Springfield Three ////// 97 & 98

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  • Rachel

    Rachel NRidgeville

    So I was thinking, as someone who has been a single mom, living on my own and knowing there was no big man in the house to protect me and the kids if something happened, I did what I could to prevent a situation like that....the most obvious being turning on the porch light at night since statistically houses with porch lights on are said to be broken into less....high electric bill be darned. What if Sherrill left her porch light on every night too? So what if this guy was watching the house, and when he thought everyone was asleep, he walked up to the front porch and tried to smash the light quickly to hide what he was doing. Because that would deter a robbery but not some weirdo who spotted a potential victim and has been fixating on them. So he breaks the light, waits to see if any neighbors hear anything and when he is certain they didn't, he tries to break in. Turns out though the door was unlocked, or maybe he happened to pick the lock. So anyway, someone in the house wakes up because they hear the noise and they think maybe the dog was getting into something so they put the dog away. This is when they are startled by the perp. He has been watching the outside of the house but is not at all familiar with the inside, so he knows he needs to familiarize himself. So to buy some time, he tells everyone to get up and get their purses together (which are already in their respective bedrooms) leading them to believe it's just a robbery and if they cooperate they will be ok. I am not certain where the tv comes into play exactly, but one thought is, maybe he has all the women sit on the couch while pointing a gun at them. He is trying to figure out if it's safe to go back outside and get the girls to his car. So he turns on the television so that if any neighbors did happen to wake up because of the breaking glass, the barking dog, or a screaming girl, they will chalk it up to the glow from the television set. There may not have been stations on that time of day but the VCR always worked ;) so a neighbor may have not thought it unusual that the tv was on and would have disregarded any noise. Then once the perp was sure the coast was clear, he leads them all outside. I speak as a mom when I say that the easiest way to get me to cooperate would be to threaten my kids. You have control of my babies then you have control of me. I think this would explain why all the purses were together and in the back of the house by the bedrooms. I think I remember reading that there was a hallway leading back to the bedrooms, so if he stood there in the hallway he would have had the women trapped and completely under his control. They would have willingly went with him to the living room instead of retreating into their bedrooms if they knew their only chance for a quick exit was beyond where he was standing. Just my thoughts as I listen :) Great job guys!

    So I was thinking, as someone who has been a single mom, living on my own and knowing there was no big man in the house to protect me and the kids if something happened, I did what I could to prevent a situation like that....the most obvious being turning on the porch light at night since statistically houses with porch lights on are said to be broken into less....high electric bill be darned. What if Sherrill left her porch light on every night too? So what if this guy was watching the house, and when he thought everyone was asleep, he walked up to the front porch and tried to smash the light quickly to hide what he was doing. Because that would deter a robbery but not some weirdo who spotted a potential victim and has been fixating on them. So he breaks the light, waits to see if any neighbors hear anything and when he is certain they didn't, he tries to break in. Turns out though the door was unlocked, or maybe he happened to pick the lock. So anyway, someone in the house wakes up because they hear the noise and they think maybe the dog was getting into something so they put the dog away. This is when they are startled by the perp. He has been watching the outside of the house but is not at all familiar with the inside, so he knows he needs to familiarize himself. So to buy some time, he tells everyone to get up and get their purses together (which are already in their respective bedrooms) leading them to believe it's just a robbery and if they cooperate they will be ok. I am not certain where the tv comes into play exactly, but one thought is, maybe he has all the women sit on the couch while pointing a gun at them. He is trying to figure out if it's safe to go back outside and get the girls to his car. So he turns on the television so that if any neighbors did happen to wake up because of the breaking glass, the barking dog, or a screaming girl, they will chalk it up to the glow from the television set. There may not have been stations on that time of day but the VCR always worked wink so a neighbor may have not thought it unusual that the tv was on and would have disregarded any noise. Then once the perp was sure the coast was clear, he leads them all outside. I speak as a mom when I say that the easiest way to get me to cooperate would be to threaten my kids. You have control of my babies then you have control of me. I think this would explain why all the purses were together and in the back of the house by the bedrooms. I think I remember reading that there was a hallway leading back to the bedrooms, so if he stood there in the hallway he would have had the women trapped and completely under his control. They would have willingly went with him to the living room instead of retreating into their bedrooms if they knew their only chance for a quick exit was beyond where he was standing. Just my thoughts as I listen smile Great job guys!

  • Craig

    Craig North Bend Washington

    My favorite quote of latest podcast is "if you're not legit... you're a piece of shit." The Captain.

    My favorite quote of latest podcast is "if you're not legit... you're a piece of shit." The Captain.

  • Jenn

    Jenn Massachusetts

    I don't see under recommended reading the book that was mentioned . Sounded good. Cop who kills serial killer..... Love the show too :)

    I don't see under recommended reading the book that was mentioned . Sounded good. Cop who kills serial killer..... Love the show too smile

  • ami

    ami Colorado

    Can we get the above quote on a t-shirt please? I'd be okay with a magnet too.

    Can we get the above quote on a t-shirt please? I'd be okay with a magnet too.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Jenn - it's on there. It's called Warnings Unheeded. Check it out. Cheers, Nic

    Jenn - it's on there. It's called Warnings Unheeded.
    Check it out.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Ocean Senta

    Ocean Senta

    That's weird, I always thought Larry Dewayne Hall was from Wabash, Indiana, not Missouri...?

    That's weird, I always thought Larry Dewayne Hall was from Wabash, Indiana, not Missouri...?

  • Em

    Em Newcastle

    Unscrewing the porch light is the best clue. It's clearly a mistake. I bet he did it all the time to watch the women as they got ready for bed. Perhaps this time he accidentally broke the glass in the light casing as he was replacing it & was caught in the act. Mom opens the door to investigate (she was dressed right), you push her back inside & straight to the girls room (surprising them changing) so you can control them. Think about it. How does the pervert know to call the house once the girls arrive? Because he's watching the house. How do you watch the house while controlling 3 women? You lock them in your basement or whatever. I'm saying my money is on it being a close neighbour. Lord knows you can see inside the house better with the light from a tv showing, especially if it's consistent, non flashing light.

    Unscrewing the porch light is the best clue. It's clearly a mistake. I bet he did it all the time to watch the women as they got ready for bed. Perhaps this time he accidentally broke the glass in the light casing as he was replacing it & was caught in the act. Mom opens the door to investigate (she was dressed right), you push her back inside & straight to the girls room (surprising them changing) so you can control them.

    Think about it. How does the pervert know to call the house once the girls arrive? Because he's watching the house. How do you watch the house while controlling 3 women? You lock them in your basement or whatever. I'm saying my money is on it being a close neighbour. Lord knows you can see inside the house better with the light from a tv showing, especially if it's consistent, non flashing light.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Ocean you are correct Hall is from Indiana - I may have miss spoke but he was a driver. It's believed he is guilty of abductions and murder in several states. And his van is similar to the one seen. If I said he is from Missouri I apologize Cheers, Nic

    Ocean you are correct Hall is from Indiana - I may have miss spoke but he was a driver. It's believed he is guilty of abductions and murder in several states. And his van is similar to the one seen. If I said he is from Missouri I apologize
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Heidi

    Heidi California

    Im curious about the recent divorce ..and relationship with ex husband .

    Im curious about the recent divorce ..and relationship with ex husband .

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Yeah Heidi that makes me wonder too. I also don't know how active the father was in the search. Maybe if there's someone from that area on here they could let us know what the remember Nic

    Yeah Heidi that makes me wonder too. I also don't know how active the father was in the search. Maybe if there's someone from that area on here they could let us know what the remember
    Nic

  • Missy

    Missy

    Did anyone ever consider if the three grave robbing boys were comfortable digging up bodies that they could dispose of bodies in another grave?

    Did anyone ever consider if the three grave robbing boys were comfortable digging up bodies that they could dispose of bodies in another grave?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Very wise Missy! Cheers, Nic

    Very wise Missy!
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Khara

    Khara

    I am late to the party but catching up quickly. As someone from this area, I was curious as to why you guys didn't touch on the connection to the Angela Hammond case with this case. Is this too much of a rabbit hole? Just curious Thanks for the great show.

    I am late to the party but catching up quickly. As someone from this area, I was curious as to why you guys didn't touch on the connection to the Angela Hammond case with this case. Is this too much of a rabbit hole? Just curious Thanks for the great show.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Simple answer Khara. I was unaware of Angela's case or any possible connection to this. I did do a lot of research and never came across this. I'll look into it. Thanks, Nic

    Simple answer Khara. I was unaware of Angela's case or any possible connection to this. I did do a lot of research and never came across this. I'll look into it.
    Thanks,
    Nic

  • Patrick

    Patrick Columbus Ohio

    I don't remember hearing any mention of the recently divorced father in this episode. Was he cleared as a suspect? I feel like he should be near #1 for easily getting into the house. Also a tv with static isn't that crazy. Is it possible one or more of the women were watching a VHS tape that they fell asleep watching? This would leave the TV on a unused channel like 3 or 4 and would be normal if a movie turned off.

    I don't remember hearing any mention of the recently divorced father in this episode. Was he cleared as a suspect? I feel like he should be near #1 for easily getting into the house. Also a tv with static isn't that crazy. Is it possible one or more of the women were watching a VHS tape that they fell asleep watching? This would leave the TV on a unused channel like 3 or 4 and would be normal if a movie turned off.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thank you Patrick. We mentioned the father-ex husband. We didn't mention him as a suspect nor has any local police or investigating agency. That doesn't mean we should have discussed him as a suspect. Honestly I got so wrapped up in thes other suspects I failed to look into the guy. Regarding the VHS movie I think you hit on something there. That is the mostly likely situation I think. The only other thought I had on that was the abductor purposely put the tv on a channel with no content for the white noise. Cheers, Nic

    Thank you Patrick. We mentioned the father-ex husband. We didn't mention him as a suspect nor has any local police or investigating agency. That doesn't mean we should have discussed him as a suspect. Honestly I got so wrapped up in thes other suspects I failed to look into the guy. Regarding the VHS movie I think you hit on something there. That is the mostly likely situation I think. The only other thought I had on that was the abductor purposely put the tv on a channel with no content for the white noise.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Kenzie

    Kenzie Utah

    Listening to this case you said you could only find Dustin.. have you looked at his fb page and on his friends list? Mike clay is on there. Just a thought.

    Listening to this case you said you could only find Dustin.. have you looked at his fb page and on his friends list? Mike clay is on there. Just a thought.

  • Mark

    Mark Austin

    I have no doubt that all three victims were in the house and abducted from inside. I don't see rogue serial killer here (does not fit MO). Guys like Cox were impulse guys, they could not control themselves. If three females were alone, in a house, a time of day when nobody else in the neighborhood is up, they have the location they want to perpetrate rape and murder. I can't see themselves being able to control themselves and stop from doing what they wanted to do inside the house. I think serial killers are red herrings. I also find it odd that the phone was not taken off the hook. If somebody entered the house through ulterior motives, they would have taken that phone off the hook down stairs so no calls could go out. I am also fairly certain to control this situation, with three victims, multiple people would have to be involved. I think the un-subs were known to the mother and daughter, I think they were allowed access to the house. I think maybe a small scuffle ensued when the women figured out something bad was about to happen. I think the un-subs probably manipulated the house to cover up the abduction, putting all of the purses together, turning on the TV after all the stations went off the air, trying to find some programming and then just stopping when they couldn't find a channel on the air, leaving the TV on dead air. For multiple un-subs and three women to be transported out, a van would have been necessary. Three guys that rob and dismember corpses, looking at a felony count that would involve them going to prison with men, they were willing to do something like this. One of the guys that was probably least threatening, conned his way inside and the others followed. Killing the girls in the house would have pointed directly to them, getting rid of the bodies, that makes charges near impossible. Don't care if they later in life went on to have families, numerous murderers have. If you break into mausoleums and pry teeth out of corpses, your sociopath credentials are pretty firmly established. Feel guilt? Not these guys. Like the Austin Yogurt Shop murders, unlikely to ever be solved. Talking to serial killers is pointless, they desire attention and will lead you on just to get it.

    I have no doubt that all three victims were in the house and abducted from inside. I don't see rogue serial killer here (does not fit MO). Guys like Cox were impulse guys, they could not control themselves. If three females were alone, in a house, a time of day when nobody else in the neighborhood is up, they have the location they want to perpetrate rape and murder. I can't see themselves being able to control themselves and stop from doing what they wanted to do inside the house. I think serial killers are red herrings. I also find it odd that the phone was not taken off the hook. If somebody entered the house through ulterior motives, they would have taken that phone off the hook down stairs so no calls could go out. I am also fairly certain to control this situation, with three victims, multiple people would have to be involved. I think the un-subs were known to the mother and daughter, I think they were allowed access to the house. I think maybe a small scuffle ensued when the women figured out something bad was about to happen. I think the un-subs probably manipulated the house to cover up the abduction, putting all of the purses together, turning on the TV after all the stations went off the air, trying to find some programming and then just stopping when they couldn't find a channel on the air, leaving the TV on dead air. For multiple un-subs and three women to be transported out, a van would have been necessary. Three guys that rob and dismember corpses, looking at a felony count that would involve them going to prison with men, they were willing to do something like this. One of the guys that was probably least threatening, conned his way inside and the others followed. Killing the girls in the house would have pointed directly to them, getting rid of the bodies, that makes charges near impossible. Don't care if they later in life went on to have families, numerous murderers have. If you break into mausoleums and pry teeth out of corpses, your sociopath credentials are pretty firmly established. Feel guilt? Not these guys. Like the Austin Yogurt Shop murders, unlikely to ever be solved. Talking to serial killers is pointless, they desire attention and will lead you on just to get it.

  • Ryan

    Ryan Missouri

    June 14: Authorities begin a sweep of wooded areas and streams in the Springfield area and search an apartment building after a letter containing a rough drawing of the apartment complex and the phrase, “use Ruse of Gas Man checking for Leak,” is found in a News-Leader rack at a grocery store. Also on this day, pictures of the women air on the television show “America's Most Wanted.” This was in the Springfield news leader. I think you guys mentioned Robert Cox was involved in another case where he drew a map. And that he had a utility van possibly. Annnd... Worked at her dads used car lot part time so he may have started stalking/ planning... If it's him, I hope he confesses so the town cab heal.

    June 14: Authorities begin a sweep of wooded areas and streams in the Springfield area and search an apartment building after a letter containing a rough drawing of the apartment complex and the phrase, “use Ruse of Gas Man checking for Leak,” is found in a News-Leader rack at a grocery store. Also on this day, pictures of the women air on the television show “America's Most Wanted.”
    This was in the Springfield news leader. I think you guys mentioned Robert Cox was involved in another case where he drew a map. And that he had a utility van possibly. Annnd... Worked at her dads used car lot part time so he may have started stalking/ planning... If it's him, I hope he confesses so the town cab heal.

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