Killing Season ////// 61 

Killing Season ////// 61 

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Everyone is talking about the newest True Crime documentary "The Killing Season" and we are too. The Killing Season starts off as a documentary about the still unsolved Long Island Serial Killer case and becomes an investigation that will take documentarians Joshua Zeman and Rachel Mills to many cities and many dark places. The Captain and Nic discuss their thoughts about the first two episodes and what they hope the series will present to viewers. We also hear Nic discuss the real life cases behind Joshua's documentaries. This includes phantom clowns, suspected child serial killer Andre Rand and of course the Long Island Serial killer. 

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8 comments

  • Vicki

    Vicki TN

    I loved the show (the Killing Season) so far, but hearing Josh say Shannan isn't part of the killer's body count is still something I disagree with. The People magazine show and the Killing Season brought forth some new information and was very interesting. I still think the last client is guilty, but am just not sure who "they" is. After hearing about this, I have to wonder if Burke and company are involved in running prostitutes/drugs and parties. Maybe JB is aware of this and has attended and this is why they cleared him simply because he passed a poly. So did Gary Ridgway. I still say that most of these serial killers are caught by a surviving victim, so I haven't changed my mind. Sometimes there are just too many coincidences and to ignore them you have to suspend common sense. It can happen, but I doubt it here. I think JB knows stuff on the police and that's why they let him go and made up the ridiculous story that Shannan drowned on her back in 2 inches of water, but first took all her clothes off and ran through the horrific marsh naked and barefoot. That's just BS. I don't know why she ran from Pak, Colleti and what Hackett has to do with it. I still think maybe Hackett was put up to this call by Brewer just as a favor, to keep "those elements' out of their neighborhood. No one knew anyone was dead yet. Or Hackett gave them some drugs illegally and Brewer said she died from them, so he told him to do it to keep people away and avoid trouble. Why would the LISK, who had been so careful with cell phones and computers, suddenly call the family on his own phone and identify himself if he knew Shannan was dead? It doesn't match the other calls to the sister and to Jessica Taylor's friend. But if Hackett is LISK this is what you'd have to believe. However, the thing with Taylor and "Remi". When you try to remove a tattoo, it's usually to avoid identification. People only do that when they have a known relationship with the victim normally. Plus, it was his name. Then again, he had plenty of time so why didn't he thoroughly destroy it? Unless it was a clever killer who figured they could still see it but the attempt would point at Remi. But then again, he contacts them and tries to say that she was in burlap, all after the fact? Maybe he did put her other body parts out there to make it look like the other Gilgo victims. Remi looks guilty of something to me. If he is, he just isn't terribly bright. So was it him who killed Jessica or someone trying to make him look guilty? His burlap revelations make it look more like him than if he had never said anything.

    I loved the show (the Killing Season) so far, but hearing Josh say Shannan isn't part of the killer's body count is still something I disagree with. The People magazine show and the Killing Season brought forth some new information and was very interesting. I still think the last client is guilty, but am just not sure who "they" is. After hearing about this, I have to wonder if Burke and company are involved in running prostitutes/drugs and parties. Maybe JB is aware of this and has attended and this is why they cleared him simply because he passed a poly. So did Gary Ridgway. I still say that most of these serial killers are caught by a surviving victim, so I haven't changed my mind. Sometimes there are just too many coincidences and to ignore them you have to suspend common sense. It can happen, but I doubt it here. I think JB knows stuff on the police and that's why they let him go and made up the ridiculous story that Shannan drowned on her back in 2 inches of water, but first took all her clothes off and ran through the horrific marsh naked and barefoot. That's just BS.

    I don't know why she ran from Pak, Colleti and what Hackett has to do with it. I still think maybe Hackett was put up to this call by Brewer just as a favor, to keep "those elements' out of their neighborhood. No one knew anyone was dead yet. Or Hackett gave them some drugs illegally and Brewer said she died from them, so he told him to do it to keep people away and avoid trouble. Why would the LISK, who had been so careful with cell phones and computers, suddenly call the family on his own phone and identify himself if he knew Shannan was dead? It doesn't match the other calls to the sister and to Jessica Taylor's friend. But if Hackett is LISK this is what you'd have to believe.

    However, the thing with Taylor and "Remi". When you try to remove a tattoo, it's usually to avoid identification. People only do that when they have a known relationship with the victim normally. Plus, it was his name. Then again, he had plenty of time so why didn't he thoroughly destroy it? Unless it was a clever killer who figured they could still see it but the attempt would point at Remi. But then again, he contacts them and tries to say that she was in burlap, all after the fact? Maybe he did put her other body parts out there to make it look like the other Gilgo victims. Remi looks guilty of something to me. If he is, he just isn't terribly bright. So was it him who killed Jessica or someone trying to make him look guilty? His burlap revelations make it look more like him than if he had never said anything.

  • Nicholas Macarages

    Nicholas Macarages

    I really enjoy Zeman's documentaries, but some of his comments in this interview were ridiculous and confusing. At one point he said that inner city kids reported sightings of clowns. Later he said that no one in the 80's was really dressing up as clowns. I don't remember him ever discounting clown sightings in his Killer Legends documentary. The part I found most ridiculous was his blaming the current clown sightings and violence on the current presidential election. How do the clown sightings in France and Britain fit into Zeman's narrative? To say this is a stretch of the imagination is an understatement. Also, while I agree that this election (and race leading up to) has been the most emotional one of my lifetime, how does James Holmes fit into this? His actions were taken in the summer of 2012 which was shortly before the election that year, but I don't remember this election being so divisive like the one this year. I would like some clarity on both the discrediting of the sightings in the 80's, and how this current election really affects the "fear of the other." Another thing that bothered me was the term "sex worker." I understand that prostitutes in the past have been looked over as unimportant. I agree that serial killers have targeted them because they are aware that the public just sees this as the result of their risky lifestyle. I don't believe we should look over them as unimportant or treat others as if their case is more important. However, regardless of your position, prostitution is still illegal. How many people shed a tear when someone with mob ties is whacked? I know there are differences in both lifestyles, but there is a criminal element. Also, what happens when the term "sex worker" starts to have a negative connotation attached to it like "prostitute" does? Are we going to come up with another term? Like I said, I understand that people want to humanize these victims. However, there are inconsistencies. Zeman had no problem using the term "Johns." I've heard the term "tricks" used on another podcast that refused to say prostitute and would correct themselves when they did-just like Zeman did in this interview. If we are going to be fair, shouldn't the men be called "sex clients?" My wife was attacked on a Facebook group when she used the term "prostitute" and was almost booted. I understand if you prefer to use the term "sex worker", but I don't think people who use the term prostitute should be ostracized or frowned down upon. Additionally, if you are using this term to differentiate between girls who walk the streets and those who use websites to meet "clients" than this causes confusion as well. Wouldn't a lot of these women use websites back in the day if they had access? Like I said, I understand that the term "prostitution" has negative connotations, but if you want to change the term you should be consistent with your terminology.

    I really enjoy Zeman's documentaries, but some of his comments in this interview were ridiculous and confusing. At one point he said that inner city kids reported sightings of clowns. Later he said that no one in the 80's was really dressing up as clowns. I don't remember him ever discounting clown sightings in his Killer Legends documentary. The part I found most ridiculous was his blaming the current clown sightings and violence on the current presidential election. How do the clown sightings in France and Britain fit into Zeman's narrative? To say this is a stretch of the imagination is an understatement. Also, while I agree that this election (and race leading up to) has been the most emotional one of my lifetime, how does James Holmes fit into this? His actions were taken in the summer of 2012 which was shortly before the election that year, but I don't remember this election being so divisive like the one this year. I would like some clarity on both the discrediting of the sightings in the 80's, and how this current election really affects the "fear of the other."

    Another thing that bothered me was the term "sex worker." I understand that prostitutes in the past have been looked over as unimportant. I agree that serial killers have targeted them because they are aware that the public just sees this as the result of their risky lifestyle. I don't believe we should look over them as unimportant or treat others as if their case is more important. However, regardless of your position, prostitution is still illegal. How many people shed a tear when someone with mob ties is whacked? I know there are differences in both lifestyles, but there is a criminal element. Also, what happens when the term "sex worker" starts to have a negative connotation attached to it like "prostitute" does? Are we going to come up with another term? Like I said, I understand that people want to humanize these victims. However, there are inconsistencies. Zeman had no problem using the term "Johns." I've heard the term "tricks" used on another podcast that refused to say prostitute and would correct themselves when they did-just like Zeman did in this interview. If we are going to be fair, shouldn't the men be called "sex clients?" My wife was attacked on a Facebook group when she used the term "prostitute" and was almost booted. I understand if you prefer to use the term "sex worker", but I don't think people who use the term prostitute should be ostracized or frowned down upon. Additionally, if you are using this term to differentiate between girls who walk the streets and those who use websites to meet "clients" than this causes confusion as well. Wouldn't a lot of these women use websites back in the day if they had access? Like I said, I understand that the term "prostitution" has negative connotations, but if you want to change the term you should be consistent with your terminology.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Vicki, I always love hearing you talk LISK! Cheers, Nic

    Vicki,
    I always love hearing you talk LISK!
    Cheers, Nic

  • BadWolf

    BadWolf

    Wow guys. This podcast is by far the most amazing podcast I have ever listened to. I am hooked. I found you last Friday and I have spent all my time catching up. I love how you handle the cases. It's so well done. Forget five stars, this is 10 stars. Keep up the amazing amazing jobs!

    Wow guys. This podcast is by far the most amazing podcast I have ever listened to. I am hooked. I found you last Friday and I have spent all my time catching up. I love how you handle the cases. It's so well done. Forget five stars, this is 10 stars. Keep up the amazing amazing jobs!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    BadWolf Welcome to the garage!!! Cheers!!! Captain

    BadWolf

    Welcome to the garage!!! Cheers!!!

    Captain

  • Meggan

    Meggan Albany, NY

    Love the show - I've been listening for a long time, but this is my first time commenting. As a former resident of Michigan (GO BLUE), and someone who went to school in the Upper Peninsula, I have to correct you: it's Yoopers. Folks from da UP. Keep up the great work - I've made my employees listen, and we all love the show!

    Love the show - I've been listening for a long time, but this is my first time commenting. As a former resident of Michigan (GO BLUE), and someone who went to school in the Upper Peninsula, I have to correct you: it's Yoopers. Folks from da UP. Keep up the great work - I've made my employees listen, and we all love the show!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Meggan, Making your employees listen... Love it! Yeah, sorry I didn't know how to say Yoopers. Happy Thanksgiving! Nic

    Meggan,
    Making your employees listen... Love it!
    Yeah, sorry I didn't know how to say Yoopers.
    Happy Thanksgiving!
    Nic

  • Beckiesusan

    Beckiesusan San Diego

    I started listening to the True Crime Garage podcasts about a week ago and I'm hooked. Last night I binged watched both the Killing Season and Killer Legends. All I can say is wow. Keep up the good work guys.

    I started listening to the True Crime Garage podcasts about a week ago and I'm hooked. Last night I binged watched both the Killing Season and Killer Legends. All I can say is wow. Keep up the good work guys.

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