L.I.S.K. Update ////// 74

L.I.S.K. Update ////// 74 

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The Long Island serial killer or serial killers case continues to fascinate Armchair detectives and true crime followers worldwide. Recently the documentary TV series "The Killing Season" has put the spotlight back on the unsolved serial case and several like it. For years the cases of the remains found in and around Gilgo Beach had gone cold. Very recently there have been some developments regarding linking some of the victims and some bad deeds within the investigation. Tonight we have asked Joshua Zeman and Rachel Mills of the hit series "The Killing Seasons" to join us in the garage. We will be discussing LISK updates and the future of this investigation.  

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23 comments

  • Candice

    Candice Seattle

    Please, please, please stopppppp talking captain. You are always off subject and on rants that distract from the story and really take the podcast down a notch. Nic always had good information and you are constantly distracting and interrupting to talk about something co.pletely off subject or some random opinion you have that has no basis. Not trying to be rude, it's just getting really frustrating because I love the stories you guys pic and the details you give.

    Please, please, please stopppppp talking captain. You are always off subject and on rants that distract from the story and really take the podcast down a notch. Nic always had good information and you are constantly distracting and interrupting to talk about something co.pletely off subject or some random opinion you have that has no basis. Not trying to be rude, it's just getting really frustrating because I love the stories you guys pic and the details you give.

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    True Crime Garage

    Candice • Seattle great idea we will just have one person talk and one persons thoughts, sounds brilliant. Also we will have Nic do all the recording, music making and editing.

    Candice • Seattle

    great idea we will just have one person talk and one persons thoughts, sounds brilliant. Also we will have Nic do all the recording, music making and editing.

  • JR

    JR North carolina

    Don't listen to that comment captain!! You rock, your personality adds to the show, it doesn't take away from it. The Show wouldn't be the same without you. Some people should keep their personal expectations and affiliated opinions to themselves. Just rude.

    Don't listen to that comment captain!! You rock, your personality adds to the show, it doesn't take away from it. The Show wouldn't be the same without you. Some people should keep their personal expectations and affiliated opinions to themselves. Just rude.

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous TAMPA

    Wow Candice that's harsh! The fact that Nic and the Captain get along so well with the ribbing and joking, is what makes for a very enjoyable listen. Kind of lightens the mood in some dark situations. Maybe this is not the show for you, if you are serious.

    Wow Candice that's harsh! The fact that Nic and the Captain get along so well with the ribbing and joking, is what makes for a very enjoyable listen. Kind of lightens the mood in some dark situations. Maybe this is not the show for you, if you are serious.

  • Jacqueline

    Jacqueline NY

    I think both for you guys make a great podcast! Keep up the great work! love from NY!

    I think both for you guys make a great podcast! Keep up the great work! love from NY!

  • Michelle

    Michelle Cincinnati

    Hey, can you post the recommended reading with author name in your online summation of the podcast? I listen weekly but sometimes when I look up the reading I spell the authors name wrong (at least thats what I believe i'm doing) and cannot find them online. THANKS BUNCHES!

    Hey, can you post the recommended reading with author name in your online summation of the podcast? I listen weekly but sometimes when I look up the reading I spell the authors name wrong (at least thats what I believe i'm doing) and cannot find them online. THANKS BUNCHES!

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    True Crime Garage

    Michelle, Check out the recommended page, so many books on there with author names. Cheers, Nic

    Michelle,
    Check out the recommended page, so many books on there with author names.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Some guy

    Some guy Somewhere

    The captain and Nic seem to be a tad smarter than some of the presenters I listen to on other true crime/mystery podcasts. I like to hear both of their thoughts on each case. It is useful when the captain recaps or paraphrases what Nic has just said in case my attention span failed me. True crime podcasts with one presenter are OK, but when there are two or more and they work well together like the captain and Nic the podcast is great. I think Candice from Seattle is on the take from another podcast and is trying to sabotage true crime garage by removing a key element (the captain). Hows that for a theory?

    The captain and Nic seem to be a tad smarter than some of the presenters I listen to on other true crime/mystery podcasts. I like to hear both of their thoughts on each case. It is useful when the captain recaps or paraphrases what Nic has just said in case my attention span failed me. True crime podcasts with one presenter are OK, but when there are two or more and they work well together like the captain and Nic the podcast is great. I think Candice from Seattle is on the take from another podcast and is trying to sabotage true crime garage by removing a key element (the captain). Hows that for a theory?

  • Tim

    Tim Chino Hills, Ca

    As always great episode, guys. I enjoy hearing your thoughts on this case. However, I hate to be the negative one, especially since I often times hear the stories on TCG and feel compelled to spend hours reading articles and searching databases for possible clues. That being said, I do want to be the Urban Legend or cautionary tale of your conversations for two reasons. For one I think it is important that arm chair detectives and web sleuths recognize that venturing beyond their keyboards in search of very violent and dangerous people is dangerous. Anyone who watched the Killing Season saw that Rachel and Joshua took precautions before speaking with people. They consulted with actual experts and preplanned most encounters. The second is also relates to straying away from keyboard. While I agree with Nic that the TCG Army can be a huge benefit to an investigation, I also believe that it is possible for inexperienced investigators to do damage to investigations. Perhaps the clearest example of this I could site occurred on another podcast that TCG has mentioned a few times over the last year. The podcasters took a field trip to a location with an amateur sleuth from the area. During the trip, they came across the husband of a known witness and attempted to interview him. Rather than asking him what he knew about what had happened the amateur sleuth nearly immediately began arguing with the individual about what had occurred. Citing a report from an expert, the sleuth felt the need to tell an individual who likely knew more about the incident than all of the bloggers he had ever read what happened. This kind of behavior can be damaging and harmful to an investigation. The purpose of an investigation should always be to gather information. It is okay to have theories and work to confirm them, but you have to be flexible enough to follow the facts when they stray from your theory. In many of the cases the guys have covered Nic presents great suspects that fit the profile, have the opportunity, and ought to be the guy, but the cops never arrest them and in the end it turns out to be a different guy. The Captain describe it in an episode a pursuing it till you explore all the options and hit a wall. If you are not willing look for new options when this happens, you better hope that you were right the first time. Again, I don’t want to dissuade anyone from helping out in any way that they can. I do. It would be impossible for me to listen to the story of a person being abducted and/or murdered and not want to employ every skill I have to helping them and their family. Just be safe and responsible how you do it. Tim

    As always great episode, guys. I enjoy hearing your thoughts on this case.

    However, I hate to be the negative one, especially since I often times hear the stories on TCG and feel compelled to spend hours reading articles and searching databases for possible clues.

    That being said, I do want to be the Urban Legend or cautionary tale of your conversations for two reasons.
    For one I think it is important that arm chair detectives and web sleuths recognize that venturing beyond their keyboards in search of very violent and dangerous people is dangerous. Anyone who watched the Killing Season saw that Rachel and Joshua took precautions before speaking with people. They consulted with actual experts and preplanned most encounters.

    The second is also relates to straying away from keyboard. While I agree with Nic that the TCG Army can be a huge benefit to an investigation, I also believe that it is possible for inexperienced investigators to do damage to investigations. Perhaps the clearest example of this I could site occurred on another podcast that TCG has mentioned a few times over the last year. The podcasters took a field trip to a location with an amateur sleuth from the area. During the trip, they came across the husband of a known witness and attempted to interview him. Rather than asking him what he knew about what had happened the amateur sleuth nearly immediately began arguing with the individual about what had occurred. Citing a report from an expert, the sleuth felt the need to tell an individual who likely knew more about the incident than all of the bloggers he had ever read what happened. This kind of behavior can be damaging and harmful to an investigation.

    The purpose of an investigation should always be to gather information. It is okay to have theories and work to confirm them, but you have to be flexible enough to follow the facts when they stray from your theory. In many of the cases the guys have covered Nic presents great suspects that fit the profile, have the opportunity, and ought to be the guy, but the cops never arrest them and in the end it turns out to be a different guy. The Captain describe it in an episode a pursuing it till you explore all the options and hit a wall. If you are not willing look for new options when this happens, you better hope that you were right the first time.

    Again, I don’t want to dissuade anyone from helping out in any way that they can. I do. It would be impossible for me to listen to the story of a person being abducted and/or murdered and not want to employ every skill I have to helping them and their family. Just be safe and responsible how you do it.

    Tim

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    Some guy • Somewhere Great Theory!!!

    Some guy • Somewhere

    Great Theory!!!

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    True Crime Garage

    Tim • Chino Hills, Ca As always your thoughts are insightful and interesting points. thanks for sharing Captain

    Tim • Chino Hills, Ca

    As always your thoughts are insightful and interesting points. thanks for sharing

    Captain

  • spunsugar505

    spunsugar505 albuquerque, NM

    Just my two cents--and I have NEVER left a comment on any of the hundreds of true crime podcast episodes that I listen to on a daily basis... THANK YOU both for being who you are, and for having the guts to do a podcast in the first place!! For god's sake--haters will always be there no matter what we try to do. Candice from Seattle must just be a "tad bit snooty" if she can't hang with REAL people, here in the garage!! Candy baby, either "shush yo' mouth" and go sit in the corner with a beer, or, get outta the garage girl!! We love Nic and the Captain here in Albuquerque! (especially Captain's manly-man voice!) And, that's enough of the BIZNASS, we like yo' jib!! love from the high desert, can't wait for a new episode! hugs, sugar :)

    Just my two cents--and I have NEVER left a comment on any of the hundreds of true crime podcast episodes that I listen to on a daily basis...
    THANK YOU both for being who you are, and for having the guts to do a podcast in the first place!! For god's sake--haters will always be there no matter what we try to do. Candice from Seattle must just be a "tad bit snooty" if she can't hang with REAL people, here in the garage!! Candy baby, either "shush yo' mouth" and go sit in the corner with a beer, or, get outta the garage girl!! We love Nic and the Captain here in Albuquerque! (especially Captain's manly-man voice!)
    And, that's enough of the BIZNASS, we like yo' jib!!
    love from the high desert, can't wait for a new episode!
    hugs,
    sugar smile

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    True Crime Garage

    That's some good sugar! Cheers, Nic

    That's some good sugar!
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Ariel

    Ariel

    Definitely love you both even if I'm slowly running out of old episodes to listen to, as well. You almost make me want to drink beer. ........and while I'm here, some more case recs. Madeline McCann, the Mad Butcher of Kingsbury Run, the Springfield Three and Zebb Quinn!

    Definitely love you both even if I'm slowly running out of old episodes to listen to, as well. You almost make me want to drink beer.

    ........and while I'm here, some more case recs.

    Madeline McCann, the Mad Butcher of Kingsbury Run, the Springfield Three and Zebb Quinn!

  • Suzy

    Suzy

    Did the escort take a polygraph test because it sounds fishy to me... If she only met him that one time how does she get all of those impressions of him aggressive, arrogant, etc. I don't buy it!

    Did the escort take a polygraph test because it sounds fishy to me... If she only met him that one time how does she get all of those impressions of him aggressive, arrogant, etc. I don't buy it!

  • Jesse

    Jesse Yakima

    I just wish to say that Captain you are so amazing!

    I just wish to say that Captain you are so amazing!

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    True Crime Garage

    Jesse • Yakima Thank you so much

    Jesse • Yakima

    Thank you so much

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Suzy A lot of people aren't buying her story so you aren't alone.

    Suzy

    A lot of people aren't buying her story so you aren't alone.

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    True Crime Garage

    Ariel Well we will keep trying to put out two a week.

    Ariel

    Well we will keep trying to put out two a week.

  • Elizabeth

    Elizabeth Planet Earth

    Tim- Good points and something to consider when amateur sleuths : police need to be able to give admissible evidence in court to prosecutors and amateurs can destroy that ability without even realising that they have done so. While a talented lawyer can do a great deal to weasel around the Rules of Evidence, why make it harder for them? Now if we can make sure cops do the same thing about being flexible with the evidence as it comes in...

    Tim-
    Good points and something to consider when amateur sleuths : police need to be able to give admissible evidence in court to prosecutors and amateurs can destroy that ability without even realising that they have done so. While a talented lawyer can do a great deal to weasel around the Rules of Evidence, why make it harder for them?

    Now if we can make sure cops do the same thing about being flexible with the evidence as it comes in...

  • Ruby

    Ruby Ohio

    Who did the music for this episode? I really liked it.

    Who did the music for this episode? I really liked it.

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    True Crime Garage

    The Captain does the music for every episode. Cheers, Nic

    The Captain does the music for every episode.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Lisa

    Lisa New Brunswick, Canada

    Hey guys, I've been devouring your podcasts and it's really helped me get through the work day. Just wanted to say that the chemistry between the two of you is a perfect balance. I personally find the captains comments insightful and well thought out, and really add to the overall program. I love how mutually respectful you are towards each other and towards the content of your show. Anyways, just saw someone bashing the captain so wanted to put my two cents in. Amazing show and keep up the great work, thanks so much for keeping my sanity intact during the workday. : ) I like your jib!

    Hey guys, I've been devouring your podcasts and it's really helped me get through the work day. Just wanted to say that the chemistry between the two of you is a perfect balance. I personally find the captains comments insightful and well thought out, and really add to the overall program. I love how mutually respectful you are towards each other and towards the content of your show. Anyways, just saw someone bashing the captain so wanted to put my two cents in. Amazing show and keep up the great work, thanks so much for keeping my sanity intact during the workday. : ) I like your jib!

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