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  • Melissa

    Melissa Parts unknown

    Probably shouldn’t be commenting until I listen to the podcast, but after watching the surveillance the girl is clearly intoxicated and may have stumbled into a self locking freezer, but the question is why did it take so long to find her?

    Probably shouldn’t be commenting until I listen to the podcast, but after watching the surveillance the girl is clearly intoxicated and may have stumbled into a self locking freezer, but the question is why did it take so long to find her?

  • Stacy

    Stacy Castro Valley, CA

    So excited to listen to this! I just started reading and doing some arm chair investigation on my own on this case! You guys are like true crime superheroes -can't wait to hear your take on this story

    So excited to listen to this! I just started reading and doing some arm chair investigation on my own on this case! You guys are like true crime superheroes -can't wait to hear your take on this story

  • Jen B

    Jen B

    I heard about this when it happened, its 45 minutes away from me. When it was said that she was seen staggering I wrote it off. That video though. Scary and sad.

    I heard about this when it happened, its 45 minutes away from me. When it was said that she was seen staggering I wrote it off. That video though. Scary and sad.

  • Wskytits

    Wskytits San Jose

    This is so messed up, I feel so bad for her mom. Just watched some clips from one if the other girls live posts from inside the room and there's some shady shit going on. Very sad.

    This is so messed up, I feel so bad for her mom. Just watched some clips from one if the other girls live posts from inside the room and there's some shady shit going on. Very sad.

  • Jay Gee

    Jay Gee Hudson

    You're right!! This is definitely a case where she's becoming a zombie!! Oh btw, your using of "for sure" is wrong, use some gooder English guys!

    You're right!! This is definitely a case where she's becoming a zombie!!
    Oh btw, your using of "for sure" is wrong, use some gooder English guys!

  • SaRescue

    SaRescue

    Wow, she is very intoxicated. I would say she was given barbiturates with alcohol or possibly some other date rape drug. However the mother did mention their sensitivity to wiskey. If she did indeed have a "cup of wiskey" or equivalent; say 6 or 8oz this would be the appropriate outcome. I have seen individuals this intoxicated, in fact so intoxicated they ended up in a closet or bathroom unable to find their way out. Of course we will have to wait on the toxicology report to know. It's my belief this is a tragic accident. I do find it very troubling that no one found this poor girl and helped her. If in fact she was drugged, it would be no less a crime than murder.

    Wow, she is very intoxicated. I would say she was given barbiturates with alcohol or possibly some other date rape drug. However the mother did mention their sensitivity to wiskey. If she did indeed have a "cup of wiskey" or equivalent; say 6 or 8oz this would be the appropriate outcome. I have seen individuals this intoxicated, in fact so intoxicated they ended up in a closet or bathroom unable to find their way out. Of course we will have to wait on the toxicology report to know. It's my belief this is a tragic accident. I do find it very troubling that no one found this poor girl and helped her. If in fact she was drugged, it would be no less a crime than murder.

  • Chris

    Chris Parts Long Forgotten (suburb of Parts Unknown)

    Good lord, indeed a deeply fascinating and sad case. In my college days and early 20's I definitely crossed paths with people acting much like what we see in the surveillance footage from alcohol consumption alone. Especially, as SaRescue mentions, when you bring hard liquor into the mix, all bets are off. But that being said, I intend to keep an ear to the ground on this case because I also wouldn't be shocked if there was something else at play here. My gut impression is those kids were partying hard, perhaps a little too hard, and this was a tragic accident. For me the clincher is the fact that they called the mother in the middle of the night. In my opinion that suggests they'd lost track of their friend but knew darn well she was majorly (dangerously) drunk or high on something. Shout out to you guys for offering up a great podcast every week, truly one my favorites. A high-five as well to fellow listeners and folks commenting on the blog, y'all rock. (Well, except for that prick from Hudson.)

    Good lord, indeed a deeply fascinating and sad case. In my college days and early 20's I definitely crossed paths with people acting much like what we see in the surveillance footage from alcohol consumption alone. Especially, as SaRescue mentions, when you bring hard liquor into the mix, all bets are off. But that being said, I intend to keep an ear to the ground on this case because I also wouldn't be shocked if there was something else at play here. My gut impression is those kids were partying hard, perhaps a little too hard, and this was a tragic accident. For me the clincher is the fact that they called the mother in the middle of the night. In my opinion that suggests they'd lost track of their friend but knew darn well she was majorly (dangerously) drunk or high on something.

    Shout out to you guys for offering up a great podcast every week, truly one my favorites. A high-five as well to fellow listeners and folks commenting on the blog, y'all rock. (Well, except for that prick from Hudson.)

  • HOCNYC

    HOCNYC New York

    Right, I love you guys and you're my fave podcast by far. You always do such a fantastic job laying out the case but for this one, I have to give a slight critique on how this episode was organized. It felt like this episode was approached from an angle for people who already had some background information on the controversy surrounding this case. As someone who has zero knowledge about this incident and the unfortunate events that lead to this poor girl's death and what has happened since, I found as I was listening I kept waiting for you guys to explain why this was a case at all, as on the surface it appears to be an accident. What are the issues with it and why are we talking about this, what am I missing or where's the nefarious activity that must surround this that's being called into question? I kept waiting for the penny to drop, and then around the 53 min mark you started to touch on some of the issues, but I'm still not entirely understanding. I'm not going to do any of my own research as of yet, I'll hold out and wait for part 2. It could be too that I'm just a little dense today lol! Keep up the good work guys, cheers!!

    Right, I love you guys and you're my fave podcast by far. You always do such a fantastic job laying out the case but for this one, I have to give a slight critique on how this episode was organized. It felt like this episode was approached from an angle for people who already had some background information on the controversy surrounding this case. As someone who has zero knowledge about this incident and the unfortunate events that lead to this poor girl's death and what has happened since, I found as I was listening I kept waiting for you guys to explain why this was a case at all, as on the surface it appears to be an accident. What are the issues with it and why are we talking about this, what am I missing or where's the nefarious activity that must surround this that's being called into question? I kept waiting for the penny to drop, and then around the 53 min mark you started to touch on some of the issues, but I'm still not entirely understanding. I'm not going to do any of my own research as of yet, I'll hold out and wait for part 2. It could be too that I'm just a little dense today lol! Keep up the good work guys, cheers!!

  • Michael

    Michael Cypress,Texas

    She is definitely on some kind of drug,this staggering is not caused by alcohol!

    She is definitely on some kind of drug,this staggering is not caused by alcohol!

  • Carrie

    Carrie Seattle

    I agree with SaRescue - her Mom mentioned and re-iterated the fact that both Kenneka and she had extremely low alchohol tolerance levels. The "cup" of wiskey is concerning. As many have stated, the toxicoligy report will be very telling I'm sure. So tragic all around. Listening to her Mother just broke my heart. Thanks for putting together such an informative and interesting podcast guys!

    I agree with SaRescue - her Mom mentioned and re-iterated the fact that both Kenneka and she had extremely low alchohol tolerance levels. The "cup" of wiskey is concerning. As many have stated, the toxicoligy report will be very telling I'm sure. So tragic all around. Listening to her Mother just broke my heart. Thanks for putting together such an informative and interesting podcast guys!

  • Mary

    Mary Chicago

    I think that this show if fantastic. Here is the thing on this one though... I hear that it is frustration that people aren't talking but you never addressed the political climate we are in especially in cities like Chicago. The Black community on the South side is especially hesitant to talk to police. It has been that way for a long long time. I feel like on this first episode you guys harped about the fact no one is talking but never brought up this point. Normally you guys are so good at looking at the whole picture! I hope you talk a bit about it tonight. Come on Nick :)

    I think that this show if fantastic. Here is the thing on this one though... I hear that it is frustration that people aren't talking but you never addressed the political climate we are in especially in cities like Chicago. The Black community on the South side is especially hesitant to talk to police. It has been that way for a long long time. I feel like on this first episode you guys harped about the fact no one is talking but never brought up this point. Normally you guys are so good at looking at the whole picture! I hope you talk a bit about it tonight. Come on Nick smile

  • Ben

    Ben

    Having just listened to Part One, watching the footage and hearing a little bit about the case when it first happened I have to say I believe this is a tragic accident. Clearly, she is drunk and/or drugged (voluntarily or not) and wandering around the hotel. I agree with The Captain, it will be very interesting to hear the results of the toxicology reports. I'm a chef and I know that, especially in large hotel kitchens, the walk in freezers will have a big button you can press to open the door if it happens to shut or be shut by someone else. I would imagine that in her intoxicated state she wouldn't even know about or be able to press this button. They are heavy and difficult to open at the best of times. I think that somehow she got shut in the freezer and unfortunately succumbed to the cold. I can't explain how the door would come to be shut on it's own though, which does raise the question of someone else being involved I suppose. What I also can't understand is why it took so long to find her? Maybe that question will be answered in Part Two. Frustrating case, hopefully we get proper answers soon.

    Having just listened to Part One, watching the footage and hearing a little bit about the case when it first happened I have to say I believe this is a tragic accident. Clearly, she is drunk and/or drugged (voluntarily or not) and wandering around the hotel. I agree with The Captain, it will be very interesting to hear the results of the toxicology reports.

    I'm a chef and I know that, especially in large hotel kitchens, the walk in freezers will have a big button you can press to open the door if it happens to shut or be shut by someone else. I would imagine that in her intoxicated state she wouldn't even know about or be able to press this button. They are heavy and difficult to open at the best of times. I think that somehow she got shut in the freezer and unfortunately succumbed to the cold. I can't explain how the door would come to be shut on it's own though, which does raise the question of someone else being involved I suppose.

    What I also can't understand is why it took so long to find her? Maybe that question will be answered in Part Two. Frustrating case, hopefully we get proper answers soon.

  • M. Dot

    M. Dot Maryland

    So I've been following this case since it happened (about last month?) I feel like it's still too new to piece together the facts; however, based on the footage, I truly feel like this was an unfortunate accident. Kenneka was intoxicated and stumbled drunk into a freezer on her own. I think these conspiracies are really from Facebook (and those who didn't actually know her but are looking to blame her friends). It's tragic all around, certainly. But it seems like, idk, a reach?

    So I've been following this case since it happened (about last month?) I feel like it's still too new to piece together the facts; however, based on the footage, I truly feel like this was an unfortunate accident. Kenneka was intoxicated and stumbled drunk into a freezer on her own. I think these conspiracies are really from Facebook (and those who didn't actually know her but are looking to blame her friends). It's tragic all around, certainly. But it seems like, idk, a reach?

  • LDUB

    LDUB NC

    She absolutely looks dosed to me. I'm just confused about where the predator is, isn't that the point? Or was it a prank? A profoundly assholic prank. What kills me is the feeling that she was trying to get out of a situation that- one way or another- no longer felt comfortable. She's trying to walk it off, get back to normal. Poor kid. At her age, that party isn't crazy. They're smoking weed and drinking and singIng along. My heart breaks for her, her mom and her friends...who must be haunted. (Admittedly, my meaner side wonders where they were when their friend went awol. As women, that's when we roll our eyes and get angry that so-and-so has ruined the night, then call a cab and go home)

    She absolutely looks dosed to me. I'm just confused about where the predator is, isn't that the point? Or was it a prank? A profoundly assholic prank.

    What kills me is the feeling that she was trying to get out of a situation that- one way or another- no longer felt comfortable. She's trying to walk it off, get back to normal. Poor kid.

    At her age, that party isn't crazy. They're smoking weed and drinking and singIng along. My heart breaks for her, her mom and her friends...who must be haunted. (Admittedly, my meaner side wonders where they were when their friend went awol. As women, that's when we roll our eyes and get angry that so-and-so has ruined the night, then call a cab and go home)

  • John R

    John R Denver

    I was a youth counselor back in the early 2000s at a youth detention facility. I've heard my share of manipulation stories. Monifa ( sp? ) is telling a classic manipulation story. It's clear to me ( when you listen closely ) that she set up Kenneka. Someone got paid 200 dollars. I'm going to guess that this ties in with her brother ( Kenneka ) It's the the classic mean girls/ Revenge story. Very sad. I doubt she ( Kenneka had one single true friend at this party ) it was definitely premeditated. Think about it, the safest place for Kenneka was in that room. Why take her out? I'll be bet the freezer part was planned too. The videos don't show anyone leading her but that doesn't mean someone off camera ( no sound on CC videos ) wasn't cohercing her or leading her to the an area that didn't have video coverage. Someone worked at that hotel ( premeditated part ) and knew that hotel well. Sounds to me like Monifa is one of your main suspects as is her boyfriend. Others will be accessories to the murder. Videos may not have been released to the family for this reason ( they have a case for murder ) I'm pretty confident this case will be solved. Thanks for the podcast. I'm a trucker and have listened to all the episodes available on iTunes. I know, How to I go from youth counselor to trucker? Lol! I'm a veteran and I guess someone thought I'd be good at being a role model with disciplinary skills. I did it for nearly 4 years. Most offenders were people of color and I realized after a bit that it was a corrupt system that wasn't that interested in rehabilitation. Anyways. Thanks again.

    I was a youth counselor back in the early 2000s at a youth detention facility. I've heard my share of manipulation stories. Monifa ( sp? ) is telling a classic manipulation story. It's clear to me ( when you listen closely ) that she set up Kenneka. Someone got paid 200 dollars. I'm going to guess that this ties in with her brother ( Kenneka ) It's the the classic mean girls/ Revenge story. Very sad. I doubt she ( Kenneka had one single true friend at this party ) it was definitely premeditated. Think about it, the safest place for Kenneka was in that room. Why take her out? I'll be bet the freezer part was planned too. The videos don't show anyone leading her but that doesn't mean someone off camera ( no sound on CC videos ) wasn't cohercing her or leading her to the an area that didn't have video coverage. Someone worked at that hotel ( premeditated part ) and knew that hotel well. Sounds to me like Monifa is one of your main suspects as is her boyfriend. Others will be accessories to the murder. Videos may not have been released to the family for this reason ( they have a case for murder ) I'm pretty confident this case will be solved. Thanks for the podcast. I'm a trucker and have listened to all the episodes available on iTunes. I know, How to I go from youth counselor to trucker? Lol! I'm a veteran and I guess someone thought I'd be good at being a role model with disciplinary skills. I did it for nearly 4 years. Most offenders were people of color and I realized after a bit that it was a corrupt system that wasn't that interested in rehabilitation. Anyways. Thanks again.

  • Gigi

    Gigi Houston

    She's clearly intoxicated but you can't tell from what. Drugs? Alcohol? Both? Her mother said they have no tolerance for alcohol so if that's true, I can see a couple of strong drinks doing this to someone in the time between when she arrived and when she was staggering all over the place. Also, regarding the dare to have someone go into the walk in and do a live video, if she was in the part of the hotel that was not being used, why would the walk in even be on? I'm leaning toward this being a tragic accident...so far

    She's clearly intoxicated but you can't tell from what. Drugs? Alcohol? Both? Her mother said they have no tolerance for alcohol so if that's true, I can see a couple of strong drinks doing this to someone in the time between when she arrived and when she was staggering all over the place. Also, regarding the dare to have someone go into the walk in and do a live video, if she was in the part of the hotel that was not being used, why would the walk in even be on? I'm leaning toward this being a tragic accident...so far

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    @ HOCNYC That's my bad. I suggested opening the show like that. Sometimes we get so deep in these cases when it's time to put on the show its hard to remember that there was a time before a case happened. In my defense, I did state about 6-7 minutes into us talking that we don't know if this girl was drugged, murdered or an accident. So really that's all we set out to do. Was to look at that and consider the possibilities because as we learned more this feels like someone did something wrong. We feel it's likely she was drugged and if we're right there was a horrible crime committed. Won't say cheers on this case unless we all pour our own drinks into travel coffee mugs with lids. Be safe and watch out for your friends! Nic

    @ HOCNYC
    That's my bad. I suggested opening the show like that. Sometimes we get so deep in these cases when it's time to put on the show its hard to remember that there was a time before a case happened. In my defense, I did state about 6-7 minutes into us talking that we don't know if this girl was drugged, murdered or an accident. So really that's all we set out to do. Was to look at that and consider the possibilities because as we learned more this feels like someone did something wrong. We feel it's likely she was drugged and if we're right there was a horrible crime committed. Won't say cheers on this case unless we all pour our own drinks into travel coffee mugs with lids. Be safe and watch out for your friends!
    Nic

  • Brian

    Brian Cincinnati

    Great show guys. I recently discovered the podcast and have been listening to episodes non-stop ever since. As you mention during the podcast, this one requires home work. After reading a litany of articles, no writer seems to address that commercial kitchen floors are inheriently greasy, slimy and wet. Combine grease/slime/water with a walk in freezer and a person so intoxicated that they can barley walk on a dry surface, it’s a recipe for disaster. I am failing to see the conspiracy, this seems like an easy case as compared to many others. At any rate, it’s a very sad story.

    Great show guys. I recently discovered the podcast and have been listening to episodes non-stop ever since. As you mention during the podcast, this one requires home work. After reading a litany of articles, no writer seems to address that commercial kitchen floors are inheriently greasy, slimy and wet. Combine grease/slime/water with a walk in freezer and a person so intoxicated that they can barley walk on a dry surface, it’s a recipe for disaster. I am failing to see the conspiracy, this seems like an easy case as compared to many others. At any rate, it’s a very sad story.

  • JTallroth

    JTallroth

    I’m not convinced that she was drugged. That’s from the surveillance footage. This is why; Once upon a time I was a young man and a couple of times I got really drunk. (Interesting right...? 😉) What I wanna day is this; There’s this one time when I drank some Austrian rum, not realizing that it was like 85% alcohol... I got SO drunk and it happened really fast. I’ve got some memories of it the important ones being the ‘walk and look up on a fixed spot’ aka the zombie walk. I did this repeatedly and I remember thinking that looking up, at the same spot, kept the world from spinning so fast. I can totally see her reactions coming from ‘just’ alcohol. Especially if she consumed lots of it fast. Then the fact that she seems to get more and more intoxicated as time go by is also explained. What I’m saying is that alcohol could easily create this behavior. But so could drugs. Or a combination. I just don’t agree that she must have something more than alcohol in her system. That said, the comments, ‘party footage’ etc. makes it seem really messed up and there’s a lot of red flags... VERY interesting case and GREAT coverage - these are on my top 5 episodes ever! I really hope you plan to make a follow up on this as matters (hopefully) will be sorted out (like the toxicology report, the post mortem etc.) Thanks, as always, for a great show! //@jtallroth

    I’m not convinced that she was drugged. That’s from the surveillance footage. This is why;
    Once upon a time I was a young man and a couple of times I got really drunk. (Interesting right...? 😉) What I wanna day is this; There’s this one time when I drank some Austrian rum, not realizing that it was like 85% alcohol... I got SO drunk and it happened really fast. I’ve got some memories of it the important ones being the ‘walk and look up on a fixed spot’ aka the zombie walk. I did this repeatedly and I remember thinking that looking up, at the same spot, kept the world from spinning so fast. I can totally see her reactions coming from ‘just’ alcohol. Especially if she consumed lots of it fast. Then the fact that she seems to get more and more intoxicated as time go by is also explained. What I’m saying is that alcohol could easily create this behavior. But so could drugs. Or a combination. I just don’t agree that she must have something more than alcohol in her system. That said, the comments, ‘party footage’ etc. makes it seem really messed up and there’s a lot of red flags... VERY interesting case and GREAT coverage - these are on my top 5 episodes ever! I really hope you plan to make a follow up on this as matters (hopefully) will be sorted out (like the toxicology report, the post mortem etc.)
    Thanks, as always, for a great show!
    //@jtallroth

  • Suzi

    Suzi Scotland

    Really sad case and I think it’s great you guys are putting the light on it. You rock 😘

    Really sad case and I think it’s great you guys are putting the light on it. You rock 😘

  • Maria

    Maria Ohio

    I would like to give you a huge compliment to Nic and the Captain for the way they approach their subject matter. Thank you for your open mindedness and lack of victim blaming when discussing cases. This has been a driving factor in my subscribing to your podcast, but with this case in particular I was especially struck: 1) I had not heard about Kenneka Jenkins before the podcast 2) after doing my own research I saw the way the media and internet comments were treating this case. Victim blaming, stereotypes about her race and age, horrible assumptions about her mother.... We need people presenting information to the public the way you guys do. I APPRECIATE THE CUT OF YOUR JIB. Keep it up!

    I would like to give you a huge compliment to Nic and the Captain for the way they approach their subject matter. Thank you for your open mindedness and lack of victim blaming when discussing cases. This has been a driving factor in my subscribing to your podcast, but with this case in particular I was especially struck: 1) I had not heard about Kenneka Jenkins before the podcast 2) after doing my own research I saw the way the media and internet comments were treating this case. Victim blaming, stereotypes about her race and age, horrible assumptions about her mother.... We need people presenting information to the public the way you guys do. I APPRECIATE THE CUT OF YOUR JIB. Keep it up!

  • LouLouLeRoux

    LouLouLeRoux Toronto

    This is a heartbreaking story with so many unanswered questions. I'm glad that you prioritized this story to give it more immediate attention. On a side note, The Captain's comment "I've never felt so dumb and so smart at the same time" made me laugh so hard. I could totally relate, though I'd add that I've never felt so old. Those social media convos were... challenging. (Good job interpreting them Nic!).

    This is a heartbreaking story with so many unanswered questions. I'm glad that you prioritized this story to give it more immediate attention.
    On a side note, The Captain's comment "I've never felt so dumb and so smart at the same time" made me laugh so hard. I could totally relate, though I'd add that I've never felt so old. Those social media convos were... challenging. (Good job interpreting them Nic!).

  • Stacy T.

    Stacy T. Missouri

    As someone who also had no tolerance for alcohol at age 19, I did not get drunk so much as sick. I never even got to the point of staggering around and certainly couldn't have staggered around for more than three or five minutes before doubling over to vomit. And once you get sick, you feel better and less disoriented. That being said, Kenneka is not looking for a place to vomit! She isn't holding her stomach. I'd be curious to know if she vomited in any of the footage. If she didn't, then it seems more likely that she's lost and on drugs. This is heart breaking. My heart is broken for her family and her mother. Why didn't a single person at the party or a single hotel staffer see her staggering and say, "Honey, sit down and let's get you well!"

    As someone who also had no tolerance for alcohol at age 19, I did not get drunk so much as sick. I never even got to the point of staggering around and certainly couldn't have staggered around for more than three or five minutes before doubling over to vomit. And once you get sick, you feel better and less disoriented. That being said, Kenneka is not looking for a place to vomit! She isn't holding her stomach. I'd be curious to know if she vomited in any of the footage. If she didn't, then it seems more likely that she's lost and on drugs.

    This is heart breaking. My heart is broken for her family and her mother. Why didn't a single person at the party or a single hotel staffer see her staggering and say, "Honey, sit down and let's get you well!"

  • Jeff

    Jeff Georgia

    Driving me crazy today bashing the hotel. The hotel can't just show anyone who walks up footage. That is an invasion of other guests privacy. The delay wasn't just due to an out of town IT guy. They had to view all the footage and run it by their legal counsel.

    Driving me crazy today bashing the hotel. The hotel can't just show anyone who walks up footage. That is an invasion of other guests privacy. The delay wasn't just due to an out of town IT guy. They had to view all the footage and run it by their legal counsel.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    @ Jeff that is a very fair and probably very correct statement. But the problem is this - they don't have to share the footage immediately but they should review it and search for the missing person as soon as they are notified. She could have and should have been located sooner. This would have been better for the family, the police and of course the hotel itself. Instead of doing what was right and in the best interests of all, they sat on their hands and chose to be difficult. - Nic

    @ Jeff that is a very fair and probably very correct statement. But the problem is this - they don't have to share the footage immediately but they should review it and search for the missing person as soon as they are notified. She could have and should have been located sooner. This would have been better for the family, the police and of course the hotel itself. Instead of doing what was right and in the best interests of all, they sat on their hands and chose to be difficult.
    - Nic

  • Catherine

    Catherine Denver

    I was thrilled to see you are covering this case so quickly. Hard to say what really happened, but it definitely seems like even if it was an accident tragedy could have been averted if any of the players had acted more in accordance with basic humanity.

    I was thrilled to see you are covering this case so quickly. Hard to say what really happened, but it definitely seems like even if it was an accident tragedy could have been averted if any of the players had acted more in accordance with basic humanity.

  • Hannah

    Hannah Denver, CO

    You guys are incredible, and the production value still continues to impress me every single week. These two episodes were some of the best/most riveting, ESPECIALLY considering the fact that we don't really know anything at this point. I want to see a still shot of the moment in the video where it look like someone is holding her up. Also, anyone know where to find the text conversations/posts by her "friends"?

    You guys are incredible, and the production value still continues to impress me every single week. These two episodes were some of the best/most riveting, ESPECIALLY considering the fact that we don't really know anything at this point.

    I want to see a still shot of the moment in the video where it look like someone is holding her up. Also, anyone know where to find the text conversations/posts by her "friends"?

  • Reb

    Reb

    Another great episode, but one where like of a lot of your bests lately, I agree with Nic that will be resolved and hopefully soon. A couple of things: 1. I agree with the above poster that for liability and legal reasons, even if the hotel did look at the footage, they could not say a word to the mother one way or another about whether her daughter was there. Imagine if her "daughter" was some hussy hooking up with her husband and she was trying to find out if she was there so to ambush her in the parking lot. 2. Second, in a derivation of the Captain's comments regarding the sound guy in Florida- this is a lower end hotel, and it doesn't appear that anyone was actively monitoring the security cameras. The security cameras weren't live security but simply a record in case something happens (think the difference between the theft monitoring security cameras at Nordstrom vs. the bodega tape Lenny Briscoe might ask the owner to give him after a mob hit.) Because of multiple abuses of the security cameras by creepy employees over the years that have caused lawsuits, there is a very good chance that no one on site had access to the camera tapes. Now if the cops came calling around the employees likely would get the authorized people out forthwith. If I am to understand the timeline right, the poor girl was found around the time the cops would have take a missing person's case seriously and come a-callin. (I am not defending this horrrible hotel where kids felt total comfortable having a serious throw down without apparent repercussions. It's more the principle here.) 3. Nic- could you please post the still where you think you see Mystery Hoodie Dude? I don't see anywhere where this could be. 4. Very few hotels have security cameras on floors. They would have to open up separate law practice just to handle divorce lawyers requests! I love you guys!!! My employees hate your guts :) (Oh, and for what it's worth, when I started watching the entry tape, I immediately thought, well, at least one of those girls is drunk already. Then you put a red circle around her)

    Another great episode, but one where like of a lot of your bests lately, I agree with Nic that will be resolved and hopefully soon. A couple of things:
    1. I agree with the above poster that for liability and legal reasons, even if the hotel did look at the footage, they could not say a word to the mother one way or another about whether her daughter was there. Imagine if her "daughter" was some hussy hooking up with her husband and she was trying to find out if she was there so to ambush her in the parking lot.
    2. Second, in a derivation of the Captain's comments regarding the sound guy in Florida- this is a lower end hotel, and it doesn't appear that anyone was actively monitoring the security cameras. The security cameras weren't live security but simply a record in case something happens (think the difference between the theft monitoring security cameras at Nordstrom vs. the bodega tape Lenny Briscoe might ask the owner to give him after a mob hit.) Because of multiple abuses of the security cameras by creepy employees over the years that have caused lawsuits, there is a very good chance that no one on site had access to the camera tapes. Now if the cops came calling around the employees likely would get the authorized people out forthwith. If I am to understand the timeline right, the poor girl was found around the time the cops would have take a missing person's case seriously and come a-callin.
    (I am not defending this horrrible hotel where kids felt total comfortable having a serious throw down without apparent repercussions. It's more the principle here.)
    3. Nic- could you please post the still where you think you see Mystery Hoodie Dude? I don't see anywhere where this could be.
    4. Very few hotels have security cameras on floors. They would have to open up separate law practice just to handle divorce lawyers requests!
    I love you guys!!! My employees hate your guts smile
    (Oh, and for what it's worth, when I started watching the entry tape, I immediately thought, well, at least one of those girls is drunk already. Then you put a red circle around her)

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    If you google Kenneka Jenkins Friends Texting -many of these come up in the images. Also I think there are some YouTube videos that show these as well. The friends really threw everything out there on social media

    If you google Kenneka Jenkins Friends Texting -many of these come up in the images. Also I think there are some YouTube videos that show these as well. The friends really threw everything out there on social media

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Here's a link to that still shot of her in the kitchen. There are probably better ones out there. If I understand this correctly the larger pictures shown are not from that night. I think they are more of an example of what you might see in the stills of her as she has just entered the kitchen. Nic https://goo.gl/images/dsdo2p

    Here's a link to that still shot of her in the kitchen. There are probably better ones out there. If I understand this correctly the larger pictures shown are not from that night. I think they are more of an example of what you might see in the stills of her as she has just entered the kitchen. Nic https://goo.gl/images/dsdo2p

  • Reb

    Reb

    Thank you, Nic! After listening to your series, I would never had wanted to Google her "friend's" social media. You suffered through that morass so we didn't have to. I absolutely agree if someone had shown me that one shot out of context I would have thought the same thing- a dude dragging along a drunk lady though I think it's an optical illusion. Cannot wait for the autopsy and tox screen.

    Thank you, Nic! After listening to your series, I would never had wanted to Google her "friend's" social media. You suffered through that morass so we didn't have to.
    I absolutely agree if someone had shown me that one shot out of context I would have thought the same thing- a dude dragging along a drunk lady though I think it's an optical illusion.
    Cannot wait for the autopsy and tox screen.

  • John

    John WI

    The mother's 911 call had a striking similarity to that of Mitrice Richardson's mother. In both cases odds were 99% nothing's wrong....but those instincts, man.

    The mother's 911 call had a striking similarity to that of Mitrice Richardson's mother.
    In both cases odds were 99% nothing's wrong....but those instincts, man.

  • Leo

    Leo Fargo

    Drugged definitely. Probably raped by that $200 bribing asshat and his friends. A big FU to those involved or those in the know with lockjaw.

    Drugged definitely. Probably raped by that $200 bribing asshat and his friends. A big FU to those involved or those in the know with lockjaw.

  • Emily

    Emily Home

    This story is beyond sad! A beautiful young girl with her whole life ahead of her. Her life taken by a person or persons who could not careless about another person's life! In the 911 call her mom said Kennekar nor she could handle alcohol. I believe certain people at the party got her drunk on purpose and someone drugged her drink. Just my opinion.

    This story is beyond sad!
    A beautiful young girl with her whole life ahead of her. Her life taken by a person or persons who could not careless about another person's life!
    In the 911 call her mom said Kennekar nor she could handle alcohol.
    I believe certain people at the party got her drunk on purpose and someone drugged her drink. Just my opinion.

  • Tessa

    Tessa Australia

    Hi guys, love your podcast, great dynamic between you two, hello from Australia, cheers mates. I have a bit of a problem with the fact that Kenneka's friends called her mum at 3am or however early... It doesnt sound like what teenagers partying would do. Also, the mum wasn't even in the area right? Okay, they lost their friend, but underage drinkers/teens etc don't behave that way in my opinion -they cover up for their friends so they won't get into trouble. Calling the mother at 3am would be the last thing I imagine would happen - I would imagine they'd call the police, hotel security etc, if they were super worried, BEFORE the mum. Is there footage of the friends roaming about the place trying to find her? I dont know, when I was young and partying hard calling the parentals before an ambulance or police would not be something I would have done.

    Hi guys, love your podcast, great dynamic between you two, hello from Australia, cheers mates.

    I have a bit of a problem with the fact that Kenneka's friends called her mum at 3am or however early... It doesnt sound like what teenagers partying would do. Also, the mum wasn't even in the area right? Okay, they lost their friend, but underage drinkers/teens etc don't behave that way in my opinion -they cover up for their friends so they won't get into trouble. Calling the mother at 3am would be the last thing I imagine would happen - I would imagine they'd call the police, hotel security etc, if they were super worried, BEFORE the mum. Is there footage of the friends roaming about the place trying to find her? I dont know, when I was young and partying hard calling the parentals before an ambulance or police would not be something I would have done.

  • Roger

    Roger Coolum, Queensland

    Listened to the podcast last night. She's not just intoxicated but also drugged. I don't think any freezer is self locking so she must have become panicked or passed out. Maybe there was no light and she couldn't find the handle. Lesson for the kids. Look after each other. Don't drink underage -especially spirits and don't go to hotel parties without adults. At 18 you should know this but not anymore.

    Listened to the podcast last night. She's not just intoxicated but also drugged. I don't think any freezer is self locking so she must have become panicked or passed out. Maybe there was no light and she couldn't find the handle. Lesson for the kids. Look after each other. Don't drink underage -especially spirits and don't go to hotel parties without adults. At 18 you should know this but not anymore.

  • Carol

    Carol San Angelo, TX

    Great episodes, guys. I just wanted to comment on a few things. I have, unfortunately, been so intoxicated just from alcohol (as far as I know) that I could barely walk. I felt like I was walking the same way as seen in the videos. Then woke up covered in bruises from walking into things. It was terrible and quite scary. I’m not saying it was only alcohol in this case, but I believe it is definitely possible. As far as the party and not being able to smoke in hotels, I’m not sure about this particular hotel, but that is usually a city ordinance or up to each particular chain of hotels. If this was an accident, here is my theory: She was looking for a bathroom or her friends or something, got lost, and wandered into the freezer. Now, suppose she felt that cold air and it made her feel a little better, as in decreased her nausea. Then she thought, “this makes me feel better. I’m just going to sit down here for a minute...” Also, I’m not so sure we can put too much blame for the early stages of the night on the hotel. It was the middle of the night. Hotels don’t really have staff wandering around in the middle of the night. So that’s my two cents at this point. Keep up the good work. Love the podcast!

    Great episodes, guys. I just wanted to comment on a few things.

    I have, unfortunately, been so intoxicated just from alcohol (as far as I know) that I could barely walk. I felt like I was walking the same way as seen in the videos. Then woke up covered in bruises from walking into things. It was terrible and quite scary. I’m not saying it was only alcohol in this case, but I believe it is definitely possible.

    As far as the party and not being able to smoke in hotels, I’m not sure about this particular hotel, but that is usually a city ordinance or up to each particular chain of hotels.

    If this was an accident, here is my theory: She was looking for a bathroom or her friends or something, got lost, and wandered into the freezer. Now, suppose she felt that cold air and it made her feel a little better, as in decreased her nausea. Then she thought, “this makes me feel better. I’m just going to sit down here for a minute...”

    Also, I’m not so sure we can put too much blame for the early stages of the night on the hotel. It was the middle of the night. Hotels don’t really have staff wandering around in the middle of the night.

    So that’s my two cents at this point. Keep up the good work. Love the podcast!

  • cathy

    cathy cleveland

    right before she says shes going to give the drink, someone also says something about the Bitch??? hmmmm

    right before she says shes going to give the drink, someone also says something about the Bitch??? hmmmm

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    At Tesse - yes the friends called her mom at about 4am. The call was simple "we can't find Kenneka. We are going to leave the hotel and return the car to you." No of that makes sense to me. Don't leave the hotel when your friend is missing. Also who throws a hotel party and doesn't stay the night. We use to do hotel parties and if a guy buddy went off some where we might look for him but we always assumed he went with a girl and would return in the morning. Their behavior points to they either were involved or knew she was in danger before she went missing. That wasn't mentioned to her mother. Nic

    At Tesse - yes the friends called her mom at about 4am. The call was simple "we can't find Kenneka. We are going to leave the hotel and return the car to you." No of that makes sense to me. Don't leave the hotel when your friend is missing. Also who throws a hotel party and doesn't stay the night. We use to do hotel parties and if a guy buddy went off some where we might look for him but we always assumed he went with a girl and would return in the morning. Their behavior points to they either were involved or knew she was in danger before she went missing. That wasn't mentioned to her mother.
    Nic

  • Michele H.

    Michele H. Tulsa, OK

    Someone else may have already brought this up, but does the footage of Kenneka Jenkins remind anyone else of the Elisa Lam footage? How they both ended up dead in similarly isolated hotel areas that are theoretically somewhat difficult to enter is definitely strange...

    Someone else may have already brought this up, but does the footage of Kenneka Jenkins remind anyone else of the Elisa Lam footage? How they both ended up dead in similarly isolated hotel areas that are theoretically somewhat difficult to enter is definitely strange...

  • Lana

    Lana Parts Unknown

    Hi guys! Love your show...my absolute favorite podcast. I'm still listening to this episode, but I wanted to mention that I heard Nick say that she seems to have something in her hands while she is wandering around the hotel. I don't think she has anything in her hands though. It just looks to me like the light is shining off her nails, but her hands look empty. You can clearly see her use both her hands to touch the walls and her hair. Anyway, this was a very sad case and hopefully the toxicology report will clear it up. Keep up the good work on the podcast!

    Hi guys! Love your show...my absolute favorite podcast. I'm still listening to this episode, but I wanted to mention that I heard Nick say that she seems to have something in her hands while she is wandering around the hotel. I don't think she has anything in her hands though. It just looks to me like the light is shining off her nails, but her hands look empty. You can clearly see her use both her hands to touch the walls and her hair. Anyway, this was a very sad case and hopefully the toxicology report will clear it up. Keep up the good work on the podcast!

  • B

    B Madison, WI

    I do think that her behavior could have been caused just by alcohol. If she's not used to drinking (she's only 19) and she drank a few or several shots in a short period of time; it's reasonable to think she could be incredibly intoxicated. To me, the footage looks like she's trying to go somewhere specific, like she's looking for a certain location, not just wandering aimlessly. Perhaps she's looking for her friends, trying to meet them somewhere or she was dared to go into the freezer. There's a lot of shit talking on social media, I agree with the guys that the truth is partly hidden in there. I wonder if everyone was just complicit in not watching out for her or setting her up for humiliation so now the blame game has started. I think it's a reasonable theory to think there were people there that wanted to give her shit. Maybe they drugged her, maybe they just encouraged or pressured her to drink too much, knowing she wasn't really a drinker. If she was also smoking, that could lead to trouble with someone so inexperienced with drugs and alcohol. It is troubling that her friends (if any were true friends) would have left her unattended in that condition BUT they are young and we've all done stupid things. My gut is telling me this was a horrible (nasty) prank gone wrong. Maybe she had it in her head or someone told her to go into the freezer. Maybe she just wandered in there and didn't have the wherewithal to attempt to get out. I did read in the media that the freezer was not locked from the inside. I don't think we can speculate too much on what the hotel and/or the cops did wrong, it's too early in the investigation for that.

    I do think that her behavior could have been caused just by alcohol. If she's not used to drinking (she's only 19) and she drank a few or several shots in a short period of time; it's reasonable to think she could be incredibly intoxicated.

    To me, the footage looks like she's trying to go somewhere specific, like she's looking for a certain location, not just wandering aimlessly. Perhaps she's looking for her friends, trying to meet them somewhere or she was dared to go into the freezer.

    There's a lot of shit talking on social media, I agree with the guys that the truth is partly hidden in there. I wonder if everyone was just complicit in not watching out for her or setting her up for humiliation so now the blame game has started. I think it's a reasonable theory to think there were people there that wanted to give her shit. Maybe they drugged her, maybe they just encouraged or pressured her to drink too much, knowing she wasn't really a drinker. If she was also smoking, that could lead to trouble with someone so inexperienced with drugs and alcohol. It is troubling that her friends (if any were true friends) would have left her unattended in that condition BUT they are young and we've all done stupid things.

    My gut is telling me this was a horrible (nasty) prank gone wrong. Maybe she had it in her head or someone told her to go into the freezer. Maybe she just wandered in there and didn't have the wherewithal to attempt to get out. I did read in the media that the freezer was not locked from the inside.

    I don't think we can speculate too much on what the hotel and/or the cops did wrong, it's too early in the investigation for that.

  • Grant

    Grant Michigan

    The first 30 minutes of this podcast had so many advertisements that I already didnt like the show. But by the time they actually got to discussing the topic I felt they were COMPLETELY unorganized as they were discussing if the cameras shut off imediately after motion isnt sensed when you can clearly see a good 30 second interval after she walks off camera. And then they discussed if the police have 36 hours of Kanneka or 36 hours all together. Its obviously 36 hours of footage of the whole hotel as Kanneka wasnt seen the rest of the night. I feel like this podcast is uneccesary and you could just look up all the facts in a few minutes instead of listening to two guys discuss nonsense for hours

    The first 30 minutes of this podcast had so many advertisements that I already didnt like the show. But by the time they actually got to discussing the topic I felt they were COMPLETELY unorganized as they were discussing if the cameras shut off imediately after motion isnt sensed when you can clearly see a good 30 second interval after she walks off camera. And then they discussed if the police have 36 hours of Kanneka or 36 hours all together. Its obviously 36 hours of footage of the whole hotel as Kanneka wasnt seen the rest of the night. I feel like this podcast is uneccesary and you could just look up all the facts in a few minutes instead of listening to two guys discuss nonsense for hours

  • Veselin Stankov

    Veselin Stankov Bulgaria

    Wow, gotta day - in my opinion you made it sound a lot worse than I found it to be on the video- I mean her (in)ability to walk and her level of intoxication... After watching it, she doesn’t seem as bad as I imagined at all... ok, she is drunk, she does stumble, but you described some violent swings of her head backwards, some complete stupor, which is nowhere to be seen - in fact, if you watch the last part of the footage, where she walks into the kitchen area - man, she clears that zig-zag labyrinth between the furniture like nobody’s business... she navigates that tight space drunk a lot better that I could sober...

    Wow, gotta day - in my opinion you made it sound a lot worse than I found it to be on the video- I mean her (in)ability to walk and her level of intoxication... After watching it, she doesn’t seem as bad as I imagined at all... ok, she is drunk, she does stumble, but you described some violent swings of her head backwards, some complete stupor, which is nowhere to be seen - in fact, if you watch the last part of the footage, where she walks into the kitchen area - man, she clears that zig-zag labyrinth between the furniture like nobody’s business... she navigates that tight space drunk a lot better that I could sober...

  • Yani

    Yani Atlanta

    It seems so far the police can't pin her death on murder, but there has been an update- her autopsy has been filed as inclusive pending further study https://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/family-lawyer-serious-questions-remain-in-kenneka-jenkins-death/ My speculation would be she was drugged, which strengthens the rumors that she was raped. I'm glad you guys are following this, it reminds me a lot of Elisa Lam but I hope the truth comes out in this case.

    It seems so far the police can't pin her death on murder, but there has been an update- her autopsy has been filed as inclusive pending further study https://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/family-lawyer-serious-questions-remain-in-kenneka-jenkins-death/ My speculation would be she was drugged, which strengthens the rumors that she was raped. I'm glad you guys are following this, it reminds me a lot of Elisa Lam but I hope the truth comes out in this case.

  • Lorena Simon

    Lorena Simon Mexico City

    I believe it was accident. I think she was so intoxicated from alcohol that she probably walked into the freezer and passed out, or maybe the door closed behind her and she couldn't get it open. Either way, that was an awful way to die. By the way, I love the new theme.

    I believe it was accident. I think she was so intoxicated from alcohol that she probably walked into the freezer and passed out, or maybe the door closed behind her and she couldn't get it open. Either way, that was an awful way to die.

    By the way, I love the new theme.

  • Jeff

    Jeff Georgia

    Nic......in response to your reply ......you're seeing this in hindsight so yeah the hotel should've done more. As the events unfolded, I'm sure the hotel manager had the same reaction as the 911 operator. In that situation, odds are she bounced with someone as opposed to wandered off and somehow passed out and died in a walk in freezer. Personal responsibility is a loss concept in modern society and that's the case here. Whether she was drugged or if this is just a tragic accident, I dont see the hotel at fault in anyway. I think we're expecting different autopsy results and very well will view the toxicology report thru different goggles. Despite the difference of opinion, I'm a loyal fan and look forward to new episodes each week.

    Nic......in response to your reply ......you're seeing this in hindsight so yeah the hotel should've done more. As the events unfolded, I'm sure the hotel manager had the same reaction as the 911 operator. In that situation, odds are she bounced with someone as opposed to wandered off and somehow passed out and died in a walk in freezer. Personal responsibility is a loss concept in modern society and that's the case here. Whether she was drugged or if this is just a tragic accident, I dont see the hotel at fault in anyway. I think we're expecting different autopsy results and very well will view the toxicology report thru different goggles. Despite the difference of opinion, I'm a loyal fan and look forward to new episodes each week.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    It's all good Jeff and I and everyone reading certainly appreciate your opinions as this is a place for discussing these topics. Thanks for the good posts. Cheers, Nic

    It's all good Jeff and I and everyone reading certainly appreciate your opinions as this is a place for discussing these topics. Thanks for the good posts.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Michelle D.

    Michelle D. Cottage Grove, MN

    This seems to be a gang hit according to what I have read on the videos for the last two hours. I do not think she had her wits about her at all. She was set up Monifa Shelton and Irene Roberts. Nice friends....

    This seems to be a gang hit according to what I have read on the videos for the last two hours. I do not think she had her wits about her at all. She was set up Monifa Shelton and Irene Roberts. Nice friends....

  • MR

    MR

    [quote=Jay Gee] You're right!! This is definitely a case where she's becoming a zombie!! Oh btw, your using of "for sure" is wrong, use some gooder English guys! [/quote] "your using of" OK Jay, might be bed time.

    Jay Gee wrote:

    You're right!! This is definitely a case where she's becoming a zombie!!
    Oh btw, your using of "for sure" is wrong, use some gooder English guys!

    "your using of" OK Jay, might be bed time.

  • Annie

    Annie Boston

    Hey guys, great job as always. My only bit to add is when you were talking about following the money, in terms of the likelihood of the hotel editing the footage. You guys felt that someone grabbing or leading her would make the hotel less responsible from a legal standpoint, but you're thinking like men. 'Don't get wasted, you could end up dead,' is an easier tale to tell than 'hey, some poor girl was drugged, grabbed, murdered and stuffed in an abandoned freezer.' I'm not saying I think the footage was altered, and I don't know enough to form a solid opinion on the case, although I do think this is homicide, but as a woman, I'm never staying at that particular hotel again.

    Hey guys, great job as always. My only bit to add is when you were talking about following the money, in terms of the likelihood of the hotel editing the footage. You guys felt that someone grabbing or leading her would make the hotel less responsible from a legal standpoint, but you're thinking like men.
    'Don't get wasted, you could end up dead,' is an easier tale to tell than 'hey, some poor girl was drugged, grabbed, murdered and stuffed in an abandoned freezer.'
    I'm not saying I think the footage was altered, and I don't know enough to form a solid opinion on the case, although I do think this is homicide, but as a woman, I'm never staying at that particular hotel again.

  • Mary

    Mary kennedy

    Really wouldn't be surprised if there was something besides alcohol in her system! Did anyone see her staggering in the halls like that? Pretty bad if they did and didn't help her she look svery vulnerable.

    Really wouldn't be surprised if there was something besides alcohol in her system! Did anyone see her staggering in the halls like that? Pretty bad if they did and didn't help her she look svery vulnerable.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Yeah Annie that hotel deserves to go out of business. I heard a rumor that they are suffering financially - I'm hoping that is true. It's a chain so who knows Cheers, Nic

    Yeah Annie that hotel deserves to go out of business. I heard a rumor that they are suffering financially - I'm hoping that is true. It's a chain so who knows
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Tonya Land

    Tonya Land Ga

    Thank you guys for sharing this case.....it has totally consumed my life since hearing the podcast ..... I never new about a black market for body parts.... organ harvesting... and with friends like these who needs enemies...... unbelievable....... I hope you guys are keeping up with the case.

    Thank you guys for sharing this case.....it has totally consumed my life since hearing the podcast ..... I never new about a black market for body parts.... organ harvesting...
    and with friends like these who needs enemies...... unbelievable.......
    I hope you guys are keeping up with the case.

  • Lorena

    Lorena

    Hi, I think this was an accident. She probably passed out inside the freezer or the door closed and she couldn't get it back open due the state of intoxication she was in. I believe she could have been saved if the tapes were provided when the mother asked for them rather than two days later. Another unfortunate and unnecessary death. I love your show, and I really loved the music you chose for this case.

    Hi,

    I think this was an accident. She probably passed out inside the freezer or the door closed and she couldn't get it back open due the state of intoxication she was in. I believe she could have been saved if the tapes were provided when the mother asked for them rather than two days later. Another unfortunate and unnecessary death.

    I love your show, and I really loved the music you chose for this case.

  • Deb

    Deb Minnesota

    Toxicology screen says Topiramate, a drug with sedating effects comparable to Phenabarbitol was found in her system. Her family said the Topiramate was not a drug she had been prescribed. http://www.newser.com/story/249728/cause-of-death-determined-for-teen-found-in-hotel-freezer.html

    Toxicology screen says Topiramate, a drug with sedating effects comparable to Phenabarbitol was found in her system. Her family said the Topiramate was not a drug she had been prescribed. http://www.newser.com/story/249728/cause-of-death-determined-for-teen-found-in-hotel-freezer.html

  • JTallroth

    JTallroth

    Topiramate is a drug used for treatment of migraine and epilepsy. I read up on it (including studies published in medical journals) and basically it is ‘harmless’ even combined with alcohol. A massive overdose would result in ‘poisoning symptoms’ such as vomiting, renal failure etc. Topiramate isn’t anything close to phenobarbital - which is one of the most potent narcotic out there. Topiramate isn’t considered a narcotic substance and it’s frequently used on kids due to it’s low toxicity. I really thought they would find something. Topiramate didn’t cause this. I guess she must have had LOTS of alcohol in a short time frame. (Of course the Topiramate isn’t something you should mix with any larger quantities of alcohol but there’s no studies that actually says that it is any more dangerous than drugs like ibuprofen or diklofenak) (Main sources: Fass.se (Swedish FDA) & New England Journal of Medicine)

    Topiramate is a drug used for treatment of migraine and epilepsy. I read up on it (including studies published in medical journals) and basically it is ‘harmless’ even combined with alcohol. A massive overdose would result in ‘poisoning symptoms’ such as vomiting, renal failure etc. Topiramate isn’t anything close to phenobarbital - which is one of the most potent narcotic out there. Topiramate isn’t considered a narcotic substance and it’s frequently used on kids due to it’s low toxicity.
    I really thought they would find something. Topiramate didn’t cause this. I guess she must have had LOTS of alcohol in a short time frame. (Of course the Topiramate isn’t something you should mix with any larger quantities of alcohol but there’s no studies that actually says that it is any more dangerous than drugs like ibuprofen or diklofenak) (Main sources: Fass.se (Swedish FDA) & New England Journal of Medicine)

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thank you JTallroth for putting this together and filling us all in. Nic

    Thank you JTallroth for putting this together and filling us all in.
    Nic

  • JTallroth

    JTallroth

    My earlier post was a bit simplified so I feel that it would be prudent to expand a bit since it’s a important subject in this case. (Note: I translated this from Swedish on the go, I don’t have access to FDA documents so this is from the Swedish counterpart; The Swedish Department of Medicine. I have also personally asked a relative who’s a physician (PhD in Internal Medicine) with 40 years of clinical experience and he gave me some information and made documents regarding Topiramate intended for medical professionals available to me) So here goes; 1) Interactions CNS depressants: Administration of Topiramate and alcohol or other CNS-depressant drugs has not been evaluated in clinical studies. It is recommended that Topiramate not used with alcohol or other CNS-depressant drugs. (Personal addition: This is the standard formulation on every prescription drug that isn’t known to cause any harmful effects in combination with alcohol) 2) Excessive doses Signs and symptoms: excess doses of topiramate has been reported. Signs and symptoms reported include convulsions, drowsiness, speech disorders, blurred vision, double vision, dulling, lethargy, abnormal coordination, stupor, hypotension, abdominal pain, agitation, dizziness and depression. The clinical consequences were in most cases not severe and did not require any treatment. Some more severe cases have been reported the majority resulting from Topiramate combined with other drugs. The standard treatment is to induce vomiting and if needed administer active coal. A few deaths have been reported from overdoses of several different drugs including topiramate but the role of topiramate in those cases has not been studied. Overall the toxicity is low and although there haven’t been any specific studies conducted the conclusions is that the risk of serious harm from excessive dosage of Topiramate is to be considered unlikely...//... ..//..Preclinical as well as In vitro studies show that Topiramate have no risk of physical dependency../.. Sorry for the misspellings translated this on the go and had to change some medical lingo to more understandable wording. Please note that I am not a physician or in any way educated in these subjects. I do have an medical/physiology interest but that’s it. The sources is legitimate and the text is excerpts taken from the information on Topiramate that is provided to the Swedish ‘FDA’ and available to all physicians. Hope it can bring some clarification on the role of Topiramate in this tragic case. As always - Love from Sweden (or at the moment Spain actually...😀) //Johannes @jtallroth

    My earlier post was a bit simplified so I feel that it would be prudent to expand a bit since it’s a important subject in this case.
    (Note: I translated this from Swedish on the go, I don’t have access to FDA documents so this is from the Swedish counterpart; The Swedish Department of Medicine. I have also personally asked a relative who’s a physician (PhD in Internal Medicine) with 40 years of clinical experience and he gave me some information and made documents regarding Topiramate intended for medical professionals available to me)
    So here goes;

    1) Interactions
    CNS depressants:
    Administration of Topiramate and alcohol or other CNS-depressant drugs has not been evaluated in clinical studies. It is recommended that Topiramate not used with alcohol or other CNS-depressant drugs.
    (Personal addition: This is the standard formulation on every prescription drug that isn’t known to cause any harmful effects in combination with alcohol)

    2) Excessive doses
    Signs and symptoms:
    excess doses of topiramate has been reported. Signs and symptoms reported include convulsions, drowsiness, speech disorders, blurred vision, double vision, dulling, lethargy, abnormal coordination, stupor, hypotension, abdominal pain, agitation, dizziness and depression. The clinical consequences were in most cases not severe and did not require any treatment. Some more severe cases have been reported the majority resulting from Topiramate combined with other drugs. The standard treatment is to induce vomiting and if needed administer active coal. A few deaths have been reported from overdoses of several different drugs including topiramate but the role of topiramate in those cases has not been studied. Overall the toxicity is low and although there haven’t been any specific studies conducted the conclusions is that the risk of serious harm from excessive dosage of Topiramate is to be considered unlikely...//...
    ..//..Preclinical as well as In vitro studies show that Topiramate have no risk of physical dependency../..

    Sorry for the misspellings translated this on the go and had to change some medical lingo to more understandable wording.
    Please note that I am not a physician or in any way educated in these subjects. I do have an medical/physiology interest but that’s it. The sources is legitimate and the text is excerpts taken from the information on Topiramate that is provided to the Swedish ‘FDA’ and available to all physicians.
    Hope it can bring some clarification on the role of Topiramate in this tragic case.
    As always - Love from Sweden (or at the moment Spain actually...😀)
    //Johannes
    @jtallroth

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    You're a damn good sleuther JTallroth! Nic

    You're a damn good sleuther JTallroth!
    Nic

  • Robert

    Robert Chicago

    The Rosemont Police have released much of the evidence in their death investigation and closed the case. I'd be interested in hearing a follow-up episode with all this new information. A lot of the opinions in the episodes were based on guesses and assumptions, so I'm curious how Nic and The Captain's original theories fit with the new evidence. https://tribwgntv.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/10-20-17-rsmt-death-investigation-case-closed.pdf (warning: graphic images) http://www.rosemont.com/government/village-hall/death-investigation-of-kenneka-jenkins/

    The Rosemont Police have released much of the evidence in their death investigation and closed the case. I'd be interested in hearing a follow-up episode with all this new information. A lot of the opinions in the episodes were based on guesses and assumptions, so I'm curious how Nic and The Captain's original theories fit with the new evidence. https://tribwgntv.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/10-20-17-rsmt-death-investigation-case-closed.pdf
    (warning: graphic images) http://www.rosemont.com/government/village-hall/death-investigation-of-kenneka-jenkins/

  • FeelFreeToPanic

    FeelFreeToPanic

    So much has occurred since you guys recorded part one and part two. You really need to follow up with a part three. A few things to note: 1. A few people are stating that Topiramate does not come with many (if any side effects). This is not true. Having been on it myself for migraines I can tell you that the side effects (at least for me) were severe. The best way to describe it was being in a ‘zombie’ like state; and that was sober. There are plenty of other message boards that are flush with people that have experienced similar side effects and (like me) quit taking it due to these side effects. 2. The autopsy report came back stating that there was no sign of trauma to the body (with exception of a superficial cut to her ankle and a minor laceration on her calf). There were no signs of sexual assault to the body. Bear in mind that BOTH the states and the mothers own pathologist (whom she chose) came to the conclusions. The mother quite clearly agrees with this finding as she cited her own pathologists findings in a motion to the Crowne Plaza to prevent them from destroying any surveillance tape. 3. Photos of the crime scene (including the body) have been released. The body is shown laying partially on it’s side with her head in a corner. Her jacket was still on but her bra was pulled down and she had one shoe off. Many are saying that this points to foul play. It absolutely does not. People who die due to hypothermia go through some fairly predictable phases. One of those phases is a feeling of being very ‘hot’. This does not occur in all cases but it definitely does occur. Kenneka may have removed her shoe and attempted to remove her bra to ‘cool off’. Mind you, in her highly intoxicated state she may have not been able to rationally work through the process of thinking through what she should take off first and second and third etc. It is not unusual for people that freeze to death to be mistaken for victims of sexual assault as often their clothes are very dishelved or completely off. 4. Speaking to the final resting spot of Kanneka’s body. Her head was in the corner of the cooler. Again, many are citing that this direct evidence of foul play. However, this actually plays in the theory that she did pass, alone, due to hypothermia. This is a phenomenon known as ‘terminal burrowing behavior’ and is seen in almost all cases of death due to hypothermia. Shortly before death people tend to attempt to place themselves in small enclosures. Some speculate they do this because they want to ‘warm up’ while yet others argue it is a ‘protective’ measure. It is not at all unusual to find victims that die in this manner curled up under beds, behind cupboards, under patches of Either way you need to think of it this way. Kenneka was in a small room with nothing to hide behind, under or in. Her natural instinct as she neared death would be to ‘burrow’. Seeing as she was in a room with nothing it is natural that she would take her head (the most vulnerable part of her body) and place it in a corner (which is the most protected area in the room). This is a well-known phenomenon in death due to hypothermia and her final positioning speaks volumes to the fact that she was alone and she went through very predictable phases of hypothermia. One thing that has really been bothering me about this case is that everyone is stating that there is some sort of ‘mass cover up’ going on. And my question to that is…..why? Who could have killed her that would warrant a mass cover up that extends all the way up to the FBI? Many are stating that the mother has been paid off and/or threatened and that the entire police force is corrupt and complicit in covering this ‘crime up’. The fact is that this was nothing more than a tragic accident. Had Kanneka been sober this never would have happened. She wandered off from the party and my guess is she was blackout drunk. She wandered the halls not knowing where she was or where she was going; she was wandering aimlessly. She made her way down to the kitchen and opened the cooler door, the door shut automatically behind her. She then opened the freezer door and entered. My guess is that the light was off in the freezer, the door shut behind her and, in her highly inebriated state, she was either unable to find the button to press to open the door, attempted to turn the button (it does look a lot like a door knob), or laid down in the cooler to ‘nap’ and when she awoke she was too far progressed into the phases of hypothermia to help herself. Nothing nefarious took place here. This is just a tragic accident that should have and could have been prevented on a number of levels. PS. Love the show. If the Captain ever wants a real horror story to relay he should consider going on a date with me, I’ll wear my Lady Gaga hat to make it even that much more interesting!

    So much has occurred since you guys recorded part one and part two. You really need to follow up with a part three. A few things to note:

    1. A few people are stating that Topiramate does not come with many (if any side effects). This is not true. Having been on it myself for migraines I can tell you that the side effects (at least for me) were severe. The best way to describe it was being in a ‘zombie’ like state; and that was sober. There are plenty of other message boards that are flush with people that have experienced similar side effects and (like me) quit taking it due to these side effects.
    2. The autopsy report came back stating that there was no sign of trauma to the body (with exception of a superficial cut to her ankle and a minor laceration on her calf). There were no signs of sexual assault to the body. Bear in mind that BOTH the states and the mothers own pathologist (whom she chose) came to the conclusions. The mother quite clearly agrees with this finding as she cited her own pathologists findings in a motion to the Crowne Plaza to prevent them from destroying any surveillance tape.
    3. Photos of the crime scene (including the body) have been released. The body is shown laying partially on it’s side with her head in a corner. Her jacket was still on but her bra was pulled down and she had one shoe off. Many are saying that this points to foul play. It absolutely does not. People who die due to hypothermia go through some fairly predictable phases. One of those phases is a feeling of being very ‘hot’. This does not occur in all cases but it definitely does occur. Kenneka may have removed her shoe and attempted to remove her bra to ‘cool off’. Mind you, in her highly intoxicated state she may have not been able to rationally work through the process of thinking through what she should take off first and second and third etc. It is not unusual for people that freeze to death to be mistaken for victims of sexual assault as often their clothes are very dishelved or completely off.
    4. Speaking to the final resting spot of Kanneka’s body. Her head was in the corner of the cooler. Again, many are citing that this direct evidence of foul play. However, this actually plays in the theory that she did pass, alone, due to hypothermia. This is a phenomenon known as ‘terminal burrowing behavior’ and is seen in almost all cases of death due to hypothermia. Shortly before death people tend to attempt to place themselves in small enclosures. Some speculate they do this because they want to ‘warm up’ while yet others argue it is a ‘protective’ measure. It is not at all unusual to find victims that die in this manner curled up under beds, behind cupboards, under patches of Either way you need to think of it this way. Kenneka was in a small room with nothing to hide behind, under or in. Her natural instinct as she neared death would be to ‘burrow’. Seeing as she was in a room with nothing it is natural that she would take her head (the most vulnerable part of her body) and place it in a corner (which is the most protected area in the room). This is a well-known phenomenon in death due to hypothermia and her final positioning speaks volumes to the fact that she was alone and she went through very predictable phases of hypothermia.

    One thing that has really been bothering me about this case is that everyone is stating that there is some sort of ‘mass cover up’ going on. And my question to that is…..why? Who could have killed her that would warrant a mass cover up that extends all the way up to the FBI? Many are stating that the mother has been paid off and/or threatened and that the entire police force is corrupt and complicit in covering this ‘crime up’. The fact is that this was nothing more than a tragic accident. Had Kanneka been sober this never would have happened.

    She wandered off from the party and my guess is she was blackout drunk. She wandered the halls not knowing where she was or where she was going; she was wandering aimlessly. She made her way down to the kitchen and opened the cooler door, the door shut automatically behind her. She then opened the freezer door and entered. My guess is that the light was off in the freezer, the door shut behind her and, in her highly inebriated state, she was either unable to find the button to press to open the door, attempted to turn the button (it does look a lot like a door knob), or laid down in the cooler to ‘nap’ and when she awoke she was too far progressed into the phases of hypothermia to help herself.

    Nothing nefarious took place here. This is just a tragic accident that should have and could have been prevented on a number of levels.

    PS. Love the show. If the Captain ever wants a real horror story to relay he should consider going on a date with me, I’ll wear my Lady Gaga hat to make it even that much more interesting!

  • Jackie

    Jackie Taunton, MA

    Shady characters all around. The body language exhibited by the 4 ladies walking in to the hotel is very telling. When you are with friends, you tend to stick close or at least in pairs, not this group. They are staggered with ALOT of space as if the girl in front wants nothing to do with the rest of the crew. Their expressions also don't reflect those of girls who would probably look out for anyone in their group. Not putting it on the victim, but I was once on a trip with similiar types of females, and had to part ways on the 2nd day after I found out what kind of careless people I was associating with. That party seems like nothing but sketchiness between the random chicks mixing "drinks" in the bathroom or whatever room that was, and the thug life hoods holding up the wall. My take is, she got handed a ruffied drink (she wasn't on meds so why did she test positive for topiramate??) by one of those sketchy hoodchicks, got sick, and then thrown out of the room by so-called friends. Like the Captain said, no decent human being would leave ANYBODY alone in the state she was in. I'm so angry over this case, since NO ONE is being held accountable for Kenneka's sad demise. The inept police dept. closes a case after a 19 yr old tests positive for alcohol and non-prescribed medication?? At the very least, providing or even allowing underage drinking (hotel staff not doing their job on dispersing this shit show before it resulted in a death) should be a factor in determining criminal liability. So sad.

    Shady characters all around. The body language exhibited by the 4 ladies walking in to the hotel is very telling. When you are with friends, you tend to stick close or at least in pairs, not this group. They are staggered with ALOT of space as if the girl in front wants nothing to do with the rest of the crew. Their expressions also don't reflect those of girls who would probably look out for anyone in their group. Not putting it on the victim, but I was once on a trip with similiar types of females, and had to part ways on the 2nd day after I found out what kind of careless people I was associating with. That party seems like nothing but sketchiness between the random chicks mixing "drinks" in the bathroom or whatever room that was, and the thug life hoods holding up the wall.

    My take is, she got handed a ruffied drink (she wasn't on meds so why did she test positive for topiramate??) by one of those sketchy hoodchicks, got sick, and then thrown out of the room by so-called friends. Like the Captain said, no decent human being would leave ANYBODY alone in the state she was in. I'm so angry over this case, since NO ONE is being held accountable for Kenneka's sad demise. The inept police dept. closes a case after a 19 yr old tests positive for alcohol and non-prescribed medication?? At the very least, providing or even allowing underage drinking (hotel staff not doing their job on dispersing this shit show before it resulted in a death) should be a factor in determining criminal liability. So sad.

  • Laurie

    Laurie Portland, OR

    Hi all! First off, thanks for all you do, you guys are great. I have epilepsy and have been taking topiramate for 7 years. For the first 5 years, I saw a neurologist who told me it was ok to drink alcohol while taking topiramate. I don't know if she was inexperienced or if new studies came out later on, but when I switched doctors at year #5, I suddenly was told that I should never drink alcohol again while taking topiramate because it is REALLY hard on the liver - there are huge warnings all over my prescription packets now. That said, for those first 5 years, I was 21-25 years old and started experimenting with alcohol. I admit I had some experiences when I was very drunk (I also have a very low tolerance). I watched the video of Kenneka staggering and one of the thoughts that passed through my mind was that I have been that drunk before, staggering and feeling very disoriented, holding on to walls or furniture to walk. Alcohol hits me much harder since starting to take topiramate, and I should mention here that I take such a small amount that I am not considered to be in "therapeutic levels" like Kenneka was. I don't know if this has been mentioned, but it takes two weeks for the drug to adjust to therapeutic levels at even the lowest amount. If she was at a higher amount (in order to be at those levels), I believe she would have had to take it over several weeks in order to adjust to each new level. Anyway, if she was taking a higher amount and also drank a lot of alcohol, I can certainly see how she could have started staggering and acting so disoriented because I have experienced similar feelings myself while on the same drug. I don't think we know enough to say what exactly happened, but I just wanted to share my experiences to shed some light on how serious the topiramate + alcohol interaction is.

    Hi all! First off, thanks for all you do, you guys are great.

    I have epilepsy and have been taking topiramate for 7 years. For the first 5 years, I saw a neurologist who told me it was ok to drink alcohol while taking topiramate. I don't know if she was inexperienced or if new studies came out later on, but when I switched doctors at year #5, I suddenly was told that I should never drink alcohol again while taking topiramate because it is REALLY hard on the liver - there are huge warnings all over my prescription packets now.

    That said, for those first 5 years, I was 21-25 years old and started experimenting with alcohol. I admit I had some experiences when I was very drunk (I also have a very low tolerance). I watched the video of Kenneka staggering and one of the thoughts that passed through my mind was that I have been that drunk before, staggering and feeling very disoriented, holding on to walls or furniture to walk. Alcohol hits me much harder since starting to take topiramate, and I should mention here that I take such a small amount that I am not considered to be in "therapeutic levels" like Kenneka was. I don't know if this has been mentioned, but it takes two weeks for the drug to adjust to therapeutic levels at even the lowest amount. If she was at a higher amount (in order to be at those levels), I believe she would have had to take it over several weeks in order to adjust to each new level.

    Anyway, if she was taking a higher amount and also drank a lot of alcohol, I can certainly see how she could have started staggering and acting so disoriented because I have experienced similar feelings myself while on the same drug. I don't think we know enough to say what exactly happened, but I just wanted to share my experiences to shed some light on how serious the topiramate + alcohol interaction is.

  • Jennifer

    Jennifer

    I've been researching what I can of the corruption in Rosemont/Cook County. It’s deep, going back ~100 years and it encompasses all the bad guys a body broker ring would need. It’s happened there before. That place seems like a damn breeding ground for organized crime. It makes sense there was no investigation, no interviews. It’s also so telling that nobody is talking or even asking them to talk. What journalist is going to go to Chicago and get inside information about a gang, a corrupt police force, the local government and all this organ harvesting business? Is the hotel known for illegal activity? Is its owner suspected of illegal organ harvesting? Is the hotel owner friends with the coroner? Is the police chief related to the hotel owner? The hotel is only 2 freaking miles from the Biological Resource Center of Illinois, who were caught in January 2015 “illegally collecting, harvesting and trafficking human body parts for profit”. It shared an address with the Rosemont Police Department. Strange. Can you even perform an autopsy a frozen body? Her autopsy was done the morning of 9/10. If they could, why couldn’t they identify her thymus when she was only 19? I've seen brushstrokes and other apparent evidence of editing done to the CCTV video exposed by amateurs. Has an expert evaluated it? What is up with that bathroom mirror picture that looks like a girl dressed in Kenneka’s clothes? I realized a couple days ago that I honestly don’t see a clear shot of Kenneka’s actual face in any of the pictures or video. Could be coincidental. So weird. I keep getting pulled back into this rabbit hole. (Thanks a lot for introducing me to this case.) I don’t think the hotel thought people would talk about this case for long. I think the video and the autopsy were altered. Autopsy reports have been altered to fit a police chief’s narrative before. The man who supposedly found her body had zero reaction to the experience! Just walked away all nonchalantly. The policeman and coroner were laughing in there. Watch the behavior of the coroner’s assistant, too. He looked weirded out after looking at the camera. I don’t know. This thing has got me messed up! If all these things are just convenient coincidences it was still a joke of an “investigation”. I have so many more questions and I hope you guys revisit this someday!

    I've been researching what I can of the corruption in Rosemont/Cook County. It’s deep, going back ~100 years and it encompasses all the bad guys a body broker ring would need. It’s happened there before. That place seems like a damn breeding ground for organized crime.

    It makes sense there was no investigation, no interviews. It’s also so telling that nobody is talking or even asking them to talk.

    What journalist is going to go to Chicago and get inside information about a gang, a corrupt police force, the local government and all this organ harvesting business?

    Is the hotel known for illegal activity? Is its owner suspected of illegal organ harvesting? Is the hotel owner friends with the coroner? Is the police chief related to the hotel owner?

    The hotel is only 2 freaking miles from the Biological Resource Center of Illinois, who were caught in January 2015 “illegally collecting, harvesting and trafficking human body parts for profit”. It shared an address with the Rosemont Police Department. Strange.

    Can you even perform an autopsy a frozen body? Her autopsy was done the morning of 9/10. If they could, why couldn’t they identify her thymus when she was only 19?

    I've seen brushstrokes and other apparent evidence of editing done to the CCTV video exposed by amateurs. Has an expert evaluated it? What is up with that bathroom mirror picture that looks like a girl dressed in Kenneka’s clothes? I realized a couple days ago that I honestly don’t see a clear shot of Kenneka’s actual face in any of the pictures or video. Could be coincidental. So weird.

    I keep getting pulled back into this rabbit hole. (Thanks a lot for introducing me to this case.)

    I don’t think the hotel thought people would talk about this case for long. I think the video and the autopsy were altered. Autopsy reports have been altered to fit a police chief’s narrative before.

    The man who supposedly found her body had zero reaction to the experience! Just walked away all nonchalantly. The policeman and coroner were laughing in there. Watch the behavior of the coroner’s assistant, too. He looked weirded out after looking at the camera. I don’t know. This thing has got me messed up!

    If all these things are just convenient coincidences it was still a joke of an “investigation”.

    I have so many more questions and I hope you guys revisit this someday!

  • JTallroth

    JTallroth

    Just want to clear up some things about Topiramate that I wrote a couple of weeks ago and what others have written since. There can absolutely be side effects to Topiramate just as to any other drug. For some people the side effects are severe while others have non what so ever. This is especially true for drugs/medicines that affect your mood/psyche. So when I stated that Topiramate isn’t something that should have a major role in this tragic case I mean that Topiramate isn’t a substance that would ‘work to drug someone’ by giving a single dose. If your on this drug for medical reasons alcohol isn’t a good idea (even if not that dangerous in SMALL quantities). A person on this drug could very well suffer really bad side effects. I’ve been on SSRI for a while about 10-12 years ago and I felt so bad! I couldn’t take it and my doctor agreed that I shouldn’t even try another one after my bad experience while trying two different kinds. What I’m saying is that there’s a big difference between being on a specific drug, like Topiramate, and experience really bad side effects, and take a single (or a few) doses. The latter doesn’t cause those side effects since this kind of drug, as stated by a previous commenter, take time to ‘stabilize and kick in’. Hope that cleared up my previous statements and I hope no one took offense with me basically saying that Topiramate doesn’t cause ‘bad things’ - It most certainly can cause very unpleasant side effects for people who use it regularly as prescribed by a physician. Thanks! /Johannes @jtallroth

    Just want to clear up some things about Topiramate that I wrote a couple of weeks ago and what others have written since.
    There can absolutely be side effects to Topiramate just as to any other drug. For some people the side effects are severe while others have non what so ever. This is especially true for drugs/medicines that affect your mood/psyche. So when I stated that Topiramate isn’t something that should have a major role in this tragic case I mean that Topiramate isn’t a substance that would ‘work to drug someone’ by giving a single dose. If your on this drug for medical reasons alcohol isn’t a good idea (even if not that dangerous in SMALL quantities). A person on this drug could very well suffer really bad side effects. I’ve been on SSRI for a while about 10-12 years ago and I felt so bad! I couldn’t take it and my doctor agreed that I shouldn’t even try another one after my bad experience while trying two different kinds. What I’m saying is that there’s a big difference between being on a specific drug, like Topiramate, and experience really bad side effects, and take a single (or a few) doses. The latter doesn’t cause those side effects since this kind of drug, as stated by a previous commenter, take time to ‘stabilize and kick in’.
    Hope that cleared up my previous statements and I hope no one took offense with me basically saying that Topiramate doesn’t cause ‘bad things’ - It most certainly can cause very unpleasant side effects for people who use it regularly as prescribed by a physician.
    Thanks!
    /Johannes
    @jtallroth

  • Soeng

    Soeng Parts Unknown

    https://youtu.be/ebxSMM_ekLw This video at 8.20. This def looks like a body, def is undeniably the position Kenneka was found in, and would explain the piece of black trash bag visible on her nail in the crime scene photos. Would also explain the ankle cut as that leg was rammed here into a dish cart. Crime.. not accident. C'mon LE! she was found with a breast exposed and her pants open and partly down. To call this an accident is insulting to the intelligence of anyone who has google. Wasted people don't walk into freezers for a nap. Also, judging by how filthy the freezer is and the fact that the kitchen is clearly a defunct one, it is obvious to me the hotel, wouldn't pay the util to keep that freezer on, someone turned it on after she was placed there. The paper towels are empty, the ice machine has no door, so that isn't on and functioning, the empty hood area with the spigots looks like steam kettles were removed. abandoned defunct kitchen with a double freezer cranking? Doubtful.

    https://youtu.be/ebxSMM_ekLw This video at 8.20. This def looks like a body, def is undeniably the position Kenneka was found in, and would explain the piece of black trash bag visible on her nail in the crime scene photos. Would also explain the ankle cut as that leg was rammed here into a dish cart.
    Crime.. not accident. C'mon LE! she was found with a breast exposed and her pants open and partly down. To call this an accident is insulting to the intelligence of anyone who has google. Wasted people don't walk into freezers for a nap. Also, judging by how filthy the freezer is and the fact that the kitchen is clearly a defunct one, it is obvious to me the hotel, wouldn't pay the util to keep that freezer on, someone turned it on after she was placed there. The paper towels are empty, the ice machine has no door, so that isn't on and functioning, the empty hood area with the spigots looks like steam kettles were removed. abandoned defunct kitchen with a double freezer cranking? Doubtful.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    I'm with you Soeng, This just don't feel right and it doesn't pass the smell test. Crime, not accident! Nic

    I'm with you Soeng,
    This just don't feel right and it doesn't pass the smell test. Crime, not accident!
    Nic

  • Mark

    Mark Austin

    I think she is clearly drunk. As you see her get off elevators, walk down halls, there is never anybody following her or pursuing her. She is trashed and has no idea where she is going. I see someone that will soon be passing out. She has no idea where she is going and appears to just be wandering. She found herself in an empty kitchen area, due to the time, and went into a freezer and passed out. There she died of hypothermia. Where is any trace of foul play? The hotel was operating with a skeleton crew and really could do nothing. The police had zero reason to intervene quickly, someone went to a party and they hadn't come home yet? That applies to millions every weekend in this country. I think people are trying to hard to make up conspiracy theories.

    I think she is clearly drunk. As you see her get off elevators, walk down halls, there is never anybody following her or pursuing her. She is trashed and has no idea where she is going. I see someone that will soon be passing out. She has no idea where she is going and appears to just be wandering. She found herself in an empty kitchen area, due to the time, and went into a freezer and passed out. There she died of hypothermia. Where is any trace of foul play? The hotel was operating with a skeleton crew and really could do nothing. The police had zero reason to intervene quickly, someone went to a party and they hadn't come home yet? That applies to millions every weekend in this country. I think people are trying to hard to make up conspiracy theories.

  • Cloudcuckooland

    Cloudcuckooland

    I love your guys show but I believe your conspiracy theory on this one is a stretch.

    I love your guys show but I believe your conspiracy theory on this one is a stretch.

  • toby

    toby Cardiff, Wales

    When I was a kid I had a job in a pub that had a walk in freezer. I went to get something & the door shut behind me. It was pretty dark and no one had shown me the big red button to push to open the door again. I spent what was probably only 90 seconds in a blind panic (it felt more like 90 minutes) before I figured it out. I'm 100% certain that if I was wasted then I'd have been in that MF until someone came to find me. This girl looks beyond drunk - I've sure as hell been known to enjoy an ale, a bottle of wine, a whisky - often all 3 - & I'm pretty sure I've never thrown my head back in that strange way she does on the clip. Really sad - what a waste

    When I was a kid I had a job in a pub that had a walk in freezer. I went to get something & the door shut behind me. It was pretty dark and no one had shown me the big red button to push to open the door again. I spent what was probably only 90 seconds in a blind panic (it felt more like 90 minutes) before I figured it out.
    I'm 100% certain that if I was wasted then I'd have been in that MF until someone came to find me.
    This girl looks beyond drunk - I've sure as hell been known to enjoy an ale, a bottle of wine, a whisky - often all 3 - & I'm pretty sure I've never thrown my head back in that strange way she does on the clip.
    Really sad - what a waste

  • TurboKiller

    TurboKiller

    I know I'm a little late to the party on this one but... something about this case really bothering me so I been sleuthing a bit while at work. I personally take what the people around her and friends of the people around her at the party say as close to the truth, the people involved in this case are not the type of people that would divulge any information at all to an investigation of any kind but absolutely would put each other on blast in the street or on social media.... You guys mentioned the video on where the girls kept referring to a drink belonging to a specific person, you have the texts from Monefah about the 200$ and rape. I know jtaller had a really good breakdown of Topiramate and the reported effects that it has, but I think its very strange that the family for one states Kaneka was never prescribed that, and two she has SO much in her system. I mean she has the absolute maximum dose for 6 days worth, based on the toxicology reported recommended dosage is around 200 she has 3000mL and just a quick goggle result shows that its possible she took the maximum dosage of 500 for 6 days and it stayed in her system. There are people that say she was known for being too fucked up to function at parties and you give someone that much of any kind of drug on top of drinking that much and smoking they are going to be out of their head. Maybe it was just an accident in the end I can see how it would be damn near impossible to get out of a freezer having worked in kitchens before and just knowing how janky they can be and its pitch black in their, but I still think she was drugged by her friends with the intentions of doing bad things to her. All and all just a complete shame and a waste... but I would really like to know an explanation of why she would have so much in her system, when she was never known by her family to be prescribed to it. I also find it really hard to believe that in her panic she pulled her bra down and took off her shoe? I mean I just think the way she looked in the freezer seemed odd especially considering the stories you hear of people on mount Everest who seem to be frozen in place. Would she not be huddled up in a ball ? I know you can call it conspiracy theory and act like people who doubt this are crazy but, nothing about this feels right.

    I know I'm a little late to the party on this one but... something about this case really bothering me so I been sleuthing a bit while at work.

    I personally take what the people around her and friends of the people around her at the party say as close to the truth, the people involved in this case are not the type of people that would divulge any information at all to an investigation of any kind but absolutely would put each other on blast in the street or on social media.... You guys mentioned the video on where the girls kept referring to a drink belonging to a specific person, you have the texts from Monefah about the 200$ and rape. I know jtaller had a really good breakdown of Topiramate and the reported effects that it has, but I think its very strange that the family for one states Kaneka was never prescribed that, and two she has SO much in her system. I mean she has the absolute maximum dose for 6 days worth, based on the toxicology reported recommended dosage is around 200 she has 3000mL and just a quick goggle result shows that its possible she took the maximum dosage of 500 for 6 days and it stayed in her system. There are people that say she was known for being too fucked up to function at parties and you give someone that much of any kind of drug on top of drinking that much and smoking they are going to be out of their head.

    Maybe it was just an accident in the end I can see how it would be damn near impossible to get out of a freezer having worked in kitchens before and just knowing how janky they can be and its pitch black in their, but I still think she was drugged by her friends with the intentions of doing bad things to her. All and all just a complete shame and a waste... but I would really like to know an explanation of why she would have so much in her system, when she was never known by her family to be prescribed to it.

    I also find it really hard to believe that in her panic she pulled her bra down and took off her shoe? I mean I just think the way she looked in the freezer seemed odd especially considering the stories you hear of people on mount Everest who seem to be frozen in place. Would she not be huddled up in a ball ? I know you can call it conspiracy theory and act like people who doubt this are crazy but, nothing about this feels right.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    I'm with you TKiller this should have been ruled a suspicious death. One of these young adults would talk eventually and I think several of them know what really went down at that hotel. Nic

    I'm with you TKiller this should have been ruled a suspicious death. One of these young adults would talk eventually and I think several of them know what really went down at that hotel.
    Nic

  • Patricia

    Patricia Parts Unknown

    I know im a little late coming into this but i decided to go online and found the autopsy and toxicology report. I put the link in case anyone wants to view. www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-kenneka-jenkins-autopsy-toxicology-report-20171006-htmlstory.html

    I know im a little late coming into this but i decided to go online and found the autopsy and toxicology report. I put the link in case anyone wants to view. www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-kenneka-jenkins-autopsy-toxicology-report-20171006-htmlstory.html

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thank you Patricia! Nic

    Thank you Patricia!
    Nic

  • Bethie

    Bethie

    I'm a little behind, still catching up on episodes, but after listening to this one on Tuesday, I am about to get all up in the rabbit hole. I don't think I can get behind an accidental death ruling 100%. There is so much speculation though I'm not sure where to start. One post says all of the video footage is bogus and just a police reenactment, which I finally incredibly unlikely on an accidental death ruling. Then another post says that they have footage of the cops going in and out of the freezer after her body was found but no footage that shows her going in there. Weeeeird. Call me Alice and wish me luck because I'm going down that hole hard and fast.

    I'm a little behind, still catching up on episodes, but after listening to this one on Tuesday, I am about to get all up in the rabbit hole. I don't think I can get behind an accidental death ruling 100%. There is so much speculation though I'm not sure where to start. One post says all of the video footage is bogus and just a police reenactment, which I finally incredibly unlikely on an accidental death ruling. Then another post says that they have footage of the cops going in and out of the freezer after her body was found but no footage that shows her going in there. Weeeeird.
    Call me Alice and wish me luck because I'm going down that hole hard and fast.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    The footage is real. The fake police reenactment footage was just a rumor started by morons. Nic

    The footage is real. The fake police reenactment footage was just a rumor started by morons.
    Nic

  • Bethie

    Bethie

    [quote=True Crime Garage ] The footage is real. The fake police reenactment footage was just a rumor started by morons. Nic [/quote] So. Many. Morons! I spent about 3 hours just on Gray Hughes videos. Unreal.

    True Crime Garage wrote:

    The footage is real. The fake police reenactment footage was just a rumor started by morons.
    Nic

    So. Many. Morons! I spent about 3 hours just on Gray Hughes videos. Unreal.

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous

    Pardon my ignorance on the subject but..... Is Topiramate used as a recreational drug in the US? Just trying to understand if her drink was spiked or if she took it willingly. Also, I couldn't find a supposed time of death on the autopsy report or the police report. She was found 21 hours after walking into the freezer, clearly she could have been found alive. Are they withholding the time of death to avoid a costly civil suit?

    Pardon my ignorance on the subject but..... Is Topiramate used as a recreational drug in the US? Just trying to understand if her drink was spiked or if she took it willingly.
    Also, I couldn't find a supposed time of death on the autopsy report or the police report. She was found 21 hours after walking into the freezer, clearly she could have been found alive. Are they withholding the time of death to avoid a costly civil suit?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    At Anon - I'm not a great source for this answer but I never heard of this being used as a recreational drug anywhere. These kids are young so maybe it's a "new thing." Could be they were looking to cause trouble and thought anything would do and this is what I can get my hands on or they could have thought or been told it was something else. Buying recreational drugs is risky because they are not regulated, there is no guarantee that you are getting what you request/pay for. I think the manner of death is giving issue to the window that would be the time of death. This in my untrained not expert opinion is an autopsy full of holes. Nic

    At Anon - I'm not a great source for this answer but I never heard of this being used as a recreational drug anywhere. These kids are young so maybe it's a "new thing." Could be they were looking to cause trouble and thought anything would do and this is what I can get my hands on or they could have thought or been told it was something else. Buying recreational drugs is risky because they are not regulated, there is no guarantee that you are getting what you request/pay for. I think the manner of death is giving issue to the window that would be the time of death. This in my untrained not expert opinion is an autopsy full of holes. Nic

  • Candace

    Candace Halifax

    It’s actually not surprising that no one from the hotel went to tell the partiers to keep it down; they were probably afraid to get accused of bigotry and be sued or something. Remember that case from a few years back where the ladies on a Napa wine trip got booted off the train for being obnoxiously drunk and loud, then kicked up a stink about it? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3208842/Group-black-women-kicked-Napa-wine-tour-laughing-loud-white-guest-witnessed-incident-calls-staff-saying-actions-racially-motivated.html

    It’s actually not surprising that no one from the hotel went to tell the partiers to keep it down; they were probably afraid to get accused of bigotry and be sued or something. Remember that case from a few years back where the ladies on a Napa wine trip got booted off the train for being obnoxiously drunk and loud, then kicked up a stink about it?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3208842/Group-black-women-kicked-Napa-wine-tour-laughing-loud-white-guest-witnessed-incident-calls-staff-saying-actions-racially-motivated.html

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