Lauren Spierer /// Episodes 91 /// 92

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  • MG

    MG Philly

    This case doesn't add up man. I'm guessing she was there for a summer session if she was on a college campus in July. The kids she was with the night of her disappearance obviously know more than they're leading on. All of their alibis are based on each others alibis. A girl gets carried home then all of a sudden, an hour further into her drunkenness, she's ready to walk blocks to her apartment? Did her long term boyfriend ever have an altercation with the guys she was last seen with? Everything relvoves around theses couple guys and I'm guessing they're hiding something

    This case doesn't add up man. I'm guessing she was there for a summer session if she was on a college campus in July. The kids she was with the night of her disappearance obviously know more than they're leading on. All of their alibis are based on each others alibis. A girl gets carried home then all of a sudden, an hour further into her drunkenness, she's ready to walk blocks to her apartment? Did her long term boyfriend ever have an altercation with the guys she was last seen with? Everything relvoves around theses couple guys and I'm guessing they're hiding something

  • Cristine Collier

    Cristine Collier Lompoc, CA

    Hi, I love your podcast and listen to it religiously. I have a comment regarding the use of Clonazepam. I have taken 0.5mg at night prior to sleeping for years. I take it exactly as prescribed and have never had an issue with it. We had a painter in the house about a year ago and my Clonazepam went missing. Getting the prescription replaced was very hard since it's considered a controlled substance. I didn't even realize that this was used recreationally or people had bad reactions or addiction issues with this. I just wanted to point out that using it as prescribed can be very helpful to people.

    Hi,

    I love your podcast and listen to it religiously. I have a comment regarding the use of Clonazepam. I have taken 0.5mg at night prior to sleeping for years.

    I take it exactly as prescribed and have never had an issue with it.

    We had a painter in the house about a year ago and my Clonazepam went missing. Getting the prescription replaced was very hard since it's considered a controlled substance.

    I didn't even realize that this was used recreationally or people had bad reactions or addiction issues with this. I just wanted to point out that using it as prescribed can be very helpful to people.

  • Christa G.

    Christa G. DeKalb, IL

    Do you think perhaps her movements from place to place were odd because she realized she lost all of her stuff? They may have gone to her place and realized that she had lost her key.

    Do you think perhaps her movements from place to place were odd because she realized she lost all of her stuff? They may have gone to her place and realized that she had lost her key.

  • Great show guys!! Any idea what was purchased at Kilroy's? Was bar personnel every questioned by authorities? It is very suspicious to me that everything in this case seems to center around 5 people, of which 1 is missing, and 4 have lawyer-ed up. I completely agree with both of you, that the "mysterious 4" claim to have been Lauren's friends but yet they seem like they are unwilling to help in any way. The bf calls and reports her missing right away (which makes it seem like he is very concerned and cares a great deal) then when it comes time to search he gives up after 2 days???? Also, how well do the "mysterious 4" know each other? Last note, i find it hard to believe that whoever did this has never done anything like this again or before. I highly doubt it was a "one and done".

    Great show guys!! Any idea what was purchased at Kilroy's? Was bar personnel every questioned by authorities? It is very suspicious to me that everything in this case seems to center around 5 people, of which 1 is missing, and 4 have lawyer-ed up. I completely agree with both of you, that the "mysterious 4" claim to have been Lauren's friends but yet they seem like they are unwilling to help in any way. The bf calls and reports her missing right away (which makes it seem like he is very concerned and cares a great deal) then when it comes time to search he gives up after 2 days???? Also, how well do the "mysterious 4" know each other?

    Last note, i find it hard to believe that whoever did this has never done anything like this again or before. I highly doubt it was a "one and done".

  • Angie

    Angie Salt Lake City

    Hey guys! This comment is a big disturbing** sorry ahead of time! I just wanted to comment on the theories of this case. In this episode The Captain was talking about how difficult he finds it to believe that anyone would let their friend O.D and just try and cover it up. As disgusting as this is and as inconceivable as it sounds, it happens. A bunch of my very privileged white male friends got into drugs as a recreational thing. At some point one night got out of control and one of our friends passed away. They his his body under a bed until after school and then took his body and dumped it in the mountains. So as awful as it is, it's not impossible. 😕

    Hey guys! This comment is a big disturbing** sorry ahead of time! I just wanted to comment on the theories of this case. In this episode The Captain was talking about how difficult he finds it to believe that anyone would let their friend O.D and just try and cover it up. As disgusting as this is and as inconceivable as it sounds, it happens. A bunch of my very privileged white male friends got into drugs as a recreational thing. At some point one night got out of control and one of our friends passed away. They his his body under a bed until after school and then took his body and dumped it in the mountains. So as awful as it is, it's not impossible. 😕

  • ami

    ami Colorado

    I thoroughly enjoy you guys! Ohio State, beer, and trume crime - you are my people in a not creepy way. I've followed Lauren's case for a while, but learned some new things from your episodes. I changed my mind about what happened to her 17 times while listening. I don't think Lauren came across stranger-danger and as of right now, one or more of those guys know what happened to her and were a part of it, in my opinion. I sincerely hope her family will have the missing pieces soon. On a very personal note, Clonazepam has saved my life quite literally. I suffered debilitating panic attacks that led to slight agoraphobia that stemmed from childhood sexual abuse. Three years later, I take it very rarely but I keep a full bottle because the bottle alone makes me feel safe. I take it as directed (maybe 3-4 times a year) and I'm monitored by a psychiatric nurse every 6 months to make sure it's still working for me. It doesn't make me high or loopy - it just makes the impending doom feelings go away so I can live my life. The key, I think, is to not be an idiot. Recreational use and being careless with it is just stupid. Thank you for talking about it and letting people know this isn't a drug that should be taken lightly. Go Bucks!

    I thoroughly enjoy you guys! Ohio State, beer, and trume crime - you are my people in a not creepy way. I've followed Lauren's case for a while, but learned some new things from your episodes. I changed my mind about what happened to her 17 times while listening. I don't think Lauren came across stranger-danger and as of right now, one or more of those guys know what happened to her and were a part of it, in my opinion. I sincerely hope her family will have the missing pieces soon.

    On a very personal note, Clonazepam has saved my life quite literally. I suffered debilitating panic attacks that led to slight agoraphobia that stemmed from childhood sexual abuse. Three years later, I take it very rarely but I keep a full bottle because the bottle alone makes me feel safe. I take it as directed (maybe 3-4 times a year) and I'm monitored by a psychiatric nurse every 6 months to make sure it's still working for me. It doesn't make me high or loopy - it just makes the impending doom feelings go away so I can live my life. The key, I think, is to not be an idiot. Recreational use and being careless with it is just stupid. Thank you for talking about it and letting people know this isn't a drug that should be taken lightly.

    Go Bucks!

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    ami • Colorado Go Bucks!

    ami • Colorado

    Go Bucks!

  • Grace

    Grace Canada

    Love the show! I think if we could find confirmation on how Cory got punched it would really help lead people in the right direction. If the four guys did not come forward after what they saw in her apartment complex the night she went missing it makes it hard to believe it happened. I am sure this case was HUGE at the time and would hope if it did happen they would say what they saw. It is possible the men followed Lauren and Cory to his apartment to make sure she was okay and then ran into her on her way back and she may have passed away and they freaked out. If it didn't happen then I agree with you guys it could of been Lauren that hit him, or if Lauren did OD and people wanted to hide the body Cory could of said no and got hit and forced to keep quite etc. Those are just theories to show that I think the punch would help the story come together. It is a scary and sad story, I hope they find what happens so the family/friends can have closure.

    Love the show! I think if we could find confirmation on how Cory got punched it would really help lead people in the right direction. If the four guys did not come forward after what they saw in her apartment complex the night she went missing it makes it hard to believe it happened. I am sure this case was HUGE at the time and would hope if it did happen they would say what they saw. It is possible the men followed Lauren and Cory to his apartment to make sure she was okay and then ran into her on her way back and she may have passed away and they freaked out. If it didn't happen then I agree with you guys it could of been Lauren that hit him, or if Lauren did OD and people wanted to hide the body Cory could of said no and got hit and forced to keep quite etc. Those are just theories to show that I think the punch would help the story come together. It is a scary and sad story, I hope they find what happens so the family/friends can have closure.

  • Amelie

    Amelie Arkansas (originally from Dayton, OH. Go Flyers!)

    Hey Nick and the Captain. Love the podcast. You guys do a great job at keeping things serious and interesting while remaining unafraid to voice your own opinions and theories. I do take issue with one subject from the last episode. Klonopin, if used correctly, is a very helpful drug in treating anxiety. I suffer from pretty severe anxiety and have a prescription for it to help combat it. I am aware that it can be used recreationally, and I do not condone that whatsoever. Stigmatizing the drug as a whole threw me a bit. It has been very helpful for me in social situations and in times of panic attacks. Anyway, I do love the show and recommend it to all of my friends, and my podcasting partner and I mention it quite often on our show, although our following is quite a bit smaller than yours. Keep up the good work, and I look forward to hearing the next episode! Cheers, Amelie

    Hey Nick and the Captain. Love the podcast. You guys do a great job at keeping things serious and interesting while remaining unafraid to voice your own opinions and theories. I do take issue with one subject from the last episode. Klonopin, if used correctly, is a very helpful drug in treating anxiety. I suffer from pretty severe anxiety and have a prescription for it to help combat it. I am aware that it can be used recreationally, and I do not condone that whatsoever. Stigmatizing the drug as a whole threw me a bit. It has been very helpful for me in social situations and in times of panic attacks.
    Anyway, I do love the show and recommend it to all of my friends, and my podcasting partner and I mention it quite often on our show, although our following is quite a bit smaller than yours. Keep up the good work, and I look forward to hearing the next episode!

    Cheers,
    Amelie

  • Kimberly

    Kimberly Tampa

    Hey, First off, I love you both! Glad I found your podcast- I have always been really in to true crime and well I also love beer. Anyways, I have finally made it to your sight, I felt connected to this story. I went to a very popular University and spent countless nights partying and witnessing myself and others doing dumb things. There has been many nights that I didn't want to go to bed when everyone else did.. I didn't want the night to end, even though it was 5 am and the night had clearly ended. I made stupid decisions and luckily am still alive. What I believe happened was just as the 3 guys said. She went home with first guy because he probably wanted to go back to his place and not stay at hers sense he just got punched by a group of guys there. She went with him because she didn't want to stop partying and if she went home she would be alone. Of course she is wasted and maybe he carried her a bit because she was falling.. he gets back pukes and goes to bed. The roommate tries to get her to stay but she is being annoying wanting to party and maybe he was sober and just wanted to get rid of her because he was tired. Takes her a few doors down to the her friend and thinks he did the right thing. The friend is also annoyed because she is wasted and wants to keep drinking and doesn't want to go to sleep yet like everyone is telling her to do. She leaves. She walks wherever she thinks people are, because she still wants to party. She finds some people they bring her back to the home that the Jail Inmate mentioned and she takes ecstasy or something else there and she dies. These people at the home don't know her at all.. they have no connection to her.. they know they can't be traced back to her.. they take her to the river and dump her body. The asshole convict that told this story wont talk because whats it going to benefit him now? And he clearly has the mindset of hating cops so he won't entertain the thought of ever telling them something that will be helpful. Thats my 2 cents. She wanted to keep partying.. found the wrong group of people.. took a lethal concoction of drugs on top of having a bad heart and unfortunately died around the wrong group of drugged up human beings. I don't believe the 3 friends were able to lie about this. I don't even know how close those 3 people really were? Covering up murder.. the roommates were not even out together, they may not of been even super close.

    Hey,
    First off, I love you both! Glad I found your podcast- I have always been really in to true crime and well I also love beer. Anyways, I have finally made it to your sight, I felt connected to this story.
    I went to a very popular University and spent countless nights partying and witnessing myself and others doing dumb things. There has been many nights that I didn't want to go to bed when everyone else did.. I didn't want the night to end, even though it was 5 am and the night had clearly ended. I made stupid decisions and luckily am still alive.
    What I believe happened was just as the 3 guys said. She went home with first guy because he probably wanted to go back to his place and not stay at hers sense he just got punched by a group of guys there. She went with him because she didn't want to stop partying and if she went home she would be alone. Of course she is wasted and maybe he carried her a bit because she was falling.. he gets back pukes and goes to bed. The roommate tries to get her to stay but she is being annoying wanting to party and maybe he was sober and just wanted to get rid of her because he was tired. Takes her a few doors down to the her friend and thinks he did the right thing. The friend is also annoyed because she is wasted and wants to keep drinking and doesn't want to go to sleep yet like everyone is telling her to do. She leaves. She walks wherever she thinks people are, because she still wants to party. She finds some people they bring her back to the home that the Jail Inmate mentioned and she takes ecstasy or something else there and she dies. These people at the home don't know her at all.. they have no connection to her.. they know they can't be traced back to her.. they take her to the river and dump her body. The asshole convict that told this story wont talk because whats it going to benefit him now? And he clearly has the mindset of hating cops so he won't entertain the thought of ever telling them something that will be helpful.

    Thats my 2 cents. She wanted to keep partying.. found the wrong group of people.. took a lethal concoction of drugs on top of having a bad heart and unfortunately died around the wrong group of drugged up human beings. I don't believe the 3 friends were able to lie about this. I don't even know how close those 3 people really were? Covering up murder.. the roommates were not even out together, they may not of been even super close.

  • Otto

    Otto Indiana

    Hi guys, Great podcast. We listen to it at the place I work and love it. I work in a pharmacy and this episode nearly caused a couple of my coworkers to stroke out. And not for the reasons you think I work in a pharmacy and every time you said Klonopin you almost killed one of the pharmacists here. For the record: it's Klonopin ( klon-a-pin). Second about this episode. Being from Indiana I remember this very well. And from my perspective one of the big reasons why most of the people involved lawyered up is due to the actions of Lauren Spierers parents. They brought in a PI from New York and in one of his first statements to the press he essentially called the police involved with this case a bunch of rubes. Not to mention the PI and the parents accused everyone involved. To the effect that some of those guys can't even get jobs with the degrees they have. I know you're going to point out they lost their daughter but the parents should also be aware of other innocent individuals involved.

    Hi guys,
    Great podcast. We listen to it at the place I work and love it. I work in a pharmacy and this episode nearly caused a couple of my coworkers to stroke out. And not for the reasons you think I work in a pharmacy and every time you said Klonopin you almost killed one of the pharmacists here. For the record: it's Klonopin ( klon-a-pin).
    Second about this episode. Being from Indiana I remember this very well. And from my perspective one of the big reasons why most of the people involved lawyered up is due to the actions of Lauren Spierers parents. They brought in a PI from New York and in one of his first statements to the press he essentially called the police involved with this case a bunch of rubes. Not to mention the PI and the parents accused everyone involved. To the effect that some of those guys can't even get jobs with the degrees they have. I know you're going to point out they lost their daughter but the parents should also be aware of other innocent individuals involved.

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    Otto • Indiana Thanks for sharing. Great points. Nic and I agree that if you do talk you should always lawyer up. Cheers Captain

    Otto • Indiana

    Thanks for sharing. Great points. Nic and I agree that if you do talk you should always lawyer up. Cheers

    Captain

  • Whittberbug

    Whittberbug Parts, Unknown

    http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/utah/ci_2830164 This is for the Captian, in reference to when he said he just can't believe that someone would dump a body over calling an ambulance. Also, I am a recovering addict myself, 8 years sober. I've witness it multiple times, someone begins over dosing and another's addict will bail. Luckily for me I'm extra passionate and had a small amount of emergency response training and was able to twice revive a "user friend" who had stopped breathing. Unfortunately, the brain of an addict just doesn't work the same as healthy person.

    http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/utah/ci_2830164

    This is for the Captian, in reference to when he said he just can't believe that someone would dump a body over calling an ambulance. Also, I am a recovering addict myself, 8 years sober. I've witness it multiple times, someone begins over dosing and another's addict will bail. Luckily for me I'm extra passionate and had a small amount of emergency response training and was able to twice revive a "user friend" who had stopped breathing. Unfortunately, the brain of an addict just doesn't work the same as healthy person.

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    @ Whitterbug He said he can't believe it not because we don't believe it happens but because it is so wrong to do. People got to start caring more about others and less about themselves. That's what the garage is about. Helping and caring. Thank you for helping and caring when others didn't. Cheers, Nic

    @ Whitterbug
    He said he can't believe it not because we don't believe it happens but because it is so wrong to do. People got to start caring more about others and less about themselves. That's what the garage is about. Helping and caring. Thank you for helping and caring when others didn't.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Ocean Senta

    Ocean Senta Springville, Indiana

    First, I've got to say that I love your work here! I'm from the Bloomington area and I attend IU, and it may put things into perspective to realize that if someone wanted to hide a body, it would be incredibly easy. Around the general Bloomington vicinity there is a lot of woods, rural areas, and like the largest lake in the state of Indiana. Just a thought. Great job guys.

    First, I've got to say that I love your work here!
    I'm from the Bloomington area and I attend IU, and it may put things into perspective to realize that if someone wanted to hide a body, it would be incredibly easy. Around the general Bloomington vicinity there is a lot of woods, rural areas, and like the largest lake in the state of Indiana. Just a thought. Great job guys.

  • Ocean Senta

    Ocean Senta Springville, Indiana

    Oh, also, the Ohio River is pretty darn far away from Bloomington. Different river maybe?

    Oh, also, the Ohio River is pretty darn far away from Bloomington. Different river maybe?

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    Ocean Senta • Springville, Indiana Well how far away? maybe. Thanks for listening!

    Ocean Senta • Springville, Indiana

    Well how far away? maybe. Thanks for listening!

  • Carrie

    Carrie Indianapolis, Indiana

    Sorry to be coming late to this. I started college there right after this happened. I remember walking around campus for my orientation and seeing her flyers everywhere. I do think the Ohio River is far away. Do you know if they searched Monroe Lake or the reservoir? Those would be closer and easier to access than the Ohio River. I agree with the theory that she od'd and all these people freaked and buried her, But if they were also intoxicated how did they do such a good job of discarding her body?

    Sorry to be coming late to this. I started college there right after this happened. I remember walking around campus for my orientation and seeing her flyers everywhere. I do think the Ohio River is far away. Do you know if they searched Monroe Lake or the reservoir? Those would be closer and easier to access than the Ohio River. I agree with the theory that she od'd and all these people freaked and buried her, But if they were also intoxicated how did they do such a good job of discarding her body?

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    Carrie, I'm not sure where they have search exactly. This would interesting to know. But those coming forward about the Ohio came pretty well after the fact if I'm remembering correctly. Cheers, Nic

    Carrie,

    I'm not sure where they have search exactly. This would interesting to know. But those coming forward about the Ohio came pretty well after the fact if I'm remembering correctly.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • AshleyDawn

    AshleyDawn

    Hey Guys, I live in Indianapolis, and I was still a college student at the time that Lauren went missing which let me tell ya was unsettling because I had been to Bloomington on numerous occasions visiting IU friends! One thing that seems to get overlooked by a lot of people is that she was from a decently well-to-do family from New York away from home for the first time navigating life on her own and trying to find herself and fit in with the friends that she had made. To me this means that while her family knows her really well away from school, but only people that are at school with her and hanging out with her truly know who she is and what sort of things she may have been into doing. This is what makes things so hard for most people to swallow about the guys lawyering up (not uncommon when you're being questioned by the police) and not talking at all, they certainly hold a key to knowing what kind of life she may have been living that evening. I've always wondered if they took her back to her apartment like they say and then she realized she left her phone and shoes at Kilroy's, so she tries (Very drunkenly) to go back to get what she left and someone tried to take advantage of her drunkeness and took her somewhere and things got way out of hand and they panicked and got rid of her... (this being my theory if the boys aren't actually involved, which I'm not sure one way or the other if they were involved or not.) Or maybe as someone said above she wasn't ready to stop partying yet and she went out looking for more fun and she met with the wrong people.... One thing that I think makes this case so hard is that they don't have an actual crime scene to start their search from, I think it may be solvable but it will take leads and someone talking for it to happen.... It's also not lost on me that Heather Wilson went missing from Bloomington after partying at Kilroys with friends and was then found murdered, I've always wondered if Daniel Messel knows anything about Lauren's case since he was a cab driver in the area, I know that he was very sloppy in Heather's case and left clues behind but something tells me it wasn't the first time he'd caused harm or death... P.S. Also, The Ohio River is at least an hour and a half to two hours away from IU, that's a long way to travel to dispose of a body, not saying it's not possible but that's a big risk to travel that far with her especially if anyone else is intoxicated as is believed to be the case.

    Hey Guys,
    I live in Indianapolis, and I was still a college student at the time that Lauren went missing which let me tell ya was unsettling because I had been to Bloomington on numerous occasions visiting IU friends! One thing that seems to get overlooked by a lot of people is that she was from a decently well-to-do family from New York away from home for the first time navigating life on her own and trying to find herself and fit in with the friends that she had made. To me this means that while her family knows her really well away from school, but only people that are at school with her and hanging out with her truly know who she is and what sort of things she may have been into doing. This is what makes things so hard for most people to swallow about the guys lawyering up (not uncommon when you're being questioned by the police) and not talking at all, they certainly hold a key to knowing what kind of life she may have been living that evening.
    I've always wondered if they took her back to her apartment like they say and then she realized she left her phone and shoes at Kilroy's, so she tries (Very drunkenly) to go back to get what she left and someone tried to take advantage of her drunkeness and took her somewhere and things got way out of hand and they panicked and got rid of her... (this being my theory if the boys aren't actually involved, which I'm not sure one way or the other if they were involved or not.) Or maybe as someone said above she wasn't ready to stop partying yet and she went out looking for more fun and she met with the wrong people....

    One thing that I think makes this case so hard is that they don't have an actual crime scene to start their search from, I think it may be solvable but it will take leads and someone talking for it to happen.... It's also not lost on me that Heather Wilson went missing from Bloomington after partying at Kilroys with friends and was then found murdered, I've always wondered if Daniel Messel knows anything about Lauren's case since he was a cab driver in the area, I know that he was very sloppy in Heather's case and left clues behind but something tells me it wasn't the first time he'd caused harm or death...

    P.S. Also, The Ohio River is at least an hour and a half to two hours away from IU, that's a long way to travel to dispose of a body, not saying it's not possible but that's a big risk to travel that far with her especially if anyone else is intoxicated as is believed to be the case.

  • Reformed Partier

    Reformed Partier Indianapolis

    Hey guys. Recently discovered your podcast and love it. Regarding Lauren's case; I was also that person that partied way too hard in college and did stupid things that could've been dangerous. I've been that girl that walks home alone, very late at night, being very inebriated. I could have very easily become a victim had the wrong person been driving or walking by. I think that's a very plausible explanation, maybe even a probable explanation. In regards to her friends, I don't think they were wrong to lawyer up in this situation. I think any time you are being questioned by police, it's a good idea and if you are being looked at as suspects, it's imperative. Many people point to this making the boys look guilty but, I think it's important to have a lawyer during questioning, ESPECIALLY if you're innocent. Her parents are desperate for answers and have leaned really hard on these boys, to the point of filing lawsuits. I understand the parents desperation but, it seems like the boys have told what they know. Their stories seem very plausible to me. Just my two cents, for what it's worth. Keep up the good work!

    Hey guys. Recently discovered your podcast and love it.
    Regarding Lauren's case; I was also that person that partied way too hard in college and did stupid things that could've been dangerous. I've been that girl that walks home alone, very late at night, being very inebriated. I could have very easily become a victim had the wrong person been driving or walking by. I think that's a very plausible explanation, maybe even a probable explanation.
    In regards to her friends, I don't think they were wrong to lawyer up in this situation. I think any time you are being questioned by police, it's a good idea and if you are being looked at as suspects, it's imperative. Many people point to this making the boys look guilty but, I think it's important to have a lawyer during questioning, ESPECIALLY if you're innocent. Her parents are desperate for answers and have leaned really hard on these boys, to the point of filing lawsuits. I understand the parents desperation but, it seems like the boys have told what they know. Their stories seem very plausible to me.
    Just my two cents, for what it's worth. Keep up the good work!

  • Lauren

    Lauren Indianapolis

    I just listened to the Lauren Spierer episodes. A point I wanted to make is when they were taking about the guy arrested in Martinsville giving a DNA Sample. It was mentioned he was previously on the sex offender list, so he was probably convicted of a felony. In Indiana, if you're convicted of a felony they automatically take a DNA sample.

    I just listened to the Lauren Spierer episodes. A point I wanted to make is when they were taking about the guy arrested in Martinsville giving a DNA Sample. It was mentioned he was previously on the sex offender list, so he was probably convicted of a felony. In Indiana, if you're convicted of a felony they automatically take a DNA sample.

  • Kay

    Kay Bloomington, IN

    Hey! Love the podcast, keep up the good work :) I went to school at IUB when this happened, and of course it was all over the news at the time... This was in the news back then, but I just wanted to mention that the white truck that was of interest was later found and cleared - a lot of construction was happening around the area she was last seen alive (apartment buildings being built), and the truck belonged to a construction worker/company I believe . Multiple security cameras picked up the truck driving through, and due to some kind of time lapse issues with the cameras it looked like the truck was circling the area when really it only drove around once and left. I believe the owner even came forward and drove the police around to recreate what happened with the cameras.

    Hey! Love the podcast, keep up the good work smile
    I went to school at IUB when this happened, and of course it was all over the news at the time... This was in the news back then, but I just wanted to mention that the white truck that was of interest was later found and cleared - a lot of construction was happening around the area she was last seen alive (apartment buildings being built), and the truck belonged to a construction worker/company I believe . Multiple security cameras picked up the truck driving through, and due to some kind of time lapse issues with the cameras it looked like the truck was circling the area when really it only drove around once and left. I believe the owner even came forward and drove the police around to recreate what happened with the cameras.

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    Thank you Kay for the insight. Cheers, Nic

    Thank you Kay for the insight.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Robyn

    Robyn .

    Hi, just a note that I considered best practice not to discuss specific suicide methods in detail when talking about people who have taken their own lives. This puts people with suicidal ideation at risk. The DFW discussion was a little too in-depth - to say he died by hanging would be sufficient and safer. Thanks for your time.

    Hi, just a note that I considered best practice not to discuss specific suicide methods in detail when talking about people who have taken their own lives. This puts people with suicidal ideation at risk. The DFW discussion was a little too in-depth - to say he died by hanging would be sufficient and safer. Thanks for your time.

  • Sarah

    Sarah MINNEAPOLIS, MN

    I've long been interested in missing persons cases (I used to watch Disappeared if anyone's familiar with that show), but I've recently developed a fascination with this case. I don't know why, except to say that at one point in time I could easily have been Lauren -- and also, I suppose, that there are so many possible theories and no easy way to uncover the truth (at least, not without further evidence). Some people seem to think this case will be cracked, but I don't see that becoming much more likely until new information comes to light. Thank you guys for the interesting discussion! It's good to get a different perspective on the same story/facts. This is a matter of some contention, but I have to agree with the Captain. I may be totally off base, but it does seem at least odd to me that she is hanging out with all these guys -- no boyfriend, no girlfriends. It appears that she had plenty of girlfriends (although I do wonder if her behavior had already started to alienate people). I'm not clear as to whether some might have already gone home for the summer, but we do know that not all had -- for example, her friend/roommate was evidently still there. I was in college not too long ago. Certainly, I had male friends. A few good ones. (And even those weren't completely platonic.) I also didn't have a serious boyfriend at the time. So I wonder, why aren't there any girlfriends around at all after 12:30? Some people have suggested she may have been engaging in activities most of her girlfriends wanted no part of. That makes sense to me (esp. in light of the drugs allegedly present). I've seen in some discussion boards that her boyfriend was rumored to be connected to the drug business. Now, this could very well be wild conjecture and completely erroneous. No more "official" discussions of the case that I've seen have made any mention of it. People have also suggested that there was bad blood between the boyfriend and the guys she was hanging out with (a few went so far as to claim that the mysterious "confrontation" outside her apartment was no accident; the bf had enlisted friends to stand guard near her door). Others have suggested that the guys she was hanging out with had significant drug connections. Evidently, someone had drugs (and "small amounts" were found in LS' apartment; I suppose they could have been planted, but that doesn't make too much sense). Whether someone had drug connections worth noting is currently just speculation. Could both the bf and the other guys have hardcore connections? Perhaps even they were rival dealers? That seems a little far-fetched to me. It also appears strange that the bf was so quick to assume that something seriously bad had happened to her. Aparently, as soon as he didn't find her the next day he called her family (her sister, who then called her parents). Most stories say that the bf reported her missing, but I have also heard that it was two friends who filed the report. Is anyone allowed to report anyone else missing within 12 hours (even if not a close relation)? Why the conflicting accounts on this? While I might be able to understand why JW's family was so protective (the boyfriend is usually suspect #1), it does seem somewhat suspect that his parents arrived before hers did. Did they know something we don't? Finally, on a total side note, several commenters have written in defense of their Klonopin. Coming from the mental health/substance use field, a few points. These commenters are absolutely right: when used correctly, it can be immensely useful. But you guys are right, too: it is also potentially very dangerous AND many would agree that it is significantly overprescribed. Ideally, people with substantial anxiety -- myself included -- would learn other ways to manage their symptoms, and use drugs only as a last resort. One good argument for this is that taking benzodiazepines regularly can cause physical dependence and life-threatening withdrawals, even in people who have taken it as prescribed by their physician. So, for those who misuse their prescriptions or take someone else's: be careful -- especially when mixing with alcohol or other CNS depressants. That's a recipe for blackouts, or worse. For those who take it as prescribed: be careful -- and keep your medication in a safe place away from others. A final (and probably not-too-necessary) point: sophisticated drug users should know that insufflation (snorting) is generally a poor method for ingesting benzos. They're chemically not very water soluble, and aren't absorbed well through the nasal membranes. Stop snorting them people. You're better off just taking them orally. (IMO that's pretty evident, but I suppose if you were drunk you might not notice.)

    I've long been interested in missing persons cases (I used to watch Disappeared if anyone's familiar with that show), but I've recently developed a fascination with this case. I don't know why, except to say that at one point in time I could easily have been Lauren -- and also, I suppose, that there are so many possible theories and no easy way to uncover the truth (at least, not without further evidence). Some people seem to think this case will be cracked, but I don't see that becoming much more likely until new information comes to light.

    Thank you guys for the interesting discussion! It's good to get a different perspective on the same story/facts. This is a matter of some contention, but I have to agree with the Captain. I may be totally off base, but it does seem at least odd to me that she is hanging out with all these guys -- no boyfriend, no girlfriends. It appears that she had plenty of girlfriends (although I do wonder if her behavior had already started to alienate people). I'm not clear as to whether some might have already gone home for the summer, but we do know that not all had -- for example, her friend/roommate was evidently still there.

    I was in college not too long ago. Certainly, I had male friends. A few good ones. (And even those weren't completely platonic.) I also didn't have a serious boyfriend at the time. So I wonder, why aren't there any girlfriends around at all after 12:30? Some people have suggested she may have been engaging in activities most of her girlfriends wanted no part of. That makes sense to me (esp. in light of the drugs allegedly present).

    I've seen in some discussion boards that her boyfriend was rumored to be connected to the drug business. Now, this could very well be wild conjecture and completely erroneous. No more "official" discussions of the case that I've seen have made any mention of it. People have also suggested that there was bad blood between the boyfriend and the guys she was hanging out with (a few went so far as to claim that the mysterious "confrontation" outside her apartment was no accident; the bf had enlisted friends to stand guard near her door). Others have suggested that the guys she was hanging out with had significant drug connections. Evidently, someone had drugs (and "small amounts" were found in LS' apartment; I suppose they could have been planted, but that doesn't make too much sense). Whether someone had drug connections worth noting is currently just speculation. Could both the bf and the other guys have hardcore connections? Perhaps even they were rival dealers? That seems a little far-fetched to me.

    It also appears strange that the bf was so quick to assume that something seriously bad had happened to her. Aparently, as soon as he didn't find her the next day he called her family (her sister, who then called her parents). Most stories say that the bf reported her missing, but I have also heard that it was two friends who filed the report. Is anyone allowed to report anyone else missing within 12 hours (even if not a close relation)? Why the conflicting accounts on this? While I might be able to understand why JW's family was so protective (the boyfriend is usually suspect #1), it does seem somewhat suspect that his parents arrived before hers did. Did they know something we don't?

    Finally, on a total side note, several commenters have written in defense of their Klonopin. Coming from the mental health/substance use field, a few points. These commenters are absolutely right: when used correctly, it can be immensely useful. But you guys are right, too: it is also potentially very dangerous AND many would agree that it is significantly overprescribed. Ideally, people with substantial anxiety -- myself included -- would learn other ways to manage their symptoms, and use drugs only as a last resort. One good argument for this is that taking benzodiazepines regularly can cause physical dependence and life-threatening withdrawals, even in people who have taken it as prescribed by their physician. So, for those who misuse their prescriptions or take someone else's: be careful -- especially when mixing with alcohol or other CNS depressants. That's a recipe for blackouts, or worse. For those who take it as prescribed: be careful -- and keep your medication in a safe place away from others.

    A final (and probably not-too-necessary) point: sophisticated drug users should know that insufflation (snorting) is generally a poor method for ingesting benzos. They're chemically not very water soluble, and aren't absorbed well through the nasal membranes. Stop snorting them people. You're better off just taking them orally. (IMO that's pretty evident, but I suppose if you were drunk you might not notice.)

  • Kelsey

    Kelsey Bedford, Indiana

    As far as searching Monroe Lake, from what I can remember, they searched “parts” of the Lake. I live about 25 minutes south of Bloomington and from here it’s a little under two hours to reach the Ohio River. Which to me would be out of the way to do a body dump. But also one thing to keep in mind with southern Indiana is that There is limestone everywhere. When you live in a karst rich place, there are MANY caves and sinkholes. Throw something in a large sinkhole and it’s practically gone forever. I don’t think it would be too far fetched to speculate that possibility as well. Again, Bedford is only 25-30 minutes south of Bloomington, which is the limestone capital of the world.

    As far as searching Monroe Lake, from what I can remember, they searched “parts” of the Lake. I live about 25 minutes south of Bloomington and from here it’s a little under two hours to reach the Ohio River. Which to me would be out of the way to do a body dump. But also one thing to keep in mind with southern Indiana is that There is limestone everywhere. When you live in a karst rich place, there are MANY caves and sinkholes. Throw something in a large sinkhole and it’s practically gone forever. I don’t think it would be too far fetched to speculate that possibility as well. Again, Bedford is only 25-30 minutes south of Bloomington, which is the limestone capital of the world.

  • Mark

    Mark Austin

    Very attractive, very drunk, very small.. A predator looking for a victim could not find a more prime target. Sadly I think she was probably attacked and her body buried somewhere.

    Very attractive, very drunk, very small.. A predator looking for a victim could not find a more prime target. Sadly I think she was probably attacked and her body buried somewhere.

  • Jess

    Jess Chicago

    As a pharmacy student, and knowing all about drugs and he effects with different conditions, Lauren had Long QT syndrome, which is a serious condition that causes your heart to beat irregular and can cause palpitations, shortness of breath, fainting, seizures and even death. A lot of drugs can cause this or make it even worse for someone who does have this. If she was using clonazepam, alcohol, cocaine, ecstasy, etc together, this could definitely be a legal combination especially with her condition. The sad part is, there’s a possibility the people she were with were afraid and dumped her body so they wouldn’t get in trouble. So sad.

    As a pharmacy student, and knowing all about drugs and he effects with different conditions,
    Lauren had Long QT syndrome, which is a serious condition that causes your heart to beat irregular and can cause palpitations, shortness of breath, fainting, seizures and even death. A lot of drugs can cause this or make it even worse for someone who does have this. If she was using clonazepam, alcohol, cocaine, ecstasy, etc together, this could definitely be a legal combination especially with her condition. The sad part is, there’s a possibility the people she were with were afraid and dumped her body so they wouldn’t get in trouble. So sad.

  • KC

    KC Parts Unknown

    Wow, in part two you guys dropped a serious bombshell, but you hardly spent a minute on it. Background: Long QT syndrome is a serious heart condition which can be aggravated to the point of fatality by exposure to many medications. Given she has Long QT Syndrome, and the evidence she was on cocaine, a known cause of long QT, among potential other drugs she may have consumed, like klonopin, it seems likely she may have gone into what's called Torsades de Points, a fatal heart arrhythmia that's an intensification of long QT, and died. Her friends panic and get rid of her body, possibly due to fears of implication in what they believe to be an overdose. Imho it's quite possible if not outright likely this happened. Maybe her friends had roofied her in addition, and that's why they dumped her body somewhere to cover it up.

    Wow, in part two you guys dropped a serious bombshell, but you hardly spent a minute on it. Background: Long QT syndrome is a serious heart condition which can be aggravated to the point of fatality by exposure to many medications. Given she has Long QT Syndrome, and the evidence she was on cocaine, a known cause of long QT, among potential other drugs she may have consumed, like klonopin, it seems likely she may have gone into what's called Torsades de Points, a fatal heart arrhythmia that's an intensification of long QT, and died. Her friends panic and get rid of her body, possibly due to fears of implication in what they believe to be an overdose. Imho it's quite possible if not outright likely this happened. Maybe her friends had roofied her in addition, and that's why they dumped her body somewhere to cover it up.

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