Lindsay Buziak /// 324 /// 325

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  • Mike

    Mike Houston,Texas

    My family is in real estate and you rarely get a showing to any property unless you have a pre approval letter from your bank. So my question is does this pre approval letter exist?

    My family is in real estate and you rarely get a showing to any property unless you have a pre approval letter from your bank. So my question is does this pre approval letter exist?

  • Sabrina

    Sabrina Tampa, FL

    Ok, please don't be mad at me for saying these things, but: She did not deserve to be killed at all, but its rude to label potential people in your phone as "Mexicans" she does not deserve to be killed I am just wondering if they gave her any kind of names, cause for her to label them "mexicans', it appears they didn't give their names, and who shows a house to someone without giving a name? Yes, it could be fake, but still. Major red flag with no names--still this is not her fault I am not saying that. Just wondering. 2nd: I am not blaming the boyfriend, but if he was going there to get some paperwork and jump on a potential sale (which I agree, in sales you strike asap) then why would he park in the cal de sac and wait? wouldn't he park in the driveway, and go in and say "im here to get some paperwork for a deal" why would he sit in the cal de sac and wait? I have heard this case before on a show, I can't remember what, and I have to listen to part 2 of your show when it is out to see if I think the boyfriend is involved, so this is probably just rumor, or different stories being told, but it doesn't make sense if he would just go in to get the paperwork, and he sits in the cal de sac watching the house. So it must have been that he wanted to make sure she was ok since she was going to meet people in a house, with no names, just "the Mexicans". Or he is involved and is waiting for the coast to be clear to go in and "find" her. Still, people are innocent til proven guilty. I have gone to see many homes, and they get your name and info so they can put in their system, mostly so they can call you as a sales call in the future about buying a house, I am still so confused why there were no names, and yes likely they would have been fake names, but I don't think I'd show a house to people that didn't give me their names. Maybe part 2 will have me feeling different, so can't wait for it.

    Ok, please don't be mad at me for saying these things, but:

    She did not deserve to be killed at all, but its rude to label potential people in your phone as "Mexicans" she does not deserve to be killed I am just wondering if they gave her any kind of names, cause for her to label them "mexicans', it appears they didn't give their names, and who shows a house to someone without giving a name? Yes, it could be fake, but still. Major red flag with no names--still this is not her fault I am not saying that. Just wondering.

    2nd: I am not blaming the boyfriend, but if he was going there to get some paperwork and jump on a potential sale (which I agree, in sales you strike asap) then why would he park in the cal de sac and wait? wouldn't he park in the driveway, and go in and say "im here to get some paperwork for a deal" why would he sit in the cal de sac and wait? I have heard this case before on a show, I can't remember what, and I have to listen to part 2 of your show when it is out to see if I think the boyfriend is involved, so this is probably just rumor, or different stories being told, but it doesn't make sense if he would just go in to get the paperwork, and he sits in the cal de sac watching the house. So it must have been that he wanted to make sure she was ok since she was going to meet people in a house, with no names, just "the Mexicans". Or he is involved and is waiting for the coast to be clear to go in and "find" her. Still, people are innocent til proven guilty.

    I have gone to see many homes, and they get your name and info so they can put in their system, mostly so they can call you as a sales call in the future about buying a house, I am still so confused why there were no names, and yes likely they would have been fake names, but I don't think I'd show a house to people that didn't give me their names.

    Maybe part 2 will have me feeling different, so can't wait for it.

  • Jenni

    Jenni Lexington Ky

    Mike, the people said they were cash buyers.

    Mike, the people said they were cash buyers.

  • Lindsay

    Lindsay Ontario

    Mike, I've never had this experience with real estate in Canada. An agent may vet clients for higher-end properties, but it's discretionary. My agent verbally asked me to confirm a budget without supporting documentation. If a property is on the MLS, an agent can book a showing without providing the potential buyer's information.

    Mike, I've never had this experience with real estate in Canada. An agent may vet clients for higher-end properties, but it's discretionary. My agent verbally asked me to confirm a budget without supporting documentation. If a property is on the MLS, an agent can book a showing without providing the potential buyer's information.

  • Austin

    Austin Illinois

    Hey Mike, I'm currently looking for a house to buy and I've been shown a bunch of houses without getting a pre approval from a bank.

    Hey Mike,
    I'm currently looking for a house to buy and I've been shown a bunch of houses without getting a pre approval from a bank.

  • Trevor

    Trevor UT

    Question. Wouldn’t Jason have known to go straight upstairs if the killers bloody footprints would have led from the body, to the front door where the killers would have put their shoes on? Then the killers bloody footprints stop, and the killers take off out the back door? The cops said they know a man and a woman were their because of the bloody foot prints. Even if the footprints didn’t make it all the way to the front door, wouldn’t it be possible that they were visible enough to be seen when someone walked into the house? The cops said it was a blood bath in the house. I don’t find it hard to believe that the killers left a trail from the body to the door.

    Question. Wouldn’t Jason have known to go straight upstairs if the killers bloody footprints would have led from the body, to the front door where the killers would have put their shoes on? Then the killers bloody footprints stop, and the killers take off out the back door? The cops said they know a man and a woman were their because of the bloody foot prints. Even if the footprints didn’t make it all the way to the front door, wouldn’t it be possible that they were visible enough to be seen when someone walked into the house? The cops said it was a blood bath in the house. I don’t find it hard to believe that the killers left a trail from the body to the door.

  • Michelle T

    Michelle T Durham, NC

    I am still listening to these episodes, but so far this is a fascinating story. I understand Captain's gut feeling about the perps not living together. When my husband and I go out to dinner, he usually dresses faster than I do, and if I come out wearing something like an aquamarine blue when he has a navy shirt on under a black jacket, he'll change his shirt. Not to be cutesy; just not to clash, like a dork. It's okay for him to be a nerd, but not to look like one.

    I am still listening to these episodes, but so far this is a fascinating story. I understand Captain's gut feeling about the perps not living together. When my husband and I go out to dinner, he usually dresses faster than I do, and if I come out wearing something like an aquamarine blue when he has a navy shirt on under a black jacket, he'll change his shirt. Not to be cutesy; just not to clash, like a dork. It's okay for him to be a nerd, but not to look like one.

  • Alvaro

    Alvaro parts unknown

    It was stated in the beginning that the Mexicans named one of Lindsey's colleagues as the connection between themselves and Lindsay. This seems like a promising lead, but it wasn't mentioned again later. I was a little curious if this went anywhere. I like the Captain, but I really don't understand why he kept saying that the boyfriend could still have put himself at the crime scene even if he were guilty of hiring hit-men. I got frustrated too when the Colonel was trying to discuss this with him, because it is self-evident that if someone hired contract killers to get rid of someone, they are definitely not going to put themselves at the scene of the crime less than a minute after the killers and even make themselves the discoverer of the body. No, someone who hires a killer is definitely not going to put themselves at the crime scene, and the only explanation for how that happened is that the boyfriend didn't know Lindsey had been killed and was innocent of any involvement. The drug bust theory seems very likely. It's too bad the police couldn't quite close the loop on that. Maybe they still will.

    It was stated in the beginning that the Mexicans named one of Lindsey's colleagues as the connection between themselves and Lindsay. This seems like a promising lead, but it wasn't mentioned again later. I was a little curious if this went anywhere.

    I like the Captain, but I really don't understand why he kept saying that the boyfriend could still have put himself at the crime scene even if he were guilty of hiring hit-men. I got frustrated too when the Colonel was trying to discuss this with him, because it is self-evident that if someone hired contract killers to get rid of someone, they are definitely not going to put themselves at the scene of the crime less than a minute after the killers and even make themselves the discoverer of the body. No, someone who hires a killer is definitely not going to put themselves at the crime scene, and the only explanation for how that happened is that the boyfriend didn't know Lindsey had been killed and was innocent of any involvement.

    The drug bust theory seems very likely. It's too bad the police couldn't quite close the loop on that. Maybe they still will.

  • Luke

    Luke

    This case is truly strange, upsetting and tragic, I appreciate the guys covering it. I agree that this looks like a professional job unfortunately with very little forensic evidence left. There are some things that stick out to me; - Where was the getaway car? There is no report of a unaccounted car being in the cul-de-sac. The couple were reported to have walked up and greeted her out the front of the house and then all 3 went inside. This leads me to assume they kept the car on one of the surrounding streets. The fact that they greeted her on the street also leads to the thought that they were completely unknown to Lindsay. - The house that that was chosen was on the corner of the street. This gives the suspects 2 clear ways to exit the premises straight onto the side walk, whereas a house in the middle of the street they would have to jump through neighbouring houses. Could the location have been suggested to Lindsay by a colleague? - If you look at the location of the house, it is right in the middle of very residential area. The confidence of these suspects to commit this crime at 5:30pm on a Saturday (granted this is February in Canada) leads you to believe that they are not from the area with no concern of being identified. - The access to a burner phone that was purchased in November and only activated days before the murder also leads to the idea that this was a professional, well thought out job. I'm conflicted with trying to link this murder to the drug bust that happened in January. If you believe that the burner phone was purchased in November with the intention to use it for this crime, then it's months before the drug bust in Calgary and any search for a snitch. However, criminals/drug dealers may aim to accumulate burner phones and then just activate them whenever the need arises. I hope that there is some closure on this case soon. Victoria is a beautiful place to visit if you're every in Canada!

    This case is truly strange, upsetting and tragic, I appreciate the guys covering it. I agree that this looks like a professional job unfortunately with very little forensic evidence left. There are some things that stick out to me;
    - Where was the getaway car? There is no report of a unaccounted car being in the cul-de-sac. The couple were reported to have walked up and greeted her out the front of the house and then all 3 went inside. This leads me to assume they kept the car on one of the surrounding streets. The fact that they greeted her on the street also leads to the thought that they were completely unknown to Lindsay.
    - The house that that was chosen was on the corner of the street. This gives the suspects 2 clear ways to exit the premises straight onto the side walk, whereas a house in the middle of the street they would have to jump through neighbouring houses. Could the location have been suggested to Lindsay by a colleague?
    - If you look at the location of the house, it is right in the middle of very residential area. The confidence of these suspects to commit this crime at 5:30pm on a Saturday (granted this is February in Canada) leads you to believe that they are not from the area with no concern of being identified.
    - The access to a burner phone that was purchased in November and only activated days before the murder also leads to the idea that this was a professional, well thought out job.
    I'm conflicted with trying to link this murder to the drug bust that happened in January. If you believe that the burner phone was purchased in November with the intention to use it for this crime, then it's months before the drug bust in Calgary and any search for a snitch. However, criminals/drug dealers may aim to accumulate burner phones and then just activate them whenever the need arises.
    I hope that there is some closure on this case soon. Victoria is a beautiful place to visit if you're every in Canada!

  • Megan

    Megan

    Excellent music Captain. This week's still stuck in my head.

    Excellent music Captain. This week's still stuck in my head.

  • TCObsessed10

    TCObsessed10

    Though Jason seems like a convenient suspect, the fact that investigators spent two years investigating him, I want to feel confident that they’d have checked his text history, call history, bank accounts, etc. If it was truly a “hit” ordered by him, there’d be some sort of trail unless he’s a Zodiac killer wannabe and spent years planning the perfect murder. I think the theory about Jason’s mother doesn’t hold water, as well as the informant theory. If I were on a jury, there’s reasonable doubt on both of those theories and I’d need more evidence before voting a guilty verdict. Against Jason...why would he need paperwork an hour after dinner with Lindsay, who he lives with, when he’s with a friend, has gone out of his way to get the paperwork and has a hockey game that night. I don’t like that he went right to master bedroom but to play devils advocate, he may have known about the house layout if the house was on the market for a year and he was in the business. Other questions, where would the killers have parked their car if they met Lindsay on foot? Purchasing a burner phone so far in advance has me think this was an ordered hit and not random. But why would a hit be carried out by two people if that’s what Jason said he saw? If the killers left out of a door that’s not the front door, why would Jason try the front door and call 911. Did he try to gain access through all of the doors? I’m surprised by the call to 911 so quickly. Baffling!

    Though Jason seems like a convenient suspect, the fact that investigators spent two years investigating him, I want to feel confident that they’d have checked his text history, call history, bank accounts, etc. If it was truly a “hit” ordered by him, there’d be some sort of trail unless he’s a Zodiac killer wannabe and spent years planning the perfect murder. I think the theory about Jason’s mother doesn’t hold water, as well as the informant theory. If I were on a jury, there’s reasonable doubt on both of those theories and I’d need more evidence before voting a guilty verdict. Against Jason...why would he need paperwork an hour after dinner with Lindsay, who he lives with, when he’s with a friend, has gone out of his way to get the paperwork and has a hockey game that night. I don’t like that he went right to master bedroom but to play devils advocate, he may have known about the house layout if the house was on the market for a year and he was in the business.

    Other questions, where would the killers have parked their car if they met Lindsay on foot?

    Purchasing a burner phone so far in advance has me think this was an ordered hit and not random. But why would a hit be carried out by two people if that’s what Jason said he saw?

    If the killers left out of a door that’s not the front door, why would Jason try the front door and call 911. Did he try to gain access through all of the doors? I’m surprised by the call to 911 so quickly.

    Baffling!

  • Matt

    Matt Virginia

    Is there any evidence to suggest that, once the cartel realized Lindsay was not the snitch, they made efforts to "correct" the problem by eliminating the real snitch. That would lend further credibility to the drug cartel theory. Also, is there a chance that Lindsay was not the snitch, but still knew something and was killed for that reason?

    Is there any evidence to suggest that, once the cartel realized Lindsay was not the snitch, they made efforts to "correct" the problem by eliminating the real snitch. That would lend further credibility to the drug cartel theory. Also, is there a chance that Lindsay was not the snitch, but still knew something and was killed for that reason?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    I have family in real estate as well and went to school for it myself years ago but never went into that line of work. Pre-approval is not a hard and fast rule. Typically only showing homes to someone who is pre-approved comes out of these two scenarios. The agent has been in the business for a while and has been burned by showing homes to unqualified buyers or shows a home and later someone makes the sale. Or the market is crazy busy and the agent wants to make sure they are not missing out on a sale by wasting time with someone who is either not truly in the market or is far away from purchasing. A couple of things to keep in mind... Lindsay was told these buyers were relocating and had a relocating budget. Smart on the killers part as often you have to find the property and submit it for approval from the business paying/supporting the relocation first before it goes anywhere else. This would immediately shut down conversation about preapproval. Likely Lindsay asked if they were pre-approved to which the woman then would say we relocating with assistance from our jobs. The other thing too is sometimes your first showing is really to feel out your potential new clients. You want them them to purchase that property or walk away from it but then knowing that you have become their agent and will assist them going forward. With Lindsay being fairly new to the career she was probably still perfecting her craft. She wanted to be their agent and therefor the first showing was most important. I do agree with all and find it strange that in multiple phone calls no names were given. We cannot say this for sure though either... all we know is, Lindsay never wrote down names or mentioned them to others and simply referred to the buyers as "the Mexicans" I also really believe that Lindsay being targeted was a mix up and that there is no "real" connection between her and the killers and this has made the investigation extremely difficult as LE spent the first 2 years investigating Jason and his family. Nic

    I have family in real estate as well and went to school for it myself years ago but never went into that line of work.
    Pre-approval is not a hard and fast rule. Typically only showing homes to someone who is pre-approved comes out of these two scenarios. The agent has been in the business for a while and has been burned by showing homes to unqualified buyers or shows a home and later someone makes the sale. Or the market is crazy busy and the agent wants to make sure they are not missing out on a sale by wasting time with someone who is either not truly in the market or is far away from purchasing.
    A couple of things to keep in mind... Lindsay was told these buyers were relocating and had a relocating budget. Smart on the killers part as often you have to find the property and submit it for approval from the business paying/supporting the relocation first before it goes anywhere else. This would immediately shut down conversation about preapproval. Likely Lindsay asked if they were pre-approved to which the woman then would say we relocating with assistance from our jobs.
    The other thing too is sometimes your first showing is really to feel out your potential new clients. You want them them to purchase that property or walk away from it but then knowing that you have become their agent and will assist them going forward. With Lindsay being fairly new to the career she was probably still perfecting her craft. She wanted to be their agent and therefor the first showing was most important. I do agree with all and find it strange that in multiple phone calls no names were given. We cannot say this for sure though either... all we know is, Lindsay never wrote down names or mentioned them to others and simply referred to the buyers as "the Mexicans"
    I also really believe that Lindsay being targeted was a mix up and that there is no "real" connection between her and the killers and this has made the investigation extremely difficult as LE spent the first 2 years investigating Jason and his family.
    Nic

  • It’s disheartening to consider the tragic loss of this young woman, especially if the connection to a link in the El Chapo cartel chain is true and Lindsay Buziak was either mistakenly identified as a police informant or was killed in the place of one. The “war on drugs” that has been waged in North America since President Reagan has only produced more drugs, more crime, and more death, and moved all of it into the lives of people who have no involvement in drugs at all. The online bullying and trolling of the young woman’s boyfriend and his family is just as tragic and long-lasting. The more pages and videos and blog comments that mention their names in a negative light, when they have clearly been exonerated, means that they will permanently have an assumption of guilt tied to their names. Sometimes I wonder if someone should turn this activity back on the perpetrators, so that they can live in the offline hell that this irresponsible behavior creates for the victims. Internet search engines only know about volumes of keywords and clicks—not about responsibility and ethics. And such people certainly don’t contribute to the search for Ms. Buziak’s killer. Michelle T.

    It’s disheartening to consider the tragic loss of this young woman, especially if the connection to a link in the El Chapo cartel chain is true and Lindsay Buziak was either mistakenly identified as a police informant or was killed in the place of one. The “war on drugs” that has been waged in North America since President Reagan has only produced more drugs, more crime, and more death, and moved all of it into the lives of people who have no involvement in drugs at all.

    The online bullying and trolling of the young woman’s boyfriend and his family is just as tragic and long-lasting. The more pages and videos and blog comments that mention their names in a negative light, when they have clearly been exonerated, means that they will permanently have an assumption of guilt tied to their names. Sometimes I wonder if someone should turn this activity back on the perpetrators, so that they can live in the offline hell that this irresponsible behavior creates for the victims. Internet search engines only know about volumes of keywords and clicks—not about responsibility and ethics. And such people certainly don’t contribute to the search for Ms. Buziak’s killer.
    Michelle T.

  • Rachel

    Rachel O-H-I-O

    Alvaro- My thoughts exactly about the lead. Only someone who knew Lindsay or had access to her sales files at work (which would only be the broker of the office, not other agents) would know the names of past clients. As far as the Captain's thoughts on Jason and the scene of the crime I would just counter that you are discussing probability and he was talking about possibility. Statistically, there is a greater chance of something being possible (50/50) whereas probability is a much smaller number since it takes into account different variables. So I don't agree with his idea on Jason, but it's not completely insane that he would consider that scenario. And Nic-I took my courses too in two different states (straight A's thank you very much :p) but never went on to pursue it as a career either. Though it's also not off the table. But my ex husband was a real estate broker and a mortgage banker as well as a real estate investor, so I have quite a bit of experience in the US market. What I wanted to point out was that a person who is in the situation these killers described (relocating) would not call the listing agent of a property. They would be looking exclusively for a buyers agent to shop around for them. And most newer agents are just that-buyers agents. Everyone wants to be exclusively a listing agent because it's a lot less time and effort spent for the same payout (more if you are acting in dual agency, not sure about Canadian laws on that, here in OH you can do it) but that only happens later in an agents career unless they are extremely well connected to someone who buys and sells a lot of real estate and offers them all of their sales as listings. To me, their ability to construct such a believable story that takes into account all the nuances that an agent would wonder about, suggests to me that a real estate professional helped them to concoct this story to lure Lindsay. Anyways, I guess I am pointing out that everything about this crime seems so well thought out and planned and I don't actually think Lindsay was a mistaken target. I think she had a "friend" who actually didn't like her very much, wanted her gone, and that friend also had ties to dangerous people. I also think this friend likely worked with her and knew her clients names or at least the address of the house and could pull up the auditor's site to get the owners name. This "friend" suggests that Lindsay be framed as the one who caused the bust and could supply details about Lindsay's life that would make her an easy sell as the "snitch." I think it was a perfect storm at the crossroads of one family or circle of acquaintances that had multiple members with a problem to solve. One's "problem" was Lindsay, and the other's was needing a Patsy. I read that Huff Post dudes blog and it makes a lot of sense.

    Alvaro- My thoughts exactly about the lead. Only someone who knew Lindsay or had access to her sales files at work (which would only be the broker of the office, not other agents) would know the names of past clients. As far as the Captain's thoughts on Jason and the scene of the crime I would just counter that you are discussing probability and he was talking about possibility. Statistically, there is a greater chance of something being possible (50/50) whereas probability is a much smaller number since it takes into account different variables. So I don't agree with his idea on Jason, but it's not completely insane that he would consider that scenario.

    And Nic-I took my courses too in two different states (straight A's thank you very much :p) but never went on to pursue it as a career either. Though it's also not off the table. But my ex husband was a real estate broker and a mortgage banker as well as a real estate investor, so I have quite a bit of experience in the US market. What I wanted to point out was that a person who is in the situation these killers described (relocating) would not call the listing agent of a property. They would be looking exclusively for a buyers agent to shop around for them. And most newer agents are just that-buyers agents. Everyone wants to be exclusively a listing agent because it's a lot less time and effort spent for the same payout (more if you are acting in dual agency, not sure about Canadian laws on that, here in OH you can do it) but that only happens later in an agents career unless they are extremely well connected to someone who buys and sells a lot of real estate and offers them all of their sales as listings. To me, their ability to construct such a believable story that takes into account all the nuances that an agent would wonder about, suggests to me that a real estate professional helped them to concoct this story to lure Lindsay. Anyways, I guess I am pointing out that everything about this crime seems so well thought out and planned and I don't actually think Lindsay was a mistaken target. I think she had a "friend" who actually didn't like her very much, wanted her gone, and that friend also had ties to dangerous people. I also think this friend likely worked with her and knew her clients names or at least the address of the house and could pull up the auditor's site to get the owners name. This "friend" suggests that Lindsay be framed as the one who caused the bust and could supply details about Lindsay's life that would make her an easy sell as the "snitch." I think it was a perfect storm at the crossroads of one family or circle of acquaintances that had multiple members with a problem to solve. One's "problem" was Lindsay, and the other's was needing a Patsy. I read that Huff Post dudes blog and it makes a lot of sense.

  • Shannon

    Shannon California

    The for the last two weeks, it really sounds like you two are fighting and do not like each other. A heavy vibe of it on the episodes. I hope you guys are still enjoying doing the podcasts.

    The for the last two weeks, it really sounds like you two are fighting and do not like each other. A heavy vibe of it on the episodes. I hope you guys are still enjoying doing the podcasts.

  • DJ

    DJ Vancouver

    Thanks for such a thorough review of this case. I have been recommending it to podcasters for years, so great to see you guys take it on! I thought I knew everything there was to know, and yet I heard things for the first time. I appreciate the boyfriend has been “cleared”, but I find some of his actions problematic. Like TCObsessed10 mentioned, I find his call to 911 before he has even entered the home really concerning, especially if we are to believe he was NOT there to ‘protect’ her, rather to complete paperwork. Seems like an over reaction. And, the killers can’t exit from the front door, so exit out back, where there “just happened” to be broken fence boards....hmmmmmm. Great episodes! 👍

    Thanks for such a thorough review of this case. I have been recommending it to podcasters for years, so great to see you guys take it on! I thought I knew everything there was to know, and yet I heard things for the first time.
    I appreciate the boyfriend has been “cleared”, but I find some of his actions problematic. Like TCObsessed10 mentioned, I find his call to 911 before he has even entered the home really concerning, especially if we are to believe he was NOT there to ‘protect’ her, rather to complete paperwork. Seems like an over reaction. And, the killers can’t exit from the front door, so exit out back, where there “just happened” to be broken fence boards....hmmmmmm. Great episodes! 👍

  • Sabrina

    Sabrina Tampa, FL

    I kind of take back my comments on her not getting the names and such, and on the boyfriend, it seems that if this was a professional hit, they would have got to her anyway, if she didnt trust them to show a house, they would have found another way. Its so sad, I feel so bad for her. If she was killed just so the killers could show their upaboves they took care of the problem, it so sad. She didn't deserve this at all, nobody does. I mean even if you are a snitch, nobody deserves to be killed. Great coverage on this, somehow, I hope those pieces of crap get what they deserve, whomever they are.

    I kind of take back my comments on her not getting the names and such, and on the boyfriend, it seems that if this was a professional hit, they would have got to her anyway, if she didnt trust them to show a house, they would have found another way. Its so sad, I feel so bad for her. If she was killed just so the killers could show their upaboves they took care of the problem, it so sad. She didn't deserve this at all, nobody does. I mean even if you are a snitch, nobody deserves to be killed. Great coverage on this, somehow, I hope those pieces of crap get what they deserve, whomever they are.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Always good to hear from you Rachel and you are right they would be looking for a buying agent. - Shannon I would be lying if I said doing over 300 episodes has not taken a toll on the both of us. We still enjoy the show, each other and we both hope to put out a show for a long time. DJ thanks for the support and thank you Sabrina. CHEERS Nic

    Always good to hear from you Rachel and you are right they would be looking for a buying agent.
    - Shannon I would be lying if I said doing over 300 episodes has not taken a toll on the both of us. We still enjoy the show, each other and we both hope to put out a show for a long time.
    DJ thanks for the support and thank you Sabrina.
    CHEERS Nic

  • joe

    joe dirt

    good episode. Sad story. Who woulda thought the cartel was so prevalent so far north. It's also very surprising that no evidence was found or anything. Sounds like the 2 potential suspects who matched the descriptions are probably them. Very surprising they were able to cover there tracks so cleanly. Cartel members usually aren't the smartest...

    good episode. Sad story. Who woulda thought the cartel was so prevalent so far north. It's also very surprising that no evidence was found or anything. Sounds like the 2 potential suspects who matched the descriptions are probably them. Very surprising they were able to cover there tracks so cleanly. Cartel members usually aren't the smartest...

  • Bryn

    Bryn Bloomington, MN

    Trevor - YES! I hadn't thought of that and surprised the guys didn't either. If there are bloody footprints all he would have to do is follow them. Shannon - I agree but I love when they don't agree. I love that they don't feel the need to agree with each other. Also, I am sure many of us listening may agree with one but not the other...so it is nice for them to have different thoughts and view points. But I am glad you got Nic to confirm that they hope to keep putting out the show for a long time. :)

    Trevor - YES! I hadn't thought of that and surprised the guys didn't either. If there are bloody footprints all he would have to do is follow them.
    Shannon - I agree but I love when they don't agree. I love that they don't feel the need to agree with each other. Also, I am sure many of us listening may agree with one but not the other...so it is nice for them to have different thoughts and view points. But I am glad you got Nic to confirm that they hope to keep putting out the show for a long time. smile

  • DJ

    DJ Vancouver

    Also, thanks for recommending Garry Rodgers. I checked out his blog and found it really interesting. I found it very intriguing his comments about Lindsay’s “best friend” who worked at the ReMax office and would have had access to all the info about the house, and she had connections to some shady people. She abruptly quit the day after Lindsay was murdered.

    Also, thanks for recommending Garry Rodgers. I checked out his blog and found it really interesting. I found it very intriguing his comments about Lindsay’s “best friend” who worked at the ReMax office and would have had access to all the info about the house, and she had connections to some shady people. She abruptly quit the day after Lindsay was murdered.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Yes Garry's blog and all of the info he has on the case is amazing. We could have done more episodes on this case but we really try to just do 2 hours on each case. So we thought it was very important to recommend his blog this week rather than a book because there are so many angles to this case. Nic

    Yes Garry's blog and all of the info he has on the case is amazing. We could have done more episodes on this case but we really try to just do 2 hours on each case. So we thought it was very important to recommend his blog this week rather than a book because there are so many angles to this case.
    Nic

  • Eliza

    Eliza Canada

    This is such an interesting case. Nic, you told the story really well and clearly it was diligently -researched. It sounded like the captain had a few too many beers, I had to skip past his incoherent interruptions. You typically tell the story more cooperatively but I Guess we all have our days. Thanks for the great episode and look forward to many more.

    This is such an interesting case. Nic, you told the story really well and clearly it was diligently -researched. It sounded like the captain had a few too many beers, I had to skip past his incoherent interruptions. You typically tell the story more cooperatively but I Guess we all have our days. Thanks for the great episode and look forward to many more.

  • Amanda

    Amanda Maryland

    I understand that anyone close to the victim is going to be a suspect, but man, all of those theories about Jason's family were exhausting. Was definitely rolling my eyes at some of the stretches of logic. His mom makes good money, therefore she must be involved in drugs? Almost any reason they used to suspect Jason's family could easily apply to anyone else in the town and doesn't narrow it down at all. Every detail of the case got twisted into some wacky story to make it fit Jason or his mom. For those of us not involved in the investigation, this case is so confusing! Some say Lindsay was nervous about meeting the clients, others say she wasn't. Some say she got along great with Jason's mom, others say they hated each other. I just have to hope and trust that the investigators are really doing their best with what's available. I appreciate you guys doing your best to summarize such a complicated story!

    I understand that anyone close to the victim is going to be a suspect, but man, all of those theories about Jason's family were exhausting. Was definitely rolling my eyes at some of the stretches of logic. His mom makes good money, therefore she must be involved in drugs? Almost any reason they used to suspect Jason's family could easily apply to anyone else in the town and doesn't narrow it down at all. Every detail of the case got twisted into some wacky story to make it fit Jason or his mom.

    For those of us not involved in the investigation, this case is so confusing! Some say Lindsay was nervous about meeting the clients, others say she wasn't. Some say she got along great with Jason's mom, others say they hated each other. I just have to hope and trust that the investigators are really doing their best with what's available. I appreciate you guys doing your best to summarize such a complicated story!

  • NicC

    NicC UK

    Currently listening to the second part of this story and one thing I don’t understand is why the boyfriend didn’t just give a Lindsey the paperwork when they had a (very late) lunch? I did hear that part correctly didn’t I? She and Jason had lunch at a restaurant called Sauce and left at around 4.20pm with Lindsey stating she was going home to change before the meeting? That being the case, how can the paperwork not be important enough to give to her over lunch, but then less than 9p minutes later become so important that he needed to take his friend and drive over to the house showing to give it to her? I know literally nothing about the case other than what I have listened to in your podcasts, yet I actually agree with the captain when he said about potentially hiding in plain sight and either putting yourself as far away from something as possible or putting yourself right there instead. Nic, you said the boyfriends story about why he went to the house was plausible...how plausible can it be when he declined to give her the paperwork less than an hour before? I believe you said he left the restaurant and went to pick up Cohen with no mention of him returning to work in between where he could have picked the paperwork up if the offer had come in during his time out of the office? Playing devils advocate, maybe he wanted to be there so that when he ‘discovered’ Lindsey’s body, he could make 100% certain she was actually dead before calling 911. For me, his story doesn’t add up at all. Of course if I misheard and it wasn’t her boyfriend she had lunch with prior to the showing then feel free to suggest I pay more attention in the future

    Currently listening to the second part of this story and one thing I don’t understand is why the boyfriend didn’t just give a Lindsey the paperwork when they had a (very late) lunch? I did hear that part correctly didn’t I? She and Jason had lunch at a restaurant called Sauce and left at around 4.20pm with Lindsey stating she was going home to change before the meeting?

    That being the case, how can the paperwork not be important enough to give to her over lunch, but then less than 9p minutes later become so important that he needed to take his friend and drive over to the house showing to give it to her?

    I know literally nothing about the case other than what I have listened to in your podcasts, yet I actually agree with the captain when he said about potentially hiding in plain sight and either putting yourself as far away from something as possible or putting yourself right there instead. Nic, you said the boyfriends story about why he went to the house was plausible...how plausible can it be when he declined to give her the paperwork less than an hour before? I believe you said he left the restaurant and went to pick up Cohen with no mention of him returning to work in between where he could have picked the paperwork up if the offer had come in during his time out of the office?

    Playing devils advocate, maybe he wanted to be there so that when he ‘discovered’ Lindsey’s body, he could make 100% certain she was actually dead before calling 911. For me, his story doesn’t add up at all.

    Of course if I misheard and it wasn’t her boyfriend she had lunch with prior to the showing then feel free to suggest I pay more attention in the future

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    At Nic C - the need to get the paperwork to Lindsay only came up after the late lunch. Jason went to a property he listed - Lindsay has a possible buyer - there offers/counter offers and such going on. Jason received some/info paperwork at the property. Hope that helps - Nic

    At Nic C - the need to get the paperwork to Lindsay only came up after the late lunch. Jason went to a property he listed - Lindsay has a possible buyer - there offers/counter offers and such going on. Jason received some/info paperwork at the property. Hope that helps - Nic

  • Emily

    Emily Parts Unknown

    I have some thoughts on the moving of the car. I believe that Jason was there for the reason he said, to give her some paperwork. 1. Like stated, he wouldn’t want to bother the showing. 2. I’m a housekeeper and often get to jobs early, I will often sit out in my car if the client likes an exact start time or I’m waiting for my coworker to also arrive. I never park in front of my clients home, but down the street. I can see him doing the same. I’m here and they are still busy, I’m not going to be a weirdo, I’ll go down the street for a minute and be idling in the side of the road, and then come back and park when they are gone. As someone who does stuff like that, I don’t see anything weird about it. As for the father and coworkers story about her being nervous, and having Jason there as protection. Communication is complicated, and words can so easily be misinterpreted. I don’t doubt that she might have mentioned to those people that it was weird that these people had contacted her for the showings (though I believe the picking of the house was something that was talked about in one of the subsequent phone calls), and maybe that she was nervous about it. We don’t know exactly when these conversations with the dad and coworker happened, but it possibly happened after she knew Jason was coming over with the paperwork. Dad asks her if she is going to be fine meeting these weird people, and she offhand says something like, “Yeah, it’s no big deal, Jason will be there.” Not elaborating any more about why he is coming, but putting her dad or her coworker at ease. There have been countless times that I’ve not fully explained something simple like that to someone, because the minutiae detail of he is bringing me paperwork isn’t important in the context to me trying to put someone’s mind at ease.

    I have some thoughts on the moving of the car. I believe that Jason was there for the reason he said, to give her some paperwork. 1. Like stated, he wouldn’t want to bother the showing. 2. I’m a housekeeper and often get to jobs early, I will often sit out in my car if the client likes an exact start time or I’m waiting for my coworker to also arrive. I never park in front of my clients home, but down the street. I can see him doing the same. I’m here and they are still busy, I’m not going to be a weirdo, I’ll go down the street for a minute and be idling in the side of the road, and then come back and park when they are gone. As someone who does stuff like that, I don’t see anything weird about it.

    As for the father and coworkers story about her being nervous, and having Jason there as protection. Communication is complicated, and words can so easily be misinterpreted. I don’t doubt that she might have mentioned to those people that it was weird that these people had contacted her for the showings (though I believe the picking of the house was something that was talked about in one of the subsequent phone calls), and maybe that she was nervous about it. We don’t know exactly when these conversations with the dad and coworker happened, but it possibly happened after she knew Jason was coming over with the paperwork. Dad asks her if she is going to be fine meeting these weird people, and she offhand says something like, “Yeah, it’s no big deal, Jason will be there.” Not elaborating any more about why he is coming, but putting her dad or her coworker at ease. There have been countless times that I’ve not fully explained something simple like that to someone, because the minutiae detail of he is bringing me paperwork isn’t important in the context to me trying to put someone’s mind at ease.

  • Hume Man

    Hume Man Iowa

    Yes, contract killers typically stab the victim dozens of times and leave a mess everywhere. Idiots

    Yes, contract killers typically stab the victim dozens of times and leave a mess everywhere. Idiots

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    a knife still makes sense - less traceable!!! Nic

    a knife still makes sense - less traceable!!!
    Nic

  • Janey

    Janey New York

    Hume Man, contract killers use a variety of methods to kill their victims, including stabbing them to death. In Lindsay's case, the killers did not leave any traceable DNA, fingerprints or footprints at the crime scene that could identify them. Eleven years have lapsed and the killers have not been caught. Does that speak amateurish to you? Have you heard about the "Ice Man"? He was a professional contract killer who stabbed some of his victims to death. Don't be too eager to call people idiots until you've educated yourself first on "contract killers" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DAHM75MKfk

    Hume Man, contract killers use a variety of methods to kill their victims, including stabbing them to death. In Lindsay's case, the killers did not leave any traceable DNA, fingerprints or footprints at the crime scene that could identify them. Eleven years have lapsed and the killers have not been caught. Does that speak amateurish to you? Have you heard about the "Ice Man"? He was a professional contract killer who stabbed some of his victims to death. Don't be too eager to call people idiots until you've educated yourself first on "contract killers" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DAHM75MKfk

  • Mel Low

    Mel Low

    God damn Nic, are u related to Jason? Every time the Captain even suggested him you sounded like you got pissed off! Glad that you guys are still planning to keep doing the show as you said to Shannon because man it was very obvious you were getting irritated every time the captain had a comment :(

    God damn Nic, are u related to Jason? Every time the Captain even suggested him you sounded like you got pissed off! Glad that you guys are still planning to keep doing the show as you said to Shannon because man it was very obvious you were getting irritated every time the captain had a comment frown

  • mG

    mG

    Did the Zailo family sponsor this podcast? You bent over backwards trying to clear their name, but not convincingly. You even did the ploy of dismissing ludicrous theories of their culpability. For the record. I know of nobody that seriously thinks the mother and the brother were the couple at the house. You tried to take apart the Casefile podcast, but you failed. Your theory, which is really just the repeated theory of a blogger trying to pitch a book, was no more substantial than Jeff Buziak's webpage. Most of your points were speculative and unsubstantiated. And when you said the Calgary drug operation was run by the Sinaloa cartel and the Beltran Leyva cartel I almost spit my coffee, those are rival cartels. Present your theory, but don't act as if you have the definitive proof, you don't, nor do the cops from the area.

    Did the Zailo family sponsor this podcast? You bent over backwards trying to clear their name, but not convincingly. You even did the ploy of dismissing ludicrous theories of their culpability. For the record. I know of nobody that seriously thinks the mother and the brother were the couple at the house. You tried to take apart the Casefile podcast, but you failed. Your theory, which is really just the repeated theory of a blogger trying to pitch a book, was no more substantial than Jeff Buziak's webpage. Most of your points were speculative and unsubstantiated. And when you said the Calgary drug operation was run by the Sinaloa cartel and the Beltran Leyva cartel I almost spit my coffee, those are rival cartels. Present your theory, but don't act as if you have the definitive proof, you don't, nor do the cops from the area.

  • Linda Smyth

    Linda Smyth Perth

    mG, why do you bend over backwards and try to implicate the Zailo family? Is the cartel paying you to be their spokesperson? Why are you so dismissive of facts some of which have been shared by the investigators who have direct knowledge of Lindsay's case? Nic and Captain appear to be presenting some facts about Lindsay's unsolved murder versus the bunch of bologna the other podcasts have presented thus far. mG, you seem to be upset by this podcast. Do you want justice for Lindsay or do you want to be right? Casefile did a disservice to their own podcast by airing mostly rumor and omitting actual facts about the case. The Calgary bust theory presented in this podcast is the same leading theory the investigators have discussed publicly since 2008. This theory was also shared on Dateline in 2010 and Crime Watch Daily in 2017. It is not a repeated theory of a blogger trying to pitch a book like you say. From my observation, it seems as though you are the one trying to desperately pitch the theory, "the Zailo's did it" which is the exact same theory the Father pitches to his social media audience. Most of the information referencing the Calgary bust is factual and has been substantiated to be true. The same can't be said for all the fabricated nonsense about the Zailo family circulating online. That would include the two confessions that were fabricated. What would the purpose be for someone to knowingly fabricate a confession other than to thwart the investigation and to promote a conspiracy theory? The people who are behind those nefarious plots should be utterly ashamed of themselves! What is wrong with those people? The Beltran-Leyva brothers worked closely with El Chapo for decades. The Brother's separated from the Sinaloa cartel in 2008 and they formed an alliance with the Los Zeta's. The Beltran-Leyva cartel has been weakened since the deaths and capture of all the Beltran-Leyva Brothers.

    mG, why do you bend over backwards and try to implicate the Zailo family? Is the cartel paying you to be their spokesperson? Why are you so dismissive of facts some of which have been shared by the investigators who have direct knowledge of Lindsay's case? Nic and Captain appear to be presenting some facts about Lindsay's unsolved murder versus the bunch of bologna the other podcasts have presented thus far. mG, you seem to be upset by this podcast. Do you want justice for Lindsay or do you want to be right? Casefile did a disservice to their own podcast by airing mostly rumor and omitting actual facts about the case. The Calgary bust theory presented in this podcast is the same leading theory the investigators have discussed publicly since 2008. This theory was also shared on Dateline in 2010 and Crime Watch Daily in 2017. It is not a repeated theory of a blogger trying to pitch a book like you say. From my observation, it seems as though you are the one trying to desperately pitch the theory, "the Zailo's did it" which is the exact same theory the Father pitches to his social media audience. Most of the information referencing the Calgary bust is factual and has been substantiated to be true. The same can't be said for all the fabricated nonsense about the Zailo family circulating online. That would include the two confessions that were fabricated. What would the purpose be for someone to knowingly fabricate a confession other than to thwart the investigation and to promote a conspiracy theory? The people who are behind those nefarious plots should be utterly ashamed of themselves! What is wrong with those people?

    The Beltran-Leyva brothers worked closely with El Chapo for decades. The Brother's separated from the Sinaloa cartel in 2008 and they formed an alliance with the Los Zeta's. The Beltran-Leyva cartel has been weakened since the deaths and capture of all the Beltran-Leyva Brothers.

  • Marvin Gianette

    Marvin Gianette Sooke BC

    You'll need to wear your rubber hip boots to wade through the mud slinging slanderous comments posted on the Lindsay murder blog. That blog is no longer about finding justice for Lindsay, it's about the father taking down an innocent family to save his pride, rather than admit he's made a mistake. The dad chooses to disregard the real evidence. Instead he lies, and hopes that people will follow his lead. If you want to read or hear truths about Lindsay's murder the father's blog is not the place to do it. I don't know who murdered this young woman but I see no real evidence to support that the boyfriend or his family are behind this. True Crime Garage has said that the Zailo's were cleared by the police. That fact can not be disputed. We all want to see justice but not at the expense of innocent people being continually victimized. True Crime Garage just may have it right.

    You'll need to wear your rubber hip boots to wade through the mud slinging slanderous comments posted on the Lindsay murder blog. That blog is no longer about finding justice for Lindsay, it's about the father taking down an innocent family to save his pride, rather than admit he's made a mistake. The dad chooses to disregard the real evidence. Instead he lies, and hopes that people will follow his lead. If you want to read or hear truths about Lindsay's murder the father's blog is not the place to do it. I don't know who murdered this young woman but I see no real evidence to support that the boyfriend or his family are behind this. True Crime Garage has said that the Zailo's were cleared by the police. That fact can not be disputed. We all want to see justice but not at the expense of innocent people being continually victimized. True Crime Garage just may have it right.

  • Noodles

    Noodles South Carolina

    Sometimes another person reading the file, can offer some valuable insights another may have missed. Most of this probably has been analyzed before, however here it goes. Analysis Act of rage: stabbed over forty times, mutilated with throat slit, according to rumors. Normally they align this type of murder with hate, jealously, resentment or just pure rage. The “drug dealer” synopsis theory fits well with the theme of the murder, I believe too perfect and the actual killer(s) are reaping the benefits of this mis-aligned direction. 1. How did the killers get Lindsay’s personal number? Didn’t call the office to inquiry about the property, but called her personally, obviously was part of the set-up. Someone in office or in Real Estate business, knew property was vacant. Who is the question? 2. Have they checked phone records from Real Estate office? To corroborate “drug” conspiracy killing? To corroborate murder for hire? I would assume they have. Hard to believe with modern technology there hasn’t been a connection established through phone records, financials, cell phones or computers to link possible perpetrators. 3. Killers looking at property did not have a car? Were on foot? How did they get there? Someone drop them off? Magically appeared from the back yard, woods? 4. Should have raised suspicion from Lindsay, meeting with someone who wants to purchase a million-dollar house, isn’t driving a car. However, being young and naive with a chance for a sale, probably negated any apprehension. 5. Blood everywhere, footprints? Blood trail outside? 6. Sketch of women looks like a man, was it possible both were men? 7. Stab wounds consistent with one knife? Hard to believe one or both perpetrators did not cut themselves during the savage encounter. Did both participate or one? 8. Hard to grasp, you stab a women forty times, walk out the front door with blood everywhere without any DNA outside or in neighborhood. Once finished with the murder, someone had to pick-them up or car was planted for escape. 9. Story too convenient from boyfriend, why would he text you ok? Like he knew something was wrong. I would have asked; are you almost finished showing the house? Do they like the house? Too many discrepancies from boyfriend. Too many odd coincidences. Having a late lunch, picking up friend, going to business, then driving over to the murder site. Why did he not just go in, instead of texting her? Alibi was too smooth, too rehearsed, too tight and clearly staged. Why did Jason not jump over the fence to enter house? Why have your friend do it? Jason admitted on television they wasn’t any talk of her leaving him, while Father vehemently said the opposite. 10. People will eventually talk, they always do. They get drunk and get loose lips. Brag to someone to impress. Or feel remorse. Or situations and relationships change, people who once felt frightened, now decide to talk. There was a Brown’s Chicken murder in Palatine, Illinois back in 1993 where seven employees were killed and it went cold for nine years before one of the perpetrator’s girlfriend finally broke her silence. 11. The dress the women (man?) was wearing, odd looking dress, how many manufacturers make a dress like that? Manufactured in Vancouver? US? 12. Jason Zailo’s friend, the one who climbed over the fence to open front door at the murder scene, why did he jump over fence? If that was my girlfriend, I’m jumping over that fence. 13. Seems like there has been a confluence of investigative mistakes, inept police work and maybe just plain bad luck in getting any major breaks in the case, I hope this soon changes. 14. I feel Jason is somehow responsible, along with mother possibly, someone in her core of girlfriends? Maybe affair with Jason? Just some random thoughts, watched this on Dateline and was extremely engrossed. I pray the family can get some finality to this case and arrest these fleabags for their heinous crime. Noodles

    Sometimes another person reading the file, can offer some valuable insights another may have missed.
    Most of this probably has been analyzed before, however here it goes.
    Analysis
    Act of rage: stabbed over forty times, mutilated with throat slit, according to rumors.
    Normally they align this type of murder with hate, jealously, resentment or just pure rage.
    The “drug dealer” synopsis theory fits well with the theme of the murder, I believe too perfect and the actual killer(s) are reaping the benefits of this mis-aligned direction.

    1. How did the killers get Lindsay’s personal number? Didn’t call the office to inquiry about the property, but called her personally, obviously was part of the set-up. Someone in office or in Real Estate business, knew property was vacant. Who is the question?
    2. Have they checked phone records from Real Estate office? To corroborate “drug” conspiracy killing? To corroborate murder for hire? I would assume they have. Hard to believe with modern technology there hasn’t been a connection established through phone records, financials, cell phones or computers to link possible perpetrators.
    3. Killers looking at property did not have a car? Were on foot? How did they get there? Someone drop them off? Magically appeared from the back yard, woods?
    4. Should have raised suspicion from Lindsay, meeting with someone who wants to purchase a million-dollar house, isn’t driving a car. However, being young and naive with a chance for a sale, probably negated any apprehension.
    5. Blood everywhere, footprints? Blood trail outside?
    6. Sketch of women looks like a man, was it possible both were men?
    7. Stab wounds consistent with one knife? Hard to believe one or both perpetrators did not cut themselves during the savage encounter. Did both participate or one?
    8. Hard to grasp, you stab a women forty times, walk out the front door with blood everywhere without any DNA outside or in neighborhood. Once finished with the murder, someone had to pick-them up or car was planted for escape.
    9. Story too convenient from boyfriend, why would he text you ok? Like he knew something was wrong. I would have asked; are you almost finished showing the house? Do they like the house? Too many discrepancies from boyfriend. Too many odd coincidences. Having a late lunch, picking up friend, going to business, then driving over to the murder site. Why did he not just go in, instead of texting her? Alibi was too smooth, too rehearsed, too tight and clearly staged. Why did Jason not jump over the fence to enter house? Why have your friend do it? Jason admitted on television they wasn’t any talk of her leaving him, while Father vehemently said the opposite.
    10. People will eventually talk, they always do. They get drunk and get loose lips. Brag to someone to impress. Or feel remorse. Or situations and relationships change, people who once felt frightened, now decide to talk. There was a Brown’s Chicken murder in Palatine, Illinois back in 1993 where seven employees were killed and it went cold for nine years before one of the perpetrator’s girlfriend finally broke her silence.
    11. The dress the women (man?) was wearing, odd looking dress, how many manufacturers make a dress like that? Manufactured in Vancouver? US?
    12. Jason Zailo’s friend, the one who climbed over the fence to open front door at the murder scene, why did he jump over fence? If that was my girlfriend, I’m jumping over that fence.
    13. Seems like there has been a confluence of investigative mistakes, inept police work and maybe just plain bad luck in getting any major breaks in the case, I hope this soon changes.
    14. I feel Jason is somehow responsible, along with mother possibly, someone in her core of girlfriends? Maybe affair with Jason?

    Just some random thoughts, watched this on Dateline and was extremely engrossed. I pray the family can get some finality to this case and arrest these fleabags for their heinous crime.

    Noodles

  • Fact Finder

    Fact Finder Canada

    I think the real issue here is that some people need to use a little common sense in their analysis of Lindsay's unsolved murder rather than put so much trust in what they read on the internet. So many of you dismiss the facts shared publicly by the investigators and only want to focus on the disinformation posted on the internet. To those who continually want to criticize the team of investigators working on Lindsay's case, lack of arrests means a lack of solid evidence to charge the individuals responsible for Lindsay’s murder. That is the stark reality of this case. Lack of arrests is NOT an indicator of poor investigative skills, poor job performance, corruption, the need for fresh eyes, a cover-up, etc. as the Zailo conspiracy theorists want you to believe. Noodles, I would like to suggest that you analyze the "charge assessment guidelines - Basic principals of Canadian criminal law" so you have a better understanding of homicide investigations/charge assessment guidelines and maybe then you will understand why Lindsay's case remains unsolved. The prosecutors are the only ones who can charge anyone with a crime. Maybe the investigators already know who murdered Lindsay but they can't get them because there is not enough solid evidence? What if the police investigation is complete and the Prosector's analysis of Lindsay's file was: "not enough solid evidence" to make a charge assessment decision? That doesn't mean there won't be any charges in the future. Lindsay's case remains active and the investigators continue to follow up on leads as they come in. Maybe they just need that one piece of information from that one person who has first-hand knowledge of Lindsay's murder? Noodles, my suggestion to you would be to do some real fact-checking and eliminate the rumors, gossip and disinformation from your analysis and start all over. Most of what you said in your analysis was debunked years ago. Your analysis sounds eerily similar to other Zailo conspiracy theorists. Here is my analysis of your analysis. The forensic autopsy report was sealed. The extent of the injuries Lindsay suffered has never been made public other than she was stabbed multiple times(consisting of, including, or involving more than one) and she was attacked from behind. Since the investigators have publicly stated that the information regarding Lindsay's injuries(stabbed 40 times, throat slit, mutilated, etc) have been fabricated the CATEGORY of Lindsay's murder cannot be aligned with a (personal, jealousy, hate, resentment or pure rage) type murder like the conspiracy theorists would like people to believe. The Zailo conspiracy theory may fit well with the theme of how the conspiracists want you to believe Lindsay was murdered but the extent of her injuries were all fabricated. They were fabricated to intentionally mislead people into believing the Zailo's hated Lindsay and murdered her in a fit of rage(40 stab wounds, YEAH RIGHT!). The actual killers have been enjoying the fact that all the attention has been on the Zailo's all these years thanks to the shoddy investigative work by the Zailo conspiracists. 1. Someone close to Lindsay provided the suspects with Lindsay's personal cell number. The female suspect called Lindsay and requested to view the Desousa property Feb 2nd at 5:30 pm. Lindsay was surprised by the call because she was not the listing agent. I think Lindsay's reaction was perfectly reasonable given the fact she was not the listing agent. I think we can all agree that Lindsay was lured to that property by the killer(s) and that someone close to Lindsay provided the killer(s) with the details. The person who provided the details did not have to be a realtor. 2. The killer's used a burner phone to communicate with Lindsay. That's one of the reasons this case remains unsolved because the killer's/conspirators covered their electronic tracks. Additionally, phone records alone are not proof of anything. Obviously, the investigators checked necessary phone/computer records and not just with the real estate office. It appears the investigators already have sufficient supporting evidence to corroborate their leading drug connection theory as they have discussed that theory publicly many times. They have never discussed the Zailo conspiracy theory, in fact, they have publicly cleared the entire Zailo family. 3. Investigator's said there was no vehicle in the driveway other than Lindsays. The suspects were probably parked on Torquay. I am sure Jason and his friend were able to tell the police if they saw a vehicle parked on Torquay by the side of the house or not. Seems pretty logical there was a vehicle parked there given details Jason and his friends has shared over the years. 4. Lindsay was standing near the rear of her vehicle when the suspects approached from the direction of Torquay. Lindsay probably saw them drive up and park their vehicle by the side of the house. Lindsay was on the phone with Jason at the time. Investigators confirmed Lindsay was not at all apprehensive about the showing. Investigators have said that Lindsay was texting during the showing and if she was worried or scared she had an opportunity to tell someone during that time. 5. Investigators said they were aware of the movements the killers made inside the house but all DNA was traced back to Lindsay. This is another reason the case remains unsolved. No forensic evidence that ties back to the killers. 6. The composite sketch looks like a Hispanic female. That would fit with the other known facts in that Lindsay told her Father the female suspect spoke Spanish. The investigators also stated that the female suspect spoke with a thick accent. You also have to wonder why Lindsay termed the suspects "the Mexican's". It all fits logically that the female was indeed a Hispanic woman. 7. According to investigators, all DNA was traced back to Lindsay so the killer(s) did not cut themselves. It seems logical to assume the killer(s) took measures to protect their hands by wearing thick gloves. If the killer(s) DNA was deposited at the crime scene this murder would have been solved. The investigators know who is involved. The problem is there is not enough solid evidence to prove it in court and likely the reason no one has been charged. 8. No DNA from the killer(s) found inside the house. The investigators said the killer(s) most likely had Lindsay's blood on them when they left the property. The 40 stab wounds you quote was determined by investigators to have been fabricated by people on the internet. You might want to let go of that story. The suspects probably left in their own vehicle. 9. Jasons actions were thoroughly explained by the investigators who have direct knowledge of the events and they have corroborating evidence. The Zailo conspiracists fabricate false scenarios in an attempt to make their conspiracy theory sound believable. They are dismissive of all facts shared by investigators because those facts blow a large hole in the Zailo conspiracy theory. Ask Dr. Phil. He agrees. 10. This is the one point I agree with you on. Investigators have said they know there are people who have first-hand and personal knowledge of Lindsay's murder. They need those people to come forward so they can resolve this case. 11. The investigators said the dress lead did not pan out for them. It was not a designer high-end name brand dress. It was a dress that could be bought in a department store. 12. Jason's friend was smaller in size. Seems perfectly reasonable he would be the one to hop the fence. Jason did run directly upstairs after his friend unlocked the front door so he did show some urgency there. 13. What evidence do you have that supports your analysis there may have been some investigative mistakes or inept police work? Could you provide some examples? I believe the investigators have had some tough breaks as far as DNA evidence, fingerprints, etc. 14. Do you have anything besides your feeling that points to the involvement of the Mother and Jason? Just curious. Noodles here is a good article for you to read. I hope you find this information helpful. I look forward to your new and improved analysis of Lindsay's unsolved murder. “Saanich police have worked tirelessly with the RCMP and Victoria police in partnerships to achieve success. After 10-years of work, we regret that success has not been achieved to date in our investigation. As with other pre-planned and targeted murders, the perpetrators and/or conspirators have taken steps to avoid apprehension by police,” the statement said. Lindsay’s father, Jeff Buziak, has been highly critical of the police investigation. He has created a website about her slaying. Saanich police say websites, blogs, and social media platforms have provided a forum for a lot of speculation about the homicide and the investigation. “Although not actively participating, the Saanich police are aware of the many falsehoods, accusations and erroneous information posted on the internet. While providing clarification is difficult, the investigators are aware that much of the posted information is either false, misleading, or deliberately fabricated,” the statement said. The Buziak homicide investigation was reviewed by the RCMP Office of Investigational Standards and Practices. Saanich police also participated in strategic advisory groups with other homicide officers from across the province, including members of the Integrated Homicide Investigation Team from the Lower Mainland. All of these steps were undertaken to ensure the highest level of investigational standards were being met, said Saanich police Sgt. Jereme Leslie. “As with all criminal offences in British Columbia, the standard of Crown counsel charge approval must be met. Saanich police are continuing to work towards success in this investigation, and the case remains active and ongoing as we move towards a successful conclusion to this investigation,” said Leslie.

    I think the real issue here is that some people need to use a little common sense in their analysis of Lindsay's unsolved murder rather than put so much trust in what they read on the internet. So many of you dismiss the facts shared publicly by the investigators and only want to focus on the disinformation posted on the internet.

    To those who continually want to criticize the team of investigators working on Lindsay's case, lack of arrests means a lack of solid evidence to charge the individuals responsible for Lindsay’s murder. That is the stark reality of this case. Lack of arrests is NOT an indicator of poor investigative skills, poor job performance, corruption, the need for fresh eyes, a cover-up, etc. as the Zailo conspiracy theorists want you to believe.

    Noodles, I would like to suggest that you analyze the "charge assessment guidelines - Basic principals of Canadian criminal law" so you have a better understanding of homicide investigations/charge assessment guidelines and maybe then you will understand why Lindsay's case remains unsolved. The prosecutors are the only ones who can charge anyone with a crime. Maybe the investigators already know who murdered Lindsay but they can't get them because there is not enough solid evidence? What if the police investigation is complete and the Prosector's analysis of Lindsay's file was: "not enough solid evidence" to make a charge assessment decision? That doesn't mean there won't be any charges in the future. Lindsay's case remains active and the investigators continue to follow up on leads as they come in. Maybe they just need that one piece of information from that one person who has first-hand knowledge of Lindsay's murder? Noodles, my suggestion to you would be to do some real fact-checking and eliminate the rumors, gossip and disinformation from your analysis and start all over. Most of what you said in your analysis was debunked years ago. Your analysis sounds eerily similar to other Zailo conspiracy theorists.

    Here is my analysis of your analysis.

    The forensic autopsy report was sealed. The extent of the injuries Lindsay suffered has never been made public other than she was stabbed multiple times(consisting of, including, or involving more than one) and she was attacked from behind. Since the investigators have publicly stated that the information regarding Lindsay's injuries(stabbed 40 times, throat slit, mutilated, etc) have been fabricated the CATEGORY of Lindsay's murder cannot be aligned with a (personal, jealousy, hate, resentment or pure rage) type murder like the conspiracy theorists would like people to believe. The Zailo conspiracy theory may fit well with the theme of how the conspiracists want you to believe Lindsay was murdered but the extent of her injuries were all fabricated. They were fabricated to intentionally mislead people into believing the Zailo's hated Lindsay and murdered her in a fit of rage(40 stab wounds, YEAH RIGHT!). The actual killers have been enjoying the fact that all the attention has been on the Zailo's all these years thanks to the shoddy investigative work by the Zailo conspiracists.

    1. Someone close to Lindsay provided the suspects with Lindsay's personal cell number. The female suspect called Lindsay and requested to view the Desousa property Feb 2nd at 5:30 pm. Lindsay was surprised by the call because she was not the listing agent. I think Lindsay's reaction was perfectly reasonable given the fact she was not the listing agent. I think we can all agree that Lindsay was lured to that property by the killer(s) and that someone close to Lindsay provided the killer(s) with the details. The person who provided the details did not have to be a realtor.

    2. The killer's used a burner phone to communicate with Lindsay. That's one of the reasons this case remains unsolved because the killer's/conspirators covered their electronic tracks. Additionally, phone records alone are not proof of anything. Obviously, the investigators checked necessary phone/computer records and not just with the real estate office. It appears the investigators already have sufficient supporting evidence to corroborate their leading drug connection theory as they have discussed that theory publicly many times. They have never discussed the Zailo conspiracy theory, in fact, they have publicly cleared the entire Zailo family.

    3. Investigator's said there was no vehicle in the driveway other than Lindsays. The suspects were probably parked on Torquay. I am sure Jason and his friend were able to tell the police if they saw a vehicle parked on Torquay by the side of the house or not. Seems pretty logical there was a vehicle parked there given details Jason and his friends has shared over the years.

    4. Lindsay was standing near the rear of her vehicle when the suspects approached from the direction of Torquay. Lindsay probably saw them drive up and park their vehicle by the side of the house. Lindsay was on the phone with Jason at the time. Investigators confirmed Lindsay was not at all apprehensive about the showing. Investigators have said that Lindsay was texting during the showing and if she was worried or scared she had an opportunity to tell someone during that time.

    5. Investigators said they were aware of the movements the killers made inside the house but all DNA was traced back to Lindsay. This is another reason the case remains unsolved. No forensic evidence that ties back to the killers.

    6. The composite sketch looks like a Hispanic female. That would fit with the other known facts in that Lindsay told her Father the female suspect spoke Spanish. The investigators also stated that the female suspect spoke with a thick accent. You also have to wonder why Lindsay termed the suspects "the Mexican's". It all fits logically that the female was indeed a Hispanic woman.

    7. According to investigators, all DNA was traced back to Lindsay so the killer(s) did not cut themselves. It seems logical to assume the killer(s) took measures to protect their hands by wearing thick gloves. If the killer(s) DNA was deposited at the crime scene this murder would have been solved. The investigators know who is involved. The problem is there is not enough solid evidence to prove it in court and likely the reason no one has been charged.

    8. No DNA from the killer(s) found inside the house. The investigators said the killer(s) most likely had Lindsay's blood on them when they left the property. The 40 stab wounds you quote was determined by investigators to have been fabricated by people on the internet. You might want to let go of that story. The suspects probably left in their own vehicle.

    9. Jasons actions were thoroughly explained by the investigators who have direct knowledge of the events and they have corroborating evidence. The Zailo conspiracists fabricate false scenarios in an attempt to make their conspiracy theory sound believable. They are dismissive of all facts shared by investigators because those facts blow a large hole in the Zailo conspiracy theory. Ask Dr. Phil. He agrees.

    10. This is the one point I agree with you on. Investigators have said they know there are people who have first-hand and personal knowledge of Lindsay's murder. They need those people to come forward so they can resolve this case.

    11. The investigators said the dress lead did not pan out for them. It was not a designer high-end name brand dress. It was a dress that could be bought in a department store.

    12. Jason's friend was smaller in size. Seems perfectly reasonable he would be the one to hop the fence. Jason did run directly upstairs after his friend unlocked the front door so he did show some urgency there.

    13. What evidence do you have that supports your analysis there may have been some investigative mistakes or inept police work? Could you provide some examples? I believe the investigators have had some tough breaks as far as DNA evidence, fingerprints, etc.

    14. Do you have anything besides your feeling that points to the involvement of the Mother and Jason? Just curious.

    Noodles here is a good article for you to read. I hope you find this information helpful. I look forward to your new and improved analysis of Lindsay's unsolved murder.

    “Saanich police have worked tirelessly with the RCMP and Victoria police in partnerships to achieve success. After 10-years of work, we regret that success has not been achieved to date in our investigation. As with other pre-planned and targeted murders, the perpetrators and/or conspirators have taken steps to avoid apprehension by police,” the statement said.

    Lindsay’s father, Jeff Buziak, has been highly critical of the police investigation. He has created a website about her slaying.

    Saanich police say websites, blogs, and social media platforms have provided a forum for a lot of speculation about the homicide and the investigation.

    “Although not actively participating, the Saanich police are aware of the many falsehoods, accusations and erroneous information posted on the internet. While providing clarification is difficult, the investigators are aware that much of the posted information is either false, misleading, or deliberately fabricated,” the statement said.

    The Buziak homicide investigation was reviewed by the RCMP Office of Investigational Standards and Practices. Saanich police also participated in strategic advisory groups with other homicide officers from across the province, including members of the Integrated Homicide Investigation Team from the Lower Mainland.

    All of these steps were undertaken to ensure the highest level of investigational standards were being met, said Saanich police Sgt. Jereme Leslie.

    “As with all criminal offences in British Columbia, the standard of Crown counsel charge approval must be met. Saanich police are continuing to work towards success in this investigation, and the case remains active and ongoing as we move towards a successful conclusion to this investigation,” said Leslie.

  • Helen

    Helen Victoria

    It appears this guy Garry is paying you guys to promote his book. Your information is incorrect and much is missing in many places. I had more resale than for the two of you but I see it is about the money.

    It appears this guy Garry is paying you guys to promote his book. Your information is incorrect and much is missing in many places. I had more resale than for the two of you but I see it is about the money.

  • DJ

    DJ Vancouver

    Noodles raises some good questions. Now I’m more confused than ever. Hopefully someone has the courage to talk.

    Noodles raises some good questions. Now I’m more confused than ever. Hopefully someone has the courage to talk.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    @ Helen - we spoke with Garry as a part of our research for this case. We presented his theory and others on the show. It sounds like the investigators on the case may think his theory has more truth to it than the others. We were not paid by anyone regarding this case. We promoted his website and his future book (not even out yet) as a thank you to him for his time and assistance with our research. Cheers Nic

    @ Helen - we spoke with Garry as a part of our research for this case. We presented his theory and others on the show. It sounds like the investigators on the case may think his theory has more truth to it than the others.
    We were not paid by anyone regarding this case. We promoted his website and his future book (not even out yet) as a thank you to him for his time and assistance with our research.
    Cheers Nic

  • Bob Jersac

    Bob Jersac Sidney, BC

    Helen what makes you believe Nic and Captain's information is incorrect? Who is paying you to make false allegations about Nic and Captain? You sound like a Jeff Buziak groupie.

    Helen what makes you believe Nic and Captain's information is incorrect? Who is paying you to make false allegations about Nic and Captain? You sound like a Jeff Buziak groupie.

  • Jenelle Jones

    Jenelle Jones Kelowna

    Great podcast guys! I have read both analyses and it appears fact-finders are more in alignment with the information the police have released thus far. Noodle appears to have gathered the information off the internet. As the police said, most of that information is false or deliberately fabricated. For certain the nature of Lindsay's wounds was fabricated. I pray the family can get some finality to this case and those who are responsible are charged.

    Great podcast guys!

    I have read both analyses and it appears fact-finders are more in alignment with the information the police have released thus far. Noodle appears to have gathered the information off the internet. As the police said, most of that information is false or deliberately fabricated. For certain the nature of Lindsay's wounds was fabricated.

    I pray the family can get some finality to this case and those who are responsible are charged.

  • Luna Millard

    Luna Millard Saanich

    It appears Helen is here to try and discredit the information put forth by Nic and Captain now. It's the same MO as the others. There is a large group of loyal Jeff Buziak fans who travel the internet and take aggressive action against those who do not agree in their belief or do not follow their orders. They have gone after Gary Rodger's, Dr. Phil, the SP, the RCMP, the AG, and random bloggers and podcasts. The hatred they display toward others is frightening.

    It appears Helen is here to try and discredit the information put forth by Nic and Captain now. It's the same MO as the others. There is a large group of loyal Jeff Buziak fans who travel the internet and take aggressive action against those who do not agree in their belief or do not follow their orders. They have gone after Gary Rodger's, Dr. Phil, the SP, the RCMP, the AG, and random bloggers and podcasts. The hatred they display toward others is frightening.

  • Donald

    Donald NJ

    Could you kindly point out the incorrect information Helen? Many of you make the same claims yet when pressed to provide evidence the information is incorrect you fail to deliver.

    Could you kindly point out the incorrect information Helen? Many of you make the same claims yet when pressed to provide evidence the information is incorrect you fail to deliver.

  • Nicholas

    Nicholas Missouri

    I like many of Noodles' points. I don't have an axe to grind here (I used to say I didn't have a dog in the fight until Michael Vick came along), but I can readily see why so much attention has been paid to the boyfriend. The professional hit angle seems a very low probability explanation to me, and if victim sustained multiple stab woulds, there would appear to be personal animosity involved as opposed to what one would expect would be an execution-style killing conducted as efficiently as possible. The boyfriend possessed three important attributes, all three of which are difficult to identify in others without theorizing some rather unlikely connections: he has the requisite knowledge base regarding Lindsey to allow him to plan and commit the crime, he certainly has ample opportunity to be involved in the crime, and he has the highest likelihood of having some form of personal motive. There is also simple a lot of happenstance that's simply hard to explain away. The boyfriend just happens to be the major living source of information about the "mystery buyers" as well as also just happening to be the main witness placing the "mystery buyers" and suspected killers at the house. He just happens to wait in his car long enough for murder to occur as opposed to simply walking up to the door to get his documents signed. His involvement is the most straightforward explanation for why these "mystery buyers" were oddly and somewhat inappropriately contacting the realty neophyte Lindsey rather than the actual listing agent, and would explain how they had her personal information to do so. He just happens to be the person who finds the body, and does so in the upstairs almost immediately without apparently needing to search the ground floor. As someone who would obviously fall under suspicion, he just happens to come to the table with a well-constructed alibi. I'm as skeptical of the mother-son-conspiracy theory as I am of the international-drug-cartel-mistaken-identity theory, as both seem to me to be farfetched. But with what little I know about this case, a focus on the boyfriend would not have been a waste of LE's time, even if the crime was ultimately committed with enough skill by whomever to allow it remain unsolved.

    I like many of Noodles' points. I don't have an axe to grind here (I used to say I didn't have a dog in the fight until Michael Vick came along), but I can readily see why so much attention has been paid to the boyfriend. The professional hit angle seems a very low probability explanation to me, and if victim sustained multiple stab woulds, there would appear to be personal animosity involved as opposed to what one would expect would be an execution-style killing conducted as efficiently as possible. The boyfriend possessed three important attributes, all three of which are difficult to identify in others without theorizing some rather unlikely connections: he has the requisite knowledge base regarding Lindsey to allow him to plan and commit the crime, he certainly has ample opportunity to be involved in the crime, and he has the highest likelihood of having some form of personal motive. There is also simple a lot of happenstance that's simply hard to explain away. The boyfriend just happens to be the major living source of information about the "mystery buyers" as well as also just happening to be the main witness placing the "mystery buyers" and suspected killers at the house. He just happens to wait in his car long enough for murder to occur as opposed to simply walking up to the door to get his documents signed. His involvement is the most straightforward explanation for why these "mystery buyers" were oddly and somewhat inappropriately contacting the realty neophyte Lindsey rather than the actual listing agent, and would explain how they had her personal information to do so. He just happens to be the person who finds the body, and does so in the upstairs almost immediately without apparently needing to search the ground floor. As someone who would obviously fall under suspicion, he just happens to come to the table with a well-constructed alibi. I'm as skeptical of the mother-son-conspiracy theory as I am of the international-drug-cartel-mistaken-identity theory, as both seem to me to be farfetched. But with what little I know about this case, a focus on the boyfriend would not have been a waste of LE's time, even if the crime was ultimately committed with enough skill by whomever to allow it remain unsolved.

  • Saanich Resident

    Saanich Resident BC

    I feel quite confident the investigators know what really happened to Lindsay and it appears as though their leading theory is the drug angle. Their expertise is all that counts regardless of how many amateur sleuths want to argue with them about it. The hit angle is a high probability based on facts. Lindsay's murder was personal in that Lindsay was murdered because someone thought she was a snitch and killed her for it. The investigators have stated more than once that Lindsay did not know her killers personally. Someone close to Lindsay helped facilitate the murder. There is no form of evidence indicating the boyfriend was involved other than BS. The most recent BS story is that the boyfriend's brother confessed to murdering Lindsay. Two years ago there was another false confession posted on the internet by the same parties. Unfortunately, there will always be people who are willing to lie to try and nurture their ill-considered theories. The boyfriend was cleared based on numerous investigative techniques regardless of your psychobabble about important attributes you claim Jason possessed. You can't implicate someone in a murder just because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time. All the coincidences have all been explained away but people like you seem to be preoccupied with everything that the investigators said didn't happen. Lindsay was already dead before Jason and his buddy arrived on the scene. Therefore, your BS that Jason waited in his car long enough for her to be murdered is just more internet BS. The rest of what you claim happened also did not happen according to the investigators. They know what happened, you do not.

    I feel quite confident the investigators know what really happened to Lindsay and it appears as though their leading theory is the drug angle. Their expertise is all that counts regardless of how many amateur sleuths want to argue with them about it. The hit angle is a high probability based on facts. Lindsay's murder was personal in that Lindsay was murdered because someone thought she was a snitch and killed her for it. The investigators have stated more than once that Lindsay did not know her killers personally. Someone close to Lindsay helped facilitate the murder.

    There is no form of evidence indicating the boyfriend was involved other than BS. The most recent BS story is that the boyfriend's brother confessed to murdering Lindsay. Two years ago there was another false confession posted on the internet by the same parties. Unfortunately, there will always be people who are willing to lie to try and nurture their ill-considered theories.

    The boyfriend was cleared based on numerous investigative techniques regardless of your psychobabble about important attributes you claim Jason possessed. You can't implicate someone in a murder just because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time. All the coincidences have all been explained away but people like you seem to be preoccupied with everything that the investigators said didn't happen. Lindsay was already dead before Jason and his buddy arrived on the scene. Therefore, your BS that Jason waited in his car long enough for her to be murdered is just more internet BS. The rest of what you claim happened also did not happen according to the investigators. They know what happened, you do not.

  • Sylvia B

    Sylvia B Manitoba

    Someone help me out here. I've read on a few different sites that there were 2 confessions to the murder made on the LB murder blog. Both confessions turned out to be false. Why in the world would Mr. Buziak ever allow these confessions on his blog to begin with. Why not turn the confessions over to the police and let them investigate. I see no advantage to him going public with the confession posts unless he himself made the false confessions and was looking to stir up trouble. If this is what happened then this man's credibility is quashed. It's a terribly sad thing that his daughter was murdered, but it's also sad that's he had to sink so low as to incriminate people who had nothing to do with her murder. If I am wrong I apologize but everything points to Mr. Buziak being behind this.

    Someone help me out here. I've read on a few different sites that there were 2 confessions to the murder made on the LB murder blog. Both confessions turned out to be false. Why in the world would Mr. Buziak ever allow these confessions on his blog to begin with. Why not turn the confessions over to the police and let them investigate. I see no advantage to him going public with the confession posts unless he himself made the false confessions and was looking to stir up trouble. If this is what happened then this man's credibility is quashed. It's a terribly sad thing that his daughter was murdered, but it's also sad that's he had to sink so low as to incriminate people who had nothing to do with her murder. If I am wrong I apologize but everything points to Mr. Buziak being behind this.

  • mG

    mG .

    You guys are right. I'm an idiot. I was just here trying to mess with you all. I'm sorry.

    You guys are right. I'm an idiot. I was just here trying to mess with you all. I'm sorry.

  • Valerie

    Valerie Vancouver

    I didn’t read all of the comments closely, but I recall it being mentioned in the show that the burner phone was traced to being on the ferry to Victoria. I wonder if the investigators ever looked at the travel log for the BC Ferries sailings that day to see if any names of interest popped up.

    I didn’t read all of the comments closely, but I recall it being mentioned in the show that the burner phone was traced to being on the ferry to Victoria. I wonder if the investigators ever looked at the travel log for the BC Ferries sailings that day to see if any names of interest popped up.

  • Government Employee

    Government Employee Victoria, BC

    Fact-finder, you are correct in your assumption that the SP and the RCMP solved Lindsay's murder case quite a number of years ago. They are aware of who is responsible for murdering Lindsay and why it happened. Crown Counsel under the direction of the ADAG did review Lindsay's file multiple times over the years. Crown Counsel does not base charge approval on what a “reasonable person” can conclude but on the substantial likelihood of conviction. At this point, one can assume Lindsay Buziak's file does not currently meet this standard. Evidently, Crown Counsel is not satisfied there is a strong, solid case of substance to present to the court. We know in Lindsay's case there was no forensic evidence that would lead directly to the killer(s). The SP has been very clear with the public regarding the state of Lindsay's file. The perps responsible for Lindsay's murder will not be brought to justice until someone who has personal knowledge of the crime comes forward or someone confesses to being involved in the crime. The SP cannot direct Crown Counsel to lay charges. There is not much more the investigators can do other than investigate future tips.

    Fact-finder, you are correct in your assumption that the SP and the RCMP solved Lindsay's murder case quite a number of years ago. They are aware of who is responsible for murdering Lindsay and why it happened. Crown Counsel under the direction of the ADAG did review Lindsay's file multiple times over the years. Crown Counsel does not base charge approval on what a “reasonable person” can conclude but on the substantial likelihood of conviction. At this point, one can assume Lindsay Buziak's file does not currently meet this standard. Evidently, Crown Counsel is not satisfied there is a strong, solid case of substance to present to the court. We know in Lindsay's case there was no forensic evidence that would lead directly to the killer(s).

    The SP has been very clear with the public regarding the state of Lindsay's file. The perps responsible for Lindsay's murder will not be brought to justice until someone who has personal knowledge of the crime comes forward or someone confesses to being involved in the crime. The SP cannot direct Crown Counsel to lay charges. There is not much more the investigators can do other than investigate future tips.

  • Benito

    Benito Jacobs

    Lindsay's father does not deserve to be put on a pedestal and admired. He's just as bad as the people who conspired to murder his daughter. It's just pure luck that innocent people haven't died because of his naming and blaming on his website. It just takes one crazy person who thinks they are helping to go after someone perfectly innocent. Then what? This man is no hero, he is an angry vindictive nut with an axe to grind. So far he has done nothing constructive to help solve this case. If someone gets killed or hurt it will be on him.

    Lindsay's father does not deserve to be put on a pedestal and admired. He's just as bad as the people who conspired to murder his daughter. It's just pure luck that innocent people haven't died because of his naming and blaming on his website. It just takes one crazy person who thinks they are helping to go after someone perfectly innocent. Then what? This man is no hero, he is an angry vindictive nut with an axe to grind. So far he has done nothing constructive to help solve this case. If someone gets killed or hurt it will be on him.

  • Kathy

    Kathy

    I don't believe anyone has put Lindsey's father on a pedestal. He has a few minions tugging on his pant leg with their tongues hanging out but that's about it. They are merely a bunch of minions with a silly high school crush vying for his attention. Of course, he is a hero in their eyes.

    I don't believe anyone has put Lindsey's father on a pedestal. He has a few minions tugging on his pant leg with their tongues hanging out but that's about it. They are merely a bunch of minions with a silly high school crush vying for his attention. Of course, he is a hero in their eyes.

  • Amy

    Amy KC MO

    Had to go back and re-listen to this one. while the drug theory makes more sense, i just cant get over HOW she was killed. who is going to stab someone that many times if they dont have some kind of feelings behind it? i get to "send a message" but i just doubt someone would kill her in that way if they dont even know her.

    Had to go back and re-listen to this one. while the drug theory makes more sense, i just cant get over HOW she was killed. who is going to stab someone that many times if they dont have some kind of feelings behind it? i get to "send a message" but i just doubt someone would kill her in that way if they dont even know her.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Amy - I agree and this is just one more of all of the troubling and puzzling details of this case. I will say this though - if the killers went to all of the trouble to kill her - the attack may have been so brutal because they wanted to make sure that there was no surviving the attack. Nic

    Amy - I agree and this is just one more of all of the troubling and puzzling details of this case.
    I will say this though - if the killers went to all of the trouble to kill her - the attack may have been so brutal because they wanted to make sure that there was no surviving the attack.
    Nic

  • Fact Finder

    Fact Finder

    According to information provided by the real investigators, they said Lindsay was "stabbed multiple times". The investigators did not say Lindsay was stabbed, 30, 40, or 50 times. Many of you have been misled regarding Lindsay's injuries and are of the opinion Lindsay must have known her killer based on false information she was stabbed over 40 times. Investigators have never released information to the public regarding the extent of Lindsay's injuries so how is that certain individuals can claim to know the extent of her injuries? In short, they don't know. The information was fabricated. Additionally, the investigators said Lindsay did not know her killers and they have the evidence to support their conclusion. Here is some info from the real investigators: “The VAST majority of the information put out in the public domain is simply not true.” “When they went upstairs, there’s a master bedroom and an en-suite bathroom,” said Sgt. Horsley. “We know that when Lindsay turned to show the en-suite bathroom she was then attacked from the rear. There’s no defensive wounds whatsoever. We don’t believe she had any pre-indication that something was amiss.” “Some of the things that people take as the gospel are certainly incorrect. You know the poor victim there, injuries to the victim were never disclosed, autopsy report never been disclosed, although we have admitted this was a horrific attack we have never indicated any type of injury or nature of injuries. “There are many aspects of this file, such as the extent of the injuries Lindsay suffered, that must be protected in order to preserve the integrity of the investigation, and prevent any negative impact in its course.” ‘At the same time, investigators confirmed that Ms. Buziak died from multiple stab wounds, according to a forensic autopsy conducted Tuesday. But in order to protect the ongoing investigation, they wouldn’t reveal the extent of her injuries, other than to say there was no evidence she was sexually assaulted.’ Mr. Gary Rodgers is writing a book about Lindsay's unsolved murder and I've included a snippet of what he had to say about false reports surrounding the extent of Lindsay's wounds. "Descriptions of 40 or more stab wounds on Lindsay with throat cutting and near-decapitation like Jeff Buziak publicly postulates in shows like Dr. Phil, Discovery ID, and internet podcasts are wrong. This is more concocted bullshit. I don’t know how Mr. Buziak sources information but I have it on solid authority that Lindsay was incised “more than 10 but less than 15 times”. Lindsay’s throat was not slit, as Jeff Buziak has repeatedly said, and she was not “nearly decapitated”. Further, Lindsay’s breasts were not mutilated as her father alludes to. Pathologically, Lindsay Buziak’s wounds were consistent with her murderer making sure Lindsay was dead but exuding no more effort than necessary to make sure death occurred."

    According to information provided by the real investigators, they said Lindsay was "stabbed multiple times". The investigators did not say Lindsay was stabbed, 30, 40, or 50 times. Many of you have been misled regarding Lindsay's injuries and are of the opinion Lindsay must have known her killer based on false information she was stabbed over 40 times.

    Investigators have never released information to the public regarding the extent of Lindsay's injuries so how is that certain individuals can claim to know the extent of her injuries? In short, they don't know. The information was fabricated. Additionally, the investigators said Lindsay did not know her killers and they have the evidence to support their conclusion.

    Here is some info from the real investigators:

    “The VAST majority of the information put out in the public domain is simply not true.”

    “When they went upstairs, there’s a master bedroom and an en-suite bathroom,” said Sgt. Horsley. “We know that when Lindsay turned to show the en-suite bathroom she was then attacked from the rear. There’s no defensive wounds whatsoever. We don’t believe she had any pre-indication that something was amiss.”

    “Some of the things that people take as the gospel are certainly incorrect. You know the poor victim there, injuries to the victim were never disclosed, autopsy report never been disclosed, although we have admitted this was a horrific attack we have never indicated any type of injury or nature of injuries.

    “There are many aspects of this file, such as the extent of the injuries Lindsay suffered, that must be protected in order to preserve the integrity of the investigation, and prevent any negative impact in its course.”

    ‘At the same time, investigators confirmed that Ms. Buziak died from multiple stab wounds, according to a forensic autopsy conducted Tuesday. But in order to protect the ongoing investigation, they wouldn’t reveal the extent of her injuries, other than to say there was no evidence she was sexually assaulted.’

    Mr. Gary Rodgers is writing a book about Lindsay's unsolved murder and I've included a snippet of what he had to say about false reports surrounding the extent of Lindsay's wounds.

    "Descriptions of 40 or more stab wounds on Lindsay with throat cutting and near-decapitation like Jeff Buziak publicly postulates in shows like Dr. Phil, Discovery ID, and internet podcasts are wrong. This is more concocted bullshit. I don’t know how Mr. Buziak sources information but I have it on solid authority that Lindsay was incised “more than 10 but less than 15 times”. Lindsay’s throat was not slit, as Jeff Buziak has repeatedly said, and she was not “nearly decapitated”. Further, Lindsay’s breasts were not mutilated as her father alludes to. Pathologically, Lindsay Buziak’s wounds were consistent with her murderer making sure Lindsay was dead but exuding no more effort than necessary to make sure death occurred."

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    @ Fact Finder thank you for contributing to the blog. What you have stated was covered on our two episodes regarding this case. I'm guessing you did not listen. We cleaned a lot of the bad information up during our two episodes. We spoke with Gary Rogers in preparation for these shows and recommended that our listeners check out his blog. Cheers Nic

    @ Fact Finder thank you for contributing to the blog. What you have stated was covered on our two episodes regarding this case. I'm guessing you did not listen. We cleaned a lot of the bad information up during our two episodes. We spoke with Gary Rogers in preparation for these shows and recommended that our listeners check out his blog.
    Cheers Nic

  • Fact Finder

    Fact Finder

    I was not referring to the material in your podcast. I was referring to some of the listeners' comments who continue to claim Lindsay was stabbed "40 times" or "so many times" that she must have known her killers. They either did not listen to your podcast or they are just ignoring the facts you presented. I listened to both episodes and you did a good job presenting the facts of the case.

    I was not referring to the material in your podcast. I was referring to some of the listeners' comments who continue to claim Lindsay was stabbed "40 times" or "so many times" that she must have known her killers. They either did not listen to your podcast or they are just ignoring the facts you presented. I listened to both episodes and you did a good job presenting the facts of the case.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thank you FF - Cheers Nic

    Thank you FF - Cheers Nic

  • Jeremy Marcotte

    Jeremy Marcotte

    I can make no sense as to why there is so much misleading information posted on the father's website, and I question why he would even allow this to happen. Does he not screen the posts before they hit his blog? If he really wants to know who is behind is daughter's murder, wouldn't it be in his best interest to only allow information to be posted that he knows to be accurate, or at least helpul in some way. I think the attacks on law enforcement, government entities and private individuals really discredits the site. That blog has become such a messy muddle it makes for a difficult read and clearly it has derailed off the tracks of finding justice for Lindsay Buziak.

    I can make no sense as to why there is so much misleading information posted on the father's website, and I question why he would even allow this to happen. Does he not screen the posts before they hit his blog? If he really wants to know who is behind is daughter's murder, wouldn't it be in his best interest to only allow information to be posted that he knows to be accurate, or at least helpul in some way. I think the attacks on law enforcement, government entities and private individuals really discredits the site. That blog has become such a messy muddle it makes for a difficult read and clearly it has derailed off the tracks of finding justice for Lindsay Buziak.

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