Missy Bevers /// 138 /// 139

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  • JTallroth

    JTallroth

    First impression: That's REALLY similar! I work in private security and have some experience and training when it comes to observation techniques and specific recognition parameters such as body type, stances, movement patterns etc. This footage strikes me as very plausible when it comes to the possibility of being the same person. I want to emphasize that I haven't listened to the episode yet and know nothing about the case so this is just from observing the footage...

    First impression: That's REALLY similar!
    I work in private security and have some experience and training when it comes to observation techniques and specific recognition parameters such as body type, stances, movement patterns etc. This footage strikes me as very plausible when it comes to the possibility of being the same person. I want to emphasize that I haven't listened to the episode yet and know nothing about the case so this is just from observing the footage...

  • Danae

    Danae Seattle

    This is such a bizarre and scary case! I took CG (Camp Gladiator) classes for over a year before moving and everything being described- getting there super early, at a church- is exactly how my trainer ran her classes. The way it worked for both trainers I had, and how I believe it is run for all CG classes, is that campers bring their own mat and weights and trainers bring the other equipment that they want us to use (ropes, cones, resistance bands, etc).

    This is such a bizarre and scary case! I took CG (Camp Gladiator) classes for over a year before moving and everything being described- getting there super early, at a church- is exactly how my trainer ran her classes. The way it worked for both trainers I had, and how I believe it is run for all CG classes, is that campers bring their own mat and weights and trainers bring the other equipment that they want us to use (ropes, cones, resistance bands, etc).

  • Rebecca

    Rebecca

    It's referred to as a Dutch Door. Every time I see the video, I get the impression that it's a woman trying to disguise themselves. It's a sad case. I hope this family can get some resolution soon.

    It's referred to as a Dutch Door. Every time I see the video, I get the impression that it's a woman trying to disguise themselves. It's a sad case. I hope this family can get some resolution soon.

  • Melissa

    Melissa Michigan

    Omg! The husband did it! First thing I thought when I heard his outlandish "fake" wail of a cry in the video footage that you played. Now after seeing the height, build and especially the gait of this guy, there is no doubt in my mind that this is the same person. I can't believe that the authorities haven't seen this for themselves!!! The man is GAF!!!

    Omg! The husband did it! First thing I thought when I heard his outlandish "fake" wail of a cry in the video footage that you played. Now after seeing the height, build and especially the gait of this guy, there is no doubt in my mind that this is the same person. I can't believe that the authorities haven't seen this for themselves!!! The man is GAF!!!

  • Mary Hayes

    Mary Hayes Redondo Beach, CA

    While I think both individuals' gaits are similar, the suspect in the surveillance video looks smaller and more feminine to me. In fact, my very first thought was that it looked like a pregnant woman by the way he/she walks. I've had two kids. Believe me, I know that walk! I also think Brandon 's shoulders are broader than the suspect's.

    While I think both individuals' gaits are similar, the suspect in the surveillance video looks smaller and more feminine to me. In fact, my very first thought was that it looked like a pregnant woman by the way he/she walks. I've had two kids. Believe me, I know that walk! I also think Brandon 's shoulders are broader than the suspect's.

  • JTallroth

    JTallroth

    This footage is so interesting! I'm personally convinced the perpetrator it's a male. He is overweight with a significant stomach, a couple of times he appears to have an 'angular' body shape. This is easily explained by the vest which is pretty rigid which makes it fit closely to the body on its 'thickest point', which would be at the navel level, but have no body contact below that point thus giving the angular shape seen in certain angles. Furthermore I believe that the helmet is a plastic copy of a SWAT-style helmet, possibly the kind used in paintball. It looks as if it's semi glossy which in my experience is common in cheaper copies made out of plastic instead of Kevlar. The waistline 'looks a bit of' which supports the theory that he's wearing some kind of belt, possibly a utility belt or a belt with pouches. I would say he's about 5'8" to 5'9". I get the feeling he's not that young, maybe in his 50's - this is just a guess based upon his movements and mannerisms. That's my opinion based on watching the footage 10-12 times. Anyone with other thoughts on this? Very interesting case - can't wait to hear part two!!!

    This footage is so interesting! I'm personally convinced the perpetrator it's a male. He is overweight with a significant stomach, a couple of times he appears to have an 'angular' body shape. This is easily explained by the vest which is pretty rigid which makes it fit closely to the body on its 'thickest point', which would be at the navel level, but have no body contact below that point thus giving the angular shape seen in certain angles. Furthermore I believe that the helmet is a plastic copy of a SWAT-style helmet, possibly the kind used in paintball. It looks as if it's semi glossy which in my experience is common in cheaper copies made out of plastic instead of Kevlar. The waistline 'looks a bit of' which supports the theory that he's wearing some kind of belt, possibly a utility belt or a belt with pouches. I would say he's about 5'8" to 5'9". I get the feeling he's not that young, maybe in his 50's - this is just a guess based upon his movements and mannerisms. That's my opinion based on watching the footage 10-12 times. Anyone with other thoughts on this?
    Very interesting case - can't wait to hear part two!!!

  • Eli

    Eli California

    I don't think this is a sophisticated killer-- I think this person is mentally ill, possibly homeless, maybe with some kind of psychotic disorder that has caused them to hone in on a church as having some kind of symbolic significance (maybe they're suited up for spiritual warfare). Roaming aimlessly, possibly wearing ill-fitting shoes and surplus clothes (scrounged or donation?) or a costume, not able to realistically predict the feasibility of getting through the window and/or stopping and starting actions seemingly arbitrarily... Seems like psychosis to me. I'm guessing the person kept screwing around well into the morning due to time distortion/agnosia and the victim just stumbled across the perp, who was startled.

    I don't think this is a sophisticated killer-- I think this person is mentally ill, possibly homeless, maybe with some kind of psychotic disorder that has caused them to hone in on a church as having some kind of symbolic significance (maybe they're suited up for spiritual warfare). Roaming aimlessly, possibly wearing ill-fitting shoes and surplus clothes (scrounged or donation?) or a costume, not able to realistically predict the feasibility of getting through the window and/or stopping and starting actions seemingly arbitrarily... Seems like psychosis to me. I'm guessing the person kept screwing around well into the morning due to time distortion/agnosia and the victim just stumbled across the perp, who was startled.

  • JG

    JG HUDSON

    No, absolutely NOT! This person was NOT there specifically to kill her! That much I can guarantee. If that was the case this person could have just killed her when she came out to her car when leaving her house, or in the parking lot where there would be no security camera. But the main way to tell that this wasn't a planned hit was how would this person have known that she'd be there alone? What if she was late? Or what if she showed up with a friend? And this guy was in the building trashing it before hand? Well that just guarantees that this is a one and done try. If they didn't kill her that night well they wouldn't have been able to wait and try it again because the idiot trashed the place (for no reason I might add). Nope, this guy (or girl) went to this church with the specific intention of damaging the church and was simply surprised. They absolutely would not suspect someone showing up that early and had no idea about her class she moved inside the night before. Look for someone with a grudge against the church or a grudge against someone involved high up the ladder inside the church. IMO, this should be that hard of a case to crack and if anyone wants to pay my room and board for two weeks out there I'll come and solve it for them, lol!

    No, absolutely NOT! This person was NOT there specifically to kill her! That much I can guarantee. If that was the case this person could have just killed her when she came out to her car when leaving her house, or in the parking lot where there would be no security camera. But the main way to tell that this wasn't a planned hit was how would this person have known that she'd be there alone? What if she was late? Or what if she showed up with a friend? And this guy was in the building trashing it before hand? Well that just guarantees that this is a one and done try. If they didn't kill her that night well they wouldn't have been able to wait and try it again because the idiot trashed the place (for no reason I might add). Nope, this guy (or girl) went to this church with the specific intention of damaging the church and was simply surprised. They absolutely would not suspect someone showing up that early and had no idea about her class she moved inside the night before.
    Look for someone with a grudge against the church or a grudge against someone involved high up the ladder inside the church. IMO, this should be that hard of a case to crack and if anyone wants to pay my room and board for two weeks out there I'll come and solve it for them, lol!

  • Honest Jhon

    Honest Jhon

    If I had to go off solely this video comparison, it's quite similar. I'm only halfway through the episode right now, but had to check out the footage. I wish the news footage showed his foot position better during steps. The text box at the bottom covers his feet and they aren't in the shot for the most part. I also find it hard to believe there isn't at least one camera outside of the building. Usually there would be one facing a driveway entrance, or a main entrance to the building to capture vehicles entering the property. That could be some evidence they are not releasing? Could also be that the person was familiar with the building's security cameras, like Nick and The Captain mentioned. Looking forward to finishing this episode and learning more about this.

    If I had to go off solely this video comparison, it's quite similar. I'm only halfway through the episode right now, but had to check out the footage.

    I wish the news footage showed his foot position better during steps. The text box at the bottom covers his feet and they aren't in the shot for the most part.

    I also find it hard to believe there isn't at least one camera outside of the building. Usually there would be one facing a driveway entrance, or a main entrance to the building to capture vehicles entering the property.

    That could be some evidence they are not releasing? Could also be that the person was familiar with the building's security cameras, like Nick and The Captain mentioned.

    Looking forward to finishing this episode and learning more about this.

  • Sarah

    Sarah SoCal

    This video is so scary to me! It looks like the shoes are definitely too big, no question. I can't tell from the walking for sure, but it seems plausible that it could be a woman.

    This video is so scary to me! It looks like the shoes are definitely too big, no question. I can't tell from the walking for sure, but it seems plausible that it could be a woman.

  • Travis

    Travis Wisconsin

    Just listened to Missy Bevers episode, and I had the thought about the "shiny helmet". If it was raining, that may cause a wet flat black look shiny. That may or may not be relevant. Anyhow, your podcast is the best, thank you for your work!

    Just listened to Missy Bevers episode, and I had the thought about the "shiny helmet". If it was raining, that may cause a wet flat black look shiny. That may or may not be relevant.
    Anyhow, your podcast is the best, thank you for your work!

  • Jennifer

    Jennifer Missouri

    My first impression of the video is that it's a woman. Did anyone else notice the knee pop up when they were prying the first door open?(about 31 seconds in) That looks like something a woman would do. Also there seems to be some hip swaying later when the person is walking down the hall to the Dutch door.

    My first impression of the video is that it's a woman. Did anyone else notice the knee pop up when they were prying the first door open?(about 31 seconds in) That looks like something a woman would do. Also there seems to be some hip swaying later when the person is walking down the hall to the Dutch door.

  • Jocelynne

    Jocelynne SLC Utah

    The husband does have the duck foot gait, but his upper body posture is *very* different from the person in the surveillance. He has a face forward posture, which would be difficult to change during the video, esp if he didn't know whether there were cameras or not. My son and dad have that posture and it's painful for them to straighten up for even a few minutes. If the husband had this for his whole life, his upper vertebrae may have fused this way like my dad's have. That said, I think this is either a woman or a teen boy. I mean, he or she gave up on that one door with barely any muscle applied, even with the tools. The husband could have opened it with the crowbar. Why would anyone break in just to wander and explore? And what is this person hitting at the end of the video we got? Some random wall? That looks like drywall. And it's right inside that new door. It's like, what are the odds of what they came for being just inside the door?And can anyone do any video editing on that box to see what it is?

    The husband does have the duck foot gait, but his upper body posture is *very* different from the person in the surveillance. He has a face forward posture, which would be difficult to change during the video, esp if he didn't know whether there were cameras or not. My son and dad have that posture and it's painful for them to straighten up for even a few minutes. If the husband had this for his whole life, his upper vertebrae may have fused this way like my dad's have. That said, I think this is either a woman or a teen boy. I mean, he or she gave up on that one door with barely any muscle applied, even with the tools. The husband could have opened it with the crowbar. Why would anyone break in just to wander and explore? And what is this person hitting at the end of the video we got? Some random wall? That looks like drywall. And it's right inside that new door. It's like, what are the odds of what they came for being just inside the door?And can anyone do any video editing on that box to see what it is?

  • Tina

    Tina KY

    It looks like there is a flashlight on the helmet, like a coal miner's hard hat. After seeing both videos I am VERY suspicious of the husband. Love your pod cast. You all need to look in to the 5 unsolved murders in Bardstown KY. A police officer, a father and daughter (still missing) and a mother and daughter.

    It looks like there is a flashlight on the helmet, like a coal miner's hard hat. After seeing both videos I am VERY suspicious of the husband. Love your pod cast. You all need to look in to the 5 unsolved murders in Bardstown KY. A police officer, a father and daughter (still missing) and a mother and daughter.

  • Craig

    Craig Fort Collins

    It's definitely not Randy. He has a rock solid alibi as he was out of town when the murder was committed and has witnesses. Also, there were surveillance cameras of the parking lot but not all were functioning. We know this because a tape was released of a white car cruising the parking lot at ~2:00am. This is the link. https://youtu.be/_qqVA-79F8c So the suspect likely knew which parking lot cameras were working. I do believe that missy was in the wrong place at the wrong time and it was not targeted. The suspect had specific knowledge of that church. No alarm, ( as The Captain pointed out) knew which cameras were functioning outside, etc. If I'm an overweight l, person with a bad leg, do I really want to plan to murder a fitness instructor in a way that requires close in fighting?

    It's definitely not Randy. He has a rock solid alibi as he was out of town when the murder was committed and has witnesses.

    Also, there were surveillance cameras of the parking lot but not all were functioning. We know this because a tape was released of a white car cruising the parking lot at ~2:00am.

    This is the link. https://youtu.be/_qqVA-79F8c

    So the suspect likely knew which parking lot cameras were working. I do believe that missy was in the wrong place at the wrong time and it was not targeted. The suspect had specific knowledge of that church. No alarm, ( as The Captain pointed out) knew which cameras were functioning outside, etc. If I'm an overweight l, person with a bad leg, do I really want to plan to murder a fitness instructor in a way that requires close in fighting?

  • Kris

    Kris Rochester ny

    Watching this footage it appears that this person is not comfortable in this outfit. I really believe that they way they present themselves and their posture that the person is a female

    Watching this footage it appears that this person is not comfortable in this outfit. I really believe that they way they present themselves and their posture that the person is a female

  • JTallroth

    JTallroth

    To borrow the wise word of a well known thinker/talker; You're exactly right, Travis! That's very plausible, at least the rain would add the appearance af glossiness. Totally missed that! 🙄

    To borrow the wise word of a well known thinker/talker; You're exactly right, Travis!
    That's very plausible, at least the rain would add the appearance af glossiness. Totally missed that! 🙄

  • Lore

    Lore SoLA

    This is a man profile based on Body movement. Heavy right foot possibly on drugs. She could have very possibly fought a women being a trainer.

    This is a man profile based on Body movement. Heavy right foot possibly on drugs. She could have very possibly fought a women being a trainer.

  • Kylie

    Kylie South Carolina

    I know there's a lot of speculation about this being a woman--I read that even her husband believes it to be true. However, I don't see that at all here. I can understand the theory of a "jealous" or "personal" reasoning for the killing and with that theory one can try to apply it to a woman, but the actions and the overall behavior of the person in the video doesn't (appear) to be female. Of course it's hard to say for sure, but I don't buy it! This episode was great, can't wait for part two.

    I know there's a lot of speculation about this being a woman--I read that even her husband believes it to be true. However, I don't see that at all here. I can understand the theory of a "jealous" or "personal" reasoning for the killing and with that theory one can try to apply it to a woman, but the actions and the overall behavior of the person in the video doesn't (appear) to be female. Of course it's hard to say for sure, but I don't buy it! This episode was great, can't wait for part two.

  • Tonya

    Tonya AL

    Based on the walk, I think it's a woman. Also, watch how she swings the hammer. Just from what I've heard in the first episode, I think it was planned to look like a break in. The real intent was to hurt or kill Missy. Very sorry for the family's loss.

    Based on the walk, I think it's a woman. Also, watch how she swings the hammer. Just from what I've heard in the first episode, I think it was planned to look like a break in. The real intent was to hurt or kill Missy. Very sorry for the family's loss.

  • Todd

    Todd

    I think Nic is exactly correct. The killer broke the door/window (unsure if there were silent alarms) and left the area to wait and see if cops or anyone showed up to investigate. Maybe you cover this in part 2 but if you go to Youtube and search "missy beavers car footage" you can watch a surveillance video from the parking lot of a business called SWFA Surveillance which is just down the road from the church and with a direct view of the church. Early on the same day, a car pulls in and shuts their lights off while still in motion and parks in that lot. Could this be the eventual killer who has just broken the window/door to the church and is in the parking lot watching the church to see if cops/anyone responds to the breakin at the church?

    I think Nic is exactly correct. The killer broke the door/window (unsure if there were silent alarms) and left the area to wait and see if cops or anyone showed up to investigate. Maybe you cover this in part 2 but if you go to Youtube and search "missy beavers car footage" you can watch a surveillance video from the parking lot of a business called SWFA Surveillance which is just down the road from the church and with a direct view of the church. Early on the same day, a car pulls in and shuts their lights off while still in motion and parks in that lot. Could this be the eventual killer who has just broken the window/door to the church and is in the parking lot watching the church to see if cops/anyone responds to the breakin at the church?

  • Heidi

    Heidi NYC

    Hi- There is also CCTV video of a car circling the church a few hours before- if you go to YouTube and search Missy Bevers new video it comes right up. I wonder if the police have video of the killer exiting the car.

    Hi- There is also CCTV video of a car circling the church a few hours before- if you go to YouTube and search Missy Bevers new video it comes right up.
    I wonder if the police have video of the killer exiting the car.

  • Julie

    Julie Springfield, MO

    I think the Randy Bevers is too tall to be this individual and the footage doesn't spend enough time on his feet to see anything. I think the person in the church is probably my height, 5'7". I hit about the same place on a door and the person on the footage. There is no way Randy is that tall. I also really think this is a woman wearing many layers of clothes with a tool belt. There seems to be a lot of multitasking going on with all the different things "she" is carrying and we all know that women are the best multitaskers! . I think it was someone who knew the church but was looking for something or someone specific, definitely a planned murder. I can't wait to hear the second part! Must know more!

    I think the Randy Bevers is too tall to be this individual and the footage doesn't spend enough time on his feet to see anything. I think the person in the church is probably my height, 5'7". I hit about the same place on a door and the person on the footage. There is no way Randy is that tall. I also really think this is a woman wearing many layers of clothes with a tool belt. There seems to be a lot of multitasking going on with all the different things "she" is carrying and we all know that women are the best multitaskers! . I think it was someone who knew the church but was looking for something or someone specific, definitely a planned murder. I can't wait to hear the second part! Must know more!

  • Sg-ski

    Sg-ski Arlington Tx

    I currently attend Camp Gladiator camps and Missy was part of the area's trainers. The Facebook page is set to closed or private. The trainers have to add anyone to the page. They do this when a person signs up. The other thing is the campers bring their own mats and weights.. The trainers will have extras but they do not carry them in - usually they are left in their vehicle for the camper to go get. When we use the inside facilities due to weather, a lot of facilities do not allow weights. The church is in a fairly remote location off HWY 287. There is not a lot near there and it would be dark and rainy. I have driven by this location many times. There are two parking locations on either side of the church. The killer may have known which side she would have entered. Or they got lucky. Hope this helps with any information going forward.

    I currently attend Camp Gladiator camps and Missy was part of the area's trainers. The Facebook page is set to closed or private. The trainers have to add anyone to the page. They do this when a person signs up. The other thing is the campers bring their own mats and weights.. The trainers will have extras but they do not carry them in - usually they are left in their vehicle for the camper to go get. When we use the inside facilities due to weather, a lot of facilities do not allow weights. The church is in a fairly remote location off HWY 287. There is not a lot near there and it would be dark and rainy. I have driven by this location many times. There are two parking locations on either side of the church. The killer may have known which side she would have entered. Or they got lucky. Hope this helps with any information going forward.

  • Nick

    Nick Des Moines, IA

    I worked as a pastor in a church previously and we had those split doors on the infants rooms so that they couldn't crawl out and parents could still have their kid handed to them after service. Also, I watched the video of the car driving around the gun store and also the (super weird) interview of the husband and father in law, and he mentioned having a rental car with Mississippi (?) plates, have they looked into either of them renting a Nissan Altima with MI plates?

    I worked as a pastor in a church previously and we had those split doors on the infants rooms so that they couldn't crawl out and parents could still have their kid handed to them after service.

    Also, I watched the video of the car driving around the gun store and also the (super weird) interview of the husband and father in law, and he mentioned having a rental car with Mississippi (?) plates, have they looked into either of them renting a Nissan Altima with MI plates?

  • Shelby

    Shelby Ohio

    I watched the video after listening to part of the episode. My first thought waa it's a woman. Even after watching the comparison video I am thinking woman. The helmet thing looks to me like a baseball batters helmet with a ski mask under it. I think it's the area around the ears that have me that impression. So freaking creepy.

    I watched the video after listening to part of the episode. My first thought waa it's a woman. Even after watching the comparison video I am thinking woman. The helmet thing looks to me like a baseball batters helmet with a ski mask under it. I think it's the area around the ears that have me that impression. So freaking creepy.

  • Nick

    Nick

    One more thing, my undergrad is in exercise physiology and the turned out feet or "duck feet" as we would call it, is generally seen in overweight individuals due to an overcompensated position of the femurs to allow room for the extra "baggage" or those that generally don't do a lot of lower body dominate training (running, squats, etc.) or do lower body training correctly. Your body adopts the shape you are most in. To summerize... it's the father in law.

    One more thing, my undergrad is in exercise physiology and the turned out feet or "duck feet" as we would call it, is generally seen in overweight individuals due to an overcompensated position of the femurs to allow room for the extra "baggage" or those that generally don't do a lot of lower body dominate training (running, squats, etc.) or do lower body training correctly. Your body adopts the shape you are most in.

    To summerize... it's the father in law.

  • Andrew

    Andrew Oregon

    My thoughts are that this perp was there for another reason. Maybe looking for the security system, and was interrupted. I don't think that they were there to kill her. The chances that someone showing up for the class early is too high. I arrive around the same time as my instructors for my fitness classes. I think she or she was there to find a video of some other thing that they wouldn't want others to see. Maybe an unknown crime from earlier in the week. I think they knew the bldg but not where the security system was housed.

    My thoughts are that this perp was there for another reason. Maybe looking for the security system, and was interrupted. I don't think that they were there to kill her. The chances that someone showing up for the class early is too high. I arrive around the same time as my instructors for my fitness classes. I think she or she was there to find a video of some other thing that they wouldn't want others to see. Maybe an unknown crime from earlier in the week. I think they knew the bldg but not where the security system was housed.

  • Nick

    Nick

    Actually just one more, I promise! Is it known if this was her home church or if she was just "renting" the space from the church? From one of the above comments it sounds like this specific group exercise class is church based (I'm not familiar). When I worked in ministry the only people who would have keys to the building were staff and "super volunteers" (leaders of Sunday school or worship leaders, etc.) Assuming she didn't call an employee to let her in at 4 in the morning, she must have a key. And if she has a key, my guess is she is a "super volunteer" of this church and whenever we had special things occur, like a group fitness class for instance, it would be announced from stage to make sure everyone knew. Could this guy be a part of the congregation who saw her give the announcement or someone who was potentially in her class? Not sure the size of the congregation, but police went and scouted people's gaits at the rememberance service, couldn't they do the same for a Sunday service? The fact that it seems the murderer is aware that she was going to be in the building, instead of outside, leads me to believe that they were aware of her FB status update, therefore being friends with her or being in a private Gladiator FB group. Ok, that's it, I promise. Until part 2 comes out tonight of course! Also, beer recommendation: Peace Tree Blonde Fatale out of Knoxville, IA. It won a Gold medal in the Belgian-Style Blonde Ale Category in 2014 at the World Beer Cup. It's real good.

    Actually just one more, I promise! Is it known if this was her home church or if she was just "renting" the space from the church? From one of the above comments it sounds like this specific group exercise class is church based (I'm not familiar). When I worked in ministry the only people who would have keys to the building were staff and "super volunteers" (leaders of Sunday school or worship leaders, etc.) Assuming she didn't call an employee to let her in at 4 in the morning, she must have a key. And if she has a key, my guess is she is a "super volunteer" of this church and whenever we had special things occur, like a group fitness class for instance, it would be announced from stage to make sure everyone knew. Could this guy be a part of the congregation who saw her give the announcement or someone who was potentially in her class? Not sure the size of the congregation, but police went and scouted people's gaits at the rememberance service, couldn't they do the same for a Sunday service? The fact that it seems the murderer is aware that she was going to be in the building, instead of outside, leads me to believe that they were aware of her FB status update, therefore being friends with her or being in a private Gladiator FB group. Ok, that's it, I promise. Until part 2 comes out tonight of course!

    Also, beer recommendation: Peace Tree Blonde Fatale out of Knoxville, IA. It won a Gold medal in the Belgian-Style Blonde Ale Category in 2014 at the World Beer Cup. It's real good.

  • Crazylegs

    Crazylegs Chicago

    After watching the video and focusing on the suspect, I definitely feel that the killer is a women who was trying to disguise herself. From the first few steps it reminded me of my wife when she was pregnant and the waddle that she had. Also the way she swings the hammer and tries to pry I definitely feel the doors is very feminine. I would be curious if there was anything missing from the surveillance room. At the end the box in the person’s left hand really looks like a Computer Hardrive that was pulled out of the CPU.

    After watching the video and focusing on the suspect, I definitely feel that the killer is a women who was trying to disguise herself. From the first few steps it reminded me of my wife when she was pregnant and the waddle that she had. Also the way she swings the hammer and tries to pry I definitely feel the doors is very feminine. I would be curious if there was anything missing from the surveillance room. At the end the box in the person’s left hand really looks like a Computer Hardrive that was pulled out of the CPU.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Great discussions here. At Nick - it sounds to me that she was involved with this church more than just the training classes. I don't know to what level but from the things the husband has said Missy was a religious person and involved with her church. So from that statement I'm assuming he meant this church. Thanks, Nic

    Great discussions here.
    At Nick - it sounds to me that she was involved with this church more than just the training classes. I don't know to what level but from the things the husband has said Missy was a religious person and involved with her church. So from that statement I'm assuming he meant this church.
    Thanks,
    Nic

  • Thomas

    Thomas Vancouver

    This video is haunting, so sad. Right away while watching the video I thought to myself that is 100% a woman.

    This video is haunting, so sad. Right away while watching the video I thought to myself that is 100% a woman.

  • JTallroth

    JTallroth

    Interesting to hear from all of you who think it's a woman! Even though I don't agree it's interesting to hear what makes you think that. And you might very well be exactly right! The thing I have problems with is what I (think) I can conclude in regard to the persons body. I see a big gut - typically indicative of a male. I also see what I feel is someone above 5'6"-5'7" in length - not very conclusive. The size of the feet (or boots...) in comparison to the rest of the person looks pretty big to me - indicative of a man. The movement pattern to me feels like it's not a young person, I get the feeling (45)-50-60. I totally agree with the above mentioned fact that the person looks very uncomfortable in the outfit and I think that quite a bit of the strange walk/stance might come from the fact that the person is totally unfamiliar and uncomfortable with the 'outfit' . Also mentioned above; this ain't no pro killer - it looks like someone who's totally out of his/her comfort zone. I get the feeling that he/she planned this out, got the stuff, dressed up and went in to the church possibly wearing the 'outfit' for the first time. That could explain the awkwardness. I've read up on the case since I listened and know about the alibis but still I wonder. Why go to this much trouble (dressing up etc.) if not to disguise yourself from someone you know and who knows you? Can't shake the feeling that this is someone who planned this out to the detail and wanted to cover all of the bases by trying to look like a professional hit man, hide his identity from everyone, including the victim, but failed due to the comple awkwardness that rose from being totally uncomfortable with the 'outfit', situation reality of what he was doing etc. It just looks so totally 'unprofessional'. But then again that's part of why this is such a mystery....

    Interesting to hear from all of you who think it's a woman! Even though I don't agree it's interesting to hear what makes you think that. And you might very well be exactly right! The thing I have problems with is what I (think) I can conclude in regard to the persons body. I see a big gut - typically indicative of a male. I also see what I feel is someone above 5'6"-5'7" in length - not very conclusive. The size of the feet (or boots...) in comparison to the rest of the person looks pretty big to me - indicative of a man. The movement pattern to me feels like it's not a young person, I get the feeling (45)-50-60. I totally agree with the above mentioned fact that the person looks very uncomfortable in the outfit and I think that quite a bit of the strange walk/stance might come from the fact that the person is totally unfamiliar and uncomfortable with the 'outfit' . Also mentioned above; this ain't no pro killer - it looks like someone who's totally out of his/her comfort zone. I get the feeling that he/she planned this out, got the stuff, dressed up and went in to the church possibly wearing the 'outfit' for the first time. That could explain the awkwardness. I've read up on the case since I listened and know about the alibis but still I wonder. Why go to this much trouble (dressing up etc.) if not to disguise yourself from someone you know and who knows you? Can't shake the feeling that this is someone who planned this out to the detail and wanted to cover all of the bases by trying to look like a professional hit man, hide his identity from everyone, including the victim, but failed due to the comple awkwardness that rose from being totally uncomfortable with the 'outfit', situation reality of what he was doing etc. It just looks so totally 'unprofessional'.
    But then again that's part of why this is such a mystery....

  • Mary H

    Mary H Redondo Beach

    Correction to my earlier post. I meant to say "Randy" (not Brandon)

    Correction to my earlier post. I meant to say "Randy" (not Brandon)

  • JTallroth

    JTallroth

    When the person opens the Dutch door the startlement is really obvious! Didn't see that until now. He/she is looking at the handle level, opens the lower door, starts to take a step and you can see the flinch of the head when he/she realizes that the door isn't open. This to me is an obvious sign that the person at least isn't perfectly familiar with the building.

    When the person opens the Dutch door the startlement is really obvious! Didn't see that until now. He/she is looking at the handle level, opens the lower door, starts to take a step and you can see the flinch of the head when he/she realizes that the door isn't open. This to me is an obvious sign that the person at least isn't perfectly familiar with the building.

  • Don H

    Don H Kansas City

    Clearly there is a flashlight on the helmet. After the dutch door, the person must have turned it on because it was dark in that room. After the dutch door you can see reflections of the light on the floor, door on the left and door jam as they walk in to the last hallway.

    Clearly there is a flashlight on the helmet. After the dutch door, the person must have turned it on because it was dark in that room. After the dutch door you can see reflections of the light on the floor, door on the left and door jam as they walk in to the last hallway.

  • Melissa

    Melissa Michigan

    I just finished reading the other comments, it seems the majority rule out the husband. I still feel it's him, maybe it's me but I find it to be a strange coincidence that the killer, just like the husband have the same gaited peg leg like walk, same height and build from what I see. Others are saying he was out of town and has an air tight alibi. Alibis have been fabricated, he was SUPPOSED to be out of town the morning she's killed and he would have known where Missy was and the circumstances surrounding her class that morning. A little to circumstantial for me. JS

    I just finished reading the other comments, it seems the majority rule out the husband. I still feel it's him, maybe it's me but I find it to be a strange coincidence that the killer, just like the husband have the same gaited peg leg like walk, same height and build from what I see. Others are saying he was out of town and has an air tight alibi. Alibis have been fabricated, he was SUPPOSED to be out of town the morning she's killed and he would have known where Missy was and the circumstances surrounding her class that morning. A little to circumstantial for me. JS

  • Bryan

    Bryan Central Illinois

    Why is everyone pointing at the husband, when it's obviously Randy Bever who is Missy's father-in-law, not husband. His gait matches and his height looks to be about right to. What about motive though? I haven't finished the episode yet and maybe Nic and The Captain get into that in another episode(?), so I guess that remains to be seen (err, heard).

    Why is everyone pointing at the husband, when it's obviously Randy Bever who is Missy's father-in-law, not husband. His gait matches and his height looks to be about right to. What about motive though? I haven't finished the episode yet and maybe Nic and The Captain get into that in another episode(?), so I guess that remains to be seen (err, heard).

  • Anne

    Anne ATX

    This is probably really silly but I think Brandon's (husbands father?) gait/build is more similar. I know it isn't likely but just throwing it out there. Can't wait for part deux!

    This is probably really silly but I think Brandon's (husbands father?) gait/build is more similar. I know it isn't likely but just throwing it out there. Can't wait for part deux!

  • Reb

    Reb DC

    Listened to the episode this morning and finally got around to watching the video this afternoon, and even though its the middle of the day in a packed office, I'm still totally creeped out! I have a couple of question about the video that maybe you could answer: 1. Were the cameras motion censored? 2. Have the police ever provided any information regarding the timing between the moves to different cameras? Do we know how long these angles were spread apart, and therefore able to determine how long the man or lady was wondering around the building off camera? THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SHOW. Although, I may have to sleep with the light on tonight.

    Listened to the episode this morning and finally got around to watching the video this afternoon, and even though its the middle of the day in a packed office, I'm still totally creeped out! I have a couple of question about the video that maybe you could answer:
    1. Were the cameras motion censored?
    2. Have the police ever provided any information regarding the timing between the moves to different cameras? Do we know how long these angles were spread apart, and therefore able to determine how long the man or lady was wondering around the building off camera?
    THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SHOW. Although, I may have to sleep with the light on tonight.

  • JTallroth

    JTallroth

    [quote=Melissa] I just finished reading the other comments, it seems the majority rule out the husband. I still feel it's him, maybe it's me but I find it to be a strange coincidence that the killer, just like the husband have the same gaited peg leg like walk, same height and build from what I see. Others are saying he was out of town and has an air tight alibi. Alibis have been fabricated, he was SUPPOSED to be out of town the morning she's killed and he would have known where Missy was and the circumstances surrounding her class that morning. A little to circumstantial for me. JS [/quote] I share your feeling... If it walks like a duck etc... (no pun intended)...

    Melissa wrote:

    I just finished reading the other comments, it seems the majority rule out the husband. I still feel it's him, maybe it's me but I find it to be a strange coincidence that the killer, just like the husband have the same gaited peg leg like walk, same height and build from what I see. Others are saying he was out of town and has an air tight alibi. Alibis have been fabricated, he was SUPPOSED to be out of town the morning she's killed and he would have known where Missy was and the circumstances surrounding her class that morning. A little to circumstantial for me. JS

    I share your feeling... If it walks like a duck etc... (no pun intended)...

  • Greg

    Greg Paris, KY

    My first thought. The hammer looks more like a small sledge hammer rather than a claw hammer. The size of it in the video looks like hand held sledge hammer. Also, some of the doors are "school doors" I don't know the real term. They have the glass with the wire inside. A claw hammer would take way too long to get through the wire windows. My second thought. This was not a robbery. She was targeted. Why wear all of the swat gear if you just trying to pretend to be the police. It gives you a lot less mobility. This person wore this to protect themselves from her in case there was a struggle.

    My first thought. The hammer looks more like a small sledge hammer rather than a claw hammer. The size of it in the video looks like hand held sledge hammer. Also, some of the doors are "school doors" I don't know the real term. They have the glass with the wire inside. A claw hammer would take way too long to get through the wire windows.
    My second thought. This was not a robbery. She was targeted. Why wear all of the swat gear if you just trying to pretend to be the police. It gives you a lot less mobility. This person wore this to protect themselves from her in case there was a struggle.

  • Moby Dick

    Moby Dick Pennsylvania

    Listening to this now and being familiar with the inner workings of a church in a smallish town, I don't think it was a robbery that Missy accidentally came across. Yeah, people go for the cash in an office safe somewhere but there is no need to walk all over looking for it. If people go after a church, they will tend to try and break into the sanctuary part itself and go for the silver and gold (Candlesticks, crosses, etc).

    Listening to this now and being familiar with the inner workings of a church in a smallish town, I don't think it was a robbery that Missy accidentally came across. Yeah, people go for the cash in an office safe somewhere but there is no need to walk all over looking for it. If people go after a church, they will tend to try and break into the sanctuary part itself and go for the silver and gold (Candlesticks, crosses, etc).

  • Noah

    Noah Oregon

    It looks to me like the white box-shaped object in his hand could be a high pressure sodium light bulb in a box judging by the shape and what appears to be a picture on the outside of the box.

    It looks to me like the white box-shaped object in his hand could be a high pressure sodium light bulb in a box judging by the shape and what appears to be a picture on the outside of the box.

  • Sleuth

    Sleuth Parts Unknown

    I think this is a woman and that the shoes are too big causing the weird duck walk. The question is why is this person really there because I don't think a straight up robbery is the motive. Possibly they are wearing all that gear to a) appear male and b) not be challenged if someone should walk in. They are very nonchalant they appear to be looking for something in particular but do not know where it is, like someone on an assignment. Just strange!

    I think this is a woman and that the shoes are too big causing the weird duck walk. The question is why is this person really there because I don't think a straight up robbery is the motive. Possibly they are wearing all that gear to a) appear male and b) not be challenged if someone should walk in. They are very nonchalant they appear to be looking for something in particular but do not know where it is, like someone on an assignment. Just strange!

  • Tina

    Tina Phoenix

    I watched the video after it was said there was discrepancy between male or female. I paused the podcast and watched the video before any opinion could be inferred. To me it was blatantly obvious this is a female. Within the first 10-20 seconds of when 'she' walks out of the door and tries to pry open the next door, I knew immediately it is a female from the walk. What REALLY does it for me is when 'she' can't open the door with the pry bar 'she' shifts her hips and weight onto her right side and takes a feminine stance on 'her' left leg. Done. Those mannerisms are instinctual. 'She's' not faking that, it's a female...... And, yeah, as the video goes on and the hammer is basically swung from the wrist rather than the shoulder and elbow... it's a female. I asked my Husband to watch the video not telling him anything. Asking what is the gender (so neither male or female would be said first). Same thing, within 30 seconds he said 'female'. I asked 'why?' Without any prompting he said - "because she doesn't know how to use a pry bar. "

    I watched the video after it was said there was discrepancy between male or female. I paused the podcast and watched the video before any opinion could be inferred. To me it was blatantly obvious this is a female. Within the first 10-20 seconds of when 'she' walks out of the door and tries to pry open the next door, I knew immediately it is a female from the walk. What REALLY does it for me is when 'she' can't open the door with the pry bar 'she' shifts her hips and weight onto her right side and takes a feminine stance on 'her' left leg. Done. Those mannerisms are instinctual. 'She's' not faking that, it's a female...... And, yeah, as the video goes on and the hammer is basically swung from the wrist rather than the shoulder and elbow... it's a female. I asked my Husband to watch the video not telling him anything. Asking what is the gender (so neither male or female would be said first). Same thing, within 30 seconds he said 'female'. I asked 'why?' Without any prompting he said - "because she doesn't know how to use a pry bar. "

  • Melissa

    Melissa Michigan

    My Bad , I was under the impression that Randy was her husband. The similarities are definitely with the father in law then. I still think the husband was involved. Looks like The FIL did the deed and the whole thing was probably set up with the husband. This provides an alibi for him, while he gives the details to his dad on Missy's Whereabouts and plans for the morning. There is no doubt in my mind that the killer and the FIL are the same person!!

    My Bad , I was under the impression that Randy was her husband. The similarities are definitely with the father in law then. I still think the husband was involved. Looks like The FIL did the deed and the whole thing was probably set up with the husband. This provides an alibi for him, while he gives the details to his dad on Missy's Whereabouts and plans for the morning. There is no doubt in my mind that the killer and the FIL are the same person!!

  • JTallroth

    JTallroth

    Great second episode! I totally get The Captains anger/frustration! This case should be solved. I'm leaning towards the husband & father in law - alibis can be manufactured and hiding in plain sight is not unheard of. This case is so strange - could it be 'the perfect crime'? Manufacture a ironclad alibi, cooperate with the police, stay in sight and continue as usual. That could make it unsolvable. Lots of red flags but nothing substantial for the police to grab on to. My gut feeling says that the husband and his father are involved. Everything checks out a bit to good...

    Great second episode! I totally get The Captains anger/frustration! This case should be solved. I'm leaning towards the husband & father in law - alibis can be manufactured and hiding in plain sight is not unheard of. This case is so strange - could it be 'the perfect crime'? Manufacture a ironclad alibi, cooperate with the police, stay in sight and continue as usual. That could make it unsolvable. Lots of red flags but nothing substantial for the police to grab on to. My gut feeling says that the husband and his father are involved. Everything checks out a bit to good...

  • Reb

    Reb

    One other question, does anyone know of a map of the layout of the church?

    One other question, does anyone know of a map of the layout of the church?

  • Michelle

    Michelle Cottage Grove, MN

    The person in the police gear is not very tall at all. Maybe about 5'3". My first impression was it was female. The guy in the pink shirt seems too tall to be the person in the police gear. But, the gait is very similar.

    The person in the police gear is not very tall at all. Maybe about 5'3". My first impression was it was female. The guy in the pink shirt seems too tall to be the person in the police gear. But, the gait is very similar.

  • Chrissy

    Chrissy

    Watch how the husband walks and where his left hand goes mid gate. Pretty darn close to the videos.

    Watch how the husband walks and where his left hand goes mid gate. Pretty darn close to the videos.

  • Melissa

    Melissa Michigan

    Listened to part 2. Still not convinced it was not the husband/FIL. Still to many similarities in the gait, height, build etc for me to be convinced. Guilty people, if their smart won't give interviews because they never know what the questions will be. They hide behind their phones, Computers and answer questions. They say they will only give statements and then answer questions they feel comfortable with that puts them in a positive light. They are cooperative with authorities because if not they look guilty. An innocent husband who is asked what their murdered wife meant to him says more than "we went fishing and we went to the beach" where is "she was my life, my soulmate. I loved her with all of my heart. I don't know how I'll go on without her. " not "yeah she had a great physique for a woman her age with three kids" I just wasnt feeling it. Alibi or no alibi. Alibis can be created and fabricated if planned enough. The only alibi I would believe would be actually seeing these people with my own eyes, other than that , nope. Now there are affairs and financial difficulties that come to light. Motive. Not buying any of it. They know more than what they're saying. They are guilty.

    Listened to part 2. Still not convinced it was not the husband/FIL. Still to many similarities in the gait, height, build etc for me to be convinced. Guilty people, if their smart won't give interviews because they never know what the questions will be. They hide behind their phones, Computers and answer questions. They say they will only give statements and then answer questions they feel comfortable with that puts them in a positive light. They are cooperative with authorities because if not they look guilty. An innocent husband who is asked what their murdered wife meant to him says more than "we went fishing and we went to the beach" where is "she was my life, my soulmate. I loved her with all of my heart. I don't know how I'll go on without her. " not "yeah she had a great physique for a woman her age with three kids" I just wasnt feeling it. Alibi or no alibi. Alibis can be created and fabricated if planned enough. The only alibi I would believe would be actually seeing these people with my own eyes, other than that , nope. Now there are affairs and financial difficulties that come to light. Motive. Not buying any of it. They know more than what they're saying. They are guilty.

  • Beth

    Beth Baltimore

    I watched theses videos before listening to the case or reading the comments so I wouldn't swayed in my opinions. The first thing I thought while watching this was that this was a woman who was all dressed up.

    I watched theses videos before listening to the case or reading the comments so I wouldn't swayed in my opinions. The first thing I thought while watching this was that this was a woman who was all dressed up.

  • Alwaze

    Alwaze Maryland

    Not the same gait. The surveillance video is of a woman. The right foot is injured and is pointed outwards. (Much like my recent injury of a broken toe). Also the surveillance video individual clearly has a neck unlike the the father in law. His gait is more of a back injury and he carries himself stiffly. The surveillance video of the woman is mobile but has foot injury and stuffing in her coat. I bet she even attended the camp class previously to gather information on the victim. So it's some female who recently joined.

    Not the same gait. The surveillance video is of a woman. The right foot is injured and is pointed outwards. (Much like my recent injury of a broken toe). Also the surveillance video individual clearly has a neck unlike the the father in law. His gait is more of a back injury and he carries himself stiffly. The surveillance video of the woman is mobile but has foot injury and stuffing in her coat. I bet she even attended the camp class previously to gather information on the victim. So it's some female who recently joined.

  • Lysa

    Lysa Salem

    All I see is a woman.

    All I see is a woman.

  • Wskytits

    Wskytits San Jose

    I'd bet dollars to donuts that the person in this video is a female.

    I'd bet dollars to donuts that the person in this video is a female.

  • Robin

    Robin Portland

    The gun store Swfa has another video posted on you tube titled 01232016. Check it out. Another funny walking Texan Robin

    The gun store Swfa has another video posted on you tube titled 01232016. Check it out. Another funny walking Texan

    Robin

  • Daryle

    Daryle Iowa

    By the way this person stands and swings the hammer it looks like a woman. At the very beginning when they are walking down the hallway "she" keeps touching the wall. Could this be to balance herself as she possibly just hurt her foot/leg while trying to break in.? This would explain the strange walk. Also, from experience, when you have a bad foot or leg your other foot will compensate for balance by pointing outward.

    By the way this person stands and swings the hammer it looks like a woman. At the very beginning when they are walking down the hallway "she" keeps touching the wall. Could this be to balance herself as she possibly just hurt her foot/leg while trying to break in.? This would explain the strange walk. Also, from experience, when you have a bad foot or leg your other foot will compensate for balance by pointing outward.

  • Brea

    Brea Madison, Wi

    The first few times I watched the video I was convinced it was a man who had a hammer toes (can cause an awkward gate and some imbalance). After reading the comments and watching it again, I'm convinced it's either a women or a teenage boy. I think the awkward gait comes from the fact that they may be wearing layers of clothes to bulk up and I do think the shoes are larger than what the person would wear. They don't appear to really know how to use the tools. The person that mentioned the "knee pop" really changed my thinking, yes the gait and body appearance leans masculine, but those subtle movements do strike me as feminine. They seem to know that the church is empty, they are walking in a way suggesting they know they are alone. I don't think they know that there are cameras. Perhaps they thought if there's no alarm, there won't be cameras. But they aren't really doing anything other than causing a little bit of damage, perhaps just enough damage to make it look like the place was being robbed. And if that's your plan, and you have the opportunity, do it before the crime, not after so your getaway can be quick. Also, they killed her at the front door, which would be perfect timing. Kill her before she sees the damage and make a quick getaway. I would love to know if there was damage/open doors in the area in which she entered. The car video is chilling; it has to be related, it's just too strange. The only thing I think could possibly make sense (if they aren't the killer) is if they were planning on napping there for a bit and were checking it out and decided against it. If you watch the surveillance of the car, at one point they flip on their lights quickly and stop when they notice other cars. They then turn their lights off then back on quickly. I agree that they are probably very nervous and they may have tried to trip any alarm that was their and are scoping it out. That nervousness also reminds me of their reaction when the dutch door doesn't open all of the way. I know when I'm scared or on edge, silly things startle me very easily. Given that they are easily startled, awkward with the tools, trying very hard to disguise (and protect?) themselves and are randomly smashing things up (but no seeming to take time to look through stuff), I believe it was a planned, targeted attack.

    The first few times I watched the video I was convinced it was a man who had a hammer toes (can cause an awkward gate and some imbalance). After reading the comments and watching it again, I'm convinced it's either a women or a teenage boy. I think the awkward gait comes from the fact that they may be wearing layers of clothes to bulk up and I do think the shoes are larger than what the person would wear. They don't appear to really know how to use the tools. The person that mentioned the "knee pop" really changed my thinking, yes the gait and body appearance leans masculine, but those subtle movements do strike me as feminine. They seem to know that the church is empty, they are walking in a way suggesting they know they are alone. I don't think they know that there are cameras. Perhaps they thought if there's no alarm, there won't be cameras. But they aren't really doing anything other than causing a little bit of damage, perhaps just enough damage to make it look like the place was being robbed. And if that's your plan, and you have the opportunity, do it before the crime, not after so your getaway can be quick. Also, they killed her at the front door, which would be perfect timing. Kill her before she sees the damage and make a quick getaway. I would love to know if there was damage/open doors in the area in which she entered.

    The car video is chilling; it has to be related, it's just too strange. The only thing I think could possibly make sense (if they aren't the killer) is if they were planning on napping there for a bit and were checking it out and decided against it. If you watch the surveillance of the car, at one point they flip on their lights quickly and stop when they notice other cars. They then turn their lights off then back on quickly. I agree that they are probably very nervous and they may have tried to trip any alarm that was their and are scoping it out. That nervousness also reminds me of their reaction when the dutch door doesn't open all of the way. I know when I'm scared or on edge, silly things startle me very easily.

    Given that they are easily startled, awkward with the tools, trying very hard to disguise (and protect?) themselves and are randomly smashing things up (but no seeming to take time to look through stuff), I believe it was a planned, targeted attack.

  • Richie

    Richie Los Angeles

    Definitely looks like a woman who is wearing too big of shoes. Also that white box is in the pocket from the beginning of video, then later brought our and carried. Tool kit?

    Definitely looks like a woman who is wearing too big of shoes. Also that white box is in the pocket from the beginning of video, then later brought our and carried. Tool kit?

  • Ciara

    Ciara Ireland

    Kind obvious it was one of them or someone related. that walk is way to unique. Unless someone is really clever and trying to copy their walk.

    Kind obvious it was one of them or someone related. that walk is way to unique. Unless someone is really clever and trying to copy their walk.

  • Karla

    Karla Texas

    First impression-it's a pregnant woman's walk.....the waddle and walking (bare with me it's hard to describle, but if you've ever been pregnant you'll get what I'm trying to say) with your shoulders/arms and legs out to try and balance the weight of you belly, looks just like that. Did they ever look into any pregnant woman know to Missy or the husband?

    First impression-it's a pregnant woman's walk.....the waddle and walking (bare with me it's hard to describle, but if you've ever been pregnant you'll get what I'm trying to say) with your shoulders/arms and legs out to try and balance the weight of you belly, looks just like that. Did they ever look into any pregnant woman know to Missy or the husband?

  • Jenn

    Jenn Brenham, TX

    The person in the church seems to have a relaxed body language. They also seem moderately comfortable and/or familiar with his/her surroundings. If you look at how the person opens the Dutch door, that's more how a man would open a door (with a bit more force than a woman typically would.). Another reason I believe this person is a man, and probably a man in his mid-40's to mid-60's is the gate and the body posture when walking. Not to be too gross or graphic, but middle age and older men frequently have an enlarged prostate which can effect how they walk (I've heard it referred to as "walking around your prostate".). The build of the person is very much a man (far lass curves than women usually possess).

    The person in the church seems to have a relaxed body language. They also seem moderately comfortable and/or familiar with his/her surroundings. If you look at how the person opens the Dutch door, that's more how a man would open a door (with a bit more force than a woman typically would.). Another reason I believe this person is a man, and probably a man in his mid-40's to mid-60's is the gate and the body posture when walking. Not to be too gross or graphic, but middle age and older men frequently have an enlarged prostate which can effect how they walk (I've heard it referred to as "walking around your prostate".). The build of the person is very much a man (far lass curves than women usually possess).

  • Penny

    Penny

    OMG It was definitely the FIL. There is no doubt in my mind and I'm a bit psychic. I know that sounds dumbass but I cannot tell you the feeling I got when I watched the comparison tape. Watch how said FIL wipes his sweaty left palm on his shorts after he enters through the door. No boys, I'll bet you a slab of Queensland's finest fourex bitter that this is there man. Does anyone know if the wife was present when the dog accident happened and yeah so the vet confirmed the story but what if old FIL made it look like it was a dog fight or whatever. I mean if your husband came to you and told you that he thinks he's killed his DIL do you really believe that you would dob him in to the cops. Especially if your in your retirement & twilight years and life is pretty good? I think Randy was overcome with rage and anger when maybe his son confided in him that his wife may have been carrying on 'infidelity' (or so it's rumoured) and what if, just what if, Randy has seen how infidelity has hurt his son in either a previous relationship or this very same relationship with Missy. Parents do anything to protect their kids no matter how old. If I were the police I would go back to the dog accident report and vet and just cross all the 't's on that one. It's hands down the FIL. Love yer work guys. I hope they get some answers soon. Sending Aussie hugs.

    OMG It was definitely the FIL. There is no doubt in my mind and I'm a bit psychic. I know that sounds dumbass but I cannot tell you the feeling I got when I watched the comparison tape. Watch how said FIL wipes his sweaty left palm on his shorts after he enters through the door. No boys, I'll bet you a slab of Queensland's finest fourex bitter that this is there man. Does anyone know if the wife was present when the dog accident happened and yeah so the vet confirmed the story but what if old FIL made it look like it was a dog fight or whatever. I mean if your husband came to you and told you that he thinks he's killed his DIL do you really believe that you would dob him in to the cops. Especially if your in your retirement & twilight years and life is pretty good? I think Randy was overcome with rage and anger when maybe his son confided in him that his wife may have been carrying on 'infidelity' (or so it's rumoured) and what if, just what if, Randy has seen how infidelity has hurt his son in either a previous relationship or this very same relationship with Missy. Parents do anything to protect their kids no matter how old. If I were the police I would go back to the dog accident report and vet and just cross all the 't's on that one. It's hands down the FIL. Love yer work guys. I hope they get some answers soon. Sending Aussie hugs.

  • Todd

    Todd

    Great job as always on this case! I just listened to part 2 and I had not heard about an Austin connection. I will now be looking into that angle! I'm glad u covered the SFWA footage as I also believe that car is a piece of this puzzle.

    Great job as always on this case! I just listened to part 2 and I had not heard about an Austin connection. I will now be looking into that angle! I'm glad u covered the SFWA footage as I also believe that car is a piece of this puzzle.

  • Kel

    Kel Kansas

    To me, the hammer looks like a rock pick or geology hammer. It would explain the reports of puncture wounds, and the police initially not releasing any info about the weapon used. It's not a common hammer for someone to have, so they might have thought that could be important information to keep held back.

    To me, the hammer looks like a rock pick or geology hammer. It would explain the reports of puncture wounds, and the police initially not releasing any info about the weapon used. It's not a common hammer for someone to have, so they might have thought that could be important information to keep held back.

  • Amanda

    Amanda Columbus, Ohio

    My first impression is that this is an adolescent boy wearing clothing and shoes much too large for him. The ridiculous get-up smacks to me like the move of a teenager who has engaged in one too many role playing games. The same can be said for his meandering and seemingly lack of purpose.

    My first impression is that this is an adolescent boy wearing clothing and shoes much too large for him. The ridiculous get-up smacks to me like the move of a teenager who has engaged in one too many role playing games. The same can be said for his meandering and seemingly lack of purpose.

  • Dani

    Dani Columbus, OH

    Here are my thoughts... Looking at :53 in the video, the person seems to be wearing shin guards - like those used in Motocross, with their pants pulled over them. The shoes look to be about 2 sizes too big and it also looks like there is something stuffed in the belly area of the vest. I don't think that this is "natural" body fat because of (a) how it moves and (b) the size of the person's arms and legs in conjunction to the body. The person is definitely white. The helmet is most likely a Motocross high gloss black or a Motorcycle high gloss black. I used to have a helmet like this and feel fairly certain this is not a police tactical helmet. You can see the visor of the helmet in many shots. I also feel like there is not a face shield on it, but the person is wearing some sort of black mask to cover their mouth/nose area. There are several times when the person turns and the light should reflect off a visor but never does. The way the person swings the hammer and shifts their weight makes me feel like it is a woman who is wearing large, cumbersome gear. Something she is not familiar with. I think Missy was targeted. I have read other posts about it being too risky because other CG goers might be early. But this is a large church that has now been scoped out for 30+ minutes by the killer and so the would-be killer can easily duck into a room and hide if she weren't able to kill Missy because of any interruptions. Or if a person were to show up shortly after the killing of Missy, the person would likely be attending to Missy and not searching the church for her killer. They would also likely be on the phone with 911 so the killer could quietly sneak out if needed. I think the husband was also having an affair and the other woman became jealous and killed Missy. Or one of the guys Missy was flirting with or seeing was either married or in a relationship and that woman targeted Missy. And I have to add that it is fairly sketchy that the husband couldn't say anything about what Missy meant to him in particular, when asked by reporters. He talked about her being a good mother (didn't elaborate on wife), talked about her body (but not her smile, warmth, love, smell, dinners, memories, etc.).

    Here are my thoughts...
    Looking at :53 in the video, the person seems to be wearing shin guards - like those used in Motocross, with their pants pulled over them. The shoes look to be about 2 sizes too big and it also looks like there is something stuffed in the belly area of the vest. I don't think that this is "natural" body fat because of (a) how it moves and (b) the size of the person's arms and legs in conjunction to the body.

    The person is definitely white.

    The helmet is most likely a Motocross high gloss black or a Motorcycle high gloss black. I used to have a helmet like this and feel fairly certain this is not a police tactical helmet. You can see the visor of the helmet in many shots. I also feel like there is not a face shield on it, but the person is wearing some sort of black mask to cover their mouth/nose area. There are several times when the person turns and the light should reflect off a visor but never does.

    The way the person swings the hammer and shifts their weight makes me feel like it is a woman who is wearing large, cumbersome gear. Something she is not familiar with.

    I think Missy was targeted. I have read other posts about it being too risky because other CG goers might be early. But this is a large church that has now been scoped out for 30+ minutes by the killer and so the would-be killer can easily duck into a room and hide if she weren't able to kill Missy because of any interruptions. Or if a person were to show up shortly after the killing of Missy, the person would likely be attending to Missy and not searching the church for her killer. They would also likely be on the phone with 911 so the killer could quietly sneak out if needed.

    I think the husband was also having an affair and the other woman became jealous and killed Missy. Or one of the guys Missy was flirting with or seeing was either married or in a relationship and that woman targeted Missy. And I have to add that it is fairly sketchy that the husband couldn't say anything about what Missy meant to him in particular, when asked by reporters. He talked about her being a good mother (didn't elaborate on wife), talked about her body (but not her smile, warmth, love, smell, dinners, memories, etc.).

  • Patti

    Patti California

    This video is so creepy...I do think it's a women and might be crazy but almost think it could be a pregnant women?? Which is what could give her that walk I do think the shoes are also too large. I know is seems unlikely that a pregnant women would go murder someone but is you were sleeping around with her husband....

    This video is so creepy...I do think it's a women and might be crazy but almost think it could be a pregnant women?? Which is what could give her that walk I do think the shoes are also too large. I know is seems unlikely that a pregnant women would go murder someone but is you were sleeping around with her husband....

  • Blair

    Blair Maryland

    When I watch both videos it seems pretty clear to me that Randy Bevers is the killer. His height, body shape, gait, and the way he holds his arms when he walks, it looks the exactly same to me. I know that supposedly the father has an alibi but maybe both parents were involved and the mother lied to the police. My other thought is that in the first video it looks like the person is just walking around nervously, waiting for Missy to enter the building. There's no way that person broke in to steal something, he's clearly not looking for money or valuables. He wore the tactical "costume" because he knew about the cameras. It all suggests that Missy was targeted and in most cases it's the husband or another family member. I think this case will eventually be solved and multiple family members will be arrested.

    When I watch both videos it seems pretty clear to me that Randy Bevers is the killer. His height, body shape, gait, and the way he holds his arms when he walks, it looks the exactly same to me. I know that supposedly the father has an alibi but maybe both parents were involved and the mother lied to the police. My other thought is that in the first video it looks like the person is just walking around nervously, waiting for Missy to enter the building. There's no way that person broke in to steal something, he's clearly not looking for money or valuables. He wore the tactical "costume" because he knew about the cameras. It all suggests that Missy was targeted and in most cases it's the husband or another family member. I think this case will eventually be solved and multiple family members will be arrested.

  • Steph

    Steph FL

    I see a flashlight on the helmet. It flashes on the floor and toward the camera at times. Definitely a planned event, maybe by somebody who attended and was involved somehow with the church. A tactical pen can leave puncture wounds. This person looks like they would have tactical weapons of some sort. I bet Missy was more alert to possible dangers in the parking lot and never expected danger to be inside a locked building.

    I see a flashlight on the helmet. It flashes on the floor and toward the camera at times. Definitely a planned event, maybe by somebody who attended and was involved somehow with the church. A tactical pen can leave puncture wounds. This person looks like they would have tactical weapons of some sort. I bet Missy was more alert to possible dangers in the parking lot and never expected danger to be inside a locked building.

  • Kate

    Kate Kansas

    I think this is a person with special needs. I think it's someone who lives nearby and has an interest in police, maybe even the adult or teen child or sibling of an officer. Someone with a police costume they've put together to pretend to be a cop. I think they saw something and got way overzealous "investigating" it, which is what they were doing opening doors at the church and wandering around. I think Missy came in and he/she thought she was a robber so they attacked and didn't know when to stop.

    I think this is a person with special needs. I think it's someone who lives nearby and has an interest in police, maybe even the adult or teen child or sibling of an officer. Someone with a police costume they've put together to pretend to be a cop. I think they saw something and got way overzealous "investigating" it, which is what they were doing opening doors at the church and wandering around. I think Missy came in and he/she thought she was a robber so they attacked and didn't know when to stop.

  • Lisa

    Lisa Pittsburg, CA

    That's a woman in my book. Although, I have to agree the way they both walk is strikingly similar, being a woman myself, I can just tell that the suspect is female just by the movements & mannerisms. Gosh, this video is creepy!!!

    That's a woman in my book. Although, I have to agree the way they both walk is strikingly similar, being a woman myself, I can just tell that the suspect is female just by the movements & mannerisms. Gosh, this video is creepy!!!

  • PK

    PK

    I've just started ep2 and heard the interview with the husband. Whats interesting to me is that he refers to his wife in different ways depending on whether he is speaking directly about the murder, or about her outside of the murder. When he's speaking of the murder, he uses terms like 'her', 'my wife' and 'she'. When he talks about their past however, he frequently uses her name, Missy. From what I've heard psych detectives talk about in the past, this could be the effect of him internally trying to distance himself from her as a murder victim, while retaining her memory as a spouse. Apparently, this is often seen when interviewing people who are directly involved with family member's deaths. I don't believe that the husband actually did it, but I'm convinced he's involved somehow... Just more to think about I guess. Great show BTW!

    I've just started ep2 and heard the interview with the husband. Whats interesting to me is that he refers to his wife in different ways depending on whether he is speaking directly about the murder, or about her outside of the murder. When he's speaking of the murder, he uses terms like 'her', 'my wife' and 'she'. When he talks about their past however, he frequently uses her name, Missy. From what I've heard psych detectives talk about in the past, this could be the effect of him internally trying to distance himself from her as a murder victim, while retaining her memory as a spouse. Apparently, this is often seen when interviewing people who are directly involved with family member's deaths. I don't believe that the husband actually did it, but I'm convinced he's involved somehow... Just more to think about I guess. Great show BTW!

  • Tonya

    Tonya Indiana

    Could this gait and small stature be indicative of one of Missy's former special needs students? Maybe one had a crush, or thought they'd play a game or surprise her with a costume.

    Could this gait and small stature be indicative of one of Missy's former special needs students? Maybe one had a crush, or thought they'd play a game or surprise her with a costume.

  • Penny

    Penny

    It is NOT a woman and @Patti it is most certainly NOT A Pregnant woman; what pregnant woman in their right might would endanger their baby NAH

    It is NOT a woman and @Patti it is most certainly NOT A Pregnant woman; what pregnant woman in their right might would endanger their baby NAH

  • PunkRockFarm

    PunkRockFarm Www.relentlesslycrooked.com

    The father-in-law has Scoliosis/kyphosis (Kyphosis is also known as humpback) which will make you have a strange gait, like turning your feet out. But when you watch the surveillance video, the unidentified suspect does not seem to have the same spine disease. S/He moves his/her neck easily enough to look down at his/her"utility belt". The Surveillance person has far too much upper body rotation and mobility to be the father in law. I know everyone is focusing on the feet and gait, but look at the upper back. The lump on the back looks like a bullet proof vest, not kyphosis. The hump isn't properly high enough. However, it looks like this person KNEW THE FATHER IN LAW -- and tried to copy his gait to throw off the police. They WAY over exaggerated the right foot facing out. Which will happen when it's not natural.

    The father-in-law has Scoliosis/kyphosis (Kyphosis is also known as humpback) which will make you have a strange gait, like turning your feet out. But when you watch the surveillance video, the unidentified suspect does not seem to have the same spine disease. S/He moves his/her neck easily enough to look down at his/her"utility belt". The Surveillance person has far too much upper body rotation and mobility to be the father in law. I know everyone is focusing on the feet and gait, but look at the upper back. The lump on the back looks like a bullet proof vest, not kyphosis. The hump isn't properly high enough. However, it looks like this person KNEW THE FATHER IN LAW -- and tried to copy his gait to throw off the police. They WAY over exaggerated the right foot facing out. Which will happen when it's not natural.

  • Karen W

    Karen W Lancaster Ca

    First look, absolutely a woman, even going as far as saying (by how she carries her self)bigger boned of African-American descent , confident walk. Hold on! Watched comparison, change that. Randy, wearing boots to big. He has the same "leaned slightly back, arms swinging like they just hang from his shoulders a bit to heavy ".Feet/ lower legs almost pushed out in front with some sort of stiffness on one side. Kind of a "whatever stroll".

    First look, absolutely a woman, even going as far as saying (by how she carries her self)bigger boned of African-American descent , confident walk. Hold on! Watched comparison, change that. Randy, wearing boots to big. He has the same "leaned slightly back, arms swinging like they just hang from his shoulders a bit to heavy ".Feet/ lower legs almost pushed out in front with some sort of stiffness on one side. Kind of a "whatever stroll".

  • PunkRockFarm

    PunkRockFarm Deer Park WA

    0:46-0:53 in surveillance video: WOMAN's stance.

    0:46-0:53 in surveillance video: WOMAN's stance.

  • Leesa

    Leesa Chicago

    Looking at it until all the, the perpetrator looks female to me. There are similar time in the husband and the perp, but to me they're obviously different. The perp walks much more duck-like and is larger than the perp weight wise. The perp looks thick, but not fat. A lot of that weight is the gear they have on. They may also walk weird because they're not used to the heaviness of the gear and boots. Based on the walk, I'd say she's got bad knees. She may have been in dance a long time at one point because as I dancer myself I recognize that "first position" walk. I don't think they were there to rob the place. They are acting way too non-chalant for that. They barely even scope out every room they open. They may not have been waiting for her, but I don't think they were there to rob the place either.

    Looking at it until all the, the perpetrator looks female to me. There are similar time in the husband and the perp, but to me they're obviously different. The perp walks much more duck-like and is larger than the perp weight wise. The perp looks thick, but not fat. A lot of that weight is the gear they have on. They may also walk weird because they're not used to the heaviness of the gear and boots. Based on the walk, I'd say she's got bad knees. She may have been in dance a long time at one point because as I dancer myself I recognize that "first position" walk.

    I don't think they were there to rob the place. They are acting way too non-chalant for that. They barely even scope out every room they open. They may not have been waiting for her, but I don't think they were there to rob the place either.

  • Moakie

    Moakie Iowa

    First off I want to say me and my hubby love your podcast!! We listened to the bever episodes tonight in the car and I had to immediately watch the surveillance video as soon as we got home... after watching the videos the suspect to me actually appears to be highly intoxicated I've been known to grab a few walls to keep my self from falling when I've been drunk before and just watching the first few seconds that's what it appears like to me the person is using their hand along the wall in case they loose balance and the later shots where they are walking in a diagonal line rather than straight down the hall like a sober person would do just more so confirms my suspicions that this person is highly intoxicated and my last clue on that is when they open the two part door they have like a oh! Moment and throw their head back like oh I didn't know it would open like that... idk I just grew up around alcoholics and everything about the mannerisms in the video just scream at me the person is trash drunk... also I am pretty sure the person may be left handed at the second scene in the video when they are putting the pry bar in the door they tap the end of the pry bar with the hammer with their left hand not right yes later on the video it appears they are hitting the wall with the hammer in their right hand but to me that seems like a drunken rage just swinging and wanting to destroy stuff not actually trying to hammer something and when they are hammering the pry bar into the door Jam they are using small taps it doesn't look like they are truly forcefully trying to open the door, I'm a woman and a Fairly handy one at that but I still tap nails with a hammer like a little girl lol and I know men begin hammering with full on force so the hammering to me seems like it could be a women but I am not set on the idea that this person is a woman I just feel like this person is intoxicated and broke into the church because they were intoxicated it doesn't appear to me that they were expecting or waiting for bever but rather that they were in an a church with no one in it and wanted to see what they could wander and find and unfortunately I feel like bever just happened to go in and be in the wrong place at the wrong time idk just my thoughts ...

    First off I want to say me and my hubby love your podcast!! We listened to the bever episodes tonight in the car and I had to immediately watch the surveillance video as soon as we got home... after watching the videos the suspect to me actually appears to be highly intoxicated I've been known to grab a few walls to keep my self from falling when I've been drunk before and just watching the first few seconds that's what it appears like to me the person is using their hand along the wall in case they loose balance and the later shots where they are walking in a diagonal line rather than straight down the hall like a sober person would do just more so confirms my suspicions that this person is highly intoxicated and my last clue on that is when they open the two part door they have like a oh! Moment and throw their head back like oh I didn't know it would open like that... idk I just grew up around alcoholics and everything about the mannerisms in the video just scream at me the person is trash drunk... also I am pretty sure the person may be left handed at the second scene in the video when they are putting the pry bar in the door they tap the end of the pry bar with the hammer with their left hand not right yes later on the video it appears they are hitting the wall with the hammer in their right hand but to me that seems like a drunken rage just swinging and wanting to destroy stuff not actually trying to hammer something and when they are hammering the pry bar into the door Jam they are using small taps it doesn't look like they are truly forcefully trying to open the door, I'm a woman and a Fairly handy one at that but I still tap nails with a hammer like a little girl lol and I know men begin hammering with full on force so the hammering to me seems like it could be a women but I am not set on the idea that this person is a woman I just feel like this person is intoxicated and broke into the church because they were intoxicated it doesn't appear to me that they were expecting or waiting for bever but rather that they were in an a church with no one in it and wanted to see what they could wander and find and unfortunately I feel like bever just happened to go in and be in the wrong place at the wrong time idk just my thoughts ...

  • SB

    SB

    I always try and leave thoughtful comments, but check back and never see my posts. Regardless, I listened to this episode and remember it being in the news. I must admit that the father in law does indeed walk in a very similar manner as the killer. I would be curious to know how air-tight his alibi is and who is vouching for him. If he is on a security camera at a Denny's 100 miles away, and a receipt proving it, then great, it wasn't him. However, if his wife, and two of his friends said he was away with them on a "trip," then I have issues with that alibi. With that said, I am going to give the police the benefit of the doubt here, and assume they fully investigated him before clearing him. Like others, I too, tend to think that this killer is a female. The body type seems off, almost like a water balloon, or a female carrying too much water weight. I think the police attire, and calm demeanor could indicate this person has a strong interest in law enforcement, almost to a delusional extent. I would be curious to know if anyone in Missy's circle, or any fitness student's of hers applied to or attended any police academies, or were rejected when applying. Also, the way this person uses the various tools is very feminine. If this was the father in law, I would bet he knows how to use a hammer and crowbar. He would not be limp wristing it around or be unable to pry open an old door. In short, I believe the killer to be a female who had some interaction with Missy and reason to dislike her or obsess over her. Moreover, I think this woman has an interest in law enforcement, and could actually be lesbian. Perhaps, this is a serial stalker who had an interest in the fitness instructor. Regardless, I think the killer knew Missy would be there, was vaguely familiar with the church, and broke random items and shuffled through a handful of areas to make this scene look like a robbery.

    I always try and leave thoughtful comments, but check back and never see my posts. Regardless, I listened to this episode and remember it being in the news.

    I must admit that the father in law does indeed walk in a very similar manner as the killer. I would be curious to know how air-tight his alibi is and who is vouching for him. If he is on a security camera at a Denny's 100 miles away, and a receipt proving it, then great, it wasn't him. However, if his wife, and two of his friends said he was away with them on a "trip," then I have issues with that alibi.

    With that said, I am going to give the police the benefit of the doubt here, and assume they fully investigated him before clearing him. Like others, I too, tend to think that this killer is a female. The body type seems off, almost like a water balloon, or a female carrying too much water weight. I think the police attire, and calm demeanor could indicate this person has a strong interest in law enforcement, almost to a delusional extent. I would be curious to know if anyone in Missy's circle, or any fitness student's of hers applied to or attended any police academies, or were rejected when applying. Also, the way this person uses the various tools is very feminine. If this was the father in law, I would bet he knows how to use a hammer and crowbar. He would not be limp wristing it around or be unable to pry open an old door.

    In short, I believe the killer to be a female who had some interaction with Missy and reason to dislike her or obsess over her. Moreover, I think this woman has an interest in law enforcement, and could actually be lesbian. Perhaps, this is a serial stalker who had an interest in the fitness instructor. Regardless, I think the killer knew Missy would be there, was vaguely familiar with the church, and broke random items and shuffled through a handful of areas to make this scene look like a robbery.

  • B

    B Arizona

    Hi, I love the show. This case is very interesting to me. At first, when watching the surveillance video, I thought it was a woman. Now, after watching the father-in-law comparison video, I can't seem to get past the similarities between him and the person in the video. I know his alibi checked out, but I find the similarities and the footage extremely strange. I also can't get past how odd and random the person's (in the surveillance video) actions were while roaming the church. It just seemed like they were doing things just to do them. For instance, hitting (what I think) was a wall, just to hit a wall...? It didn't seem like a burglary situation to me. Just... very odd. I feel like it was some kind of distraction. Everyone is so focused on this video, but it really could be anyone. I'm sure the police know more, but right off the bat, this video just seemed like it was intended to throw people off. Not by the police, but by whoever is in it and whoever ultimately took this poor woman's life. Maybe I'm crazy and reading too much into it, but that's just the feeling I keep getting when reviewing the footage. Definitely agree with Nic's idea that there was some kind of deep, twisty motive by someone that knew her.

    Hi,

    I love the show. This case is very interesting to me. At first, when watching the surveillance video, I thought it was a woman. Now, after watching the father-in-law comparison video, I can't seem to get past the similarities between him and the person in the video. I know his alibi checked out, but I find the similarities and the footage extremely strange. I also can't get past how odd and random the person's (in the surveillance video) actions were while roaming the church. It just seemed like they were doing things just to do them. For instance, hitting (what I think) was a wall, just to hit a wall...? It didn't seem like a burglary situation to me. Just... very odd. I feel like it was some kind of distraction. Everyone is so focused on this video, but it really could be anyone. I'm sure the police know more, but right off the bat, this video just seemed like it was intended to throw people off. Not by the police, but by whoever is in it and whoever ultimately took this poor woman's life. Maybe I'm crazy and reading too much into it, but that's just the feeling I keep getting when reviewing the footage.

    Definitely agree with Nic's idea that there was some kind of deep, twisty motive by someone that knew her.

  • Rachael

    Rachael Tamworth

    I think that it is a pregnant female. The walk and the hip sway really makes me think that. Other things that strike me is the hammer blows look feminine to me in the elbow angle and I think the shoes are a bit too big for her which is making her step weirdly also.

    I think that it is a pregnant female. The walk and the hip sway really makes me think that. Other things that strike me is the hammer blows look feminine to me in the elbow angle and I think the shoes are a bit too big for her which is making her step weirdly also.

  • Davey Boy

    Davey Boy

    This is a robbery gone wrong for sure. The fact that this person who I believe is definitely a man is walking around opening doors and smashing walls tells me they are not there to commit a murder. If they were then they would be laying in weight not making all that noise, they are far to relaxed for someone who was planning a murder. You can see they are looking for stuff to take in each room and the box they have was something they found of value. Also I think the reason they started smashing the wall was to get into the locked room as they couldn't open the doors. I think if the CCTV shows the murder then it will be obvious to the detectives they were surprised to see someone there. Plus if Missy was as strong as it is said maybe she tried to stop them or went for her phone to call the police. This is someone who has communication multiple burglaries and will be known to the police, also if this is a small town who's to say Missy didn't recognise her attacker.

    This is a robbery gone wrong for sure. The fact that this person who I believe is definitely a man is walking around opening doors and smashing walls tells me they are not there to commit a murder. If they were then they would be laying in weight not making all that noise, they are far to relaxed for someone who was planning a murder. You can see they are looking for stuff to take in each room and the box they have was something they found of value. Also I think the reason they started smashing the wall was to get into the locked room as they couldn't open the doors. I think if the CCTV shows the murder then it will be obvious to the detectives they were surprised to see someone there. Plus if Missy was as strong as it is said maybe she tried to stop them or went for her phone to call the police. This is someone who has communication multiple burglaries and will be known to the police, also if this is a small town who's to say Missy didn't recognise her attacker.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    @ SB Rarely do we not approve a comment. So I don't know why you wouldn't see your post when you return. We post 90-95% of all of the comments left. The only time we wouldn't post something is if it is a comment attacking someone or if the information is very wrong, we wouldn't post those as not to confuse everyone else reading these. Nic

    @ SB
    Rarely do we not approve a comment. So I don't know why you wouldn't see your post when you return. We post 90-95% of all of the comments left. The only time we wouldn't post something is if it is a comment attacking someone or if the information is very wrong, we wouldn't post those as not to confuse everyone else reading these.
    Nic

  • Cat

    Cat Delaware

    I always raise an eyebrow when a spouse is killed while the other is out of town. Yes, it happens, but it's just too convenient most of the time. Yes, the alibi supposedly checks out, but it can be fabricated (check out the case where the guy who lived in CA had receipts and proof that he was in OH, but turned out he drove back and murdered her). I got the impression that the person is a female. She doesn't do anything with a lot of force, and seems generally uncomfortable in the gear and with the tools. There's also a part where she runs her hand against a wall, showing a very casual and slow pace. If it's truly a robbery,there's a sense of urgency, and they want to get the hell out of there as quickly as possible. There was no rush, and everything is casually moved or slightly broken. Also, did anyone look into Brandon to see if he was having an affair? If so, this woman could be linked to him. So here's my conclusion: Missy is the target. While waiting for Missy, she (maybe he) is casually walking around, causing a little damage here and there to make it look like a possible burglary - leaving pry marks in the door, leaving doors open, breaking some glass - but has no intent of causing too much damage (too noisy) or taking anything. As the time gets closer for Missy to arrive, she surprises Missy at the entrance and kills her. Even though the gear is uncomfortable, she feels it's necessary to protect herself. Missy is fit and strong and could cause damage. A robber generally does not want to be encumbered with excess and uncomfortable clothing, as they usually need to move quickly.

    I always raise an eyebrow when a spouse is killed while the other is out of town. Yes, it happens, but it's just too convenient most of the time. Yes, the alibi supposedly checks out, but it can be fabricated (check out the case where the guy who lived in CA had receipts and proof that he was in OH, but turned out he drove back and murdered her). I got the impression that the person is a female. She doesn't do anything with a lot of force, and seems generally uncomfortable in the gear and with the tools. There's also a part where she runs her hand against a wall, showing a very casual and slow pace. If it's truly a robbery,there's a sense of urgency, and they want to get the hell out of there as quickly as possible. There was no rush, and everything is casually moved or slightly broken. Also, did anyone look into Brandon to see if he was having an affair? If so, this woman could be linked to him. So here's my conclusion:
    Missy is the target.
    While waiting for Missy, she (maybe he) is casually walking around, causing a little damage here and there to make it look like a possible burglary - leaving pry marks in the door, leaving doors open, breaking some glass - but has no intent of causing too much damage (too noisy) or taking anything.
    As the time gets closer for Missy to arrive, she surprises Missy at the entrance and kills her.
    Even though the gear is uncomfortable, she feels it's necessary to protect herself. Missy is fit and strong and could cause damage. A robber generally does not want to be encumbered with excess and uncomfortable clothing, as they usually need to move quickly.

  • Ketch

    Ketch MO

    I think the glossy helmet is a clue but not because it might be a fake helmet. I think it might be more of a clue as to where it came from. My S.O. is in law enforcement and his riot gear has a glossy black helmet. Riot gear typically consists of a shield, a riot stick and a helmet. The purpose of the helmet is just to protect the head in a riot situation, it is not designed to protect the head from a round. SWAT gear however, is completely different. Another thing to keep in mind is that this type of gear is typically stored in an officer's car. This gear could have been taken from a car years or months prior. Sadly, officer's vehicles get broken into on a pretty regular basis. Just my thought based on my own personal life.

    I think the glossy helmet is a clue but not because it might be a fake helmet. I think it might be more of a clue as to where it came from. My S.O. is in law enforcement and his riot gear has a glossy black helmet. Riot gear typically consists of a shield, a riot stick and a helmet. The purpose of the helmet is just to protect the head in a riot situation, it is not designed to protect the head from a round. SWAT gear however, is completely different. Another thing to keep in mind is that this type of gear is typically stored in an officer's car. This gear could have been taken from a car years or months prior. Sadly, officer's vehicles get broken into on a pretty regular basis. Just my thought based on my own personal life.

  • Melissa

    Melissa Michigan

    For all of you convinced this is a woman, how does a woman dressed in oversized clothes and boots attack and over power another woman who was suppedly in very good shape and very fit? She was the teacher of a very intense fitness class, I'm sure she was very strong and from the sounds of it she was attacked from the front. I just think if this were a woman , especially one in layers of clothing and oversized boots, it would have been difficult for her to over power Missy.

    For all of you convinced this is a woman, how does a woman dressed in oversized clothes and boots attack and over power another woman who was suppedly in very good shape and very fit? She was the teacher of a very intense fitness class, I'm sure she was very strong and from the sounds of it she was attacked from the front. I just think if this were a woman , especially one in layers of clothing and oversized boots, it would have been difficult for her to over power Missy.

  • Alyssa

    Alyssa Chicago

    Literally got chills watching the first steps Randy made. His stance is uncanny. The legs are spread rather far apart and he swings his very long arms when he walks with the palms facing backwards. He has a distinct barrel belly common in alcoholics and older men. His back is also slightly hunched. That is absolutely him in the video. Terrifying.

    Literally got chills watching the first steps Randy made. His stance is uncanny. The legs are spread rather far apart and he swings his very long arms when he walks with the palms facing backwards. He has a distinct barrel belly common in alcoholics and older men. His back is also slightly hunched. That is absolutely him in the video. Terrifying.

  • Samantha

    Samantha Kentucky

    In my opinion, that's the walk of someone who is classically trained in dance. After years of training, you will naturally walk with your toes pointed outwards and stand relaxed in "fourth position", without even meaning to.

    In my opinion, that's the walk of someone who is classically trained in dance. After years of training, you will naturally walk with your toes pointed outwards and stand relaxed in "fourth position", without even meaning to.

  • Amber

    Amber North Carolina

    I think this is a woman and it appears to be someone that's overweight. When they get close to camera it looks like they have a large belly. I know this is definitely not the case, but it looks like a pregnant woman with the waddle and the belly lol I don't believe it's the father in law considering he has a rock solid alibi, although the gait is very similar.

    I think this is a woman and it appears to be someone that's overweight. When they get close to camera it looks like they have a large belly. I know this is definitely not the case, but it looks like a pregnant woman with the waddle and the belly lol I don't believe it's the father in law considering he has a rock solid alibi, although the gait is very similar.

  • John

    John WI

    Cool on Captain for not giving into any "Randy Bevers" wisecracks.

    Cool on Captain for not giving into any "Randy Bevers" wisecracks.

  • Laura

    Laura Sammamish, WA

    It's the father-in-law, and the husband knew it would happen. The husband is very thoughtful, almost eloquent in the media recording. I believe the husband was very prepared to talk to the press based on how he came across.

    It's the father-in-law, and the husband knew it would happen. The husband is very thoughtful, almost eloquent in the media recording. I believe the husband was very prepared to talk to the press based on how he came across.

  • emlocke

    emlocke CT

    I lean toward a 'she' with a short, somewhat "squat" frame and a gait indicating an injury or defect to the right leg or even generally poor or lazy posture. The way the POI casually meandered and randomly opened doors and peeked in without entering makes me think she didn't suspect any surveillance at all, so wasn't looking for the home base of the security cameras/recording equipment, but rather scoping out the room where Missy's class was most likely to be held—she could wait there for Missy to arrive and surprise her in a more enclosed space than a hallway, where Missy would have more escape routes. If she'd cased the exterior ahead of time (but not had an opportunity to see the inside of the building) and knew Missy would use a certain entrance, she could break glass to gain entry at another one and not be concerned that Missy would see that and be spooked when she arrived. It is odd that this person left all those open along the way, and I can't see what she's hacking at just out of frame in the last "scene." The oddest part of Brandon's interview was that he seemed sure that there weren't any other cars in the parking lot when Missy arrived. How could he possibly know . . . I occasionally leave my car overnight in my own hometown church's parking lot when I go out with friends and crash with one of them who lives nearby rather than drive home. There are always four or five other cars in the lot. Still, if a stray car parked in the lot would have thrown Missy off, the LEO garb probably would have been an effective disguise for anyone else passing by on the road, especially at such an early hour—who'd think anything of an officer in "uniform" crossing to or from the church, besides "oh, there goes a cop on early AM patrol" and just keep driving? On a somewhat lighter note, I first listened to these episodes while I was sick in bed. At one point, I fell asleep and dreamed that Captain was a drill sargeant-style fitness instructor and Nic and I were in his class. Captain handed out chocolates in white boxes and made us eat them while doing sit-ups. I was like "eff this, let's get out of here; we can slip out the back and he won't even miss us," but Nic was like, "no way, if this sophisticated athlete is willing to train me, I'm doing whatever he says," and started wolfing chocolate and doing the sit-ups. I probably would have left if I hadn't woken up. I have no idea what either of you look like, so I don't know how my unconscious mind knew who was who . . . but obviously the fitness training theme and the white box and the repeated phrase "sophisticated killer" permeated my fever dream. It was weird. Be good. Be kind. Don't litter.

    I lean toward a 'she' with a short, somewhat "squat" frame and a gait indicating an injury or defect to the right leg or even generally poor or lazy posture. The way the POI casually meandered and randomly opened doors and peeked in without entering makes me think she didn't suspect any surveillance at all, so wasn't looking for the home base of the security cameras/recording equipment, but rather scoping out the room where Missy's class was most likely to be held—she could wait there for Missy to arrive and surprise her in a more enclosed space than a hallway, where Missy would have more escape routes. If she'd cased the exterior ahead of time (but not had an opportunity to see the inside of the building) and knew Missy would use a certain entrance, she could break glass to gain entry at another one and not be concerned that Missy would see that and be spooked when she arrived. It is odd that this person left all those open along the way, and I can't see what she's hacking at just out of frame in the last "scene."
    The oddest part of Brandon's interview was that he seemed sure that there weren't any other cars in the parking lot when Missy arrived. How could he possibly know . . . I occasionally leave my car overnight in my own hometown church's parking lot when I go out with friends and crash with one of them who lives nearby rather than drive home. There are always four or five other cars in the lot. Still, if a stray car parked in the lot would have thrown Missy off, the LEO garb probably would have been an effective disguise for anyone else passing by on the road, especially at such an early hour—who'd think anything of an officer in "uniform" crossing to or from the church, besides "oh, there goes a cop on early AM patrol" and just keep driving?
    On a somewhat lighter note, I first listened to these episodes while I was sick in bed. At one point, I fell asleep and dreamed that Captain was a drill sargeant-style fitness instructor and Nic and I were in his class. Captain handed out chocolates in white boxes and made us eat them while doing sit-ups. I was like "eff this, let's get out of here; we can slip out the back and he won't even miss us," but Nic was like, "no way, if this sophisticated athlete is willing to train me, I'm doing whatever he says," and started wolfing chocolate and doing the sit-ups. I probably would have left if I hadn't woken up. I have no idea what either of you look like, so I don't know how my unconscious mind knew who was who . . . but obviously the fitness training theme and the white box and the repeated phrase "sophisticated killer" permeated my fever dream. It was weird. Be good. Be kind. Don't litter.

  • Melanie

    Melanie Alabama

    Love the Podcast! Looking at the video and listening to some of the evidence it struck me that Missy was a very active fitness coach. Very physically fit and if her attacker did target her he/ she had to know that and still chose a physical attack rather than simply shoot her, which is awful too. If this person was willing to get into a physical altercation with someone who was a "Gladiator" coach, they had to be pretty confident in their ability to defend themselves, thus the protective gear. Having said that, I know the Captain has done crossfit, as have I, and it is very intense training. I also would not have the proverbial balls to attack my female coaches physically, unless I was pretty confident in my abilities and strength. (I wouldn't do that to begin with but you see where I am going). Missy was way too physically fit if this person targeted her for a physical attack and they were well protected which proves they knew her strength and ability, What if the killer was either a "rival" instructor or a jealous student? The odd walk could be from soreness due to a tough workout previously. Possibility? Try doing thrusters or squats a day or 2 before the murder and see if you can walk correctly, especially us ladies. I can barely straighten my legs to sit down. Also, might explain the "booty" the Captain mentions seeing. It also may explain why they are having a hard time finding the person as the odd walk is no longer apparent. Additionally, Crosfitters, gym, exercise camps are pretty much a tribe and into promoting where they work out. Could the car decal be from a gym or event this person attended such a as a Spartan Race, Tough Mudder or 5K. Just my two cents! Love the show!

    Love the Podcast! Looking at the video and listening to some of the evidence it struck me that Missy was a very active fitness coach. Very physically fit and if her attacker did target her he/ she had to know that and still chose a physical attack rather than simply shoot her, which is awful too. If this person was willing to get into a physical altercation with someone who was a "Gladiator" coach, they had to be pretty confident in their ability to defend themselves, thus the protective gear. Having said that, I know the Captain has done crossfit, as have I, and it is very intense training. I also would not have the proverbial balls to attack my female coaches physically, unless I was pretty confident in my abilities and strength. (I wouldn't do that to begin with but you see where I am going). Missy was way too physically fit if this person targeted her for a physical attack and they were well protected which proves they knew her strength and ability, What if the killer was either a "rival" instructor or a jealous student? The odd walk could be from soreness due to a tough workout previously. Possibility? Try doing thrusters or squats a day or 2 before the murder and see if you can walk correctly, especially us ladies. I can barely straighten my legs to sit down. Also, might explain the "booty" the Captain mentions seeing. It also may explain why they are having a hard time finding the person as the odd walk is no longer apparent. Additionally, Crosfitters, gym, exercise camps are pretty much a tribe and into promoting where they work out. Could the car decal be from a gym or event this person attended such a as a Spartan Race, Tough Mudder or 5K. Just my two cents! Love the show!

  • ValB

    ValB

    As a forensic social scientist (1 Ph.D. and 2 master's degrees) who is trained in criminal psychology, and offender motivation and decision-making, I offer my professional opinion based solely on the video clips and basic facts of the parts 1 & 2 from the guys. Bear in mind that with only these clips, I must judge them on their own merit without the benefit of the detectives' and medical examiner's reports, case notes, and crime scene photographs. Hence, understand that this means I am making my evaluation without these data. This crime, based on my review of the video, bears very strong indications of staging. First this does not bear the hallmarks of a burglary. Any professional burglar, and not merely someone who is an addict seeking to steal and sell items to support their habit, cases or surveils any possible target location prior to B & E in order to determine the suitability of the target. Suitability is based primarily on risk vs. reward. Do the rewards to be gained from the target sufficiently exceed the potential risks of hitting the target location? If so, the burglar generally proceeds to rob the location. If the rewards are high and the risk is relatively low, this is the ideal scenario for a burglar, but often, even when the risks are potentially high, if the rewards are also high--exceptionally high-- a burglar generally will proceed and attempt to minimize higher risks by taking advanced action (such as recruiting an accomplice, securing special equipment or tools to bypass known factors such as sophisticated motion sensors, etc.). However, when the rewards are low, even when the commensurate risks are also low, a professional burglar will not waste their time on a low-risk/low-reward target. A church is a low risk but low reward target. Assertions by Mr. Bevers and others that the church could have been burgled for its audio/video equipment or anything else, such as church offerings, is extremely unlikely. Most churches use a night drop for church offerings, put them in a safe, or keep them off site somewhere secure. In any event that doesn't matter because to a professional burglar, a church is not generally among their viable potential targets. Second, the subject of the video does not demonstrate burglar behavior. Any burglar, again, surveils their targets in advance of hitting those targets in order to determine the site's worthiness as a viable location to rob, and if it is indeed, to plan the crime itself. No burglar would rob B & E any location without first assessing the level and type of security measures on site (e.g., audio/video & motion sensor control, security guard w/ access control, guard dogs, key card access control, etc.), the site's physical layout with entrance and exit points and any means by which their activity at the site may be observed and documented, the daily/nightly activity and operations at the site (such as business hours or church services, choir practice, etc.) and the specific locations (e.g., rooms, safes, vaults, etc.) within the target site that the burglar wants to access in order to steal specific items. If the subject in the video were actually a burglar there to rob the church, he or she would have gone directly to predetermined locations based on their pre-crime surveillance preparations. At most 10-15 minutes would have been all that was required by a professional burglar to rob whichever valuables they had previously identified to steal during their pre-crime surveillance. No burglar would have spent 30 minutes inside a location--ever. It is not necessary, first of all, and second, the longer a burglar remains at a location, the greater the chance of being caught. Get in, grab items, get out. Quickly. Third, the breaking of glass, the wandering somewhat aimlessly from door to door very indiscriminately, and randomly trying doors and opening them without actually entering rooms or emerging from them with any items, is behavior completely opposite that of a professional burglar. Again, a burglar enters a targeted location, already knows which precise locations at the site they want to get into, they go there, take what they need, and leave. It's a fast-food type of situation, if you will, whereas this subject in the video is having an 8-course meal at a French restaurant complete with violins and wine pairings. Obviously biding their time awaiting someone's arrival= Missy's. Also, with respect to the broken glass, any professional burglar is concerned with minimizing anything that may aid law enforcement in apprehending them. The repeated breaking of glass in the manner demonstrated in the video is high risk behavior. The burglar could have at any time cut themselves thereby risking leaving their DNA behind. Burglars will use a number of tools to enter a building or a room and generally do not need to break glass in order to do so. They will typically use glass-cutting tools and not simply smash glass as the video depicts. With professional burglar tools, glass-breaking is a high-risk action they will not take. Next, the apparel worn by the subject is not typical of a professional burglar. The helmet worn by the subject is frankly ridiculous and no burglar would wear that--a stocking cap--often the type with a face mask is the more streamlined, lightweight and practical choice. A helmut is heavy, unwieldy, and hot and depending on the circumstances, the burglar may actually have to remove it in order to gain access to the site or to specific areas of the targeted site and wearing a helmut can interfere with a stealthy entrance or exit. Removing the helmut can result in hair strands being left behind-- again, a source of DNA to link the subject to the crime. Something else to bear in mind, is that the aimlessly wandering throughout the church, as some have asserted was to perhaps find and destroy or deactivate the church's video surveillance system (obviously to deter documentation of the crime and possible identification) is atypical of a professional burglar. Psychologically and practically, individuals engaged in a crime or an act that they know is morally wrong will usually only be concerned with video surveillance of their behavior when they have a direct personal tie to the victim (of an assault or homicide) or to the location itself of the crime or immoral action. If a professional burglar is stealing from a location, they are not going to make a B-line to the security camera, yank it or the storage medium (disc, hard drive, etc.). They will quickly enter, steal, and exit. Only a criminal with a direct, close, personal tie to the victim and/or the location of the crime would be concerned with the video recording of the crime. Also, if the subject is wearing boots or tennis shoes-- again, not typical. Leather-soled or strong soles, those that do not leave a unique tread pattern, are generally the choice of burglars. A professional burglar would not dress in SWAT-team or what appears to be police tactical or riot gear. A burglar needs lightweight, streamlined, comfortable attire that enables freedom of movement while sufficiently concealing their identity (covers face, hands, hair). It appears from the video that the subject may be wearing some sort of flack jacket or padded jacket or even a tactical bullet-proof vest. Having worn these (as a women and the wife of a retired career officer), I can tell you that even the latest generation vests are bulky, relatively heavy, and uncomfortable unless the vest is custom-fitted and molded to the wearer-- and even then, they are still heavy, hot, and uncomfortable. A burglar would have no reason whatsoever to ever wear tactical gear of any kind-- unless of course they are committing an armed robbery of a bank in broad daylight (such as the famous Hollywood bank robbery shoot-out). That's armed robbery--- not B & E. Further, the subject arrives at the site shortly before Missy Bevers arrived, essentially in the very early morning hours. A burglar would, once again, do their homework on this location and know what activities might take place at the site, including the possibility that a class is held on Mondays, for example. They would then likely have entered the premises much earlier in the morning so as to avoid any possible discovery by exercise class members, if the subject were indeed after the church's Sunday offerings (very highly unlikely as I have already stated). If they were after something else, such as audio/visual equipment, they would have simply chosen another late night or very early morning during which they could ensure that they would not be discovered. Obviously there are a number of limitations to my evaluation, namely as I stated previously, my lack of access to all the video content, police reports and case files, and the autopsy report of the M.E.. Nonetheless, in my professional opinion, Missy Bevers was targeted in an act of premeditated first-degree murder. The most common motives for first-degree murder include the usual: love/sex, money, power (status, career, etc.). Statistically speaking, whenever a woman is murdered, the most likely murderer is the significant man in her life, specifically, her husband, ex-husband, boyfriend/lover or ex. Even if this person has an alibi, he would not be the first person to arrange someone to commit the crime on his behalf, including enlisting a woman with whom he is engaged in an extramarital affair. This very scenario has occurred in many homicide cases throughout the 20th and 21st centuries in the U.S. and abroad. Typically, the person who would ordinarily be the first best suspect in their spouse's murder arranges an 'iron-clad' alibi for themselves so they cannot possibly be the killer as they were somewhere else. This is very often accomplished through the very convenient and coincidental 'out of town' alibi. This is so often used by people who were later convicted of their spouse's murder. If you look at the probability on any given day of the year that a murder victim's spouse is out of town, and then you relate that to the fact that the spouse just happened to be out of town at the very moment of the crime, it's quite peculiar. You cannot indict someone for the way they speak or their non-manifestation of emotion, the behavior of surviving spouses who are later proven culpable in their spouse's murder provides certain clues to the state of mind of that spouse; sometimes, that state of mind is the mind of a killer, even if the spouse did not 'do the deed' they still may have arranged the murder. I strongly suspect that the police have been focusing on Missy Bever's husband and his relationships to certain women under the theory that he solidified his (and his father's) alibi while Missy's husband and/or father-in-law enlisted a significant other of Missy's husband (e.g., mistress, girlfriend) or perhaps even a willing female relative to kill Missy with the orders that "It has to look like she stumbled in on a burglary so the burglar killed her." In reality, burglars and murderers are two very, very different breeds. Someone who concocts a scenario that a woman is murdered by a burglar after she stumbles onto the thievery-in-progress of said burglar is completely ignorant of criminal psychology and behavior. It is so much easier for that burglar to simply run off, even if they encounter the homeowner, caretaker, or security guard face to face. To be caught for burglary -- a relatively mild felony -- versus facing what a prosecutor could chalk up from second degree murder to even first-degree murder (based on prosecutorial assertions that intent to commit 1st degree murder can be formed in an instant and does not require planning over time) all for putting down an unassuming victim is preposterous. This was most definitely a targeted, first-degree, premeditated murder and the police will find her killer among those people very close to her-- among her husband and his family, including a possible mistress/girlfriend; among those at the church; and among those from the classes she taught. It is very possible the actual murderer is someone who is a church member AND a class student, while the individual who set the crime into motion conspired with Missy's husband or someone in his circle.

    As a forensic social scientist (1 Ph.D. and 2 master's degrees) who is trained in criminal psychology, and offender motivation and decision-making, I offer my professional opinion based solely on the video clips and basic facts of the parts 1 & 2 from the guys. Bear in mind that with only these clips, I must judge them on their own merit without the benefit of the detectives' and medical examiner's reports, case notes, and crime scene photographs. Hence, understand that this means I am making my evaluation without these data. This crime, based on my review of the video, bears very strong indications of staging. First this does not bear the hallmarks of a burglary. Any professional burglar, and not merely someone who is an addict seeking to steal and sell items to support their habit, cases or surveils any possible target location prior to B & E in order to determine the suitability of the target. Suitability is based primarily on risk vs. reward. Do the rewards to be gained from the target sufficiently exceed the potential risks of hitting the target location? If so, the burglar generally proceeds to rob the location. If the rewards are high and the risk is relatively low, this is the ideal scenario for a burglar, but often, even when the risks are potentially high, if the rewards are also high--exceptionally high-- a burglar generally will proceed and attempt to minimize higher risks by taking advanced action (such as recruiting an accomplice, securing special equipment or tools to bypass known factors such as sophisticated motion sensors, etc.). However, when the rewards are low, even when the commensurate risks are also low, a professional burglar will not waste their time on a low-risk/low-reward target. A church is a low risk but low reward target. Assertions by Mr. Bevers and others that the church could have been burgled for its audio/video equipment or anything else, such as church offerings, is extremely unlikely. Most churches use a night drop for church offerings, put them in a safe, or keep them off site somewhere secure. In any event that doesn't matter because to a professional burglar, a church is not generally among their viable potential targets. Second, the subject of the video does not demonstrate burglar behavior. Any burglar, again, surveils their targets in advance of hitting those targets in order to determine the site's worthiness as a viable location to rob, and if it is indeed, to plan the crime itself. No burglar would rob B & E any location without first assessing the level and type of security measures on site (e.g., audio/video & motion sensor control, security guard w/ access control, guard dogs, key card access control, etc.), the site's physical layout with entrance and exit points and any means by which their activity at the site may be observed and documented, the daily/nightly activity and operations at the site (such as business hours or church services, choir practice, etc.) and the specific locations (e.g., rooms, safes, vaults, etc.) within the target site that the burglar wants to access in order to steal specific items. If the subject in the video were actually a burglar there to rob the church, he or she would have gone directly to predetermined locations based on their pre-crime surveillance preparations. At most 10-15 minutes would have been all that was required by a professional burglar to rob whichever valuables they had previously identified to steal during their pre-crime surveillance. No burglar would have spent 30 minutes inside a location--ever. It is not necessary, first of all, and second, the longer a burglar remains at a location, the greater the chance of being caught. Get in, grab items, get out. Quickly. Third, the breaking of glass, the wandering somewhat aimlessly from door to door very indiscriminately, and randomly trying doors and opening them without actually entering rooms or emerging from them with any items, is behavior completely opposite that of a professional burglar. Again, a burglar enters a targeted location, already knows which precise locations at the site they want to get into, they go there, take what they need, and leave. It's a fast-food type of situation, if you will, whereas this subject in the video is having an 8-course meal at a French restaurant complete with violins and wine pairings. Obviously biding their time awaiting someone's arrival= Missy's. Also, with respect to the broken glass, any professional burglar is concerned with minimizing anything that may aid law enforcement in apprehending them. The repeated breaking of glass in the manner demonstrated in the video is high risk behavior. The burglar could have at any time cut themselves thereby risking leaving their DNA behind. Burglars will use a number of tools to enter a building or a room and generally do not need to break glass in order to do so. They will typically use glass-cutting tools and not simply smash glass as the video depicts. With professional burglar tools, glass-breaking is a high-risk action they will not take. Next, the apparel worn by the subject is not typical of a professional burglar. The helmet worn by the subject is frankly ridiculous and no burglar would wear that--a stocking cap--often the type with a face mask is the more streamlined, lightweight and practical choice. A helmut is heavy, unwieldy, and hot and depending on the circumstances, the burglar may actually have to remove it in order to gain access to the site or to specific areas of the targeted site and wearing a helmut can interfere with a stealthy entrance or exit. Removing the helmut can result in hair strands being left behind-- again, a source of DNA to link the subject to the crime. Something else to bear in mind, is that the aimlessly wandering throughout the church, as some have asserted was to perhaps find and destroy or deactivate the church's video surveillance system (obviously to deter documentation of the crime and possible identification) is atypical of a professional burglar. Psychologically and practically, individuals engaged in a crime or an act that they know is morally wrong will usually only be concerned with video surveillance of their behavior when they have a direct personal tie to the victim (of an assault or homicide) or to the location itself of the crime or immoral action. If a professional burglar is stealing from a location, they are not going to make a B-line to the security camera, yank it or the storage medium (disc, hard drive, etc.). They will quickly enter, steal, and exit. Only a criminal with a direct, close, personal tie to the victim and/or the location of the crime would be concerned with the video recording of the crime.

    Also, if the subject is wearing boots or tennis shoes-- again, not typical. Leather-soled or strong soles, those that do not leave a unique tread pattern, are generally the choice of burglars. A professional burglar would not dress in SWAT-team or what appears to be police tactical or riot gear. A burglar needs lightweight, streamlined, comfortable attire that enables freedom of movement while sufficiently concealing their identity (covers face, hands, hair). It appears from the video that the subject may be wearing some sort of flack jacket or padded jacket or even a tactical bullet-proof vest. Having worn these (as a women and the wife of a retired career officer), I can tell you that even the latest generation vests are bulky, relatively heavy, and uncomfortable unless the vest is custom-fitted and molded to the wearer-- and even then, they are still heavy, hot, and uncomfortable. A burglar would have no reason whatsoever to ever wear tactical gear of any kind-- unless of course they are committing an armed robbery of a bank in broad daylight (such as the famous Hollywood bank robbery shoot-out). That's armed robbery--- not B & E. Further, the subject arrives at the site shortly before Missy Bevers arrived, essentially in the very early morning hours. A burglar would, once again, do their homework on this location and know what activities might take place at the site, including the possibility that a class is held on Mondays, for example. They would then likely have entered the premises much earlier in the morning so as to avoid any possible discovery by exercise class members, if the subject were indeed after the church's Sunday offerings (very highly unlikely as I have already stated). If they were after something else, such as audio/visual equipment, they would have simply chosen another late night or very early morning during which they could ensure that they would not be discovered.

    Obviously there are a number of limitations to my evaluation, namely as I stated previously, my lack of access to all the video content, police reports and case files, and the autopsy report of the M.E.. Nonetheless, in my professional opinion, Missy Bevers was targeted in an act of premeditated first-degree murder. The most common motives for first-degree murder include the usual: love/sex, money, power (status, career, etc.). Statistically speaking, whenever a woman is murdered, the most likely murderer is the significant man in her life, specifically, her husband, ex-husband, boyfriend/lover or ex. Even if this person has an alibi, he would not be the first person to arrange someone to commit the crime on his behalf, including enlisting a woman with whom he is engaged in an extramarital affair. This very scenario has occurred in many homicide cases throughout the 20th and 21st centuries in the U.S. and abroad. Typically, the person who would ordinarily be the first best suspect in their spouse's murder arranges an 'iron-clad' alibi for themselves so they cannot possibly be the killer as they were somewhere else. This is very often accomplished through the very convenient and coincidental 'out of town' alibi. This is so often used by people who were later convicted of their spouse's murder. If you look at the probability on any given day of the year that a murder victim's spouse is out of town, and then you relate that to the fact that the spouse just happened to be out of town at the very moment of the crime, it's quite peculiar. You cannot indict someone for the way they speak or their non-manifestation of emotion, the behavior of surviving spouses who are later proven culpable in their spouse's murder provides certain clues to the state of mind of that spouse; sometimes, that state of mind is the mind of a killer, even if the spouse did not 'do the deed' they still may have arranged the murder. I strongly suspect that the police have been focusing on Missy Bever's husband and his relationships to certain women under the theory that he solidified his (and his father's) alibi while Missy's husband and/or father-in-law enlisted a significant other of Missy's husband (e.g., mistress, girlfriend) or perhaps even a willing female relative to kill Missy with the orders that "It has to look like she stumbled in on a burglary so the burglar killed her." In reality, burglars and murderers are two very, very different breeds. Someone who concocts a scenario that a woman is murdered by a burglar after she stumbles onto the thievery-in-progress of said burglar is completely ignorant of criminal psychology and behavior. It is so much easier for that burglar to simply run off, even if they encounter the homeowner, caretaker, or security guard face to face. To be caught for burglary -- a relatively mild felony -- versus facing what a prosecutor could chalk up from second degree murder to even first-degree murder (based on prosecutorial assertions that intent to commit 1st degree murder can be formed in an instant and does not require planning over time) all for putting down an unassuming victim is preposterous. This was most definitely a targeted, first-degree, premeditated murder and the police will find her killer among those people very close to her-- among her husband and his family, including a possible mistress/girlfriend; among those at the church; and among those from the classes she taught. It is very possible the actual murderer is someone who is a church member AND a class student, while the individual who set the crime into motion conspired with Missy's husband or someone in his circle.

  • Rose

    Rose Indiana

    I really think this is a woman. The way she stands there with her knee bent. I also agree with the person above who mentioned that possibly the killer is pregnant. I am also intrigued to see if anyone can find out what that white box is in the killers hand!

    I really think this is a woman. The way she stands there with her knee bent. I also agree with the person above who mentioned that possibly the killer is pregnant. I am also intrigued to see if anyone can find out what that white box is in the killers hand!

  • Penny

    Penny

    I watched the 'carpark' footage too. Very very telling ~ surely the police can make some kind connection with the vehicle or suspected vehicle hire. @truecrimegarage boys do they know if the killer done anything to Missy's eyes. I keep getting flashes of her eyes ~ god forbid but maybe gouging or other awful things. Still thinkin it's the FIL. Without a doubt. AND I'M STILL SLEEPING WITH THE LIGHT ON!

    I watched the 'carpark' footage too. Very very telling ~ surely the police can make some kind connection with the vehicle or suspected vehicle hire.
    @truecrimegarage boys do they know if the killer done anything to Missy's eyes. I keep getting flashes of her eyes ~ god forbid but maybe gouging or other awful things. Still thinkin it's the FIL. Without a doubt. AND I'M STILL SLEEPING WITH THE LIGHT ON!

  • Sandy

    Sandy Canada

    Great episode! First time I had heard about this case! I don't think it's a woman. It would have to be a pretty tough and confident woman to take on a fitness instructor. And to that point, who would wear shoes too big when they are planning to get in an altercation with a fitness instructor? Not a woman, I don't think. For someone 'planning' a murder, and lying in wait, they sure seem very relaxed and casual walking the hallways. I am beginning to think theperson in the video was up to no good in the church, and Missy surprised him, a struggle ensued nad she was killed. Thanks.

    Great episode! First time I had heard about this case!
    I don't think it's a woman. It would have to be a pretty tough and confident woman to take on a fitness instructor. And to that point, who would wear shoes too big when they are planning to get in an altercation with a fitness instructor? Not a woman, I don't think.
    For someone 'planning' a murder, and lying in wait, they sure seem very relaxed and casual walking the hallways. I am beginning to think theperson in the video was up to no good in the church, and Missy surprised him, a struggle ensued nad she was killed. Thanks.

  • Myrna

    Myrna

    This is kinda a long shot - this looks like a pregnant walk.

    This is kinda a long shot - this looks like a pregnant walk.

  • Anne

    Anne Ohio

    Great episode, this is a case I will be following. My only question is unrelated........ will there be TCG hoodies anytime soon?!?

    Great episode, this is a case I will be following. My only question is unrelated........ will there be TCG hoodies anytime soon?!?

  • John

    John WI

    bottom line is the person in the video just looks goofy as hell. like some kid doing a "thrill" break-in prank. can't believe it ended in murder

    bottom line is the person in the video just looks goofy as hell. like some kid doing a "thrill" break-in prank. can't believe it ended in murder

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Hi Anne, We are working on hoodies but the tricky part is keeping the cost down so we don't have to charge too much. We will keep working on it. Thanks, Nic

    Hi Anne,
    We are working on hoodies but the tricky part is keeping the cost down so we don't have to charge too much. We will keep working on it.
    Thanks,
    Nic

  • Anastasiya

    Anastasiya Germany

    I still haven't listened to the second part (shame on me), but just had to watch the videos. I don't think it was that Randy guy. Considering how thick the layers of the killer's clothing are, his pot belly would have been huge in that vest. Also, the person's arms are quite far from the body, which looks like he or she is not very broad in shoulders and the clothes are too big and stiff. Plus, if you have some boobage and wear a stiffer west, it makes you look like you have a big belly. Gotta agree with Nic on the big shoes theory. It's always easier to walk with the toes outwards if the shoes are too big, because it's easier not to stumble. To me the movements look somehow feminine. And it doesn't look like that person has much experience with a hammer. I personally think the person tries to disguise with too large and thick clothes that she's a woman. It also almost looks like she came in to damage some stuff to make it look like it's a burglary or vandalism, maybe unsure whether the cameras are real or not (some places have just fake cameras). So she's roaming around, doing stuff one would expect a burglar to do, but not doing it very convincingly. It's quite obvious that she (?) is not looking for anything particular to steal nor does that person have a certain goal inside the church. It's a strange case, hopefully the family gets the answers.

    I still haven't listened to the second part (shame on me), but just had to watch the videos.
    I don't think it was that Randy guy. Considering how thick the layers of the killer's clothing are, his pot belly would have been huge in that vest. Also, the person's arms are quite far from the body, which looks like he or she is not very broad in shoulders and the clothes are too big and stiff. Plus, if you have some boobage and wear a stiffer west, it makes you look like you have a big belly.
    Gotta agree with Nic on the big shoes theory. It's always easier to walk with the toes outwards if the shoes are too big, because it's easier not to stumble.
    To me the movements look somehow feminine. And it doesn't look like that person has much experience with a hammer.
    I personally think the person tries to disguise with too large and thick clothes that she's a woman. It also almost looks like she came in to damage some stuff to make it look like it's a burglary or vandalism, maybe unsure whether the cameras are real or not (some places have just fake cameras). So she's roaming around, doing stuff one would expect a burglar to do, but not doing it very convincingly. It's quite obvious that she (?) is not looking for anything particular to steal nor does that person have a certain goal inside the church.
    It's a strange case, hopefully the family gets the answers.

  • Mary

    Mary Redondo Beach, CA

    Nic/Captain, I've been seeing quite a few commentators (including myself) suggesting that the assailant could have been a pregnant woman. I'm really curious to hear your thoughts on that since you didn't touch on it in the podcast. In your research, did you find anyone else with that theory? Were there any persons of interest who could have fit that description?

    Nic/Captain,

    I've been seeing quite a few commentators (including myself) suggesting that the assailant could have been a pregnant woman. I'm really curious to hear your thoughts on that since you didn't touch on it in the podcast. In your research, did you find anyone else with that theory? Were there any persons of interest who could have fit that description?

  • Jim

    Jim Arkansas

    If both Brandon and Randy Bevers have very solid alibis that can be proven then the murder is a family affair and was committed by Vicki Bevers. Get to the source of all the Facebook friend requests since Missy died. Fibdout who sent the creepy message 3 days before her death. Check out the man who had been "fitting" with Missy since Januart. It could have all been done by Brandon and Randy Bevers. I would swede that is Randy all decked out as a policeman. The intruder was there for the sole purpose of kill g Missy. He was laying in wait just inside the front door that he knew she would enter through. How much was Missy insured for?

    If both Brandon and Randy Bevers have very solid alibis that can be proven then the murder is a family affair and was committed by Vicki Bevers.
    Get to the source of all the Facebook friend requests since Missy died. Fibdout who sent the creepy message 3 days before her death. Check out the man who had been "fitting" with Missy since Januart. It could have all been done by Brandon and Randy Bevers. I would swede that is Randy all decked out as a policeman.
    The intruder was there for the sole purpose of kill g Missy. He was laying in wait just inside the front door that he knew she would enter through.
    How much was Missy insured for?

  • Ian

    Ian Utah

    I agree that this person seems to have female mannerisms and the way they use the hammer on the crow bar and try to pry the door halfheartedly prying in the wrong direction effectively. even the way this person swings the crow bar to break the glass seems feminine (sorry I am sure I am crossing a line here somewhere). I also believe the boot size is way too big for the wearer which would in it self give that funky gait. looks like a police windbreaker to me . I would look for jealous woman due to extramarital with link to cop or excop like dad or husband or relative

    I agree that this person seems to have female mannerisms and the way they use the hammer on the crow bar and try to pry the door halfheartedly prying in the wrong direction effectively. even the way this person swings the crow bar to break the glass seems feminine (sorry I am sure I am crossing a line here somewhere). I also believe the boot size is way too big for the wearer which would in it self give that funky gait. looks like a police windbreaker to me . I would look for jealous woman due to extramarital with link to cop or excop like dad or husband or relative

  • Josh

    Josh

    @ 0:36. I find it odd this individual uses the right hand to do everything in this video. Except at 0:36 the left hand is used to swing hammer not the right. The apparent dominant hand is used to hold the pry bar. This is absolutely inconsistent with most any person. Which leads me to believe that this action was not a primary action or thought otherwise the dominant hand would have taken immediate control of the hammer without hesitation. The slight tapping of the hammer further indicates this action not to be of primary concern or natural action. This individual also uses there right hand to put the pry bar away on his/her right side confirming right hand dominance. In my opinion this individual had no intention of burglary. This person premeditated this murder, arrived early enough to portray a burglary so that when this woman arrived there was little to no thought in her mind that something was off. A burglary had taken place and enforcement was on scene would be her thought. If there is no footage of the actual murder then the individual used the mock burglary to also identify the camera locations and there fields of view. With the suspect in police gear they could easily persuade this woman to a location that cameras couldn't see. I think the burglary and uniform was a tool to gain persuasion for a premeditated murder. Motive is the key to this murder and my first actions would be looking at any suspect consistent with a crime of passion. Was it a man or woman very hard to tell. If this person did mock a burglary then all the actions in the footage used to profile this individual could very well be intended to mislead. One would have to focus on very very small mindless actions such as unconsusly adjusting something or a slight quick scratching of his or her body ect. Actions so minute they are solely natural muscle memory. No squad cars in parking lot is easily admissible "We just got on scene. Where are the police vehicles? They are canvassing the area for the burgler. Oh ok." This suspect is a smart person and with the amount of effort in there disguise and actions it's someone who knew her. If you know you can murder someone off camera with no witness why so much trouble and effort? Unless you know her or she knows you. Humans always take the path of least resistance on everything. This person went through a lot of unnecessary measures for a reason. Especially if the murder took place in an area that was not under servalance.

    @ 0:36. I find it odd this individual uses the right hand to do everything in this video. Except at 0:36 the left hand is used to swing hammer not the right. The apparent dominant hand is used to hold the pry bar. This is absolutely inconsistent with most any person. Which leads me to believe that this action was not a primary action or thought otherwise the dominant hand would have taken immediate control of the hammer without hesitation.

    The slight tapping of the hammer further indicates this action not to be of primary concern or natural action. This individual also uses there right hand to put the pry bar away on his/her right side confirming right hand dominance.
    In my opinion this individual had no intention of burglary. This person premeditated this murder, arrived early enough to portray a burglary so that when this woman arrived there was little to no thought in her mind that something was off. A burglary had taken place and enforcement was on scene would be her thought. If there is no footage of the actual murder then the individual used the mock burglary to also identify the camera locations and there fields of view. With the suspect in police gear they could easily persuade this woman to a location that cameras couldn't see. I think the burglary and uniform was a tool to gain persuasion for a premeditated murder. Motive is the key to this murder and my first actions would be looking at any suspect consistent with a crime of passion.

    Was it a man or woman very hard to tell. If this person did mock a burglary then all the actions in the footage used to profile this individual could very well be intended to mislead. One would have to focus on very very small mindless actions such as unconsusly adjusting something or a slight quick scratching of his or her body ect. Actions so minute they are solely natural muscle memory.
    No squad cars in parking lot is easily admissible "We just got on scene. Where are the police vehicles? They are canvassing the area for the burgler. Oh ok." This suspect is a smart person and with the amount of effort in there disguise and actions it's someone who knew her. If you know you can murder someone off camera with no witness why so much trouble and effort? Unless you know her or she knows you. Humans always take the path of least resistance on everything. This person went through a lot of unnecessary measures for a reason. Especially if the murder took place in an area that was not under servalance.

  • Charlotte

    Charlotte California

    Captain, There is no "h" at the end of height. :D I still love you. Also, my first impression from looking at the video online is that it's a woman. Or an overweight man with a womanly figure. Just the mannerism is very female so many times in the video. Creepy AF.

    Captain,
    There is no "h" at the end of height. biggrin I still love you.
    Also, my first impression from looking at the video online is that it's a woman. Or an overweight man with a womanly figure. Just the mannerism is very female so many times in the video. Creepy AF.

  • Sarah

    Sarah

    This person doesn't look overweight when they turn to the side, but that's the way an overweight (or pregnant) person walks, when they have an apple-shaped figure and their weight is on their stomach. Maybe it's someone who recently lost a fair bit of weight, or maybe that gear is just really awkward to move in.

    This person doesn't look overweight when they turn to the side, but that's the way an overweight (or pregnant) person walks, when they have an apple-shaped figure and their weight is on their stomach. Maybe it's someone who recently lost a fair bit of weight, or maybe that gear is just really awkward to move in.

  • Jenni

    Jenni Des Moines, IA

    Has it been floated out there that this could be a man who is has a medical condition, such as Cushing's Disease? Cushing's and other glandular conditions can cause gynecomastia (an enlargement of breast tissue in males) and the appearance of a humped back. It can also cause osteoporosis, which would explain the awkward weakness in the legs that we can see. Other symptoms of interest: personality changes, central nervous system irritability, thin extremities, bruises easily. To me the video looks like a person who is physically weak. You see them give up easily when trying to break into a door. If the father-in-law was aware that there was video he would have been very conscientious about his gait, since it incriminates him. I see him stop outside of that building precisely BECAUSE he doesn't want people to see his gait and, as previously mentioned, it is difficult for him to correct the gait, so he just stops when the cameras are on him. Any other medical professionals that might weigh in on this?

    Has it been floated out there that this could be a man who is has a medical condition, such as Cushing's Disease? Cushing's and other glandular conditions can cause gynecomastia (an enlargement of breast tissue in males) and the appearance of a humped back. It can also cause osteoporosis, which would explain the awkward weakness in the legs that we can see. Other symptoms of interest: personality changes, central nervous system irritability, thin extremities, bruises easily. To me the video looks like a person who is physically weak. You see them give up easily when trying to break into a door. If the father-in-law was aware that there was video he would have been very conscientious about his gait, since it incriminates him. I see him stop outside of that building precisely BECAUSE he doesn't want people to see his gait and, as previously mentioned, it is difficult for him to correct the gait, so he just stops when the cameras are on him. Any other medical professionals that might weigh in on this?

  • Kristin

    Kristin Cleveland

    Arm sway, hunched upper back and gait looks VERY similar to the dad-in-law. Odd swing to the hammer...could be bc of all of the clothes. BUT...the alibi?!? He would be my guess just by video.

    Arm sway, hunched upper back and gait looks VERY similar to the dad-in-law. Odd swing to the hammer...could be bc of all of the clothes. BUT...the alibi?!? He would be my guess just by video.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Jenni very interesting insight. It has been thrown out there that the person may have some sort of injury but nothing as you pointed out. I'm guessing that's a limited group of people within a hundred mile radius of this murder. Cheers, Nic

    Jenni very interesting insight. It has been thrown out there that the person may have some sort of injury but nothing as you pointed out. I'm guessing that's a limited group of people within a hundred mile radius of this murder.
    Cheers,
    Nic

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    True Crime Garage

    A pregnant woman makes sense with the waddle. I would imagine that has been looked at. Last report I heard was local law enforcement was pretty divided - just like we seem to be here as to if this is a man or a woman. Personally to me, when the person turns to the side I see someone who appears to be much more fit than when in other frames. I think the camera adds ten pounds and the angle of the camera makes the person appear " squattier" than in real life. I think it's a man 5 ft 6 to 5 ft 8 and maybe a little big in the ass and legs but someone who is strong and in decent shape. Cheers Nic

    A pregnant woman makes sense with the waddle. I would imagine that has been looked at. Last report I heard was local law enforcement was pretty divided - just like we seem to be here as to if this is a man or a woman. Personally to me, when the person turns to the side I see someone who appears to be much more fit than when in other frames. I think the camera adds ten pounds and the angle of the camera makes the person appear " squattier" than in real life. I think it's a man 5 ft 6 to 5 ft 8 and maybe a little big in the ass and legs but someone who is strong and in decent shape.
    Cheers
    Nic

  • melissa

    melissa mountain top pa

    To me it looks very similar to the father in law. Same walk, same mannerisms. See around 1:29 seconds of perpetrator video, the person has the exact same footing of the father in law. Plus father in law has similar looking body frame.

    To me it looks very similar to the father in law. Same walk, same mannerisms. See around 1:29 seconds of perpetrator video, the person has the exact same footing of the father in law. Plus father in law has similar looking body frame.

  • BB

    BB Missouri

    I'm a Detective at a department in Missouri. Not that it's groundbreaking, but here's my take from 10 years or so of working cases: -The suspect, to me, looks like a male. With the attire covering head to toe it's difficult to pin an age. The gait tells me that it's someone overweight and out of shape. They have a waddle that, and no offense to anyone, you see in a teen boy or even adult male who spends too much time in front of a computer or tv screen and not enough time doing physical activity. I also noted that when the suspect walks towards the Dutch doors, it appears that the right foot is hobbled. Looks like they have some sort of injury, whether it be past or present, with that right leg. I've worked both crimes against property(I.e. burglaries) and crimes against persons(homicides and such). One thing about burglaries-someone did state above that burglars often don't spend much time in a home or business. This is true to a point. Daytime burglaries are usually very quick. Your typical burglar is also someone addicted to drugs who is looking for a quick score so they can buy dope. The person in this video is odd. I've seen burglaries in the past, committed by teens, where they'll break into a business and just roam, like they were just curious as to what was inside. Lastly, I'd assume, because I would do it, that the detectives in this case have locked the husband and father in law into their alibis. I'd assume that they've checked on cell phone records, transaction records, and any footage for where they were staying the night of the murder. This is just basic preliminary investigation stuff. Also, I just saw a video where the FBI is assisting now as well so I'd be willing to bet money this has been done. It's definitely an eerie and interesting case. I'd love to see the rest of the evidence, including any video of the encounter between Missy and the suspect, to get a better grasp on what direction they're possibly looking.

    I'm a Detective at a department in Missouri. Not that it's groundbreaking, but here's my take from 10 years or so of working cases:

    -The suspect, to me, looks like a male. With the attire covering head to toe it's difficult to pin an age. The gait tells me that it's someone overweight and out of shape. They have a waddle that, and no offense to anyone, you see in a teen boy or even adult male who spends too much time in front of a computer or tv screen and not enough time doing physical activity. I also noted that when the suspect walks towards the Dutch doors, it appears that the right foot is hobbled. Looks like they have some sort of injury, whether it be past or present, with that right leg.

    I've worked both crimes against property(I.e. burglaries) and crimes against persons(homicides and such). One thing about burglaries-someone did state above that burglars often don't spend much time in a home or business. This is true to a point. Daytime burglaries are usually very quick. Your typical burglar is also someone addicted to drugs who is looking for a quick score so they can buy dope. The person in this video is odd. I've seen burglaries in the past, committed by teens, where they'll break into a business and just roam, like they were just curious as to what was inside.

    Lastly, I'd assume, because I would do it, that the detectives in this case have locked the husband and father in law into their alibis. I'd assume that they've checked on cell phone records, transaction records, and any footage for where they were staying the night of the murder. This is just basic preliminary investigation stuff. Also, I just saw a video where the FBI is assisting now as well so I'd be willing to bet money this has been done.

    It's definitely an eerie and interesting case. I'd love to see the rest of the evidence, including any video of the encounter between Missy and the suspect, to get a better grasp on what direction they're possibly looking.

  • MLS

    MLS Georgia

    I don't believe they are the same people in the respective videos. My thought is the person inside the church is a female. She has a feminine walk and build. Randy Bevers seems to be taller with a slight hump towards the upper part of his back and walks a little slumped over. As far as the person in the church, I wonder if they're either checking to see if possibly someone else was in the church before Missy arrived (church worker or cleaning person) or they're looking for video equipment but it's not a robbery. What are you really going to get of value in a church and they're not rummaging around like they're looking for valuables to steal, their just looking. If there was infidelity either now or the recent past, it's possible it's a woman seeking revenge. It would have to be someone who knew what time Missy's class started and what time she arrived before the class to prepare. If it's not a student in her class present or past then it's someone who possibly found out her schedule from their significant other through text or social media and had been to the church prior to this day to stake out who comes and goes at this time of morning. This is too thought out to be random. Lastly, Brandon's interview while somewhat emotional his words were carefully chosen, I got the impression through his kind words about Missy, he was angry at Missy for doing whatever she was doing or had done that could have led to this happening. I believe he knows her murder was possibly retaliation for cheating with someone's husband or boyfriend. Whatever was going on in Missy life/marriage she was still a mom, wife, daughter, sibling and friend and deserved to live. I hope this person is caught soon and brought to justice.

    I don't believe they are the same people in the respective videos. My thought is the person inside the church is a female. She has a feminine walk and build. Randy Bevers seems to be taller with a slight hump towards the upper part of his back and walks a little slumped over. As far as the person in the church, I wonder if they're either checking to see if possibly someone else was in the church before Missy arrived (church worker or cleaning person) or they're looking for video equipment but it's not a robbery. What are you really going to get of value in a church and they're not rummaging around like they're looking for valuables to steal, their just looking.

    If there was infidelity either now or the recent past, it's possible it's a woman seeking revenge. It would have to be someone who knew what time Missy's class started and what time she arrived before the class to prepare. If it's not a student in her class present or past then it's someone who possibly found out her schedule from their significant other through text or social media and had been to the church prior to this day to stake out who comes and goes at this time of morning. This is too thought out to be random.

    Lastly, Brandon's interview while somewhat emotional his words were carefully chosen, I got the impression through his kind words about Missy, he was angry at Missy for doing whatever she was doing or had done that could have led to this happening. I believe he knows her murder was possibly retaliation for cheating with someone's husband or boyfriend. Whatever was going on in Missy life/marriage she was still a mom, wife, daughter, sibling and friend and deserved to live. I hope this person is caught soon and brought to justice.

  • Dana

    Dana Michigan

    My first impression was that the person in the video is a man. But then I went back and watched it a couple of more times and now I think it is a woman. I'm wondering if it's, not to sterotype so don't jump my booty, but it's almost the stance/move of a butch woman. Plenty of super-athletic or lesbian woman move very masculin-y (not a word, but you know what I'm saying!). It almost looks to me like they are limping from an injury (from her class, perhaps??), or the boots are too big so they are walking oddly to keep the boot from falling off? The father was in California, confirmed by eyewitnesses, so it's not him. Also, look at his shoulders starting from his neck. His shoulders kind of slope down. The person in the video has more squared shoulders. I personally don't think the husband and father had anything to do with it. Also, the cheating angle, if I were her husband, I'd be screaming that from the rooftops, if she was the one cheating, telling the cops hey, she had an affair, you need ask around about that and check out the person(s). If he doesn't know exactly who it was, someone knows. Her friends, eyewitnesses, someone.

    My first impression was that the person in the video is a man. But then I went back and watched it a couple of more times and now I think it is a woman. I'm wondering if it's, not to sterotype so don't jump my booty, but it's almost the stance/move of a butch woman. Plenty of super-athletic or lesbian woman move very masculin-y (not a word, but you know what I'm saying!). It almost looks to me like they are limping from an injury (from her class, perhaps??), or the boots are too big so they are walking oddly to keep the boot from falling off? The father was in California, confirmed by eyewitnesses, so it's not him. Also, look at his shoulders starting from his neck. His shoulders kind of slope down. The person in the video has more squared shoulders. I personally don't think the husband and father had anything to do with it. Also, the cheating angle, if I were her husband, I'd be screaming that from the rooftops, if she was the one cheating, telling the cops hey, she had an affair, you need ask around about that and check out the person(s). If he doesn't know exactly who it was, someone knows. Her friends, eyewitnesses, someone.

  • Coffee & Glitter

    Coffee & Glitter

    Just listened to the interview. Anyone else notice he doesn't say her name? I don't think I heard him say "Missy" once. Just "my wife." I'm not saying it means he was involved, and I know he has an alibi, but it strikes me as very odd.

    Just listened to the interview. Anyone else notice he doesn't say her name? I don't think I heard him say "Missy" once. Just "my wife." I'm not saying it means he was involved, and I know he has an alibi, but it strikes me as very odd.

  • Aleen

    Aleen

    While listening to the description during the episode, I thought pregnant woman. Watching, I still get the same impression. Maybe the pregnant wife of a guy she was having an affair with? Maybe she even attended some of her classes

    While listening to the description during the episode, I thought pregnant woman. Watching, I still get the same impression. Maybe the pregnant wife of a guy she was having an affair with? Maybe she even attended some of her classes

  • Christian Talbert

    Christian Talbert

    Not a detective here, I'm not a professional law enforcement type. I have however worked in mechanical trades all my life, with some time with the military, as a combat engineer. Personally, starting at :35 seconds of the video I see the most interesting moment to me. The feeble attempt at opening a door. The suspect has decent, but not professional tools, but fails to accomplish the task. To begin with the hinges of the door are pointed (exposed) in his/her direction. You simply have to knock the pins out of the door hinges and the door will come right down. I don't know if most people know this but, professional thieves know this. Option two is prying the door seam at the lock level. The suspect seems to get everything in place including a pry bar, but fails to do the physical grunt work to pull the door apart. If I had to do this task I would place the pry bar in the right location and beat the hell out of the pry bar until the door gave way. Instead, we see the suspect do an amateur attempt at wiggling the latch with the wrong hammer (which could still work), IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. Even yet, the attempt would work if you tried hard enough. Option three is sheer the the door knob and manipulate the bolt mechanism inside. I understand that most people don't have experience breaking down doors. I can't say if this indicates if this is a male or female suspect, since many of the younger men I deal with these days are very un-mechanically inclined. I can say ... that if I would bring tools for a break in it would be a small sledge or heavy ball peen hammer and LONG rigid pry bar. The feeble attempt is not avoid noise, later on the suspect smashes out glass without concern for noise. The hammer is an interesting choice. In my opinion, I believe it was chosen specifically for a personal up close murder. I feel confident it is a rock hammer / geological hammer. As pointed out by an above commentator. Just look up "rock hammer" on amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Estwing-E3-22P-Pointed-Shock-Reduction/dp/B0002OVCMO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1506237408&sr=8-4&keywords=rock+hammer The following is just a personal opinion. I think the duck walk is from over sized boots, to me everything about the perpetrator's costume screams attempting to look bigger. I think even the butt is padded (I really like female butts, should I apologize?). Notice the fore arms and calves are thin. They are outside the costume. Just crazy opinions, please point out why I'm wrong. I got my whole family watching and making observations.

    Not a detective here, I'm not a professional law enforcement type. I have however worked in mechanical trades all my life, with some time with the military, as a combat engineer.

    Personally, starting at :35 seconds of the video I see the most interesting moment to me. The feeble attempt at opening a door. The suspect has decent, but not professional tools, but fails to accomplish the task.

    To begin with the hinges of the door are pointed (exposed) in his/her direction. You simply have to knock the pins out of the door hinges and the door will come right down. I don't know if most people know this but, professional thieves know this.

    Option two is prying the door seam at the lock level. The suspect seems to get everything in place including a pry bar, but fails to do the physical grunt work to pull the door apart. If I had to do this task I would place the pry bar in the right location and beat the hell out of the pry bar until the door gave way. Instead, we see the suspect do an amateur attempt at wiggling the latch with the wrong hammer (which could still work), IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. Even yet, the attempt would work if you tried hard enough.

    Option three is sheer the the door knob and manipulate the bolt mechanism inside.

    I understand that most people don't have experience breaking down doors. I can't say if this indicates if this is a male or female suspect, since many of the younger men I deal with these days are very un-mechanically inclined. I can say ... that if I would bring tools for a break in it would be a small sledge or heavy ball peen hammer and LONG rigid pry bar.

    The feeble attempt is not avoid noise, later on the suspect smashes out glass without concern for noise.

    The hammer is an interesting choice. In my opinion, I believe it was chosen specifically for a personal up close murder. I feel confident it is a rock hammer / geological hammer. As pointed out by an above commentator. Just look up "rock hammer" on amazon.
    https://www.amazon.com/Estwing-E3-22P-Pointed-Shock-Reduction/dp/B0002OVCMO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1506237408&sr=8-4&keywords=rock+hammer

    The following is just a personal opinion. I think the duck walk is from over sized boots, to me everything about the perpetrator's costume screams attempting to look bigger. I think even the butt is padded (I really like female butts, should I apologize?). Notice the fore arms and calves are thin. They are outside the costume.

    Just crazy opinions, please point out why I'm wrong. I got my whole family watching and making observations.

  • Colin mcilwaine

    Colin mcilwaine Northern Ireland

    I think that guy could easily be the man in the swat gear the whole way he moves the arm movements too it’s so creepy it’s hard to get a coincidence like that

    I think that guy could easily be the man in the swat gear the whole way he moves the arm movements too it’s so creepy it’s hard to get a coincidence like that

  • Julie

    Julie Texas

    I'm from the Arlington Tx area so this hits real close to home. You both have made some excellent points on the podcast. I believe this crime was personal, it was well researched, the disguise was thought out. Why he/she chose police swat gear... This person appeared to have an injury/weakness. The padding the extra shielding offered protection. Missy B was a fit woman, strength agility was on her side. You corner her in a building she will fight back. This perp came with a hammer and pry bar. Very personal attacking tools. The costume disguises the face and the black camouflages from a passerby. If they see swat they think police or security. But this person I believe held a grudge against her. To get up at 2:30 3:00 am and don the uniform, possibly get hurt themselves, a chance she runs away or can fight back, this person would risk all.

    I'm from the Arlington Tx area so this hits real close to home. You both have made some excellent points on the podcast. I believe this crime was personal, it was well researched, the disguise was thought out. Why he/she chose police swat gear... This person appeared to have an injury/weakness. The padding the extra shielding offered protection. Missy B was a fit woman, strength agility was on her side. You corner her in a building she will fight back. This perp came with a hammer and pry bar. Very personal attacking tools. The costume disguises the face and the black camouflages from a passerby. If they see swat they think police or security. But this person I believe held a grudge against her. To get up at 2:30 3:00 am and don the uniform, possibly get hurt themselves, a chance she runs away or can fight back, this person would risk all.

  • Ruth

    Ruth Lawrence KS

    I agree Jenni, I am a nursing student and I don't think they have an injury, I think they just have poor body mechanics and no muscular strength. When trying to pry the door open with the hammer and the pry bar they clearly have no idea of how to use their body mechanics or the weight of the hammer to their advantage. This same lack of an understanding of proper body mechanics/or having any real body strength is seen again when they swing the hammer with one hand while holding the white thing in their hand. Its my opinion the person has an extremely fragile ego and a low self esteem and shows up in a uniform that screams power. They probably feel they have no control over their own life. Maybe they were jealous of Missy since she was so fit and seemed in control of her life. Whether they are a woman or a man they could be jealous of her for those same reasons. Maybe they resented her because she represented all the pretty women that rejected them because they are an awkward, nerdy, creeper that stands like a duck and has no muscle mass. Probably extremely socially awkward too. But they blame the women instead of working on themselves to make themselves more attractive.

    I agree Jenni, I am a nursing student and I don't think they have an injury, I think they just have poor body mechanics and no muscular strength. When trying to pry the door open with the hammer and the pry bar they clearly have no idea of how to use their body mechanics or the weight of the hammer to their advantage. This same lack of an understanding of proper body mechanics/or having any real body strength is seen again when they swing the hammer with one hand while holding the white thing in their hand. Its my opinion the person has an extremely fragile ego and a low self esteem and shows up in a uniform that screams power. They probably feel they have no control over their own life. Maybe they were jealous of Missy since she was so fit and seemed in control of her life. Whether they are a woman or a man they could be jealous of her for those same reasons. Maybe they resented her because she represented all the pretty women that rejected them because they are an awkward, nerdy, creeper that stands like a duck and has no muscle mass. Probably extremely socially awkward too. But they blame the women instead of working on themselves to make themselves more attractive.

  • Ken Hardy

    Ken Hardy Raleigh, NC

    First, hey, guys! Your podcast rocks! Superb storytelling. I listen to your work through Apple TV, so the audio comes out my TV speakers. Can't tell you how many times I've put an episode on to listen as I did some busy work only to find myself sitting in front of my TV screen listening as I stare at the screen saver. There is absolutely no question in my mind that this person in the video is a woman. Her mannerisms and, as others have said, "hip swaying" walk are distinctly womanly. I call your attention to the 0:49 sec. mark of the first video. The assailant puts her weight on her right foot and sticks out her left foot just a bit almost as though she were "en pointe." Very much an unconscious feminine gesture I have seen other women do countless times. I do not say this to be funny, but I can't help but thinking this person looks just like Rosanne Barr in an episode of her show.

    First, hey, guys! Your podcast rocks! Superb storytelling. I listen to your work through Apple TV, so the audio comes out my TV speakers. Can't tell you how many times I've put an episode on to listen as I did some busy work only to find myself sitting in front of my TV screen listening as I stare at the screen saver.

    There is absolutely no question in my mind that this person in the video is a woman. Her mannerisms and, as others have said, "hip swaying" walk are distinctly womanly. I call your attention to the 0:49 sec. mark of the first video. The assailant puts her weight on her right foot and sticks out her left foot just a bit almost as though she were "en pointe." Very much an unconscious feminine gesture I have seen other women do countless times. I do not say this to be funny, but I can't help but thinking this person looks just like Rosanne Barr in an episode of her show.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Ken just solved it! Just joking. I question how sober this perp was. Sometimes bad people got to get themselves jacked up before being able to commit a violent crime. I still to this day can't make up my mind as to gender. Also with the car spotted across the street I'm really starting to question... If that is a lead or not. I'm beginning to believe the driver of that vehicle may have come forward but begged not to be named. We have seen the amount of accusations going around early in this case. Cheers, Nic

    Ken just solved it! Just joking.
    I question how sober this perp was. Sometimes bad people got to get themselves jacked up before being able to commit a violent crime. I still to this day can't make up my mind as to gender. Also with the car spotted across the street I'm really starting to question... If that is a lead or not. I'm beginning to believe the driver of that vehicle may have come forward but begged not to be named. We have seen the amount of accusations going around early in this case.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Mark

    Mark Austin

    The comparison of the perp walking and Randy walking are near identical. The perp strikes me as being an effeminate male, somewhat unathletic, awkward. Could be female, but don't think so. I think the husband is involved in some way. That person is killing time in that church, not doing anything remotely burglary related, they were waiting, waiting for someone to show up at 5. Either the husband or a female relation of the husband.

    The comparison of the perp walking and Randy walking are near identical. The perp strikes me as being an effeminate male, somewhat unathletic, awkward. Could be female, but don't think so. I think the husband is involved in some way. That person is killing time in that church, not doing anything remotely burglary related, they were waiting, waiting for someone to show up at 5. Either the husband or a female relation of the husband.

  • MR

    MR Parts Unknown

    [quote=JG] No, absolutely NOT! This person was NOT there specifically to kill her! That much I can guarantee. If that was the case this person could have just killed her when she came out to her car when leaving her house, or in the parking lot where there would be no security camera. But the main way to tell that this wasn't a planned hit was how would this person have known that she'd be there alone? What if she was late? Or what if she showed up with a friend? And this guy was in the building trashing it before hand? Well that just guarantees that this is a one and done try. If they didn't kill her that night well they wouldn't have been able to wait and try it again because the idiot trashed the place (for no reason I might add). Nope, this guy (or girl) went to this church with the specific intention of damaging the church and was simply surprised. They absolutely would not suspect someone showing up that early and had no idea about her class she moved inside the night before. Look for someone with a grudge against the church or a grudge against someone involved high up the ladder inside the church. IMO, this should be that hard of a case to crack and if anyone wants to pay my room and board for two weeks out there I'll come and solve it for them, lol! [/quote] Buddy you gotta be kidding me. I'm supposed to believe that someone who had an intention to vandalize property would just escalate to blunt trauma murder? Not buying it. Did you even listen to the episode? Nick had a good point about trashing the place earlier as a way to determine police response/if any. I'm all for chiming in with what people think may have happened, but your're just way too far off here to be throwing around words and phrases like "guarantee" and "[not] that hard of a case to crack" You truly think that?

    JG wrote:

    No, absolutely NOT! This person was NOT there specifically to kill her! That much I can guarantee. If that was the case this person could have just killed her when she came out to her car when leaving her house, or in the parking lot where there would be no security camera. But the main way to tell that this wasn't a planned hit was how would this person have known that she'd be there alone? What if she was late? Or what if she showed up with a friend? And this guy was in the building trashing it before hand? Well that just guarantees that this is a one and done try. If they didn't kill her that night well they wouldn't have been able to wait and try it again because the idiot trashed the place (for no reason I might add). Nope, this guy (or girl) went to this church with the specific intention of damaging the church and was simply surprised. They absolutely would not suspect someone showing up that early and had no idea about her class she moved inside the night before.
    Look for someone with a grudge against the church or a grudge against someone involved high up the ladder inside the church. IMO, this should be that hard of a case to crack and if anyone wants to pay my room and board for two weeks out there I'll come and solve it for them, lol!

    Buddy you gotta be kidding me. I'm supposed to believe that someone who had an intention to vandalize property would just escalate to blunt trauma murder? Not buying it. Did you even listen to the episode? Nick had a good point about trashing the place earlier as a way to determine police response/if any. I'm all for chiming in with what people think may have happened, but your're just way too far off here to be throwing around words and phrases like "guarantee" and "[not] that hard of a case to crack" You truly think that?

  • Mark

    Mark Austin

    I think there is is too much emphasis on the tape. People keep focusing on the video and they don't do what investigators are supposed to do, ask "why"? There is a why and the why will say who did this. I cannot be sure who that is wearing that gear, but I do know they are hiding their identity and waiting in a church at a very strange time, a time that just happens to be right before someone showed up and got killed. The perp knew there were cameras, the perp is waiting, the perp killed the only person that would be there. Nothing random here, premeditated murder. And when it is a wife being killed, especially one in a rocky marriage, not hard to figure. Pretty sure the police know this but need more physical evidence. Either the husband or someone he hired.

    I think there is is too much emphasis on the tape. People keep focusing on the video and they don't do what investigators are supposed to do, ask "why"? There is a why and the why will say who did this. I cannot be sure who that is wearing that gear, but I do know they are hiding their identity and waiting in a church at a very strange time, a time that just happens to be right before someone showed up and got killed. The perp knew there were cameras, the perp is waiting, the perp killed the only person that would be there. Nothing random here, premeditated murder. And when it is a wife being killed, especially one in a rocky marriage, not hard to figure. Pretty sure the police know this but need more physical evidence. Either the husband or someone he hired.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Mark I totally agree. I think this is premeditated and well thought out. That's what I meant by saying this is a sophisticated criminal. Someone who carefully plans and has thought about everything. Somewhere in this whole thing a mistake was made by this killer. They always make at least one. That is how they will be caught. Cheers, Nic

    Mark I totally agree. I think this is premeditated and well thought out. That's what I meant by saying this is a sophisticated criminal. Someone who carefully plans and has thought about everything. Somewhere in this whole thing a mistake was made by this killer. They always make at least one. That is how they will be caught.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Amy

    Amy TN

    I have a friend with the exact same gait as the individual in the video...so, for me, I consider this person's movements to be very calm, almost bored. I see them as casually looking around as if it is mere curiosity (although I'm sure that's not the actual reason, given the tools and the disguise...simply referring to the gait). At 0:17 where he (I think it's a male) stops short of the door and stretches out the arm seems it would imply a low expectation of whatever his intent there is (also seems to be left-handed) and the at 1:07 when he settles slightly back on the right foot, almost as if passing and reaching back....I can picture my friend there and that (for him) would be a casual sort of ho-hum action. Very interesting to read the others comments. I sure hope they catch this creep! .....as an afterthought...regarding the comments about the shoes being oversized.....in order to keep them on, one would either have to tighten them enough to make them snug in order to walk with the feet turned extremely outward like this person OR walk with the feet very straight forward in order to keep your toes crammed up into the end of the shoes and keep them on. I haven't seen the car videos yet but it seems reasonable to me what others have said about Missy being targeted and all the prep to check the alarm system (or lack of) and be lying in wait for her. Maybe the searching around being done in the video is the a-hole looking to disable the video system.

    I have a friend with the exact same gait as the individual in the video...so, for me, I consider this person's movements to be very calm, almost bored. I see them as casually looking around as if it is mere curiosity (although I'm sure that's not the actual reason, given the tools and the disguise...simply referring to the gait). At 0:17 where he (I think it's a male) stops short of the door and stretches out the arm seems it would imply a low expectation of whatever his intent there is (also seems to be left-handed) and the at 1:07 when he settles slightly back on the right foot, almost as if passing and reaching back....I can picture my friend there and that (for him) would be a casual sort of ho-hum action. Very interesting to read the others comments. I sure hope they catch this creep! .....as an afterthought...regarding the comments about the shoes being oversized.....in order to keep them on, one would either have to tighten them enough to make them snug in order to walk with the feet turned extremely outward like this person OR walk with the feet very straight forward in order to keep your toes crammed up into the end of the shoes and keep them on. I haven't seen the car videos yet but it seems reasonable to me what others have said about Missy being targeted and all the prep to check the alarm system (or lack of) and be lying in wait for her. Maybe the searching around being done in the video is the a-hole looking to disable the video system.

  • sandie

    sandie Ariz

    Ok, I loved this episode. I have this idea. Missy may have had an affair 10 months ago, husband found out and they made another try for their marriage, the 10 month I love you thing is very specific. When she went to Austin she did it again. The man's significant other found out, got crazy and killed her. The killer walks like the boots are too big, if she walks sideways they won't slip off, gloves too big too, that's why she adjusts them, helmet too, it wobbles as she looks at the Dutch door. Stabbing is very personal, this bitch was pissed.

    Ok,
    I loved this episode. I have this idea. Missy may have had an affair 10 months ago, husband found out and they made another try for their marriage, the 10 month I love you thing is very specific. When she went to Austin she did it again. The man's significant other found out, got crazy and killed her. The killer walks like the boots are too big, if she walks sideways they won't slip off, gloves too big too, that's why she adjusts them, helmet too, it wobbles as she looks at the Dutch door. Stabbing is very personal, this bitch was pissed.

  • Patrik

    Patrik Halmstad, sweden

    Hi! I have difficulties seeing this as a female perp, find the movements way too masculine. To me it seems like someone Walking around "making marks" more than someone truly trying to get through doors to steal stuff. I think it was meant to look like a burglary, the suspect hade no knowledge of cameras, but wore the outfit to not be recognized by Missy, in case the attack didn't succeed and she survived, or for the instance that someone saw him (as i think it's a man) leave or enter the building. Probably a man in 40's to 50's by the stiff way he moves sometimes. Can't see anything pointing to his way of moving beeing faked. Might be FIL, seems similar in movements, but somehow his backlump isn't that clear on the cameras from crimescene, though this might differ from time to time and also might be harder to observe through all the gear, with helmet and stuff. Great show, guys!

    Hi! I have difficulties seeing this as a female perp, find the movements way too masculine. To me it seems like someone Walking around "making marks" more than someone truly trying to get through doors to steal stuff. I think it was meant to look like a burglary, the suspect hade no knowledge of cameras, but wore the outfit to not be recognized by Missy, in case the attack didn't succeed and she survived, or for the instance that someone saw him (as i think it's a man) leave or enter the building.
    Probably a man in 40's to 50's by the stiff way he moves sometimes. Can't see anything pointing to his way of moving beeing faked. Might be FIL, seems similar in movements, but somehow his backlump isn't that clear on the cameras from crimescene, though this might differ from time to time and also might be harder to observe through all the gear, with helmet and stuff.

    Great show, guys!

  • Matthew

    Matthew Nebraska

    I have watched the comparison footage a dozen times analyzing it very carefully. To me there is absolutely no doubt that Randy Bever is the person in the swat uniform. The first thing that jumps out at me is the way the right foot is turned out when he walks, the second thing is the shape of the body with the belly and also the humped back, the third and most convincing to me is the way he walks with the back of his hands facing forward. I know he had a fairly tight alibi but I'm convinced the Nissan Altima was a rental car and the sticker on the bumper discussed is an identification tag for a rental car. I'm also assuming that being a relative, he would have knowledge of the church and its entrances.

    I have watched the comparison footage a dozen times analyzing it very carefully. To me there is absolutely no doubt that Randy Bever is the person in the swat uniform. The first thing that jumps out at me is the way the right foot is turned out when he walks, the second thing is the shape of the body with the belly and also the humped back, the third and most convincing to me is the way he walks with the back of his hands facing forward. I know he had a fairly tight alibi but I'm convinced the Nissan Altima was a rental car and the sticker on the bumper discussed is an identification tag for a rental car. I'm also assuming that being a relative, he would have knowledge of the church and its entrances.

  • Faith Christine

    Faith Christine Portland, Oregon

    This might be a Long shot.. I am a girl who has struggled with my weight in the past and I do find it frustrating at times when you do see beautiful women that make it look so easy.. what if this was the motive and I’m wondering if the killer is a women and dressed like a man and like it was said in the episode.. possibly wearing larger shoes than their actual size.. so in the case the women was wearing man shoes and that would explain the walk. A women dressing up in a male outfit or an outfit most people would think “a male” would make it easier to get away with.. like I said this is a long shot.. and doesn’t solve the crime but I can’t get this out of my mind.. what’s your guys opinion?!

    This might be a Long shot.. I am a girl who has struggled with my weight in the past and I do find it frustrating at times when you do see beautiful women that make it look so easy.. what if this was the motive and I’m wondering if the killer is a women and dressed like a man and like it was said in the episode.. possibly wearing larger shoes than their actual size.. so in the case the women was wearing man shoes and that would explain the walk. A women dressing up in a male outfit or an outfit most people would think “a male” would make it easier to get away with.. like I said this is a long shot.. and doesn’t solve the crime but I can’t get this out of my mind.. what’s your guys opinion?!

  • Zeus

    Zeus Texas

    A private airport sits only about a mile from the site of the murder completely accessible by foot. The husband could have flown back from his "fishing trip" in the middle of the night, committed the murder then flew back to Mississippi immediately after. Check the flight logs for that night and early morning at Midlothian airport. Both Father in Law and husband were allegedly out of town and as such claim that as their alibi.

    A private airport sits only about a mile from the site of the murder completely accessible by foot. The husband could have flown back from his "fishing trip" in the middle of the night, committed the murder then flew back to Mississippi immediately after. Check the flight logs for that night and early morning at Midlothian airport. Both Father in Law and husband were allegedly out of town and as such claim that as their alibi.

  • Lynette

    Lynette Dallas

    It’s very interesting hearing first-time observations this late in the game. Many of us locals have been following the case since April 2016 and have run through a myriad of potential perps. I can understand the temptation of thinking it’s a female, MPD opened up the possibility and I thought so for a while, too. But when I consider the quick and efficient delivery of violence that had to happen here, that speaks male to me. It’s someone who hated her. Imagine how much you have to hate someone to get dressed up in all that gear at 3 in the morning? And then drive to her location in the dark, pouring rain? This was no accident that they met. Missy met a violent death. And it’s not Randy, he’s way too large to be the perp in the video. There are pics available of him in past news articles and on his FB page. You will see that a gut like his is not possibly concealed in that tactical/riot gear. The perp is from law enforcement. Please check out a January Nancy Grace podcast where her co-host reveals that information. I believe he wasn’t supposed to repeat that, but he did. Also, it’s clear to me that this is not the first time that perp has worn the gear he has on. That outfit is not only restricting and confining (the knee pads alone would drive me crazy), but the helmet would impede vision. There’s no way anyone would wear this concoction for the fist time to commit such a crime where time, mobility, and escaping very quickly are paramount. Missy’s campers were due to start arriving very soon. (In fact, one did arrive early and wait in the car.) I believe this perp appears so comfortable and confident in that uniform because he has worn in many times before, including tactical training.

    It’s very interesting hearing first-time observations this late in the game. Many of us locals have been following the case since April 2016 and have run through a myriad of potential perps. I can understand the temptation of thinking it’s a female, MPD opened up the possibility and I thought so for a while, too. But when I consider the quick and efficient delivery of violence that had to happen here, that speaks male to me.
    It’s someone who hated her. Imagine how much you have to hate someone to get dressed up in all that gear at 3 in the morning? And then drive to her location in the dark, pouring rain? This was no accident that they met. Missy met a violent death. And it’s not Randy, he’s way too large to be the perp in the video. There are pics available of him in past news articles and on his FB page. You will see that a gut like his is not possibly concealed in that tactical/riot gear.
    The perp is from law enforcement. Please check out a January Nancy Grace podcast where her co-host reveals that information. I believe he wasn’t supposed to repeat that, but he did. Also, it’s clear to me that this is not the first time that perp has worn the gear he has on. That outfit is not only restricting and confining (the knee pads alone would drive me crazy), but the helmet would impede vision. There’s no way anyone would wear this concoction for the fist time to commit such a crime where time, mobility, and escaping very quickly are paramount. Missy’s campers were due to start arriving very soon. (In fact, one did arrive early and wait in the car.) I believe this perp appears so comfortable and confident in that uniform because he has worn in many times before, including tactical training.

  • Mannfred

    Mannfred Seattle

    Read through these comments, and like so many other threads, so many errors! It has been over a year people! How do you comment on a case you obviously have not done the simplest research on?! Let me bring you up to speed - The video of the car is at the gun store down the street, NOT in the church parking lot. Both husband and Father in law have been completely checked out and are not suspects, so it was not them in the video. Besides, they are both way too tall. The killer is NOT "surprised" by the dutch door - he has to lift his head to be able to look up due to the visor on the helmet obstructing his view. It's not a chick, and who the hell is the guy that thinks he can tell age by walk? You have gotten everything wrong so far, by the way. The theory that the killer was after the surveillance footage "for an unknown crime earlier in the week" is pretty amusing - how many crimes go "unknown" for days that were on a security camera? The perp dressed like a cop because he wanted to hide his identity. If she had seen him and knew him, she could have easily out run him. Also, for the cameras. He knew her routine, and was not worried about anyone showing up early and coming in the building. He did know they would be outside, however, hence he did not use a firearm - didn't want anyone to hear a gunshot. There was at least one member that arrived around 4:30, but waited in her car until 5 for the class to start. The perp successfully avoided making any noise to draw attention and was not seen by this person, so he already had an escape route that hid him. The police also said he ambushed her - so why would you wait in a room that happens to be the one she is going to go into without knowing she is coming? At the house, he would have encountered her daughters and who knows else. She clearly posted on her Facebook page the previous evening that they were training rain or shine. Since it was raining, he apparently knew right where she would go and waited in the dark room and ambushed her. This was NOT her church, she attended the cowboy church down the street, she simply had some kind of relationship with this church as far as the gladiator camp. No criminal on earth casually strolls around a place he is burglarizing - you get what you came for and get the hell out. You also don't make the leap from a vandalism, property crime that is a misdemeanor to a brutal murder, burying a tactical hammer in someone's head and chest in seconds. The theory that it was a mentally ill person? Really think a mentally ill person would be so prepared for such a crime as to not leave ANY fingerprints, DNA or the slightest evidence and be able to fool the Midlothian police, Texas Rangers and the F.B.I.? Especially not coming with a plan to commit this serious a crime in the first place? I'm thinking "no". The man was there to kill her - and he was well prepared for it.

    Read through these comments, and like so many other threads, so many errors! It has been over a year people! How do you comment on a case you obviously have not done the simplest research on?! Let me bring you up to speed - The video of the car is at the gun store down the street, NOT in the church parking lot. Both husband and Father in law have been completely checked out and are not suspects, so it was not them in the video. Besides, they are both way too tall. The killer is NOT "surprised" by the dutch door - he has to lift his head to be able to look up due to the visor on the helmet obstructing his view. It's not a chick, and who the hell is the guy that thinks he can tell age by walk? You have gotten everything wrong so far, by the way. The theory that the killer was after the surveillance footage "for an unknown crime earlier in the week" is pretty amusing - how many crimes go "unknown" for days that were on a security camera? The perp dressed like a cop because he wanted to hide his identity. If she had seen him and knew him, she could have easily out run him. Also, for the cameras. He knew her routine, and was not worried about anyone showing up early and coming in the building. He did know they would be outside, however, hence he did not use a firearm - didn't want anyone to hear a gunshot. There was at least one member that arrived around 4:30, but waited in her car until 5 for the class to start. The perp successfully avoided making any noise to draw attention and was not seen by this person, so he already had an escape route that hid him. The police also said he ambushed her - so why would you wait in a room that happens to be the one she is going to go into without knowing she is coming? At the house, he would have encountered her daughters and who knows else. She clearly posted on her Facebook page the previous evening that they were training rain or shine. Since it was raining, he apparently knew right where she would go and waited in the dark room and ambushed her. This was NOT her church, she attended the cowboy church down the street, she simply had some kind of relationship with this church as far as the gladiator camp. No criminal on earth casually strolls around a place he is burglarizing - you get what you came for and get the hell out. You also don't make the leap from a vandalism, property crime that is a misdemeanor to a brutal murder, burying a tactical hammer in someone's head and chest in seconds. The theory that it was a mentally ill person? Really think a mentally ill person would be so prepared for such a crime as to not leave ANY fingerprints, DNA or the slightest evidence and be able to fool the Midlothian police, Texas Rangers and the F.B.I.? Especially not coming with a plan to commit this serious a crime in the first place? I'm thinking "no". The man was there to kill her - and he was well prepared for it.

  • Kate

    Kate Atlanta

    Not only do I think Missy was certainly targeted, I really think the person in the video is a female. I feel like the outfit, the gait, the stature all point to this. Perhaps she chose this outfit to try to look like a man or it could even be a woman wearing a specific man's outfit to try to frame him. I think jealousy, on some level, was the motive. Let's hope they get answers for the family soon. You guys rawk!! Thanks for your podcast and for being generally awesome.

    Not only do I think Missy was certainly targeted, I really think the person in the video is a female. I feel like the outfit, the gait, the stature all point to this. Perhaps she chose this outfit to try to look like a man or it could even be a woman wearing a specific man's outfit to try to frame him. I think jealousy, on some level, was the motive. Let's hope they get answers for the family soon.

    You guys rawk!! Thanks for your podcast and for being generally awesome.

  • Cat

    Cat Delaware

    For those who dismiss the suspect being female because Missy was fit and strong and not easily overpowered- take note that even the strongest people can be overpowered by a surprise blow to the head. Your muscle doesn't matter much if you're disoriented or unconscious. Also, being fit doesn't automatically make you good at self defense. I will also say this again: there a no way this is a true burglary. No burglar behaves the way this person did. My theory is still stands. This person was targeting Missy. Got there early with the intent of making it look like a burglarly, then surprised her as she entered. Tactical gear is worn both as a disguise and as protection in case there was a struggle. The person is covered up enough to avoid a scratchmark to a major injury.

    For those who dismiss the suspect being female because Missy was fit and strong and not easily overpowered- take note that even the strongest people can be overpowered by a surprise blow to the head. Your muscle doesn't matter much if you're disoriented or unconscious. Also, being fit doesn't automatically make you good at self defense.
    I will also say this again: there a no way this is a true burglary. No burglar behaves the way this person did. My theory is still stands. This person was targeting Missy. Got there early with the intent of making it look like a burglarly, then surprised her as she entered. Tactical gear is worn both as a disguise and as protection in case there was a struggle. The person is covered up enough to avoid a scratchmark to a major injury.

  • Andrew

    Andrew Dublin

    This video scares me half to death to think about. It's so ominous. I feel like the person has some knowledge of the area prior to being in there. They seem to know what is behind the door around the corner and know what doors they want to look into and so on. I feel (and this is strictly a feeling with no evidence to back it up), that they are just there to smash the place up, see Missy, get startled and kill her then. Mainly because they don't seem to be in a rush, they aren't madly trying to prep for when Missy arrives, it seems like they are relaxed. Does anyone know if they have released any more footage or is this it? Very interesting case and I think the guys in the garage did a good job on covering it!

    This video scares me half to death to think about. It's so ominous.

    I feel like the person has some knowledge of the area prior to being in there. They seem to know what is behind the door around the corner and know what doors they want to look into and so on. I feel (and this is strictly a feeling with no evidence to back it up), that they are just there to smash the place up, see Missy, get startled and kill her then. Mainly because they don't seem to be in a rush, they aren't madly trying to prep for when Missy arrives, it seems like they are relaxed. Does anyone know if they have released any more footage or is this it?

    Very interesting case and I think the guys in the garage did a good job on covering it!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    I still think this is a planned murder. What scares me is the footage we are not seeing. This person could be smashing the place up in this footage but later waiting for Missy to enter the building. You have to believe there is footage we are not seeing. Reports were that the attack was not captured by any of the cameras. Nic

    I still think this is a planned murder. What scares me is the footage we are not seeing. This person could be smashing the place up in this footage but later waiting for Missy to enter the building. You have to believe there is footage we are not seeing. Reports were that the attack was not captured by any of the cameras.
    Nic

  • Michelle

    Michelle Florida

    I just got done listening to the podcast and watching the videos. So here is what I think. In first watching the video I thought it was a woman...then I saw the video of the father in law and now I think there is no way it could be anyone else. The second theory - I would put eyes on the first woman who stepped up to the husband now that the wife is out of the way. If this was a woman dressed as a slow S.W.A.T trainee....just maybe it was someone who had their heart set on the husband.

    I just got done listening to the podcast and watching the videos. So here is what I think.

    In first watching the video I thought it was a woman...then I saw the video of the father in law and now I think there is no way it could be anyone else.

    The second theory - I would put eyes on the first woman who stepped up to the husband now that the wife is out of the way. If this was a woman dressed as a slow S.W.A.T trainee....just maybe it was someone who had their heart set on the husband.

  • Cahuntress

    Cahuntress Cali

    In the comparison video there are see key differences. They're subtle but there. 1. When suspect stops, hips shift forward & to right while left foot is canted. That's a distinctively feminine stance. In the othervideo he strolls out but when he stops, his weight is evenly distributed... more masculine stance. 2. When suspect gets to Dutch door, weight again shifts forward to right hip. Feminine gesture. In comparison video this does not happen as he moves. 3. Thenperson in the suspect video is smaller than the man in the other vid. The suspect is feminine... and short as stated by police at 5'2"-5'7" tall. They're wearing a police costume and want to make sure cameras see the costume well confident that they can't be identified. It strikes me that they want to misdirect the investigation in the direction of police... perhaps a particular police officer with whom MB had reportedly been having an affair. I'd be looking at spouses of anyone MB knew in police positions or with access to police gear (real or fake). SGT S? Mr AJ?

    In the comparison video there are see key differences. They're subtle but there. 1. When suspect stops, hips shift forward & to right while left foot is canted. That's a distinctively feminine stance. In the othervideo he strolls out but when he stops, his weight is evenly distributed... more masculine stance. 2. When suspect gets to Dutch door, weight again shifts forward to right hip. Feminine gesture. In comparison video this does not happen as he moves. 3. Thenperson in the suspect video is smaller than the man in the other vid.

    The suspect is feminine... and short as stated by police at 5'2"-5'7" tall. They're wearing a police costume and want to make sure cameras see the costume well confident that they can't be identified. It strikes me that they want to misdirect the investigation in the direction of police... perhaps a particular police officer with whom MB had reportedly been having an affair. I'd be looking at spouses of anyone MB knew in police positions or with access to police gear (real or fake). SGT S? Mr AJ?

  • Mrs Wall

    Mrs Wall Dallas, Tx

    Rediculously embarassing that suspect has not been arrested. A clear head on , face forward, video facial image just three to four inches away from church window of this suspect before "he" broke it from outside the church. ( Sorry , but women just do not have certain facial features.) ATF, was called in. We can pretty much eliminate Alcohol / Tobacco as to why the need for ATF on this atrocious murder scene. ( Suspect had to have had a deeply personal and vile connection to Missy.) He left very little of her intact. < Thus , could not have been a hired Hit Man which would result in a simple immediate deadly shot. How on GODs green earth could anyone , even out of state, who was the only known person having conflicting situations with this victum at the time be deemed as innocent when there is a small airport 6 minutes from this crime scene ? Plus, there is a whole LARGE wealthy flying community of private homes within 15 minutes from thus crime scene and each has private plane hangers complete with several community RUNWAYS which are adjacent to every one of these Eagles Nest Community Homes. Police just do not know who stood to gain from Missys death, who Missy was having difficult times with and over money, nor who had also cheated on Missy, who had psych care due to a torn relationship with Missy, who Harbored resentment , who at first could not get his words right and said the strangest things. And, also, police just over looked cuts on knuckles and through fingernail which are in the interview photos of victums spouse. Probably , the police now shoukd be considered as party to this tragic occurrence for overlooking elephant sized cookies. What County did this take place in?

    Rediculously embarassing that suspect
    has not been arrested.
    A clear head on , face forward, video facial image just three to four inches away from church window of this suspect before "he" broke it from outside the church. ( Sorry , but women just do not have certain facial features.)
    ATF, was called in. We can pretty much eliminate Alcohol / Tobacco as to why the need for ATF on this atrocious murder scene. ( Suspect had to have had a deeply personal and vile connection to Missy.) He left very little of her intact. < Thus , could not have been a hired Hit Man which would result in a simple immediate deadly shot.
    How on GODs green earth could anyone , even out of state, who was
    the only known person having conflicting situations with this victum at the time be deemed as innocent when there is a small airport 6 minutes
    from this crime scene ? Plus, there is a whole LARGE wealthy flying community of private homes within 15 minutes from thus crime scene and each has private plane hangers complete with several community RUNWAYS which are adjacent to every one of these Eagles Nest Community Homes.
    Police just do not know who stood to gain from Missys death, who Missy was
    having difficult times with and over money, nor who had also cheated on Missy, who had psych care due to a torn relationship with Missy, who
    Harbored resentment , who at first could not get his words right and said the strangest things. And, also, police just over looked cuts on knuckles and through fingernail which are in the interview photos of victums spouse.
    Probably , the police now shoukd be considered as party to this tragic occurrence for overlooking elephant sized cookies.
    What County did this take place in?

  • AL

    AL Ohio

    Looked at this with a physical therapist, a few other people have noticed too. The right foot is very outturned on the suspect. Not much footage of Randy's foot but the one shot, when he walks out the front door, his right foot is also very outturned. Very chilling

    Looked at this with a physical therapist, a few other people have noticed too. The right foot is very outturned on the suspect. Not much footage of Randy's foot but the one shot, when he walks out the front door, his right foot is also very outturned. Very chilling

  • Monte Clark

    Monte Clark Independence Missouri

    That suspect is crazed and had no specific plan. His right leg swings extremely outward in comparison to his left and Randy doesn't have that same difference between legs. That leg appears unnatural and maybe a prosthetic. Also very uncouth and probably trailer trash.

    That suspect is crazed and had no specific plan.
    His right leg swings extremely outward in comparison to his left and Randy doesn't have that same difference between legs.
    That leg appears unnatural and maybe a prosthetic.
    Also very uncouth and probably trailer trash.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    The slow strange walk.... So much discussed about a possible injury or prosthetic. These both seem to be good possibilities. One thought regarding the perp was that they had fled the scene on foot. Makes you wonder, if this person put as I believe to be a lot of thought and planning into this crime if they would have chose to leave on foot with a bad leg. I still think there is a vehicle involved. More so- shocked that there has been no movement on this thing. Nic

    The slow strange walk.... So much discussed about a possible injury or prosthetic. These both seem to be good possibilities. One thought regarding the perp was that they had fled the scene on foot. Makes you wonder, if this person put as I believe to be a lot of thought and planning into this crime if they would have chose to leave on foot with a bad leg. I still think there is a vehicle involved. More so- shocked that there has been no movement on this thing. Nic

  • Jack

    Jack

    I do not specifically claim expertise in any field. I offer the theory that this was a burglary gone wrong, that the intruder was surprised by the victim, and that he killed her in a panic. The following thoughts assume the foregoing theory. It is common to see in criminal activity including property crimes and drug sales that the potential for security/surveillance cameras does not deter some criminals; perpetrators compensate for it by disguising their appearance. And as it is with all other endeavors, some burglars are lazy, unintelligent, or unmotivated, and those less clever and industrious criminals tend to obtain their disguises and other tools from those close to hand. They also tend not to plan extensively. The helmet appears to be an M88 tactical helmet, perhaps a replica like those used for activities like airsoft or paintball. Especially at about 1:41 in the video, the combination of the brim and outsized ear protectors appears to distinguish it from other helmet styles. Because paintball/airsoft helmets are not ballistic, they are not made to rigid standards. There are variations in finish and are inexpensive. See, for one example of a semi-gloss, https://www.amazon.com/Airsoft-Outdoor-Tactical-Paintball-Black-001/dp/B074FXPFPP/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1515338542&amp;sr=8-1-fkmr2&amp;keywords=BLACK+M88+SWAT+TACTICAL+MILITARY+HELMET+PAINTBALL+AIRSOFT+ARMY+POLICE+HAT Additionally, genuine tactical helmets are ballistic in design, are much heavier than replicas, and take some getting used to wearing. Although this person does not appear to be accustomed to wearing/moving in ballistic gear, he does not appear to have any difficulty in wearing the helmet, suggesting it is not heavy; and thus a replica. The footwear is perhaps significant. The style appears to be consistent with police tactical gear. There appears to be some blousing at the cuff, but not riding as high as with military fatigues. Military boots generally have a greater shaft height than police tactical boots, the latter wearable with both tactical fatigue pants and (unbloused) patrol uniform pants. The boot style is distinguishable at 1:02 – 1:04 in the video. Additionally at that point in the video, it is offered that the boots may appear to give off a gloss more consistent with leather than with manmade materials (although not a firm impression). It is difficult to determine whether the rest of the gear is genuine, replica, or hodge-podge, except for the POLICE patch. Not difficult to obtain, it would still be unusual for it to be worn by non-law enforcement personnel in public, unless at a costume party (even that’s iffy) or in a stage or screen production (rare). It could, however, be the prized personal possession of someone that enjoys fantasizing about being a police officer – someone that, for instance, uses all of the regalia while engaged in airsoft mock combat EXCEPT for the Police patch, affixing it only when modeling in front of the bathroom mirror. I do not see anything in the gait of the suspect that necessarily suggests an organic defect or injury. The suspect’s physique and gait appear consistent with someone that is overweight, with little athletic ability, and that is somewhat sedentary/not physically fit. The unusual gait might perhaps be exaggerated if the suspect is wearing someone else’s boots that are not his size (relative’s uniform). It is possible under this theory that the suspect had access to ballistic gear through a connection to law enforcement (as with a relative who is an officer), perhaps from a smaller agency in which budgetary concerns force officers to purchase their own gear; which they would often keep in their homes or personal vehicles (smaller agencies also have less rigid physical standards, leading to officers of greater girth and correspondingly larger apparel). Consider, also, that the gear may belong to a former officer/relative or one that was deployed in the military at that time (making it less likely that the gear was closely monitored). It seems unlikely that the break-in was a ruse to cover up an intended murder – too many moving parts. Such a planned attack would either be conducted in the parking lot away from cameras and in a position to ensure the victim was alone, or the killer would take up position at the point of attack and wait, not go exploring and risk being observed, being out of position, or making noise that would alert the victim upon entering (it is unlikely the killer would know the precise moment when she was to arrive). Setting up in the building would be poor planning in any case. What happens if just one early-rising class participant arrived early so they could drink coffee and finish listening to the latest episode of True Crime Garage. The teacher would then not be alone upon entering. The window of opportunity is too narrow. In any case, how to know which entrance the victim would use? It would seem that the suspect would have to set up visual observation of the entrance to the parking lot, track the victim’s vehicle to determine the point of likely entry, and then move to that area for ambush. Someone there to kill someone arriving would be keenly observant, not strolling and plundering about the place. Finally, it seems apparent that the suspect was way too casual to be there to commit a murder. In sum, I theorize that this is a right-handed male between 18 and 30 years of age, of modest intellect and/or ambition, perhaps one that likes fantasy or role-playing games and activities, and is not physically active – even lethargic, perhaps. He may be unemployed, either through lack of effort or because of an actual or perceived physical or cognitive impairment, and is thus financially dependent on someone else, like a parent. He broke into the church, perhaps a secondary target, to see what he might find to steal, and ambled about like the dolt that he is, exploring at random. His disguise is consistent with (a) a detailed replica of a police tactical uniform (down to tactical boots) of the type used in mock combat by non-law enforcement persons, or (b) an actual police tactical uniform that has been misappropriated. He brought the tools of his trade with him, but he put little effort into the endeavor; including his attempt to breach what is probably a solid interior door in a metal casing (it’s not that easy to do). He was startled to encounter the victim, who was at first puzzled by the killer’s appearance, but quickly alarmed and who tried to call 911. The burglar panicked and struck her to prevent her from summoning the police. While not an exclusive theory, nor advanced as superior to others , it would open up the investigation to other avenues. Investigators may wish to interview workers at area paintball and airsoft venues, game stores, arcades, and the like (including the sporting goods store across the highway that sells tactical weaponry and other accessories; the one through which a car was observed to move somewhat furtively around the time of the murder) with an emphasis on “geardos” (people that go overboard on costuming, etc.). Indeed, it may well be that the sporting goods store was the intended target, but for whatever reason, the killer decided it was too risky, then picked an alternative target (perhaps at random). In that case, he might be a frequent customer, one that often window shops as a hobby. Adjunct to this theory, the suspect might well have had prior contact with law enforcement (a) as a local “mope” with petty criminal history (look for crime similarity), (b) through disputes with persons through which the suspect has insinuated himself as something of a public guardian (i.e., police wannabe), or (c) as a “hang around,” someone infatuated with law enforcement but with no obvious prospect for a related career. The suspect may also be equally enamored with the military. Interviewees may include not only local law enforcement, but military branch recruiters, high school teachers, and Jr. R.O.T.C. instructors. OTHER THOUGHTS: Consider whether the suspect was on foot or in a vehicle. The location of the crime scene along a highway would suggest either transportation or short walking distance. It was raining but the suspect was not obviously soaked nor dripping/tracking. His boots appeared clean. There appear to be few dwellings in the immediate area. The church is in the deep “V” between two creeks, further limiting pedestrian ingress/egress from adjacent residences. All of this suggests transportation. Next consider the 7:51-minute SWFA outside surveillance video. It seems beyond serious question that the driver was being furtive. The cars lights went out as soon as it left the highway. The car slow-rolled the entire perimeter, pausing when it saw vehicles in the rear, turning lights on then off again, and finally stopping with lights out for over three minutes in the parking lot before leaving (illuminating a turn signal as it entered the roadway, for whatever that is worth). Apart from a temptation to link this occurrence to the crimes at the church on a space-time basis, it is suspicious in its own right. It is consistent with a commercial burglary and inconsistent with almost anything else (a traveling motorist would not have been likely to act in that manner, and would have been more inclined to travel on to the lights of the upcoming city where there would be more obvious locations for a stop). I keep going back in my mind to the POLICE patch on the back of the vest. This is just speculation for the purpose of stirring others’ thoughts, but why the patch? The suspect has no bearing, no sense of presence that comes from policing (not that all police officers do). It occurs to me that a legitimate police officer would not label himself up front, but rather, would likely stay as inconspicuous and undistinguishable as possible until it became necessary to use his credentials, at which point he would display badge/I.D. as the situation warranted. The patch commits him too early. Someone not experienced in law enforcement, on the other hand, would be more inclined to pre-emptively don the accoutrements of an officer as a talisman against detection and capture. Finally, a real officer would likely have an equipped duty belt and be armed; most likely with a pistol in a tactical holster. The suspect is most likely a dull-witted, pudgy poser.

    I do not specifically claim expertise in any field. I offer the theory that this was a burglary gone wrong, that the intruder was surprised by the victim, and that he killed her in a panic. The following thoughts assume the foregoing theory.

    It is common to see in criminal activity including property crimes and drug sales that the potential for security/surveillance cameras does not deter some criminals; perpetrators compensate for it by disguising their appearance. And as it is with all other endeavors, some burglars are lazy, unintelligent, or unmotivated, and those less clever and industrious criminals tend to obtain their disguises and other tools from those close to hand. They also tend not to plan extensively.

    The helmet appears to be an M88 tactical helmet, perhaps a replica like those used for activities like airsoft or paintball. Especially at about 1:41 in the video, the combination of the brim and outsized ear protectors appears to distinguish it from other helmet styles. Because paintball/airsoft helmets are not ballistic, they are not made to rigid standards. There are variations in finish and are inexpensive. See, for one example of a semi-gloss, https://www.amazon.com/Airsoft-Outdoor-Tactical-Paintball-Black-001/dp/B074FXPFPP/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1515338542&sr=8-1-fkmr2&keywords=BLACK+M88+SWAT+TACTICAL+MILITARY+HELMET+PAINTBALL+AIRSOFT+ARMY+POLICE+HAT

    Additionally, genuine tactical helmets are ballistic in design, are much heavier than replicas, and take some getting used to wearing. Although this person does not appear to be accustomed to wearing/moving in ballistic gear, he does not appear to have any difficulty in wearing the helmet, suggesting it is not heavy; and thus a replica.

    The footwear is perhaps significant. The style appears to be consistent with police tactical gear. There appears to be some blousing at the cuff, but not riding as high as with military fatigues. Military boots generally have a greater shaft height than police tactical boots, the latter wearable with both tactical fatigue pants and (unbloused) patrol uniform pants. The boot style is distinguishable at 1:02 – 1:04 in the video. Additionally at that point in the video, it is offered that the boots may appear to give off a gloss more consistent with leather than with manmade materials (although not a firm impression).

    It is difficult to determine whether the rest of the gear is genuine, replica, or hodge-podge, except for the POLICE patch. Not difficult to obtain, it would still be unusual for it to be worn by non-law enforcement personnel in public, unless at a costume party (even that’s iffy) or in a stage or screen production (rare). It could, however, be the prized personal possession of someone that enjoys fantasizing about being a police officer – someone that, for instance, uses all of the regalia while engaged in airsoft mock combat EXCEPT for the Police patch, affixing it only when modeling in front of the bathroom mirror.

    I do not see anything in the gait of the suspect that necessarily suggests an organic defect or injury. The suspect’s physique and gait appear consistent with someone that is overweight, with little athletic ability, and that is somewhat sedentary/not physically fit. The unusual gait might perhaps be exaggerated if the suspect is wearing someone else’s boots that are not his size (relative’s uniform).

    It is possible under this theory that the suspect had access to ballistic gear through a connection to law enforcement (as with a relative who is an officer), perhaps from a smaller agency in which budgetary concerns force officers to purchase their own gear; which they would often keep in their homes or personal vehicles (smaller agencies also have less rigid physical standards, leading to officers of greater girth and correspondingly larger apparel). Consider, also, that the gear may belong to a former officer/relative or one that was deployed in the military at that time (making it less likely that the gear was closely monitored).

    It seems unlikely that the break-in was a ruse to cover up an intended murder – too many moving parts. Such a planned attack would either be conducted in the parking lot away from cameras and in a position to ensure the victim was alone, or the killer would take up position at the point of attack and wait, not go exploring and risk being observed, being out of position, or making noise that would alert the victim upon entering (it is unlikely the killer would know the precise moment when she was to arrive).

    Setting up in the building would be poor planning in any case. What happens if just one early-rising class participant arrived early so they could drink coffee and finish listening to the latest episode of True Crime Garage. The teacher would then not be alone upon entering. The window of opportunity is too narrow. In any case, how to know which entrance the victim would use? It would seem that the suspect would have to set up visual observation of the entrance to the parking lot, track the victim’s vehicle to determine the point of likely entry, and then move to that area for ambush. Someone there to kill someone arriving would be keenly observant, not strolling and plundering about the place. Finally, it seems apparent that the suspect was way too casual to be there to commit a murder.

    In sum, I theorize that this is a right-handed male between 18 and 30 years of age, of modest intellect and/or ambition, perhaps one that likes fantasy or role-playing games and activities, and is not physically active – even lethargic, perhaps. He may be unemployed, either through lack of effort or because of an actual or perceived physical or cognitive impairment, and is thus financially dependent on someone else, like a parent. He broke into the church, perhaps a secondary target, to see what he might find to steal, and ambled about like the dolt that he is, exploring at random. His disguise is consistent with (a) a detailed replica of a police tactical uniform (down to tactical boots) of the type used in mock combat by non-law enforcement persons, or (b) an actual police tactical uniform that has been misappropriated. He brought the tools of his trade with him, but he put little effort into the endeavor; including his attempt to breach what is probably a solid interior door in a metal casing (it’s not that easy to do). He was startled to encounter the victim, who was at first puzzled by the killer’s appearance, but quickly alarmed and who tried to call 911. The burglar panicked and struck her to prevent her from summoning the police.

    While not an exclusive theory, nor advanced as superior to others , it would open up the investigation to other avenues. Investigators may wish to interview workers at area paintball and airsoft venues, game stores, arcades, and the like (including the sporting goods store across the highway that sells tactical weaponry and other accessories; the one through which a car was observed to move somewhat furtively around the time of the murder) with an emphasis on “geardos” (people that go overboard on costuming, etc.). Indeed, it may well be that the sporting goods store was the intended target, but for whatever reason, the killer decided it was too risky, then picked an alternative target (perhaps at random). In that case, he might be a frequent customer, one that often window shops as a hobby.

    Adjunct to this theory, the suspect might well have had prior contact with law enforcement (a) as a local “mope” with petty criminal history (look for crime similarity), (b) through disputes with persons through which the suspect has insinuated himself as something of a public guardian (i.e., police wannabe), or (c) as a “hang around,” someone infatuated with law enforcement but with no obvious prospect for a related career. The suspect may also be equally enamored with the military. Interviewees may include not only local law enforcement, but military branch recruiters, high school teachers, and Jr. R.O.T.C. instructors.

    OTHER THOUGHTS:

    Consider whether the suspect was on foot or in a vehicle. The location of the crime scene along a highway would suggest either transportation or short walking distance. It was raining but the suspect was not obviously soaked nor dripping/tracking. His boots appeared clean. There appear to be few dwellings in the immediate area. The church is in the deep “V” between two creeks, further limiting pedestrian ingress/egress from adjacent residences. All of this suggests transportation.

    Next consider the 7:51-minute SWFA outside surveillance video. It seems beyond serious question that the driver was being furtive. The cars lights went out as soon as it left the highway. The car slow-rolled the entire perimeter, pausing when it saw vehicles in the rear, turning lights on then off again, and finally stopping with lights out for over three minutes in the parking lot before leaving (illuminating a turn signal as it entered the roadway, for whatever that is worth). Apart from a temptation to link this occurrence to the crimes at the church on a space-time basis, it is suspicious in its own right. It is consistent with a commercial burglary and inconsistent with almost anything else (a traveling motorist would not have been likely to act in that manner, and would have been more inclined to travel on to the lights of the upcoming city where there would be more obvious locations for a stop).

    I keep going back in my mind to the POLICE patch on the back of the vest. This is just speculation for the purpose of stirring others’ thoughts, but why the patch? The suspect has no bearing, no sense of presence that comes from policing (not that all police officers do). It occurs to me that a legitimate police officer would not label himself up front, but rather, would likely stay as inconspicuous and undistinguishable as possible until it became necessary to use his credentials, at which point he would display badge/I.D. as the situation warranted. The patch commits him too early. Someone not experienced in law enforcement, on the other hand, would be more inclined to pre-emptively don the accoutrements of an officer as a talisman against detection and capture. Finally, a real officer would likely have an equipped duty belt and be armed; most likely with a pistol in a tactical holster. The suspect is most likely a dull-witted, pudgy poser.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    At Anon, I love this theory. First you are one of few that like myself believe this to be a man. Second and more importantly, you said.... Investigators may wish to interview workers at area paintball and airsoft venues, game stores, arcades, and the like (including the sporting goods store across the highway that sells tactical weaponry and other accessories; the one through which a car was observed to move somewhat furtively around the time of the murder) with an emphasis on “geardos” (people that go overboard on costuming, etc.). Indeed, it may well be that the sporting goods store was the intended target, but for whatever reason, the killer decided it was too risky, then picked an alternative target (perhaps at random) This is quite interesting because of the decided efforts made by the operator of the vehicle such as lights and movement just as you pointed out. But I would like to add something to that vehicle seen in the sporting good store parking lot. At one point you can clearly see lights changing color and or flickering in one of the upper floor Windows, if not two of them. Sorry I haven't watched the video in some time. This couple with the vehicles parked I'm guessing around the back would lead the person to believe someone was in the building those adding to your thought that they then went looking for a new target. If your theory is correct I would tend to believe the offender actually took something(s) from the church building. There is a portion of the tape where the offender is carrying a rectangle box that I can not see on his person in earlier portions of the video. Also the comment of "might have been there to steal audio equipment" I believe this may have come from the husband, this may be something the police told the husband and later he relayed to the media. This could be hold back evidence and I have been doing this long enough to know that especially with cases that have caught the attention of the media and public eye most of not all hold back information eventually gets leaked. Well done Anon! Cheers Nic

    At Anon, I love this theory. First you are one of few that like myself believe this to be a man. Second and more importantly, you said....

    Investigators may wish to interview workers at area paintball and airsoft venues, game stores, arcades, and the like (including the sporting goods store across the highway that sells tactical weaponry and other accessories; the one through which a car was observed to move somewhat furtively around the time of the murder) with an emphasis on “geardos” (people that go overboard on costuming, etc.). Indeed, it may well be that the sporting goods store was the intended target, but for whatever reason, the killer decided it was too risky, then picked an alternative target (perhaps at random)

    This is quite interesting because of the decided efforts made by the operator of the vehicle such as lights and movement just as you pointed out. But I would like to add something to that vehicle seen in the sporting good store parking lot. At one point you can clearly see lights changing color and or flickering in one of the upper floor Windows, if not two of them. Sorry I haven't watched the video in some time. This couple with the vehicles parked I'm guessing around the back would lead the person to believe someone was in the building those adding to your thought that they then went looking for a new target. If your theory is correct I would tend to believe the offender actually took something(s) from the church building. There is a portion of the tape where the offender is carrying a rectangle box that I can not see on his person in earlier portions of the video. Also the comment of "might have been there to steal audio equipment" I believe this may have come from the husband, this may be something the police told the husband and later he relayed to the media. This could be hold back evidence and I have been doing this long enough to know that especially with cases that have caught the attention of the media and public eye most of not all hold back information eventually gets leaked.
    Well done Anon!
    Cheers Nic

  • Jack

    Jack

    Nic, I’m from the South. Suspect moves like half the collard green-eating good ole boys with whom I grew up (no hate; I love me some greens and it shows). Looks kind of like half the customers in SWFA (see YouTube videos, especially “binocular bandit” videos). Looks like some of the staff, for that matter. On the SWFA surveillance video. Unless I’m mistaken, the flicker in the upper window is a big screen monitor with split screens to view surveillance video. The flickers seen are different camera angles cycling through the monitor (notice how the screens pixelate as they change camera view). It’s common for businesses to leave a surveillance monitor in view of the public to deter thieves. Indeed, then, it could have deterred a thief, perhaps not because he thought someone was in the building, but because he realized he was likely being recorded. Further, in the surveillance video there can be seen four windows each on the first and second floors in this area, with the screen flicker being seen in the far right window of the second floor. By comparing inside and outside photos on the Google Maps photos section for SWFA Outdoors, one can see that (for the relevant portion of the surveillance video, being 6:48 to 7:02), of the four downstairs windows (on the side adjacent to the concrete picnic tables), three are on the retail sales floor, with the fourth (far right, difficult to see) being made of glass bricks – and is the public bathroom window. Of the three “upstairs” windows, the leftmost three are located in the open ceiling of the retail area, while the fourth opens into what is most likely a second-floor office area (perhaps a security office – those guys are SERIOUS about surveillance). This further supports (indirectly) the male burglar theory. First, women RARELY (if ever) commit commercial burglary alone, and certainly not as the main actor (breach, entry, hunt/gather), at least in this region and in my experience (former law enforcement and prosecutor). Second, suppose SWFA Driver was going to commit a murder. Was he just recorded from upteen different angles and knows it? Time to abort and regroup. A thief in search of audio equipment is a good fit for (at least) two reasons regardless of holdback. First, I don’t put a lot of stock in the thought that the thief was after money. I think it pretty well-understood that, especially in a larger, more modern church, they don’t leave the offering laying around until the bank opens on Monday; just not a thing. What is a thing: large Protestant churches often have good A/V equipment. A quick trip through Google Maps photos for Creekside Church (not to be confused with Creekside Church of Christ in nearby Greenville, TX) supports the notion. Second, it’s practically an article of faith in law enforcement that burglars on foot steal only what they can carry; with larger, heavier items being reserved to those burglars in vehicles. If the thief was after A/V equipment, he had wheels. SIDE NOTE - People aren’t always deterred by cameras: looking at SWFA’s videos on YouTube, there’s one titled, “Guide Rod Bandit.” That place has so many clearly-visible security cameras inside and out that a person could get a 3D colonoscopy just walking through the place, and yet, this guy stuffs a package down his shirt while on center stage. His actions were partially concealed by shelving and a column with (ironically) a surveillance camera warning sign on it. Still, the package quite obviously vanished from his hand as it passed near his waistband (and the thief gave confirmation by making an adjustment after coming back into view). That level of brazenness is not uncommon. P.S. (not intended to make the post) I’m logged in as Jack; not sure how posted as Anon.

    Nic,

    I’m from the South. Suspect moves like half the collard green-eating good ole boys with whom I grew up (no hate; I love me some greens and it shows). Looks kind of like half the customers in SWFA (see YouTube videos, especially “binocular bandit” videos). Looks like some of the staff, for that matter.

    On the SWFA surveillance video. Unless I’m mistaken, the flicker in the upper window is a big screen monitor with split screens to view surveillance video. The flickers seen are different camera angles cycling through the monitor (notice how the screens pixelate as they change camera view). It’s common for businesses to leave a surveillance monitor in view of the public to deter thieves. Indeed, then, it could have deterred a thief, perhaps not because he thought someone was in the building, but because he realized he was likely being recorded.

    Further, in the surveillance video there can be seen four windows each on the first and second floors in this area, with the screen flicker being seen in the far right window of the second floor. By comparing inside and outside photos on the Google Maps photos section for SWFA Outdoors, one can see that (for the relevant portion of the surveillance video, being 6:48 to 7:02), of the four downstairs windows (on the side adjacent to the concrete picnic tables), three are on the retail sales floor, with the fourth (far right, difficult to see) being made of glass bricks – and is the public bathroom window. Of the three “upstairs” windows, the leftmost three are located in the open ceiling of the retail area, while the fourth opens into what is most likely a second-floor office area (perhaps a security office – those guys are SERIOUS about surveillance).

    This further supports (indirectly) the male burglar theory. First, women RARELY (if ever) commit commercial burglary alone, and certainly not as the main actor (breach, entry, hunt/gather), at least in this region and in my experience (former law enforcement and prosecutor). Second, suppose SWFA Driver was going to commit a murder. Was he just recorded from upteen different angles and knows it? Time to abort and regroup.

    A thief in search of audio equipment is a good fit for (at least) two reasons regardless of holdback. First, I don’t put a lot of stock in the thought that the thief was after money. I think it pretty well-understood that, especially in a larger, more modern church, they don’t leave the offering laying around until the bank opens on Monday; just not a thing. What is a thing: large Protestant churches often have good A/V equipment. A quick trip through Google Maps photos for Creekside Church (not to be confused with Creekside Church of Christ in nearby Greenville, TX) supports the notion. Second, it’s practically an article of faith in law enforcement that burglars on foot steal only what they can carry; with larger, heavier items being reserved to those burglars in vehicles. If the thief was after A/V equipment, he had wheels.

    SIDE NOTE - People aren’t always deterred by cameras: looking at SWFA’s videos on YouTube, there’s one titled, “Guide Rod Bandit.” That place has so many clearly-visible security cameras inside and out that a person could get a 3D colonoscopy just walking through the place, and yet, this guy stuffs a package down his shirt while on center stage. His actions were partially concealed by shelving and a column with (ironically) a surveillance camera warning sign on it. Still, the package quite obviously vanished from his hand as it passed near his waistband (and the thief gave confirmation by making an adjustment after coming back into view). That level of brazenness is not uncommon.

    P.S. (not intended to make the post) I’m logged in as Jack; not sure how posted as Anon.

  • SAHM Couch Detective

    SAHM Couch Detective Parts Unknown

    My first impression is this looks like a woman who is PISSED. As a woman, this is how I walk when I have the righteous fury of Satan and all his demons on my coat tails. In fact, I’m sure if anyone has recorded me making some of my less upstanding decisions, this is the stride of purpose I had at the time. WITH THAT BEING SAID... does anyone else notice how the husband seems to only share interactions she had with him over text/things he has seen from her Facebook? It seems as though he almost doesn’t know what his wife is doing. He even mentions that he isn’t involved in her fitness classes. I’m married, and I tell my husband everything. They seem to have a major marital disconnect.

    My first impression is this looks like a woman who is PISSED. As a woman, this is how I walk when I have the righteous fury of Satan and all his demons on my coat tails. In fact, I’m sure if anyone has recorded me making some of my less upstanding decisions, this is the stride of purpose I had at the time. WITH THAT BEING SAID... does anyone else notice how the husband seems to only share interactions she had with him over text/things he has seen from her Facebook? It seems as though he almost doesn’t know what his wife is doing. He even mentions that he isn’t involved in her fitness classes. I’m married, and I tell my husband everything. They seem to have a major marital disconnect.

  • SAHM Couch Detective

    SAHM Couch Detective Parts Unknown

    One more thing, did anyone else see where the husband came out after only one year and said he was “done searching??” Has anyone ever seen anything like that in a cold case before? Especially so soon

    One more thing, did anyone else see where the husband came out after only one year and said he was “done searching??” Has anyone ever seen anything like that in a cold case before? Especially so soon

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Done searching certainly seems like a strange thing to announce to the public especially when his kids would see/hear that statement. I would want the children of my slain wife to believe their father would never stop looking for the killer. I should say this though... Some family members and families never fully work through the loss of that loved one. The grieving process is often long and complicated. He may have had to say I can no longer look for her killer because it has been a year now and at some point I as a man and as a father need to start healing for the sake of my children and family. Food for thought. While we continue on to look for Missy's killer there are still a lot of innocent people that were close to her that are still hurting very, very badly. - Nic

    Done searching certainly seems like a strange thing to announce to the public especially when his kids would see/hear that statement. I would want the children of my slain wife to believe their father would never stop looking for the killer. I should say this though... Some family members and families never fully work through the loss of that loved one. The grieving process is often long and complicated. He may have had to say I can no longer look for her killer because it has been a year now and at some point I as a man and as a father need to start healing for the sake of my children and family. Food for thought. While we continue on to look for Missy's killer there are still a lot of innocent people that were close to her that are still hurting very, very badly. - Nic

  • Penny

    Penny Australia

    Concerning ValB’s very long but very insightful comment. I’m in total agreement with her except that I still think it’s the father-in-law. I keep checking back on YouTube &amp; google to see if there are any updates to the case. No matter how many times I show the footage of the actual church &amp; perpetrator &amp; the father in law walking into the police station to my family &amp; friends they ALL think the same. IT’S DEFINATELY HIM. When police ‘may’ know the identity of the perpetrator sometimes they need evidence to LINK that person to the crime and maybe they just DON’T have any links back to the FIL as yet. BUT I’LL BET YOUR BALLS 🎱 ITS HIM !!!!!

    Concerning ValB’s very long but very insightful comment. I’m in total agreement with her except that I still think it’s the father-in-law. I keep checking back on YouTube & google to see if there are any updates to the case. No matter how many times I show the footage of the actual church & perpetrator & the father in law walking into the police station to my family & friends they ALL think the same. IT’S DEFINATELY HIM. When police ‘may’ know the identity of the perpetrator sometimes they need evidence to LINK that person to the crime and maybe they just DON’T have any links back to the FIL as yet. BUT I’LL BET YOUR BALLS 🎱 ITS HIM !!!!!

  • (T)

    (T) New York

    I can see much similarity in the perp and the FIL. But although with all the extra clothing, the perp seems to have better movement than the FIL. By no means does he have an athletic appearance, but does seem to move around better than the FIL dressed in light clothing. Also notice, the FIL's head is always somewhat forward. Never straight with the back. Although sometime forward, much of the time the perp's head is pretty much straight with the back.. I have suspicion that authorities is keeping fairly silent (for good reason), and have already interviewed the person involved, and they know it. But it's not the FIL.. (T)

    I can see much similarity in the perp and the FIL. But although with all the
    extra clothing, the perp seems to have better movement than the FIL. By no
    means does he have an athletic appearance, but does seem to move around
    better than the FIL dressed in light clothing. Also notice, the FIL's head is always
    somewhat forward. Never straight with the back. Although sometime forward,
    much of the time the perp's head is pretty much straight with the back..
    I have suspicion that authorities is keeping fairly silent (for good reason),
    and have already interviewed the person involved, and they know it. But it's
    not the FIL.. (T)

  • Kim

    Kim Washington state

    For me, its the back hump, the walk the height, the weight. Its him. I'm willing to bet my life on it. That must be why they grabbed his dry cleaning. I want to drive down there and tell it to his stupid face that he wont get away with it. But I want them to catch him more.

    For me, its the back hump, the walk the height, the weight. Its him. I'm willing to bet my life on it. That must be why they grabbed his dry cleaning. I want to drive down there and tell it to his stupid face that he wont get away with it. But I want them to catch him more.

  • MK

    MK California

    Please consider whether the suspect is a distance driver. People who drive frequently for long distances may have feet that splay out - especially a right foot that splays out considerably more than the left foot. It's not just that the foot splays out - its the entire lower leg - it can lead to right knee pain (called gas pedal knee) for which the person might have had medical attention. I think we can assume that the feet are splayed out from a sitting occupation and not from ballet practice :) Other professions where a person sits and turns the right foot out frequently more than the left foot - operating some sort of machinery? PS I agree that the suspect seems to be manufacturing evidence of a break in / burglary rather than actually looking to steal anything. If that is a computer hard drive, s/he may think s/he removed video footage. Thanks.

    Please consider whether the suspect is a distance driver. People who drive frequently for long distances may have feet that splay out - especially a right foot that splays out considerably more than the left foot. It's not just that the foot splays out - its the entire lower leg - it can lead to right knee pain (called gas pedal knee) for which the person might have had medical attention. I think we can assume that the feet are splayed out from a sitting occupation and not from ballet practice smile Other professions where a person sits and turns the right foot out frequently more than the left foot - operating some sort of machinery? PS I agree that the suspect seems to be manufacturing evidence of a break in / burglary rather than actually looking to steal anything. If that is a computer hard drive, s/he may think s/he removed video footage. Thanks.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thanks MK and I like your use of the s/he - time and space saver. I'll have to use that going forward. Cheers Nic

    Thanks MK and I like your use of the s/he - time and space saver. I'll have to use that going forward.
    Cheers Nic

  • Phil D'Fridge

    Phil D'Fridge Brisbane, Australia

    I think the person in the CCTV video is pretending to be the father-in-law.

    I think the person in the CCTV video is pretending to be the father-in-law.

  • kayla

    kayla texas

    The right foot pointing outward is the exact way the father in law walks. It's him I believe, maybe did it for his son? Don't have motive but pretty sure that walk is the same and height seems to concur also.

    The right foot pointing outward is the exact way the father in law walks. It's him I believe, maybe did it for his son? Don't have motive but pretty sure that walk is the same and height seems to concur also.

  • Beck

    Beck Australia

    I agree with Phil. It looks like it's a person trying to look like Randy, yet it's over exaggerated. He/she is trying to make the place look like it's been a robbery, hence why he/she casually misses some doors, to make it look random. Cops should look into randy's liFe and who may want to hurt him by hurting his family.

    I agree with Phil. It looks like it's a person trying to look like Randy, yet it's over exaggerated. He/she is trying to make the place look like it's been a robbery, hence why he/she casually misses some doors, to make it look random. Cops should look into randy's liFe and who may want to hurt him by hurting his family.

  • Barbara B.

    Barbara B.

    The first thing I instantly thought when seeing this video is that this person is a woman. No doubt in my mind. And to me it looks like she is bored, waiting for Missy to show up, and is looking through rooms to kill some time. I bet the murderer knew her and planned the attack.Get Love you guys! Best podcast I have heard. Keep up the good work!

    The first thing I instantly thought when seeing this video is that this person is a woman. No doubt in my mind. And to me it looks like she is bored, waiting for Missy to show up, and is looking through rooms to kill some time. I bet the murderer knew her and planned the attack.Get
    Love you guys! Best podcast I have heard. Keep up the good work!

  • Gary

    Gary Pueblo, Colorado

    There were a couple of cases in 2013 not very far away in Kaufman County Texas. A prosecutor was killed outside the courthouse by a shooter dressed in tactical gear. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mark-hasse-texas-prosecutor-shot-dead-near-courthouse-suspects-sought/ A second prosecutor and his wife were murdered in their home, a coup,e was convicted they were revenge killings. The perp,looks like a woman to me, this is not a burglary, she is going through the motions, not really looking for or taking anything. I bet there is a look out, they are wanting to be notified of her arrival, making it look like a burglary.

    There were a couple of cases in 2013 not very far away in Kaufman County Texas. A prosecutor was killed outside the courthouse by a shooter dressed in tactical gear. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mark-hasse-texas-prosecutor-shot-dead-near-courthouse-suspects-sought/
    A second prosecutor and his wife were murdered in their home, a coup,e was convicted they were revenge killings.

    The perp,looks like a woman to me, this is not a burglary, she is going through the motions, not really looking for or taking anything. I bet there is a look out, they are wanting to be notified of her arrival, making it look like a burglary.

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