Monster of Florence /// 124 /// 125

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  • Megs

    Megs

    So I have one problem with the 1968 murder--the woman with multiple lovers. If you and your spouse have an open marriage agreement, and you don't have to hide it, why the heck are you still taking your young son out on your trysts???? That seems very, very, very strange to me. Not that it likely relates to anything, but as I was listening to the episode that was one point I kept tripping over. Why was the kid there in the first place?

    So I have one problem with the 1968 murder--the woman with multiple lovers. If you and your spouse have an open marriage agreement, and you don't have to hide it, why the heck are you still taking your young son out on your trysts???? That seems very, very, very strange to me. Not that it likely relates to anything, but as I was listening to the episode that was one point I kept tripping over. Why was the kid there in the first place?

  • JT

    JT 54217

    I ABSOLUTELY love & support your podcast in any way that I can: since day 1. I hv to say, though your "1 & only" fan page has become nothing that I love about your efforts. I had to block them for not ONLY LACK of upholding your standards but also for harrassing for saying so... I hope that you all do not support the direction that page is going...much RESPECT for your sympathetic take on each & every episode. #♡TCGALWAYS

    I ABSOLUTELY love & support your podcast in any way that I can: since day 1. I hv to say, though your "1 & only" fan page has become nothing that I love about your efforts. I had to block them for not ONLY LACK of upholding your standards but also for harrassing for saying so... I hope that you all do not support the direction that page is going...much RESPECT for your sympathetic take on each & every episode. #♡TCGALWAYS

  • Avanti

    Avanti Austin

    Please cover Stevie Bates. A lot of people are still worried about her and want to know what happened to her.

    Please cover Stevie Bates. A lot of people are still worried about her and want to know what happened to her.

  • jessica L

    jessica L st louis

    Has anyone traced where Dr George hodel was at the time these happened? the Black Dahlia suspect?

    Has anyone traced where Dr George hodel was at the time these happened? the Black Dahlia suspect?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Hi Meg, as the story goes the boy's father was at home sick. The boy had knowledge of his mothers lovers but h may have only knew them as family friends. Supposedly he would call them uncle. The boy woke up and then saw his dead mother. As a man he has refused to discuss this and claims to have no memory of anything other than seeing his dead mother. The 68 murders may be the most troubling to this case. Thanks, Nic

    Hi Meg, as the story goes the boy's father was at home sick. The boy had knowledge of his mothers lovers but h may have only knew them as family friends. Supposedly he would call them uncle. The boy woke up and then saw his dead mother. As a man he has refused to discuss this and claims to have no memory of anything other than seeing his dead mother.
    The 68 murders may be the most troubling to this case.
    Thanks,
    Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    JT I won't apologize for someone else. I truly don't know much about our "fan page" some guy runs it. So it's in every sense of the word a fan page. It's operated by a fan and fans view and contribute to the page. I like this forum here and chatting with you all - about the cases. If they didn't make you feel welcome at the fan page, well that sucks and that is on them, not you & not me. You are most certainly welcome to join me here anytime. Cheers! Nic

    JT I won't apologize for someone else. I truly don't know much about our "fan page" some guy runs it. So it's in every sense of the word a fan page. It's operated by a fan and fans view and contribute to the page. I like this forum here and chatting with you all - about the cases. If they didn't make you feel welcome at the fan page, well that sucks and that is on them, not you & not me. You are most certainly welcome to join me here anytime.
    Cheers!
    Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Jess - that is an interesting thought. I'm sure his son would tell you he was in the hills of Florence. I'm thinking what, 68-83? Sorry fully researched 2 other cases since. May be too long of a time period unless he was returning from time to time. He would have had to have a safe secure place to hide the gun. I find this unlikely. Plus from according to Steve Hodel, George was committing the zodiac murders from 68-70. Cheers, Nic

    Jess - that is an interesting thought. I'm sure his son would tell you he was in the hills of Florence. I'm thinking what, 68-83? Sorry fully researched 2 other cases since. May be too long of a time period unless he was returning from time to time. He would have had to have a safe secure place to hide the gun. I find this unlikely. Plus from according to Steve Hodel, George was committing the zodiac murders from 68-70.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Lauren K.

    Lauren K.

    Dear Nic l and The Captain, So, by no means am I an avid armchair detective, HOWEVER I have been gorging myself with every single one of y'all's podcasts for the past three months. I jump around, but I am currently on the monster of Florence. I have a theory, and I'm curious if anyone else has this same feeling: The main "suspect" (I put in quotations because he was never named as a suspect) that stands out to me is actually Natalino Mele. Yeah, the son of Barbara Locci from the first killing in 1968. I googled his name, but could not find any specific details about his life. What really stood out to me was his reaction to his mother's death. He found a nearby home, and when the occupants answered he casually said he was tired and mentioned that his mother and uncle were dead in a car? At 6 years old, he should understand just how serious and upsetting that would be... However, according to the report, it did not phase him. His father was convicted of this murder, and allegedly threw the gun during his escape from the scene. I believe it is possible that Natalino Mele could have seen where he threw the gun, and collected it for himself. I understand that this would make him 12 years old at the time of the next murder. How large would he have been as a twelve years old? Some twelve year olds look much older. Was he showing any signs of psychopathic or sociopathic tendencies? He has motive for the rituals performed during the murders as well. He could have resentment towards his father for killing his mother, or potentially not being man enough to be sufficient for his mother. He could loathe his mother for sleeping with another man that she called his uncle while he was in the back seat of the car. This could easily cause him to be disgusted with women and their sexual organs. It could be him taking away a woman's ability to be intimate or to cheat on their significant other. I am curious if you two, or anyone else, has thought of this connection and may know more about Natalino Mele. Was he incarcerated for unrelated crimes, or living in other areas during the dormancies? Was he living after 1985? Thank you for your time, I know it's a long message! I really enjoy y'all's podcast and cannot wait for the future true crimes you guys will cover. P.S. Captain, I totally caught your penis joke in part 2 of the monster of Florence.

    Dear Nic l and The Captain,

    So, by no means am I an avid armchair detective, HOWEVER I have been gorging myself with every single one of y'all's podcasts for the past three months. I jump around, but I am currently on the monster of Florence. I have a theory, and I'm curious if anyone else has this same feeling:
    The main "suspect" (I put in quotations because he was never named as a suspect) that stands out to me is actually Natalino Mele. Yeah, the son of Barbara Locci from the first killing in 1968. I googled his name, but could not find any specific details about his life.
    What really stood out to me was his reaction to his mother's death. He found a nearby home, and when the occupants answered he casually said he was tired and mentioned that his mother and uncle were dead in a car? At 6 years old, he should understand just how serious and upsetting that would be...
    However, according to the report, it did not phase him. His father was convicted of this murder, and allegedly threw the gun during his escape from the scene. I believe it is possible that Natalino Mele could have seen where he threw the gun, and collected it for himself.
    I understand that this would make him 12 years old at the time of the next murder.
    How large would he have been as a twelve years old? Some twelve year olds look much older. Was he showing any signs of psychopathic or sociopathic tendencies?
    He has motive for the rituals performed during the murders as well. He could have resentment towards his father for killing his mother, or potentially not being man enough to be sufficient for his mother. He could loathe his mother for sleeping with another man that she called his uncle while he was in the back seat of the car. This could easily cause him to be disgusted with women and their sexual organs.
    It could be him taking away a woman's ability to be intimate or to cheat on their significant other.

    I am curious if you two, or anyone else, has thought of this connection and may know more about Natalino Mele. Was he incarcerated for unrelated crimes, or living in other areas during the dormancies? Was he living after 1985?

    Thank you for your time, I know it's a long message! I really enjoy y'all's podcast and cannot wait for the future true crimes you guys will cover.

    P.S. Captain, I totally caught your penis joke in part 2 of the monster of Florence.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Lauren, There are a few good books out there regarding this case each with the own theories. I recommend that you pick up - The Monster of Florence, a true story Douglas Preston and Mario Spezi. It's been a while since I have read it but if I remember correctly this book shares your theory and describes exactly how this went down. Must of it involves the unreported theft of the original murder weapon. Good theory, get the book and dive into it more. Cheers, Nic

    Lauren,
    There are a few good books out there regarding this case each with the own theories. I recommend that you pick up - The Monster of Florence, a true story Douglas Preston and Mario Spezi. It's been a while since I have read it but if I remember correctly this book shares your theory and describes exactly how this went down. Must of it involves the unreported theft of the original murder weapon. Good theory, get the book and dive into it more.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Sarah

    Sarah North Carolina

    What if it was a cop?! It would explain how so much evidence went missing or wasn’t stored appropriately. They would also have access to send in letters to the right people and plant bullets in people yards.

    What if it was a cop?! It would explain how so much evidence went missing or wasn’t stored appropriately. They would also have access to send in letters to the right people and plant bullets in people yards.

  • Mad Hatter

    Mad Hatter Jacksonville FL

    I know there was gaps in the Zodiac killings could they correspond with the Florence monster killings. Similar MO couples an the letters plus what better way to not caught is to kill in 2 different countries an continents. Also just enough of a difference to fool the FBI. Just thought could be nothing or the solution An to paraphase Sherlock holmes this quite a 6 beer problem.

    I know there was gaps in the Zodiac killings could they correspond with the Florence monster killings. Similar MO couples an the letters plus what better way to not caught is to kill in 2 different countries an continents.
    Also just enough of a difference to fool the FBI.

    Just thought could be nothing or the solution
    An to paraphase Sherlock holmes this quite a 6 beer problem.

  • matt

    matt Amsterdam

    It is of today the release by italian magazine Tempi stating how Zodiac moved to Florence and carried on his MO while working and living in the USA military bases in tuscany. The article is long and very detailed. I include the link, in italian however https://www.tempi.it/il-mostro-di-firenze-e-zodiac#.Ww15SCMrK_E

    It is of today the release by italian magazine Tempi stating how Zodiac moved to Florence and carried on his MO while working and living
    in the USA military bases in tuscany. The article is long and very detailed. I include the link, in italian however https://www.tempi.it/il-mostro-di-firenze-e-zodiac#.Ww15SCMrK_E

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