Russell and Shirley Dermond /// 303 /// 304

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  • Karen

    Karen Eastchester

    Can you put more photos on the web site?

    Can you put more photos on the web site?

  • Claude

    Claude Lethbridge Alberta

    My feeling about the Dermonds, Botched robbery, the perps went to the wrong house, from the lake, realized they had the wrong house and were too far in. The rest is eliminating witnesses and throwing of authorities. One of those houses had a big cache of cash, but not the Dermonds.

    My feeling about the Dermonds,
    Botched robbery, the perps went to the wrong house, from the lake, realized they had the wrong house and were too far in. The rest is eliminating witnesses and throwing of authorities. One of those houses had a big cache of cash, but not the Dermonds.

  • Caitlin

    Caitlin Maine

    I think they were separated on purpose to use one or the others lives as leverage to get what they wanted. When one or the other couldn’t produce what they wanted (I’m guessing money) they were killed. I think that’s why the different locations for the bodies.

    I think they were separated on purpose to use one or the others lives as leverage to get what they wanted. When one or the other couldn’t produce what they wanted (I’m guessing money) they were killed. I think that’s why the different locations for the bodies.

  • SB

    SB

    My thoughts. The boat seems to be the key to this case, correct? The Demond’s (relatively) recently sold their boat, correct? Who purchased their boat? Did any potential buyer use an opportunity to “view” the Demond’s boat to case and target the couple? How was this boat advertised, is there any record, e-mail perhaps, that would chronicle who came and saw the boat? Perhaps the victims popped up on some criminal’s radar and they later targeted and executed them.

    My thoughts.

    The boat seems to be the key to this case, correct? The Demond’s (relatively) recently sold their boat, correct?

    Who purchased their boat? Did any potential buyer use an opportunity to “view” the Demond’s boat to case and target the couple? How was this boat advertised, is there any record, e-mail perhaps, that would chronicle who came and saw the boat?

    Perhaps the victims popped up on some criminal’s radar and they later targeted and executed them.

  • Abby H

    Abby H

    Have they said whose hair they found in Russell’s hand? My original theory: One of the kids hired a hit man. I know the detective was unconvinced since a professional would know Shirley’s body would surface, but couldn’t that also be proof that it was a professional? As said in the episode, she’d have to be missing for at least 7 years before declared dead. Obviously they wouldn’t want to wait that long to get the inheritance so remove her body from the scene to further convolute the investigation, drop her in the water to buy time, and yet know it was only a matter of time before she’d be resurfacing. My theory after listening to Nic’s: What if the plan was to always remove both individuals from the home? Or never to remove either? But possibly Russell attacked & they killed him in a struggle. They attempted to remove the body by dragging it, but found him to be too heavy. One has the bright idea to dismember him to make it easier to transport, but they soon find it produced too much blood. They panic, they place a ton of towels down to soak up the blood, and want to leave the property ASAP. They grab Shirley, not knowing what they are going to do next, and take off with her. They probably realized their extortion idea was not going to work so they kill Shirley & attempt to conceal her body. Very perplexing case!

    Have they said whose hair they found in Russell’s hand?

    My original theory: One of the kids hired a hit man. I know the detective was unconvinced since a professional would know Shirley’s body would surface, but couldn’t that also be proof that it was a professional? As said in the episode, she’d have to be missing for at least 7 years before declared dead. Obviously they wouldn’t want to wait that long to get the inheritance so remove her body from the scene to further convolute the investigation, drop her in the water to buy time, and yet know it was only a matter of time before she’d be resurfacing.

    My theory after listening to Nic’s: What if the plan was to always remove both individuals from the home? Or never to remove either? But possibly Russell attacked & they killed him in a struggle. They attempted to remove the body by dragging it, but found him to be too heavy. One has the bright idea to dismember him to make it easier to transport, but they soon find it produced too much blood. They panic, they place a ton of towels down to soak up the blood, and want to leave the property ASAP. They grab Shirley, not knowing what they are going to do next, and take off with her. They probably realized their extortion idea was not going to work so they kill Shirley & attempt to conceal her body.

    Very perplexing case!

  • Heather

    Heather Jefferson City, MO

    At least two perps, One with Shirley at the lake, and one with Russell? Possible ransom attempt gone wrong for Shirley, which is why she was at the lake and Russell was at the home? Possibly the perps believed that Russell & Shirley had stacks of money that they did not actually have at the home?

    At least two perps, One with Shirley at the lake, and one with Russell? Possible ransom attempt gone wrong for Shirley, which is why she was at the lake and Russell was at the home? Possibly the perps believed that Russell & Shirley had stacks of money that they did not actually have at the home?

  • Jennifer

    Jennifer Canton OH

    Is it possible that Russell was decapitated in order to conceal ballistics from a possible gunshot wound? And is it possible that the perp avoided any possible blood spatter during the attack by wrapping up the victims’ heads before killing them? These are two things that jumped out at me right away...

    Is it possible that Russell was decapitated in order to conceal ballistics from a possible gunshot wound? And is it possible that the perp avoided any possible blood spatter during the attack by wrapping up the victims’ heads before killing them? These are two things that jumped out at me right away...

  • Michelle

    Michelle Durham, NC

    I reject the robbery gone wrong theory because this killer(s) is organized. I've been reading John Douglas' latest book today and his approach, starting with the "how" before the "why," is supremely important. The scene in the garage was too clean, too organized, and betrayed too much planning for this to be a simple robbery gone wrong scenario. These folks knew what they were doing and did not panic. Almost every home invasion gone wrong scenario I can recall speaks to rage and disorganization, resulting in a messy crime scene, absent in this case. Is it possible that the sheriff is waiting for one or more of the children to make some kind of mistake, leading to more evidence coming to light?

    I reject the robbery gone wrong theory because this killer(s) is organized. I've been reading John Douglas' latest book today and his approach, starting with the "how" before the "why," is supremely important. The scene in the garage was too clean, too organized, and betrayed too much planning for this to be a simple robbery gone wrong scenario. These folks knew what they were doing and did not panic. Almost every home invasion gone wrong scenario I can recall speaks to rage and disorganization, resulting in a messy crime scene, absent in this case.

    Is it possible that the sheriff is waiting for one or more of the children to make some kind of mistake, leading to more evidence coming to light?

  • Kevin

    Kevin Colorado

    I’m inclined to agree with Claude. This is very clean and seemingly planned but the killer didn’t seem to gain anything (that we know of). Russels decapitation is strange, but if we agree he was shot was it simply to hide evidence. I.e fingerprints on the bullet or ballistics to a gun registered to the killer. I almost think the killers didn’t plan to shoot him. Accident or otherwise, the decapitation and hiding of the body in the lake is all cover up for an unplanned outcome. Professional hit/mafia can get an untraceable gun. One question I have is where the mesh bags and concrete came from used to sink her body? From the house? Brought by the perp? To me that’s an important detail that could point to motive or the killers

    I’m inclined to agree with Claude. This is very clean and seemingly planned but the killer didn’t seem to gain anything (that we know of). Russels decapitation is strange, but if we agree he was shot was it simply to hide evidence. I.e fingerprints on the bullet or ballistics to a gun registered to the killer. I almost think the killers didn’t plan to shoot him. Accident or otherwise, the decapitation and hiding of the body in the lake is all cover up for an unplanned outcome. Professional hit/mafia can get an untraceable gun. One question I have is where the mesh bags and concrete came from used to sink her body? From the house? Brought by the perp? To me that’s an important detail that could point to motive or the killers

  • April

    April Philadephia

    I thought I heard one of you say they found hair in Russels hand? Is this the forensic evidence they have? If so, they could do the GED match genealogical route and possible find the person or persons responsible. I also don’t agree that this had to be a target for crime or revenge although most likely it was a robbery gone bad. I say this and probably always will bc of the Railway Killer Angel Resindez. He was brutally violent and random. This was a great episode. My heart aches for this couple to have lived through so much and to be violently murdered. I pray justice is served for them and their families. This was a great episode as always and very thorough.

    I thought I heard one of you say they found hair in Russels hand? Is this the forensic evidence they have? If so, they could do the GED match genealogical route and possible find the person or persons responsible. I also don’t agree that this had to be a target for crime or revenge although most likely it was a robbery gone bad. I say this and probably always will bc of the Railway Killer Angel Resindez. He was brutally violent and random. This was a great episode. My heart aches for this couple to have lived through so much and to be violently murdered. I pray justice is served for them and their families. This was a great episode as always and very thorough.

  • Keith

    Keith NC

    I think the headed was taken to remove evidence. He may have bitten the killer. It does sound like he put up a fight.

    I think the headed was taken to remove evidence. He may have bitten the killer. It does sound like he put up a fight.

  • Alex

    Alex Avon

    Very good episodes - and a real return to what make TCG the best Crime Podcast available. I have one small critique - the final 10 mins Nick turned into an FBI Profiler (likely after his interview with John Douglas), while this was entertaining in of itself - I felt Nick came across as a bit naive and mildly egotistical. Unintended I'm sure but it was hard to take seriously TBH.

    Very good episodes - and a real return to what make TCG the best Crime Podcast available.
    I have one small critique - the final 10 mins Nick turned into an FBI Profiler (likely after his interview with John Douglas), while this was entertaining in of itself - I felt Nick came across as a bit naive and mildly egotistical. Unintended I'm sure but it was hard to take seriously TBH.

  • Jackie

    Jackie

    I’m also stuck on the boat they recently sold. This is my crazy theory.... maybe it was a couple that had looked at the boat or connected to whoever bought it? Maybe they got the vibe that this old couple had cash and the female lured Shirley to get on the boat for an afternoon ride or whatever and everything went sideways when the guy shot Russell in the garage cause he wasn’t going down without a fight... maybe Shirley freaked out when she heard the shot, which caused the woman to freak out and attack her. It would explain how they were separated. I’m guessing his head is somewhere in the lake between their house and where Shirley was found. I don’t know. It’s my best theory.

    I’m also stuck on the boat they recently sold. This is my crazy theory.... maybe it was a couple that had looked at the boat or connected to whoever bought it? Maybe they got the vibe that this old couple had cash and the female lured Shirley to get on the boat for an afternoon ride or whatever and everything went sideways when the guy shot Russell in the garage cause he wasn’t going down without a fight... maybe Shirley freaked out when she heard the shot, which caused the woman to freak out and attack her. It would explain how they were separated. I’m guessing his head is somewhere in the lake between their house and where Shirley was found.

    I don’t know. It’s my best theory.

  • Stephanie

    Stephanie Midland, TX

    This case made me think of the “In Cold Blood” murders in Kansas. If that case hadn’t been solved it would have been so baffling, because the motive was so unbelievable. Great coverage of a such a tragic case I hope it gets solved.

    This case made me think of the “In Cold Blood” murders in Kansas. If that case hadn’t been solved it would have been so baffling, because the motive was so unbelievable. Great coverage of a such a tragic case I hope it gets solved.

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    Regarding the hair evidence - I saw a couple of reports that said this was Shirley’s hair found in Russel’s hand. However I couldn’t find a statement from Sills saying such. With how vocal he is about this case I’m only believing what he says not just reports. This was a big news case in that area and like with any and like with our show the reports were good but contained speculation and rumors at times. Cheers Nic

    Regarding the hair evidence - I saw a couple of reports that said this was Shirley’s hair found in Russel’s hand. However I couldn’t find a statement from Sills saying such. With how vocal he is about this case I’m only believing what he says not just reports. This was a big news case in that area and like with any and like with our show the reports were good but contained speculation and rumors at times.
    Cheers Nic

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    I agree with you Alex, while I think each episode is good for different reasons... sometimes the research is so fascinating but not always. But when it is it’s easy for us to be at our best. Recent cases when this has occurred The Desmond case and Pastor Carol Daniel’s case. I also agree with your thoughts on my “profile.” Once in a while I am inspired to put together what I call my Garage profile of an offender or in this case offenders. This will likely always come off as a little naive and egotistical just for the simple fact that I’m not qualified to do so. But within the four walls of the garage and experience I have gained from the over 150 cases that we’ve covered I do have a good knowledge of such. But we should keep in mind in mind this is just an amateur sleuth’s profile, my garage profile. I do enjoy putting them together so thank you for saying it was entertaining as I may have been discouraged from doing one again. If I get time and if anyone wants to read it I can post my full profile here. Cheers and if anyone has time check out a Sheriff Sills interview, as said on the show - he’s the man! -Nic

    I agree with you Alex, while I think each episode is good for different reasons... sometimes the research is so fascinating but not always. But when it is it’s easy for us to be at our best. Recent cases when this has occurred The Desmond case and Pastor Carol Daniel’s case. I also agree with your thoughts on my “profile.” Once in a while I am inspired to put together what I call my Garage profile of an offender or in this case offenders. This will likely always come off as a little naive and egotistical just for the simple fact that I’m not qualified to do so. But within the four walls of the garage and experience I have gained from the over 150 cases that we’ve covered I do have a good knowledge of such. But we should keep in mind in mind this is just an amateur sleuth’s profile, my garage profile. I do enjoy putting them together so thank you for saying it was entertaining as I may have been discouraged from doing one again. If I get time and if anyone wants to read it I can post my full profile here.
    Cheers and if anyone has time check out a Sheriff Sills interview, as said on the show - he’s the man!
    -Nic

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    *Dermond case Sorry Nic

    *Dermond case
    Sorry Nic

  • RACHEL

    RACHEL O-H-I-O

    First of all Nic, I want to read the entire profile, so post it! People can know things without being educated formally to know them. There will never be a substitute for intuition. Also, a few thoughts I had on this case: *When Sills said he believed the eyewitness because of what they didn't see, my first thought was they didn't see the obvious which was a car. That would confirm the boat arrival theory. On a bit more of a speculation limb, what if they didn't see something like shoes, and the forensic evidence is a foot print or partial foot print? *Can gun residue be on a barrel of a gun from a previous shot? If so, maybe all the residue on the collar points to is him having a gun to his head and maybe being led out to the garage or around the house. I say this because no bullet anywhere at the scene, doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't shot there. Maybe it means he wasn't shot at all. With the amount of blood in the garage, I would imagine blood from a head wound caused by lets say a hammer would probably be like blue on black, splatters excluded. Maybe he wasn't killed with blunt force trauma that broke the skin so there would be no blood. I do like the theory of him biting the perp and that is why his head was taken. *I think the fact that they have no debit cards is significant. Every time they wanted cash, which would be more and more necessary for someone without a debit card in a world refusing personal checks anymore, they would have to go into a bank and make a withdraw. What if there is a young teller who sees this an doesn't put two and two together that the cash being withdrawn is also being spent. She goes home and tells a boyfriend about this couple. He gets an idea in his head to go rob them. It goes horribly wrong. He decides to play a bad guy like the ones he has seen on tv. That would explain the scene being forensically cleaned and also explain why they didnt know enough to properly sink a body. It may also explain why the Dermonds may have felt comfortable opening the door. If it was someone who did their banking. Also, did they have a safe deposit box by any chance? Just curious. I realize that's highly speculative but it seems to fit unless I am missing something big. *The clothing tells me something happened in the morning. Elderly people tend to be early risers. So Shirley was up and dressed, doing her crossword. Russell was still in his lounge clothes though. So not so early they both would be undressed but early enough Russell wouldn't be. My two cents:) Also cant believe someone mentioned the Railway Killer! I grew up in a small town in rural Ohio and my house backed up to train tracks. This case terrified me as a teen.

    First of all Nic, I want to read the entire profile, so post it! People can know things without being educated formally to know them. There will never be a substitute for intuition. Also, a few thoughts I had on this case:

    *When Sills said he believed the eyewitness because of what they didn't see, my first thought was they didn't see the obvious which was a car. That would confirm the boat arrival theory. On a bit more of a speculation limb, what if they didn't see something like shoes, and the forensic evidence is a foot print or partial foot print?

    *Can gun residue be on a barrel of a gun from a previous shot? If so, maybe all the residue on the collar points to is him having a gun to his head and maybe being led out to the garage or around the house. I say this because no bullet anywhere at the scene, doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't shot there. Maybe it means he wasn't shot at all. With the amount of blood in the garage, I would imagine blood from a head wound caused by lets say a hammer would probably be like blue on black, splatters excluded. Maybe he wasn't killed with blunt force trauma that broke the skin so there would be no blood. I do like the theory of him biting the perp and that is why his head was taken.

    *I think the fact that they have no debit cards is significant. Every time they wanted cash, which would be more and more necessary for someone without a debit card in a world refusing personal checks anymore, they would have to go into a bank and make a withdraw. What if there is a young teller who sees this an doesn't put two and two together that the cash being withdrawn is also being spent. She goes home and tells a boyfriend about this couple. He gets an idea in his head to go rob them. It goes horribly wrong. He decides to play a bad guy like the ones he has seen on tv. That would explain the scene being forensically cleaned and also explain why they didnt know enough to properly sink a body. It may also explain why the Dermonds may have felt comfortable opening the door. If it was someone who did their banking. Also, did they have a safe deposit box by any chance? Just curious. I realize that's highly speculative but it seems to fit unless I am missing something big.

    *The clothing tells me something happened in the morning. Elderly people tend to be early risers. So Shirley was up and dressed, doing her crossword. Russell was still in his lounge clothes though. So not so early they both would be undressed but early enough Russell wouldn't be.

    My two centssmile Also cant believe someone mentioned the Railway Killer! I grew up in a small town in rural Ohio and my house backed up to train tracks. This case terrified me as a teen.

  • Mimi

    Mimi Indiana

    Do we know anything about the sale of their boat? I know it was mentioned they had sold their boat due to Shirley's health. Maybe someone who had looked at the boat prior to the sale that had met and sized up the Dermonds as elderly, weathy, would have most likely been aware of the dock access, etc.? Love what you do!!!

    Do we know anything about the sale of their boat? I know it was mentioned they had sold their boat due to Shirley's health. Maybe someone who had looked at the boat prior to the sale that had met and sized up the Dermonds as elderly, weathy, would have most likely been aware of the dock access, etc.?

    Love what you do!!!

  • Rudy

    Rudy Minneapolis, MN

    Very interesting case! Nice job on the episode, I have listened to all 304 episodes and hate that I have to wait until next week to listen to new material. Maybe the Sheriff has already been down this path but I think it's really peculiar that the Dermonds were hit the day or two following a bank visit. Has anyone investigated the bank tellers? I know this sounds obvious but any bank teller at that bank has access to see how much money they have, where they live, recent cash withdrawals, and the fact that they must have some money stashed at home since they do not have ATM debit cards. In my experience, bank tellers are always those people that you tend to tell too much to. I, personally, usually end up leaving the bank asking myself why I over-shared my life to a complete stranger, like why did the bank teller care to know that I'm cleaning the garage today before I go out for a meat raffle and bingo... I think this was a planned heist/robbery by multiple people, one of which worked at the bank or knew someone that worked at the bank. The episode and many other commenters seem to think that they did not get off with any cash, how do we know that? Whoever was part of this plan was evil and took this as a crime of opportunity to fulfill their desire to kill. As you stated, Nic, I also believe that someone that was a part of this feels bad and did not know how brutal this was going to end up, however, they fear for their life if they go to the police. I think this one will be solved... #BanTheVan

    Very interesting case! Nice job on the episode, I have listened to all 304 episodes and hate that I have to wait until next week to listen to new material.

    Maybe the Sheriff has already been down this path but I think it's really peculiar that the Dermonds were hit the day or two following a bank visit. Has anyone investigated the bank tellers? I know this sounds obvious but any bank teller at that bank has access to see how much money they have, where they live, recent cash withdrawals, and the fact that they must have some money stashed at home since they do not have ATM debit cards. In my experience, bank tellers are always those people that you tend to tell too much to. I, personally, usually end up leaving the bank asking myself why I over-shared my life to a complete stranger, like why did the bank teller care to know that I'm cleaning the garage today before I go out for a meat raffle and bingo...

    I think this was a planned heist/robbery by multiple people, one of which worked at the bank or knew someone that worked at the bank. The episode and many other commenters seem to think that they did not get off with any cash, how do we know that? Whoever was part of this plan was evil and took this as a crime of opportunity to fulfill their desire to kill. As you stated, Nic, I also believe that someone that was a part of this feels bad and did not know how brutal this was going to end up, however, they fear for their life if they go to the police.

    I think this one will be solved...

    #BanTheVan

  • Abby H

    Abby H

    I, for one, found it insightful. It doesn’t take an FBI badge to be able to start seeing patterns & drawing conclusions. Especially when you immerse yourself in true crime. I personally would love to read the entire profile if you get the opportunity to post it. Keep up the great work!

    I, for one, found it insightful. It doesn’t take an FBI badge to be able to start seeing patterns & drawing conclusions. Especially when you immerse yourself in true crime. I personally would love to read the entire profile if you get the opportunity to post it. Keep up the great work!

  • Madi

    Madi Pittsburgh, PA

    I saw someone had the same thought as me regarding them recently selling their boat and looking into downsizing. Have they looked into who they sold their boat to? Was it known (possibly in an exchange with the person buying that boat) that they had other valuable items they were looking to get rid of? That seems like a good opportunity for someone to target them. I’d also be interested in knowing what other valuables of theirs they were looking to get rid of OR already got rid of, and who they were sold to. Seems like this case could go anyway though. So many possibilities.

    I saw someone had the same thought as me regarding them recently selling their boat and looking into downsizing. Have they looked into who they sold their boat to? Was it known (possibly in an exchange with the person buying that boat) that they had other valuable items they were looking to get rid of? That seems like a good opportunity for someone to target them. I’d also be interested in knowing what other valuables of theirs they were looking to get rid of OR already got rid of, and who they were sold to. Seems like this case could go anyway though. So many possibilities.

  • Ross

    Ross Indiana

    Love the show guys! I think the reason Mr Dermond was decapitated was because the killer realized that maybe there was a bullet in his head that could be traced back to a gun they own and lead to the killers capture .

    Love the show guys!
    I think the reason Mr Dermond was decapitated was because the killer realized that maybe there was a bullet in his head that could be traced back to a gun they own and lead to the killers capture .

  • Amanda

    Amanda Maryland

    I was thinking along the same lines as Jennifer, regarding the lack of blood and reason for decapitation. The killer(s) clearly knew what they were doing. The hardest thing with this one is figuring out the motive. Rich people; well-liked; no valuables stolen. Pretty baffling. Nic- do all the amateur profiling you want! In the end, isn’t that kind of what we’re all doing when we discuss our theories?

    I was thinking along the same lines as Jennifer, regarding the lack of blood and reason for decapitation. The killer(s) clearly knew what they were doing. The hardest thing with this one is figuring out the motive. Rich people; well-liked; no valuables stolen. Pretty baffling. Nic- do all the amateur profiling you want! In the end, isn’t that kind of what we’re all doing when we discuss our theories?

  • Shannon

    Shannon Ohio

    Nic I would love to read your profile! I agree that you most definitely have alot more insight in crimes than most, if not all of us! Please share! I keep thinking back to how you had said that Shirley had issues with the incline down to the boat dock.How did the perpetrator(s) get her onto the boat? And I kinda feel like if these perpetrator(s) can sever an entire head with no problems then wouldnt they find it just as easy if not easier to just remove the bullet from his head? This is definitely an interesting case! Thanks so much for all your hard work! You guys are awesome!

    Nic I would love to read your profile! I agree that you most definitely have alot more insight in crimes than most, if not all of us! Please share!
    I keep thinking back to how you had said that Shirley had issues with the incline down to the boat dock.How did the perpetrator(s) get her onto the boat? And I kinda feel like if these perpetrator(s) can sever an entire head with no problems then wouldnt they find it just as easy if not easier to just remove the bullet from his head? This is definitely an interesting case!
    Thanks so much for all your hard work! You guys are awesome!

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    Rachel - you read my mind. I don’t know the angle this eyewitness would have had but from the pictures I’ve seen and the descriptions - if the witness view was from the back or one side - then yes no car would “it.” The shoes were also a strong consideration I had - however the witness was so far away they could not determine race or if they were seeing Russell so I agree footprint would be cool but the witness may not have been able to determine shoes or no shoes. As always Rachel - good to hear from you. Cheers Nic

    Rachel - you read my mind. I don’t know the angle this eyewitness would have had but from the pictures I’ve seen and the descriptions - if the witness view was from the back or one side - then yes no car would “it.” The shoes were also a strong consideration I had - however the witness was so far away they could not determine race or if they were seeing Russell so I agree footprint would be cool but the witness may not have been able to determine shoes or no shoes. As always Rachel - good to hear from you.
    Cheers Nic

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    All I know about the boat - is they sold it in 2012 so about 2 years earlier. It’s possible it’s connected - According to Sills’ reports this person/persons would have been interviewed. Cheers Nic

    All I know about the boat - is they sold it in 2012 so about 2 years earlier. It’s possible it’s connected - According to Sills’ reports this person/persons would have been interviewed.
    Cheers Nic

  • Christina S

    Christina S

    Thank you guys for doing this episode! I remember when it first happened and reading everything I could in it. This couple reminded me so much of my grandparents it really shook me. I really think the decapitation was purely to take any ballistic evidence with them. I do think that whoever did this had it planned, they showed up on boat and had the cement blocks ready to tie Shirley with. I don’t believe the kids were involved. Nobody would go through the trouble when their parents could die of natural causes any day. If it were a situation with gambling or drugs, detectives would have sniffed that out a mile away. I just can’t think of a plausible suspect.

    Thank you guys for doing this episode! I remember when it first happened and reading everything I could in it. This couple reminded me so much of my grandparents it really shook me. I really think the decapitation was purely to take any ballistic evidence with them. I do think that whoever did this had it planned, they showed up on boat and had the cement blocks ready to tie Shirley with.
    I don’t believe the kids were involved. Nobody would go through the trouble when their parents could die of natural causes any day. If it were a situation with gambling or drugs, detectives would have sniffed that out a mile away.
    I just can’t think of a plausible suspect.

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    Here’s my profile of the Dermond Murder offenders... I’m not saying I’m right - I’m just throwing out my thoughts on the possible offenders. Yes offenders, more than one. I say this because of the movements I believe were involved in perpetuating these crimes would have required at least 2 persons. I actually believe it was a three person team. At least two are males but likely all three are males. Sills also has said more than one person was involved. I trust this man’s expertise. I believe money was the motive with maybe a side of revenge but definitely money. I think it’s very likely that the planned movements were predetermined to end in either the murder of Russell or both of the Dermonds. I also think not everyone in the group knew this in advance. I think the movements of both the offenders and victim’s were all by design and well planned. The movements and outcome of the plan are the result of a designed attack structured by resources and tools. And these are - a boat, a gun, a knife, hand held 2 way radios and some type of hammer. The killers accessed and left the property via boat. At least one of the offenders owned or borrowed a boat during the weekend of the murders. They may have sold the boat after murders. Ages 25 to 40. At least one of them is Caucasian although he may be quite tan. Likely all are Caucasian - 2 or more of these guys are into hunting and fishing. 2 or more are very comfortable with guns and knives. Russell suffered at least two or three head wounds before death. The possibilities bite, stab, struck with a gun and shot. The gun used to shoot him in the back of the head likely a 22 handgun. The head was removed to hide evidence - possibly because the gun used was purchased within days of the murders. Again possibly a bite. At the time 2 or more of these guys lived in one of the 4 counties where lake oconee is. At least one them owned a truck. 2 or more had a very good knowledge of lake oconee. All of them are blue collar workers. These are hardworking and hard drinking guys. There is a clear leader amongst this group. The leader had a full time job at the time that required him to work mostly Monday through Friday. These guys are not regular criminals in the common sense. They are not thugs. But they are street smart. I say this because they were smart enough not to steal items that through the sale of said items would get them caught. Regarding the leader - he is a small time gambler, lottery, scratch offs kind of stuff. A get rich quick type of dude. People closest to him like his wife, girlfriend or others will know him to be a liar & a manipulator. He is someone that not only believes in cheating the system - he brags to his significant other about stealing from his employer- be it money, materials or time. He hates authority because of his delusional ideology of himself, his intelligence and ego - he thinks he is the authority and above others. No matter the situation he considers himself to be the smartest guy in the room but in truth rarely he is. One of the offenders truly believed he was participating in a crime where “no one was going to get hurt.” I would try to publicly appeal to that individual. The killings were not by his hand. He wants to talk to cleanse his soul but has not because he is afraid of the other two - that he knows to be cold blooded killers. I hope they find these guys. I believe two of them will commit violent crimes again - maybe not murder but certainly some form of armed robbery. Good luck and God speed to you Sheriff Sills - we’re all pulling for you! Nic

    Here’s my profile of the Dermond Murder offenders...
    I’m not saying I’m right - I’m just throwing out my thoughts on the possible offenders. Yes offenders, more than one. I say this because of the movements I believe were involved in perpetuating these crimes would have required at least 2 persons. I actually believe it was a three person team. At least two are males but likely all three are males. Sills also has said more than one person was involved. I trust this man’s expertise. I believe money was the motive with maybe a side of revenge but definitely money. I think it’s very likely that the planned movements were predetermined to end in either the murder of Russell or both of the Dermonds. I also think not everyone in the group knew this in advance. I think the movements of both the offenders and victim’s were all by design and well planned. The movements and outcome of the plan are the result of a designed attack structured by resources and tools. And these are - a boat, a gun, a knife, hand held 2 way radios and some type of hammer. The killers accessed and left the property via boat. At least one of the offenders owned or borrowed a boat during the weekend of the murders. They may have sold the boat after murders. Ages 25 to 40. At least one of them is Caucasian although he may be quite tan. Likely all are Caucasian - 2 or more of these guys are into hunting and fishing. 2 or more are very comfortable with guns and knives. Russell suffered at least two or three head wounds before death. The possibilities bite, stab, struck with a gun and shot. The gun used to shoot him in the back of the head likely a 22 handgun. The head was removed to hide evidence - possibly because the gun used was purchased within days of the murders. Again possibly a bite. At the time 2 or more of these guys lived in one of the 4 counties where lake oconee is. At least one them owned a truck. 2 or more had a very good knowledge of lake oconee. All of them are blue collar workers. These are hardworking and hard drinking guys. There is a clear leader amongst this group. The leader had a full time job at the time that required him to work mostly Monday through Friday. These guys are not regular criminals in the common sense. They are not thugs. But they are street smart. I say this because they were smart enough not to steal items that through the sale of said items would get them caught. Regarding the leader - he is a small time gambler, lottery, scratch offs kind of stuff. A get rich quick type of dude. People closest to him like his wife, girlfriend or others will know him to be a liar & a manipulator. He is someone that not only believes in cheating the system - he brags to his significant other about stealing from his employer- be it money, materials or time. He hates authority because of his delusional ideology of himself, his intelligence and ego - he thinks he is the authority and above others. No matter the situation he considers himself to be the smartest guy in the room but in truth rarely he is. One of the offenders truly believed he was participating in a crime where “no one was going to get hurt.” I would try to publicly appeal to that individual. The killings were not by his hand. He wants to talk to cleanse his soul but has not because he is afraid of the other two - that he knows to be cold blooded killers.
    I hope they find these guys. I believe two of them will commit violent crimes again - maybe not murder but certainly some form of armed robbery. Good luck and God speed to you Sheriff Sills - we’re all pulling for you!
    Nic

  • SB

    SB

    One other thought. I find it conflicting that the detective believes the murder took place elsewhere, but the head was decapitated and the body was found in the garage. I find this strange. It was also mentioned that there were towels placed near the cracks of the garage door, arguably to stop the blood from spilling out into the outside driveway. This seems to make sense, but if the murder took place somewhere else, and the head was removed after death, would the body still pump enough blood to where a killer would need to block the driveway. And, if the man was really killed elsewhere and MOVED to his final location, why put him near the garage door in the first place if the killer was really worried about blood dripping outside of the garage. Perhaps the towels were stuffed near the garage door, not to stop blood from seeping out, but rather to lock carbon monoxide in!!!! Perhaps the goal was to use the cars in the garage as means to kill them both...

    One other thought.

    I find it conflicting that the detective believes the murder took place elsewhere, but the head was decapitated and the body was found in the garage. I find this strange. It was also mentioned that there were towels placed near the cracks of the garage door, arguably to stop the blood from spilling out into the outside driveway. This seems to make sense, but if the murder took place somewhere else, and the head was removed after death, would the body still pump enough blood to where a killer would need to block the driveway. And, if the man was really killed elsewhere and MOVED to his final location, why put him near the garage door in the first place if the killer was really worried about blood dripping outside of the garage.

    Perhaps the towels were stuffed near the garage door, not to stop blood from seeping out, but rather to lock carbon monoxide in!!!! Perhaps the goal was to use the cars in the garage as means to kill them both...

  • Amanda

    Amanda Maryland

    Nice profile, Nic! I like your idea of appealing to anyone involved who didn't realize the extent of what was going to happen. A clean conscience would be better than living with fear and guilt. Maybe the cops can offer him some kind of protection, even put him and his family in witness protection. Most of all, I hope none of the kids were involved. I know it's happened before, but it would just be the epitome of heartlessness to murder an aging parents to get the money a little bit sooner.

    Nice profile, Nic! I like your idea of appealing to anyone involved who didn't realize the extent of what was going to happen. A clean conscience would be better than living with fear and guilt. Maybe the cops can offer him some kind of protection, even put him and his family in witness protection.

    Most of all, I hope none of the kids were involved. I know it's happened before, but it would just be the epitome of heartlessness to murder an aging parents to get the money a little bit sooner.

  • Ericka

    Ericka Wisconsin

    So if one of their kids wasn't involved, what about a grandkid? If there was no sign of forced entry/break in, it's reasonable to assume that they opened the door to someone they knew, right? What if they have a grandchild that was into the schneef and was looking at a way to get cash for more? They wouldn't take anything of value, because they knew that their parents and/or aunt/uncle would know what was missing. Plus it's somewhat traceable if they tried to pawn it and their dealer won't want it anyway because he only takes cash. Kids don't know everything about their grandparents, so it's possible that they didn't know that grandpa didn't have an ATM card. What if they took grandpa out to the garage so he could drive to an ATM to get money and that's when they found at that he didn't have an ATM card and shot him there? The bullet get stuck in his head and they take it because the gun can be traced back to him/her or a family member. Grandma could still be inside, not know what was going on. After grandpa is dead, they take grandma out of the house under the ruse that they are going to breakfast or whatever, but really want to take her to the bank to get her to withdraw cash. Are there reports of grandma having some sort of medical ailment, like dementia, where she doesn't remember where they bank at or freaks out when she realizes that she's being forced to withdraw money? The dope-fiends panic and then kill her and dump her body. If it's a grandkid, they are more likely to know the river because they spent time with their grandparents on boats and such. I am guessing that they probably left money to their grandchildren in their will, so douche canoe could have thought that he would strike it rich from the will.

    So if one of their kids wasn't involved, what about a grandkid? If there was no sign of forced entry/break in, it's reasonable to assume that they opened the door to someone they knew, right? What if they have a grandchild that was into the schneef and was looking at a way to get cash for more? They wouldn't take anything of value, because they knew that their parents and/or aunt/uncle would know what was missing. Plus it's somewhat traceable if they tried to pawn it and their dealer won't want it anyway because he only takes cash. Kids don't know everything about their grandparents, so it's possible that they didn't know that grandpa didn't have an ATM card. What if they took grandpa out to the garage so he could drive to an ATM to get money and that's when they found at that he didn't have an ATM card and shot him there? The bullet get stuck in his head and they take it because the gun can be traced back to him/her or a family member. Grandma could still be inside, not know what was going on. After grandpa is dead, they take grandma out of the house under the ruse that they are going to breakfast or whatever, but really want to take her to the bank to get her to withdraw cash. Are there reports of grandma having some sort of medical ailment, like dementia, where she doesn't remember where they bank at or freaks out when she realizes that she's being forced to withdraw money? The dope-fiends panic and then kill her and dump her body. If it's a grandkid, they are more likely to know the river because they spent time with their grandparents on boats and such. I am guessing that they probably left money to their grandchildren in their will, so douche canoe could have thought that he would strike it rich from the will.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    My understanding is the grandkids all live out of state as well. At the time only 1 was an adult and he/she was investigated per Sheriff Sills comments. Cheers Nic

    My understanding is the grandkids all live out of state as well. At the time only 1 was an adult and he/she was investigated per Sheriff Sills comments.
    Cheers Nic

  • RACHEL

    RACHEL O-H-I-O

    I also enjoyed the profile! Very thorough and believable. Sounds like a landscaping or asphalt crew, especially given the early morning hours the crime most likely took place in. They could commit it and go back to work. Would also explain a tan. One thing I keep getting caught up on is the idea that a bullet would get caught in the skull. I know a 22 is a small gauge but it still seems implausible to me. If anyone has information on statistics of bullet exits on adult skulls in close range (anything close enough to control an adult is close range) I would appreciate it. Because if I have learned nothing else from TCG besides be good, be kind, and don't litter, its watch what you google or you will become a suspect lol

    I also enjoyed the profile! Very thorough and believable. Sounds like a landscaping or asphalt crew, especially given the early morning hours the crime most likely took place in. They could commit it and go back to work. Would also explain a tan. One thing I keep getting caught up on is the idea that a bullet would get caught in the skull. I know a 22 is a small gauge but it still seems implausible to me. If anyone has information on statistics of bullet exits on adult skulls in close range (anything close enough to control an adult is close range) I would appreciate it. Because if I have learned nothing else from TCG besides be good, be kind, and don't litter, its watch what you google or you will become a suspect lol

  • Leelee

    Leelee Ohio

    I dont see the "botched robbery" angle. Who takes a head but leaves a Rolex watch on the arm??

    I dont see the "botched robbery" angle. Who takes a head but leaves a Rolex watch on the arm??

  • Leelee

    Leelee Ohio

    After listening to both parts, I'm SOO surprised that you left out what could possibly be a major factor in this case. You mentioned that the Dermonds were predeceased by a fourth child. What you left out was the fact that this son was a drug addict who was bailed out (financially) by his parents for years. He was also murdered several years before his parents in what the papers described as a "drug deal gone wrong". His murderer was tried and convicted. C'mon guys, you completely skipped over this?? Makes me wonder what other info you decide isnt important enough to include in your podcasts.

    After listening to both parts, I'm SOO surprised that you left out what could possibly be a major factor in this case. You mentioned that the Dermonds were predeceased by a fourth child. What you left out was the fact that this son was a drug addict who was bailed out (financially) by his parents for years. He was also murdered several years before his parents in what the papers described as a "drug deal gone wrong". His murderer was tried and convicted. C'mon guys, you completely skipped over this?? Makes me wonder what other info you decide isnt important enough to include in your podcasts.

  • Mairead

    Mairead Ireland

    Great episode but Nic, Nic I love ya but you are so so so full of yourself

    Great episode but Nic, Nic I love ya but you are so so so full of yourself

  • Gayle

    Gayle WY

    Could this possibly have been a kidnapping for ransom? That would explain Shirley being taken from the home, maybe while the husband was out doing errands. Maybe the husband wouldn't play the game and pay up. Maybe he did have a large amount of cash at the home and they killed him after they received the money.

    Could this possibly have been a kidnapping for ransom? That would explain Shirley being taken from the home, maybe while the husband was out doing errands. Maybe the husband wouldn't play the game and pay up. Maybe he did have a large amount of cash at the home and they killed him after they received the money.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    The 4th child is a tragic story but we did mention he had passed away by the time of the murders so obviously not a suspect. Sheriff Sills has stated on record the incidents have nothing to do with one another. Cheers Nic

    The 4th child is a tragic story but we did mention he had passed away by the time of the murders so obviously not a suspect. Sheriff Sills has stated on record the incidents have nothing to do with one another.
    Cheers Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    At Gayle - I totally think that is what the offenders were trying to do. Take Shirley -away from the house and leave 1 or 2 guys behind to negotiate with Russel. Cheers Nic

    At Gayle - I totally think that is what the offenders were trying to do. Take Shirley -away from the house and leave 1 or 2 guys behind to negotiate with Russel.
    Cheers Nic

  • Dianne

    Dianne Hamilton MA

    Omg it was definitely one of the kids I’d say. It was a heat of the moment Crime and his head was cut off to get rid of the bullet evidence. She was killed differently probably so the killer wouldn’t have to do that again.

    Omg it was definitely one of the kids I’d say. It was a heat of the moment Crime and his head was cut off to get rid of the bullet evidence. She was killed differently probably so the killer wouldn’t have to do that again.

  • Ali

    Ali Atlanta

    This was a HUGE case down here and very chilling with all the double murder and details. That is a very wealthy area and I have to agree it definitely sounds like a “team of 2-3” did this. My question would be, did anyone not hear gunshots if he had been shot in the head? Strongly think it could be a teller at the bank connection. They knew of the finances and possible day to day small talk with Russell when he visited the bank. Such a horrifying sad case. I hope it is solved soon.

    This was a HUGE case down here and very chilling with all the double murder and details. That is a very wealthy area and I have to agree it definitely sounds like a “team of 2-3” did this. My question would be, did anyone not hear gunshots if he had been shot in the head? Strongly think it could be a teller at the bank connection. They knew of the finances and possible day to day small talk with Russell when he visited the bank. Such a horrifying sad case. I hope it is solved soon.

  • mG

    mG tX

    This case becomes bizarre and hard to figure because of the decapitation angle. It is hard to form a functioning theory because of that. In my opinion, the only thing that makes sense because of the decapitation is that the person that shot him in the head, if in fact he was shot in the head, used a gun that was registered to him or could be connected to him. Someone knew a ballistics test could connect them to the gun. You couldn't very well extract a bullet there, so chop off the head and get rid of the evidence. If it was a mob hit or something else, the gun would not be traceable, so they wouldn't care about the ballistics, just dump the gun. But of course, they did weigh the wife down and threw her in a lake, where she would not be found for a long time. Could have done that with the male, but still risky. Someone from the area, probably thought there was big money there, used a gun that could be connected to him. Hard to imagine anybody capable of such brutality would not have later struck again.

    This case becomes bizarre and hard to figure because of the decapitation angle. It is hard to form a functioning theory because of that. In my opinion, the only thing that makes sense because of the decapitation is that the person that shot him in the head, if in fact he was shot in the head, used a gun that was registered to him or could be connected to him. Someone knew a ballistics test could connect them to the gun. You couldn't very well extract a bullet there, so chop off the head and get rid of the evidence. If it was a mob hit or something else, the gun would not be traceable, so they wouldn't care about the ballistics, just dump the gun. But of course, they did weigh the wife down and threw her in a lake, where she would not be found for a long time. Could have done that with the male, but still risky. Someone from the area, probably thought there was big money there, used a gun that could be connected to him. Hard to imagine anybody capable of such brutality would not have later struck again.

  • Vimia

    Vimia DC

    This case is fascinating. My initial thought was that it was a neighbor. I wonder who the sheriff suspects.

    This case is fascinating. My initial thought was that it was a neighbor. I wonder who the sheriff suspects.

  • Ann

    Ann Pennsylvania

    I think there is one perp - he is a fisherman - a loner- who just snapped - he killed them on a boat - washed off blood from boat - he was skilled at fishing had tools and knew how to use knife to decapitate head - with clean cuts. It was noted that they were frugal so maybe they over priced the boat they sold and whomever bought their boat was pissed - feels he got ripped off. He is a local man who maybe resents the wealthy northerners coming own south. Also it is not difficult to over power two old people.

    I think there is one perp - he is a fisherman - a loner- who just snapped - he killed them on a boat - washed off blood from boat - he was skilled at fishing had tools and knew how to use knife to decapitate head - with clean cuts. It was noted that they were frugal so maybe they over priced the boat they sold and whomever bought their boat was pissed - feels he got ripped off. He is a local man who maybe resents the wealthy northerners coming own south. Also it is not difficult to over power two old people.

  • Mellow

    Mellow Yelllow

    I heard Nick had such a huge man-crush on sherif Stills he had to do the whole episode without blinking cuz there wasn’t enough skin to go around...

    I heard Nick had such a huge man-crush on sherif Stills he had to do the whole episode without blinking cuz there wasn’t enough skin to go around...

  • Susan

    Susan parts unknown

    Didn't you guys say that the house was really clean and there was no blood found anywhere inside? So the guy was decapitated somewhere else? If he was killed somewhere else, why bring his body back to the house? It totally makes sense that his head was taken to hide the bullet evidence. I also think she was never meant to be found --- that was a mistake on the killers part. I think the killers wanted him to be found, but not her. She was an aside. I think he crossed someone in his past and they came for revenge. His being left like that has meaning for someone --- they are just afraid to speak about it, lest it happen to them. Very sad. I love listening to you guys. Thank you for the great episodes.

    Didn't you guys say that the house was really clean and there was no blood found anywhere inside? So the guy was decapitated somewhere else? If he was killed somewhere else, why bring his body back to the house? It totally makes sense that his head was taken to hide the bullet evidence. I also think she was never meant to be found --- that was a mistake on the killers part. I think the killers wanted him to be found, but not her. She was an aside. I think he crossed someone in his past and they came for revenge. His being left like that has meaning for someone --- they are just afraid to speak about it, lest it happen to them. Very sad. I love listening to you guys. Thank you for the great episodes.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Unfortunately - I think "they" - 3 guys took Shirley for ransom purposes... She's forced to lay down on a boat - while radios are used to communicate between the boat and the house. Russell is hands over a few thousand dollars cash that was somewhere in the house. Then he fights back once he realizes even if he gave them what they wanted they never intended to free the Dermonds. Russell is killed in the garage - with a single shot small caliber hand gun / that's why the house was so clean. And yes the inexperienced killers were not aware that Shirley's body would eventually rise to the top of the lake. Sad how those two good people were victimized like this. - Nic

    Unfortunately - I think "they" - 3 guys took Shirley for ransom purposes... She's forced to lay down on a boat - while radios are used to communicate between the boat and the house. Russell is hands over a few thousand dollars cash that was somewhere in the house. Then he fights back once he realizes even if he gave them what they wanted they never intended to free the Dermonds. Russell is killed in the garage - with a single shot small caliber hand gun / that's why the house was so clean. And yes the inexperienced killers were not aware that Shirley's body would eventually rise to the top of the lake.
    Sad how those two good people were victimized like this. - Nic

  • Susan

    Susan parts unknown

    I think I could agree with you more except for a few points, the main one being the crime scene was so clean and the murders were committed in such a stealthy manner. It is hard to believe that some guys would try an extort money from the unfortunate couple, and then slip away, never to try this type of crime again, or never having tried a crime like this before. One would think that they would try again several lakes or towns over, in the hopes of making a bigger score. The other hostage/extortion crimes you have researched for the show have always been done by players that made mistakes --- were sloppy, so to speak, and their sloppiness got them caught. This crime was seamless. How could anyone attempt a crime like this only once and not make a mistake? They took nothing. They slipped in, they slipped out. This crime will never be solved, the killer never caught. I still think it is about revenge. And so sad for the whole family. Please keep up the great work.

    I think I could agree with you more except for a few points, the main one being the crime scene was so clean and the murders were committed in such a stealthy manner. It is hard to believe that some guys would try an extort money from the unfortunate couple, and then slip away, never to try this type of crime again, or never having tried a crime like this before. One would think that they would try again several lakes or towns over, in the hopes of making a bigger score. The other hostage/extortion crimes you have researched for the show have always been done by players that made mistakes --- were sloppy, so to speak, and their sloppiness got them caught. This crime was seamless. How could anyone attempt a crime like this only once and not make a mistake? They took nothing. They slipped in, they slipped out. This crime will never be solved, the killer never caught. I still think it is about revenge. And so sad for the whole family. Please keep up the great work.

  • Abigail

    Abigail Cuyahoga Falls

    I liked Captain's thought and others about the head being removed to hide the bullet evidence, but I did wonder - is it possible Russell was killed first and his head then removed and, as horrifying as it is, shown to Shirley to show they were serious and attempt to get her to negotiate or get whatever it is they were after? Maybe I've watched too many crime shows (I have), but the removal of the head just seems to mean something more. This is an incredibly sad one, but I thought you guys did a fantastic job with it. Go ahead, Nic - I appreciated the profile you shared on the suspects.

    I liked Captain's thought and others about the head being removed to hide the bullet evidence, but I did wonder - is it possible Russell was killed first and his head then removed and, as horrifying as it is, shown to Shirley to show they were serious and attempt to get her to negotiate or get whatever it is they were after? Maybe I've watched too many crime shows (I have), but the removal of the head just seems to mean something more.

    This is an incredibly sad one, but I thought you guys did a fantastic job with it. Go ahead, Nic - I appreciated the profile you shared on the suspects.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thanks Abigail! Nic

    Thanks Abigail!
    Nic

  • Isabelle

    Isabelle Germany

    I want to emphasize that the killer did take something the wife and the head..

    I want to emphasize that the killer did take something the wife and the head..

  • Leyla

    Leyla Parts Unknown

    Nic, Captain, love you guys but I do have to take issue with your comments about victims of crime “fighting back.” You two gentlemen are, what, in your mid-thirties to early forties? Of average to above average height and fairly physically fit? Do you know how intimidating it can be for a woman or person who is a lot smaller than her assailant to “fight back”? How it could seem like David vs Goliath and being so paralyzed in the moment and thinking that he/they could so easily strike you down with as little effort as swatting at a gnat? I believe you guys are good men and mean well but just thought I’d add my two cents as someone who’s been in one of those situations.

    Nic, Captain, love you guys but I do have to take issue with your comments about victims of crime “fighting back.”

    You two gentlemen are, what, in your mid-thirties to early forties? Of average to above average height and fairly physically fit?

    Do you know how intimidating it can be for a woman or person who is a lot smaller than her assailant to “fight back”? How it could seem like David vs Goliath and being so paralyzed in the moment and thinking that he/they could so easily strike you down with as little effort as swatting at a gnat?

    I believe you guys are good men and mean well but just thought I’d add my two cents as someone who’s been in one of those situations.

  • Shara

    Shara Cbus

    Have they given thought to a revenge strike against one of their kids? This is the second podcast I have heard discuss this case...at first I thought maybe home invasion, but how intricate it is...no fingerprints, the body(s) placement, no sign of struggle, nothing stolen...this was a personal killing. To decapitate someone, the person is usually raging or psychotic.

    Have they given thought to a revenge strike against one of their kids? This is the second podcast I have heard discuss this case...at first I thought maybe home invasion, but how intricate it is...no fingerprints, the body(s) placement, no sign of struggle, nothing stolen...this was a personal killing. To decapitate someone, the person is usually raging or psychotic.

  • Charlie

    Charlie Pittsburgh

    Here's what I think. They kidnapped her to extort him, upon confronting Russell about it, he tells them till go blow dicks, they get mad and shoot him. Dump her body.

    Here's what I think. They kidnapped her to extort him, upon confronting Russell about it, he tells them till go blow dicks, they get mad and shoot him. Dump her body.

  • Dixxie

    Dixxie Down South

    I think the Sheriff has a pretty good idea of who "could be" involved, there is just not enough evidence.

    I think the Sheriff has a pretty good idea of who "could be" involved, there is just not enough evidence.

  • Marshall Dillon

    Marshall Dillon

    God I hope Russell got a good shot in on one of those pussies.

    God I hope Russell got a good shot in on one of those pussies.

  • JC

    JC Florida

    I got stuck on one of the first pieces of information in this terrible case. Where did the towels come from in the garage that were used to keep blood from seeping out of the garage door. Did thy belong to the couple or were they brought by the killer/s?!? This could narrow down a lot of these theories.

    I got stuck on one of the first pieces of information in this terrible case. Where did the towels come from in the garage that were used to keep blood from seeping out of the garage door. Did thy belong to the couple or were they brought by the killer/s?!? This could narrow down a lot of these theories.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    What I found is the towels came from inside the house. They were the Dermonds and I believe the came from the nearest bathroom. Nic

    What I found is the towels came from inside the house. They were the Dermonds and I believe the came from the nearest bathroom.
    Nic

  • Dan taylor

    Dan taylor Arkansas

    Please God let this podcast mean that Captain is no longer on the show he makes the most pointless remarks and interrupts the main guy ...captain always seems to Just interrupt by some stupid comment whether it's piece of shit or ejaculation or some other form of profanity.. he is a ex drug user who has no brain cells left I'm so glad he is replaced

    Please God let this podcast mean that Captain is no longer on the show he makes the most pointless remarks and interrupts the main guy ...captain always seems to Just interrupt by some stupid comment whether it's piece of shit or ejaculation or some other form of profanity.. he is a ex drug user who has no brain cells left I'm so glad he is replaced

  • Beth

    Beth Colorado

    Has anyone floated the idea that this was about the cop/sheriff- someone that saw the sheriff as an enemy or even just a challenge. This cop seems to have never had an unsolved murder before, he seems very good at his job and put lots of “bad guys” behind bars. Perhaps this was some person from his past or just someone that saw him as a challenge. A way to “flip him the bird” -a “catch me if you can.”

    Has anyone floated the idea that this was about the cop/sheriff- someone that saw the sheriff as an enemy or even just a challenge. This cop seems to have never had an unsolved murder before, he seems very good at his job and put lots of “bad guys” behind bars. Perhaps this was some person from his past or just someone that saw him as a challenge. A way to “flip him the bird” -a “catch me if you can.”

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    with a case this strange - anything is possible. I'm praying for a new lead. Whoever committed these murders is a very dangerous and evil individual. - Nic

    with a case this strange - anything is possible. I'm praying for a new lead. Whoever committed these murders is a very dangerous and evil individual.
    - Nic

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