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  • Liz

    Liz Atlanta

    Why didn't you guys touch on this during the podcast? This piece of the puzzle seems to shed some light on his overall character and potential mental illness. http://www.espn.com/espn/wire/_/id/1642025

    Why didn't you guys touch on this during the podcast? This piece of the puzzle seems to shed some light on his overall character and potential mental illness. http://www.espn.com/espn/wire/_/id/1642025

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    I read that she said he was "hearing voices" but this is the first time that I'm seeing this article and its a good one! Thank you Liz for posting! Cheers Nic

    I read that she said he was "hearing voices" but this is the first time that I'm seeing this article and its a good one!
    Thank you Liz for posting!
    Cheers Nic

  • Jay

    Jay Orlando, Fl

    Just a few observations/thoughts, I don't believe Carlton Dotson was "crazy", aside from himself; none of his friends, teamates, teachers, coaches, family members, or not even his ex wife back up his claims. I believe that Harvey Thomas very well could've played a role in this tradegy as well. At least one article from the Daily Beast mentions that several of Dennehy's friends have come forward to say that Thomas was the one making threats. We know the car was found in VA and then we see Dotson is in Maryland which is close by however Thomas also was from Virginia and lived in Maryland as well as spent time in Daytona, Fl.... Dotson hired a lawyer from FL? I also believe there was likely some kind of cash stipends given out, at least to Dennehy aside from what we know. Guns aren't all that cheap and it's not usual for a college athlete to have $300 laying around to be stolen. This could be why the "coach" really freaked out. If the murder occured because of the theft of $300 which could've came from the coach himself and then the car that the coach helped Dennehy to get was also involved... I also wonder where the money came from for the guns. I'm not saying the coach said,"here's money, go buy guns" but just knowing that without the money (if indeed there was money from the coach) there may have never been enough money to buy guns, I believe this would be more of a motive to cover up than just the fear of possibly losing your job for improper benefits. Another thing that struck me is because there were 2 shots to the head could it have been a situation where each person agreed to fire a shot so both were equally guilty? I also wonder if Dotson was afraid of losing his position on the team and after splitting up with his wife he may have been extremely scared and/or angry that he was at the very least about to lose most of his playing time possibly making him expendable and ultimately homeless. He only played one full season at Baylor and that was the same year the victim, Patrick Dennehy was forced to sit out after a transfer. Now we're heading into a new season and not only is Dennehy playing the same position as Dotson but he also is likely see to be recieving special treatment from the coaches thay Dotson was not recieving and now there's a new kid in Harvey Thomas, who also plays the same position and is viewed as "the missing piece", and better than Dotson. Also, I know that all of these guys are really big guys but I have a hard time believing that Dotson alone was able to move the 6'10 inch 220lb athletic body on his own, not impossible but extremely difficult. It just seems that there are SO many unanswered questions and possibly there wasn't as detailed of an investigation as usual because of the pretty quick confession. I also wonder why the coach was so certain that Harvey Thomas would back him up when it comes to his story about Dennehy selling drugs. Did the "coach" tell him that if this money was ever traced back to the coach then Harvey himself would also be screwed, assuming he too was recieving illegal benefits (speculation)? Maybe Dotson knew he would be caught and thought he'd be better off turning himself in and taking full blame while attempting to convince everyone he was suddenly crazy instead of risking maybe Thomas being arrested and then left to tell the story his own way which very well may have made Dotson look even worse. This case really bothers me, I just feel like there's so much we don't know and likely never will. Sorry for the babbling lol, great show. Cheers fellas

    Just a few observations/thoughts, I don't believe Carlton Dotson was "crazy", aside from himself; none of his friends, teamates, teachers, coaches, family members, or not even his ex wife back up his claims. I believe that Harvey Thomas very well could've played a role in this tradegy as well. At least one article from the Daily Beast mentions that several of Dennehy's friends have come forward to say that Thomas was the one making threats. We know the car was found in VA and then we see Dotson is in Maryland which is close by however Thomas also was from Virginia and lived in Maryland as well as spent time in Daytona, Fl.... Dotson hired a lawyer from FL? I also believe there was likely some kind of cash stipends given out, at least to Dennehy aside from what we know. Guns aren't all that cheap and it's not usual for a college athlete to have $300 laying around to be stolen. This could be why the "coach" really freaked out. If the murder occured because of the theft of $300 which could've came from the coach himself and then the car that the coach helped Dennehy to get was also involved... I also wonder where the money came from for the guns. I'm not saying the coach said,"here's money, go buy guns" but just knowing that without the money (if indeed there was money from the coach) there may have never been enough money to buy guns, I believe this would be more of a motive to cover up than just the fear of possibly losing your job for improper benefits. Another thing that struck me is because there were 2 shots to the head could it have been a situation where each person agreed to fire a shot so both were equally guilty? I also wonder if Dotson was afraid of losing his position on the team and after splitting up with his wife he may have been extremely scared and/or angry that he was at the very least about to lose most of his playing time possibly making him expendable and ultimately homeless. He only played one full season at Baylor and that was the same year the victim, Patrick Dennehy was forced to sit out after a transfer. Now we're heading into a new season and not only is Dennehy playing the same position as Dotson but he also is likely see to be recieving special treatment from the coaches thay Dotson was not recieving and now there's a new kid in Harvey Thomas, who also plays the same position and is viewed as "the missing piece", and better than Dotson. Also, I know that all of these guys are really big guys but I have a hard time believing that Dotson alone was able to move the 6'10 inch 220lb athletic body on his own, not impossible but extremely difficult. It just seems that there are SO many unanswered questions and possibly there wasn't as detailed of an investigation as usual because of the pretty quick confession. I also wonder why the coach was so certain that Harvey Thomas would back him up when it comes to his story about Dennehy selling drugs. Did the "coach" tell him that if this money was ever traced back to the coach then Harvey himself would also be screwed, assuming he too was recieving illegal benefits (speculation)? Maybe Dotson knew he would be caught and thought he'd be better off turning himself in and taking full blame while attempting to convince everyone he was suddenly crazy instead of risking maybe Thomas being arrested and then left to tell the story his own way which very well may have made Dotson look even worse. This case really bothers me, I just feel like there's so much we don't know and likely never will. Sorry for the babbling lol, great show. Cheers fellas

  • Jay

    Jay Orlando, Fl

    I apologize, I did just read an article from ESPN where Dotson's ex wife does mention his change in behavior and the fact that he mentioned hearing voices.

    I apologize, I did just read an article from ESPN where Dotson's ex wife does mention his change in behavior and the fact that he mentioned hearing voices.

  • Melisa

    Melisa Grayson, GA

    So I just read that in March of this year David Bliss who was the athletic director and basketball coach at a K-12 charter school American Prep Academy in Las Vegas, forfeited two middle school games for using ineligible players this season. This douche canoe has a serious problem what is doing around Middle School aged kids he is NO role model!

    So I just read that in March of this year David Bliss who was the athletic director and basketball coach at a K-12 charter school American Prep Academy in Las Vegas, forfeited two middle school games for using ineligible players this season. This douche canoe has a serious problem what is doing around Middle School aged kids he is NO role model!

  • Lisa

    Lisa SC

    #TurdFerguson 👏

    #TurdFerguson 👏

  • Sarah Lapre

    Sarah Lapre

    "so this is a new skill, in addition to his basketball skills." I know it isn't funny, but I had to pause the podcast and laugh at that. Dave Bliss coached at UNM when I was a student there, so this case was of particular interest to me. He was always a dickhead, (in my opinion) and I was glad to see his downfall- though not at the expense of someone's life. I would also like to say; a psychotic break or the onset of schizophrenia can be very sudden (unfortunately). It's definitely possible that it went unnoticed by other people in Dotson's life, or that they didn't know what they were seeing (or didn't want to see it).

    "so this is a new skill, in addition to his basketball skills."
    I know it isn't funny, but I had to pause the podcast and laugh at that.
    Dave Bliss coached at UNM when I was a student there, so this case was of particular interest to me. He was always a dickhead, (in my opinion) and I was glad to see his downfall- though not at the expense of someone's life. I would also like to say; a psychotic break or the onset of schizophrenia can be very sudden (unfortunately). It's definitely possible that it went unnoticed by other people in Dotson's life, or that they didn't know what they were seeing (or didn't want to see it).

  • Park

    Park Texas

    This is the start of a long line of “sweeping under the rug” by Baylor and the city of Waco. But wait... it gets worse....

    This is the start of a long line of “sweeping under the rug” by Baylor and the city of Waco.

    But wait... it gets worse....

  • I love when you guys tackle older cases. Some of your best, in my humble opinion, are the cases from the past! Listening to TCG started my obsession with true crime podcasts 🧡

    I love when you guys tackle older cases. Some of your best, in my humble opinion, are the cases from the past! Listening to TCG started my obsession with true crime podcasts 🧡

  • mG

    mG

    Patrick was a good guy, actually worked a basketball camp with him. However, Baylor athletics at that time, especially the basketball team was a nightmare. Dave Bliss was taking transfers and recruiting guys that other coaches would not touch with a ten foot pole, and for good reason. Dotson was a complete psycho and had no business being anywhere near a college campus. Of course, Baylor football would head down the same path after everybody forgot this scandal.

    Patrick was a good guy, actually worked a basketball camp with him. However, Baylor athletics at that time, especially the basketball team was a nightmare. Dave Bliss was taking transfers and recruiting guys that other coaches would not touch with a ten foot pole, and for good reason. Dotson was a complete psycho and had no business being anywhere near a college campus. Of course, Baylor football would head down the same path after everybody forgot this scandal.

  • Michelle

    Michelle North Carolina

    Thanks for covering this case. I remembered that I was disgusted with the network, when I watched the ESPN documentary short about Bliss and Dennehy. ESPN had advertised for a week that Bliss was going to finally be honest about what happened...but just as he had done every single time he was interviewed, he denied having any knowledge of Dennehy receiving money or gifts, or anything having to do with Dennehy's murder. I never thought the university was necessarily involved in the murder, but it's behavior during the investigation (which was to protect their coach and team at any cost) was pretty reprehensible. And I don't remember ESPN saying much about Dotson at all, although I'm sure they did...it seemed like all the attention was on Bliss.

    Thanks for covering this case. I remembered that I was disgusted with the network, when I watched the ESPN documentary short about Bliss and Dennehy. ESPN had advertised for a week that Bliss was going to finally be honest about what happened...but just as he had done every single time he was interviewed, he denied having any knowledge of Dennehy receiving money or gifts, or anything having to do with Dennehy's murder. I never thought the university was necessarily involved in the murder, but it's behavior during the investigation (which was to protect their coach and team at any cost) was pretty reprehensible. And I don't remember ESPN saying much about Dotson at all, although I'm sure they did...it seemed like all the attention was on Bliss.

  • mG

    mG

    In regards to the scumbag that is Dave Bliss, he has continued to smear Patrick's name, long after his death. Doubling down on a lie that he created. The whole "drug dealing" angle was developed by Bliss after Patrick's death, when people started asking how exactly Patrick was paying for his education and room and board, etc. For those that don't know, Baylor is a very expensive private school, very expensive. Scumbag Bliss knew eventually the question of how a non-scholarship player without wealthy parents, was paying for all of this. What is so pathetic, is that his own assistant coaches were present when he developed the drug-dealing story. Scumbag Bliss is bordering on delusional. Of course, scumbag ends up writing a Christian book where he talks about being saved, blah blah. But that was all about trying to restore his name so he could hope to coach something else other than high schools and JUCOs. His former players at SMU also came out that they were paid when scumbag was coaching there. I have little doubt he was paying players at NM. And I am sure that Bliss would have thrown any of those kids under the bus whenever his coaching career was threatened. Nic, you just touched on the surface of what a vile piece of crap Bliss is, not was, is.

    In regards to the scumbag that is Dave Bliss, he has continued to smear Patrick's name, long after his death. Doubling down on a lie that he created. The whole "drug dealing" angle was developed by Bliss after Patrick's death, when people started asking how exactly Patrick was paying for his education and room and board, etc. For those that don't know, Baylor is a very expensive private school, very expensive. Scumbag Bliss knew eventually the question of how a non-scholarship player without wealthy parents, was paying for all of this. What is so pathetic, is that his own assistant coaches were present when he developed the drug-dealing story. Scumbag Bliss is bordering on delusional. Of course, scumbag ends up writing a Christian book where he talks about being saved, blah blah. But that was all about trying to restore his name so he could hope to coach something else other than high schools and JUCOs. His former players at SMU also came out that they were paid when scumbag was coaching there. I have little doubt he was paying players at NM. And I am sure that Bliss would have thrown any of those kids under the bus whenever his coaching career was threatened. Nic, you just touched on the surface of what a vile piece of crap Bliss is, not was, is.

  • Monica, Gothenburg

    Monica, Gothenburg

    Thank’ s for the show! I found TCG not that long ago and have now listened to almost all the episodes, mixing new and old ones. Your accent...Love your warm voice and comments Captain and love your cool calm Nic, and most of all - love the way you’ re telling a story together. So clarifying, considerate and captivating😊.

    Thank’ s for the show! I found TCG not that long ago and have now listened to almost all the episodes, mixing new and old ones. Your accent...Love your warm voice and comments Captain and love your cool calm Nic, and most of all - love the way you’ re telling a story together. So clarifying, considerate and captivating😊.

  • Joy

    Joy New York

    Gotta add my mental health two cents here: There are people with psychosis who are actually able to function in a somewhat normal way and people may not even know they hear voices. However, these people usually don’t suffer from any kind of severe paranoid schizophrenia. I have seen people with a severe form of major depressive disorder with psychotic features, where they will only hear voices under extreme duress. However, for someone to be legally insane, that’s a very high bar-and even someone with schizophrenia may not meet that standard at least under law. The differing opinions come from which side the experts are on-or hired for, but also how they interpret the information. Some mental health people-as human beings-will interpret symptoms differently or maybe more vulnerable to believing people than others. At a clinic where I used to work we would sometimes get people we thought might be faking psychosis in order to get government benefits. Some therapists were more suspicious than others. We had questions we could ask clients we were screening that they might not know how to answer and would prove they were not telling the truth if we suspected they were faking symptoms. For instance we would ask ‘do you hear the voices in your left ear or your right ear?’ If the person said ‘left’ or ‘right’ we knew they weren’t being honest because people don’t hear voices in just one ear. I’m guessing any experts they had for this case went through these types of questions but diagnosis is not a perfect science, all you can do is go based on the symptoms presented and any collateral information you may have such as other people or situations that seem to fit the symptoms (I.e. client has been seen talking to trees in the yard, for instance by neighbors or client lost job because client was telling people he was being followed around by CIA who had his phones tapped). There is usually someone or some situation that’s happened that points to a psychotic disorder. And often in cases of severe psychotic disorders there’s a long history involved. However in this case we are dealing with very young adults that are at a prime age for the onset of schizophrenia-so there may not be history here-or he could be faking it. But I would be looking for things at least a few weeks prior that may point to odd, eccentric or bizarre behavior or conversations independent of anything to do with Patrick if I were to believe he was truly psychotic. There have been cases where I thought people truly were legally insane and still did not win in court. Cases where people had a very long documented history of psychiatric hospitalizations and still lost court cases. Some people really need long term, structured hospital treatment and not jail but that’s a really difficult thing to prove in court. Keep up the good work guys!!

    Gotta add my mental health two cents here:

    There are people with psychosis who are actually able to function in a somewhat normal way and people may not even know they hear voices. However, these people usually don’t suffer from any kind of severe paranoid schizophrenia. I have seen people with a severe form of major depressive disorder with psychotic features, where they will only hear voices under extreme duress. However, for someone to be legally insane, that’s a very high bar-and even someone with schizophrenia may not meet that standard at least under law. The differing opinions come from which side the experts are on-or hired for, but also how they interpret the information. Some mental health people-as human beings-will interpret symptoms differently or maybe more vulnerable to believing people than others. At a clinic where I used to work we would sometimes get people we thought might be faking psychosis in order to get government benefits. Some therapists were more suspicious than others. We had questions we could ask clients we were screening that they might not know how to answer and would prove they were not telling the truth if we suspected they were faking symptoms. For instance we would ask ‘do you hear the voices in your left ear or your right ear?’ If the person said ‘left’ or ‘right’ we knew they weren’t being honest because people don’t hear voices in just one ear. I’m guessing any experts they had for this case went through these types of questions but diagnosis is not a perfect science, all you can do is go based on the symptoms presented and any collateral information you may have such as other people or situations that seem to fit the symptoms (I.e. client has been seen talking to trees in the yard, for instance by neighbors or client lost job because client was telling people he was being followed around by CIA who had his phones tapped). There is usually someone or some situation that’s happened that points to a psychotic disorder. And often in cases of severe psychotic disorders there’s a long history involved. However in this case we are dealing with very young adults that are at a prime age for the onset of schizophrenia-so there may not be history here-or he could be faking it. But I would be looking for things at least a few weeks prior that may point to odd, eccentric or bizarre behavior or conversations independent of anything to do with Patrick if I were to believe he was truly psychotic.

    There have been cases where I thought people truly were legally insane and still did not win in court. Cases where people had a very long documented history of psychiatric hospitalizations and still lost court cases. Some people really need long term, structured hospital treatment and not jail but that’s a really difficult thing to prove in court.

    Keep up the good work guys!!

  • Mariah

    Mariah Athens, Ohio

    I wonder if Dotson, being from MD - Lyme's disease hotbed- has been tested for Lymes. It can cause paranoid schizophrenia like symptoms. I have seen it 1st hand. Just a thought. I love the show!!

    I wonder if Dotson, being from MD - Lyme's disease hotbed- has been tested for Lymes. It can cause paranoid schizophrenia like symptoms. I have seen it 1st hand. Just a thought. I love the show!!

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