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  • Reb

    Reb DC

    Thanks again for introducing a case I have never heard of! A few thoughts: 1. I was listening to Part 2 in the Metro. When you read the quote at the end from the poor little boy who lost his family, and still managed to show his own measure of compassion and sense of justice, I had to hold back tears. 2. In your original recitation of the actual crime, with no knowledge of the case, I immediately thought “oh, multiple killers.” Victims with machete and knife wounds??? I tried to think of any way, unless someone has Mad Ninja Skills how someone could use both weapons at the same time. And, WHY? A machete is damn effective in and of itself. Using a knife, too, would be weird and ineffective. 3. I would have liked to hear the prosecutor’s response to the eye witnesses who saw the men in the car. Particularly the ones who wrote down the plate number. 4. Long Beach isn’t on the way to Mexico. It is well west of I-5. And it would have been a complicated production as a hitchhiker to get back on track to travel to Mexico. 5. What is illogical here is why the hell he would have ditched the car. If you believe the motive was to steal the car to get to Mexico AND that he hung around and drank a beer because he THOUGHT EVERYONE WAS DEAD, he had every reason to think that the bodies wouldn’t be discovered until morning - then he would have darned well been sure he could make it to Mexico before an alert went out on the car. Even if he didn’t want to cross border control, he would of gone much further south. 6. While he theoretically could have been the killer and made the trip in time, that is assuming an almost celestially lucky stream of events for a black man in 1983 to get a series of rides hitchhiking starting in the middle of the night. WITH NO SHIRT ON. Great episode. Absent a confession, I suspect we will never know. Finally, I don’t want to stick a dck in a hornets nest, but I wish Nic had said “you don’t need to examine the racial issues to evaluate the bountiful objective evidence” rather than saying race wasn’t a factor at all- which is speculative on your part and is undermined by some horrible police history in this area. Just google them. As always, your podcast is the highlight of my week!

    Thanks again for introducing a case I have never heard of! A few thoughts:
    1. I was listening to Part 2 in the Metro. When you read the quote at the end from the poor little boy who lost his family, and still managed to show his own measure of compassion and sense of justice, I had to hold back tears.

    2. In your original recitation of the actual crime, with no knowledge of the case, I immediately thought “oh, multiple killers.” Victims with machete and knife wounds??? I tried to think of any way, unless someone has Mad Ninja Skills how someone could use both weapons at the same time. And, WHY? A machete is damn effective in and of itself. Using a knife, too, would be weird and ineffective.

    3. I would have liked to hear the prosecutor’s response to the eye witnesses who saw the men in the car. Particularly the ones who wrote down the plate number.

    4. Long Beach isn’t on the way to Mexico. It is well west of I-5. And it would have been a complicated production as a hitchhiker to get back on track to travel to Mexico.

    5. What is illogical here is why the hell he would have ditched the car. If you believe the motive was to steal the car to get to Mexico AND that he hung around and drank a beer because he THOUGHT EVERYONE WAS DEAD, he had every reason to think that the bodies wouldn’t be discovered until morning - then he would have darned well been sure he could make it to Mexico before an alert went out on the car. Even if he didn’t want to cross border control, he would of gone much further south.

    6. While he theoretically could have been the killer and made the trip in time, that is assuming an almost celestially lucky stream of events for a black man in 1983 to get a series of rides hitchhiking starting in the middle of the night. WITH NO SHIRT ON.

    Great episode. Absent a confession, I suspect we will never know.

    Finally, I don’t want to stick a dck in a hornets nest, but I wish Nic had said “you don’t need to examine the racial issues to evaluate the bountiful objective evidence” rather than saying race wasn’t a factor at all- which is speculative on your part and is undermined by some horrible police history in this area. Just google them.

    As always, your podcast is the highlight of my week!

  • Nicole

    Nicole Erie PA

    Whenever I hear of such violent crimes, I assume there was a motive or intense hatred of the victims (aka not a stranger who wants to steal your car). I’m curious as to whether the marks on the daughters chest/abdomen indicated anything - y’all have discussed “messages” left on bodies before. Did your research reveal anything to this nature?

    Whenever I hear of such violent crimes, I assume there was a motive or intense hatred of the victims (aka not a stranger who wants to steal your car). I’m curious as to whether the marks on the daughters chest/abdomen indicated anything - y’all have discussed “messages” left on bodies before. Did your research reveal anything to this nature?

  • Bill Kuhnlenz

    Bill Kuhnlenz Modesto ca

    Was there edta on the sample of blood on the T-shirt from the victim or just edta from cooper?

    Was there edta on the sample of blood on the T-shirt from the victim or just edta from cooper?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Bill that is the best question anyone has ever presented IMO on this case and one I had not thought of. My answer is, I don't know.... There is no information or argument out there for this thought, that I am aware of and I've been pouring through this for 10 days. If I find something, I'll post here. Nic

    Bill that is the best question anyone has ever presented IMO on this case and one I had not thought of. My answer is, I don't know.... There is no information or argument out there for this thought, that I am aware of and I've been pouring through this for 10 days. If I find something, I'll post here.
    Nic

  • Kingbat

    Kingbat NY

    I remember sending you information on this case and urging you to do it. No need for a shout-out, because obviously you guys don't do those.

    I remember sending you information on this case and urging you to do it. No need for a shout-out, because obviously you guys don't do those.

  • Stephanie

    Stephanie CA

    I woke up this morning more disturbed than I was after listening yesterday. This just doesn't feel right. I think he is innocent of this crime, and it should be re-investigated. My heart breaks for that little boy (I assume is grown now). I have a little boy the same age.

    I woke up this morning more disturbed than I was after listening yesterday. This just doesn't feel right. I think he is innocent of this crime, and it should be re-investigated. My heart breaks for that little boy (I assume is grown now). I have a little boy the same age.

  • Caleb

    Caleb Yorktown, IN

    After listening, I was curious, the bloody shirt found has Doug's and Kevin's blood, but if Kevin slaughtered all four victims, why wasn't blood from each of the victims found on the shirt? Based on the scene photos, (especially the bed though) four victims would equal copious cast off blood all over Kevin. In my opinion, one victim source of blood on the shirt, and no others, would point to multiple attackers.

    After listening, I was curious, the bloody shirt found has Doug's and Kevin's blood, but if Kevin slaughtered all four victims, why wasn't blood from each of the victims found on the shirt? Based on the scene photos, (especially the bed though) four victims would equal copious cast off blood all over Kevin. In my opinion, one victim source of blood on the shirt, and no others, would point to multiple attackers.

  • Reb

    Reb DC

    Damn, Bill. Just damn.

    Damn, Bill. Just damn.

  • Caleb

    Caleb Yorktown, IN

    Correction, all 5 victims.

    Correction, all 5 victims.

  • Courtney Taylor

    Courtney Taylor Columbia, SC

    Question. The shirt...did the fathers blood found on the shirt contain the preservative as well? Was the girlfriend and other witnesses ever called to testify? I just don’t see the overwhelming evidence for conviction as nick said.

    Question. The shirt...did the fathers blood found on the shirt contain the preservative as well?
    Was the girlfriend and other witnesses ever called to testify? I just don’t see the overwhelming evidence for conviction as nick said.

  • Larry

    Larry Spring Hill, FL

    Let’s say it was Mr. Cooper and he was wearing that shirt... Considering the small timeframe within which he would’ve had to carry out the countless injuries suffered by the each of the victims (let alone within a confined space), how would only the initial victim’s blood and no one else’s be on that shirt? Furthermore, where was his blood located on the shirt and was there any evidence on his body or the shirt to suggest a specific injury he may have suffered that led to this? It seems to me that only one victim’s blood on the shirt suggests it was worn by one attacker while the other victims’ blood spatter would’ve then been located on other persons, like those other clothes that were never examined or taken in. Just a couple thoughts... Keep up the great work, gentlemen! I LUHV YO JIBS!

    Let’s say it was Mr. Cooper and he was wearing that shirt... Considering the small timeframe within which he would’ve had to carry out the countless injuries suffered by the each of the victims (let alone within a confined space), how would only the initial victim’s blood and no one else’s be on that shirt? Furthermore, where was his blood located on the shirt and was there any evidence on his body or the shirt to suggest a specific injury he may have suffered that led to this? It seems to me that only one victim’s blood on the shirt suggests it was worn by one attacker while the other victims’ blood spatter would’ve then been located on other persons, like those other clothes that were never examined or taken in. Just a couple thoughts...

    Keep up the great work, gentlemen! I LUHV YO JIBS!

  • Robert Rexrode

    Robert Rexrode San Diego

    The testing done during the federal habeas proceedings did attempt to control for background EDTA on the shirt. Arguably, that attempt, like all of the testing on the shirt, was botched. A very straightforward recitation of why the EDTA testimg pointed toward the blood being planted can be found in Ninth Circuit Judge William Fletcher’s dissent from denial of en banc review, available at http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2009/05/11/05-99004o.pdf (the relevant part of the dissent begins on page 30).

    The testing done during the federal habeas proceedings did attempt to control for background EDTA on the shirt. Arguably, that attempt, like all of the testing on the shirt, was botched. A very straightforward recitation of why the EDTA testimg pointed toward the blood being planted can be found in Ninth Circuit Judge William Fletcher’s dissent from denial of en banc review, available at http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2009/05/11/05-99004o.pdf (the relevant part of the dissent begins on page 30).

  • Angela

    Angela Connecticut

    Hey guys! Love the show! Just finished episode one of Kevin Cooper and I don’t want to jump to too many conclusions about you guys, but I’m thinking neither of you have ever smoked. You totally can tell the difference between one tobacco brand and another. They differ in taste, smell, texture... a Marlboro is nothing like a Winston and they both are nothing like a Pall Mall. Think of it like cheese...it may all be American but one person prefers kraft over sargentos. I quit smoking years ago but can still smell the difference in tobacco. And the way it burns. 🤦🏻‍♀️

    Hey guys! Love the show! Just finished episode one of Kevin Cooper and I don’t want to jump to too many conclusions about you guys, but I’m thinking neither of you have ever smoked. You totally can tell the difference between one tobacco brand and another. They differ in taste, smell, texture... a Marlboro is nothing like a Winston and they both are nothing like a Pall Mall. Think of it like cheese...it may all be American but one person prefers kraft over sargentos. I quit smoking years ago but can still smell the difference in tobacco. And the way it burns. 🤦🏻‍♀️

  • Jeff

    Jeff New Castle, Va

    My question, has the other blood sample found in the shirt contain EDTA also? If yes, GUILTY! If not, INNOCENT.....

    My question, has the other blood sample found in the shirt contain EDTA also? If yes, GUILTY! If not, INNOCENT.....

  • Melissa

    Melissa Virginia

    Why was there only one victims blood on the shirt if it was one person that attack all 5 people. Especially the manner they were killed that shirt should have blood from the other victims. If his blood was on the shirt it would be in the car to. This case is mind boggling. Either there were more prole involved with him or he wasn't there.

    Why was there only one victims blood on the shirt if it was one person that attack all 5 people. Especially the manner they were killed that shirt should have blood from the other victims. If his blood was on the shirt it would be in the car to. This case is mind boggling. Either there were more prole involved with him or he wasn't there.

  • Mellow

    Mellow Seattle

    Great question Bill. I agree with some of the above comments about the over kill on so many of the victims being stabbed 40 times etc. detectives almost always say that is a crime by someone you know or a crime of passion not just someone wanting to steal a car. That just doesn’t sit right with me at all. It’s so frustrating to hear how the investigators seem to focus in on him and ignored the overalls and other evidence pointing to three white killers instead.

    Great question Bill. I agree with some of the above comments about the over kill on so many of the victims being stabbed 40 times etc. detectives almost always say that is a crime by someone you know or a crime of passion not just someone wanting to steal a car. That just doesn’t sit right with me at all. It’s so frustrating to hear how the investigators seem to focus in on him and ignored the overalls and other evidence pointing to three white killers instead.

  • Razor

    Razor Nyc

    Episode 1... Oh this guy is totally guilty! Episode 2... What?? These other guys definitely did it! Cooper was framed. I'm so confused! Great job guys. Its too bad they didn't save that beer can/bottle caus it might have had enough for a DNA sample.

    Episode 1... Oh this guy is totally guilty!

    Episode 2... What?? These other guys definitely did it! Cooper was framed.

    I'm so confused! Great job guys. Its too bad they didn't save that beer can/bottle caus it might have had enough for a DNA sample.

  • Debbie

    Debbie Rapid City SD

    I agree with Nicole. The family was viciously attacked a.k.a. overkill. Usually points to a revenge type killing. The gang of 3 who's leader had a business run in with the family makes more sense as suspects. Also, multiple killers seems to fit both the survivors story and the variety of wounds on the victims. Some of the evidence pointing to Kevin could have been easily planted, including the blood on the t-shirt.

    I agree with Nicole. The family was viciously attacked a.k.a. overkill. Usually points to a revenge type killing. The gang of 3 who's leader had a business run in with the family makes more sense as suspects. Also, multiple killers seems to fit both the survivors story and the
    variety of wounds on the victims. Some of the evidence pointing to Kevin could have been easily planted, including the blood on the t-shirt.

  • Chris Grannes

    Chris Grannes Minnesota

    were there any bloody imprints of either weapon (from one being set down)at the crime scene? or,if its supposed to be him, how did he use two at once?

    were there any bloody imprints of either weapon (from one being set down)at the crime scene? or,if its supposed to be him, how did he use two at once?

  • Jess

    Jess Nova Scotia

    Great show and an interesting case. My heart goes out to the survivor and the families effected. Just a thought but it is possible there was a jail connection between Cooper and the gang you covered? It just seems like there could be a link, him getting out of jail and possibly at the scene. Why can't it be both suspects? Just a thought. Keep up the great work. 😊

    Great show and an interesting case. My heart goes out to the survivor and the families effected.
    Just a thought but it is possible there was a jail connection between Cooper and the gang you covered? It just seems like there could be a link, him getting out of jail and possibly at the scene. Why can't it be both suspects? Just a thought.
    Keep up the great work. 😊

  • Ric

    Ric Parts forsaken

    Hi guys, I just listened to the podcasts and I still have a question......what was carved on the daughters torso? The survivor say it, you discussed the tool/weapon used......what did it say? Thanks

    Hi guys,
    I just listened to the podcasts and I still have a question......what was carved on the daughters torso?
    The survivor say it, you discussed the tool/weapon used......what did it say?

    Thanks

  • Bill Kuhnlenz

    Bill Kuhnlenz Modesto

    Nic, it would be pretty profound if it only showed up in his blood sample. (If the victims blood was also on the shirt) thanks for the reply.

    Nic, it would be pretty profound if it only showed up in his blood sample. (If the victims blood was also on the shirt) thanks for the reply.

  • Steven

    Steven UT

    I agree with a lot of these comments, so I will not rehash them. My two questions are as follows: The timeline of the actual murders. I know how ME's determine a time of death, but how can they know the time of death was within minutes of one another? There are also ways to tell what kind of weapons were used beyond just a hatchet and knife, so I think that the case would benefit from more attention by the ME, although it is probably too late for that. I felt like there could have been more effort on the ME's part. I always ask myself "Who benefits" from a death/murder. I know that crazy people kill without a motive beyond their own psychosis, but for a murder like this, I have to believe that there was a reason for it. So who benefited from the murders? Killing an entire family in order to steal a car does not feel like a motive to murder 4 people; I could see one person being killed for that reason, like a carjacking. I just don't feel like anyone has provided a compelling case for how Cooper benefited from this murder. And if he did not benefit from it, why do it?

    I agree with a lot of these comments, so I will not rehash them. My two questions are as follows:

    The timeline of the actual murders. I know how ME's determine a time of death, but how can they know the time of death was within minutes of one another? There are also ways to tell what kind of weapons were used beyond just a hatchet and knife, so I think that the case would benefit from more attention by the ME, although it is probably too late for that. I felt like there could have been more effort on the ME's part.

    I always ask myself "Who benefits" from a death/murder. I know that crazy people kill without a motive beyond their own psychosis, but for a murder like this, I have to believe that there was a reason for it. So who benefited from the murders? Killing an entire family in order to steal a car does not feel like a motive to murder 4 people; I could see one person being killed for that reason, like a carjacking. I just don't feel like anyone has provided a compelling case for how Cooper benefited from this murder. And if he did not benefit from it, why do it?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Sorry for the no shout out thing. We get cases recommended all of the time. Sometimes multiple people requests the same cases. It's just the two of us in the garage. We keep a list of the cases sent to us, must of the time where the request came from is not added to the list. It sounds silly but it's a lot of work maintaining the list. Cheers Nic

    Sorry for the no shout out thing. We get cases recommended all of the time. Sometimes multiple people requests the same cases. It's just the two of us in the garage. We keep a list of the cases sent to us, must of the time where the request came from is not added to the list. It sounds silly but it's a lot of work maintaining the list.
    Cheers Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    As for the carvings - none of the sources I could find gave any better of a description than the Nic version of the autopsy read on the show. This leads me to guess whatever was carved is unrecognized or was nothing at all and more or less just random slicing. Nic

    As for the carvings - none of the sources I could find gave any better of a description than the Nic version of the autopsy read on the show. This leads me to guess whatever was carved is unrecognized or was nothing at all and more or less just random slicing.
    Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Hi Angela - I agree with all of your statements - some cigarettes smell, taste, burn different all things I have noticed but we were simply discussing the look of loose tobacco- other than cut length I don't feel I could look at loose tobacco and say these are different oh and this one here is this particular brand. Nic

    Hi Angela - I agree with all of your statements - some cigarettes smell, taste, burn different all things I have noticed but we were simply discussing the look of loose tobacco- other than cut length I don't feel I could look at loose tobacco and say these are different oh and this one here is this particular brand.
    Nic

  • Lisa

    Lisa Tejas

    Based solely on the information given in the 2 eps., I feel like the evidence is overwhelming that Cooper is innocent. I agree with other commenters that the type of murder - overkill specifically - isn't something someone does in order to steal a car. Stealing a car and risking being seen doesn't seem to jive with the fact Cooper slept in a closet to prevent detection. I'm also not convinced that the amount of trauma the victims suffered in the short time span that is suggested is something that a single person with two hand weapons would execute well.

    Based solely on the information given in the 2 eps., I feel like the evidence is overwhelming that Cooper is innocent. I agree with other commenters that the type of murder - overkill specifically - isn't something someone does in order to steal a car. Stealing a car and risking being seen doesn't seem to jive with the fact Cooper slept in a closet to prevent detection. I'm also not convinced that the amount of trauma the victims suffered in the short time span that is suggested is something that a single person with two hand weapons would execute well.

  • Jenell

    Jenell CA

    I was so excited to hear you were drinking one of my favorite beers!! We go to Claremont Craft all the time and the grapefruit is always my go to!! Thanks for making my sucky commute bearable! Love you guys

    I was so excited to hear you were drinking one of my favorite beers!! We go to Claremont Craft all the time and the grapefruit is always my go to!! Thanks for making my sucky commute bearable! Love you guys

  • Carmen

    Carmen Key West. FL

    I agree with Larry’s comment on the shirt. If only one individual committed these brutal crimes, the shirt should be full of blood from all victims, the fact that only has the blood of the first victim, points out to multiple killers. How come the defense lawyer doesn’t point that out?

    I agree with Larry’s comment on the shirt. If only one individual committed these brutal crimes, the shirt should be full of blood from all victims, the fact that only has the blood of the first victim, points out to multiple killers. How come the defense lawyer doesn’t point that out?

  • Betts

    Betts Near Jackson, WY

    I just listened to this day. I had never heard of this case but after listening to it, I totally agree with you, evidence points to Mr. Cooper and evidence proves Mr. Cooper didn't do it. What I do believe is that whoever committed the murders was very angry due to the number of wounds on each victim. If Mr. Cooper was just stealing the car and got surprised, why the "overkill". If Mr. Cooper was involved, he was not alone and if he was not alone, why not implicate others that were involved. I do believe this crime was committed by someone who knew the family and for whatever reason hated them or felt betrayed by them because of the violence of the crime and multiple wounds received by each victim. I feel so sorry for the little boy, now man, who suffered from this, can you just say major PTSD. No wonder his story changed or he can't remember the specifics of the crime. I don't know that an adult much less and eight year old child could remember anything after what happened to him.

    I just listened to this day. I had never heard of this case but after listening to it, I totally agree with you, evidence points to Mr. Cooper and evidence proves Mr. Cooper didn't do it. What I do believe is that whoever committed the murders was very angry due to the number of wounds on each victim. If Mr. Cooper was just stealing the car and got surprised, why the "overkill". If Mr. Cooper was involved, he was not alone and if he was not alone, why not implicate others that were involved. I do believe this crime was committed by someone who knew the family and for whatever reason hated them or felt betrayed by them because of the violence of the crime and multiple wounds received by each victim. I feel so sorry for the little boy, now man, who suffered from this, can you just say major PTSD. No wonder his story changed or he can't remember the specifics of the crime. I don't know that an adult much less and eight year old child could remember anything after what happened to him.

  • Jamie

    Jamie Houston

    With respect to Josh changing his story, I wonder if, during the initial questioning when he could not speak and was pointing at words, etc., if he meant the three white males in the house were him, his friend, and his dad. Kids are extremely literal and that, plus the two head wounds, trauma, and inability to speak might have caused him to think he was being asked about the victims in the house, rather than the perpetrators. It would be interesting to see a transcript of his interview if such a thing exists. Might explain the “change” in his story.

    With respect to Josh changing his story, I wonder if, during the initial questioning when he could not speak and was pointing at words, etc., if he meant the three white males in the house were him, his friend, and his dad. Kids are extremely literal and that, plus the two head wounds, trauma, and inability to speak might have caused him to think he was being asked about the victims in the house, rather than the perpetrators. It would be interesting to see a transcript of his interview if such a thing exists. Might explain the “change” in his story.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    That's an interesting thought Jamie. Funny thing though, over the years I have heard and completely conflicting thoughts on child witnesses by detectives. Some say they are the worst eyewitness because they are easily manipulated and easily confused. Others say they are better than adult witnesses because they have no prejudices. That they don't infer things or come to their own conclusions and they simply report what they saw. Cheers Nic

    That's an interesting thought Jamie. Funny thing though, over the years I have heard and completely conflicting thoughts on child witnesses by detectives. Some say they are the worst eyewitness because they are easily manipulated and easily confused. Others say they are better than adult witnesses because they have no prejudices. That they don't infer things or come to their own conclusions and they simply report what they saw.
    Cheers Nic

  • Sarah

    Sarah

    This one is hard. There's evidence that points to Cooper and evidence that points away from Cooper. It seems pretty obvious that it was a group of people who did it, but there's also nothing to say that Cooper wasn't involved in that group somehow. The initial statements from the little boy seem to suggest that there was potentially a fourth attacker, which possibly could have been Cooper. I don't think that's LIKELY, but it's not outside of the realm of possibility.

    This one is hard. There's evidence that points to Cooper and evidence that points away from Cooper. It seems pretty obvious that it was a group of people who did it, but there's also nothing to say that Cooper wasn't involved in that group somehow. The initial statements from the little boy seem to suggest that there was potentially a fourth attacker, which possibly could have been Cooper. I don't think that's LIKELY, but it's not outside of the realm of possibility.

  • Sarah

    Sarah CT

    Hi-I’m a bit late with this comment, but I think you all left out one crucial piece of information. I read about this case in The NY Times and the author notes that a vial of blood containing Cooper’s blood that the police had was found to actually contain the blood of two people-pointing to the old teenager trick of drinking half the vodka and filling it with water to make it look full. To me, this makes it clear that Cooper’s blood was planted on the shirt. Love your show !

    Hi-I’m a bit late with this comment, but I think you all left out one crucial piece of information. I read about this case in The NY Times and the author notes that a vial of blood containing Cooper’s blood that the police had was found to actually contain the blood of two people-pointing to the old teenager trick of drinking half the vodka and filling it with water to make it look full. To me, this makes it clear that Cooper’s blood was planted on the shirt.

    Love your show !

  • Elizabeth McAndrew

    Elizabeth McAndrew San Marcos, CA

    Hey guys! Love the show. However, you didn’t mention the most damning piece of evidence to confirm the shirt blood WAS planted! After the appeals showed the EDTA stuff was in Cooper’s blood from the T-shirt, they went back and tested the blood in the test tube that held Cooper’s blood they drew after his arrest. Know what they found? Two people’s blood. This is indicative that someone took some blood from that test tube after Cooper’s arrest, threw it on the T-shirt, and replaced it with someone else’s blood to make it look like it was still full. Im married to a cop, and am all for giving law enforcement the benefit of the doubt. However, this is a clear case of criminal misconduct on law enforcement’s part, and Cooper is clearly not guilty/framed. He needs to be released, now. At minimum, there is obvious reasonable doubt in this case and he didn’t get a fair trial because the cops didn’t do a complete investigation.

    Hey guys! Love the show. However, you didn’t mention the most damning piece of evidence to confirm the shirt blood WAS planted!
    After the appeals showed the EDTA stuff was in Cooper’s blood from the T-shirt, they went back and tested the blood in the test tube that held Cooper’s blood they drew after his arrest. Know what they found? Two people’s blood. This is indicative that someone took some blood from that test tube after Cooper’s arrest, threw it on the T-shirt, and replaced it with someone else’s blood to make it look like it was still full.
    Im married to a cop, and am all for giving law enforcement the benefit of the doubt. However, this is a clear case of criminal misconduct on law enforcement’s part, and Cooper is clearly not guilty/framed. He needs to be released, now. At minimum, there is obvious reasonable doubt in this case and he didn’t get a fair trial because the cops didn’t do a complete investigation.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thank you Elizabeth! Cheers Nic

    Thank you Elizabeth!
    Cheers Nic

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