Mitrice Richardson ////// 75

Mitrice Richardson ////// 75 

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September 16th, 2009 - 24 year old Mitrice Richardson is briefly detained by deputies for not paying her bill at Geoffrey's restaurant on the Pacific Coast Highway. After midnight she is released from the Malibu/ Lost Hills Sheriff's station. She is without her car, purse and cellphone. She simply sets off on her own without provisions and walks off into the darkness. A little after 6am a trespasser matching Mitrice's description is spotted in the backyard of a home in Cold Canyon. Was this Mitrice? Regardless Mitrice was sent out into the dark, alone with no transportation in an area that she is unfamiliar and she disappears. Tonight we look for Mitrice Richardson and ask who could have taken her? 

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40 comments

  • Levieta Haulk

    Levieta Haulk Tennessee

    Perhaps, someone who works on the force gave her a ride and she mysteriously disappeared on the drive to her home. I believe there is a cover up in the department.

    Perhaps, someone who works on the force gave her a ride and she mysteriously disappeared on the drive to her home. I believe there is a cover up in the department.

  • Tracy

    Tracy Minneapolis

    Hello, I listened to your podcast on Matrice Richardson and looked up the case. I'm not sure if you knew the California attorney general re-opened the criminal investigation into Sheriff’s Department over Mitrice Richardson case six months ago. Link: http://www.dailynews.com/general-news/20160212/california-attorney-general-opens-criminal-investigation-into-sheriffs-department-over-mitrice-richardson-case Very interesting, thank you!

    Hello,

    I listened to your podcast on Matrice Richardson and looked up the case. I'm not sure if you knew the California attorney general re-opened the criminal investigation into Sheriff’s Department over Mitrice Richardson case six months ago.
    Link:
    http://www.dailynews.com/general-news/20160212/california-attorney-general-opens-criminal-investigation-into-sheriffs-department-over-mitrice-richardson-case

    Very interesting, thank you!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Tracy, Thank you for posting that here. We are all hoping for new developments in this case. It clearly was mishandled by many who should know better. Cheers, Nic

    Tracy,
    Thank you for posting that here. We are all hoping for new developments in this case. It clearly was mishandled by many who should know better.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Summer

    Summer Minneapolis

    Hey guys...during the podcast on this episode, you mentioned that prints left showed she was running near the house of the man who reported a possible prowler. Were the prints running towards the house or away from it? It wasn't clear in the podcast, and wasn't sure if it was noted in the investigation. Just curious, because if she was perhaps scared off by the guy shouting out the window, it could easily explain her running off. I'd run too if it was dark, some guy I didn't know shouted out the window to me, and I was in a strange place.

    Hey guys...during the podcast on this episode, you mentioned that prints left showed she was running near the house of the man who reported a possible prowler. Were the prints running towards the house or away from it? It wasn't clear in the podcast, and wasn't sure if it was noted in the investigation. Just curious, because if she was perhaps scared off by the guy shouting out the window, it could easily explain her running off. I'd run too if it was dark, some guy I didn't know shouted out the window to me, and I was in a strange place.

  • Jennifer

    Jennifer Sacramento Ca

    Love the show guys! I watched this case on Disappeared years ago, an update said her remains were found a year or so after she went missing, also says the same on her Wikipedia page. I didn't hear any discussion about that on the podcast.

    Love the show guys! I watched this case on Disappeared years ago, an update said her remains were found a year or so after she went missing, also says the same on her Wikipedia page. I didn't hear any discussion about that on the podcast.

  • ADormi

    ADormi

    I found it interesting that the similarity to Shannon Gilbert Nic mentions is that Mitrice's clothing was near the body, not on the body. The more apparent connection between the two is the possibility that police are covering for a killer. As for the attorney who said that police would have given her a ride if her last name were Spears or Lohan, maybe that was overly dramatic on his part and maybe not. I am going to hazard a a guess that if she were white, then the officer that talked to her Mother the first time would have called her back when the police decided to release her. Thanks for sharing this story; if police can not or will not do better than this, then citizens should be demanding answers.

    I found it interesting that the similarity to Shannon Gilbert Nic mentions is that Mitrice's clothing was near the body, not on the body. The more apparent connection between the two is the possibility that police are covering for a killer. As for the attorney who said that police would have given her a ride if her last name were Spears or Lohan, maybe that was overly dramatic on his part and maybe not. I am going to hazard a a guess that if she were white, then the officer that talked to her Mother the first time would have called her back when the police decided to release her. Thanks for sharing this story; if police can not or will not do better than this, then citizens should be demanding answers.

  • Ro

    Ro

    Hi Captain and Nic! Poor beautiful woman...besides the gross negligence against Mitrice...could this have been the onset of schizophrenia? She was in her early 20s. Thank you for doing this case! Captain, I love the passion I hear in your voice when you stick up for women. Cheers!

    Hi Captain and Nic! Poor beautiful woman...besides the gross negligence against Mitrice...could this have been the onset of schizophrenia? She was in her early 20s. Thank you for doing this case! Captain, I love the passion I hear in your voice when you stick up for women. Cheers!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Summer it may have been light by that time he called the sheriffs department at about 6:30am. I can't remember for certain if any reports stated the direction the tracks were traveling but I want to say away from the house because LE tried following them and the tracks were lost amongst horse tracks Nic

    Summer it may have been light by that time he called the sheriffs department at about 6:30am. I can't remember for certain if any reports stated the direction the tracks were traveling but I want to say away from the house because LE tried following them and the tracks were lost amongst horse tracks
    Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Jennifer it may have been unclear but we stated she went missing September of 2009 and her remains were found August 2010. The timeline was a bit jumbled on our end because there was so mush speculation and criticism to cover along the way Cheers, Nic

    Jennifer it may have been unclear but we stated she went missing September of 2009 and her remains were found August 2010. The timeline was a bit jumbled on our end because there was so mush speculation and criticism to cover along the way
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    ADormi, I failed to mention on the show that same sheriffs department drove Mel Gibson to his impounded vehicle after booking and releasing him for being drunk Nic

    ADormi,
    I failed to mention on the show that same sheriffs department drove Mel Gibson to his impounded vehicle after booking and releasing him for being drunk
    Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    3tcg Could be, very possible. I just find it extremely strange that her remains end up in a very, very remote location that the sheriffs department and a Mexican drug cartel were familiar with. That's too big of a coincidence for me to set aside. I think she may have been killed elsewhere, stored somewhere maybe even buried and then later moved. This could explain the missing bones. Cheers, Nic

    3tcg
    Could be, very possible. I just find it extremely strange that her remains end up in a very, very remote location that the sheriffs department and a Mexican drug cartel were familiar with. That's too big of a coincidence for me to set aside. I think she may have been killed elsewhere, stored somewhere maybe even buried and then later moved. This could explain the missing bones.
    Cheers, Nic

  • Jessica

    Jessica TX

    I find it very likely that poor Mitrice was experiencing a marijuana-induced psychotic episode. In those who are predisposed to these types of disorders, smoking marijuana can induce a psychotic state: https://news.vice.com/article/this-is-how-one-pot-smoker-learned-that-weed-plays-a-mysterious-role-in-psychosis I think this is the case because it hadn't been long that Mitrice was acting abnormally, so it didn't seem like she was already experiencing any symptoms of schizophrenia or related disorders for more than a day or two before she went missing (correct me if I'm wrong). Her strange behavior also coincided with finding marijuana on her person and in her car. I don't think Mitrice was lucid that night, and I think she was probably still in a poor state when she was released by the jail. As far as what happened to her after she left, I'm not really sure. I agree with Nic that it seems like foul play, because of how her clothing was found.

    I find it very likely that poor Mitrice was experiencing a marijuana-induced psychotic episode. In those who are predisposed to these types of disorders, smoking marijuana can induce a psychotic state: https://news.vice.com/article/this-is-how-one-pot-smoker-learned-that-weed-plays-a-mysterious-role-in-psychosis

    I think this is the case because it hadn't been long that Mitrice was acting abnormally, so it didn't seem like she was already experiencing any symptoms of schizophrenia or related disorders for more than a day or two before she went missing (correct me if I'm wrong). Her strange behavior also coincided with finding marijuana on her person and in her car. I don't think Mitrice was lucid that night, and I think she was probably still in a poor state when she was released by the jail.

    As far as what happened to her after she left, I'm not really sure. I agree with Nic that it seems like foul play, because of how her clothing was found.

  • Futsy

    Futsy Anywhere

    I was wondering on something that The Captain said last week .. He explained that "even this dummy had some pretty interesting opinions ", meaning himself and I was trying to remember what could he mean by that, when it dawned on me - it was when this rapist in ine case hss said to the victim "Murder or rape!" and he suggested that the victim maybe misheard and the actual threat was "Murder or RAKE?!?" (because the victim beat the aggressor with a rake) That was some genius level armchair detective/sleuth work there !!! Congrats!!!

    I was wondering on something that The Captain said last week .. He explained that "even this dummy had some pretty interesting opinions ", meaning himself and I was trying to remember what could he mean by that, when it dawned on me - it was when this rapist in ine case hss said to the victim "Murder or rape!" and he suggested that the victim maybe misheard and the actual threat was "Murder or RAKE?!?" (because the victim beat the aggressor with a rake) That was some genius level armchair detective/sleuth work there !!! Congrats!!!

  • Monica

    Monica Texas

    I read more about this case briefly online and what I didn't see or hear was about the impounded vehicle. Did the sheriffs department sweep for any evidence that would lead to a Vanessa, as mentioned to the valet guy, or did they question employees at her employer? Also I saw in an article that they obtained her purse and cell phone from her car??? Did they check phone/text records? What about any video footage from the street view, if any from police department? I have so many questions as well...

    I read more about this case briefly online and what I didn't see or hear was about the impounded vehicle. Did the sheriffs department sweep for any evidence that would lead to a Vanessa, as mentioned to the valet guy, or did they question employees at her employer? Also I saw in an article that they obtained her purse and cell phone from her car??? Did they check phone/text records? What about any video footage from the street view, if any from police department? I have so many questions as well...

  • Danny P

    Danny P NJ

    The First question the cop asked when the restaurant called was "what does she look like? Is she black? Hispanic" or something like that... Not "is she being belligerent? Violent? " i thought that was odd... Maybe she was fucked up on a substance or mentally unstable at the time and the cops took advantage of that. Obviously the cops are covering up something. Did you guys see any video from the police station? If so where could i find it? Like her mom said, maybe they dropped her off somewhere (after fuckin with her) then she popped up again when that news guy called, and then they went back n got her and did something with her. What are the chances of getting picked up by a random crazy person?! The one spokesman for the police. At the press conference is like "we probably wont find out who did this or what really happend" etc....what cop says that shit?! Someone knows!!

    The First question the cop asked when the restaurant called was "what does she look like? Is she black? Hispanic" or something like that... Not "is she being belligerent? Violent? " i thought that was odd... Maybe she was fucked up on a substance or mentally unstable at the time and the cops took advantage of that. Obviously the cops are covering up something. Did you guys see any video from the police station? If so where could i find it? Like her mom said, maybe they dropped her off somewhere (after fuckin with her) then she popped up again when that news guy called, and then they went back n got her and did something with her. What are the chances of getting picked up by a random crazy person?! The one spokesman for the police. At the press conference is like "we probably wont find out who did this or what really happend" etc....what cop says that shit?! Someone knows!!

  • Lita

    Lita PA

    Great episode, but just for your reference, hypomanic episodes have nothing to do with psychosis. Hypomania is an elevated mood state that can run the gamut from feeling more energized or creative to feeling incredibly irritated. It's one of the major differentiating factors between Bipolar I, which involves manic episodes, and II, which does not.

    Great episode, but just for your reference, hypomanic episodes have nothing to do with psychosis. Hypomania is an elevated mood state that can run the gamut from feeling more energized or creative to feeling incredibly irritated. It's one of the major differentiating factors between Bipolar I, which involves manic episodes, and II, which does not.

  • Tim

    Tim Chino Hills, Ca

    In addition to being an extremely tragic, this is a very interesting case in a number of ways. There is a number of things I have thought to share about it, but I am going to try to limit it to most interesting aspects that lend a local perspective to those who may be looking at this case from a far. First it should be noted that there is 13 miles between Geoffrey’s and the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department Lost Hills stations. They are on opposite sides of the Santa Monica Mountain range and it takes a full 30 minutes to drive between the two locations. The road that connects the two is a rural canyon road and has few street lights and no sidewalks. In parts it likely does not even have shoulders. A very tough walk. On a side note, I think the media and race politics started the idea that Mitrice was found in Dark Canyon or off of the none existent Dark Canyon Road. It is North of the actual road she was found near and is populated with homes unlike the unnamed area south of Piuma Road. While the Captain and some of the in the comments seemed to take exception with one of the family attorney’s making note of how the LASD would have treated a Lohan or Spears, this is actually a very revenant and salient point. This town is one of the richest in the Country and perhaps the world. But instead of having their own police force, they choose to pay the county Sheriff’s Department to patrol their community. One would think that like most cities the community would want their own police chief hired by the mayor or city council and beholden to them. Due to the property values there is clearly no shortage of funds. With their own police force they would have a stable group of officers rather than a constant rotation of Deputies required to work stints in the county jail. While I suppose the case could be made by someone other than Mel Gibson, who probably wouldn’t have minded recognizing the cop pulling him over for DUI a few years back, but the reality is that Sheriff Baca, who recently plead guilty in a corruption case, controlled something that a local Police Chief would not. The primary responsibility of the LA Sheriff is to operate the county jails. The same jail that Baca released Lindsey Lohan after serving only 84 minutes of her sentence due to overcrowding. Paris Hilton had to spend a day and a half in jail, before Baca commuted her 40-day sentence to house arrest. When Britney Spears was surrendered to the jail on criminal charges she was there for 45 minutes and was never put inside a holding cell. I think the attorney’s comments were spot on. Race and class politics in Los Angeles are woven all through this case. Things like the Captain not letting the family see the video is a direct result of that. In the past cop videos on the nightly news has not work out real well for LA law enforcement. And being that the family was awarded $900, 000 in a civil action, it is difficult to fault LASD for being slow to provide evidence that could be the basis for such litigation and is often subject to interpretation. Personally, I think the family settled to for too little even though I don’t fault the cops for releasing an adult they believe to be in their right mind. In 2006, an LA Fireman was awarded 2.5 Million for eating dog food in a fire house prank. Yet Mitrice’s life was only worth $900k. Really! All this having been said, I think there is reason to be skeptical that Mitrice was suffering from a mental break though she may have been depressed. For one thing, straight up Go-go dancers don’t need business cards. Secondly, some of her behavior could be describe as acting like a Diva. A little a loaf, talking like you’re on a different wave length, touching and playing with things you’re not supposed to. Perhaps she was in a mode to draw outside the lines a bit. I tend to think that her car was not searched until after she was reported missing. The cops would want and need her identification to process her. They would not search the car and not retrieve it. However, if your intent was to “dine and dash” you wouldn’t want ID on you so that you could give a false name and attempt to engineer and escape route without prosecution. Additionally, with ID the cops could have and likely would have written her a ticket rather than taking her into custody. Note that whatever she said caused at least one person there to be willing to cover the tab for her. As you may have guessed, I tend to believe that Mitrice and a strong intelligent young woman attempted to solve her problem on her own by walking back to her car. While doing so, she took a wrong turn onto the wrong road, perhaps seeing lights from structures. Then walking along the shoulder she entered the hiking trail head, perhaps believing it would lead to the beach, but it actually was taking her away from her destination and to her inevitable doom. From there I tend to think that something in the elements got her, but due to the LASD’s shabby job and rush to judgment it would appear we will never know. It is said for her family. Tim

    In addition to being an extremely tragic, this is a very interesting case in a number of ways. There is a number of things I have thought to share about it, but I am going to try to limit it to most interesting aspects that lend a local perspective to those who may be looking at this case from a far.

    First it should be noted that there is 13 miles between Geoffrey’s and the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department Lost Hills stations. They are on opposite sides of the Santa Monica Mountain range and it takes a full 30 minutes to drive between the two locations.
    The road that connects the two is a rural canyon road and has few street lights and no sidewalks. In parts it likely does not even have shoulders. A very tough walk.

    On a side note, I think the media and race politics started the idea that Mitrice was found in Dark Canyon or off of the none existent Dark Canyon Road. It is North of the actual road she was found near and is populated with homes unlike the unnamed area south of Piuma Road.

    While the Captain and some of the in the comments seemed to take exception with one of the family attorney’s making note of how the LASD would have treated a Lohan or Spears, this is actually a very revenant and salient point. This town is one of the richest in the Country and perhaps the world. But instead of having their own police force, they choose to pay the county Sheriff’s Department to patrol their community. One would think that like most cities the community would want their own police chief hired by the mayor or city council and beholden to them. Due to the property values there is clearly no shortage of funds. With their own police force they would have a stable group of officers rather than a constant rotation of Deputies required to work stints in the county jail.

    While I suppose the case could be made by someone other than Mel Gibson, who probably wouldn’t have minded recognizing the cop pulling him over for DUI a few years back, but the reality is that Sheriff Baca, who recently plead guilty in a corruption case, controlled something that a local Police Chief would not. The primary responsibility of the LA Sheriff is to operate the county jails.

    The same jail that Baca released Lindsey Lohan after serving only 84 minutes of her sentence due to overcrowding. Paris Hilton had to spend a day and a half in jail, before Baca commuted her 40-day sentence to house arrest. When Britney Spears was surrendered to the jail on criminal charges she was there for 45 minutes and was never put inside a holding cell.

    I think the attorney’s comments were spot on. Race and class politics in Los Angeles are woven all through this case. Things like the Captain not letting the family see the video is a direct result of that. In the past cop videos on the nightly news has not work out real well for LA law enforcement. And being that the family was awarded $900, 000 in a civil action, it is difficult to fault LASD for being slow to provide evidence that could be the basis for such litigation and is often subject to interpretation.

    Personally, I think the family settled to for too little even though I don’t fault the cops for releasing an adult they believe to be in their right mind. In 2006, an LA Fireman was awarded 2.5 Million for eating dog food in a fire house prank. Yet Mitrice’s life was only worth $900k. Really!

    All this having been said, I think there is reason to be skeptical that Mitrice was suffering from a mental break though she may have been depressed. For one thing, straight up Go-go dancers don’t need business cards. Secondly, some of her behavior could be describe as acting like a Diva. A little a loaf, talking like you’re on a different wave length, touching and playing with things you’re not supposed to. Perhaps she was in a mode to draw outside the lines a bit.
    I tend to think that her car was not searched until after she was reported missing. The cops would want and need her identification to process her. They would not search the car and not retrieve it. However, if your intent was to “dine and dash” you wouldn’t want ID on you so that you could give a false name and attempt to engineer and escape route without prosecution. Additionally, with ID the cops could have and likely would have written her a ticket rather than taking her into custody. Note that whatever she said caused at least one person there to be willing to cover the tab for her.

    As you may have guessed, I tend to believe that Mitrice and a strong intelligent young woman attempted to solve her problem on her own by walking back to her car. While doing so, she took a wrong turn onto the wrong road, perhaps seeing lights from structures. Then walking along the shoulder she entered the hiking trail head, perhaps believing it would lead to the beach, but it actually was taking her away from her destination and to her inevitable doom.
    From there I tend to think that something in the elements got her, but due to the LASD’s shabby job and rush to judgment it would appear we will never know. It is said for her family.

    Tim

  • badkarma

    badkarma

    Hello Nic and The Captain, I am obsessed with your show, but must confess that I am disappointed by your lack of knowledge about mental illness. Of course you can't know everything about all of important topics that impact true crime cases, but mental illness is a commonly recurring theme on your show, and you frequently make claims about it that are misleading, problematic, or just wrong. For example, in your discussion of the Mitrice Richardson case you suggested that the Sheriffs department could have held her until the next day (Thursday) " when doctors would be on duty." Doctors are always on duty at the ER! If they suspected that she was mentally ill (and it seemed pretty clear that they did question this) it was their responsibility to transport her to the hospital for an evaluation, there would be no reason to wait until the next day (especially because putting an agitated, manic, or perhaps even psychotic person into a cell only serves to exacerbate their psychiatric symptoms). I have no idea why the criminal investigation began last year has not found the department medically negligent -- they knew that there were questions about her mental health before they even picked her up from the restaurant, and her mother suggested that she might be having some sort of mental health crisis when she called them to ask that they either keep Mitrice overnight or contact a member of a Mitrice's family to pick her up before releasing her. Many of the things that you mentioned only in passing are compelling evidence not just of a manic episode, but of a psychotic episode (persons with bipolar disorder can have psychotic episodes, one need not be schizophrenic to have a psychotic break): lack of sleep for several days, believing that the TV was sending her special messages, hypergraphia (an intense desire to write), disorganized thought and speech, etc. I'd love to hear you do a show specifically related to mental illness and criminal cases -- there is an unbelievable amount of ignorance about the relationship between mental illness and the law. Let me know if you are interested in such a thing... I know some experts who could help...

    Hello Nic and The Captain,
    I am obsessed with your show, but must confess that I am disappointed by your lack of knowledge about mental illness. Of course you can't know everything about all of important topics that impact true crime cases, but mental illness is a commonly recurring theme on your show, and you frequently make claims about it that are misleading, problematic, or just wrong. For example, in your discussion of the Mitrice Richardson case you suggested that the Sheriffs department could have held her until the next day (Thursday) " when doctors would be on duty." Doctors are always on duty at the ER! If they suspected that she was mentally ill (and it seemed pretty clear that they did question this) it was their responsibility to transport her to the hospital for an evaluation, there would be no reason to wait until the next day (especially because putting an agitated, manic, or perhaps even psychotic person into a cell only serves to exacerbate their psychiatric symptoms). I have no idea why the criminal investigation began last year has not found the department medically negligent -- they knew that there were questions about her mental health before they even picked her up from the restaurant, and her mother suggested that she might be having some sort of mental health crisis when she called them to ask that they either keep Mitrice overnight or contact a member of a Mitrice's family to pick her up before releasing her. Many of the things that you mentioned only in passing are compelling evidence not just of a manic episode, but of a psychotic episode (persons with bipolar disorder can have psychotic episodes, one need not be schizophrenic to have a psychotic break): lack of sleep for several days, believing that the TV was sending her special messages, hypergraphia (an intense desire to write), disorganized thought and speech, etc. I'd love to hear you do a show specifically related to mental illness and criminal cases -- there is an unbelievable amount of ignorance about the relationship between mental illness and the law. Let me know if you are interested in such a thing... I know some experts who could help...

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Regarding the video footage from the Sheriff's department. I didn't actually view it myself, I reported on what the family had said after viewing it. I'm not positive but I don't think the full tapes/tapes have been released to the public. The Captain had mentioned that they showed some clips on the disappeared tv show featuring Mitrice's case. Nic

    Regarding the video footage from the Sheriff's department. I didn't actually view it myself, I reported on what the family had said after viewing it. I'm not positive but I don't think the full tapes/tapes have been released to the public. The Captain had mentioned that they showed some clips on the disappeared tv show featuring Mitrice's case.
    Nic

  • Chris

    Chris Boston

    The Captain ALMOST makes this pod unlistenable. It takes him 5 minutes to say something that takes a normal person 30 seconds. Just not a good radio voice.

    The Captain ALMOST makes this pod unlistenable. It takes him 5 minutes to say something that takes a normal person 30 seconds. Just not a good radio voice.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    badkarma Thanks for your thoughts but LE doesn't have to take someone to the ER. If that person is on a mental hold they normally have a doctor at the jail evaluate them. I will definitely dive more into mental illness. Captain

    badkarma

    Thanks for your thoughts but LE doesn't have to take someone to the ER. If that person is on a mental hold they normally have a doctor at the jail evaluate them. I will definitely dive more into mental illness.

    Captain

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Chris • Boston Thanks for listening anyways and I will and have been working on that. Big Boston fan. Cheers Captain

    Chris • Boston

    Thanks for listening anyways and I will and have been working on that. Big Boston fan. Cheers

    Captain

  • Bridgett

    Bridgett Texas

    I listen to your podcast via Google Play and episode 2 of this story is not listed. Is there another source where I can find it, other than iTunes? Thanks, love your show.

    I listen to your podcast via Google Play and episode 2 of this story is not listed. Is there another source where I can find it, other than iTunes? Thanks, love your show.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Bridgett, The free Podbean app is the best way to listen TCG. Thanks, Nic

    Bridgett,
    The free Podbean app is the best way to listen TCG.
    Thanks,
    Nic

  • Emily

    Emily Philadelphia

    Mitrice's body was found on a marijuana grow site. I believe that the mural was not a coincidence. My gut tells me that the police raped and murdered her and strategically left her knowing that if someone reported the body they were also reporting the marijuana crop. My theory is that someone witnessed the police raping her and painted a mural to passively say that they know what happened. I believe that this person or persons had incentive to keep the marijuana crop a secret. That much pot could be worth millions. Just a guess. Nic and Captian, by telling Mitrice'a story you are her advocate. By referring to someone's mental illness as being "crazy" justifies the marginalization that so often leads to overreach and abuse of power. Mitrice was systematically marginalized and taken advantage of many times that night.

    Mitrice's body was found on a marijuana grow site. I believe that the mural was not a coincidence. My gut tells me that the police raped and murdered her and strategically left her knowing that if someone reported the body they were also reporting the marijuana crop.

    My theory is that someone witnessed the police raping her and painted a mural to passively say that they know what happened. I believe that this person or persons had incentive to keep the marijuana crop a secret. That much pot could be worth millions. Just a guess.

    Nic and Captian, by telling Mitrice'a story you are her advocate. By referring to someone's mental illness as being "crazy" justifies the marginalization that so often leads to overreach and abuse of power. Mitrice was systematically marginalized and taken advantage of many times that night.

  • HeatherAnn

    HeatherAnn ohio

    [quote=Levieta Haulk] Perhaps, someone who works on the force gave her a ride and she mysteriously disappeared on the drive to her home. I believe there is a cover up in the department. [/quote] I cant help to think about the location of her body, a location known by police and growers. What leads me to believe that it is a cover up by the department is the way they described how they found her arm. It was described as being in the "chicken wing" position. Isn't that the SAME technique law enforcement uses to contain their suspect? I just have this gut feeling she was held in that position and strangled. I think the deputy that left after her at the time of her release needs to be looked at a little closer. Could be that he tried to assault her and she escaped. if she ran it would account how she got so far. Then after the man placed the 911 call about her being near his home and asked for a patrol of the area that she was picked up again and taken to this area.

    Levieta Haulk wrote:

    Perhaps, someone who works on the force gave her a ride and she mysteriously disappeared on the drive to her home. I believe there is a cover up in the department.

    I cant help to think about the location of her body, a location known by police and growers. What leads me to believe that it is a cover up by the department is the way they described how they found her arm. It was described as being in the "chicken wing" position. Isn't that the SAME technique law enforcement uses to contain their suspect? I just have this gut feeling she was held in that position and strangled. I think the deputy that left after her at the time of her release needs to be looked at a little closer. Could be that he tried to assault her and she escaped. if she ran it would account how she got so far. Then after the man placed the 911 call about her being near his home and asked for a patrol of the area that she was picked up again and taken to this area.

  • R

    R Parts Unknown

    This is really sad. My heart breaks for the mother and (great?)grandmother- who did everything right and tried to communicate with the cops to ensure Mitrice's safety. While I'm against holding some one for no reason, I think the police should have taken extra steps to ensure Mitrice was in a state where she could have returned home or gotten back to her family safely. I don't believe the sheriff / police harmed her directly, but they could have done more to help ESPECIALLY with the warning from the mother that Mitrice's actions were out of character. I believe that Mitrice was experiencing psychosis - possibly drug induced (working in a Go-go club would be enough to expose her to all types of drugs: PCP, Research Chems, Meth, Psychedlics, Deliriants, Dissociatives). It really is up in the air whether she was picked up and murdered or just wandered / hitchhiked in this state until she succumbed to the elements.

    This is really sad. My heart breaks for the mother and (great?)grandmother- who did everything right and tried to communicate with the cops to ensure Mitrice's safety. While I'm against holding some one for no reason, I think the police should have taken extra steps to ensure Mitrice was in a state where she could have returned home or gotten back to her family safely. I don't believe the sheriff / police harmed her directly, but they could have done more to help ESPECIALLY with the warning from the mother that Mitrice's actions were out of character. I believe that Mitrice was experiencing psychosis - possibly drug induced (working in a Go-go club would be enough to expose her to all types of drugs: PCP, Research Chems, Meth, Psychedlics, Deliriants, Dissociatives). It really is up in the air whether she was picked up and murdered or just wandered / hitchhiked in this state until she succumbed to the elements.

  • Cindy M

    Cindy M Texas

    I don't think there ever was a 'Vanessa' and Mitrice knew she didn't have any money to pay for a meal when she went into the restaurant....for some reason we will never be in on, she used the 'Vanessa' thing as a ruse to cover her actions of going through the valet's car and for (maybe) meeting up with someone (the non-existent Vanessa) and sitting with the other diners ...she was impaired in some way, either high from something or having an episode of some kind. She never intended to pay for that dinner and had no means to. As for calling Mildred to help her, I'm not sure what kind of help the grandmother was going to be able to supply if the restaurant wouldn't accept a credit card...they and Mitrice must have expected the grandmother to drive to the restaurant right then. Perhaps she was coming down from her high or her episode passed if she truly displayed more normal behavior to the authorities. Even so, why in the world would anyone anywhere at any time think it would be ok to release someone without a car or phone or money after dark? That is just ridiculous. And ...it turns out....deadly.

    I don't think there ever was a 'Vanessa' and Mitrice knew she didn't have any money to pay for a meal when she went into the restaurant....for some reason we will never be in on, she used the 'Vanessa' thing as a ruse to cover her actions of going through the valet's car and for (maybe) meeting up with someone (the non-existent Vanessa) and sitting with the other diners ...she was impaired in some way, either high from something or having an episode of some kind. She never intended to pay for that dinner and had no means to. As for calling Mildred to help her, I'm not sure what kind of help the grandmother was going to be able to supply if the restaurant wouldn't accept a credit card...they and Mitrice must have expected the grandmother to drive to the restaurant right then. Perhaps she was coming down from her high or her episode passed if she truly displayed more normal behavior to the authorities. Even so, why in the world would anyone anywhere at any time think it would be ok to release someone without a car or phone or money after dark? That is just ridiculous. And ...it turns out....deadly.

  • MarkO

    MarkO Somewhere

    What I found showed either laziness or incompitence by the police department is the fact that this girl's mother JUST CALLED them prior to her not knowing anybody's phone number except her great grandmother's. Wouldn't it be logical to say, 'Your mother just called, here's her number. She said she would pick you up if you were released tonight'. Surely, they took down the mother's info when she called right? It's somebody calling the police department after all. At the very least there would be some kind of caller ID. Why in the world wouldn't somebody connect those 2 simple dots other than extreme don't give a shit syndrome. Instead, you just release her... not give the mother a simple courtesy call back to tell her this at the very least? What?

    What I found showed either laziness or incompitence by the police department is the fact that this girl's mother JUST CALLED them prior to her not knowing anybody's phone number except her great grandmother's. Wouldn't it be logical to say, 'Your mother just called, here's her number. She said she would pick you up if you were released tonight'. Surely, they took down the mother's info when she called right? It's somebody calling the police department after all. At the very least there would be some kind of caller ID. Why in the world wouldn't somebody connect those 2 simple dots other than extreme don't give a shit syndrome. Instead, you just release her... not give the mother a simple courtesy call back to tell her this at the very least? What?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    It is truly upsetting how this arrest and release was handled. TCG

    It is truly upsetting how this arrest and release was handled.
    TCG

  • emma

    emma

    Something smells rotten here and I do NOT mean with the sheriff's dept,! There were obviously issues this woman had she broke several laws and yet when the sheriff's dept did their job they are blamed? I will never understand why this lady's mother did not go pick her up? She says her daughter was a very strong woman raised to do anything she chose to do, and yet here she is walking out of the door in the middle of the night in a place she was unfamiliar with, if she was such a strong lady that made such great choices why is it she walked from complete safety into danger? I think the family knew damn well this girl has some mental issues and instead of doing the right thing and making the right choice they let her walk out and then pointed the finger at the police, there is ownership that needs to be taken here and it is NOT the sheriff's deot they did their job! and they did it right!

    Something smells rotten here and I do NOT mean with the sheriff's dept,! There were obviously issues this woman had she broke several laws and yet when the sheriff's dept did their job they are blamed? I will never understand why this lady's mother did not go pick her up? She says her daughter was a very strong woman raised to do anything she chose to do, and yet here she is walking out of the door in the middle of the night in a place she was unfamiliar with, if she was such a strong lady that made such great choices why is it she walked from complete safety into danger? I think the family knew damn well this girl has some mental issues and instead of doing the right thing and making the right choice they let her walk out and then pointed the finger at the police, there is ownership that needs to be taken here and it is NOT the sheriff's deot they did their job! and they did it right!

  • Brea

    Brea Madison, Wi

    Her behavior sounds very similar to that of a family member of a friend who at age 20, started showing signs of schizophrenia. But we will never know what was wrong with Mitrice that day but we do know that she wasn't in her normal mental state of mind and was making unusual and poor decisions. The sheriff's dept. mishandled things in two very obvious and inarguable ways; they lied about the fact that there was a tape and they mishandled her remains. I do believe that they lied about the tape to cover up the fact that the women's family had tried to help her out and had been in contact with them, they let her go and then she went missing. I will say that having lived in LA, there is an overwhelming amount of people on the streets (not necessarily homeless) with mental illness. I don't think I would go through a single day without encountering an individual who appears to be mentally ill. It would not be out of the ordinary for cops to pick her up and then release her, they do this constantly. Being mentally ill is not a crime and does not mean you are going to harm yourself or others. I'm not saying this is right, but this is what are system is right now. However, when they found out that she was missing and she had a family that was very involved in her life, they probably panicked. I think they are incompetent and that's what explains the poor handling of her remains and the area in which they found her. As for how she got there, I think she was there willingly. Keep in mind too that are also mountain lions in the area; I'm not sure how they react to injured or freshly deceased remains but I do know that they will take carcasses and hide them for later. So it wouldn't be a stretch to think that she could have died in one area and "naturally" end up somewhere else. Maybe she was holding some of her clothes when she died (as a pillow?) and that's why they found some nearby and in the position they found her arm in. We also don't know how long she was out there before dying. For all we know she could have been walking around for days or weeks picking up scraps of food here and there and could have easily made it to where her body was found. I agree that the body in that kind of state could push itself to insane limits. I feel bad for the family, they did everything right and were there to support her, it just wasn't enough to prevent her death. Also, the manager that had her arrested is a DICK. Really, multiple people offer to pay her bill and you're still going to call the cops?! I don't believe for a second that he called them because he thought she was too intoxicated to drive, that's total BS.

    Her behavior sounds very similar to that of a family member of a friend who at age 20, started showing signs of schizophrenia. But we will never know what was wrong with Mitrice that day but we do know that she wasn't in her normal mental state of mind and was making unusual and poor decisions.

    The sheriff's dept. mishandled things in two very obvious and inarguable ways; they lied about the fact that there was a tape and they mishandled her remains. I do believe that they lied about the tape to cover up the fact that the women's family had tried to help her out and had been in contact with them, they let her go and then she went missing. I will say that having lived in LA, there is an overwhelming amount of people on the streets (not necessarily homeless) with mental illness. I don't think I would go through a single day without encountering an individual who appears to be mentally ill. It would not be out of the ordinary for cops to pick her up and then release her, they do this constantly. Being mentally ill is not a crime and does not mean you are going to harm yourself or others. I'm not saying this is right, but this is what are system is right now. However, when they found out that she was missing and she had a family that was very involved in her life, they probably panicked. I think they are incompetent and that's what explains the poor handling of her remains and the area in which they found her. As for how she got there, I think she was there willingly. Keep in mind too that are also mountain lions in the area; I'm not sure how they react to injured or freshly deceased remains but I do know that they will take carcasses and hide them for later. So it wouldn't be a stretch to think that she could have died in one area and "naturally" end up somewhere else. Maybe she was holding some of her clothes when she died (as a pillow?) and that's why they found some nearby and in the position they found her arm in. We also don't know how long she was out there before dying. For all we know she could have been walking around for days or weeks picking up scraps of food here and there and could have easily made it to where her body was found. I agree that the body in that kind of state could push itself to insane limits.

    I feel bad for the family, they did everything right and were there to support her, it just wasn't enough to prevent her death. Also, the manager that had her arrested is a DICK. Really, multiple people offer to pay her bill and you're still going to call the cops?! I don't believe for a second that he called them because he thought she was too intoxicated to drive, that's total BS.

  • Donna

    Donna .

    As someone with a mental illness, I found this unlistenable. If you're not knowledgeable about mental illnesses, don't throw around diagnoses - the Captain repeatedly describing Mitrice's behaviour as 'bipolar' was so inappropriate and incorrect. Nothing about her behaviour suggests bipolar disorder. I gave up listening part way through this episode, when the Captain kept on calling Mitrice 'crazy'. We don't do that anymore. That word has been, and continues to be, used to abuse and denigrate mentally ill people. It's hurtful. Both Nic and the Captain likely have people with mental illnesses in their lives - would you call them crazy to their face? I hope not. So don't say it to your tens of thousands of listeners, many of whom are likely mentally ill in one or more ways, and the rest of whom need to know it's not okay to talk like this. Please stop spreading ignorance and stigma.

    As someone with a mental illness, I found this unlistenable. If you're not knowledgeable about mental illnesses, don't throw around diagnoses - the Captain repeatedly describing Mitrice's behaviour as 'bipolar' was so inappropriate and incorrect. Nothing about her behaviour suggests bipolar disorder.

    I gave up listening part way through this episode, when the Captain kept on calling Mitrice 'crazy'. We don't do that anymore. That word has been, and continues to be, used to abuse and denigrate mentally ill people. It's hurtful. Both Nic and the Captain likely have people with mental illnesses in their lives - would you call them crazy to their face? I hope not. So don't say it to your tens of thousands of listeners, many of whom are likely mentally ill in one or more ways, and the rest of whom need to know it's not okay to talk like this. Please stop spreading ignorance and stigma.

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    True Crime Garage

    Donna You might want to do your research before you spread ignorance. First the Police believed she was struggling with Bipolar and so did her family...her own mother. Yes we don't use the word crazy anymore but for someone like myself that has struggled with mental illness....in those moments I am acting crazy. I am glad you listened to the show but obviously you don't know much about this case or the host of the show. Captain

    Donna
    You might want to do your research before you spread ignorance. First the Police believed she was struggling with Bipolar and so did her family...her own mother. Yes we don't use the word crazy anymore but for someone like myself that has struggled with mental illness....in those moments I am acting crazy. I am glad you listened to the show but obviously you don't know much about this case or the host of the show.

    Captain

  • Mark

    Mark Austin

    Another great episode, your show is tremendous. This was a strange one. In the end, it comes down to this. The sheriff's department was indifferent and released her in a bewildered state with no wallet or phone, which is indefensible. Or, the sheriff's department believed that she had called friends or family on the phone and there was going to be somebody picking her up. I can't fault them too much if that was the case, she was 24. I think she most likely wandered off in a manic state, ending up lost and confused in a real wilderness. She very well could have encountered a mountain lion or predatory animal. I don't think the graffiti enters into this, nor so I suspect foul play from the sheriff's department. In the end, I think the deputies could have and should have helped her get back to her car, they knew that is where her phone and wallet were, they did not show much support or help and should feel some shame.

    Another great episode, your show is tremendous. This was a strange one. In the end, it comes down to this. The sheriff's department was indifferent and released her in a bewildered state with no wallet or phone, which is indefensible. Or, the sheriff's department believed that she had called friends or family on the phone and there was going to be somebody picking her up. I can't fault them too much if that was the case, she was 24. I think she most likely wandered off in a manic state, ending up lost and confused in a real wilderness. She very well could have encountered a mountain lion or predatory animal. I don't think the graffiti enters into this, nor so I suspect foul play from the sheriff's department. In the end, I think the deputies could have and should have helped her get back to her car, they knew that is where her phone and wallet were, they did not show much support or help and should feel some shame.

  • Pamela

    Pamela Columbus, Ohio

    I have followed this case before it aired on 'Disappeared' and followed the documentary that you can find on Amazon there are a lot of things that have been touched in regards to this 'department' I really think you two do a great job and make me proud to be a CBUS listener that I didn't actually figure out until you started talking about universities. It was noted further down the line that she was saying some sporadic unusual things on her Myspace/Social sites. This isn't the first case in this area where this has happened also because of the previous profession of mine in this area, it isn't normal to see WOC and they are treated very well by high-end clients celebrities etc. Not saying this was in her character but the shady individuals in that area I also find it interesting that they had such a hard time getting a hold of security footage Mitrices family fought very hard and the department was resistant/unwilling the justice system failed this young lady severely in this matter this could have been prevented.

    I have followed this case before it aired on 'Disappeared' and followed the documentary that you can find on Amazon there are a lot of things that have been touched in regards to this 'department' I really think you two do a great job and make me proud to be a CBUS listener that I didn't actually figure out until you started talking about universities. It was noted further down the line that she was saying some sporadic unusual things on her Myspace/Social sites. This isn't the first case in this area where this has happened also because of the previous profession of mine in this area, it isn't normal to see WOC and they are treated very well by high-end clients celebrities etc. Not saying this was in her character but the shady individuals in that area I also find it interesting that they had such a hard time getting a hold of security footage Mitrices family fought very hard and the department was resistant/unwilling the justice system failed this young lady severely in this matter this could have been prevented.

  • Gary

    Gary Pueblo, Co

    Failed to follow procedure Lied to family about release Lied about cameras, lied about video Advised mother to wait before filing missing persons report Changed leadership Cameras broken Phone broken Deputy leaves behind her, they refuse to say who he is Look guys, if this was any other group of people, construction workers, athletes, whomever, this many coincidences would result in an Intense and thorough investigation. This is extremely questionable.

    Failed to follow procedure
    Lied to family about release
    Lied about cameras, lied about video
    Advised mother to wait before filing missing persons report
    Changed leadership
    Cameras broken
    Phone broken
    Deputy leaves behind her, they refuse to say who he is

    Look guys, if this was any other group of people, construction workers, athletes, whomever, this many coincidences would result in an Intense and thorough investigation. This is extremely questionable.

  • Jen

    Jen Glenwood, MN

    "An error doesn't become a mistake until you refuse to correct it." --Orlando Aloysius Battista Sadly, this quote seems to sum up the sheriff's departments handling of this entire case. Regardless of Miss Richardson's mental state, she was done a great disservice by people whose sole job description is to serve and protect. I can't imagine how devastating it would be to have my daughter go missing, but it's absolutely horrifying to think that the agency responsible for assisting you in locating her is so completely inept, fumbling and outright unhelpful that it's unbelievable.

    "An error doesn't become a mistake until you refuse to correct it." --Orlando Aloysius Battista

    Sadly, this quote seems to sum up the sheriff's departments handling of this entire case. Regardless of Miss Richardson's mental state, she was done a great disservice by people whose sole job description is to serve and protect. I can't imagine how devastating it would be to have my daughter go missing, but it's absolutely horrifying to think that the agency responsible for assisting you in locating her is so completely inept, fumbling and outright unhelpful that it's unbelievable.

  • Brian

    Brian Santa Barbara

    I think its more than a little unfair to constantly criticize the cops for their actions in these cases (see also Emma Fillipoff). Let’s not forget that when they are making their decisions they don’t know she is about to end up missing and/or dead. We all have the benefit of looking at this through the rear view mirror. If they had jailed Mitrice without adequate justification they could have been sued for violating her civil rights. Some of their extreme cautiousness after she went missing might have been out of fear of that potential lawsuit, police departments are constantly getting sued for even the smallest perceived misjudgments. Once they realize they have a problem they are under political pressure to save their city from a $50,000,000 judgement over the sorts of judgement mistakes that can happen on any given night. When a parent loses a child they feel horrible. They look for a cause to make them feel better. That cause often takes the form of a lawsuit and an outsized monetary judgement to “prevent something like this from happening again”.

    I think its more than a little unfair to constantly criticize the cops for their actions in these cases (see also Emma Fillipoff). Let’s not forget that when they are making their decisions they don’t know she is about to end up missing and/or dead. We all have the benefit of looking at this through the rear view mirror. If they had jailed Mitrice without adequate justification they could have been sued for violating her civil rights. Some of their extreme cautiousness after she went missing might have been out of fear of that potential lawsuit, police departments are constantly getting sued for even the smallest perceived misjudgments. Once they realize they have a problem they are under political pressure to save their city from a $50,000,000 judgement over the sorts of judgement mistakes that can happen on any given night. When a parent loses a child they feel horrible. They look for a cause to make them feel better. That cause often takes the form of a lawsuit and an outsized monetary judgement to “prevent something like this from happening again”.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thank you Brian! Cheers Nic

    Thank you Brian!
    Cheers Nic

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