The Fort Worth Missing Trio /// 241 /// 242

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  • Kelly

    Kelly Los Angeles, CA

    Wonder if they ever checked for DNA on that letter and/or envelope. In particular saliva on the envelope.

    Wonder if they ever checked for DNA on that letter and/or envelope. In particular saliva on the envelope.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Hi Kelly - my notes say yes... and they could find no dna matching the three girls or any violent offender in their database at that time. I don't have an exact date/ year on the testing. I know it was sometime between 2001 and 2010. So we must keep in mind how many years have passed but the wording leads me to believe they found some dna on it. - Nic

    Hi Kelly - my notes say yes... and they could find no dna matching the three girls or any violent offender in their database at that time. I don't have an exact date/ year on the testing. I know it was sometime between 2001 and 2010. So we must keep in mind how many years have passed but the wording leads me to believe they found some dna on it.
    - Nic

  • Nicole

    Nicole NY

    Where can we see the note that was written with the name Rachael misspelled ?

    Where can we see the note that was written with the name Rachael misspelled ?

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous

    A couple of thing about the letter. In the word "See", it looks like it has three e's. I think the person writing this was doing it really fast and started to combined the words "See you". I have done that many times when writing in cursive. Next the post mark, I think it also is an 8. If you look at the number 4 in the year you can see it was cut off and does not go all of the way down. Where the 4 end and the middle part of the 8 line up. Something was probably blocking the numbers from getting printed all of the way.

    A couple of thing about the letter. In the word "See", it looks like it has three e's. I think the person writing this was doing it really fast and started to combined the words "See you". I have done that many times when writing in cursive. Next the post mark, I think it also is an 8. If you look at the number 4 in the year you can see it was cut off and does not go all of the way down. Where the 4 end and the middle part of the 8 line up. Something was probably blocking the numbers from getting printed all of the way.

  • Todd

    Todd

    I'm not sure if I believe there is anything fishy about the "e" being changed to an "L". When I write my name in cursive fast, sometimes it looks like "toad" instead of "todd". If I notice that, I go back and make "what looks like an "a" into a "d" by extending the line further up to look like a proper "d". The same thing could have happened here, the "l" looked like an "e" to the writer so they went back and made it look right, kind of like what I do with my name.

    I'm not sure if I believe there is anything fishy about the "e" being changed to an "L". When I write my name in cursive fast, sometimes it looks like "toad" instead of "todd". If I notice that, I go back and make "what looks like an "a" into a "d" by extending the line further up to look like a proper "d". The same thing could have happened here, the "l" looked like an "e" to the writer so they went back and made it look right, kind of like what I do with my name.

  • Sir Rodeheaver

    Sir Rodeheaver

    Have they looked at the postman as a suspect? The postal worker for her physical address is the only person thus far (Part 1 listened to only) to answer so many questions for me. 1. Who would know better than the postman to know Thomas' whole name and spelling? 2. The letter had no junk mail with it. Who has the power to withhold all mail except one letter? 3. There was a discrepancy with the stamp being cancelled, and yet still delivered, who could do that? 4. If the postal code was messed up, who could make that so? 5. Who has the power to deliver a piece of mail the day after the abduction? Those are my thoughts? Anyone agree?

    Have they looked at the postman as a suspect? The postal worker for her physical address is the only person thus far (Part 1 listened to only) to answer so many questions for me.
    1. Who would know better than the postman to know Thomas' whole name and spelling?
    2. The letter had no junk mail with it. Who has the power to withhold all mail except one letter?
    3. There was a discrepancy with the stamp being cancelled, and yet still delivered, who could do that?
    4. If the postal code was messed up, who could make that so?
    5. Who has the power to deliver a piece of mail the day after the abduction?

    Those are my thoughts? Anyone agree?

  • Sir Rodeheaver

    Sir Rodeheaver

    I also think a lot can be caught from reading the letter. She could have told the abductor that she always called her husband "Thomas". In doing so, Tommy would know something is off right away. The letter could have been written by Rachel and she could have written it filled with fear. Thus the slippiness. I think the almost misspelling of her name was another subtle telling Tommy she was not okay.

    I also think a lot can be caught from reading the letter. She could have told the abductor that she always called her husband "Thomas". In doing so, Tommy would know something is off right away.

    The letter could have been written by Rachel and she could have written it filled with fear. Thus the slippiness.

    I think the almost misspelling of her name was another subtle telling Tommy she was not okay.

  • Shannon

    Shannon KY

    I agree with Greg. It looks like the “see” and “Rachel” were written from muscle memory. Maybe the bad guy’s name has two “e’s” in it. I’d also be curious to ask the parents and friends if “I know I’m going to catch it” was a phrase Rachel or the other gurls used often. It’s not a very popular slang term now, but maybe it was back then? Was it possible in 1974 to mail a letter and have it arrive the next day? If the note was written and posted before they went missing, and the letter was supposed to be legit, how would she know where she would be able to park AFTER writing the letter? If she supposedly wrote it before going to the mall, how could she know where the Olds would be parked? I’m wondering too if the 9-year old was used as bait. She’d be the easiest to grab, and maybe the bad guys bribed the older two into getting in the van because they already had the little one. That could explain lack of struggle.

    I agree with Greg. It looks like the “see” and “Rachel” were written from muscle memory. Maybe the bad guy’s name has two “e’s” in it.

    I’d also be curious to ask the parents and friends if “I know I’m going to catch it” was a phrase Rachel or the other gurls used often. It’s not a very popular slang term now, but maybe it was back then?

    Was it possible in 1974 to mail a letter and have it arrive the next day?

    If the note was written and posted before they went missing, and the letter was supposed to be legit, how would she know where she would be able to park AFTER writing the letter? If she supposedly wrote it before going to the mall, how could she know where the Olds would be parked?

    I’m wondering too if the 9-year old was used as bait. She’d be the easiest to grab, and maybe the bad guys bribed the older two into getting in the van because they already had the little one. That could explain lack of struggle.

  • Kal

    Kal Illinois

    I'm sure you guys discovered this and cover it in part 2, but I wanted to share the link anyway. Should be hearing something soon. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/09/texas-girls-cold-case-disappearance-could-be-solved-after-raising-submerged-car.html

    I'm sure you guys discovered this and cover it in part 2, but I wanted to share the link anyway. Should be hearing something soon.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/09/texas-girls-cold-case-disappearance-could-be-solved-after-raising-submerged-car.html

  • Reb

    Reb DC

    Thank you for this case, which is my favorite type: unsolved, new to me, and chocked full of Rabbit Holes! A few things: 1. Why was “Rachel” the only letter writer you ask? Well, she would have probably been the only one with an ID, let alone one that included an address. 2. My impression is that the writer was female based on the penmanship, but take that with a grain of salt. 3. I must say, for Rachel, there is something kind of generic about her look. I thought she looked familiar to me too, despite not having been born in 1974! My point is that I could see a lot of people thinking they saw her but not having it be her. 4. Regarding the Christmas returns to Fort Worth. I think such a theory is probably more a reflection of the fact that the anniversary likely triggers news stories of the case and that time of year it’s more likely that the photos are on people’s mind because of local media and bring about “sightings”. 5. Regarding the Dbag who killed the Lyon sisters (case in my backyard that I was so pleased to see resolved). Not to be nit picky, but from 1972 to 1976, Texas didn’t have a valid death penalty statute on the books, and Constitutionally can not impose a capital sentence for a homicide committed before the statute was passed in 1976. 6. This case is just another demonstration of how the physical victims aren’t the only victims. That poor family that was torn apart also suffered horribly. 7. Obviously, a non-pregnant 16 y-o getting married kind of gave me a shock. However, it did sound like her home life was No Good, which could provide some context for this. 8. One thing that strikes me is that the presence of the 9 year old would lead the girls to be much more cautious than if it were just the two teenagers, who might be lured to go smoke grass ( as the kids said back then !) or some others teenage naughty behavior. I think they would be a hell of a lot more conscious of not putting the 9year old in a dicey situation, which makes it all the more odd. Also, 9 year olds are a bunch of spoil sport tattle tale brats, which makes me think the girls wouldn’t start down a path where the kiddo would have something to snitch about. Happy Birthday, Nic! As a present: have you seen the stories, a version of which was published in the Washington Post, about how Stephen King’s son is convinced that the (still unidentified) Lady of the Dunes appears in a scene of the original Jaws?

    Thank you for this case, which is my favorite type: unsolved, new to me, and chocked full of Rabbit Holes!
    A few things:
    1. Why was “Rachel” the only letter writer you ask? Well, she would have probably been the only one with an ID, let alone one that included an address.

    2. My impression is that the writer was female based on the penmanship, but take that with a grain of salt.

    3. I must say, for Rachel, there is something kind of generic about her look. I thought she looked familiar to me too, despite not having been born in 1974! My point is that I could see a lot of people thinking they saw her but not having it be her.

    4. Regarding the Christmas returns to Fort Worth. I think such a theory is probably more a reflection of the fact that the anniversary likely triggers news stories of the case and that time of year it’s more likely that the photos are on people’s mind because of local media and bring about “sightings”.

    5. Regarding the Dbag who killed the Lyon sisters (case in my backyard that I was so pleased to see resolved). Not to be nit picky, but from 1972 to 1976, Texas didn’t have a valid death penalty statute on the books, and Constitutionally can not impose a capital sentence for a homicide committed before the statute was passed in 1976.

    6. This case is just another demonstration of how the physical victims aren’t the only victims. That poor family that was torn apart also suffered horribly.

    7. Obviously, a non-pregnant 16 y-o getting married kind of gave me a shock. However, it did sound like her home life was No Good, which could provide some context for this.

    8. One thing that strikes me is that the presence of the 9 year old would lead the girls to be much more cautious than if it were just the two teenagers, who might be lured to go smoke grass ( as the kids said back then !) or some others teenage naughty behavior. I think they would be a hell of a lot more conscious of not putting the 9year old in a dicey situation, which makes it all the more odd. Also, 9 year olds are a bunch of spoil sport tattle tale brats, which makes me think the girls wouldn’t start down a path where the kiddo would have something to snitch about.

    Happy Birthday, Nic! As a present: have you seen the stories, a version of which was published in the Washington Post, about how Stephen King’s son is convinced that the (still unidentified) Lady of the Dunes appears in a scene of the original Jaws?

  • Bethany

    Bethany Louisiana

    I’m only through episode one. Why would they “get away” without the car? Makes no sense to leave a note explaining they have left for Houston and then state in the note where the car is.

    I’m only through episode one. Why would they “get away” without the car? Makes no sense to leave a note explaining they have left for Houston and then state in the note where the car is.

  • Dan

    Dan UK

    Browsing through some old TX postmarks on google images and I see this ‘3B’ feature - https://goo.gl/images/PAsfZ9 - looks much more like it to me than a 8. No idea what the 3B would stand for though.

    Browsing through some old TX postmarks on google images and I see this ‘3B’ feature - https://goo.gl/images/PAsfZ9 - looks much more like it to me than a 8. No idea what the 3B would stand for though.

  • Stacy

    Stacy AR

    Rachel was 17 I know a lot of kids use slang could it possibly not be seee...and be sees.. I just know when I was in junior high instead of saying love you we said loves you so it could possibly be someone around the same age a female.. I never heard you guys mention that her husband actually dated her sister before they got married that may be on tonight's episode but I do know that that happened

    Rachel was 17 I know a lot of kids use slang could it possibly not be seee...and be sees.. I just know when I was in junior high instead of saying love you we said loves you so it could possibly be someone around the same age a female.. I never heard you guys mention that her husband actually dated her sister before they got married that may be on tonight's episode but I do know that that happened

  • Angela

    Angela Perrin, Texas

    With the growth of Weatherford, several years ago, the area had zip code changes. For instance, our zip code the whole time I was growing up was 76075. Now, it is 76486. I'm not sure how many years ago it changed but probably late 90s. I have been trying to research to see if Weatherford had that zip code then as it does now. Also, I worked for the post office many years ago. All mail dropped to mail in the office used to be hand stamped, manually. The dates had to be changed everyday but the zip code and town was standard on the stamp. LOVE your show, it is my #1 favorite!

    With the growth of Weatherford, several years ago, the area had zip code changes. For instance, our zip code the whole time I was growing up was 76075. Now, it is 76486. I'm not sure how many years ago it changed but probably late 90s. I have been trying to research to see if Weatherford had that zip code then as it does now. Also, I worked for the post office many years ago. All mail dropped to mail in the office used to be hand stamped, manually. The dates had to be changed everyday but the zip code and town was standard on the stamp. LOVE your show, it is my #1 favorite!

  • Dan

    Dan Parts Unknown

    Did you see anything regarding el dorado Jane Doe as part of your research? If so, do you think there is any connection with a human trafficking ring?

    Did you see anything regarding el dorado Jane Doe as part of your research? If so, do you think there is any connection with a human trafficking ring?

  • Michelle

    Michelle

    It looks like the handwriting on the envelope is different than the letter.

    It looks like the handwriting on the envelope is different than the letter.

  • Lisa

    Lisa Texas

    It seems I can remember when Weatherford added the zip code 76088 to the area. Was it a valid zip code in 1974?

    It seems I can remember when Weatherford added the zip code 76088 to the area. Was it a valid zip code in 1974?

  • Kelly

    Kelly Los Angeles, CA

    Such an interesting case! If the younger brother's theory is correct (I do not really think it is) but if then a reason Rachel may not try to "escape" her captor is that there could be a child or someone involved that is being threatened if she does anything to try and get away or alert someone. It just seems so unlikely that someone could abduct three girls right before Christmas at the busy mall unless one of the girls knew him/her and trusted them. But even then, if they were on a time crunch then at least Renee would probably not want to go anywhere with someone as might make her late. Unless maybe their car was disabled somehow.

    Such an interesting case! If the younger brother's theory is correct (I do not really think it is) but if then a reason Rachel may not try to "escape" her captor is that there could be a child or someone involved that is being threatened if she does anything to try and get away or alert someone. It just seems so unlikely that someone could abduct three girls right before Christmas at the busy mall unless one of the girls knew him/her and trusted them. But even then, if they were on a time crunch then at least Renee would probably not want to go anywhere with someone as might make her late. Unless maybe their car was disabled somehow.

  • Sarah

    Sarah Michigan

    Will you guys be posting an update after reports of the cars they found are released to the public?

    Will you guys be posting an update after reports of the cars they found are released to the public?

  • Robin

    Robin Virginia

    It's not hard to make the letter "R" like that. You don't need to pickup the pen, I sign my "R" like that quite often, start at the bottom, go up and loop and down.

    It's not hard to make the letter "R" like that. You don't need to pickup the pen, I sign my "R" like that quite often, start at the bottom, go up and loop and down.

  • Heather S

    Heather S Fort Worth, TX

    I grew up in Fort Worth, and although I was only 3 when these girls disappeared, I remember the Seminary South Mall very well. Just happened to see this article from our local newspaper. Apparently Rachel's brother, Rusty Arnold, has managed to get permission to search Benbrook Lake - it sounds like he's expecting to do it VERY SOON - like over the weekend. At some point, there were some vehicles found submerged in the lake, and Arnold believes one of those vehicles belongs to a person of interest. Gotta point out that the Fort Worth Police is not involved in this search. https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article218596135.html ~Heather ~H

    I grew up in Fort Worth, and although I was only 3 when these girls disappeared, I remember the Seminary South Mall very well. Just happened to see this article from our local newspaper. Apparently Rachel's brother, Rusty Arnold, has managed to get permission to search Benbrook Lake - it sounds like he's expecting to do it VERY SOON - like over the weekend. At some point, there were some vehicles found submerged in the lake, and Arnold believes one of those vehicles belongs to a person of interest. Gotta point out that the Fort Worth Police is not involved in this search. https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article218596135.html
    ~Heather
    ~H

  • Julie

    Julie Northern NY

    The e/l swirl at the end of the name- I have a lot of swirls in my name when I write it in cursive. I tend to just quickly scribble all the same size "e" type loops for every letter after the J. However, I DON'T try to fix the swirls because those I write notes to, like hubby, mom, children, all know my scribbled name. I only try to go over the letters and fix them if someone doesn't know my scribble. So, that says to me that I don't think Rachel wrote the letter. Her hubby would know her scribble. Teenage girls, if there were going to run away to a big city would NOT stop at the local mall to buy clothes. They would drive to their destination and buy clothes in the city. Teenage girls want cool things that their friends wouldn't have, thus clothes from a big city compared to the local stuff would be a big hit. Also, any teenager 14 or 17, going to run away from home would not take a nine-year-old because they're smart enough to know that the parents of the 9-year-old are going to be very eager to find her. As for the postal code, I think Nic is right. I worked at the post office, and am doubtful that any letter can be mailed one day and arrive at its destination the next day. It was probably just put into the mailbox by hand. You used to be able to take a letter to a post office and ask for a cancellation mark and then take the letter with you. Actually, you can get a cancellation stamp for a travel book or "autograph book" now (those are people who travel post office to post office just collecting the cancellation stamps. Weird, yes, but whatever.) Oh, and on the last note-- high school marriage. In 74 I was 13 (I'm a young 54, lol), I went to a small high school, but family members attended a larger school. In my school, by the time I graduated, there were four girls married before they graduated (not preggers). When I was in 8th grade, there were 3 of that year's senior class that married in a triple wedding. My cousins in the larger school said that during their four years in high school, they had so many girls married they couldn't keep count. The Vietnam war was "over" in 1975, and that accounted for a few of them I'm sure. Other than that, it wasn't unheard of for people to marry before leaving school. It wasn't a common thing, but it happened. Ok, sorry for the long post. I always listen to TCG and think of commenting and then I end up listening to the next issue and never comment. Thanks! julie

    The e/l swirl at the end of the name- I have a lot of swirls in my name when I write it in cursive. I tend to just quickly scribble all the same size "e" type loops for every letter after the J. However, I DON'T try to fix the swirls because those I write notes to, like hubby, mom, children, all know my scribbled name. I only try to go over the letters and fix them if someone doesn't know my scribble. So, that says to me that I don't think Rachel wrote the letter. Her hubby would know her scribble.

    Teenage girls, if there were going to run away to a big city would NOT stop at the local mall to buy clothes. They would drive to their destination and buy clothes in the city. Teenage girls want cool things that their friends wouldn't have, thus clothes from a big city compared to the local stuff would be a big hit.

    Also, any teenager 14 or 17, going to run away from home would not take a nine-year-old because they're smart enough to know that the parents of the 9-year-old are going to be very eager to find her.

    As for the postal code, I think Nic is right. I worked at the post office, and am doubtful that any letter can be mailed one day and arrive at its destination the next day. It was probably just put into the mailbox by hand. You used to be able to take a letter to a post office and ask for a cancellation mark and then take the letter with you. Actually, you can get a cancellation stamp for a travel book or "autograph book" now (those are people who travel post office to post office just collecting the cancellation stamps. Weird, yes, but whatever.)

    Oh, and on the last note-- high school marriage. In 74 I was 13 (I'm a young 54, lol), I went to a small high school, but family members attended a larger school. In my school, by the time I graduated, there were four girls married before they graduated (not preggers). When I was in 8th grade, there were 3 of that year's senior class that married in a triple wedding. My cousins in the larger school said that during their four years in high school, they had so many girls married they couldn't keep count. The Vietnam war was "over" in 1975, and that accounted for a few of them I'm sure. Other than that, it wasn't unheard of for people to marry before leaving school. It wasn't a common thing, but it happened.

    Ok, sorry for the long post. I always listen to TCG and think of commenting and then I end up listening to the next issue and never comment.

    Thanks! julie

  • Sarah Pollock

    Sarah Pollock Australia

    You guys are ace. I listen to you every morning on my drive to work. Nick you are so succinct and always sure to be clear with your thought and Captain, you make me laugh. Anyway.... So I have an idea about the letter. What if the abductors drove by the house the following morning and stole a recently delivered letter from the letterbox, discarded the original letter and replaced it with their own. This is obviously after having gotten the address of Rachel. That would explain the formality of the salutation (not being written by them). The 'Rachel' at the top of the envelope could be the author practicing signing off as Rachel in the same style writing . Maybe they had no other paper to practice on, then they stuffed it up by writing 'ee' and had to fix it. Idiots!

    You guys are ace. I listen to you every morning on my drive to work. Nick you are so succinct and always sure to be clear with your thought and Captain, you make me laugh. Anyway....
    So I have an idea about the letter. What if the abductors drove by the house the following morning and stole a recently delivered letter from the letterbox, discarded the original letter and replaced it with their own. This is obviously after having gotten the address of Rachel. That would explain the formality of the salutation (not being written by them). The 'Rachel' at the top of the envelope could be the author practicing signing off as Rachel in the same style writing . Maybe they had no other paper to practice on, then they stuffed it up by writing 'ee' and had to fix it. Idiots!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    @ Sarah, That is a possibility that I did not consider. It works because we have Tommy who can't say for sure if the envelope was seal or not. The tricky part... It's a random plan of action, they would need for there to have been mail delivered there, that day or left from the previous day. The envelope had no return address, not that I think they would have cared either way but this one didn't have one. Someone wrote Rachel in the top left corner. Possible and interesting thought though. Why would there only be a letter for Rachel???? This is a planned and thought out action, either by Rachel or an abductor(s). This is a good puzzle to think about... Cheers Nic

    @ Sarah,
    That is a possibility that I did not consider. It works because we have Tommy who can't say for sure if the envelope was seal or not. The tricky part... It's a random plan of action, they would need for there to have been mail delivered there, that day or left from the previous day. The envelope had no return address, not that I think they would have cared either way but this one didn't have one. Someone wrote Rachel in the top left corner. Possible and interesting thought though.
    Why would there only be a letter for Rachel???? This is a planned and thought out action, either by Rachel or an abductor(s). This is a good puzzle to think about...
    Cheers Nic

  • Camille

    Camille Battle Ground

    To me, the handwriting looks like someone pretending to write femininely but not knowing how to write in cursive really. I agree the Renee/Rachel mistake--as if the author couldn't remember which girl he/she was pretending to be.

    To me, the handwriting looks like someone pretending to write femininely but not knowing how to write in cursive really. I agree the Renee/Rachel mistake--as if the author couldn't remember which girl he/she was pretending to be.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    At Camille - you heard the Captain say the writing looks feminine. I didn't fully agree with that but what I will say is it doesn't not look feminine. The interesting thing you and the Captain present with that thought is if Rachel or one of the other two girls did not write the letter then if it is feminine then did the abductor(s) have the help of a woman/girl. hmmmm.... Nic

    At Camille - you heard the Captain say the writing looks feminine. I didn't fully agree with that but what I will say is it doesn't not look feminine. The interesting thing you and the Captain present with that thought is if Rachel or one of the other two girls did not write the letter then if it is feminine then did the abductor(s) have the help of a woman/girl.
    hmmmm.... Nic

  • Valorie

    Valorie Fort Worth

    Diving crews are pulling out 3 cars from Benbrook Lake right now with possible connection to the Fort Worth Trio.

    Diving crews are pulling out 3 cars from Benbrook Lake right now with possible connection to the Fort Worth Trio.

  • Phusilly

    Phusilly CA

    As far as remembering the facts later, even 5 years later, I think that the fact that it was two days before Christmas can add to it's credibility. For lots of people that day may stand out in their mind because it is thier last chance to shop before the holiday. For myself, if I saw something suspicious on my last chance to get my Christmas shopping done, it would be easier to recall accurately.

    As far as remembering the facts later, even 5 years later, I think that the fact that it was two days before Christmas can add to it's credibility. For lots of people that day may stand out in their mind because it is thier last chance to shop before the holiday. For myself, if I saw something suspicious on my last chance to get my Christmas shopping done, it would be easier to recall accurately.

  • Amber

    Amber The Old Line State

    Ole Sweet Honesty. Haha! Happy Birthday, Nic. You guys did a great job, as usual. This is a good one. Cheers.

    Ole Sweet Honesty. Haha! Happy Birthday, Nic. You guys did a great job, as usual. This is a good one. Cheers.

  • Val

    Val AZ

    I was thinking... The Bandidos biker gang was founded in Texas in the mid 60s and were active in Texas during the 70s. I was watching a true crime TV show awhile back and I remember them talking about biker gangs being involved in human trafficking. This angle is something that makes a lot of sense to me as a possibility of what could have happened to these girls. It would answer a lot of questions and fill in the gaps of things that don't add up without approaching it from this angle. I think when looking at many cold cases relating to abduction it can be easy to forget what a huge issue human trafficking is and has been for a very long time.

    I was thinking... The Bandidos biker gang was founded in Texas in the mid 60s and were active in Texas during the 70s. I was watching a true crime TV show awhile back and I remember them talking about biker gangs being involved in human trafficking. This angle is something that makes a lot of sense to me as a possibility of what could have happened to these girls. It would answer a lot of questions and fill in the gaps of things that don't add up without approaching it from this angle. I think when looking at many cold cases relating to abduction it can be easy to forget what a huge issue human trafficking is and has been for a very long time.

  • Sarah

    Sarah Indiana

    It really looks to me like the 9 year old wrote the letter. That would be about the age you start to learn cursive and there are nuianssances in the cursive that you would drop after a few years of school. There is no break in the letters with the apostrophe between them, which is how we are formally taught but you don’t really keep doing. Nobody continues to make an upper case ‘I’ or ‘T’ even in cursive the way we are formally taught. After elementary school, you may have to write in cursive but you are not held to the strict standards in middle or high school of technique. Also, a 9 year old may have recently learned about writing a letter. She would have been taught to use formal cursive for letters. These are all details that rarely are taken past elementary school. We may use cursive and write letters in cursive but you wouldn’t be able to follow the strict original teaching of each letter unless you use it often in that way or had just recently been taught. Also, the mistake of writing ‘ee’ At the end of Rachel could be a mistake of writing ‘ie’ as in Julie. A cursive ‘i’ has a similar feel in cursive to an ‘e.’ When she wrote the ‘e’ in Rachel her brain may have felt that motion go into an ‘e’ as in Julie. That would also explain the weird ‘R’ which may not have been used much. Such a sad case. Hope we get some answers!!!

    It really looks to me like the 9 year old wrote the letter. That would be about the age you start to learn cursive and there are nuianssances in the cursive that you would drop after a few years of school. There is no break in the letters with the apostrophe between them, which is how we are formally taught but you don’t really keep doing. Nobody continues to make an upper case ‘I’ or ‘T’ even in cursive the way we are formally taught. After elementary school, you may have to write in cursive but you are not held to the strict standards in middle or high school of technique. Also, a 9 year old may have recently learned about writing a letter. She would have been taught to use formal cursive for letters. These are all details that rarely are taken past elementary school. We may use cursive and write letters in cursive but you wouldn’t be able to follow the strict original teaching of each letter unless you use it often in that way or had just recently been taught. Also, the mistake of writing ‘ee’ At the end of Rachel could be a mistake of writing ‘ie’ as in Julie. A cursive ‘i’ has a similar feel in cursive to an ‘e.’ When she wrote the ‘e’ in Rachel her brain may have felt that motion go into an ‘e’ as in Julie. That would also explain the weird ‘R’ which may not have been used much.

    Such a sad case. Hope we get some answers!!!

  • GTAtchison

    GTAtchison

    @Sarah, Once a letter is post marked it should be delivered by the post office. I don't think you can have them post mark a letter and then deliver it yourself.

    @Sarah, Once a letter is post marked it should be delivered by the post office. I don't think you can have them post mark a letter and then deliver it yourself.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    we plan on running some updates on this case and some others on next Monday's stitcher premium show, Off the Record. We had a very interesting talk today about Books, Movies, YouTube and of course true crime on "OTR" today. I want to give a chance to see what they find on the vehicle pulled from Benbrook Lake. Cheers to all - Nic

    we plan on running some updates on this case and some others on next Monday's stitcher premium show, Off the Record. We had a very interesting talk today about Books, Movies, YouTube and of course true crime on "OTR" today.
    I want to give a chance to see what they find on the vehicle pulled from Benbrook Lake.
    Cheers to all - Nic

  • Jennifer

    Jennifer Ft Worth, TX

    The news the other day showed where the brother got a group of volunteers to pull cars out of Benbrook Lake. Benbrook is a suburb of the area. They think it might be one of the cars that belong to a suspect. It was very interesting to hear about this after just learning of the case on the podcast.

    The news the other day showed where the brother got a group of volunteers to pull cars out of Benbrook Lake. Benbrook is a suburb of the area. They think it might be one of the cars that belong to a suspect. It was very interesting to hear about this after just learning of the case on the podcast.

  • Shawnette

    Shawnette Fort Worth

    I think the note is the key to all of this...If it were written beforehand, how did they know what to write for location of car? If it were done after the girls were taken, that makes no sense since they would have their hands full with 3 girls and want to get away from the scene as soon as possible. So maybe the note was written beforehand and then Rachel was told by someone where to park the car so they could meet up? The note looks masculine to me as well and possibly crooked because someone was watching or helping write the note so it was turned sideways. And I agree with previous comment about Julie...Two teenagers may run away but not likely they would take a 9 year old with them because parents would surely call police. I think this 9 year old screwed up somebody's plan. Curious about the DNA on letter....They found none that matched databases...but were all the family members and suspects tested? Also, what about a postal handlers DNA? So if there was only foreign DNA, did they test the postal workers? And wouldn't Rachel's DNA be on the letter if she wrote it? Or Tommy's since he got it out of the mailbox?

    I think the note is the key to all of this...If it were written beforehand, how did they know what to write for location of car? If it were done after the girls were taken, that makes no sense since they would have their hands full with 3 girls and want to get away from the scene as soon as possible. So maybe the note was written beforehand and then Rachel was told by someone where to park the car so they could meet up? The note looks masculine to me as well and possibly crooked because someone was watching or helping write the note so it was turned sideways.
    And I agree with previous comment about Julie...Two teenagers may run away but not likely they would take a 9 year old with them because parents would surely call police. I think this 9 year old screwed up somebody's plan.
    Curious about the DNA on letter....They found none that matched databases...but were all the family members and suspects tested? Also, what about a postal handlers DNA? So if there was only foreign DNA, did they test the postal workers? And wouldn't Rachel's DNA be on the letter if she wrote it? Or Tommy's since he got it out of the mailbox?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Yes Jennifer we knew of the dive before hand and scheduled this case accordingly. We will have more info on this case on the next OTR. At Shawnette the info I found simply said they test the dna against dna of the three girls and databases. It’s unlikely that those databases included other family members. I’m strongly starting to question Tommy’s guilt/innocence... Nic

    Yes Jennifer we knew of the dive before hand and scheduled this case accordingly. We will have more info on this case on the next OTR.
    At Shawnette the info I found simply said they test the dna against dna of the three girls and databases. It’s unlikely that those databases included other family members. I’m strongly starting to question Tommy’s guilt/innocence...
    Nic

  • Elle

    Elle Ohio

    Just had a quick thing to say about the arrival of the letter. I grew up in a rural town about two hours away from Columbus, Ohio. My best friends lived in Columbus and we kept in touch through snail mail. We would often send the letter and the other would get it the next day. I had a lot of other pen pals and pretty much if they were within the State of Ohio we would get the letter the day after it was sent. I think it’s perfectly possible that the girls were abducted in the early afternoon and as long as the bad guy or gal dropped the letter in a box before the last pick up (can be as late as 6pm,) there is every reason in my mind, from personal experience over many years, to believe it could have arrived in the mail the very next day.

    Just had a quick thing to say about the arrival of the letter. I grew up in a rural town about two hours away from Columbus, Ohio. My best friends lived in Columbus and we kept in touch through snail mail. We would often send the letter and the other would get it the next day. I had a lot of other pen pals and pretty much if they were within the State of Ohio we would get the letter the day after it was sent. I think it’s perfectly possible that the girls were abducted in the early afternoon and as long as the bad guy or gal dropped the letter in a box before the last pick up (can be as late as 6pm,) there is every reason in my mind, from personal experience over many years, to believe it could have arrived in the mail the very next day.

  • Rebecca

    Rebecca Rochester, NY

    Love the pod!! With the vehicle recovery being done by a non-law enforcement entity, is there a chain of custody issue with anything recovered? Or is it treated as equivalent to volunteers combing woods and finding something? Is a private lab testing the vehicles or are they being turned over to LE? At this point I'm sure this is more for closure than for a conviction, but if the perp is still alive it may lead to a trial. You guys are amazing! Thank you for all you do!

    Love the pod!!

    With the vehicle recovery being done by a non-law enforcement entity, is there a chain of custody issue with anything recovered? Or is it treated as equivalent to volunteers combing woods and finding something? Is a private lab testing the vehicles or are they being turned over to LE? At this point I'm sure this is more for closure than for a conviction, but if the perp is still alive it may lead to a trial. You guys are amazing! Thank you for all you do!

  • Chris

    Chris Ohio

    I'd be curious to know how crowded and busy that "Sears upper lot" was that day. If its like tiered parking garages at malls in my area, the very top level (outside garage) or very bottom level (underground garage) are going to reliably have empty spots and be only sporadically active, even during the busy Christmas season. The most likely means by which they could have been forcefully abducted is if the wrong people crossed paths with them as they were returning to put shopping bags in the car (assuming this is the case, since the girls were spotted in the mall and the bagged gift was found inside the car). Do we know from what part of mall or parking lot the eyewitness reports involving the truck are based? If they left from the mall proper (and not from a perhaps quiet corner of the parking lot), the most likely scenario is that they were leaving with someone at least one of the older girls knew and trusted, and the departure seemed friendly and natural to passers-by. But even then, people would be all around to observe this, and possibly remember faces. Maybe I'm giving criminals too much credit, but this seems like it would read as blatantly risky even to the most naive douche canoe (a possible caveat being that whatever happened to them stemmed from some sort of accident, and that the perpetrators didn't plan for whatever unfolded, but something very bad did happen and they panicked). Anyhow, fascinating case and great show guys, as always!

    I'd be curious to know how crowded and busy that "Sears upper lot" was that day. If its like tiered parking garages at malls in my area, the very top level (outside garage) or very bottom level (underground garage) are going to reliably have empty spots and be only sporadically active, even during the busy Christmas season. The most likely means by which they could have been forcefully abducted is if the wrong people crossed paths with them as they were returning to put shopping bags in the car (assuming this is the case, since the girls were spotted in the mall and the bagged gift was found inside the car). Do we know from what part of mall or parking lot the eyewitness reports involving the truck are based? If they left from the mall proper (and not from a perhaps quiet corner of the parking lot), the most likely scenario is that they were leaving with someone at least one of the older girls knew and trusted, and the departure seemed friendly and natural to passers-by. But even then, people would be all around to observe this, and possibly remember faces. Maybe I'm giving criminals too much credit, but this seems like it would read as blatantly risky even to the most naive douche canoe (a possible caveat being that whatever happened to them stemmed from some sort of accident, and that the perpetrators didn't plan for whatever unfolded, but something very bad did happen and they panicked). Anyhow, fascinating case and great show guys, as always!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Chris I can’t say with 100% certainty but I believe the parking lot referenced by all of the eyewitness would have been the same or near their car. The later reported incident was a more detailed account and the witness specifically referenced the parking lot near the Sears store, so the same lot. Cheers Nic

    Chris I can’t say with 100% certainty but I believe the parking lot referenced by all of the eyewitness would have been the same or near their car. The later reported incident was a more detailed account and the witness specifically referenced the parking lot near the Sears store, so the same lot.
    Cheers Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Elle - we totally agree with you... either postmark from the cities we named would have been 45 minutes to 2 hours away from Fort Worth and very likely what you said is how it happened. Mailed late in the day and delivered the next. Cheers Nic and the Captain

    Elle - we totally agree with you... either postmark from the cities we named would have been 45 minutes to 2 hours away from Fort Worth and very likely what you said is how it happened. Mailed late in the day and delivered the next.
    Cheers Nic and the Captain

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Good question Rebecca- it is a private dive. It might be LE testing the vehicles, I’m not sure. LE is interesting in helping but not with the dive. The city deemed it too expensive and more importantly too dangerous. The team that took it On agrees and recognizes the danger of pulling these vehicles out. I believe they recovered a pick up truck... I know that they are looking for a car. We will talk about this on Off The Record...

    Good question Rebecca- it is a private dive. It might be LE testing the vehicles, I’m not sure. LE is interesting in helping but not with the dive. The city deemed it too expensive and more importantly too dangerous. The team that took it On agrees and recognizes the danger of pulling these vehicles out. I believe they recovered a pick up truck... I know that they are looking for a car. We will talk about this on Off The Record...

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Yes the dive happened and they recovered one of the vehicles. As I understand it, they were interested in two of three vehicles found down there. They are working to go back out and get the other vehicle. It’s a old sports car that they are looking for. It magically disappeared the same time the girls did. I hope they find it. Cheers Nic

    Yes the dive happened and they recovered one of the vehicles. As I understand it, they were interested in two of three vehicles found down there. They are working to go back out and get the other vehicle. It’s a old sports car that they are looking for. It magically disappeared the same time the girls did.
    I hope they find it. Cheers Nic

  • Aspen

    Aspen New Hampshire

    One of the best cases yet! I fell a few episodes behind and just finished it now but wanted to remark that it was a stellar episode, guys. I agree with everyone else who commented about the letter writer's knowledge of the car's location. Strange. It does raise Tommy in my mind as a suspect.

    One of the best cases yet! I fell a few episodes behind and just finished it now but wanted to remark that it was a stellar episode, guys. I agree with everyone else who commented about the letter writer's knowledge of the car's location. Strange. It does raise Tommy in my mind as a suspect.

  • Natasha

    Natasha Australia

    The only hand loaded part of any stamp is the 'date, month, year' section. No official postmark stamp would be misprinted, - not good business for the creator of the stamp if they can't even put the numerical sequence the right way around. If you look at older stamps, there are two variations. One style had the date section inside and that would be adjusted, but the Post Office area code would be impressed in the metal surrounding the date and that was a permanent setting. The other version is two stamps. One for the post mark stamp, and a separate stamp for date that was imprinted into the center after the post mark stamp was used. So the natural observation then is that the post mark stamp was possibly worn, and/or didn't have enough ink applied on the stamp. Bearing in mind that sometimes six impressions on envelopes would be applied before re-inking the stamp, this is entirely possible.

    The only hand loaded part of any stamp is the 'date, month, year' section. No official postmark stamp would be misprinted, - not good business for the creator of the stamp if they can't even put the numerical sequence the right way around. If you look at older stamps, there are two variations. One style had the date section inside and that would be adjusted, but the Post Office area code would be impressed in the metal surrounding the date and that was a permanent setting. The other version is two stamps. One for the post mark stamp, and a separate stamp for date that was imprinted into the center after the post mark stamp was used. So the natural observation then is that the post mark stamp was possibly worn, and/or didn't have enough ink applied on the stamp. Bearing in mind that sometimes six impressions on envelopes would be applied before re-inking the stamp, this is entirely possible.

  • Scott

    Scott Winterstein

    I have a few theories. I find that it was strange that the brother of the 9 year old missing girl, says he does not want to go to the mall with his GF who he that morning gave a promise ring to vow his love to forever he was going to visit a sick friend (sounds a bit romantic and out of place) Then also in Debras statement she says she is staying home after being asked to go to the mall by Debra her younger sister because she was sick. (just a lot of sick coincidences being used as alibi that morning as to why they did not want to go to the mall) So I then also know that Rachel does not know the 9 year old or her brother aka Wilson girls boyfriend. (so Rachel or Debra could have went to pickup Wilson girl and only Wilson would know that, the 9 year old girl was obviously not supposed to be with them) So what if Rachel are in a car and goes to pick up Wilson. The now 3 are in the car. Rachel drives back to her house after the mall to grab a forgotten thing or suspects her sisters sickness was a way to be alone with x bf and Rachel catches them in the act by stopping home on the way back first... and there is a situation that occurred that kills the 9 yo or Wilson or Rachel is killed and the little 9 year old and Wilson are witnesses... I feel this is a way more likely. My other theory is that some one at the Army Navy store said yes they came here at a way earlier time and picked up the layaway pants and left... But in fact they stopped by after the mall and the person at that Army Navy store who had obviously known Rachel since she purchased a layaway and when she arrived later this person has an opportunity over hears them say they were in a hurry and just left the mall... girls talking and chatting... and knows all he has to do is kidnap these girls get that car found at the mall with the pants and just switched the time... alibi checks out... pants are in the car (note the pants are in the trunk. The presents they purchased are in the car on the seat or where they went as they get into the car after leaving the mall two very different places to put items by the same persons.) Suspect that Husband and Debra (on top of not one of them willing to submit to polygraphs is a big red flag) also the relationship between the 3 is only supported by him and her. The letter could have been used as a red herring by Debra and husband or the other suspect at Army Navy store since the letter could have been in created by the kidnappers who simply drove to Throckmorton maybe even with the girls and mailed it. Or utilised by husband and Debra . Husband and Rachel's father are on a roof waiting with the car the 23rd. Husband could have at any time dropped the letter off. Also the big red flag is that the address is clearly written by an older person with a very different style than the note. The person who sent that mail sent him a card... that person also knows this. That person lives in either Weatherford or Throckmorton at the time and since he says he could not remember if it was sealed again another big red flag. Both of these suspects along with the Army Navy store make perfect sense and fill motive opportunity and means. The only thing about Debra and Rachel's husband is how they kill 3 people fast enough to pull it off and why go that extreme???? This brings me to my conclusion that the girls were kidnapped by that Army Navy store in a crime of opportunity or even was in partner with Debra and or husband to kill or be kidnapped was just after Rachel expecting just Rachel to be there and goes out to find 2 girls in the car waiting on Rachel.... or was after all of them. My money is on the Army Navy store... or something really made a 21 year old and a 19 year old murder a sister... and a freind and a 9 year old... what could be that bad? Thoughts?

    I have a few theories.
    I find that it was strange that the brother of the 9 year old missing girl, says he does not want to go to the mall with his GF who he that morning gave a promise ring to vow his love to forever he was going to visit a sick friend (sounds a bit romantic and out of place)
    Then also in Debras statement she says she is staying home after being asked to go to the mall by Debra her younger sister because she was sick. (just a lot of sick coincidences being used as alibi that morning as to why they did not want to go to the mall)
    So I then also know that Rachel does not know the 9 year old or her brother aka Wilson girls boyfriend. (so Rachel or Debra could have went to pickup Wilson girl and only Wilson would know that, the 9 year old girl was obviously not supposed to be with them)
    So what if Rachel are in a car and goes to pick up Wilson. The now 3 are in the car.
    Rachel drives back to her house after the mall to grab a forgotten thing or suspects her sisters sickness was a way to be alone with x bf and Rachel catches them in the act by stopping home on the way back first... and there is a situation that occurred that kills the 9 yo or Wilson or Rachel is killed and the little 9 year old and Wilson are witnesses...
    I feel this is a way more likely.
    My other theory is that some one at the Army Navy store said yes they came here at a way earlier time and picked up the layaway pants and left...
    But in fact they stopped by after the mall and the person at that Army Navy store who had obviously known Rachel since she purchased a layaway and when she arrived later this person has an opportunity over hears them say they were in a hurry and just left the mall... girls talking and chatting... and knows all he has to do is kidnap these girls get that car found at the mall with the pants and just switched the time... alibi checks out... pants are in the car (note the pants are in the trunk. The presents they purchased are in the car on the seat or where they went as they get into the car after leaving the mall two very different places to put items by the same persons.)

    Suspect that Husband and Debra (on top of not one of them willing to submit to polygraphs is a big red flag) also the relationship between the 3 is only supported by him and her.

    The letter could have been used as a red herring by Debra and husband or the other suspect at Army Navy store since the letter could have been in created by the kidnappers who simply drove to Throckmorton maybe even with the girls and mailed it. Or utilised by husband and Debra . Husband and Rachel's father are on a roof waiting with the car the 23rd. Husband could have at any time dropped the letter off.
    Also the big red flag is that the address is clearly written by an older person with a very different style than the note. The person who sent that mail sent him a card... that person also knows this. That person lives in either Weatherford or Throckmorton at the time and since he says he could not remember if it was sealed again another big red flag.
    Both of these suspects along with the Army Navy store make perfect sense and fill motive opportunity and means.
    The only thing about Debra and Rachel's husband is how they kill 3 people fast enough to pull it off and why go that extreme????
    This brings me to my conclusion that the girls were kidnapped by that Army Navy store in a crime of opportunity or even was in partner with Debra and or husband to kill or be kidnapped was just after Rachel expecting just Rachel to be there and goes out to find 2 girls in the car waiting on Rachel.... or was after all of them.
    My money is on the Army Navy store... or something really made a 21 year old and a 19 year old murder a sister... and a freind and a 9 year old... what could be that bad?
    Thoughts?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Hi Scott - unfortunately I do lean toward a strange abduction or crime of of opportunity. I lean that way because I do believe a husband and /or sister killing Rachel plus two is very extreme for any motive either or both could have. Unless something went wrong, very wrong and the other two were killed to cover up the first unintended murder. This would be a similar theory offered up by John Douglas regarding the 3 boys in the West Memphis 3 case. Thanks for your thoughts, interesting stuff. Cheers Nic

    Hi Scott - unfortunately I do lean toward a strange abduction or crime of of opportunity. I lean that way because I do believe a husband and /or sister killing Rachel plus two is very extreme for any motive either or both could have. Unless something went wrong, very wrong and the other two were killed to cover up the first unintended murder. This would be a similar theory offered up by John Douglas regarding the 3 boys in the West Memphis 3 case.
    Thanks for your thoughts, interesting stuff.
    Cheers Nic

  • Melissa

    Melissa Fort Worth

    Doesn't add up " Why would the killers / kidnappers send or leave a note , unless for Ransom money ? I wouldn't think it would matter , they already had the girls. No Ransom money was asked for . I do believe w it was the Husband and Sister . I don't think they knew the 9 year old was with them . I also believe the Husband and or sister sent the letter to themselves to cover themselves. I think the girls dropped the gifts off at the car and found the Husband there waiting for them . I feel there was enough time in the day left before 4pm and they went with him . I don't know where Tommy" was during this though . Just my thoughts! Should someone kidnap kids with a mission to hurt or sell them , they wouldn't care if the parents knew by leaving a letter to the husband. I'm just saying

    Doesn't add up " Why would the killers / kidnappers send or leave a note , unless for Ransom money ? I wouldn't think it would matter , they already had the girls. No Ransom money was asked for . I do believe w it was the Husband and Sister . I don't think they knew the 9 year old was with them . I also believe the Husband and or sister sent the letter to themselves to cover themselves. I think the girls dropped the gifts off at the car and found the Husband there waiting for them . I feel there was enough time in the day left before 4pm and they went with him . I don't know where Tommy" was during this though . Just my thoughts! Should someone kidnap kids with a mission to hurt or sell them , they wouldn't care if the parents knew by leaving a letter to the husband. I'm just saying

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Interesting stuff Melissa... Where was Tommy and who can vouch for his whereabouts? Excellent question! Where was his action too? We discussed others flying into action when it is discovered that the three are missing. So where is Tommy's action. Cheers - Nic

    Interesting stuff Melissa...
    Where was Tommy and who can vouch for his whereabouts? Excellent question!
    Where was his action too? We discussed others flying into action when it is discovered that the three are missing. So where is Tommy's action.
    Cheers - Nic

  • Jen

    Jen Canada

    It makes zero sense to presume that the girls had planned to run away, for a week, and decided what the hell, we'll just take this little girl with us. It also makes no sense that they would invite other people if they were not planning to return. I agree that the letters purpose was probably an attempt to make people believe they had chosen to leave. If there was only one captor, then perhaps the reason only one letter was sent is because you can only disguise your handwriting so much. Trying to write three letters with different handwriting would be impossible. I find it implausible that Rachel returns to the area every Christmas. Even if she is a victim of some kind of Stockholm Syndrome, the captor would have to be a moron to parade her around town and expect no one to notice.

    It makes zero sense to presume that the girls had planned to run away, for a week, and decided what the hell, we'll just take this little girl with us. It also makes no sense that they would invite other people if they were not planning to return. I agree that the letters purpose was probably an attempt to make people believe they had chosen to leave. If there was only one captor, then perhaps the reason only one letter was sent is because you can only disguise your handwriting so much. Trying to write three letters with different handwriting would be impossible. I find it implausible that Rachel returns to the area every Christmas. Even if she is a victim of some kind of Stockholm Syndrome, the captor would have to be a moron to parade her around town and expect no one to notice.

  • Gail

    Gail Texoma

    Tommy was at the shop in Arlington working . Rachels Dad picked Tommy up for work (because they only had one car) so his wife could use their only car to go do some Christmas shopping. Rachel's Dad worked in the office that day while Tommy worked on cars . At the end of the day Tommy was driven home by Rachel's Dad. He took a shower and got dressed to go bowling . Debra (sister in law) drove Tommy to the bowling alley to play on the league. While bowling he received a call from Rachel's Mother letting him know that they can't find the girls. Also informing him Debra was coming back to get him and bring him to the mall. Shortly after Tommy's arrival he was TOLD TO GO HOME BY LE to wait by the phone just in case they called. ... So that's where Tommy was at and that's what Tommy was doing!

    Tommy was at the shop in Arlington working . Rachels Dad picked Tommy up for work (because they only had one car) so his wife could use their only car to go do some Christmas shopping.
    Rachel's Dad worked in the office that day while Tommy worked on cars . At the end of the day Tommy was driven home by Rachel's Dad. He took a shower and got dressed to go bowling .
    Debra (sister in law) drove Tommy to the bowling alley to play on the league. While bowling he received a call from Rachel's Mother letting him know that they can't find the girls. Also informing him Debra was coming back to get him and bring him to the mall.
    Shortly after Tommy's arrival he was TOLD TO GO HOME BY LE
    to wait by the phone just in case they called.
    ... So that's where Tommy was at and that's what Tommy was doing!

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    True Crime Garage

    Thank you Gail! Nic

    Thank you Gail!
    Nic

  • Sue

    Sue Tx

    I think that Rusty is taking people for a ride... look at all the money and interviews .He has known about the cars for a few yrs And he know what is down there but he bring up 2 that has no bearings on the missing 3 so money is running low again So he’s now gonna bring up 3 car I ask you if you really wanted to find your Sister would you wait really if he thought this case could be solved by bring these cars up he would have done it already.also if you are on the FB site and you ask where the money goes you will be DELETED.its kinda like a cult page if you don’t Hale to the king(Rusty) you get the boot So much information not being told about the Arnold family it’s a shame it really is People have put the husband as a killer without any evidence think what if it was you Thanks for letting put my 2cents in

    I think that Rusty is taking people for a ride... look at all the money and interviews .He has known about the cars for a few yrs
    And he know what is down there but he bring up 2 that has no bearings on the missing 3 so money is running low again
    So he’s now gonna bring up 3 car I ask you if you really wanted to find your Sister would you wait really if he thought this case could be solved by bring these cars up he would have done it already.also if you are on the FB site and you ask where the money goes you will be DELETED.its kinda like a cult page if you don’t Hale to the king(Rusty) you get the boot
    So much information not being told about the Arnold family it’s a shame it really is
    People have put the husband as a killer without any evidence think what if it was you
    Thanks for letting put my 2cents in

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