Ted Bundy and the Green River Killer ////// 66 

Ted Bundy and the Green River Killer ////// 66 

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With Ted Bundy neatly tucked away in a Florida death row cell we can all just relax now right? Wrong! In 1982 the bodies of several young women were found in Washington state's Green River. Authorities unleash an investigation and manhunt almost the same size and scale of the "Ted Murders." With little to no real strong leads police are not optimistic. October 1, 1984 the Green River task force receives a letter from Mr. Theodore Robert Bundy offering his assistance to their investigation. Can one killer catch another and why would he want to help? We will ask these questions and many more tonight in the garage. 

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19 comments

  • Tim

    Tim Chino Hills, Ca

    Great series of episodes. Ted Bundy was seriously a monster and he clearly was a sociopath, but I believe the characteristic that defines a lot of his motivations was his narcissism, the pursuit of gratification from vanity or egotistic admiration of one’s own attributes. This guy obviously thought that he was smarter than everyone else and believed that they should think so as well. Bundy always had the idea of escape on his mind, but I doubt that was the reason he wanted to defend himself. I believe he thought nobody could do it better than him. He then saw the chance and escaped out the window. I doubt a guy with his kind of ego would truly flee to a state, because he thought they would be the most likely to kill him. More likely he was like Vizzini from the Princess Bride thinking he was outsmarting the Dred Pirate Roberts in the poison test. He figured it would be the last place they would look for him. I know the idea is contrary to the frenzy killing he seemed to do, but I would guess that was a rage he could not control which built up during his incarceration. I also believe that his offer to help the Green River Task Force was motivated by a desire to hopefully manufacture an escape attempt in addition to feeding his narcissism. Thomas Harris’s book Red Dragon was published in 1981 and made into a movie called Manhunter in 1986. Although this story was about an FBI agent that visited Hannibal Lechter to heighten his ability to think like a serial killer, the follow up book Silence of the Lambs was published in 1988 the year before Bundy was executed. The story line of this book and subsequent movie was an FBI agent seeking help from Hannibal Lechter in the pursuit of a serial killer. It would seem that Bundy’s offer was a case of life imitating art. The thing I remember about Bundy’s execution was a local McDonald’s offering “Free Fries when Bundy Dies.” Florida obviously didn't take kindly child killers. And Bundy was executed by Electric Chair. Stay Golden Tim

    Great series of episodes.

    Ted Bundy was seriously a monster and he clearly was a sociopath, but I believe the characteristic that defines a lot of his motivations was his narcissism, the pursuit of gratification from vanity or egotistic admiration of one’s own attributes. This guy obviously thought that he was smarter than everyone else and believed that they should think so as well.

    Bundy always had the idea of escape on his mind, but I doubt that was the reason he wanted to defend himself. I believe he thought nobody could do it better than him. He then saw the chance and escaped out the window. I doubt a guy with his kind of ego would truly flee to a state, because he thought they would be the most likely to kill him. More likely he was like Vizzini from the Princess Bride thinking he was outsmarting the Dred Pirate Roberts in the poison test. He figured it would be the last place they would look for him. I know the idea is contrary to the frenzy killing he seemed to do, but I would guess that was a rage he could not control which built up during his incarceration.

    I also believe that his offer to help the Green River Task Force was motivated by a desire to hopefully manufacture an escape attempt in addition to feeding his narcissism. Thomas Harris’s book Red Dragon was published in 1981 and made into a movie called Manhunter in 1986. Although this story was about an FBI agent that visited Hannibal Lechter to heighten his ability to think like a serial killer, the follow up book Silence of the Lambs was published in 1988 the year before Bundy was executed. The story line of this book and subsequent movie was an FBI agent seeking help from Hannibal Lechter in the pursuit of a serial killer. It would seem that Bundy’s offer was a case of life imitating art.

    The thing I remember about Bundy’s execution was a local McDonald’s offering “Free Fries when Bundy Dies.” Florida obviously didn't take kindly child killers. And Bundy was executed by Electric Chair.

    Stay Golden
    Tim

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    roger the kitty cat bakersfield ca

    I am addicted to your show! It's truly a Purrfect show. It makes my the day!!! -Roger the kitty cat from Bakersfield, California (I happily donated to your beer fund)

    I am addicted to your show! It's truly a Purrfect show. It makes my the day!!!
    -Roger the kitty cat from Bakersfield, California
    (I happily donated to your beer fund)

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    Vincent, We covered Dayton Leroy Rodgers earlier in season 3. Check out our old episodes. Cheers, Nic

    Vincent,
    We covered Dayton Leroy Rodgers earlier in season 3. Check out our old episodes.
    Cheers, Nic

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    Dear Tim, Bundy executed and free fries, plenty of reason to celebrate down on Florida! Nic

    Dear Tim,

    Bundy executed and free fries, plenty of reason to celebrate down on Florida!
    Nic

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    Thanks for the beer money Kitty cat Roger! -Nic

    Thanks for the beer money Kitty cat Roger!
    -Nic

  • Tom

    Tom Australia

    Hey guys. Just wanted to emphasize something, being somewhat of a minor expert on Bundy; Ted did not in any way whatsoever have a death wish before or during his incarceration. Like most sociopaths, his own personal safety was PARAMOUNT to him and he was terrified of being executed. EVERY move he made in prison, from trying to help the green river task force all the way up to his bullshit interview with that priest a few days before his execution blaming his crimes on detective stories and low level porn; all deliberate moves to try and avoid his execution, to try and make himself seem useful and to stay alive a bit longer. He did not want to die, he was utterly desperate to go on living as long as he possibly could. It's ironic considering what little regard he had for the lives of everyone else, but there you have it. I'm at work and shouldn't be using this computer but I just had to say this, it was bugging me! Keep up the good work! Cheers, Tom.

    Hey guys.

    Just wanted to emphasize something, being somewhat of a minor expert on Bundy; Ted did not in any way whatsoever have a death wish before or during his incarceration. Like most sociopaths, his own personal safety was PARAMOUNT to him and he was terrified of being executed. EVERY move he made in prison, from trying to help the green river task force all the way up to his bullshit interview with that priest a few days before his execution blaming his crimes on detective stories and low level porn; all deliberate moves to try and avoid his execution, to try and make himself seem useful and to stay alive a bit longer. He did not want to die, he was utterly desperate to go on living as long as he possibly could. It's ironic considering what little regard he had for the lives of everyone else, but there you have it.

    I'm at work and shouldn't be using this computer but I just had to say this, it was bugging me!

    Keep up the good work!

    Cheers,
    Tom.

  • Blaire

    Blaire East Coast

    One thibg I always wonder about with Bundy: what became of his son??? That would be fascinating - although I presume he appreciates his anonymity.

    One thibg I always wonder about with Bundy: what became of his son??? That would be fascinating - although I presume he appreciates his anonymity.

  • Blaire

    Blaire Oregon, originally

    The pacific northwest is the true crime gift that keeps on giving. Have you thought about episodes for the happy face killer, the murder of Michael franke, Diane Downs, Kyron Horman? And how I would love to hear you on DB Cooper! Keep it up, gentleman.

    The pacific northwest is the true crime gift that keeps on giving. Have you thought about episodes for the happy face killer, the murder of Michael franke, Diane Downs, Kyron Horman? And how I would love to hear you on DB Cooper! Keep it up, gentleman.

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    Blaire • East Coast That would be interesting to dive into.

    Blaire • East Coast

    That would be interesting to dive into.

  • JT

    JT Luxemburg, WI

    Am I the only one that kept "hearing" Jane's Addiction during this episode?! "Sex and Violence, Sex IS violent" Love the podcast fellows, & love yer Jib (& Jane's Addiction!) <3

    Am I the only one that kept "hearing" Jane's Addiction during this episode?! "Sex and Violence, Sex IS violent" Love the podcast fellows, & love yer Jib (& Jane's Addiction!) <3

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    JT • Luxemburg, WI Big Jane's Addiction fan!!

    JT • Luxemburg, WI

    Big Jane's Addiction fan!!

  • Elizabeth

    Elizabeth Planet Earth

    The best part of this episode was the audio of Bundy messing with James Dobson from Focus on the Family. He easily saw exactly what would make Dobson susceptible to manipulation and spun a tale that made Dobson feel sympathetic to him. Thanks for adding it in because it was an excellent example of how easily sociopaths can manipulate people.

    The best part of this episode was the audio of Bundy messing with James Dobson from Focus on the Family. He easily saw exactly what would make Dobson susceptible to manipulation and spun a tale that made Dobson feel sympathetic to him. Thanks for adding it in because it was an excellent example of how easily sociopaths can manipulate people.

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    Yes Bundy was a master manipulator. You can hear the acting in his voice though. He definitely sounds like he is putting it on. Cheers, Nic

    Yes Bundy was a master manipulator. You can hear the acting in his voice though. He definitely sounds like he is putting it on.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Drea

    Drea Tacoma wa

    Great show. This one especially hits home bein as I'm from Washington. You guys mentioned a lot of Seattle, that Seattle was were he started and where they all went missing but he traveled all the way to Spokane wa (250 miles to the east) and took several prosittutes from sprayed ave. I actually worked with a lady who as a teenager would go to party's a lot in the Seattle area and at one party she had actually met Ted. She said he gave her the major creeps and she did her best to keep her distantnce but the one thing she noticed was that he had another guy with him and they seemed pretty close and he gave her the creeps just as bad. She said that in her personal option, Ted didn't do it alone. She believes that this other guy was helping him in the killings. If that was the case maybe he was killing while Ted was on trial to get the Blame off Ted, or was Ted maybe trying to frame him when he told the police to stake out the next dead body?

    Great show. This one especially hits home bein as I'm from Washington. You guys mentioned a lot of Seattle, that Seattle was were he started and where they all went missing but he traveled all the way to Spokane wa (250 miles to the east) and took several prosittutes from sprayed ave. I actually worked with a lady who as a teenager would go to party's a lot in the Seattle area and at one party she had actually met Ted. She said he gave her the major creeps and she did her best to keep her distantnce but the one thing she noticed was that he had another guy with him and they seemed pretty close and he gave her the creeps just as bad. She said that in her personal option, Ted didn't do it alone. She believes that this other guy was helping him in the killings. If that was the case maybe he was killing while Ted was on trial to get the Blame off Ted, or was Ted maybe trying to frame him when he told the police to stake out the next dead body?

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    Drea • Tacoma wa Thanks for listening and the support. Much love from Cbus. Captain

    Drea • Tacoma wa

    Thanks for listening and the support. Much love from Cbus.

    Captain

  • Constance

    Constance Buffalo ny

    I've been listening to the episode and putting things together from different jewels you fellas have laid out for us. At one point it was mentioned that Ted, in later interviews, stated that he went down to Florida with the intention of starting a new life with a new identity. Supposedly he's also asked one of his lawyers where, if convicted, people are most speedily put to death. Supposing both of these are "true", it could put the move into a different perspective. Ted is not always bent on murdering young women. Part of the time he's living a relatively normal life. Going to school, having relationships, forming a life plan. Perhaps this more socially acceptable side chooses Florida as an incentive not to kill / maim / be a psycho. Perhaps he truly believes he can be an upright man. Maybe by using this threat and his own instincts for self preservation, he believes he'll at least be able to hibernate for awhile. Keep the killer at bay. Which obviously he was completely incapable of. It stands to reason that by keeping those instincts in check for as long as he did might be part of the reason that his last spree was so prolonged. Or the killer inside knew this might be it's last opportunity to make mayhem and enjoyed the experience as much as possible. Thanks for the entertainment fellas.

    I've been listening to the episode and putting things together from different jewels you fellas have laid out for us. At one point it was mentioned that Ted, in later interviews, stated that he went down to Florida with the intention of starting a new life with a new identity. Supposedly he's also asked one of his lawyers where, if convicted, people are most speedily put to death.

    Supposing both of these are "true", it could put the move into a different perspective. Ted is not always bent on murdering young women. Part of the time he's living a relatively normal life. Going to school, having relationships, forming a life plan. Perhaps this more socially acceptable side chooses Florida as an incentive not to kill / maim / be a psycho. Perhaps he truly believes he can be an upright man. Maybe by using this threat and his own instincts for self preservation, he believes he'll at least be able to hibernate for awhile. Keep the killer at bay.

    Which obviously he was completely incapable of. It stands to reason that by keeping those instincts in check for as long as he did might be part of the reason that his last spree was so prolonged. Or the killer inside knew this might be it's last opportunity to make mayhem and enjoyed the experience as much as possible.

    Thanks for the entertainment fellas.

  • Phil

    Phil Lo

    Maybe Ted Bundy was an innocent man and all these horrible crimes were commited by this psychopathic criminal Greg Ridgway- Green River killer. Profile of Ridgway matches to such type of crimes. Besides, what did he done in years 1973-1982? Maybe these women were victims of him and not Bundy. It is less probably that a well educated, good looking man like Bundy commits such cruel , pervert and terryfying crimes By the way, they were only circumstential evidences against him, no solid evidence. Authoritoes should use DNA Tests to explain surely this case. It can be that innocent man was sentenced to death for crimes commited by a psychopathic criminal

    Maybe Ted Bundy was an innocent man and all these horrible crimes were commited by this psychopathic criminal Greg Ridgway- Green River killer. Profile of Ridgway matches to such type of crimes. Besides, what did he done in years 1973-1982? Maybe these women were victims of him and not Bundy. It is less probably that a well educated, good looking man like Bundy commits such cruel , pervert and terryfying crimes By the way, they were only circumstential evidences against him, no solid evidence. Authoritoes should use DNA Tests to explain surely this case. It can be that innocent man was sentenced to death for crimes commited by a psychopathic criminal

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    Phil that's an interesting story but look more into these cases and then let me know your opinion. Cheers Nic

    Phil that's an interesting story but look more into these cases and then let me know your opinion.
    Cheers Nic

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