Mary Pinchot Meyer - Part 2 ////// 63  

Mary Pinchot Meyer - Part 2 ////// 63  

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October 12, 1964 Mary Pinchot Meyer went out for her usual midday stroll to get some fresh air and maybe a little inspiration. While out walking near the C & O canal Mary was attacked. She was shot twice, died practically instantly and left for someone to find. Police make an arrest and the trial is set. But do they have the right guy? Or was Mary killed by some shadowy agency because of an affair with the late President Kennedy? This week in the garage we continue to look at the unsolved murder of Mary Pinchot Meyer. Was Mary's murder a hit and cover-up put together by an organized group like the C.I.A. or was it a random act of violence committed by a loner? Hmmm, that's funny. Isn't that the same question we ask ourselves about John Kennedy's murder?  

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7 comments

  • James Baker

    James Baker Detroit, MI

    Hey guys, LOVE THIS PODCAST!!! Finishing up the two-parter on Mary Pinchot Meyer, and has anyone every suggested Lt. Mitchell as a suspect? If you think about it: 1) He's a military many (not sure how far up he is connected), and (expanding a little bit) if he was connected pretty far up the chain this could be the source as to why the investigation was put to bed basically. It isn't that farfetched to just "persuade" the police captain to shut down the investigation and maintain persistent that Ray Crump Jr. was the killer, the prosecution effed up the case, and the 8 black jurors let a murderer walk free... I mean not too many people would even bat an eye at the police captain's justifications for shutting down the investigation; 2) He jogged down there almost daily at the same time in which Mary would take her daily walk; 3) He goes to the police the DAY AFTER the murder to tell the police the SAME DISCRIPTION, but other witnesses never came forward. Mitchell could have easily heard that description through the grape vine, or using his military status to gain that information and discover they already have a man in custody. What better way to secure your freedom than being a Lieutenant coming forward and becoming the key eye witness in a black man's trial for the murder of the woman that the Lieutenant actually killed... Again, IN THE 60'S!!!!!; 4) he vaguely stated in his own testimony that the man who he believed murdered Mary was "about my size" multiple times; 5) I'm sure he owned at least one gun, being a Lieutenant, and sure as hell is skilled with a gun based on his military background; 6) He could easily overpower Mary with his military training; 7) (Going farther down the rabbit hole) there is documentation that some murders like to revisit the crime scene and even catapult themselves into the investigation to "re-live" the crime, and what better way to do that then actually testifying at the trial of the person who is accused of it!!! I don't know, maybe this is just me thinking way too far outside of the box, but it seems plausible. I mean, IF he did it, AND he was the type to revisit the crime scene, what better way to get in the middle of it than sitting on the stand and saying MULTIPLE times to the defense attorney that the killer was "ABOUT HIS SIZE," basically telling everyone in the court room that the killer is on the stand and nobody has a damn clue!!!!!!! Thank you for providing this podcast to all of US and thank you for reading my short essay on what I couldn't stop thinking about after listening to these episodes!! ...... AND now I am finishing the episode and realized you guys kind of brought this up haha. Oh well, still sending this hoping you will read it! I am sure other people have thought of this, but I found it interesting. 8) He lied about his employment at the trial about being a Mathematics Professor at Georgetown when he never was employed there!!! WTF!!! Thanks again for everything! I like your jib! James Baker

    Hey guys, LOVE THIS PODCAST!!! Finishing up the two-parter on Mary Pinchot Meyer, and has anyone every suggested Lt. Mitchell as a suspect? If you think about it:

    1) He's a military many (not sure how far up he is connected), and (expanding a little bit) if he was connected pretty far up the chain this could be the source as to why the investigation was put to bed basically. It isn't that farfetched to just "persuade" the police captain to shut down the investigation and maintain persistent that Ray Crump Jr. was the killer, the prosecution effed up the case, and the 8 black jurors let a murderer walk free... I mean not too many people would even bat an eye at the police captain's justifications for shutting down the investigation;

    2) He jogged down there almost daily at the same time in which Mary would take her daily walk;

    3) He goes to the police the DAY AFTER the murder to tell the police the SAME DISCRIPTION, but other witnesses never came forward. Mitchell could have easily heard that description through the grape vine, or using his military status to gain that information and discover they already have a man in custody. What better way to secure your freedom than being a Lieutenant coming forward and becoming the key eye witness in a black man's trial for the murder of the woman that the Lieutenant actually killed... Again, IN THE 60'S!!!!!;

    4) he vaguely stated in his own testimony that the man who he believed murdered Mary was "about my size" multiple times;

    5) I'm sure he owned at least one gun, being a Lieutenant, and sure as hell is skilled with a gun based on his military background;

    6) He could easily overpower Mary with his military training;

    7) (Going farther down the rabbit hole) there is documentation that some murders like to revisit the crime scene and even catapult themselves into the investigation to "re-live" the crime, and what better way to do that then actually testifying at the trial of the person who is accused of it!!!

    I don't know, maybe this is just me thinking way too far outside of the box, but it seems plausible. I mean, IF he did it, AND he was the type to revisit the crime scene, what better way to get in the middle of it than sitting on the stand and saying MULTIPLE times to the defense attorney that the killer was "ABOUT HIS SIZE," basically telling everyone in the court room that the killer is on the stand and nobody has a damn clue!!!!!!!

    Thank you for providing this podcast to all of US and thank you for reading my short essay on what I couldn't stop thinking about after listening to these episodes!!

    ...... AND now I am finishing the episode and realized you guys kind of brought this up haha. Oh well, still sending this hoping you will read it! I am sure other people have thought of this, but I found it interesting.

    8) He lied about his employment at the trial about being a Mathematics Professor at Georgetown when he never was employed there!!! WTF!!! Thanks again for everything!

    I like your jib!
    James Baker

  • Veselin Stankov

    Veselin Stankov Bulgaria

    How many times do I have to say that LSD is NOT truth serum. Truth serum is sodium penthatal, which is a totally different chemical compound... damn... :)

    How many times do I have to say that LSD is NOT truth serum. Truth serum is sodium penthatal, which is a totally different chemical compound... damn... smile

  • D, Davis

    D, Davis david9492@msn,com

    Interesting episode, but I think that in the Meyer case there is less there than meets the eye. Most likely a routine homicide. Rather than trying to deal with the JFK assassination as a whole, (a rather enormous can of worms), I would recommend something more manageable like the Garrison investigation. (required reading, Patricia Lambert's "False Witness, The Real Story of Jim Garrisons Investigation and Oliver Stones JFK". I personally have gone back and forth on the conspiracy question but I like to say it took Stones propaganda film to begin making me question a conspiracy," Bugliosi is good but his mammoth ego kept getting in the way.,

    Interesting episode, but I think that in the Meyer case there is less there than meets the eye. Most likely a routine homicide. Rather than trying to deal with the JFK assassination as a whole, (a rather enormous can of worms), I would recommend something more manageable like the Garrison investigation. (required reading, Patricia Lambert's "False Witness, The Real Story of Jim Garrisons Investigation and Oliver Stones JFK". I personally have gone back and forth on the conspiracy question but I like to say it took Stones propaganda film to begin making me question a conspiracy," Bugliosi is good but his mammoth ego kept getting in the way.,

  • Patrick B.

    Patrick B. Philadelphia, PA

    Hey Nic, Loving the Garage's take on the MPM case. Not sure if anyone else has made you aware of this, but via iTunes I'm unable to listen to part two; it states that the podcast is currently unavailable. Just wanted to let you know. Great show - will definitely be donating to the fund! Thanks guys. - Patrick

    Hey Nic,
    Loving the Garage's take on the MPM case. Not sure if anyone else has made you aware of this, but via iTunes I'm unable to listen to part two; it states that the podcast is currently unavailable. Just wanted to let you know.

    Great show - will definitely be donating to the fund! Thanks guys.

    - Patrick

  • Jack

    Jack Maryland

    I just got finished listening to your podcast about this case. I think that it was is obvious that Ray Crump killed this woman. The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. One thing that bothers me is that you guys did not mention Crump's long criminal record. He started as a street stick up artist pulling off holdup after holdup on the streets of Washington nearly identical to that in the Myers case. After his acquittal he was arrested for another robbery and while out on bail raped a 13 year old girl. He was sentence to a lengthy term in federal prison since the rape happened on federal property. Seriously what would be your reason for not mentioning any of this? To make listeners believe in this crazy conspiracy theory? That gun is still laying in the mud at the bottom of the Potomac.

    I just got finished listening to your podcast about this case. I think that it was is obvious that Ray Crump killed this woman. The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. One thing that bothers me is that you guys did not mention Crump's long criminal record. He started as a street stick up artist pulling off holdup after holdup on the streets of Washington nearly identical to that in the Myers case.

    After his acquittal he was arrested for another robbery and while out on bail raped a 13 year old girl. He was sentence to a lengthy term in federal prison since the rape happened on federal property.

    Seriously what would be your reason for not mentioning any of this? To make listeners believe in this crazy conspiracy theory?

    That gun is still laying in the mud at the bottom of the Potomac.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Hi Jack, Sorry it's been a long time ago that we covered this case so I don't remember the details too well. I found him to be innocent based on the defenses timeline which the prosecution could blot dispute. If the timeline is correct it is very unlikely that he killed Mary. Secondly wasn't most of his criminal record from crimes committed after the acquittal? Some times prison, jail and the system breeds criminals. Thanks for joining us. Check out some of the other shows, I think you'll enjoy them. Cheers, Nic

    Hi Jack,

    Sorry it's been a long time ago that we covered this case so I don't remember the details too well. I found him to be innocent based on the defenses timeline which the prosecution could blot dispute. If the timeline is correct it is very unlikely that he killed Mary. Secondly wasn't most of his criminal record from crimes committed after the acquittal? Some times prison, jail and the system breeds criminals.
    Thanks for joining us. Check out some of the other shows, I think you'll enjoy them. Cheers,
    Nic

  • Amy

    Amy NJ

    I don’t think someone 5 foot 3 is dragging a woman that is taller than he was. I wonder if anyone ever came out with how tall the murder had to be to inflict those wounds. I think she either knew too much or maybe she was too advanced for the time. She rubbed someone the wrong way or made them nervous.

    I don’t think someone 5 foot 3 is dragging a woman that is taller than he was. I wonder if anyone ever came out with how tall the murder had to be to inflict those wounds. I think she either knew too much or maybe she was too advanced for the time. She rubbed someone the wrong way or made them nervous.

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