Missing Welch Girls /// 105 &106

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  • Anon

    Anon Parts unknown

    Just a thought after listening to episode 1 with one of the theories being it was the police who murdered them and staged the scene. If they were involved wouldn't they know that there were two bodies in the fire so why would they leave one behind for the public to find? Even if the family didn't find the body of the dad, clean up crews would eventually, so the police would be purposely making themselves look stupid for not "finding" him and causing the public to question their investigation which seems very odd to me why they would do that if they were involved. I'd assume they wouldn't want to make themselves purposely look inept. To me it seems like bad investigation possibly because of who the family (dad) was, because they didn't get along so they just were like meh don't care and did a shitty job looking, but It doesn't sound like they would do it and then leave a body behind to be discovered by someone else! That's just a thought on that theory so far, can't wait to see what you guys think in ep 2! PS. For theory 1 possibly once the fire was set the girls coulda freaked out and one was like oh no my purse and it was too late to go back for it with all the kafuffle but I do agree there would have to be more involved and it seems highly unlikely. Thanks!

    Just a thought after listening to episode 1 with one of the theories being it was the police who murdered them and staged the scene. If they were involved wouldn't they know that there were two bodies in the fire so why would they leave one behind for the public to find? Even if the family didn't find the body of the dad, clean up crews would eventually, so the police would be purposely making themselves look stupid for not "finding" him and causing the public to question their investigation which seems very odd to me why they would do that if they were involved. I'd assume they wouldn't want to make themselves purposely look inept. To me it seems like bad investigation possibly because of who the family (dad) was, because they didn't get along so they just were like meh don't care and did a shitty job looking, but It doesn't sound like they would do it and then leave a body behind to be discovered by someone else! That's just a thought on that theory so far, can't wait to see what you guys think in ep 2! PS. For theory 1 possibly once the fire was set the girls coulda freaked out and one was like oh no my purse and it was too late to go back for it with all the kafuffle but I do agree there would have to be more involved and it seems highly unlikely. Thanks!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Anon, you're exactly right! Nic

    Anon, you're exactly right!
    Nic

  • Nicholas Macarages

    Nicholas Macarages

    Great pod! I've heard another podcast cover this story, but you provided more information and theories. Only thing is you kept saying 16 years instead of 18... No biggie!

    Great pod! I've heard another podcast cover this story, but you provided more information and theories. Only thing is you kept saying 16 years instead of 18... No biggie!

  • Adrienne

    Adrienne Tulsa, OK

    I personally feel that some combination of drugs and/or human trafficking occurred in this case. There is an unfortunate amount both that occurs in Oklahoma given the size and population of our state. There are many small, rural communities and relatively easy access to major interstates that lead across international borders. I-44 isn't too far from Welch, OK and from there it's not too much of a stretch to think someone went down to OKC and got on I-35 south. St. Louis is also only about a 5 or 6 hour drive north-east on I-44 and has a large international airport and access to Mississippi shipping barges.

    I personally feel that some combination of drugs and/or human trafficking occurred in this case. There is an unfortunate amount both that occurs in Oklahoma given the size and population of our state. There are many small, rural communities and relatively easy access to major interstates that lead across international borders. I-44 isn't too far from Welch, OK and from there it's not too much of a stretch to think someone went down to OKC and got on I-35 south. St. Louis is also only about a 5 or 6 hour drive north-east on I-44 and has a large international airport and access to Mississippi shipping barges.

  • Tom Butler

    Tom Butler Austin, TX

    "Well he also suffered from shaking his bon bon" is the best podcast line I've heard all year!!!!!

    "Well he also suffered from shaking his bon bon" is the best podcast line I've heard all year!!!!!

  • Tony

    Tony Vegas

    You guys need to do the Leonard Peltier case!!! It's never covered on any podcasts or true crime shows, and it's a heck of a mystery what really happened that day on the Reservation. Check it out, would make an awesome show. Great job by the way, top-notch production and sound.

    You guys need to do the Leonard Peltier case!!! It's never covered on any podcasts or true crime shows, and it's a heck of a mystery what really happened that day on the Reservation. Check it out, would make an awesome show. Great job by the way, top-notch production and sound.

  • Morgan

    Morgan Austin

    Can you please tell me how to spell Charlie's name? I was googling Charlie Critter and can't find anything, so I hope I'm just misspelling it . ☹️ I grew up in Southeast KS, not too far from the OK border. I really want to dig into this guy!

    Can you please tell me how to spell Charlie's name? I was googling Charlie Critter and can't find anything, so I hope I'm just misspelling it . ☹️

    I grew up in Southeast KS, not too far from the OK border. I really want to dig into this guy!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Hi Morgan, There's not a lot on him that I could find but I'll find some stuff if you google Charles Krider Happy hunting! Nic

    Hi Morgan,
    There's not a lot on him that I could find but I'll find some stuff if you google
    Charles Krider
    Happy hunting!
    Nic

  • Myrna

    Myrna

    Just finished listening to both episodes about the Welch girls and wonder if anyone has related it to the disappearance of Heather Kullorn from Richmond Heights MO in July of 1999. She too has not been found. Her abduction was also related to drugs. I may have my information wrong but I think it may have been meth.

    Just finished listening to both episodes about the Welch girls and wonder if anyone has related it to the disappearance of Heather Kullorn from Richmond Heights MO in July of 1999. She too has not been found. Her abduction was also related to drugs. I may have my information wrong but I think it may have been meth.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thanks Myrna, wasn't aware of the Heather Kullorn case. I have to look into that. Nic

    Thanks Myrna, wasn't aware of the Heather Kullorn case. I have to look into that.
    Nic

  • CS

    CS Utah

    Was just listening to episode one of the Welch girls disappearance and wanted to comment on the discussion about what drugs, if any, Danny was using/manufacturing. You also commented on his habit of wandering around his property and collecting arrowheads. That reminded me of an article I read some time ago that linked meth users to arrowhead collectors. Here is a link to one of a few articles talking about that. Also, given that the police said they found evidence of "manufacturing" and also that Oklahoma was the epicenter of clandestine meth labs in the early/mid 2000's, I would venture a guess that he was manufacturing and more likely, using methamphetamine. https://www.policeone.com/archive/articles/118261-Ark-sheriff-explores-link-between-meth-and-arrowheads/

    Was just listening to episode one of the Welch girls disappearance and wanted to comment on the discussion about what drugs, if any, Danny was using/manufacturing. You also commented on his habit of wandering around his property and collecting arrowheads. That reminded me of an article I read some time ago that linked meth users to arrowhead collectors. Here is a link to one of a few articles talking about that. Also, given that the police said they found evidence of "manufacturing" and also that Oklahoma was the epicenter of clandestine meth labs in the early/mid 2000's, I would venture a guess that he was manufacturing and more likely, using methamphetamine. https://www.policeone.com/archive/articles/118261-Ark-sheriff-explores-link-between-meth-and-arrowheads/

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Good work CS - thank you Nic

    Good work CS - thank you
    Nic

  • Meg

    Meg Missouri

    This episode is what hooked me into your show. I am originally from about 10 miles away from Welch, Ok (same town as Charlie) and am close to the same age as Laura and Ashley. I have been following this case since the beginning and have heard many of the rumors surrounding the case. However, I was not aware of the connection between Jones and Krider- so thank you for that! I find that really interesting because since the girls went missing, everyone in town always said Charlie had something to do with it. I won't make any accusations but I will confirm that he is one creepy dude!

    This episode is what hooked me into your show. I am originally from about 10 miles away from Welch, Ok (same town as Charlie) and am close to the same age as Laura and Ashley. I have been following this case since the beginning and have heard many of the rumors surrounding the case. However, I was not aware of the connection between Jones and Krider- so thank you for that! I find that really interesting because since the girls went missing, everyone in town always said Charlie had something to do with it. I won't make any accusations but I will confirm that he is one creepy dude!

  • Meg

    Meg Missouri

    Update! An arrest has been made!! Ronnie Busick has been arrested. 2 other suspects in the case are deceased. David Pennington and Phil Welch. Police are saying these guys talked alot about this and they have Polaroid pictures of the girls in their last days. They aren't realeasing much more info at this time as it is ongoing.

    Update! An arrest has been made!! Ronnie Busick has been arrested. 2 other suspects in the case are deceased. David Pennington and Phil Welch. Police are saying these guys talked alot about this and they have Polaroid pictures of the girls in their last days. They aren't realeasing much more info at this time as it is ongoing.

  • Heath

    Heath Parsons Ks

    Breaking News: Suspected Killer Charged in Welch Case by Denton Thomason Vinita Daily Journal A major development unfolded Monday in the infamous December 1999 murders of Danny and Kathy Freeman, the abduction and murder of 16-year-olds Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman, and the arson of the Freemans' rural Welch residence. Family members of the two missing girls were in attendance when District Attorney Matt Ballard announced that a suspect has been charged in connection with the murders. The suspect, Ronnie Dean Busick, 56, of Wichita, was charged by prosecutors on Monday with four counts of first-degree murder, two counts of kidnapping and one count of arson, according to court records. Two other suspects believed to have participated in the murders and kidnappings, Warren Phillip Welch II and David A. Pennington, have since passed away, authorities said. Danny and Kathy Freeman were killed by gunfire on Dec. 30, 1999, at their rural Welch residence, which was then set ablaze. Their daughter Ashley and her best friend, Lauria, who had been staying the night to celebrate Ashley's 16th birthday, have never been seen since. One new revelation made during Monday's news conference was that both teenagers were abducted the night of the murders and held for an unknown number of days after the fact before they were killed. "These young ladies' final days were certainly horrific," Ballard said. "Phil Welch, Dave Pennington and Ronnie Busick killed Mr. and Mrs. Freeman, abducted the teenage girls, and set fire to the Freeman home. Information has been filed in the affidavit revealing the girls were kept alive for an unknown number of days following the fire, that Polaroid photographs of the girls in their final days were seen by multiple people and Welch, Pennington and Busick made many statements to multiple people in their lives about their crimes," Ballard said. Busick currently remains jailed in Harvey County, Kan., authorities said. While Busick has been charged, the ordeal is far from over, as the remains of two girls have yet to be discovered. The family is hopeful that someone with any information will step forward to provide that missing piece of the puzzle. Lauria Bible's mother, Lorene Bible, has been tenacious in her pursuit of justice and to bring the girls home. She spoke during Monday's news conference. "It's been 18 years, three months and 26 days to bring us to this point," Bible said to the media. She reflected that Lauria's 35th birthday was on April 18. "There are people out there that I know in my heart know something. For me, I need to bring my daughter home," Bible said. "I'm their voice. I fight. The tearful mom will be there when they find my daughter... I need a place to go where I can say, 'This is where my daughter is,' a place at the cemetery to lay a wreath," Bible said. "Today is day one of where I have to go next. I'll find the girls if it takes my last breath. I have to do that," Bible said. A $50,000 reward is being offered for information leading to locate Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman. Tips can be called into the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation at 1-800-522-8017, or online at tip@osbi.ok.gov.

    Breaking News:
    Suspected Killer Charged in Welch Case
    by Denton Thomason
    Vinita Daily Journal

    A major development unfolded Monday in the infamous December 1999 murders of Danny and Kathy Freeman, the abduction and murder of 16-year-olds Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman, and the arson of the Freemans' rural Welch residence.
    Family members of the two missing girls were in attendance when District Attorney Matt Ballard announced that a suspect has been charged in connection with the murders.
    The suspect, Ronnie Dean Busick, 56, of Wichita, was charged by prosecutors on Monday with four counts of first-degree murder, two counts of kidnapping and one count of arson, according to court records.
    Two other suspects believed to have participated in the murders and kidnappings, Warren Phillip Welch II and David A. Pennington, have since passed away, authorities said.
    Danny and Kathy Freeman were killed by gunfire on Dec. 30, 1999, at their rural Welch residence, which was then set ablaze.
    Their daughter Ashley and her best friend, Lauria, who had been staying the night to celebrate Ashley's 16th birthday, have never been seen since.
    One new revelation made during Monday's news conference was that both teenagers were abducted the night of the murders and held for an unknown number of days after the fact before they were killed.
    "These young ladies' final days were certainly horrific," Ballard said.
    "Phil Welch, Dave Pennington and Ronnie Busick killed Mr. and Mrs. Freeman, abducted the teenage girls, and set fire to the Freeman home. Information has been filed in the affidavit revealing the girls were kept alive for an unknown number of days following the fire, that Polaroid photographs of the girls in their final days were seen by multiple people and Welch, Pennington and Busick made many statements to multiple people in their lives about their crimes," Ballard said.
    Busick currently remains jailed in Harvey County, Kan., authorities said.
    While Busick has been charged, the ordeal is far from over, as the remains of two girls have yet to be discovered.
    The family is hopeful that someone with any information will step forward to provide that missing piece of the puzzle.
    Lauria Bible's mother, Lorene Bible, has been tenacious in her pursuit of justice and to bring the girls home.
    She spoke during Monday's news conference.
    "It's been 18 years, three months and 26 days to bring us to this point," Bible said to the media.
    She reflected that Lauria's 35th birthday was on April 18.
    "There are people out there that I know in my heart know something. For me, I need to bring my daughter home," Bible said.
    "I'm their voice. I fight. The tearful mom will be there when they find my daughter... I need a place to go where I can say, 'This is where my daughter is,' a place at the cemetery to lay a wreath," Bible said.
    "Today is day one of where I have to go next. I'll find the girls if it takes my last breath. I have to do that," Bible said.
    A $50,000 reward is being offered for information leading to locate Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman.
    Tips can be called into the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation at 1-800-522-8017, or online at tip@osbi.ok.gov.

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous Lexington, KY

    Case cracked....

    Case cracked....

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous

    This case has been solved.

    This case has been solved.

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