Reviewing The Black Dahlia

Reviewing The Black Dahlia ////// 46 

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A case this expansive and captivating requires one more week in the garage. With so many Black Dahlia movies, books and documentaries it's clear that there are a lot of opinions and a lot of theories. This week we take what we have learned from last week and mash it up with what we have already known and talk a little more about this unforgettable victim and crime. 

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Some of the audio was generously provided to us by Mark Shostrom 
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19 comments

  • Skygypsiee

    Skygypsiee

    I just would like to give my 2 cents worth. I listening to all three podcasts, a few things come to my attention. 1. I believe it was reported that Mark Hanson seem to be obsessed with Elizabeth. 2. Mark Hansen also had a steady girlfriend. 3. Was his girlfriend ever questioned by the police? Maybe she was jealous of Elizabeth? Maybe she and/or Mark had a connection with a funeral home? Or more importantly, a mortician who would have the knowledge and the facilities to bisect and drain the blood from the body in a manner that would not be questioned. These are questions I have although, they may have been asked and answered years ago.

    I just would like to give my 2 cents worth.

    I listening to all three podcasts, a few things come to my attention.
    1. I believe it was reported that Mark Hanson seem to be obsessed with Elizabeth.
    2. Mark Hansen also had a steady girlfriend.
    3. Was his girlfriend ever questioned by the police? Maybe she was jealous of Elizabeth? Maybe she and/or Mark had a connection with a funeral home? Or more importantly, a mortician who would have the knowledge and the facilities to bisect and drain the blood from the body in a manner that would not be questioned.

    These are questions I have although, they may have been asked and answered years ago.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Skygypsiee, Hanson's GF was Ann Toft - sorry not sure of spelling but she was interviewed by police and Ann spoke very highly of ES and considered her a friend and good person. Many years later she had concerns that Hanson was involved in the crime. Cheers, Nic

    Skygypsiee,
    Hanson's GF was Ann Toft - sorry not sure of spelling but she was interviewed by police and Ann spoke very highly of ES and considered her a friend and good person. Many years later she had concerns that Hanson was involved in the crime. Cheers, Nic

  • Heather

    Heather Phoenixville, PA

    I love this show, but unfortunately I couldn't listen to this entire episode (or the bonus one) because the author's voice was so monotone. I tried to stay alert, but his voice put me to sleep! If you guys ever recover this with just Nic and The Captain, I would love to listen! Still a big fan.

    I love this show, but unfortunately I couldn't listen to this entire episode (or the bonus one) because the author's voice was so monotone. I tried to stay alert, but his voice put me to sleep! If you guys ever recover this with just Nic and The Captain, I would love to listen! Still a big fan.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Heather Reviewing The Black Dahlia is just Nic and I. Check that episode out when you get a chance. Captain

    Heather
    Reviewing The Black Dahlia is just Nic and I. Check that episode out when you get a chance.

    Captain

  • Erika

    Erika Texas

    I'm a huge fan of the show guys and I have to admit that you had me when you said you rooted for the Spurs as that is my team. Thanks for making my work days more enjoyable though I'm pretty sure my poor interns are sick of hearing true crime and gangsta rap from 1993. In my office there is no in between.

    I'm a huge fan of the show guys and I have to admit that you had me when you said you rooted for the Spurs as that is my team. Thanks for making my work days more enjoyable though I'm pretty sure my poor interns are sick of hearing true crime and gangsta rap from 1993. In my office there is no in between.

  • Kmac

    Kmac

    I have to disagree with Heather. Give it another listen after some coffee. I found his knowledge of the case kind of riveting. Such a complex and weird mystery. Great job guys.

    I have to disagree with Heather. Give it another listen after some coffee. I found his knowledge of the case kind of riveting. Such a complex and weird mystery. Great job guys.

  • emcr

    emcr

    Please do an episode on kayo matsuzawa

    Please do an episode on kayo matsuzawa

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Mr True Crime I will add that to the list Captain

    Mr True Crime
    I will add that to the list
    Captain

  • Joyce C

    Joyce C Vienna, VA

    You two always deliver and never disappoint! I have been following and fascinated with the Black Dahlia story for over 30 years! This was by far the best information I have ever heard around this case. Your guest was fascinating and Nic, you did a great job of facilitating the interview. Nic and Captain you did an exceptional job on the review episode as well! I've been a fan since you started and always, always look forward to your podcasts! You two are the best and I finally found my "group" of like minded true crime junkies! I travel a great deal for work and I always look forward to your episodes I have saved for my travels! Keep up the great work and I'm now ordering all my amazon stuff through your website! Warm Regards, Joyce

    You two always deliver and never disappoint! I have been following and fascinated with the Black Dahlia story for over 30 years! This was by far the best information I have ever heard around this case. Your guest was fascinating and Nic, you did a great job of facilitating the interview. Nic and Captain you did an exceptional job on the review episode as well! I've been a fan since you started and always, always look forward to your podcasts! You two are the best and I finally found my "group" of like minded true crime junkies! I travel a great deal for work and I always look forward to your episodes I have saved for my travels! Keep up the great work and I'm now ordering all my amazon stuff through your website! Warm Regards, Joyce

  • Anthony

    Anthony Dundee Scotland

    I've always wondered if a female was ever considered as a suspect due to the high volume of male admirers this young lady was said to have, perhaps jealousy and a reason behind trying to make her "ugly" with the wounds inflicted upon her. Great podcast guys keep it up

    I've always wondered if a female was ever considered as a suspect due to the high volume of male admirers this young lady was said to have, perhaps jealousy and a reason behind trying to make her "ugly" with the wounds inflicted upon her. Great podcast guys keep it up

  • Gia

    Gia Rhode Island

    Loved this series! I never really paid attention to this case, I don't know why really maybe because it's so long ago? But, i learned a lot and it was very interesting! Thanks for all you guys do, I really love the way you cover cases and always treat the victims with respect. 💕

    Loved this series! I never really paid attention to this case, I don't know why really maybe because it's so long ago? But, i learned a lot and it was very interesting! Thanks for all you guys do, I really love the way you cover cases and always treat the victims with respect. 💕

  • Nicholas Macarages

    Nicholas Macarages Fayetteville, NC

    Why would officer Myrl McBride lead Short back to where the threat was? This makes no sense to me. Is there an answer for why she did this??

    Why would officer Myrl McBride lead Short back to where the threat was? This makes no sense to me. Is there an answer for why she did this??

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Nicholas Macarages thats confusing to us as well.

    Nicholas Macarages

    thats confusing to us as well.

  • Vicki

    Vicki

    Just listened to this again and wanted to add that Edward Wayne Edwards would have been around 14 years old at the time of the Black Dahlia killing so if it's a man in the pic it isn't Edwards. I agree on the subject of Edwards. Though for some reason it's fascinating to listen to Cameron, the idea that he killed every high profile unsolved murder victim throughout history in every state is kind of ludicrous, lol. Fantastic series and I loved Mark's interview as I learned a ton of things on this case. There's an old corny TV movie on youtube now called "Who is the Black Dahlia?" for anyone interested. It stars Lucy Arnaz (Desi and Lucille Ball daughter). It's kind of hokey but entertaining nonetheless.

    Just listened to this again and wanted to add that Edward Wayne Edwards would have been around 14 years old at the time of the Black Dahlia killing so if it's a man in the pic it isn't Edwards. I agree on the subject of Edwards. Though for some reason it's fascinating to listen to Cameron, the idea that he killed every high profile unsolved murder victim throughout history in every state is kind of ludicrous, lol.

    Fantastic series and I loved Mark's interview as I learned a ton of things on this case. There's an old corny TV movie on youtube now called "Who is the Black Dahlia?" for anyone interested. It stars Lucy Arnaz (Desi and Lucille Ball daughter). It's kind of hokey but entertaining nonetheless.

  • Viking

    Viking North

    I am certain it is a woman. A couple of years ago a man was found in pieces in my country. His head was also shrunk and not attached to his neck. The police was in total shock because nothing like this had ever happened before. They was sure about either a doctor or a butcher was involved because of the precise cuttings. BUT his wife was also missing. And his wife was from a Balkan country where they are more old school than the women in Sweden. They have the type of knowledge in the kitchen as the women had in the 40s in for example the US. Housewives are skilled with cutting, cleaning (they could not arrest her at first because she was THAT good at cleaning up the blood), and they have time to do things like this. I think that the era of the crime is what made it unsolvable. They didn't even know back then that women were capable of these type of things. I would look into the men's wives or girlfriends and ex's. My bet is on Red's girl since she met him last. The whole story about her calling could just be BS. Imagen being a wife with a newborn and your husband who maybe have cheated earlier before the child was born does it again with the towns biggest flirt. What that would do to your image as a woman at that time and the anger and hatred towards that other woman. She got cut so bad because of anger and hate and frustration. Maybe she knew Elisabeth and considered her a friend and then she got to her husband or boyfriend. The cuts and positioning are the statement of "whore" and the bad thing done to her genitals does either point to that the killer does the connection to a child/pregnancy. The case in Sweden where the woman did a really bad mutulation too is kind of similar to this. I am certain.. this is not a man's doing.

    I am certain it is a woman. A couple of years ago a man was found in pieces in my country. His head was also shrunk and not attached to his neck. The police was in total shock because nothing like this had ever happened before. They was sure about either a doctor or a butcher was involved because of the precise cuttings. BUT his wife was also missing. And his wife was from a Balkan country where they are more old school than the women in Sweden. They have the type of knowledge in the kitchen as the women had in the 40s in for example the US. Housewives are skilled with cutting, cleaning (they could not arrest her at first because she was THAT good at cleaning up the blood), and they have time to do things like this. I think that the era of the crime is what made it unsolvable. They didn't even know back then that women were capable of these type of things. I would look into the men's wives or girlfriends and ex's. My bet is on Red's girl since she met him last. The whole story about her calling could just be BS. Imagen being a wife with a newborn and your husband who maybe have cheated earlier before the child was born does it again with the towns biggest flirt. What that would do to your image as a woman at that time and the anger and hatred towards that other woman. She got cut so bad because of anger and hate and frustration. Maybe she knew Elisabeth and considered her a friend and then she got to her husband or boyfriend. The cuts and positioning are the statement of "whore" and the bad thing done to her genitals does either point to that the killer does the connection to a child/pregnancy. The case in Sweden where the woman did a really bad mutulation too is kind of similar to this. I am certain.. this is not a man's doing.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Certainly a possibility there Viking. In my opinion people should punish the spouse that cheated not the person they cheated with. Regardless, interesting stuff. Cheers, Nic

    Certainly a possibility there Viking. In my opinion people should punish the spouse that cheated not the person they cheated with. Regardless, interesting stuff.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Mae

    Mae Pancho's Battlefield

    Ok - how about Black Dahlia's father? The last we heard he answered the phone, drunkenly and did not provide ideal information. He has a motive and was known to live in the state Black Dahlia was murdered. Why was the father not suspect #1??!

    Ok - how about Black Dahlia's father? The last we heard he answered the phone, drunkenly and did not provide ideal information. He has a motive and was known to live in the state Black Dahlia was murdered.

    Why was the father not suspect #1??!

  • Destiny G

    Destiny G Saint Marys County, Maryland

    I find it strange that (i believe his name is Mark) stated while in San Diego, Elizabeth had seen 2 men and a female at the door of where she was staying at night and was scared and told them not to answer the door (as rumored) and then the female officer who thinks she seen her on the night she was killed stated that she was terrified of someone and she walked her to main street when she left her with 2 men and a female. if these are true i wonder is the people who the officer left her with where truly who she was scared of and trying to get away from but ended up running into them and was too scared to say anything and i also wonder if it is true that they are the same people she was scared to answer the door for. Its probably no relation nor relevance to one another but it is strange. i wish that both accounts could be verified because what if, and as a stretch they are true and related. Who are these people, could it have been the murderer/murderers. Could it have been Mark, & a couple of his shady associates.... just curiosities. If the dead could talk!!

    I find it strange that (i believe his name is Mark) stated while in San Diego, Elizabeth had seen 2 men and a female at the door of where she was staying at night and was scared and told them not to answer the door (as rumored) and then the female officer who thinks she seen her on the night she was killed stated that she was terrified of someone and she walked her to main street when she left her with 2 men and a female. if these are true i wonder is the people who the officer left her with where truly who she was scared of and trying to get away from but ended up running into them and was too scared to say anything and i also wonder if it is true that they are the same people she was scared to answer the door for. Its probably no relation nor relevance to one another but it is strange. i wish that both accounts could be verified because what if, and as a stretch they are true and related. Who are these people, could it have been the murderer/murderers. Could it have been Mark, & a couple of his shady associates.... just curiosities. If the dead could talk!!

  • CraftyCanuck

    CraftyCanuck Saskatchewan

    Johnny Come Lately I know, but am catching up on old episodes, and this one fascinated me! Mr. Shostrom's voice was a bit monotone, and at times his sense of self importance came through, (At the point when he asked Nic about reading a specific book, then when Nic answered in the affirmative, he queried him as if he did not believe Nic had read it!) but like him or not, he did do a great deal of research. At this point folklore, speculation and rumors are so intertwined with the truth, and the fact the case is so old, I doubt the real killers will ever be known. I do appreciate you boys taking the time though, these legend type cases are extremely interesting!

    Johnny Come Lately I know, but am catching up on old episodes, and this one fascinated me!
    Mr. Shostrom's voice was a bit monotone, and at times his sense of self importance came through, (At the point when he asked Nic about reading a specific book, then when Nic answered in the affirmative, he queried him as if he did not believe Nic had read it!) but like him or not, he did do a great deal of research. At this point folklore, speculation and rumors are so intertwined with the truth, and the fact the case is so old, I doubt the real killers will ever be known. I do appreciate you boys taking the time though, these legend type cases are extremely interesting!

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