Sherri Papini /// 335 /// 336

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  • KSM

    KSM Baton Rouge

    I love this show soooo very much but I just want to be honest and give y’all constructive feedback. I hope this is not another mystery. The Brandon S. series was exhausting to get through and really didn’t deserve a 3 part series. Lots of repetitive content, questions and just overall boring. I hate to use that word when we’re talking about a person and I truly feel for his parents. I just need yall to do better moving forward.

    I love this show soooo very much but I just want to be honest and give y’all constructive feedback. I hope this is not another mystery. The Brandon S. series was exhausting to get through and really didn’t deserve a 3 part series. Lots of repetitive content, questions and just overall boring. I hate to use that word when we’re talking about a person and I truly feel for his parents. I just need yall to do better moving forward.

  • Bjarne Schjerning

    Bjarne Schjerning Denmark

    This case made me curious, so i googled it. What a strange case. Can't wait for your next podcast. I am a big fan of True crime garage. Your beer button is 1.00 dollar. Its one dollar?

    This case made me curious, so i googled it. What a strange case.
    Can't wait for your next podcast.
    I am a big fan of True crime garage.
    Your beer button is 1.00 dollar. Its one dollar?

  • Bren hope

    Bren hope Maryland

    How can I find Sherri Papini ///Part 2

    How can I find Sherri Papini ///Part 2

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    At Bren - it comes out today around noon. Thanks Nic

    At Bren - it comes out today around noon.
    Thanks Nic

  • Suzanne

    Suzanne Parts unknown

    Very excited for this case. I remember when this happened and it seemed so bizarre. I had then sort of forgot about it. Thanks guys for all your hard work!

    Very excited for this case. I remember when this happened and it seemed so bizarre. I had then sort of forgot about it. Thanks guys for all your hard work!

  • RACHEL

    RACHEL O-H-I-O

    More office references please!!!!! Also, I am unfamiliar with this case, but just a thought on the husband's 911 call: I didn't notice anything peculiar on the phone call. I admittedly don't know anything about his typical mannerisms, but what I heard in the call was someone who was trying to remain calm and be informative so that he was taken seriously by the dispatcher. And seriously in the sense that he wanted to be met with action and not apathy because he was concerned for his wife. If this call was maybe 20 years ago it would have been a bit strange perhaps. But in 2016, true crime shows and podcasts were very much a part of our culture and consciousness. I would be willing to bet that he was influenced to some degree by the media(fiction and non-fiction) coverage of missing persons and crime, and used that information consciously or subconsciously to place that 911 call. I hear him in a few places breathing out heavily. This is the body's way of calming itself and slowing your heart beat. I think he was more upset than his voice conveys. And if you are wanting to feign innocence or shock, that is actually the exact opposite of what you would sound like. Someone who wanted to use a recorded 911 line to establish an anti guilt alibi, would most likely be a drama queen and over the top when it comes to their phone call, a la Michael Peterson. Just my two cents :)

    More office references please!!!!! Also, I am unfamiliar with this case, but just a thought on the husband's 911 call: I didn't notice anything peculiar on the phone call. I admittedly don't know anything about his typical mannerisms, but what I heard in the call was someone who was trying to remain calm and be informative so that he was taken seriously by the dispatcher. And seriously in the sense that he wanted to be met with action and not apathy because he was concerned for his wife. If this call was maybe 20 years ago it would have been a bit strange perhaps. But in 2016, true crime shows and podcasts were very much a part of our culture and consciousness. I would be willing to bet that he was influenced to some degree by the media(fiction and non-fiction) coverage of missing persons and crime, and used that information consciously or subconsciously to place that 911 call. I hear him in a few places breathing out heavily. This is the body's way of calming itself and slowing your heart beat. I think he was more upset than his voice conveys. And if you are wanting to feign innocence or shock, that is actually the exact opposite of what you would sound like. Someone who wanted to use a recorded 911 line to establish an anti guilt alibi, would most likely be a drama queen and over the top when it comes to their phone call, a la Michael Peterson. Just my two cents smile

  • Jason

    Jason NC

    Looking forward to part 2. As of now doesn't seem like there is much here but I lean towards abduction. Quick thought on the phone/ headphones and how they almost appear to be placed. A lot of running wear doesn't have pockets. Possible she wasn't wearing the headphones and could have just been carrying it in her hand either on the way to a run or on her way back and was ambushed. Maybe knelt down to tie her shoes and she is the one that placed the phone on the ground before being abducted. Or could have been lured in with the disguise of needing help, laid the phone down and was grabbed or held up. Just a thought, doesn't point to or change anything Cheers

    Looking forward to part 2. As of now doesn't seem like there is much here but I lean towards abduction. Quick thought on the phone/ headphones and how they almost appear to be placed. A lot of running wear doesn't have pockets. Possible she wasn't wearing the headphones and could have just been carrying it in her hand either on the way to a run or on her way back and was ambushed. Maybe knelt down to tie her shoes and she is the one that placed the phone on the ground before being abducted. Or could have been lured in with the disguise of needing help, laid the phone down and was grabbed or held up. Just a thought, doesn't point to or change anything

    Cheers

  • Uncle D.

    Uncle D. BFE

    Here's my theory if she was out running: Human trafficking higher up dude tells these two females to go out and snatch a 14-18 year old blonde female. They snatch Sherri because from a distance and possibly from behind with her golden locks and tiny 100 lb frame she looks way younger than she is. The grab her, put her in the vehicle then take her back to the casa. They then get a good look at her and realize "Oh Caca!". She is much older than what the Boss asked for. They spend a few weeks wondering what to do and try to work out a different plan. No success. Then, they decide to let her go, because aren't really killers, they are just low level people tasked with snatching girls.

    Here's my theory if she was out running:

    Human trafficking higher up dude tells these two females to go out and snatch a 14-18 year old blonde female. They snatch Sherri because from a distance and possibly from behind with her golden locks and tiny 100 lb frame she looks way younger than she is. The grab her, put her in the vehicle then take her back to the casa. They then get a good look at her and realize "Oh Caca!". She is much older than what the Boss asked for. They spend a few weeks wondering what to do and try to work out a different plan. No success. Then, they decide to let her go, because aren't really killers, they are just low level people tasked with snatching girls.

  • Madi

    Madi Pittsburgh

    Just finished both episodes. I know there are a lot of people who think this is a hoax...I am neutral. I am not leaning one way more than the other. But I had a theory leaning on the side that this was NOT a hoax. Is it possible that due to Sherri's "possibly" racist past, posts, and pinterest board that she was possibly targeted? IF she was actually abducted by two latino women, I wouldn't think it would be impossible she would be targeted if some people found out that she was racist. Again, I'm not even saying this is what I think happen. .but just a theory I thought of, looking forward to hearing everyone else's thoughts!

    Just finished both episodes. I know there are a lot of people who think this is a hoax...I am neutral. I am not leaning one way more than the other. But I had a theory leaning on the side that this was NOT a hoax. Is it possible that due to Sherri's "possibly" racist past, posts, and pinterest board that she was possibly targeted? IF she was actually abducted by two latino women, I wouldn't think it would be impossible she would be targeted if some people found out that she was racist.
    Again, I'm not even saying this is what I think happen. .but just a theory I thought of, looking forward to hearing everyone else's thoughts!

  • Sabrina

    Sabrina Tampa, FL

    I don't find it odd that they and her husband mentions she just started running again, as a former runner, when we knew we had a race coming up, we trained and told people, friends we had from running. It doesn't seem odd to me that Keith says this right away, I walk in my neighborhood daily and if my husband came home and couldn't get a hold of me, and he went where I walk and saw my phone, he would be like "someone took her" probably cause I tell him about true crime a lot, and it is odd, and he knows I bring my phone and would not have just dropped it. And if there is no obvious reason why I wouldn't be home, answering, and lost my phone, its not out of the ordinary to think something happened, and abducted.

    I don't find it odd that they and her husband mentions she just started running again, as a former runner, when we knew we had a race coming up, we trained and told people, friends we had from running. It doesn't seem odd to me that Keith says this right away, I walk in my neighborhood daily and if my husband came home and couldn't get a hold of me, and he went where I walk and saw my phone, he would be like "someone took her" probably cause I tell him about true crime a lot, and it is odd, and he knows I bring my phone and would not have just dropped it. And if there is no obvious reason why I wouldn't be home, answering, and lost my phone, its not out of the ordinary to think something happened, and abducted.

  • Justin

    Justin Alpharetta, GA

    What if she was kidnapped with the purpose of being sold in human trafficking, but because she was so quickly in the national news (being discussed on Good Morning America, People Magazine, etc), the captors could no longer find a buyer... has this theory been discussed?

    What if she was kidnapped with the purpose of being sold in human trafficking, but because she was so quickly in the national news (being discussed on Good Morning America, People Magazine, etc), the captors could no longer find a buyer... has this theory been discussed?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    That’s a good angle of looking at this Justin, thanks for the post. Could the whole plan have fell apart with all of the attention? Very plausible and that would explain the branding, in my humble garage guy opinion. Cheers all and thanks for posting on the blog! We have another great case story next week and have been planning some big stuff for the Christmas season and early next year as well. Cheers Nic

    That’s a good angle of looking at this Justin, thanks for the post. Could the whole plan have fell apart with all of the attention? Very plausible and that would explain the branding, in my humble garage guy opinion.
    Cheers all and thanks for posting on the blog! We have another great case story next week and have been planning some big stuff for the Christmas season and early next year as well.
    Cheers Nic

  • James

    James Texas

    I'm with you guys. I really do believe her story, though I think some of the facts are likely mixed up because of her being likely sleep deprive, food deprived, and physically injured, plus we're hearing everything second-hand. I think it's likely that the two women kidnapped her for somebody else, or that they were just bad women who were just doing something bad. There is a lot of strange stuff in Sherris history, but that doesnt mean her story isn't true. I hate to think of the way that people would judge me if I were the victim of some crime and all my secrets were laid bare.

    I'm with you guys. I really do believe her story, though I think some of the facts are likely mixed up because of her being likely sleep deprive, food deprived, and physically injured, plus we're hearing everything second-hand.

    I think it's likely that the two women kidnapped her for somebody else, or that they were just bad women who were just doing something bad. There is a lot of strange stuff in Sherris history, but that doesnt mean her story isn't true. I hate to think of the way that people would judge me if I were the victim of some crime and all my secrets were laid bare.

  • lucia david

    lucia david portugal

    I love the show. Great voices, great research and great music. Thankyou Nic and Captain This case, since the beginning, made me think of the movie "The Joneses"2009. Sounds like a "scripted" crime... Kisses from Portugal

    I love the show. Great voices, great research and great music. Thankyou Nic and Captain
    This case, since the beginning, made me think of the movie "The Joneses"2009. Sounds like a "scripted" crime...
    Kisses from Portugal

  • Reb

    Reb DC

    Nic – I forbid you from buying into this woman’s malarkey. I mean come on. When the Captain is the voice of reason – End Times, people. END TIMES. I absolutely 100% believe that LE and the public should err on the side of believing a victim until there is a firm reason to do otherwise. There are firm reasons to do otherwise. I also agree with you that the husband is likely a partial victim of this madness. Whether he became and continues to remain complicit, I don’t know. I started to parse through the facts in while writing the post, but come on. You already did it yourself. Except for taking her at her word (which is highly suspect given that she’s a racist PoS who HAS A HISTORY OF INJURING HERSELF AND TRYING TO FALSLY BLAME OTHERS). Everything about this is bullshit. Also, the medical response is all the reason I need to know there is something really foul going on here. I work for a major medical provider, and if someone comes in dehydrated, food-starved, and beaten, they aren’t being discharged without significant observation, given the significant risk of kidney and other internal organ damage that needs to be monitored. Some simple spot blood tests would show whether she had been deprived and there is no way a doctor would have discharged her if she was showing any signs of significant deprivation. Her motive: another dude, potential financial gain from fame and story rights, needing to check out for awhile, she’s batshit fucking crazy? I don’t know. Also, the ONLY way I could believe she was potential a victim is the owing-money-to-a-drug-dealer angle. I was surprised you didn’t dig into this more. As for this hostage negotiator dude – that may just be a rabbit hole or whatever, but there is something there that doesn’t ring right, either. I will say, you did a particularly masterful job on this double episode. I had put this Sketchy-as-Hell broad (her own sister didn’t even know if she had a job or not!) out of my head long ago, and her name and the circumstances of her disappearance didn’t resonate with me when I listened to Part 1. So, it was only when I fired up episode 2 that I realized… oh, this lunatic. Always a fan. But seriously, Nic?

    Nic – I forbid you from buying into this woman’s malarkey. I mean come on. When the Captain is the voice of reason – End Times, people. END TIMES.

    I absolutely 100% believe that LE and the public should err on the side of believing a victim until there is a firm reason to do otherwise. There are firm reasons to do otherwise.

    I also agree with you that the husband is likely a partial victim of this madness. Whether he became and continues to remain complicit, I don’t know.

    I started to parse through the facts in while writing the post, but come on. You already did it yourself. Except for taking her at her word (which is highly suspect given that she’s a racist PoS who HAS A HISTORY OF INJURING HERSELF AND TRYING TO FALSLY BLAME OTHERS). Everything about this is bullshit.

    Also, the medical response is all the reason I need to know there is something really foul going on here. I work for a major medical provider, and if someone comes in dehydrated, food-starved, and beaten, they aren’t being discharged without significant observation, given the significant risk of kidney and other internal organ damage that needs to be monitored. Some simple spot blood tests would show whether she had been deprived and there is no way a doctor would have discharged her if she was showing any signs of significant deprivation.

    Her motive: another dude, potential financial gain from fame and story rights, needing to check out for awhile, she’s batshit fucking crazy? I don’t know.

    Also, the ONLY way I could believe she was potential a victim is the owing-money-to-a-drug-dealer angle. I was surprised you didn’t dig into this more.

    As for this hostage negotiator dude – that may just be a rabbit hole or whatever, but there is something there that doesn’t ring right, either.

    I will say, you did a particularly masterful job on this double episode. I had put this Sketchy-as-Hell broad (her own sister didn’t even know if she had a job or not!) out of my head long ago, and her name and the circumstances of her disappearance didn’t resonate with me when I listened to Part 1. So, it was only when I fired up episode 2 that I realized… oh, this lunatic.

    Always a fan. But seriously, Nic?

  • Bobby

    Bobby VA

    Maybe the women who took Sherri thought she was a minor due to her small stature.

    Maybe the women who took Sherri thought she was a minor due to her small stature.

  • Anna

    Anna Ohio

    Just want to thank you for the back to back episodes this week. I lost my best buddy on Monday and it has been a nice distraction. She was a faithful 15 pound Boston Terrier that I was lucky to have for 13 years.

    Just want to thank you for the back to back episodes this week. I lost my best buddy on Monday and it has been a nice distraction. She was a faithful 15 pound Boston Terrier that I was lucky to have for 13 years.

  • Whitney

    Whitney Arkansas

    I like Justin's theory as well. My initial thought about human trafficking is that typically middle-class women are not targeted. It is usually women and girls who are poor, lower class, poverty, drug-addicted, or some other thing that makes them an easier target. They are typically groomed and pulled in rather than just pulled off the road while they are running. However, playing on Justin's theory, if these women were not part of the human trafficking game but wanting to get in and were somewhat ignorant of how the whole thing worked, they may have just snatched her up and then later realize as it gained a national attention that this was not going to work the way they thought it would. And so they let her go. Basically it was just a clumsy crime that was poorly executed. I'm not sure either way but this was a really interesting case. Thanks for covering it.

    I like Justin's theory as well.

    My initial thought about human trafficking is that typically middle-class women are not targeted. It is usually women and girls who are poor, lower class, poverty, drug-addicted, or some other thing that makes them an easier target. They are typically groomed and pulled in rather than just pulled off the road while they are running.

    However, playing on Justin's theory, if these women were not part of the human trafficking game but wanting to get in and were somewhat ignorant of how the whole thing worked, they may have just snatched her up and then later realize as it gained a national attention that this was not going to work the way they thought it would. And so they let her go. Basically it was just a clumsy crime that was poorly executed.

    I'm not sure either way but this was a really interesting case. Thanks for covering it.

  • Sue

    Sue San jose

    I have also thought of Justin’s theory. I also wondered why Shari and her husband stayed living in the same house. The kidnappers would know where she lived and wouldn’t she be worried they might come back? Of course maybe that’s why she isn’t talking or giving details about them to police. Maybe they let her go but threatened her and said if you tell the police anything will be back.

    I have also thought of Justin’s theory. I also wondered why Shari and her husband stayed living in the same house. The kidnappers would know where she lived and wouldn’t she be worried they might come back? Of course maybe that’s why she isn’t talking or giving details about them to police. Maybe they let her go but threatened her and said if you tell the police anything will be back.

  • Karen

    Karen California

    I have followed this all along and truly believe that Cameron Gamble is 100% behind this. Too may coincidences that involve him. I believe he abducted her with her knowledge to push his hostage negotiating business. Also, many involved parties can be traced back to Bethel Church.

    I have followed this all along and truly believe that Cameron Gamble is 100% behind this. Too may coincidences that involve him. I believe he abducted her with her knowledge to push his hostage negotiating business. Also, many involved parties can be traced back to Bethel Church.

  • Hillary

    Hillary Ohio

    I'm confused about Sherry's cell phone. I thought her husband said on the 911 call that he found her phone and picked it up; we also heard that he took a picture of it first though before he picked it up. But then the sheriff made it seem like the police officers found the cell phone (and it looked deliberately and neatly placed). So did the husband mean that he found the phone and left it there or what? I want to believe women and give them the benefit of the doubt, but at the same time, there's a lot that doesn't make sense it this case, and Sherri's family and friend's public statements make it clear that they put her on a pedestal. Things I find suspicious: 1- the lack of a trail for the scent dogs to follow. Cops said it was prime weather conditions for scent dogs, and I imagine running shoes would carry a stronger than normal scent. 2- I understand that the police briefly interviewed Sherri at the hospital, but why did they let 5 days pass before interviewing her again? They didn't sound like a totally incompetent or uncaring department. I imagine that if they believed she was kidnapped and her abductors were still at large, there would be a higher sense of urgency. I found the "isolated incident" statement from the Sherriff to be very odd, given that they didn't claim a motivation and didn't find the abductors. 3- I'm not a parent so maybe I'm missing something, but Why would a stay-at-home "Supermom" who "would never leave her children" have her kids in day care several times a week? Just pointing out that the folks making these comments about her may only be looking at the surface and seem to have placed her on a pedestal. 4- I don't understand what the motive would be for kidnapping Sherri and keeping her alive. They didn't ask for ransom, they didn't sexually abuse her, and they didn't take her somewhere very far away with the intent of sex trafficking her. The closest thing I can think of would be to hurt her for her racist internet behavior (the racist blog post plus the racist Pinterest), but to hold her captive for 22 days for it? 5- Why would the family immediately put up a Go Fund Me page? I can understanding doing so in a few situations which doesn't seem to be the case here- a) the person has been missing for several days and you feel that law enforcement isn't helping and you need to hire outside assistance, b) you desperately need some reward money for a person whose been missing for several days, and c) the person has been missing for at least a week and has several people dependent upon them financially. The fact that they didn't even bother to post an update to the page after she came back was unconsiderate at best, and suspicious at worst. I feel that the family knows the truth of what happened, which is why they (and probably the Go Fund Me money) slowly dissapeared from public. My money is on the "affair gone wrong" theory.

    I'm confused about Sherry's cell phone. I thought her husband said on the 911 call that he found her phone and picked it up; we also heard that he took a picture of it first though before he picked it up. But then the sheriff made it seem like the police officers found the cell phone (and it looked deliberately and neatly placed). So did the husband mean that he found the phone and left it there or what?

    I want to believe women and give them the benefit of the doubt, but at the same time, there's a lot that doesn't make sense it this case, and Sherri's family and friend's public statements make it clear that they put her on a pedestal.

    Things I find suspicious:
    1- the lack of a trail for the scent dogs to follow. Cops said it was prime weather conditions for scent dogs, and I imagine running shoes would carry a stronger than normal scent.
    2- I understand that the police briefly interviewed Sherri at the hospital, but why did they let 5 days pass before interviewing her again? They didn't sound like a totally incompetent or uncaring department. I imagine that if they believed she was kidnapped and her abductors were still at large, there would be a higher sense of urgency. I found the "isolated incident" statement from the Sherriff to be very odd, given that they didn't claim a motivation and didn't find the abductors.
    3- I'm not a parent so maybe I'm missing something, but Why would a stay-at-home "Supermom" who "would never leave her children" have her kids in day care several times a week? Just pointing out that the folks making these comments about her may only be looking at the surface and seem to have placed her on a pedestal.
    4- I don't understand what the motive would be for kidnapping Sherri and keeping her alive. They didn't ask for ransom, they didn't sexually abuse her, and they didn't take her somewhere very far away with the intent of sex trafficking her. The closest thing I can think of would be to hurt her for her racist internet behavior (the racist blog post plus the racist Pinterest), but to hold her captive for 22 days for it?
    5- Why would the family immediately put up a Go Fund Me page? I can understanding doing so in a few situations which doesn't seem to be the case here- a) the person has been missing for several days and you feel that law enforcement isn't helping and you need to hire outside assistance, b) you desperately need some reward money for a person whose been missing for several days, and c) the person has been missing for at least a week and has several people dependent upon them financially. The fact that they didn't even bother to post an update to the page after she came back was unconsiderate at best, and suspicious at worst.

    I feel that the family knows the truth of what happened, which is why they (and probably the Go Fund Me money) slowly dissapeared from public.

    My money is on the "affair gone wrong" theory.

  • Trish

    Trish Guam

    My theory ... She was Running walking or what ever and she looks very young from behind. They took her put a hood on her and did not realize that she was in her 30s. The mistake was made and now had to deal with it. The nabbers who took her are NOT murders it took 22+ days because they were trying to find a buyer.

    My theory ... She was Running walking or what ever and she looks very young from behind. They took her put a hood on her and did not realize that she was in her 30s. The mistake was made and now had to deal with it. The nabbers who took her are NOT murders it took 22+ days because they were trying to find a buyer.

  • Hume Man

    Hume Man Iowa

    Seems like a Quinn Gray situation to me

    Seems like a Quinn Gray situation to me

  • Char Blake

    Char Blake Arizona

    I wonder if the police ever offered her to take a polygraph (like Keith did) after she returned. If they did, and she refused, then I think we have a very good indication that this was some kind if hoax, but wouldn't be considered "evidence" of anything illegal... that could be why her and her family completely stopped talking to the public about it! Otherwise- wouldn't they WANT it to stay in the forefront to try and catch whoever did it?

    I wonder if the police ever offered her to take a polygraph (like Keith did) after she returned. If they did, and she refused, then I think we have a very good indication that this was some kind if hoax, but wouldn't be considered "evidence" of anything illegal... that could be why her and her family completely stopped talking to the public about it! Otherwise- wouldn't they WANT it to stay in the forefront to try and catch whoever did it?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    @ Karen - that's an interesting theory, I like it. Nic

    @ Karen - that's an interesting theory, I like it.
    Nic

  • Tony Smyth

    Tony Smyth England

    Perhaps an Aimee Semple Macpherson scenario!

    Perhaps an Aimee Semple Macpherson scenario!

  • Reb

    Reb dc

    @anna. May your Good Girl Rest In Peace.

    @anna. May your Good Girl Rest In Peace.

  • Lilli S.

    Lilli S. El Paso, Texas

    Hi, y'all! So I just recently got in to listening to true crime podcasts and I am obsessed. After devouring all episodes on other true crime podcasts, I was looking for something else to listen to and I happened across True Crime Garage. The first and only one I have listened to is The Texas Seven. I really like the background given and it's obvious you guys have done a great job in researching the story, so overall I really liked the episode, but I have one gripe/complaint. Y'all interrupt each other way too much and it's super annoying 😡. I wanted to tell and say, "Speak one at a time!!!" Vent over. Keep on doing a good job. Bye!!!

    Hi, y'all!

    So I just recently got in to listening to true crime podcasts and I am obsessed. After devouring all episodes on other true crime podcasts, I was looking for something else to listen to and I happened across True Crime Garage. The first and only one I have listened to is The Texas Seven. I really like the background given and it's obvious you guys have done a great job in researching the story, so overall I really liked the episode, but I have one gripe/complaint. Y'all interrupt each other way too much and it's super annoying 😡. I wanted to tell and say, "Speak one at a time!!!" Vent over. Keep on doing a good job. Bye!!!

  • Debra

    Debra Holten, Wi

    human trafficking, probably the rarest crime that occurs in the US right behind modern slavery yet it’s all over nowadays. Do people really, honestly believe that people are chained up and only have contact with other people when they have sex with them? Wow! And what about the Johns? Is every single one of them such scum bags that they’ll just have sex with a kidnapped woman and keep their mouth shut about a kidnapping just to hide the fact that they committed a “crime”? Can you guys do an actual REAL case on human trafficking in the US that deals with American women? Cause I’m having real trouble finding a case that I actually believe that deals with women raised in the US? Sure there’s probably a few cases with women brought into this country for the specific purpose of having them be prostitutes but you can probably count how many on both hands. As for American women actually being abducted for Prostitution?? Are you people serious? You honestly believe that? I’m guessing You watch WAY too many movies, lol! The work that would go into keeping a woman hostage like that 24/7, just hoping a John doesn’t rat you out? Are you kidding me? Are women who want to be prostitutes getting that scarce now a days that people are resorting to this??? It’s a little far fetched for me to buy. I’m not saying that it hasn’t happened ever before in the past. It very well may have. but I’ll tell you what, it’s ABSOLUTELY not an epidemic. That much I’m positive of This is getting out of control people

    human trafficking, probably the rarest crime that occurs in the US right behind modern slavery yet it’s all over nowadays. Do people really, honestly believe that people are chained up and only have contact with other people when they have sex with them? Wow! And what about the Johns? Is every single one of them such scum bags that they’ll just have sex with a kidnapped woman and keep their mouth shut about a kidnapping just to hide the fact that they committed a “crime”?
    Can you guys do an actual REAL case on human trafficking in the US that deals with American women? Cause I’m having real trouble finding a case that I actually believe that deals with women raised in the US? Sure there’s probably a few cases with women brought into this country for the specific purpose of having them be prostitutes but you can probably count how many on both hands.
    As for American women actually being abducted for Prostitution?? Are you people serious? You honestly believe that? I’m guessing You watch WAY too many movies, lol! The work that would go into keeping a woman hostage like that 24/7, just hoping a John doesn’t rat you out? Are you kidding me? Are women who want to be prostitutes getting that scarce now a days that people are resorting to this??? It’s a little far fetched for me to buy. I’m not saying that it hasn’t happened ever before in the past. It very well may have. but I’ll tell you what, it’s ABSOLUTELY not an epidemic. That much I’m positive of
    This is getting out of control people

  • Josh

    Josh Parts unknown

    I think she staged it to be with a lover or as part of some money making scene possibly involving the negotiator guy. Maybe it went bad somehow and she really became a victim. Don’t buy that she was grabbed running and released.

    I think she staged it to be with a lover or as part of some money making scene possibly involving the negotiator guy. Maybe it went bad somehow and she really became a victim. Don’t buy that she was grabbed running and released.

  • joe

    joe dirt

    Now this was a good case. Much better than the one last week in regards to actual crime. I'm leaning on the hoax theory. Gone girl real life. This girl is a wacko

    Now this was a good case. Much better than the one last week in regards to actual crime. I'm leaning on the hoax theory. Gone girl real life. This girl is a wacko

  • RACHEL

    RACHEL O-H-I-O

    Um Debra......I debated whether to even respond. But you seem sincere so I am going to. When people say sex trafficking, that is not what they mean. No one believes people are chained up. They are usually controlled by drugs and threats. And they are typically young and impressionable teenage girls. And also, it's very real. I live on the shores of Lake Erie, just a short boat ride from Canada, which makes our area a hot bed for human trafficking activity. I promise you it's real. There is a really good documentary about it on Netflix. It follows the stories of a few young girls, at least one of which was rescued after her mother had to buy her back from an ad in the back pages. Most crimes are not as dramatic as portrayed in the movies. But they are real and the first step in protecting yourself and loved ones against them is acknowledging they happen.

    Um Debra......I debated whether to even respond. But you seem sincere so I am going to. When people say sex trafficking, that is not what they mean. No one believes people are chained up. They are usually controlled by drugs and threats. And they are typically young and impressionable teenage girls. And also, it's very real. I live on the shores of Lake Erie, just a short boat ride from Canada, which makes our area a hot bed for human trafficking activity. I promise you it's real. There is a really good documentary about it on Netflix. It follows the stories of a few young girls, at least one of which was rescued after her mother had to buy her back from an ad in the back pages. Most crimes are not as dramatic as portrayed in the movies. But they are real and the first step in protecting yourself and loved ones against them is acknowledging they happen.

  • Rob

    Rob Utah

    Debra stole my thunder. Every case where a woman disappears human trafficking is a theory yet I'm still waiting for the case where a US woman was kidnapped and trafficked. Especially a white, middle-class woman. It certainly doesn't happen enough to be the go-to theory.

    Debra stole my thunder. Every case where a woman disappears human trafficking is a theory yet I'm still waiting for the case where a US woman was kidnapped and trafficked. Especially a white, middle-class woman. It certainly doesn't happen enough to be the go-to theory.

  • Michelle

    Michelle Cheyenne Wyoming

    I wonder if she was indeed addicted to drugs and was held by them in order to detox. 21 days seems standard for drug rehab programs and maybe the husband was desperate enough to try this method? Would explain the go fund me page as payment.

    I wonder if she was indeed addicted to drugs and was held by them in order to detox. 21 days seems standard for drug rehab programs and maybe the husband was desperate enough to try this method? Would explain the go fund me page as payment.

  • mG

    mG

    I think the Papini family had a plan to hit the talk show circuit and write a book.....meaning I think this was a scam. I am pretty sure the local law enforcement knew that as well, but were worried about the public relations fallout if they went on the record. Story makes no sense, grabbed, chained, held for a month, no trafficking, no sexual assault, bull!

    I think the Papini family had a plan to hit the talk show circuit and write a book.....meaning I think this was a scam. I am pretty sure the local law enforcement knew that as well, but were worried about the public relations fallout if they went on the record. Story makes no sense, grabbed, chained, held for a month, no trafficking, no sexual assault, bull!

  • mG

    mG

    I listened to this podcast while riding my bike. I was pedaling with my legs and steering with my arms, you know, like I normally do.

    I listened to this podcast while riding my bike. I was pedaling with my legs and steering with my arms, you know, like I normally do.

  • Jackie

    Jackie Maryland

    Debra and Bob... look up the case of Amy Lynn Bradley. Definitely human trafficking going on there.

    Debra and Bob... look up the case of Amy Lynn Bradley. Definitely human trafficking going on there.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    I was reading and drinking coffee this morning. It's normal for me to read and drink coffee. Nic

    I was reading and drinking coffee this morning. It's normal for me to read and drink coffee.
    Nic

  • Rob

    Rob Utah

    @Jackie, I know the case and there isn't a shred of proof she was trafficked. Just possible sightings and stories, half of which turned out to be not true. In any case, this wasn't in the US, it was in foreign waters. And not to beat up on you but this is why speculation goes crazy in too many of these cases, people treat their speculation as fact when it's just speculation. There is no doubt that human/sex trafficking exists in this world but until I hear a case of an American woman being kidnapped in broad daylight and confirmed as being sold into sexual slavery, I think using this as a theory is irresponsible. And that is saying something considering just about EVERYTHING has happened when you listen to a ton of true crime pods. Entertaining as usual, TCG.

    @Jackie, I know the case and there isn't a shred of proof she was trafficked. Just possible sightings and stories, half of which turned out to be not true. In any case, this wasn't in the US, it was in foreign waters. And not to beat up on you but this is why speculation goes crazy in too many of these cases, people treat their speculation as fact when it's just speculation. There is no doubt that human/sex trafficking exists in this world but until I hear a case of an American woman being kidnapped in broad daylight and confirmed as being sold into sexual slavery, I think using this as a theory is irresponsible. And that is saying something considering just about EVERYTHING has happened when you listen to a ton of true crime pods. Entertaining as usual, TCG.

  • Michael

    Michael Indiana

    This case reminds me of David Parker Ray How she was found and he also released some of his victims He also had to women helpers his daughter and his girlfriend

    This case reminds me of David Parker Ray How she was found and he also released some of his victims He also had to women helpers his daughter and his girlfriend

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Good call Michael - I didn't make that connection but you are exactly right! cheers Nic

    Good call Michael - I didn't make that connection but you are exactly right!
    cheers Nic

  • Jordan

    Jordan Mn

    Do you guys only do cases in the United States? I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on the kathryn Smith case in the UK. She’s also been dubbed the Casey Anthony of UK.

    Do you guys only do cases in the United States? I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on the kathryn Smith case in the UK. She’s also been dubbed the Casey Anthony of UK.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thanks Jordan - we do venture out of the states once in awhile in fact we are covering a Canada case next week. Cheers Nic

    Thanks Jordan - we do venture out of the states once in awhile in fact we are covering a Canada case next week.
    Cheers Nic

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