someone had seen him go in head first, that person would immediately have needed to start flipping mat rolls over so the one he fell in could be immediately flipped to facilitate respiration. The investigators weren't as professional as they should have been, and the parents ran up a giant lawyer bill that they have to pay now because the investigation didn't convince them of the fact that it was an accident.

  • Leslie

    Leslie

    This case was clearly mishandled by not following protocol. The coroner should be called immediately when there is a dead body. Rigor mortis and lividity are two of the key factors that are used to determine time of death. Of course maybe they didn't care what the time of death was. Couldn't the missing organs be used to determine injuries Kendrick had at the time of death? The clothes Kendrick had on, as well as items found around the crime scene should be put into evidence and stay secure. The Sheriff should listen to true crime podcasts so he could learn something (how to process a crime scene). This case is heart breaking, like so many we here about these days. love you guys!!

    This case was clearly mishandled by not following protocol. The coroner should be called immediately when there is a dead body. Rigor mortis and lividity are two of the key factors that are used to determine time of death. Of course maybe they didn't care what the time of death was. Couldn't the missing organs be used to determine injuries Kendrick had at the time of death?

    The clothes Kendrick had on, as well as items found around the crime scene should be put into evidence and stay secure.
    The Sheriff should listen to true crime podcasts so he could learn something (how to process a crime scene). This case is heart breaking, like so many we here about these days.

    love you guys!!

  • Rob

    Rob Utah

    All the evidence points toward an accident. The independent investigator came to the conclusion it was an accident. The boys in their pod lean heavily toward it was an accident. And the comments above still believe it was foul play. Oy vey.

    All the evidence points toward an accident. The independent investigator came to the conclusion it was an accident. The boys in their pod lean heavily toward it was an accident. And the comments above still believe it was foul play. Oy vey.

  • Fred

    Fred RVA

    First, I just found your podcast less than 2 weeks ago-and I am hooked hard!! Great job, it’s my favorite one of this genre. I just listened to part one today and I’ve always felt this was an accidental death with no one else involved. That being said all the mishandling of the scene, derails and odd things that don’t add up do make me wonder, what if? It’s such a bizarre, 1 in a gazillion chance way to die, but just maybe there was foul play. I look forward to part 2.

    First, I just found your podcast less than 2 weeks ago-and I am hooked hard!! Great job, it’s my favorite one of this genre. I just listened to part one today and I’ve always felt this was an accidental death with no one else involved. That being said all the mishandling of the scene, derails and odd things that don’t add up do make me wonder, what if? It’s such a bizarre, 1 in a gazillion chance way to die, but just maybe there was foul play. I look forward to part 2.

  • Rachael

    Rachael Parts Unknown

    I also think this was a tragic accident. My heart hurts for Kendrick and his family, he was a good looking young man gone way too soon, I hope his family finds peace.

    I also think this was a tragic accident. My heart hurts for Kendrick and his family, he was a good looking young man gone way too soon, I hope his family finds peace.

  • lawbster

    lawbster Dubai

    Followed this case from the outset. It always smelled to high heaven. Thank you for clearing up a lot of my misconceptions.

    Followed this case from the outset. It always smelled to high heaven. Thank you for clearing up a lot of my misconceptions.

  • Billy

    Billy VA

    The 2 questions i have are what caused the blunt force trauma that showed up on the second autopsy and how could he fit into the mats? The opening for the mat was 14.5 inches and his shoulder length was 19 in. That would mean he was rolled up on the mat and didn't climb into the top.

    The 2 questions i have are what caused the blunt force trauma that showed up on the second autopsy and how could he fit into the mats? The opening for the mat was 14.5 inches and his shoulder length was 19 in. That would mean he was rolled up on the mat and didn't climb into the top.

  • Ro

    Ro

    I agree with you guys Nic and Cap. It needed a deeper look but knowing medically what happens when you are suspended with blood rushing to the head, it can be a shocking sight to those not aware and looks like a tragic accident. A lot of things could have been handled better in the investigation! Many bring up the shoes being on top of his body however he would have been trying to wiggle out or draw attention by thrashing his feet around and that would cause his shoes to come off and be on top of him. Always great listening!

    I agree with you guys Nic and Cap. It needed a deeper look but knowing medically what happens when you are suspended with blood rushing to the head, it can be a shocking sight to those not aware and looks like a tragic accident. A lot of things could have been handled better in the investigation! Many bring up the shoes being on top of his body however he would have been trying to wiggle out or draw attention by thrashing his feet around and that would cause his shoes to come off and be on top of him. Always great listening!

  • Sara

    Sara CO

    I have a hard time believing this was a tragic accident. What about the 2nd autopsy showing blunt force trauma? Was this proven to be caused by kids jumping onto the mats not knowing he was in there? I don't remember hearing anyone mentioning this a second time during the podcast (unless I missed that part). Seems fishy to me.

    I have a hard time believing this was a tragic accident. What about the 2nd autopsy showing blunt force trauma? Was this proven to be caused by kids jumping onto the mats not knowing he was in there? I don't remember hearing anyone mentioning this a second time during the podcast (unless I missed that part). Seems fishy to me.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    So this happens from time to time... We spend two episodes on cases to be thorough but sometimes - we talk too much or there's a lot to cover. So regarding the 2nd autopsy - we failed to mention the pathologist that conducted this autopsy had been fired from the state of Florida - so he is not without controversy. Also the blunt force trauma he noted was about the size f a fingernail, very small. I don't know what could have caused that or if he just got it wrong. Regarding the size of the hole in the center of the rolled up mats- yes Kendrick's shoulders were 19 inches and the hole only 14 and a half inches however Think about this.... Have you ever moved a mattress and a matching box spring? The mattress is always easier to move, the two items are the exact same size however the mattress - bends, gives and moves - the box spring does not as it is solid- a solid shape. Our bodies are much more like the mattress than a box spring - actually we are more bendy and we can contort our bodies. Just thoughts- cheers Nic

    So this happens from time to time... We spend two episodes on cases to be thorough but sometimes - we talk too much or there's a lot to cover.
    So regarding the 2nd autopsy - we failed to mention the pathologist that conducted this autopsy had been fired from the state of Florida - so he is not without controversy. Also the blunt force trauma he noted was about the size f a fingernail, very small. I don't know what could have caused that or if he just got it wrong.
    Regarding the size of the hole in the center of the rolled up mats- yes Kendrick's shoulders were 19 inches and the hole only 14 and a half inches however Think about this.... Have you ever moved a mattress and a matching box spring? The mattress is always easier to move, the two items are the exact same size however the mattress - bends, gives and moves - the box spring does not as it is solid- a solid shape. Our bodies are much more like the mattress than a box spring - actually we are more bendy and we can contort our bodies.
    Just thoughts- cheers Nic

  • John

    John WI

    True Accident Garage? I thought you guys learned a lesson from Kenneka Jenkins when Nic said something to the effect of "as sure as I'm sitting here, this is a homicide and charges will be filed". Maybe stay off Reddit for a while.

    True Accident Garage?
    I thought you guys learned a lesson from Kenneka Jenkins when Nic said something to the effect of "as sure as I'm sitting here, this is a homicide and charges will be filed". Maybe stay off Reddit for a while.

  • Beth

    Beth GA

    Thanks so much for covering this case. When first hearing about it on the news, I was certain there was a cover up at hand. I don't recall any of the follow up information you guys gave ever being released. As a parent of a teenage boy and high school wrestler, this case was of extreme interest to me. I definitely now believe it was just a horrible accident. I feel bad for all families involved. Love you guys and love the show.

    Thanks so much for covering this case. When first hearing about it on the news, I was certain there was a cover up at hand. I don't recall any of the follow up information you guys gave ever being released. As a parent of a teenage boy and high school wrestler, this case was of extreme interest to me. I definitely now believe it was just a horrible accident. I feel bad for all families involved. Love you guys and love the show.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Don't blame me that they got it wrong in Chicago. I did my part. Happy Easter John Nic

    Don't blame me that they got it wrong in Chicago. I did my part.
    Happy Easter John
    Nic

  • Michelle

    Michelle Kansas City,MO

    This story really hurt my heart. I believe it was just a freak accident, but I can understand why his parents wouldn't believe that. I can't imagine the grief of losing a child, and I'm sure you would want someone, anyone to blame. My heart goes out to them. Really enjoy your podcast, look forward to it every week!

    This story really hurt my heart.
    I believe it was just a freak accident, but I can understand why his parents wouldn't believe that.
    I can't imagine the grief of losing a child, and I'm sure you would want someone, anyone to blame.
    My heart goes out to them.
    Really enjoy your podcast, look forward to it every week!

  • Jeff

    Jeff Georgia

    Yeah I heard you call your opinions "unpopular" and I was shocked. In my mind, surely everyone can clearly see this is was an accident. I concede that I was wrong. Even when facing evidence that it's a horse, some will still scream zebra. I understand the picture shocking people but after educating yourself on the case it should be clear. I don't think the police did as poor a job as you made out. Case is closed and correctly so. Nic said he would've liked to see the cops find whose blood that was or at least compare it to the brothers I'd like to know how he proposed going about getting warrants for DNA from 2 minors that had solid alibis? The parents were wreckless in naming the brothers and sharing the story of the "fight" in the context they did. This is the easiest case ever covered by TCG. No head scratcher here except how anyone can think this is anything but an accident. Oh and maybe one of the previous comments. I def scratched my head after reading. To the person who suggested students rolled him up in the mat and kicked, stomped, and jumped on it crushing him....where is the evidence of that?

    Yeah I heard you call your opinions "unpopular" and I was shocked. In my mind, surely everyone can clearly see this is was an accident. I concede that I was wrong. Even when facing evidence that it's a horse, some will still scream zebra. I understand the picture shocking people but after educating yourself on the case it should be clear. I don't think the police did as poor a job as you made out. Case is closed and correctly so. Nic said he would've liked to see the cops find whose blood that was or at least compare it to
    the brothers I'd like to know how he proposed going about getting warrants for DNA from 2 minors that had solid alibis? The parents were wreckless in naming the brothers and sharing the story of the "fight" in the context they did. This is the easiest case ever covered by TCG. No head scratcher here except how anyone can think this is anything but an accident. Oh and maybe one of the previous comments. I def scratched my head after reading. To the person who suggested students rolled him up in the mat and kicked, stomped, and jumped on it crushing him....where is the evidence of that?

  • Ben

    Ben CA

    One thing I noticed is in episode 1 you stated that each of the mats weighed 700 lb, and Kendrick weighed 160 lb totaling 860 lb. The logistics of 1. tipping the mat with body up would require the ability to lift 430 lb (which isn't unreasonable since the orientation of the mats were changed the day before), and 2. in order to place the body towards the back of the mats would require either laying down all of the mats to clear a path to prop up the one with his body, or lift the 860 lb mat above the other mats and somehow align it vertically so it can drop down. It doesn't seem reasonable to be able to do that in 15 minutes.

    One thing I noticed is in episode 1 you stated that each of the mats weighed 700 lb, and Kendrick weighed 160 lb totaling 860 lb. The logistics of 1. tipping the mat with body up would require the ability to lift 430 lb (which isn't unreasonable since the orientation of the mats were changed the day before), and 2. in order to place the body towards the back of the mats would require either laying down all of the mats to clear a path to prop up the one with his body, or lift the 860 lb mat above the other mats and somehow align it vertically so it can drop down. It doesn't seem reasonable to be able to do that in 15 minutes.

  • John

    John Parts known

    So you still think they got it wrong in Chicago?

    So you still think they got it wrong in Chicago?

  • Reb

    Reb DC

    I appreciated this piece immensely. I had heard superficial headline blurbs about this case and had the "give me a break, how does someone get wrapped up in a mat by himself. There is clearly a nefarious plot of some form here." But the care you went to explain the actual situation in the gym, the student's customs and practices, and how this actually could have happened (I never realized he was found vertical) were admirable and put an entirely new context on this terribly tragic case. (Also, one thing that keeps me holding the conspiracy theory at bay is that the school probably faces a lot more civil financial liability with the accident scenario - that they had an attractive nuisance that they knew or should of known was being used as storage - than they would with student-on-student violence where there was no negligence - not catching a gun at the front door.) Could you please post information/update on the parents lawsuit, as well as a link to the study that was released by the former ACLU woman that reaches her conclusions that this was an accident (not that I am sure I couldn't find them if I wasn't so darned lazy, but also other people might like to see them, as well.) Finally, as for student lockers. They are So. Last. Century: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/schools-and-lockers-no-longer-the-right-combination/2018/01/24/9aa4222a-fa09-11e7-ad8c-ecbb62019393_story.html?utm_term=.923ae27ee59c

    I appreciated this piece immensely. I had heard superficial headline blurbs about this case and had the "give me a break, how does someone get wrapped up in a mat by himself. There is clearly a nefarious plot of some form here."

    But the care you went to explain the actual situation in the gym, the student's customs and practices, and how this actually could have happened (I never realized he was found vertical) were admirable and put an entirely new context on this terribly tragic case.

    (Also, one thing that keeps me holding the conspiracy theory at bay is that the school probably faces a lot more civil financial liability with the accident scenario - that they had an attractive nuisance that they knew or should of known was being used as storage - than they would with student-on-student violence where there was no negligence - not catching a gun at the front door.)

    Could you please post information/update on the parents lawsuit, as well as a link to the study that was released by the former ACLU woman that reaches her conclusions that this was an accident (not that I am sure I couldn't find them if I wasn't so darned lazy, but also other people might like to see them, as well.)

    Finally, as for student lockers. They are So. Last. Century: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/schools-and-lockers-no-longer-the-right-combination/2018/01/24/9aa4222a-fa09-11e7-ad8c-ecbb62019393_story.html?utm_term=.923ae27ee59c

  • Roger

    Roger Ga

    No blood found outside the mat or on Kendricks lower half of his body. Everyone who actually investigated this tragic accident, come to the same conclusion. And I'm sure the SCLC and NAACP were hoping for evidence of foul play. The supposed second autopsy claimed blunt force trauma based on a neck bruise 2-3 cm. No broken neck bones or signs of internal exsanguination. Never been used as a cause of death before. The photo the Johnson's exploit for attention, is the post autopsy photo. The photo is online of Kendrick when found and it's graphic but doesn't add to the beating narrative that the parents use. Neither autopsy mentions he was beaten. And I read an in depth review of the footage from 3 of the different servers and 57 cameras the Valdosta Times did and it explains everything. Tragic accident. But the parents caused more tragedy. Brian Bell lost his football scholarship due to pressure from Johnson Family reporters. Brian is on camera going to class in a separate area of school while Kendrick is entering the gym. The Johnson's have already been ordered to pay $800,000 grand in attorney fees yet continue to look for more people to sue.

    No blood found outside the mat or on Kendricks lower half of his body. Everyone who actually investigated this tragic accident, come to the same conclusion. And I'm sure the SCLC and NAACP were hoping for evidence of foul play. The supposed second autopsy claimed blunt force trauma based on a neck bruise 2-3 cm. No broken neck bones or signs of internal exsanguination. Never been used as a cause of death before. The photo the Johnson's exploit for attention, is the post autopsy photo. The photo is online of Kendrick when found and it's graphic but doesn't add to the beating narrative that the parents use. Neither autopsy mentions he was beaten. And I read an in depth review of the footage from 3 of the different servers and 57 cameras the Valdosta Times did and it explains everything. Tragic accident. But the parents caused more tragedy. Brian Bell lost his football scholarship due to pressure from Johnson Family reporters. Brian is on camera going to class in a separate area of school while Kendrick is entering the gym. The Johnson's have already been ordered to pay $800,000 grand in attorney fees yet continue to look for more people to sue.

  • Candace

    Candace Rochester NY

    Hey Fellas! Maybe I’m missing it, but I haven’t heard your reading recommendations in the last couple podcasts. I dont know if most listeners pay attention to them like I do, but I have way too much time & need more reading material. This is what it must feel like when you retire, having nothing but free time. It’s not everything it’s cracked up to be actually 😩 Anyway lol what’s up with them? MuchLove

    Hey Fellas! Maybe I’m missing it, but I haven’t heard your reading recommendations in the last couple podcasts. I dont know if most listeners pay attention to them like I do, but I have way too much time & need more reading material. This is what it must feel like when you retire, having nothing but free time. It’s not everything it’s cracked up to be actually 😩 Anyway lol what’s up with them?

    MuchLove

  • Mya

    Mya Florida

    It’s amazing how these crappy parents suddenly care after their son’s death. Just looking for a payout. Kid’s death is a terrible tragedy. It’s unfortunate the parents have to ad insult to injury. Last thought, the Crap-tin needs to get rid of his white guilt. PLEASE!

    It’s amazing how these crappy parents suddenly care after their son’s death. Just looking for a payout. Kid’s death is a terrible tragedy. It’s unfortunate the parents have to ad insult to injury. Last thought, the Crap-tin needs to get rid of his white guilt. PLEASE!

  • Justin

    Justin Virginia

    Mya, please stop. You’re reaction shows why no one trusts us people or institutions south of the mason Dixon e.g. Valdosta. The local police and GBI work was so shoddy how could they be trusted? I think it was an accident too but totally understand why the family had second thoughts. Don’t mistake Cap’s guilt for awareness of a history reality you clearly can’t accept. Geez.

    Mya, please stop. You’re reaction shows why no one trusts us people or institutions south of the mason Dixon e.g. Valdosta. The local police and GBI work was so shoddy how could they be trusted? I think it was an accident too but totally understand why the family had second thoughts. Don’t mistake Cap’s guilt for awareness of a history reality you clearly can’t accept. Geez.

  • Jessica

    Jessica Sims

    I agree with Ben's comment. Thinking about how heavy that mat would be with the body in it, doesn't seem like a couple of high school kids could have cleared a path to the back and lifted it up like that. You guys nailed it- Half assed police work because he was black. This poor family having to deal with a different treatment by everyone involved in investigating because of their race while also mourning the death of their son. Pretty eye opening and depressing

    I agree with Ben's comment. Thinking about how heavy that mat would be with the body in it, doesn't seem like a couple of high school kids could have cleared a path to the back and lifted it up like that. You guys nailed it- Half assed police work because he was black. This poor family having to deal with a different treatment by everyone involved in investigating because of their race while also mourning the death of their son. Pretty eye opening and depressing

  • Wallo

    Wallo Worcester

    You missed the mark covering this one. I feel for the family for their loss, but at the same time this was CLEARLY an accident, which was evident from the beginning. Any other theory required nothing but imagination, and the pursuit of remedies for an alleged crime is an attempted shakedown and nothing more. You don't have to tiptoe around calling an accident an accident. Perhaps Nic really wasn't convinced until those who ultimately concluded "accident" after believing there was foul play went on the record, but that's not very sound thinking on his part. You don't start with a conspiracy theory and believe it until it is disproven. That is an illogical way of approaching anything, and if everyone did that no one would ever be convicted of any crime. You go only where the evidence leads, and this screamed ACCIDENT from the beginning. Please guys, stop trying to pander to those who are looking for division based on race or gender. There is too much of it and it's gone into crazy town. You might think you're being "compassionate" but in this case you are guilty of casting aspersions on innocent people based on ZERO evidence and allegations pulled out of nowhere. I did not think you should include the names of the falsely accused brothers and amping up the race angle was really cheap. On the verge of checking out if this approach comes to define your podcast. Most of us who are not dicknoses and who have an IQ over 70 do not appreciate it, nor are we gullible enough to follow conspiracy theorist daytime-TV-watchers down their rabbit hole of dumb.

    You missed the mark covering this one. I feel for the family for their loss, but at the same time this was CLEARLY an accident, which was evident from the beginning. Any other theory required nothing but imagination, and the pursuit of remedies for an alleged crime is an attempted shakedown and nothing more.

    You don't have to tiptoe around calling an accident an accident. Perhaps Nic really wasn't convinced until those who ultimately concluded "accident" after believing there was foul play went on the record, but that's not very sound thinking on his part. You don't start with a conspiracy theory and believe it until it is disproven. That is an illogical way of approaching anything, and if everyone did that no one would ever be convicted of any crime. You go only where the evidence leads, and this screamed ACCIDENT from the beginning.

    Please guys, stop trying to pander to those who are looking for division based on race or gender. There is too much of it and it's gone into crazy town.

    You might think you're being "compassionate" but in this case you are guilty of casting aspersions on innocent people based on ZERO evidence and allegations pulled out of nowhere. I did not think you should include the names of the falsely accused brothers and amping up the race angle was really cheap.

    On the verge of checking out if this approach comes to define your podcast. Most of us who are not dicknoses and who have an IQ over 70 do not appreciate it, nor are we gullible enough to follow conspiracy theorist daytime-TV-watchers down their rabbit hole of dumb.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Wallo you're a moron. We both said this was an accident. Not sure how you got confused. Thanks for the comment. Sorry I left my conclusion to people I consider experts on this incident. Personally I think that is the responsible thing to do. Don't be on the verge of checking out if this approach comes to define our podcast. Instead get the fuck out. Go listen to another show and stop bothering me. Sayonara Nic

    Wallo you're a moron. We both said this was an accident. Not sure how you got confused. Thanks for the comment. Sorry I left my conclusion to people I consider experts on this incident. Personally I think that is the responsible thing to do. Don't be on the verge of checking out if this approach comes to define our podcast. Instead get the fuck out. Go listen to another show and stop bothering me.
    Sayonara Nic

  • Anna

    Anna Indiana

    Nic, you're the best. You both did a great job telling a story and covering a case. Your "tip- toeing" around was just you covering all angles of a case. Much love

    Nic, you're the best. You both did a great job telling a story and covering a case. Your "tip- toeing" around was just you covering all angles of a case.
    Much love

  • Sarah

    Sarah Australia

    Wallo, You are one of those people who spot an inconsistency and react over the top with without checking the facts first. Now you look like, dare I say it......a dicknose!

    Wallo,
    You are one of those people who spot an inconsistency and react over the top with without checking the facts first. Now you look like, dare I say it......a dicknose!

  • Amanda

    Amanda Texas

    I have listened to the most gruesome cases you guys have covered - but this was by far the hardest one to listen to. At the end of the two-parter, I definitely think it was an accident. But it was such an odd way to find a body, especially a young, athletic, and fit guy, that it would have been irresponsible not to discuss other possibilities. Nic and The Captain - y'all rule. Thank you guys so much for always being so thoughtful, considerate, and thorough when discussing these sensitive matters. My favorite crime podcast, by FAR. Cheers!

    I have listened to the most gruesome cases you guys have covered - but this was by far the hardest one to listen to. At the end of the two-parter, I definitely think it was an accident. But it was such an odd way to find a body, especially a young, athletic, and fit guy, that it would have been irresponsible not to discuss other possibilities. Nic and The Captain - y'all rule. Thank you guys so much for always being so thoughtful, considerate, and thorough when discussing these sensitive matters. My favorite crime podcast, by FAR. Cheers!

  • hume man

    hume man iowa

    nice job on a tough one. FYI re: privacy of students in school/cameras, courts have found that students in school actually have less fourth amendment protection than other citizens as it regards searches and privacy.

    nice job on a tough one. FYI re: privacy of students in school/cameras, courts have found that students in school actually have less fourth amendment protection than other citizens as it regards searches and privacy.

  • Lindsey

    Lindsey Macon ga

    I've looked at this case several times and am very happy to hear that you guys came to the same conclusion. I think at the end of the say, it was so sudden that the family needed someone to blame for such a tragedy, and then they couldn't stop the ball from rolling or back pedal on their accusations. Thank you guys for always doing a phenomenal job, I listen to you guys every day. ✌

    I've looked at this case several times and am very happy to hear that you guys came to the same conclusion. I think at the end of the say, it was so sudden that the family needed someone to blame for such a tragedy, and then they couldn't stop the ball from rolling or back pedal on their accusations. Thank you guys for always doing a phenomenal job, I listen to you guys every day. ✌

  • Theresa

    Theresa GA

    Hi guys, started listening to your podcasts about six months ago and I have become a big fan and especially love the sometimes goofy banter of the Captain and Nic's straight man humor. Just wanted to drop a little update on this case, as of this week the family of Kendrick Johnson is asking for the 3rd exhumation of his remains. I guess for another medical examiner to review?? Keep up the good work and Cheers!

    Hi guys, started listening to your podcasts about six months ago and I have become a big fan and especially love the sometimes goofy banter of the Captain and Nic's straight man humor. Just wanted to drop a little update on this case, as of this week the family of Kendrick Johnson is asking for the 3rd exhumation of his remains. I guess for another medical examiner to review??
    Keep up the good work and Cheers!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thanks Theresa! Cheers Nic

    Thanks Theresa!
    Cheers Nic

  • Laycee

    Laycee Cali

    Thanks for covering this and doing your work!! I have been wondering about this case so much and trusted you guys to cover it honestly, which I know you did. But holy crap a 3rd? Wow, might need a 3rd episode! If it happens I hope truth can come out, and hope his parents can get peace of mind. But you almost have to have someone to blame when it comes to your kid, right?

    Thanks for covering this and doing your work!! I have been wondering about this case so much and trusted you guys to cover it honestly, which I know you did. But holy crap a 3rd? Wow, might need a 3rd episode! If it happens I hope truth can come out, and hope his parents can get peace of mind. But you almost have to have someone to blame when it comes to your kid, right?

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