Lindsay Buziak /// 324 /// 325

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  • Mike

    Mike Houston,Texas

    My family is in real estate and you rarely get a showing to any property unless you have a pre approval letter from your bank. So my question is does this pre approval letter exist?

    My family is in real estate and you rarely get a showing to any property unless you have a pre approval letter from your bank. So my question is does this pre approval letter exist?

  • Sabrina

    Sabrina Tampa, FL

    Ok, please don't be mad at me for saying these things, but: She did not deserve to be killed at all, but its rude to label potential people in your phone as "Mexicans" she does not deserve to be killed I am just wondering if they gave her any kind of names, cause for her to label them "mexicans', it appears they didn't give their names, and who shows a house to someone without giving a name? Yes, it could be fake, but still. Major red flag with no names--still this is not her fault I am not saying that. Just wondering. 2nd: I am not blaming the boyfriend, but if he was going there to get some paperwork and jump on a potential sale (which I agree, in sales you strike asap) then why would he park in the cal de sac and wait? wouldn't he park in the driveway, and go in and say "im here to get some paperwork for a deal" why would he sit in the cal de sac and wait? I have heard this case before on a show, I can't remember what, and I have to listen to part 2 of your show when it is out to see if I think the boyfriend is involved, so this is probably just rumor, or different stories being told, but it doesn't make sense if he would just go in to get the paperwork, and he sits in the cal de sac watching the house. So it must have been that he wanted to make sure she was ok since she was going to meet people in a house, with no names, just "the Mexicans". Or he is involved and is waiting for the coast to be clear to go in and "find" her. Still, people are innocent til proven guilty. I have gone to see many homes, and they get your name and info so they can put in their system, mostly so they can call you as a sales call in the future about buying a house, I am still so confused why there were no names, and yes likely they would have been fake names, but I don't think I'd show a house to people that didn't give me their names. Maybe part 2 will have me feeling different, so can't wait for it.

    Ok, please don't be mad at me for saying these things, but:

    She did not deserve to be killed at all, but its rude to label potential people in your phone as "Mexicans" she does not deserve to be killed I am just wondering if they gave her any kind of names, cause for her to label them "mexicans', it appears they didn't give their names, and who shows a house to someone without giving a name? Yes, it could be fake, but still. Major red flag with no names--still this is not her fault I am not saying that. Just wondering.

    2nd: I am not blaming the boyfriend, but if he was going there to get some paperwork and jump on a potential sale (which I agree, in sales you strike asap) then why would he park in the cal de sac and wait? wouldn't he park in the driveway, and go in and say "im here to get some paperwork for a deal" why would he sit in the cal de sac and wait? I have heard this case before on a show, I can't remember what, and I have to listen to part 2 of your show when it is out to see if I think the boyfriend is involved, so this is probably just rumor, or different stories being told, but it doesn't make sense if he would just go in to get the paperwork, and he sits in the cal de sac watching the house. So it must have been that he wanted to make sure she was ok since she was going to meet people in a house, with no names, just "the Mexicans". Or he is involved and is waiting for the coast to be clear to go in and "find" her. Still, people are innocent til proven guilty.

    I have gone to see many homes, and they get your name and info so they can put in their system, mostly so they can call you as a sales call in the future about buying a house, I am still so confused why there were no names, and yes likely they would have been fake names, but I don't think I'd show a house to people that didn't give me their names.

    Maybe part 2 will have me feeling different, so can't wait for it.

  • Jenni

    Jenni Lexington Ky

    Mike, the people said they were cash buyers.

    Mike, the people said they were cash buyers.

  • Lindsay

    Lindsay Ontario

    Mike, I've never had this experience with real estate in Canada. An agent may vet clients for higher-end properties, but it's discretionary. My agent verbally asked me to confirm a budget without supporting documentation. If a property is on the MLS, an agent can book a showing without providing the potential buyer's information.

    Mike, I've never had this experience with real estate in Canada. An agent may vet clients for higher-end properties, but it's discretionary. My agent verbally asked me to confirm a budget without supporting documentation. If a property is on the MLS, an agent can book a showing without providing the potential buyer's information.

  • Austin

    Austin Illinois

    Hey Mike, I'm currently looking for a house to buy and I've been shown a bunch of houses without getting a pre approval from a bank.

    Hey Mike,
    I'm currently looking for a house to buy and I've been shown a bunch of houses without getting a pre approval from a bank.

  • Trevor

    Trevor UT

    Question. Wouldn’t Jason have known to go straight upstairs if the killers bloody footprints would have led from the body, to the front door where the killers would have put their shoes on? Then the killers bloody footprints stop, and the killers take off out the back door? The cops said they know a man and a woman were their because of the bloody foot prints. Even if the footprints didn’t make it all the way to the front door, wouldn’t it be possible that they were visible enough to be seen when someone walked into the house? The cops said it was a blood bath in the house. I don’t find it hard to believe that the killers left a trail from the body to the door.

    Question. Wouldn’t Jason have known to go straight upstairs if the killers bloody footprints would have led from the body, to the front door where the killers would have put their shoes on? Then the killers bloody footprints stop, and the killers take off out the back door? The cops said they know a man and a woman were their because of the bloody foot prints. Even if the footprints didn’t make it all the way to the front door, wouldn’t it be possible that they were visible enough to be seen when someone walked into the house? The cops said it was a blood bath in the house. I don’t find it hard to believe that the killers left a trail from the body to the door.

  • Michelle T

    Michelle T Durham, NC

    I am still listening to these episodes, but so far this is a fascinating story. I understand Captain's gut feeling about the perps not living together. When my husband and I go out to dinner, he usually dresses faster than I do, and if I come out wearing something like an aquamarine blue when he has a navy shirt on under a black jacket, he'll change his shirt. Not to be cutesy; just not to clash, like a dork. It's okay for him to be a nerd, but not to look like one.

    I am still listening to these episodes, but so far this is a fascinating story. I understand Captain's gut feeling about the perps not living together. When my husband and I go out to dinner, he usually dresses faster than I do, and if I come out wearing something like an aquamarine blue when he has a navy shirt on under a black jacket, he'll change his shirt. Not to be cutesy; just not to clash, like a dork. It's okay for him to be a nerd, but not to look like one.

  • Alvaro

    Alvaro parts unknown

    It was stated in the beginning that the Mexicans named one of Lindsey's colleagues as the connection between themselves and Lindsay. This seems like a promising lead, but it wasn't mentioned again later. I was a little curious if this went anywhere. I like the Captain, but I really don't understand why he kept saying that the boyfriend could still have put himself at the crime scene even if he were guilty of hiring hit-men. I got frustrated too when the Colonel was trying to discuss this with him, because it is self-evident that if someone hired contract killers to get rid of someone, they are definitely not going to put themselves at the scene of the crime less than a minute after the killers and even make themselves the discoverer of the body. No, someone who hires a killer is definitely not going to put themselves at the crime scene, and the only explanation for how that happened is that the boyfriend didn't know Lindsey had been killed and was innocent of any involvement. The drug bust theory seems very likely. It's too bad the police couldn't quite close the loop on that. Maybe they still will.

    It was stated in the beginning that the Mexicans named one of Lindsey's colleagues as the connection between themselves and Lindsay. This seems like a promising lead, but it wasn't mentioned again later. I was a little curious if this went anywhere.

    I like the Captain, but I really don't understand why he kept saying that the boyfriend could still have put himself at the crime scene even if he were guilty of hiring hit-men. I got frustrated too when the Colonel was trying to discuss this with him, because it is self-evident that if someone hired contract killers to get rid of someone, they are definitely not going to put themselves at the scene of the crime less than a minute after the killers and even make themselves the discoverer of the body. No, someone who hires a killer is definitely not going to put themselves at the crime scene, and the only explanation for how that happened is that the boyfriend didn't know Lindsey had been killed and was innocent of any involvement.

    The drug bust theory seems very likely. It's too bad the police couldn't quite close the loop on that. Maybe they still will.

  • Luke

    Luke

    This case is truly strange, upsetting and tragic, I appreciate the guys covering it. I agree that this looks like a professional job unfortunately with very little forensic evidence left. There are some things that stick out to me; - Where was the getaway car? There is no report of a unaccounted car being in the cul-de-sac. The couple were reported to have walked up and greeted her out the front of the house and then all 3 went inside. This leads me to assume they kept the car on one of the surrounding streets. The fact that they greeted her on the street also leads to the thought that they were completely unknown to Lindsay. - The house that that was chosen was on the corner of the street. This gives the suspects 2 clear ways to exit the premises straight onto the side walk, whereas a house in the middle of the street they would have to jump through neighbouring houses. Could the location have been suggested to Lindsay by a colleague? - If you look at the location of the house, it is right in the middle of very residential area. The confidence of these suspects to commit this crime at 5:30pm on a Saturday (granted this is February in Canada) leads you to believe that they are not from the area with no concern of being identified. - The access to a burner phone that was purchased in November and only activated days before the murder also leads to the idea that this was a professional, well thought out job. I'm conflicted with trying to link this murder to the drug bust that happened in January. If you believe that the burner phone was purchased in November with the intention to use it for this crime, then it's months before the drug bust in Calgary and any search for a snitch. However, criminals/drug dealers may aim to accumulate burner phones and then just activate them whenever the need arises. I hope that there is some closure on this case soon. Victoria is a beautiful place to visit if you're every in Canada!

    This case is truly strange, upsetting and tragic, I appreciate the guys covering it. I agree that this looks like a professional job unfortunately with very little forensic evidence left. There are some things that stick out to me;
    - Where was the getaway car? There is no report of a unaccounted car being in the cul-de-sac. The couple were reported to have walked up and greeted her out the front of the house and then all 3 went inside. This leads me to assume they kept the car on one of the surrounding streets. The fact that they greeted her on the street also leads to the thought that they were completely unknown to Lindsay.
    - The house that that was chosen was on the corner of the street. This gives the suspects 2 clear ways to exit the premises straight onto the side walk, whereas a house in the middle of the street they would have to jump through neighbouring houses. Could the location have been suggested to Lindsay by a colleague?
    - If you look at the location of the house, it is right in the middle of very residential area. The confidence of these suspects to commit this crime at 5:30pm on a Saturday (granted this is February in Canada) leads you to believe that they are not from the area with no concern of being identified.
    - The access to a burner phone that was purchased in November and only activated days before the murder also leads to the idea that this was a professional, well thought out job.
    I'm conflicted with trying to link this murder to the drug bust that happened in January. If you believe that the burner phone was purchased in November with the intention to use it for this crime, then it's months before the drug bust in Calgary and any search for a snitch. However, criminals/drug dealers may aim to accumulate burner phones and then just activate them whenever the need arises.
    I hope that there is some closure on this case soon. Victoria is a beautiful place to visit if you're every in Canada!

  • Megan

    Megan

    Excellent music Captain. This week's still stuck in my head.

    Excellent music Captain. This week's still stuck in my head.

  • TCObsessed10

    TCObsessed10

    Though Jason seems like a convenient suspect, the fact that investigators spent two years investigating him, I want to feel confident that they’d have checked his text history, call history, bank accounts, etc. If it was truly a “hit” ordered by him, there’d be some sort of trail unless he’s a Zodiac killer wannabe and spent years planning the perfect murder. I think the theory about Jason’s mother doesn’t hold water, as well as the informant theory. If I were on a jury, there’s reasonable doubt on both of those theories and I’d need more evidence before voting a guilty verdict. Against Jason...why would he need paperwork an hour after dinner with Lindsay, who he lives with, when he’s with a friend, has gone out of his way to get the paperwork and has a hockey game that night. I don’t like that he went right to master bedroom but to play devils advocate, he may have known about the house layout if the house was on the market for a year and he was in the business. Other questions, where would the killers have parked their car if they met Lindsay on foot? Purchasing a burner phone so far in advance has me think this was an ordered hit and not random. But why would a hit be carried out by two people if that’s what Jason said he saw? If the killers left out of a door that’s not the front door, why would Jason try the front door and call 911. Did he try to gain access through all of the doors? I’m surprised by the call to 911 so quickly. Baffling!

    Though Jason seems like a convenient suspect, the fact that investigators spent two years investigating him, I want to feel confident that they’d have checked his text history, call history, bank accounts, etc. If it was truly a “hit” ordered by him, there’d be some sort of trail unless he’s a Zodiac killer wannabe and spent years planning the perfect murder. I think the theory about Jason’s mother doesn’t hold water, as well as the informant theory. If I were on a jury, there’s reasonable doubt on both of those theories and I’d need more evidence before voting a guilty verdict. Against Jason...why would he need paperwork an hour after dinner with Lindsay, who he lives with, when he’s with a friend, has gone out of his way to get the paperwork and has a hockey game that night. I don’t like that he went right to master bedroom but to play devils advocate, he may have known about the house layout if the house was on the market for a year and he was in the business.

    Other questions, where would the killers have parked their car if they met Lindsay on foot?

    Purchasing a burner phone so far in advance has me think this was an ordered hit and not random. But why would a hit be carried out by two people if that’s what Jason said he saw?

    If the killers left out of a door that’s not the front door, why would Jason try the front door and call 911. Did he try to gain access through all of the doors? I’m surprised by the call to 911 so quickly.

    Baffling!

  • Matt

    Matt Virginia

    Is there any evidence to suggest that, once the cartel realized Lindsay was not the snitch, they made efforts to "correct" the problem by eliminating the real snitch. That would lend further credibility to the drug cartel theory. Also, is there a chance that Lindsay was not the snitch, but still knew something and was killed for that reason?

    Is there any evidence to suggest that, once the cartel realized Lindsay was not the snitch, they made efforts to "correct" the problem by eliminating the real snitch. That would lend further credibility to the drug cartel theory. Also, is there a chance that Lindsay was not the snitch, but still knew something and was killed for that reason?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    I have family in real estate as well and went to school for it myself years ago but never went into that line of work. Pre-approval is not a hard and fast rule. Typically only showing homes to someone who is pre-approved comes out of these two scenarios. The agent has been in the business for a while and has been burned by showing homes to unqualified buyers or shows a home and later someone makes the sale. Or the market is crazy busy and the agent wants to make sure they are not missing out on a sale by wasting time with someone who is either not truly in the market or is far away from purchasing. A couple of things to keep in mind... Lindsay was told these buyers were relocating and had a relocating budget. Smart on the killers part as often you have to find the property and submit it for approval from the business paying/supporting the relocation first before it goes anywhere else. This would immediately shut down conversation about preapproval. Likely Lindsay asked if they were pre-approved to which the woman then would say we relocating with assistance from our jobs. The other thing too is sometimes your first showing is really to feel out your potential new clients. You want them them to purchase that property or walk away from it but then knowing that you have become their agent and will assist them going forward. With Lindsay being fairly new to the career she was probably still perfecting her craft. She wanted to be their agent and therefor the first showing was most important. I do agree with all and find it strange that in multiple phone calls no names were given. We cannot say this for sure though either... all we know is, Lindsay never wrote down names or mentioned them to others and simply referred to the buyers as "the Mexicans" I also really believe that Lindsay being targeted was a mix up and that there is no "real" connection between her and the killers and this has made the investigation extremely difficult as LE spent the first 2 years investigating Jason and his family. Nic

    I have family in real estate as well and went to school for it myself years ago but never went into that line of work.
    Pre-approval is not a hard and fast rule. Typically only showing homes to someone who is pre-approved comes out of these two scenarios. The agent has been in the business for a while and has been burned by showing homes to unqualified buyers or shows a home and later someone makes the sale. Or the market is crazy busy and the agent wants to make sure they are not missing out on a sale by wasting time with someone who is either not truly in the market or is far away from purchasing.
    A couple of things to keep in mind... Lindsay was told these buyers were relocating and had a relocating budget. Smart on the killers part as often you have to find the property and submit it for approval from the business paying/supporting the relocation first before it goes anywhere else. This would immediately shut down conversation about preapproval. Likely Lindsay asked if they were pre-approved to which the woman then would say we relocating with assistance from our jobs.
    The other thing too is sometimes your first showing is really to feel out your potential new clients. You want them them to purchase that property or walk away from it but then knowing that you have become their agent and will assist them going forward. With Lindsay being fairly new to the career she was probably still perfecting her craft. She wanted to be their agent and therefor the first showing was most important. I do agree with all and find it strange that in multiple phone calls no names were given. We cannot say this for sure though either... all we know is, Lindsay never wrote down names or mentioned them to others and simply referred to the buyers as "the Mexicans"
    I also really believe that Lindsay being targeted was a mix up and that there is no "real" connection between her and the killers and this has made the investigation extremely difficult as LE spent the first 2 years investigating Jason and his family.
    Nic

  • It’s disheartening to consider the tragic loss of this young woman, especially if the connection to a link in the El Chapo cartel chain is true and Lindsay Buziak was either mistakenly identified as a police informant or was killed in the place of one. The “war on drugs” that has been waged in North America since President Reagan has only produced more drugs, more crime, and more death, and moved all of it into the lives of people who have no involvement in drugs at all. The online bullying and trolling of the young woman’s boyfriend and his family is just as tragic and long-lasting. The more pages and videos and blog comments that mention their names in a negative light, when they have clearly been exonerated, means that they will permanently have an assumption of guilt tied to their names. Sometimes I wonder if someone should turn this activity back on the perpetrators, so that they can live in the offline hell that this irresponsible behavior creates for the victims. Internet search engines only know about volumes of keywords and clicks—not about responsibility and ethics. And such people certainly don’t contribute to the search for Ms. Buziak’s killer. Michelle T.

    It’s disheartening to consider the tragic loss of this young woman, especially if the connection to a link in the El Chapo cartel chain is true and Lindsay Buziak was either mistakenly identified as a police informant or was killed in the place of one. The “war on drugs” that has been waged in North America since President Reagan has only produced more drugs, more crime, and more death, and moved all of it into the lives of people who have no involvement in drugs at all.

    The online bullying and trolling of the young woman’s boyfriend and his family is just as tragic and long-lasting. The more pages and videos and blog comments that mention their names in a negative light, when they have clearly been exonerated, means that they will permanently have an assumption of guilt tied to their names. Sometimes I wonder if someone should turn this activity back on the perpetrators, so that they can live in the offline hell that this irresponsible behavior creates for the victims. Internet search engines only know about volumes of keywords and clicks—not about responsibility and ethics. And such people certainly don’t contribute to the search for Ms. Buziak’s killer.
    Michelle T.

  • Rachel

    Rachel O-H-I-O

    Alvaro- My thoughts exactly about the lead. Only someone who knew Lindsay or had access to her sales files at work (which would only be the broker of the office, not other agents) would know the names of past clients. As far as the Captain's thoughts on Jason and the scene of the crime I would just counter that you are discussing probability and he was talking about possibility. Statistically, there is a greater chance of something being possible (50/50) whereas probability is a much smaller number since it takes into account different variables. So I don't agree with his idea on Jason, but it's not completely insane that he would consider that scenario. And Nic-I took my courses too in two different states (straight A's thank you very much :p) but never went on to pursue it as a career either. Though it's also not off the table. But my ex husband was a real estate broker and a mortgage banker as well as a real estate investor, so I have quite a bit of experience in the US market. What I wanted to point out was that a person who is in the situation these killers described (relocating) would not call the listing agent of a property. They would be looking exclusively for a buyers agent to shop around for them. And most newer agents are just that-buyers agents. Everyone wants to be exclusively a listing agent because it's a lot less time and effort spent for the same payout (more if you are acting in dual agency, not sure about Canadian laws on that, here in OH you can do it) but that only happens later in an agents career unless they are extremely well connected to someone who buys and sells a lot of real estate and offers them all of their sales as listings. To me, their ability to construct such a believable story that takes into account all the nuances that an agent would wonder about, suggests to me that a real estate professional helped them to concoct this story to lure Lindsay. Anyways, I guess I am pointing out that everything about this crime seems so well thought out and planned and I don't actually think Lindsay was a mistaken target. I think she had a "friend" who actually didn't like her very much, wanted her gone, and that friend also had ties to dangerous people. I also think this friend likely worked with her and knew her clients names or at least the address of the house and could pull up the auditor's site to get the owners name. This "friend" suggests that Lindsay be framed as the one who caused the bust and could supply details about Lindsay's life that would make her an easy sell as the "snitch." I think it was a perfect storm at the crossroads of one family or circle of acquaintances that had multiple members with a problem to solve. One's "problem" was Lindsay, and the other's was needing a Patsy. I read that Huff Post dudes blog and it makes a lot of sense.

    Alvaro- My thoughts exactly about the lead. Only someone who knew Lindsay or had access to her sales files at work (which would only be the broker of the office, not other agents) would know the names of past clients. As far as the Captain's thoughts on Jason and the scene of the crime I would just counter that you are discussing probability and he was talking about possibility. Statistically, there is a greater chance of something being possible (50/50) whereas probability is a much smaller number since it takes into account different variables. So I don't agree with his idea on Jason, but it's not completely insane that he would consider that scenario.

    And Nic-I took my courses too in two different states (straight A's thank you very much :p) but never went on to pursue it as a career either. Though it's also not off the table. But my ex husband was a real estate broker and a mortgage banker as well as a real estate investor, so I have quite a bit of experience in the US market. What I wanted to point out was that a person who is in the situation these killers described (relocating) would not call the listing agent of a property. They would be looking exclusively for a buyers agent to shop around for them. And most newer agents are just that-buyers agents. Everyone wants to be exclusively a listing agent because it's a lot less time and effort spent for the same payout (more if you are acting in dual agency, not sure about Canadian laws on that, here in OH you can do it) but that only happens later in an agents career unless they are extremely well connected to someone who buys and sells a lot of real estate and offers them all of their sales as listings. To me, their ability to construct such a believable story that takes into account all the nuances that an agent would wonder about, suggests to me that a real estate professional helped them to concoct this story to lure Lindsay. Anyways, I guess I am pointing out that everything about this crime seems so well thought out and planned and I don't actually think Lindsay was a mistaken target. I think she had a "friend" who actually didn't like her very much, wanted her gone, and that friend also had ties to dangerous people. I also think this friend likely worked with her and knew her clients names or at least the address of the house and could pull up the auditor's site to get the owners name. This "friend" suggests that Lindsay be framed as the one who caused the bust and could supply details about Lindsay's life that would make her an easy sell as the "snitch." I think it was a perfect storm at the crossroads of one family or circle of acquaintances that had multiple members with a problem to solve. One's "problem" was Lindsay, and the other's was needing a Patsy. I read that Huff Post dudes blog and it makes a lot of sense.

  • Shannon

    Shannon California

    The for the last two weeks, it really sounds like you two are fighting and do not like each other. A heavy vibe of it on the episodes. I hope you guys are still enjoying doing the podcasts.

    The for the last two weeks, it really sounds like you two are fighting and do not like each other. A heavy vibe of it on the episodes. I hope you guys are still enjoying doing the podcasts.

  • DJ

    DJ Vancouver

    Thanks for such a thorough review of this case. I have been recommending it to podcasters for years, so great to see you guys take it on! I thought I knew everything there was to know, and yet I heard things for the first time. I appreciate the boyfriend has been “cleared”, but I find some of his actions problematic. Like TCObsessed10 mentioned, I find his call to 911 before he has even entered the home really concerning, especially if we are to believe he was NOT there to ‘protect’ her, rather to complete paperwork. Seems like an over reaction. And, the killers can’t exit from the front door, so exit out back, where there “just happened” to be broken fence boards....hmmmmmm. Great episodes! 👍

    Thanks for such a thorough review of this case. I have been recommending it to podcasters for years, so great to see you guys take it on! I thought I knew everything there was to know, and yet I heard things for the first time.
    I appreciate the boyfriend has been “cleared”, but I find some of his actions problematic. Like TCObsessed10 mentioned, I find his call to 911 before he has even entered the home really concerning, especially if we are to believe he was NOT there to ‘protect’ her, rather to complete paperwork. Seems like an over reaction. And, the killers can’t exit from the front door, so exit out back, where there “just happened” to be broken fence boards....hmmmmmm. Great episodes! 👍

  • Sabrina

    Sabrina Tampa, FL

    I kind of take back my comments on her not getting the names and such, and on the boyfriend, it seems that if this was a professional hit, they would have got to her anyway, if she didnt trust them to show a house, they would have found another way. Its so sad, I feel so bad for her. If she was killed just so the killers could show their upaboves they took care of the problem, it so sad. She didn't deserve this at all, nobody does. I mean even if you are a snitch, nobody deserves to be killed. Great coverage on this, somehow, I hope those pieces of crap get what they deserve, whomever they are.

    I kind of take back my comments on her not getting the names and such, and on the boyfriend, it seems that if this was a professional hit, they would have got to her anyway, if she didnt trust them to show a house, they would have found another way. Its so sad, I feel so bad for her. If she was killed just so the killers could show their upaboves they took care of the problem, it so sad. She didn't deserve this at all, nobody does. I mean even if you are a snitch, nobody deserves to be killed. Great coverage on this, somehow, I hope those pieces of crap get what they deserve, whomever they are.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Always good to hear from you Rachel and you are right they would be looking for a buying agent. - Shannon I would be lying if I said doing over 300 episodes has not taken a toll on the both of us. We still enjoy the show, each other and we both hope to put out a show for a long time. DJ thanks for the support and thank you Sabrina. CHEERS Nic

    Always good to hear from you Rachel and you are right they would be looking for a buying agent.
    - Shannon I would be lying if I said doing over 300 episodes has not taken a toll on the both of us. We still enjoy the show, each other and we both hope to put out a show for a long time.
    DJ thanks for the support and thank you Sabrina.
    CHEERS Nic

  • joe

    joe dirt

    good episode. Sad story. Who woulda thought the cartel was so prevalent so far north. It's also very surprising that no evidence was found or anything. Sounds like the 2 potential suspects who matched the descriptions are probably them. Very surprising they were able to cover there tracks so cleanly. Cartel members usually aren't the smartest...

    good episode. Sad story. Who woulda thought the cartel was so prevalent so far north. It's also very surprising that no evidence was found or anything. Sounds like the 2 potential suspects who matched the descriptions are probably them. Very surprising they were able to cover there tracks so cleanly. Cartel members usually aren't the smartest...

  • Bryn

    Bryn Bloomington, MN

    Trevor - YES! I hadn't thought of that and surprised the guys didn't either. If there are bloody footprints all he would have to do is follow them. Shannon - I agree but I love when they don't agree. I love that they don't feel the need to agree with each other. Also, I am sure many of us listening may agree with one but not the other...so it is nice for them to have different thoughts and view points. But I am glad you got Nic to confirm that they hope to keep putting out the show for a long time. :)

    Trevor - YES! I hadn't thought of that and surprised the guys didn't either. If there are bloody footprints all he would have to do is follow them.
    Shannon - I agree but I love when they don't agree. I love that they don't feel the need to agree with each other. Also, I am sure many of us listening may agree with one but not the other...so it is nice for them to have different thoughts and view points. But I am glad you got Nic to confirm that they hope to keep putting out the show for a long time. smile

  • DJ

    DJ Vancouver

    Also, thanks for recommending Garry Rodgers. I checked out his blog and found it really interesting. I found it very intriguing his comments about Lindsay’s “best friend” who worked at the ReMax office and would have had access to all the info about the house, and she had connections to some shady people. She abruptly quit the day after Lindsay was murdered.

    Also, thanks for recommending Garry Rodgers. I checked out his blog and found it really interesting. I found it very intriguing his comments about Lindsay’s “best friend” who worked at the ReMax office and would have had access to all the info about the house, and she had connections to some shady people. She abruptly quit the day after Lindsay was murdered.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Yes Garry's blog and all of the info he has on the case is amazing. We could have done more episodes on this case but we really try to just do 2 hours on each case. So we thought it was very important to recommend his blog this week rather than a book because there are so many angles to this case. Nic

    Yes Garry's blog and all of the info he has on the case is amazing. We could have done more episodes on this case but we really try to just do 2 hours on each case. So we thought it was very important to recommend his blog this week rather than a book because there are so many angles to this case.
    Nic

  • Eliza

    Eliza Canada

    This is such an interesting case. Nic, you told the story really well and clearly it was diligently -researched. It sounded like the captain had a few too many beers, I had to skip past his incoherent interruptions. You typically tell the story more cooperatively but I Guess we all have our days. Thanks for the great episode and look forward to many more.

    This is such an interesting case. Nic, you told the story really well and clearly it was diligently -researched. It sounded like the captain had a few too many beers, I had to skip past his incoherent interruptions. You typically tell the story more cooperatively but I Guess we all have our days. Thanks for the great episode and look forward to many more.

  • Amanda

    Amanda Maryland

    I understand that anyone close to the victim is going to be a suspect, but man, all of those theories about Jason's family were exhausting. Was definitely rolling my eyes at some of the stretches of logic. His mom makes good money, therefore she must be involved in drugs? Almost any reason they used to suspect Jason's family could easily apply to anyone else in the town and doesn't narrow it down at all. Every detail of the case got twisted into some wacky story to make it fit Jason or his mom. For those of us not involved in the investigation, this case is so confusing! Some say Lindsay was nervous about meeting the clients, others say she wasn't. Some say she got along great with Jason's mom, others say they hated each other. I just have to hope and trust that the investigators are really doing their best with what's available. I appreciate you guys doing your best to summarize such a complicated story!

    I understand that anyone close to the victim is going to be a suspect, but man, all of those theories about Jason's family were exhausting. Was definitely rolling my eyes at some of the stretches of logic. His mom makes good money, therefore she must be involved in drugs? Almost any reason they used to suspect Jason's family could easily apply to anyone else in the town and doesn't narrow it down at all. Every detail of the case got twisted into some wacky story to make it fit Jason or his mom.

    For those of us not involved in the investigation, this case is so confusing! Some say Lindsay was nervous about meeting the clients, others say she wasn't. Some say she got along great with Jason's mom, others say they hated each other. I just have to hope and trust that the investigators are really doing their best with what's available. I appreciate you guys doing your best to summarize such a complicated story!

  • NicC

    NicC UK

    Currently listening to the second part of this story and one thing I don’t understand is why the boyfriend didn’t just give a Lindsey the paperwork when they had a (very late) lunch? I did hear that part correctly didn’t I? She and Jason had lunch at a restaurant called Sauce and left at around 4.20pm with Lindsey stating she was going home to change before the meeting? That being the case, how can the paperwork not be important enough to give to her over lunch, but then less than 9p minutes later become so important that he needed to take his friend and drive over to the house showing to give it to her? I know literally nothing about the case other than what I have listened to in your podcasts, yet I actually agree with the captain when he said about potentially hiding in plain sight and either putting yourself as far away from something as possible or putting yourself right there instead. Nic, you said the boyfriends story about why he went to the house was plausible...how plausible can it be when he declined to give her the paperwork less than an hour before? I believe you said he left the restaurant and went to pick up Cohen with no mention of him returning to work in between where he could have picked the paperwork up if the offer had come in during his time out of the office? Playing devils advocate, maybe he wanted to be there so that when he ‘discovered’ Lindsey’s body, he could make 100% certain she was actually dead before calling 911. For me, his story doesn’t add up at all. Of course if I misheard and it wasn’t her boyfriend she had lunch with prior to the showing then feel free to suggest I pay more attention in the future

    Currently listening to the second part of this story and one thing I don’t understand is why the boyfriend didn’t just give a Lindsey the paperwork when they had a (very late) lunch? I did hear that part correctly didn’t I? She and Jason had lunch at a restaurant called Sauce and left at around 4.20pm with Lindsey stating she was going home to change before the meeting?

    That being the case, how can the paperwork not be important enough to give to her over lunch, but then less than 9p minutes later become so important that he needed to take his friend and drive over to the house showing to give it to her?

    I know literally nothing about the case other than what I have listened to in your podcasts, yet I actually agree with the captain when he said about potentially hiding in plain sight and either putting yourself as far away from something as possible or putting yourself right there instead. Nic, you said the boyfriends story about why he went to the house was plausible...how plausible can it be when he declined to give her the paperwork less than an hour before? I believe you said he left the restaurant and went to pick up Cohen with no mention of him returning to work in between where he could have picked the paperwork up if the offer had come in during his time out of the office?

    Playing devils advocate, maybe he wanted to be there so that when he ‘discovered’ Lindsey’s body, he could make 100% certain she was actually dead before calling 911. For me, his story doesn’t add up at all.

    Of course if I misheard and it wasn’t her boyfriend she had lunch with prior to the showing then feel free to suggest I pay more attention in the future

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    At Nic C - the need to get the paperwork to Lindsay only came up after the late lunch. Jason went to a property he listed - Lindsay has a possible buyer - there offers/counter offers and such going on. Jason received some/info paperwork at the property. Hope that helps - Nic

    At Nic C - the need to get the paperwork to Lindsay only came up after the late lunch. Jason went to a property he listed - Lindsay has a possible buyer - there offers/counter offers and such going on. Jason received some/info paperwork at the property. Hope that helps - Nic

  • Emily

    Emily Parts Unknown

    I have some thoughts on the moving of the car. I believe that Jason was there for the reason he said, to give her some paperwork. 1. Like stated, he wouldn’t want to bother the showing. 2. I’m a housekeeper and often get to jobs early, I will often sit out in my car if the client likes an exact start time or I’m waiting for my coworker to also arrive. I never park in front of my clients home, but down the street. I can see him doing the same. I’m here and they are still busy, I’m not going to be a weirdo, I’ll go down the street for a minute and be idling in the side of the road, and then come back and park when they are gone. As someone who does stuff like that, I don’t see anything weird about it. As for the father and coworkers story about her being nervous, and having Jason there as protection. Communication is complicated, and words can so easily be misinterpreted. I don’t doubt that she might have mentioned to those people that it was weird that these people had contacted her for the showings (though I believe the picking of the house was something that was talked about in one of the subsequent phone calls), and maybe that she was nervous about it. We don’t know exactly when these conversations with the dad and coworker happened, but it possibly happened after she knew Jason was coming over with the paperwork. Dad asks her if she is going to be fine meeting these weird people, and she offhand says something like, “Yeah, it’s no big deal, Jason will be there.” Not elaborating any more about why he is coming, but putting her dad or her coworker at ease. There have been countless times that I’ve not fully explained something simple like that to someone, because the minutiae detail of he is bringing me paperwork isn’t important in the context to me trying to put someone’s mind at ease.

    I have some thoughts on the moving of the car. I believe that Jason was there for the reason he said, to give her some paperwork. 1. Like stated, he wouldn’t want to bother the showing. 2. I’m a housekeeper and often get to jobs early, I will often sit out in my car if the client likes an exact start time or I’m waiting for my coworker to also arrive. I never park in front of my clients home, but down the street. I can see him doing the same. I’m here and they are still busy, I’m not going to be a weirdo, I’ll go down the street for a minute and be idling in the side of the road, and then come back and park when they are gone. As someone who does stuff like that, I don’t see anything weird about it.

    As for the father and coworkers story about her being nervous, and having Jason there as protection. Communication is complicated, and words can so easily be misinterpreted. I don’t doubt that she might have mentioned to those people that it was weird that these people had contacted her for the showings (though I believe the picking of the house was something that was talked about in one of the subsequent phone calls), and maybe that she was nervous about it. We don’t know exactly when these conversations with the dad and coworker happened, but it possibly happened after she knew Jason was coming over with the paperwork. Dad asks her if she is going to be fine meeting these weird people, and she offhand says something like, “Yeah, it’s no big deal, Jason will be there.” Not elaborating any more about why he is coming, but putting her dad or her coworker at ease. There have been countless times that I’ve not fully explained something simple like that to someone, because the minutiae detail of he is bringing me paperwork isn’t important in the context to me trying to put someone’s mind at ease.

  • Hume Man

    Hume Man Iowa

    Yes, contract killers typically stab the victim dozens of times and leave a mess everywhere. Idiots

    Yes, contract killers typically stab the victim dozens of times and leave a mess everywhere. Idiots

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    a knife still makes sense - less traceable!!! Nic

    a knife still makes sense - less traceable!!!
    Nic

  • Janey

    Janey New York

    Hume Man, contract killers use a variety of methods to kill their victims, including stabbing them to death. In Lindsay's case, the killers did not leave any traceable DNA, fingerprints or footprints at the crime scene that could identify them. Eleven years have lapsed and the killers have not been caught. Does that speak amateurish to you? Have you heard about the "Ice Man"? He was a professional contract killer who stabbed some of his victims to death. Don't be too eager to call people idiots until you've educated yourself first on "contract killers" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DAHM75MKfk

    Hume Man, contract killers use a variety of methods to kill their victims, including stabbing them to death. In Lindsay's case, the killers did not leave any traceable DNA, fingerprints or footprints at the crime scene that could identify them. Eleven years have lapsed and the killers have not been caught. Does that speak amateurish to you? Have you heard about the "Ice Man"? He was a professional contract killer who stabbed some of his victims to death. Don't be too eager to call people idiots until you've educated yourself first on "contract killers" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DAHM75MKfk

  • Mel Low

    Mel Low

    God damn Nic, are u related to Jason? Every time the Captain even suggested him you sounded like you got pissed off! Glad that you guys are still planning to keep doing the show as you said to Shannon because man it was very obvious you were getting irritated every time the captain had a comment :(

    God damn Nic, are u related to Jason? Every time the Captain even suggested him you sounded like you got pissed off! Glad that you guys are still planning to keep doing the show as you said to Shannon because man it was very obvious you were getting irritated every time the captain had a comment frown

  • mG

    mG

    Did the Zailo family sponsor this podcast? You bent over backwards trying to clear their name, but not convincingly. You even did the ploy of dismissing ludicrous theories of their culpability. For the record. I know of nobody that seriously thinks the mother and the brother were the couple at the house. You tried to take apart the Casefile podcast, but you failed. Your theory, which is really just the repeated theory of a blogger trying to pitch a book, was no more substantial than Jeff Buziak's webpage. Most of your points were speculative and unsubstantiated. And when you said the Calgary drug operation was run by the Sinaloa cartel and the Beltran Leyva cartel I almost spit my coffee, those are rival cartels. Present your theory, but don't act as if you have the definitive proof, you don't, nor do the cops from the area.

    Did the Zailo family sponsor this podcast? You bent over backwards trying to clear their name, but not convincingly. You even did the ploy of dismissing ludicrous theories of their culpability. For the record. I know of nobody that seriously thinks the mother and the brother were the couple at the house. You tried to take apart the Casefile podcast, but you failed. Your theory, which is really just the repeated theory of a blogger trying to pitch a book, was no more substantial than Jeff Buziak's webpage. Most of your points were speculative and unsubstantiated. And when you said the Calgary drug operation was run by the Sinaloa cartel and the Beltran Leyva cartel I almost spit my coffee, those are rival cartels. Present your theory, but don't act as if you have the definitive proof, you don't, nor do the cops from the area.

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