Sandy Hook /// Episode 79 & 80

Sandy Hook ////// 79 

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It didn't start with Columbine but if you ask people my age that's the first School massacre that we remember and you hate to force yourself to rank these tragedies but Sandy Hook certainly is one of the worst. These stories are becoming a common occurence. We won't say it out loud but we are becoming numb to these horrible events. We use to kiss our kids and send them off hoping they would learn something and make us proud but these days we kiss our kids and hope that they come back. Once we shake off the shock and try to comprehend these tragic stories we must know why. We seek out to answer every question one can think of but even after we have done so, we are still confused. We have to blame someone, that part is easy as usually the guilty party is found close to his victims with a bullet in his head. But that's just not enough. That's not good enough. Because kids are not supposed to die, parents are not supposed to bury their children and children and young adults are supposed to have many exciting things to look forward to in their lives to ever think or consider carrying out these plans that end lives, ruin families, destroy communities and break the hearts of a nation. Why?Is the problem our gun control laws? Is the problem mind altering pharmaceuticals treating our troubled youth? Or is it the bullies? We may never know. 

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55 comments

  • lawbster

    lawbster Dubai

    Brilliant episode. Gives a thoughtful and detailed lead-up to this tragedy. I would also recommend Lionel Shriver's book We need to talk about Kevin - fiction but good read. Living in the UK at the time of the Dunblane massacre, the Sandy Hook shooting brought back many painful memories, unfortunately the US reaction was as it was. Love the pod, keep up the great work!

    Brilliant episode. Gives a thoughtful and detailed lead-up to this tragedy. I would also recommend Lionel Shriver's book We need to talk about Kevin - fiction but good read. Living in the UK at the time of the Dunblane massacre, the Sandy Hook shooting brought back many painful memories, unfortunately the US reaction was as it was. Love the pod, keep up the great work!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thank you Lawbster! Part two is coming out tonight. Cheers, Nic

    Thank you Lawbster! Part two is coming out tonight.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Hamlin

    Hamlin Seattle

    While I love the show, I gotta say, Lanza's video game obsession included a lot of far-less ominous focuses, including his obsession with Dance-Dance Revolution (possibly in the only video that exists of him- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHfNBSYKVXw), as well, I was surprised the "Trevor the Chimpanzee" call wasn't brought up (audio here- https://youtu.be/wLHCuzW3-uA), which can sort of be seen in retrospective as a tangential manifesto by him about his frustration with his family and his identification with a violent animal. Don't blame you guys for not including it as it's already a fantastically detailed episode and narrative of Adam's life, but just wanted to leave them here in case anybody is interested in video/audio of this very sick [and objectively evil] man.

    While I love the show, I gotta say, Lanza's video game obsession included a lot of far-less ominous focuses, including his obsession with Dance-Dance Revolution (possibly in the only video that exists of him- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHfNBSYKVXw), as well, I was surprised the "Trevor the Chimpanzee" call wasn't brought up (audio here- https://youtu.be/wLHCuzW3-uA), which can sort of be seen in retrospective as a tangential manifesto by him about his frustration with his family and his identification with a violent animal. Don't blame you guys for not including it as it's already a fantastically detailed episode and narrative of Adam's life, but just wanted to leave them here in case anybody is interested in video/audio of this very sick [and objectively evil] man.

  • Shell

    Shell Cincinnati

    Thank you for working so hard on this case. I don't want to get political but there is a devastating need in this country for better mental healthcare and resources regarding Autism and Aspergers. I am the stepmother of a 16 year old Autistic child. As a family we contribute to his education and health but it can be so very difficult. On one plane he is a extremely smart kid but he lacks communication, the motivation to participate with groups, and the understanding and empathy other children his age may have. At this point in life I cannot imagine a time when he will live unsupervised. He goes through months at a time when he doesn't even want to interact with his parents. And as you can't make a horse drink at the watering hole you can't make a 16 year old Autistic boy enjoy spending time with his parents. As I listened to the 1st half I heard my step son being described. The difference is only that my boy probably communicates less (would never join an AV club), he doesn't play violent video games, and all his drawings are creative and happy (aka. not death). The stress this condition brings to a family is very high and I really do feel for his mother Nancy. Probably as much sympathy as I do for the tragedy that happens after her death. Truly sad case.

    Thank you for working so hard on this case. I don't want to get political but there is a devastating need in this country for better mental healthcare and resources regarding Autism and Aspergers. I am the stepmother of a 16 year old Autistic child. As a family we contribute to his education and health but it can be so very difficult. On one plane he is a extremely smart kid but he lacks communication, the motivation to participate with groups, and the understanding and empathy other children his age may have. At this point in life I cannot imagine a time when he will live unsupervised. He goes through months at a time when he doesn't even want to interact with his parents. And as you can't make a horse drink at the watering hole you can't make a 16 year old Autistic boy enjoy spending time with his parents. As I listened to the 1st half I heard my step son being described. The difference is only that my boy probably communicates less (would never join an AV club), he doesn't play violent video games, and all his drawings are creative and happy (aka. not death). The stress this condition brings to a family is very high and I really do feel for his mother Nancy. Probably as much sympathy as I do for the tragedy that happens after her death. Truly sad case.

  • Heather

    Heather Pottstown, PA

    Great episode, but I just wanted to touch on your comments regarding Nancy's treatment of Adam- specifically when you were talking about Adam getting his hair cut. Most people with Asperger's, and autism, do not speak, especially to strangers. I wouldn't call Nancy a "helicopter mom." She most likely needed to guide Adam where to sit and what to do, as he wouldn't know to do it on his own. People with Asperger's like structure and specific instructions. They need to be verbally told and sometimes physically shown what to do and how to act. They also would not be good at small talk, which sounds like the barber was trying to do.

    Great episode, but I just wanted to touch on your comments regarding Nancy's treatment of Adam- specifically when you were talking about Adam getting his hair cut. Most people with Asperger's, and autism, do not speak, especially to strangers. I wouldn't call Nancy a "helicopter mom." She most likely needed to guide Adam where to sit and what to do, as he wouldn't know to do it on his own. People with Asperger's like structure and specific instructions. They need to be verbally told and sometimes physically shown what to do and how to act. They also would not be good at small talk, which sounds like the barber was trying to do.

  • Bea

    Bea Washington

    You keep saying that his researching of mass killers was a red flag. I find it ironic that you would do this, considering how all your fans and you two yourselves have an interest in true crime. I'm sure I'm not the only listener who has gone down the rabbit hole on a serial killer's Wikipedia page, or knows a bit too much about their favorite case. Perhaps you should clarify. Did he idolize mass shooters rather than have an interest in them? \ Great podcast.

    You keep saying that his researching of mass killers was a red flag. I find it ironic that you would do this, considering how all your fans and you two yourselves have an interest in true crime. I'm sure I'm not the only listener who has gone down the rabbit hole on a serial killer's Wikipedia page, or knows a bit too much about their favorite case. Perhaps you should clarify. Did he idolize mass shooters rather than have an interest in them? \

    Great podcast.

  • Marvin

    Marvin Philippines

    Love your show. Love listening to you two talk while working! Question, do you have any comments about the conspiracy theory that Nancy Lanza is alive and well and going under the name Annie Haddad?

    Love your show. Love listening to you two talk while working!

    Question, do you have any comments about the conspiracy theory that Nancy Lanza is alive and well and going under the name Annie Haddad?

  • Zoe Ciccarelli

    Zoe Ciccarelli Edmonton, Canada

    Ok, so this whole affair has been really difficult for me to learn about personally, as my son is autistic, and it hits very close to home. I have always felt like I am personally being attacked, when people bring up Newtown, and Adam Lanza's autism. That said, Nic and the Captain, you delivered this information in such a concise and gentle manner, and I adore you both, for it. Now, my two cents lol. Nobody has any business thinking it's Nancy's fault, in any way, shape, or form. Dealing with autism, even "high functioning" autism, is so draining. The fact that she did it, by herself, with no respite... The woman was a saint. Any autism parent will say if you find something they're interested in, keep doing it. It gives a much needed break from the melt downs, and daily struggles. It's not as though she handed him a gun, and said go for it. She took him for training. She did it with him. It was a bonding experience for them. The video games, that's something I personally can attest to. They are necessary. Violence is not necessarily something that goes along with the autism territory, so if he wasn't a particularly violent kid, she probably would have had no inkling that he would do this. The only thing she could be faulted for, at all, is that when she started becoming concerned about his behavior, she should have taken added precautions with the weaponry, but I don't t And, I'm not a doctor, but I've seen the melt downs, my guess is the impending move was the trigger. On a personal level, I've seen how my son reacts to minor changes, I could only imagine a major one. I haven't listened to part 2, yet.

    Ok, so this whole affair has been really difficult for me to learn about personally, as my son is autistic, and it hits very close to home. I have always felt like I am personally being attacked, when people bring up Newtown, and Adam Lanza's autism. That said, Nic and the Captain, you delivered this information in such a concise and gentle manner, and I adore you both, for it.

    Now, my two cents lol. Nobody has any business thinking it's Nancy's fault, in any way, shape, or form. Dealing with autism, even "high functioning" autism, is so draining. The fact that she did it, by herself, with no respite... The woman was a saint. Any autism parent will say if you find something they're interested in, keep doing it. It gives a much needed break from the melt downs, and daily struggles. It's not as though she handed him a gun, and said go for it. She took him for training. She did it with him. It was a bonding experience for them. The video games, that's something I personally can attest to. They are necessary. Violence is not necessarily something that goes along with the autism territory, so if he wasn't a particularly violent kid, she probably would have had no inkling that he would do this. The only thing she could be faulted for, at all, is that when she started becoming concerned about his behavior, she should have taken added precautions with the weaponry, but I don't t And, I'm not a doctor, but I've seen the melt downs, my guess is the impending move was the trigger. On a personal level, I've seen how my son reacts to minor changes, I could only imagine a major one.

    I haven't listened to part 2, yet.

  • Ann

    Ann California

    I really appreciate the way you two report on these stories. I think your show and the Gen Why Podcast are very respectful towards the victims and victims families of the tragedies you report on and it's very refreshing. Thank you for being thoughtful human beings.

    I really appreciate the way you two report on these stories. I think your show and the Gen Why Podcast are very respectful towards the victims and victims families of the tragedies you report on and it's very refreshing. Thank you for being thoughtful human beings.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Dear Shell, Thanks for sharing with us. Even though your son doesn't always wish to communicate I feel that he knows that he is loved. Keep up the good work. It's strong families like yours that should inspire us all. Cheers, Nic

    Dear Shell,
    Thanks for sharing with us. Even though your son doesn't always wish to communicate I feel that he knows that he is loved. Keep up the good work. It's strong families like yours that should inspire us all.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Bea of course I see your point. I'm very much the prime example of such. However Adam's research was certainly hyper focused of course this is most likely due to his asperger's. But I also feel that as he was not able to connect with people outside of his room and basement, I think in some strange way he connected and identified with these mass shooters. 9 point font and a spread sheet 7 foot long and 4 foot wide. That's intense. Thank you Bea! Cheers, Nic

    Bea of course I see your point. I'm very much the prime example of such. However Adam's research was certainly hyper focused of course this is most likely due to his asperger's. But I also feel that as he was not able to connect with people outside of his room and basement, I think in some strange way he connected and identified with these mass shooters. 9 point font and a spread sheet 7 foot long and 4 foot wide. That's intense. Thank you Bea!
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Marvin, I saw the videos they two look very much alike. I however didnt find any of the conspiracy theories to hold much weight, including this one. They do look disturbingly alike though. Cheers my friend! Nic

    Marvin,
    I saw the videos they two look very much alike. I however didnt find any of the conspiracy theories to hold much weight, including this one.
    They do look disturbingly alike though.
    Cheers my friend!
    Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thanks Zoe for the insight! This is a tough case no matter how it is sliced. I do think Nancy tried very, very hard to help her son enjoy life, feel loved and safe. I really do think she should have sought more help for him rather than do so much of the heavy lifting herself. Take care, Nic

    Thanks Zoe for the insight!
    This is a tough case no matter how it is sliced. I do think Nancy tried very, very hard to help her son enjoy life, feel loved and safe. I really do think she should have sought more help for him rather than do so much of the heavy lifting herself.
    Take care,
    Nic

  • JB

    JB Minnesota

    Was he in any kind of therapy ? They had the financial resources for this did they not ? Was he medicated at all or ever formally diagnosed with comorbid conditions ? Was the mother ever treated for mental health issues ? The dual isolation seems to be a huge factor as she was isolating as well. Did any of the mental services in the schools have comments about this case? I am a high school teacher and the seeming lack of intervention is alarming to me. Thanks for the podcast. I could only listen to part 1.

    Was he in any kind of therapy ? They had the financial resources for this did they not ? Was he medicated at all or ever formally diagnosed with comorbid conditions ? Was the mother ever treated for mental health issues ? The dual isolation seems to be a huge factor as she was isolating as well. Did any of the mental services in the schools have comments about this case? I am a high school teacher and the seeming lack of intervention is alarming to me. Thanks for the podcast. I could only listen to part 1.

  • Tom

    Tom Philadelphia

    I think that there are definitely some conspiracy theories surrounding these events that are far out there and obviously reaching to make their points, but I also think that there are some pretty legitimate questions that a simple disclosure of evidence would help quash. I do not mean to offend, I know this is a polarizing topic and I don't want to be THAT guy. I love the work you guys do. Please never stop.

    I think that there are definitely some conspiracy theories surrounding these events that are far out there and obviously reaching to make their points, but I also think that there are some pretty legitimate questions that a simple disclosure of evidence would help quash. I do not mean to offend, I know this is a polarizing topic and I don't want to be THAT guy. I love the work you guys do. Please never stop.

  • Dustin

    Dustin San Diego

    When I first learned that TCG (that's you!) was going to discuss Sandy Hook with a two-parter, my first reaction was one of apprehension, not sure I wanted to subject myself to such a horrible case. I knew he topic would be depressing. However, Nic & the Captain did such an amazing job detangling an emotional event, and laid fairly plain, the characters and events that ensued. Perhaps, this was TCG's most sobering entry to date, yet executed with reverence and respect for the victims and the community they left behind. I say '5 out of 5 bottle caps' and I would like to see a total of 10 bottle caps on the garage floor, since the two of you should drink a 6 pack each to ease the pain of production. Nice work to everyone involved.

    When I first learned that TCG (that's you!) was going to discuss Sandy Hook with a two-parter, my first reaction was one of apprehension, not sure I wanted to subject myself to such a horrible case. I knew he topic would be depressing. However, Nic & the Captain did such an amazing job detangling an emotional event, and laid fairly plain, the characters and events that ensued. Perhaps, this was TCG's most sobering entry to date, yet executed with reverence and respect for the victims and the community they left behind. I say '5 out of 5 bottle caps' and I would like to see a total of 10 bottle caps on the garage floor, since the two of you should drink a 6 pack each to ease the pain of production. Nice work to everyone involved.

  • Victoria

    Victoria Ohio

    I really enjoy listening to you two every week. I enjoy listening to your views. However, while listening to this episode I found myself disagreeing with you. When you said (his mom had a gut feeling and she should've followed through with that more and got help for her son). When you're dealing with the mental health system you are told so many times not just by mental health providers but by police officers that until they do something drastic there's nothing they can do. You can see the signs, you can go get counseling, try and get them the help that they need. However, majority of the time they need more in depth treatment that insurance doesn't cover or can only be provided through a state system that has specialized programs. But, to utilize the state system programs you would have to have done something to be put into the system to get that help. Like being arrested. I believe our mental health system in the United States needs a lot of work. Too many families are not getting the help they need for their children because of a lot of red tape. It seems like this mom cared for her son a lot and what he did was horrific, a nightmare that should never had happened. I think that the system let this family down., and because of that this tragedy happened. I work with children who have emotional disabilities and I can honestly say there are too many barriers in the way for parents when they try to get the right mental health services for their children.

    I really enjoy listening to you two every week. I enjoy listening to your views. However, while listening to this episode I found myself disagreeing with you. When you said (his mom had a gut feeling and she should've followed through with that more and got help for her son). When you're dealing with the mental health system you are told so many times not just by mental health providers but by police officers that until they do something drastic there's nothing they can do. You can see the signs, you can go get counseling, try and get them the help that they need. However, majority of the time they need more in depth treatment that insurance doesn't cover or can only be provided through a state system that has specialized programs. But, to utilize the state system programs you would have to have done something to be put into the system to get that help. Like being arrested. I believe our mental health system in the United States needs a lot of work. Too many families are not getting the help they need for their children because of a lot of red tape. It seems like this mom cared for her son a lot and what he did was horrific, a nightmare that should never had happened. I think that the system let this family down., and because of that this tragedy happened. I work with children who have emotional disabilities and I can honestly say there are too many barriers in the way for parents when they try to get the right mental health services for their children.

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    True Crime Garage

    Thanks Dustin and there is only the two of us in garage. Cheers, Nic

    Thanks Dustin and there is only the two of us in garage.
    Cheers, Nic

  • Ian

    Ian Illinois

    I really enjoy your podcast and listen to every episode. It is clear the two of you do your research and try to present the information you discover in a professional manner. However, I can get over the fact that the Captain makes fun of Adam Lanza's that rings of what type of bullying might have happened to him. I think that it adds nothing to the podcast and seems hypocritical when he preaches against bullying in school earlier in the episode/series. Also, Nic has a voice that is perfect for radio but I can't get over the pronunciation errors such as drawling instead of drawing. I know this comment will come off as negative but dispute these personal annoyances I will still support and listen to your podcast. I hope this is constructive criticism. Regards, Ian

    I really enjoy your podcast and listen to every episode. It is clear the two of you do your research and try to present the information you discover in a professional manner. However, I can get over the fact that the Captain makes fun of Adam Lanza's that rings of what type of bullying might have happened to him. I think that it adds nothing to the podcast and seems hypocritical when he preaches against bullying in school earlier in the episode/series. Also, Nic has a voice that is perfect for radio but I can't get over the pronunciation errors such as drawling instead of drawing.

    I know this comment will come off as negative but dispute these personal annoyances I will still support and listen to your podcast. I hope this is constructive criticism.

    Regards,

    Ian

  • Sunny

    Sunny Canada

    I always enjoy this podcast. This is an especially difficult case for all the reasons you discussed and I think you did it justice. I agree with Victoria's comment re: mental health services and how they are in dire need of improvement. The same is true here in Canada. As a Canadian, we of course don't have the gun crime that the US does. It's baffling, there's really not so much difference between our two countries, but there's just something about the US gun culture. Obviously a very complicated issue that may never be fully understood. I saw someone tweet once re: Sandy Hook that the US will never have the reform in gun laws that some advocate for. If it didn't happen after the slaughter of kindergartners, then what else could possibly be worse? Surprised to hear the Captain say he's a fan of Alex Jones, yikes!

    I always enjoy this podcast. This is an especially difficult case for all the reasons you discussed and I think you did it justice. I agree with Victoria's comment re: mental health services and how they are in dire need of improvement. The same is true here in Canada. As a Canadian, we of course don't have the gun crime that the US does. It's baffling, there's really not so much difference between our two countries, but there's just something about the US gun culture. Obviously a very complicated issue that may never be fully understood. I saw someone tweet once re: Sandy Hook that the US will never have the reform in gun laws that some advocate for. If it didn't happen after the slaughter of kindergartners, then what else could possibly be worse?
    Surprised to hear the Captain say he's a fan of Alex Jones, yikes!

  • Dixie

    Dixie Alabama

    If you guys don't listen to True Murder: The Most Shocking Killers in True Crime- You may want to take a listen. They hosted the author of "The Spiral Notebook" a few weeks ago that may offer additional insight into mass shootings. That is of course if I have the correct episode.

    If you guys don't listen to True Murder: The Most Shocking Killers in True Crime- You may want to take a listen. They hosted the author of "The Spiral Notebook" a few weeks ago that may offer additional insight into mass shootings. That is of course if I have the correct episode.

  • Jen

    Jen Texas

    Just attempted to use GARAGE at check out for my sockclub.com order and it did not work.

    Just attempted to use GARAGE at check out for my sockclub.com order and it did not work.

  • Sara

    Sara Cleveland, OH

    I have to admit that I was a little nervous going into this episode due to the subject matter, but you guys did a great job with a very sad and difficult case. I remember all of the confusing and incorrect information that was being reported at the time and am glad that you guys called out the media for their role in adding to the confusion. I too wish there was more to be gained by reporting correct information and not just being the first to report anything about a given situation. My co-workers and I absolutely love your podcast, keep up the great work!

    I have to admit that I was a little nervous going into this episode due to the subject matter, but you guys did a great job with a very sad and difficult case. I remember all of the confusing and incorrect information that was being reported at the time and am glad that you guys called out the media for their role in adding to the confusion. I too wish there was more to be gained by reporting correct information and not just being the first to report anything about a given situation.

    My co-workers and I absolutely love your podcast, keep up the great work!

  • Connor

    Connor Utah

    I was curious if you did research on the weapons used. The bushmaster is not able to shoot 6 shells in a single second. It's a semi auto rifle. It will fire a singe bullet every time you pull the trigger.

    I was curious if you did research on the weapons used. The bushmaster is not able to shoot 6 shells in a single second. It's a semi auto rifle. It will fire a singe bullet every time you pull the trigger.

  • Mike

    Mike Switzerland

    Funny, nobody talks about the elephant in the room. I'm on the outside looking in (Switzerland). Now, how the hell do they get their hands on that kind of weapons? Well, it's legal. Ok. I agree and if the Constitution says so, please go for it and get your AR-15 and whatever guns you do need to "protect" yourselves. But, please, drop the hypocrisy. If anyone can buy a gun, anyone can shoot you. Strange, how elsewhere in the World, we're not killing us just as much.

    Funny, nobody talks about the elephant in the room. I'm on the outside looking in (Switzerland). Now, how the hell do they get their hands on that kind of weapons? Well, it's legal. Ok. I agree and if the Constitution says so, please go for it and get your AR-15 and whatever guns you do need to "protect" yourselves. But, please, drop the hypocrisy. If anyone can buy a gun, anyone can shoot you. Strange, how elsewhere in the World, we're not killing us just as much.

  • J-A

    J-A UK

    Hi, I have only just found this podcast and have never commented on one before but really wanted to this time. Just to tell you that I thought the way you handled this discussion and topic were very informative but respectful and thoughtful. I have also really enjoyed the dynamic of Nic and the Captain, informative yet personal, I look forward to working my way through the back catalogue. Also you probably know, but for those who don't you mentioned about the house and school being demolished and some people thinking this was strange. In the U.K it is actually common for places that have seen such horrors to be demolished, the West house, Ian Huntley's residence, Mark Bridger's and the Phillpott house to name just a few. Really great work guys

    Hi,

    I have only just found this podcast and have never commented on one before but really wanted to this time. Just to tell you that I thought the way you handled this discussion and topic were very informative but respectful and thoughtful.
    I have also really enjoyed the dynamic of Nic and the Captain, informative yet personal, I look forward to working my way through the back catalogue.

    Also you probably know, but for those who don't you mentioned about the house and school being demolished and some people thinking this was strange. In the U.K it is actually common for places that have seen such horrors to be demolished, the West house, Ian Huntley's residence, Mark Bridger's and the Phillpott house to name just a few.

    Really great work guys

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Dear Dixie, We covered the Aurora theater shooter and recommended the spiral notebook. I love true murder, great show. I'm a huge Dan Z fan but I read the book and found it better than the episode. Did you her that error at the end of the interview? Dan says goodnight and the female author unaware that her phone is still on and recording complains about the interview being too long. Cheers, Nic

    Dear Dixie,
    We covered the Aurora theater shooter and recommended the spiral notebook. I love true murder, great show. I'm a huge Dan Z fan but I read the book and found it better than the episode. Did you her that error at the end of the interview? Dan says goodnight and the female author unaware that her phone is still on and recording complains about the interview being too long.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Jen, You may want to email sock club. We just write the ads and read them. They provide us with the promo codes. Did you try www.sockclub.com/garage Cheers, Nic

    Jen,
    You may want to email sock club. We just write the ads and read them. They provide us with the promo codes. Did you try www.sockclub.com/garage

    Cheers,
    Nic

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    True Crime Garage

    Connor that's my bad - may have miss read it and reported wrong. Sorry thank you for updating us. Cheers, Nic

    Connor that's my bad - may have miss read it and reported wrong. Sorry thank you for updating us.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Lindsey

    Lindsey Lancaster, pa

    I worked with children with autism at a school specifically for them. All these signs and symptoms he should've had some type of behavior staff either after school or with him that possibly could've helped him and possibly have prevented this by seeing what he was looking at. Most of the kids I worked with lacked social skills could become aggressive at times, be sensitive to certain things, and be preservating on certain things in a drastic way. When I listen to these episodes they help me learn more about the before and see insight because I had no clue the shooter had autism. Love you guys by the way! Never listened to podcasts before you lol

    I worked with children with autism at a school specifically for them. All these signs and symptoms he should've had some type of behavior staff either after school or with him that possibly could've helped him and possibly have prevented this by seeing what he was looking at. Most of the kids I worked with lacked social skills could become aggressive at times, be sensitive to certain things, and be preservating on certain things in a drastic way. When I listen to these episodes they help me learn more about the before and see insight because I had no clue the shooter had autism. Love you guys by the way! Never listened to podcasts before you lol

  • Wb

    Wb Missouri

    I think you guys are very uneducated with asbergers, or autism. No disrespect. Most people are unless they experience it personally. You mentioned ASD. The hair cut thing may have been a fear of the clippers or scissors. Very common. The uniforms. Touch sensory could explain this. The way the fabric feels or something of that nature. The hyper focus on mass murders. Although unhealthy, tendency for autistic kids to be super focused on one item or subject is very high. I think it lead to his obsession to duplicate, but could be explained as to why he was so focused on it. Keep up good work. Loved the episode. I just encourage you to look deeper into issues like that and it could give you an idea of a meaning of weird things that don't make sense to you...

    I think you guys are very uneducated with asbergers, or autism. No disrespect. Most people are unless they experience it personally. You mentioned ASD. The hair cut thing may have been a fear of the clippers or scissors. Very common. The uniforms. Touch sensory could explain this. The way the fabric feels or something of that nature. The hyper focus on mass murders. Although unhealthy, tendency for autistic kids to be super focused on one item or subject is very high. I think it lead to his obsession to duplicate, but could be explained as to why he was so focused on it.

    Keep up good work. Loved the episode. I just encourage you to look deeper into issues like that and it could give you an idea of a meaning of weird things that don't make sense to you...

  • crystal

    crystal

    I love your podcast. I use to watch a boy who had autism. You were talking about Adam's clothes, I know with the kid I watched that he had a favorite color and thats the only color that he wanted to wear. I also know that some of the meds that the doctors put them on causes them to lose weight. Just a thought. Crystal from Pawnee Il

    I love your podcast. I use to watch a boy who had autism. You were talking about Adam's clothes, I know with the kid I watched that he had a favorite color and thats the only color that he wanted to wear. I also know that some of the meds that the doctors put them on causes them to lose weight. Just a thought.

    Crystal from Pawnee Il

  • Steph

    Steph Florida

    I enjoy your show. Your in depth discussion of Adam Lanza's life up to the tragedy at Sandy Hook is revealing. He was in steady decline or he was becoming more focused on his ultimate goal to the point of locking himself away from even his mother. You say she clearly loved her son and tried to help him, but then talk about all these things she could have or should have done. She found his drawings and his social decline disturbing and she worried. She did seek help. I have a difficult time putting blame to her for what her son did when she clearly didn't believe he could or would kill her as she slept and then go on a bloody rampage at a school. If she thought he would follow through with that kind of action, she likely would have done something to try to prevent it. It's easy for people to analyze a situation over weeks or months and say she should have done this, or that, but she lived there in that house with him. He was her son. There were other aspects at play here like her love for him and maybe denial that his deterioration would go that far. Ultimately, she paid for her faults with her life. She's a victim too.

    I enjoy your show. Your in depth discussion of Adam Lanza's life up to the tragedy at Sandy Hook is revealing. He was in steady decline or he was becoming more focused on his ultimate goal to the point of locking himself away from even his mother. You say she clearly loved her son and tried to help him, but then talk about all these things she could have or should have done. She found his drawings and his social decline disturbing and she worried. She did seek help. I have a difficult time putting blame to her for what her son did when she clearly didn't believe he could or would kill her as she slept and then go on a bloody rampage at a school. If she thought he would follow through with that kind of action, she likely would have done something to try to prevent it. It's easy for people to analyze a situation over weeks or months and say she should have done this, or that, but she lived there in that house with him. He was her son. There were other aspects at play here like her love for him and maybe denial that his deterioration would go that far. Ultimately, she paid for her faults with her life. She's a victim too.

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    Thank you WB Cheers, Nic

    Thank you WB
    Cheers,
    Nic

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    Ian • Illinois Thanks for your words and noted. Making fun of the haircut Adman's mother picked for him was probably in bad taste, I can only say that this subject was so heavy I was trying to lighten the mood a few times. Without comments like this we can't grow so thank you!! Cheers mate. Captain

    Ian • Illinois

    Thanks for your words and noted. Making fun of the haircut Adman's mother picked for him was probably in bad taste, I can only say that this subject was so heavy I was trying to lighten the mood a few times. Without comments like this we can't grow so thank you!! Cheers mate.

    Captain

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    Sunny • Canada I am not a fan of Alex just have gone down some rabbit holes with him thats it. Thanks for the support Captain

    Sunny • Canada

    I am not a fan of Alex just have gone down some rabbit holes with him thats it. Thanks for the support

    Captain

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    Ian Illinois

    Captain, Thanks for getting back to me. I think it is great how you guys interact with your fans. I understand when diving into these topics and then recording there is a lot of emotion that is released, sometimes in weird ways. I appreciate the time and commitment that you and Nic put into this podcast. You guys are great. Regards

    Captain,

    Thanks for getting back to me. I think it is great how you guys interact with your fans. I understand when diving into these topics and then recording there is a lot of emotion that is released, sometimes in weird ways.

    I appreciate the time and commitment that you and Nic put into this podcast. You guys are great.

    Regards

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    katiecakes Vermont

    Hands down the BEST podcast and omg this is the very best 2 part ever. Emotionally charged story, told in the most respectful and dignified way possible. Addressing the conspiracies and the media's utter disregard for facts in this case. BRAVO gentlemen thank you for your amazing work and my very best favorite, having a moral compass <3

    Hands down the BEST podcast and omg this is the very best 2 part ever. Emotionally charged story, told in the most respectful and dignified way possible. Addressing the conspiracies and the media's utter disregard for facts in this case. BRAVO gentlemen thank you for your amazing work and my very best favorite, having a moral compass <3

  • CK

    CK Texas

    Great episodes about Sandy Hook. Something that is mentioned briefly in one of the 911 calls--and should be emphasized in any discussion about school shootings-- is that many classroom doors can only be locked from the outside. Teachers must step out into the hallway to lock a classroom door from the outside, regardless of what is going on in that hallway. I am a retired teacher and a veteran of a school shooting.

    Great episodes about Sandy Hook. Something that is mentioned briefly in one of the 911 calls--and should be emphasized in any discussion about school shootings-- is that many classroom doors can only be locked from the outside. Teachers must step out into the hallway to lock a classroom door from the outside, regardless of what is going on in that hallway.
    I am a retired teacher and a veteran of a school shooting.

  • AB

    AB Australia

    Hi guys. Really enjoyed these episodes, though was hesitant at first due to the topic. You asked at the start of the podcast what did we think the reasons were for these things happening so much in America. They just don't seem to happen anywhere else, or if they do, it is sparingly. Most Australians don't understand the USA's fixation with guns. After our first large mass killing, we had a gun buy back and there has been only one since then. And that was over 20 years ago. Your crime figures, to us are horrendous. You had 58,000 shot last year alone, and 12,000 killed. We had 211 gun deaths total for the whole year. And most of those were gang related. I read often about people saying if they had been armed, they would have shot so and so. I think it really comes down to acceptance. America seems to be prepared to put up with massacres because they don't want their guns taken away. I don't know, it's just a different mind set. Even our cops, who are armed, don't kill any where near as many as the USA does.

    Hi guys. Really enjoyed these episodes, though was hesitant at first due to the topic. You asked at the start of the podcast what did we think the reasons were for these things happening so much in America. They just don't seem to happen anywhere else, or if they do, it is sparingly. Most Australians don't understand the USA's fixation with guns. After our first large mass killing, we had a gun buy back and there has been only one since then. And that was over 20 years ago. Your crime figures, to us are horrendous. You had 58,000 shot last year alone, and 12,000 killed. We had 211 gun deaths total for the whole year. And most of those were gang related. I read often about people saying if they had been armed, they would have shot so and so. I think it really comes down to acceptance. America seems to be prepared to put up with massacres because they don't want their guns taken away. I don't know, it's just a different mind set. Even our cops, who are armed, don't kill any where near as many as the USA does.

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    AB • Australia Thanks for your thoughts!!! Captain

    AB • Australia

    Thanks for your thoughts!!!

    Captain

  • E

    E Illinois

    Great episodes though was shocked to hear the Captain say he wanted Alex Jones to investigate this?? Isn't this the guy whose website has had such stories as: Obama Caught Running Isis, Scalia's Death Linked to Bohemian Grove, Illuminati &amp; Is Michelle Obama Transgender? Not gonna lie, if the dude can't figure out if Michelle Obama is trans or not, I'm not exactly confident he would be able to get to the bottom Sandy Hook. Surely we could find a better investigator than Mr. Jones.

    Great episodes though was shocked to hear the Captain say he wanted Alex Jones to investigate this?? Isn't this the guy whose website has had such stories as: Obama Caught Running Isis, Scalia's Death Linked to Bohemian Grove, Illuminati & Is Michelle Obama Transgender? Not gonna lie, if the dude can't figure out if Michelle Obama is trans or not, I'm not exactly confident he would be able to get to the bottom Sandy Hook. Surely we could find a better investigator than Mr. Jones.

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    Trust me E, I think the Captain may have misspoke. I can't say for sure but I've known him forever and would be just as shocked as you if that is in fact what he meant to say. I cant wait to ask him inperson later this week. Cheers, Nic

    Trust me E, I think the Captain may have misspoke. I can't say for sure but I've known him forever and would be just as shocked as you if that is in fact what he meant to say. I cant wait to ask him inperson later this week.
    Cheers,
    Nic

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    E Illinois

    Thanks for the response Nic and no worries! I did see his clarification in the comments that he does not necessarily endorse Jones but has just followed him down a rabbit hole from time to time. I have no problem with that. But I do find suggesting that he lead an investigation of any sort a bit silly. It seems to make sense to choose someone with actual investigation experience imo. (I think my choice would be Joe Kenda.) Please let the Captain know I mean him no insult, he is, of course, entitled his opinion. I thank you both for helping me through the drudgery of my workday! I hope both of you keep up the fine work!

    Thanks for the response Nic and no worries! I did see his clarification in the comments that he does not necessarily endorse Jones but has just followed him down a rabbit hole from time to time. I have no problem with that. But I do find suggesting that he lead an investigation of any sort a bit silly. It seems to make sense to choose someone with actual investigation experience imo. (I think my choice would be Joe Kenda.) Please let the Captain know I mean him no insult, he is, of course, entitled his opinion. I thank you both for helping me through the drudgery of my workday! I hope both of you keep up the fine work!

  • Sal

    Sal England

    Im a huge fan of your show, so found it quite dissapointing that you bearly skimmed the surface on the inconsistencies within this case throughout; none to say the least bigger than the fact that the official government report states Adam and his mother of having no DNA liks to any items found at Sandy Hook school. There are too many to mention...I love your show but find this confusing. #weneedtotalkaboutsandyhook

    Im a huge fan of your show, so found it quite dissapointing that you bearly skimmed the surface on the inconsistencies within this case throughout; none to say the least bigger than the fact that the official government report states Adam and his mother of having no DNA liks to any items found at Sandy Hook school. There are too many to mention...I love your show but find this confusing. #weneedtotalkaboutsandyhook

  • Dave

    Dave New York

    I would like to commend you both in regards to the reporting of the Sandy Hook incident. Your commentary was dignified, measured and informative. I appreciated your candor and criticisms and felt that of all of the episodes that I have listened to thus far the synergy between the both of you has never been better. This subject was a very hard listen. Well done boys.

    I would like to commend you both in regards to the reporting of the Sandy Hook incident. Your commentary was dignified, measured and informative. I appreciated your candor and criticisms and felt that of all of the episodes that I have listened to thus far the synergy between the both of you has never been better.

    This subject was a very hard listen.

    Well done boys.

  • CK

    CK Texas

    Huge fan fellas but not your best work. There were so many details and items missing that it just kept circling and circling into a back and forth on conspiracy theories versus what we actually knew. I get it. Dont spend a lot of time on the details due to the nature of the case but I felt like there could have been so much more unless there truly was not more then I am wrong and ignore me. :) Love the podcast and keep it up fellas!

    Huge fan fellas but not your best work. There were so many details and items missing that it just kept circling and circling into a back and forth on conspiracy theories versus what we actually knew. I get it. Dont spend a lot of time on the details due to the nature of the case but I felt like there could have been so much more unless there truly was not more then I am wrong and ignore me. smile

    Love the podcast and keep it up fellas!

  • Ruby

    Ruby Ohio

    I liked the background information on Adam but I feel like its pretty normal for people to study killers/mass murderers. Adam's case was a bit extreme but that's because some autistic people become experts in a certain field. For example my brother can tell you every detail about any car ever made. He knows all the mechanical stats and for the special ones he even knows how many were produced.

    I liked the background information on Adam but I feel like its pretty normal for people to study killers/mass murderers. Adam's case was a bit extreme but that's because some autistic people become experts in a certain field. For example my brother can tell you every detail about any car ever made. He knows all the mechanical stats and for the special ones he even knows how many were produced.

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    Ruby • Ohio CK • Texas Dave • New York Sal • England Thanks for the comments and the support. Captain

    Ruby • Ohio
    CK • Texas
    Dave • New York
    Sal • England

    Thanks for the comments and the support.

    Captain

  • Olivia

    Olivia Prince

    Great listen! Very informative! I want to raise awarness of Person First Language! That means saying the "boy who is handicapped" or the "boy who has autism" vs "the handicapped boy" or "the autistic boy". People are not defined by their differences or disabilities. First and foremost, they are human beings! I know people do not do this intentionally or even think of it being offensive! I have certainly made this mistake, speaking before thinking! I hope by reading this people might change their phrasing even just once! Please share! Inform the world! Here's a link for more info on person first language http://app1.unmc.edu/publicaffairs/todaysite/sitefiles/today_full.cfm?match=6261

    Great listen! Very informative! I want to raise awarness of Person First Language! That means saying the "boy who is handicapped" or the "boy who has autism" vs "the handicapped boy" or "the autistic boy". People are not defined by their differences or disabilities. First and foremost, they are human beings! I know people do not do this intentionally or even think of it being offensive! I have certainly made this mistake, speaking before thinking! I hope by reading this people might change their phrasing even just once! Please share! Inform the world!

    Here's a link for more info on person first language

    http://app1.unmc.edu/publicaffairs/todaysite/sitefiles/today_full.cfm?match=6261

  • steve

    steve boca raton

    First off great podcast, I'm glad I found it. Now I have a few comments 1. An article in an online posting from back when the shooting happened, may have been daily mail.co.uk, mentions the girlfriend and her mother being missing. But they assign the girlfriend to Ryan Lanza, not Adam. As Ryan was first identified as the shooter. 2. The gun Adam Lanza killed his mother with was a .22 caliber rifle, not a "High Power" rifle as was mentioned in the show. A .22 rifle shoots just over the speed of most modern pellet guns, just with a larger projectile. This bullet is also known for being so low power that once it enters a human skull it bounces around instead of exiting. This would completely explain the lack of blood on the wall in her bedroom. 3. I have not read the details or coroners report or where ever this info would be, but how were the victims shot? The hoax crowd loves to point out no bodies, and empty staging area, and only a few children actually taken to the hospital, even the fact that no children were treated. We know the victims were shot multiple times with a .223. Without being too gross or detailed, skip this if squeemish, but if those victims, 6 and 7 years old, maybe 50/60lb individuals, took numerous .223 rounds to the body and head, it would be more than clear that there was no rescue. The type of damage would be more that horrific. there would be no need for ambulances, transportation outside, or any of that. Just a thought

    First off great podcast, I'm glad I found it.
    Now I have a few comments
    1. An article in an online posting from back when the shooting happened, may have been daily mail.co.uk, mentions the girlfriend and her mother being missing. But they assign the girlfriend to Ryan Lanza, not Adam. As Ryan was first identified as the shooter.
    2. The gun Adam Lanza killed his mother with was a .22 caliber rifle, not a "High Power" rifle as was mentioned in the show. A .22 rifle shoots just over the speed of most modern pellet guns, just with a larger projectile. This bullet is also known for being so low power that once it enters a human skull it bounces around instead of exiting. This would completely explain the lack of blood on the wall in her bedroom.
    3. I have not read the details or coroners report or where ever this info would be, but how were the victims shot? The hoax crowd loves to point out no bodies, and empty staging area, and only a few children actually taken to the hospital, even the fact that no children were treated. We know the victims were shot multiple times with a .223. Without being too gross or detailed, skip this if squeemish, but if those victims, 6 and 7 years old, maybe 50/60lb individuals, took numerous .223 rounds to the body and head, it would be more than clear that there was no rescue. The type of damage would be more that horrific. there would be no need for ambulances, transportation outside, or any of that.
    Just a thought

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    Regarding the girlfriend thing- that was reported both ways using both Adam and Ryan's names. As for the details of the shooting people can find that in books or on the web. We are not squeemish here, just classy. We felt no need to discuss the details of the mass shooting of very young children. The hoax crowd can go fly a kite. Nic

    Regarding the girlfriend thing- that was reported both ways using both Adam and Ryan's names.
    As for the details of the shooting people can find that in books or on the web. We are not squeemish here, just classy. We felt no need to discuss the details of the mass shooting of very young children. The hoax crowd can go fly a kite.
    Nic

  • Laura

    Laura Scotland

    Hello, thank you for dealing with this issue so sensitively. I totally agree with you that it is all about learning and hopefully preventing. I'm from Dunblane in Scotland, the mass shooting in our primary school (mainly 5-11 year olds) was and is still devastating. Thank you very much for all your hard work.

    Hello, thank you for dealing with this issue so sensitively. I totally agree with you that it is all about learning and hopefully preventing. I'm from Dunblane in Scotland, the mass shooting in our primary school (mainly 5-11 year olds) was and is still devastating. Thank you very much for all your hard work.

  • Christina

    Christina

    Hi! I'm a new listener but I love the podcast. I know the Sandy Hook episode aired a while ago but I just wanted to offer this link: http://jaapl.org/content/38/1/87. The Sandy Hook massacre was so devastating to me, I became kind of obsessed w/ figuring out what exactly happens to a person to make them do what Adam Lanza did. I came across this paper somewhere around the time it happened. The author does the best job I've ever seen of profiling the type of person who goes on a rage massacre &amp; explaining motive. He uses the term "psuedocommando" to refer to the perpetrators of these crimes and explains what a "psuedocommando" is. It's the only thing that has ever made me understand how these people see their lives/the world and why they end up committing such drastic, terrifying acts. I can't recommend it enough.

    Hi! I'm a new listener but I love the podcast. I know the Sandy Hook episode aired a while ago but I just wanted to offer this link: http://jaapl.org/content/38/1/87. The Sandy Hook massacre was so devastating to me, I became kind of obsessed w/ figuring out what exactly happens to a person to make them do what Adam Lanza did. I came across this paper somewhere around the time it happened. The author does the best job I've ever seen of profiling the type of person who goes on a rage massacre & explaining motive. He uses the term "psuedocommando" to refer to the perpetrators of these crimes and explains what a "psuedocommando" is. It's the only thing that has ever made me understand how these people see their lives/the world and why they end up committing such drastic, terrifying acts. I can't recommend it enough.

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    Kimi Snoqualmie, WA

    I'm fairly new to your podcast and have been going on reverse order listening to your podcasts. Today I was listening to this episode on Sandy Hook. Seems normal right? Here's where it gets creepy. Listening to this podcast and scrolling through Facebook and I read that a Grandma in Everett found her grandson's journal that detailed his plans of a school shooting at an Everett High School. Shw contacted

    I'm fairly new to your podcast and have been going on reverse order listening to your podcasts. Today I was listening to this episode on Sandy Hook. Seems normal right? Here's where it gets creepy.

    Listening to this podcast and scrolling through Facebook and I read that a Grandma in Everett found her grandson's journal that detailed his plans of a school shooting at an Everett High School. Shw contacted

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