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  • Lysa

    Lysa Oregon

    Literally the most maddening 911 call I’ve ever heard.

    Literally the most maddening 911 call I’ve ever heard.

  • Candace

    Candace Halifax

    Very interesting case, I watched a Dateline episode about it sometime back. Regarding the “bitchy” comment, ehhh, I have to disagree that those must just have been baseless sexist jabs at her; If a male doctor acted that way I’d say he was a huge @sshole (“driven” too, yes, but still an @sshole). Even some of the people who adored her most had to admit she could be painfully blunt and sometimes mean. That doesn’t make her a bad person, or what happened to her any less tragic or cruel, of course. Looking forward to Part 2

    Very interesting case, I watched a Dateline episode about it sometime back.

    Regarding the “bitchy” comment, ehhh, I have to disagree that those must just have been baseless sexist jabs at her; If a male doctor acted that way I’d say he was a huge @sshole (“driven” too, yes, but still an @sshole). Even some of the people who adored her most had to admit she could be painfully blunt and sometimes mean. That doesn’t make her a bad person, or what happened to her any less tragic or cruel, of course.

    Looking forward to Part 2

  • Meg

    Meg Frederick, MD

    Good Morning Guys! I wanted to just say that I love the podcast and have been listening for over a year! I want to say thank you to the Captain for bringing up that if Sandra were a man her "Bitchiness" would be considered drive. As a woman who is driven, but in my work is often called "bitchy" as a reprimand, it meant a lot. Its odd how often a woman with an opinion is misunderstood as a "bitch." Good looking out Captain!

    Good Morning Guys!

    I wanted to just say that I love the podcast and have been listening for over a year! I want to say thank you to the Captain for bringing up that if Sandra were a man her "Bitchiness" would be considered drive. As a woman who is driven, but in my work is often called "bitchy" as a reprimand, it meant a lot. Its odd how often a woman with an opinion is misunderstood as a "bitch." Good looking out Captain!

  • JTallroth

    JTallroth Sweden

    Thanks for the shoutout Colonel! Made my Valentines Day! Happy Valentines Day to You, The Captain and ALL of the TCG Army! Let’s listen! :-) //@jtallroth

    Thanks for the shoutout Colonel! Made my Valentines Day!
    Happy Valentines Day to You, The Captain and ALL of the TCG Army!
    Let’s listen!
    :-)
    //@jtallroth

  • Hi there, A couple of observations: - Is it me or the 911 operator was not really good? Is there a chance she asked the same questions multiple times to make sure the neighbor didn't change his story or was she just, well... not really up to the job? - About a possible home invasion: I have to say, a robbery gone wrong is hard to believe if they had dogs in the house. Regardless of their size, dogs are the most effective alarm system there is. And they are usually very dissuasive. I used to live in a nice town, but at some point there was a string of home invasions. The only place that wasn't broken in: mine. Robbers hear dogs and move on to the next house. If nobody heard anything it probably means the dogs were familiar with the person who attacked their owner.

    Hi there,

    A couple of observations:
    - Is it me or the 911 operator was not really good? Is there a chance she asked the same questions multiple times to make sure the neighbor didn't change his story or was she just, well... not really up to the job?
    - About a possible home invasion: I have to say, a robbery gone wrong is hard to believe if they had dogs in the house. Regardless of their size, dogs are the most effective alarm system there is. And they are usually very dissuasive. I used to live in a nice town, but at some point there was a string of home invasions. The only place that wasn't broken in: mine. Robbers hear dogs and move on to the next house. If nobody heard anything it probably means the dogs were familiar with the person who attacked their owner.

  • sammie

    sammie ky

    What a lovely show for Valentines Day ❤️ wink

    What a lovely show for Valentines Day ❤️ wink

  • Toni

    Toni Boise, ID

    I am not sure if this is the right place to make a recommendation but I've been looking into the case of 10-year old Lindsay Baum. Super sad/horrifying case with some newer, even more terrifying leads. Another one I just recently heard about is Angela "Angie" Hammond. It was on unsolved mysteries and there was a minisode on The Trail Went Cold, which is where I heard about it. It is probably one of the most horrifying abduction cases I've ever heard of. Just some ideas... I actually have a lot but these are on the top of my current list.

    I am not sure if this is the right place to make a recommendation but I've been looking into the case of 10-year old Lindsay Baum. Super sad/horrifying case with some newer, even more terrifying leads. Another one I just recently heard about is Angela "Angie" Hammond. It was on unsolved mysteries and there was a minisode on The Trail Went Cold, which is where I heard about it. It is probably one of the most horrifying abduction cases I've ever heard of. Just some ideas... I actually have a lot but these are on the top of my current list.

  • Ellie

    Ellie Florida

    I had a thought about Mark's mother. If he arranged this, is it possible that she may be complicit ? After reading anonymous' comment, perhaps she put the dogs up so they wouldn't bark at/attack the intruders. Then maybe they got out from where they were or let out before they left (but that would seem odd). Maybe she didn't have a hard time with the alarm, maybe she was letting her son know the coast was clear. Just thoughts, I have no idea how likely it is..

    I had a thought about Mark's mother. If he arranged this, is it possible that she may be complicit ? After reading anonymous' comment, perhaps she put the dogs up so they wouldn't bark at/attack the intruders. Then maybe they got out from where they were or let out before they left (but that would seem odd). Maybe she didn't have a hard time with the alarm, maybe she was letting her son know the coast was clear. Just thoughts, I have no idea how likely it is..

  • Rodrigo Ibarra

    Rodrigo Ibarra LaBelle, Fl

    This case is so close to home. I'm actually working in Bonita Springs today. It's crazy I don't remember ever hearing about this! Keep up the great work guys !!

    This case is so close to home. I'm actually working in Bonita Springs today. It's crazy I don't remember ever hearing about this!

    Keep up the great work guys !!

  • Private Paul

    Private Paul Marysville, MI

    To use a hammer and to strike 17 times to cave someone's skull in, is unreal. There should be no quarter given to these dirt bags. If you want an open marriage, why get married??? Dr. T was hoooooootttttt!!!!!!!

    To use a hammer and to strike 17 times to cave someone's skull in, is unreal. There should be no quarter given to these dirt bags. If you want an open marriage, why get married??? Dr. T was hoooooootttttt!!!!!!!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Ellie, Intriguing thoughts about Bonnie Sievers and I really have nothing to say that did not happen. I've seen plenty of interviews with her including when questioned by police. My gut tells me she's a sweet woman that probably loved Teresa more than Mark. During the police interview the questions made it seem to her that the killer broke in before Teresa had returned home. We now know this was the case. She was up front with the officers about her not activating the alarm. She blamed herself for Teresa's murder. If Mark is found guilty I hope Bonnie will have nothing to do with him. He does not deserve the love of a mother for many and obvious reasons! Cheers Nic

    Ellie,
    Intriguing thoughts about Bonnie Sievers and I really have nothing to say that did not happen. I've seen plenty of interviews with her including when questioned by police. My gut tells me she's a sweet woman that probably loved Teresa more than Mark. During the police interview the questions made it seem to her that the killer broke in before Teresa had returned home. We now know this was the case. She was up front with the officers about her not activating the alarm. She blamed herself for Teresa's murder. If Mark is found guilty I hope Bonnie will have nothing to do with him. He does not deserve the love of a mother for many and obvious reasons!
    Cheers Nic

  • John

    John WI

    Women can be bitchy, TRUST ME no reason to get all "triggered" Besides, driven men are also called: pricks, dicks, assholes, slave drivers, tyrants

    Women can be bitchy, TRUST ME no reason to get all "triggered"
    Besides, driven men are also called: pricks, dicks, assholes, slave drivers, tyrants

  • Listener

    Listener

    Is there something wrong with the new episodes? They're not playing, anywhere.

    Is there something wrong with the new episodes? They're not playing, anywhere.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Shouldn't be anything wrong with listening. Nic

    Shouldn't be anything wrong with listening.
    Nic

  • Kristin P.

    Kristin P. TN

    The problem with the mom being in the house is interesting, but I really don't think it's a problem. I bet those burner phones have all the answers. Say Mark told them when his wife would be home and to show up after or that he would contact them when he knew she had landed. They decide to check the house out early since they are there and really have nothing to do. When they go in the house, Mark gets an alert that the alarm has been deactivated. He calls Wayne and asks him what he's doing there already and that his mom will be there shortly, so they leave. The big problem I have is with Wright and Rogers doing it on their own. I haven't heard a convincing motive. They traveled a long way at some expense and Wright would probably have had to pay Rogers in some way to convince him to commit the murder. Wright didn't have that kind of money. If they did go early to case the house and see what kind of payday they could expect, then why didn't they ever take anything? Even if they couldn't get into the safe, there would have been other valuable items in the house. Was there any evidence the safe had been tampered with? Maybe they got the lock picks because using the code to open the garage would alert Teresa. If I was in the house alone and heard my garage door open, I would certainly be alarmed and probably arm myself and call 911. So, in the morning, they knew she wasn't there and used the code, but decided the quiet way to enter was to pick the lock on their return. If you pick a lock properly, there will be no sign of forced entry. I also wonder if they closed the garage door and left via a front or back door that morning, leaving the door unlocked and planning to use it to gain re-entry to the house. Perhaps they bought the lock pick set in case the door they left unlocked was locked by Mark's mom or Teresa when she returned home. Also, the hammer there basically proves it was a premeditated murder. Thieves who get surprised will use an object already in the house. They could have grabbed scissors or a kitchen knife or a frying pan. The fact that they found a hammer that did not come from within the house points to premeditation unless there is evidence that the hammer was used to gain entry, and there was no evidence of that. Why they didn't find a murder weapon when they were there in the morning, I don't know. They could have found 100 things in the house/garage to beat her with. Maybe Mark told them what to purchase.

    The problem with the mom being in the house is interesting, but I really don't think it's a problem. I bet those burner phones have all the answers. Say Mark told them when his wife would be home and to show up after or that he would contact them when he knew she had landed. They decide to check the house out early since they are there and really have nothing to do. When they go in the house, Mark gets an alert that the alarm has been deactivated. He calls Wayne and asks him what he's doing there already and that his mom will be there shortly, so they leave.

    The big problem I have is with Wright and Rogers doing it on their own. I haven't heard a convincing motive. They traveled a long way at some expense and Wright would probably have had to pay Rogers in some way to convince him to commit the murder. Wright didn't have that kind of money. If they did go early to case the house and see what kind of payday they could expect, then why didn't they ever take anything? Even if they couldn't get into the safe, there would have been other valuable items in the house. Was there any evidence the safe had been tampered with? Maybe they got the lock picks because using the code to open the garage would alert Teresa. If I was in the house alone and heard my garage door open, I would certainly be alarmed and probably arm myself and call 911. So, in the morning, they knew she wasn't there and used the code, but decided the quiet way to enter was to pick the lock on their return. If you pick a lock properly, there will be no sign of forced entry. I also wonder if they closed the garage door and left via a front or back door that morning, leaving the door unlocked and planning to use it to gain re-entry to the house. Perhaps they bought the lock pick set in case the door they left unlocked was locked by Mark's mom or Teresa when she returned home.

    Also, the hammer there basically proves it was a premeditated murder. Thieves who get surprised will use an object already in the house. They could have grabbed scissors or a kitchen knife or a frying pan. The fact that they found a hammer that did not come from within the house points to premeditation unless there is evidence that the hammer was used to gain entry, and there was no evidence of that. Why they didn't find a murder weapon when they were there in the morning, I don't know. They could have found 100 things in the house/garage to beat her with. Maybe Mark told them what to purchase.

  • CB

    CB Philly

    Did i miss episode 3? I didn’t hear any resolution on this. Did it go to trial? I’ll google it but i thought it was an abrupt ending and usually you guys give your opinion. Love the show though.

    Did i miss episode 3? I didn’t hear any resolution on this. Did it go to trial? I’ll google it but i thought it was an abrupt ending and usually you guys give your opinion. Love the show though.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Sorry CB - no we didn't do an episode 3, I thought we got through everything. I'll have to listen back. The trial for Mark Sievers is pending and for Jimmy Rodgers as well. Wayne Wright has turned on both of them. The judge wants to move things along but the prosecutor and defense attorneys need more time to build cases/defenses. Cheers Nic

    Sorry CB - no we didn't do an episode 3, I thought we got through everything. I'll have to listen back. The trial for Mark Sievers is pending and for Jimmy Rodgers as well. Wayne Wright has turned on both of them. The judge wants to move things along but the prosecutor and defense attorneys need more time to build cases/defenses.
    Cheers Nic

  • The Hammer

    The Hammer Bonita Springs

    Nic/CB NO I just finished episode 2 this morning and i was confused because I didn't really get a resolution! All that we really knew was Mark was arrested and y'all made a case for/against him or other possible scenarios. I also was a bit curious about the baby/honey texts between the men, maybe they were lovers in the open marriage and Wayne acted on his own to be with Mark and in effect share the life insurance money?

    Nic/CB

    NO I just finished episode 2 this morning and i was confused because I didn't really get a resolution! All that we really knew was Mark was arrested and y'all made a case for/against him or other possible scenarios.

    I also was a bit curious about the baby/honey texts between the men, maybe they were lovers in the open marriage and Wayne acted on his own to be with Mark and in effect share the life insurance money?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Sorry about that it sounds like we got way off track. Currently Mark Sievers is waiting for trial. Cheers Nic

    Sorry about that it sounds like we got way off track. Currently Mark Sievers is waiting for trial.
    Cheers Nic

  • Cricket

    Cricket

    I’m with The Captain on this one—the mom “issue” is no issue. If anything, it’s adding suspicion for me. It sure is convenient that there’s an issue with the alarm system, which gives Mark an excuse to have his mom turn the whole system off. Now the husband is out of town AND there’s a documented incident of the alarm system not working earlier in the day. This feels like orchestrated diversionary tactics to make it seem like a random breakin as opposed to anything premeditated. If they have burner phones and Mark is letting them know to expect the mom, there’s no wrinkle to work out. Just my 2 cents. Great podcast, guys!

    I’m with The Captain on this one—the mom “issue” is no issue. If anything, it’s adding suspicion for me. It sure is convenient that there’s an issue with the alarm system, which gives Mark an excuse to have his mom turn the whole system off. Now the husband is out of town AND there’s a documented incident of the alarm system not working earlier in the day. This feels like orchestrated diversionary tactics to make it seem like a random breakin as opposed to anything premeditated. If they have burner phones and Mark is letting them know to expect the mom, there’s no wrinkle to work out. Just my 2 cents. Great podcast, guys!

  • Phil

    Phil Brisbane, Australia

    Always be careful when entering your garage. It is so easy for someone to walk into your garage behind your car and gain entry without you knowing it. I realise that this didn't happen in this case, but still...

    Always be careful when entering your garage. It is so easy for someone to walk into your garage behind your car and gain entry without you knowing it. I realise that this didn't happen in this case, but still...

  • Jason

    Jason Parts unknown

    Hey everybody i am bingeing the episodes came to this one. Regarding the life insurance as a life insurance agent usually you have for 10x income eg. 400,000 income= 4million in coverage. They said 5 polices totaling that thise polices were probably purchased at different times in life . Without looking at the policies some of the policies total could be for both on the policy. So Teresa could have been primary an mark being on the policy under a spouse rider so both on the policy.

    Hey everybody i am bingeing the episodes came to this one. Regarding the life insurance as a life insurance agent usually you have for 10x income eg. 400,000 income= 4million in coverage. They said 5 polices totaling that thise polices were probably purchased at different times in life . Without looking at the policies some of the policies total could be for both on the policy. So Teresa could have been primary an mark being on the policy under a spouse rider so both on the policy.

  • Steven

    Steven Madison, WI

    So it's an evil twin story-but (possibly) without a good twin. You did say they both have goatees, right?

    So it's an evil twin story-but (possibly) without a good twin. You did say they both have goatees, right?

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