The Murder of Aliza Sherman //////

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  • C Brooks

    C Brooks

    That is a female and left hand appears to be holding towards the chest like they are holding onto the weapon that they have slid into an interior pocket. Like you do if you are running and trying to keep someth8ng from moving. It would also explain the weird gate and strange movements of the right arm as it is not natural to run while holding one arm to your chest.

    That is a female and left hand appears to be holding towards the chest like they are holding onto the weapon that they have slid into an interior pocket. Like you do if you are running and trying to keep someth8ng from moving. It would also explain the weird gate and strange movements of the right arm as it is not natural to run while holding one arm to your chest.

  • Rachael

    Rachael Texas

    I really feel like this is a female trying to gear up to look like a male. Both angles look like a female to me. Sounds weird but when this person is running toward the camera you can see how small the feet are compared to the pant leg. So either a male with tiny feet and runs like a girl or a female

    I really feel like this is a female trying to gear up to look like a male. Both angles look like a female to me. Sounds weird but when this person is running toward the camera you can see how small the feet are compared to the pant leg. So either a male with tiny feet and runs like a girl or a female

  • Laura

    Laura New Hampshire

    I was listening to the podcast when I checked out this video. I noticed that it seems to be a female????

    I was listening to the podcast when I checked out this video. I noticed that it seems to be a female????

  • B

    B Parts Unknown

    I've only listed to Part 1, I'm only going to comment on the video (I know you're all waiting for my thoughts). My first thought was a that it is a woman (or that I had Missy Beavers fever) and I do agree they appear to be petite. If you compare them to the newspaper stand by the wall, they appear to be maybe around 5'5". I'm really just making that up but it seems reasonable. They are holding their left arm unusually high up. They could be hiding the weapon or an injury but you would think that they would have their hand in their pocket, and that doesn't look like what's happening. My thought is that they are either holding the top of the jacket shut, holding the hood so it doesn't fly off (which I do a lot) or perhaps holding a scarf of ski mask over their face. The hood doesn't seem particularly tight but it doesn't seem to be moving too much. If you look closely at the top of their face as they are running out of frame, you can see some skin. That makes me think they are wearing a scarf and holding their hood. I too initially thought there was a limp but I think it's a combo of the camera quality, the person trying to run with one hand occupied and probably scanning everything around them while having most of their face blocked. They may not have had a good escape plan either, which could lead to some janky looking running. I can't tell how fast they are running, they may be doing a half run so they can switch to walking at a moments notice and look natural. I've run in this manner before during hospital emergencies, you can't full on sprint, you're holding things in place with one hand and you need to be able to stop at a moments notice to grab something or not run someone over. They could be flailing their right arm for a couple of reasons; they are keeping their balance while scanning the area while also being flustered or they are exhausted from just murdering someone so they are using all of what little energy they have left to run.

    I've only listed to Part 1, I'm only going to comment on the video (I know you're all waiting for my thoughts).

    My first thought was a that it is a woman (or that I had Missy Beavers fever) and I do agree they appear to be petite. If you compare them to the newspaper stand by the wall, they appear to be maybe around 5'5". I'm really just making that up but it seems reasonable.

    They are holding their left arm unusually high up. They could be hiding the weapon or an injury but you would think that they would have their hand in their pocket, and that doesn't look like what's happening. My thought is that they are either holding the top of the jacket shut, holding the hood so it doesn't fly off (which I do a lot) or perhaps holding a scarf of ski mask over their face. The hood doesn't seem particularly tight but it doesn't seem to be moving too much. If you look closely at the top of their face as they are running out of frame, you can see some skin. That makes me think they are wearing a scarf and holding their hood.

    I too initially thought there was a limp but I think it's a combo of the camera quality, the person trying to run with one hand occupied and probably scanning everything around them while having most of their face blocked. They may not have had a good escape plan either, which could lead to some janky looking running. I can't tell how fast they are running, they may be doing a half run so they can switch to walking at a moments notice and look natural. I've run in this manner before during hospital emergencies, you can't full on sprint, you're holding things in place with one hand and you need to be able to stop at a moments notice to grab something or not run someone over. They could be flailing their right arm for a couple of reasons; they are keeping their balance while scanning the area while also being flustered or they are exhausted from just murdering someone so they are using all of what little energy they have left to run.

  • Penny White

    Penny White Brisbane

    Defs a chick

    Defs a chick

  • JTallroth

    JTallroth

    To me this is a female. I can’t give any evidence to substantiate this, it’s just obvious to me and I can’t say why. The arm which is held close to the body might very well be holdin something close to the body, outside or under the coat. I however think that the person sustained some know nd of injury either to the arm or to the body. Might be as simple as she/he cut her/himself, strained a muscle, got a punch to the ribs or something. This would also, to me, explain the ‘limp’. My theory is that she hurt herself during the attack and therefore are in pain which makes her clutch her arm to the body and running in a stumbling way. I tried to enhance the video to see if I could make out anything of the face but even if I lighten the frames in different ways the face stays totally black and without any features. It doesn’t matter how much I manipulated the images, there’s just no image information to get, it’s totally black. I believe that she/he must have had her/his face covered, including the eyes, with at least some kind of semi transparent ‘mask’ like a dark nylon stocking or something. My thoughts after two episodes... //@jtallroth

    To me this is a female. I can’t give any evidence to substantiate this, it’s just obvious to me and I can’t say why.
    The arm which is held close to the body might very well be holdin something close to the body, outside or under the coat. I however think that the person sustained some know nd of injury either to the arm or to the body. Might be as simple as she/he cut her/himself, strained a muscle, got a punch to the ribs or something. This would also, to me, explain the ‘limp’. My theory is that she hurt herself during the attack and therefore are in pain which makes her clutch her arm to the body and running in a stumbling way. I tried to enhance the video to see if I could make out anything of the face but even if I lighten the frames in different ways the face stays totally black and without any features. It doesn’t matter how much I manipulated the images, there’s just no image information to get, it’s totally black. I believe that she/he must have had her/his face covered, including the eyes, with at least some kind of semi transparent ‘mask’ like a dark nylon stocking or something. My thoughts after two episodes...
    //@jtallroth

  • Renee

    Renee Cleveland

    Hi from the scene of the crime (Cleveland). Just my input - this was a planned "perfect crime". I think the suspect worked in the downtown area so there wouldn't be suspicion on their whereabouts if they were asked. 5:30 is prime time for people leaving work. In my opinion, the person in the video probably did not need that coat for warmth as much as they did for disguise. I would imagine they disposed of the jacket (perhaps the rest of the outfit, too) to reveal their every day-business casual clothes. This leads me to believe that the attorney had their hand in it... Did they purposely plan the meeting to take place at this time? I would be curious to know what was on Mr. Moore's agenda for the rest of the day... Perhaps he knew this appointment was never going to take place? While I do not work in the downtown area, it is a little eerie to know this person could potentially still be wandering around "The Land". Can't wait to hear episode 3 and 4!

    Hi from the scene of the crime (Cleveland). Just my input - this was a planned "perfect crime". I think the suspect worked in the downtown area so there wouldn't be suspicion on their whereabouts if they were asked. 5:30 is prime time for people leaving work. In my opinion, the person in the video probably did not need that coat for warmth as much as they did for disguise. I would imagine they disposed of the jacket (perhaps the rest of the outfit, too) to reveal their every day-business casual clothes. This leads me to believe that the attorney had their hand in it... Did they purposely plan the meeting to take place at this time? I would be curious to know what was on Mr. Moore's agenda for the rest of the day... Perhaps he knew this appointment was never going to take place? While I do not work in the downtown area, it is a little eerie to know this person could potentially still be wandering around "The Land". Can't wait to hear episode 3 and 4!

  • Jessica

    Jessica Duxbury MA

    (1) I see a limp -whoever it is is favoring the gimpy leg for sure (2) it seems to me to be a woman! (3) He/she is definitely hiding the face - they must know there are cameras

    (1) I see a limp -whoever it is is favoring the gimpy leg for sure
    (2) it seems to me to be a woman!
    (3) He/she is definitely hiding the face - they must know there are cameras

  • Timesha

    Timesha

    This suspect is definitely a woman. I would say the height is 5'3 - 5'5. I don't think she's carrying a weapon. When I'm running in the house out of the cold, I look just like that. Either one hand in my pocket or tucked close to my body and the other swinging. I also don't think there's a mask or anything. It looks like the person is wearing a scarf. I don't think she's wearing men's clothing either. Most middle aged women wear clothing that is slightly too big.

    This suspect is definitely a woman. I would say the height is 5'3 - 5'5. I don't think she's carrying a weapon. When I'm running in the house out of the cold, I look just like that. Either one hand in my pocket or tucked close to my body and the other swinging. I also don't think there's a mask or anything. It looks like the person is wearing a scarf. I don't think she's wearing men's clothing either. Most middle aged women wear clothing that is slightly too big.

  • Robin

    Robin Alexandria, VA

    It really does look like a woman to me.

    It really does look like a woman to me.

  • kim

    kim North huntingdon PA

    Looks like a female running. Small feet too.

    Looks like a female running. Small feet too.

  • KJ

    KJ Seattle

    That is a female IMO.

    That is a female IMO.

  • kim

    kim North huntingdon PA

    Ok still reviewing the video. Have they looked at the footage from the camera above the word park? Coat is too big and looks like a man's coat. The hand movement seems like the way a female would hold her arm and hand when running. Jeans tapered at the bottom indicates a females pair of jeans. They can also tell by the stab wounds whether the person doing the stabbing is taller, shorter or around the same height as the victim. Puncture wounds. Doesn't seem like anyone was in that parked car. The purp just ran by, not glancing at the car. Looking forward to the other 3 podcasts.

    Ok still reviewing the video. Have they looked at the footage from the camera above the word park?

    Coat is too big and looks like a man's coat. The hand movement seems like the way a female would hold her arm and hand when running. Jeans tapered at the bottom indicates a females pair of jeans.

    They can also tell by the stab wounds whether the person doing the stabbing is taller, shorter or around the same height as the victim. Puncture wounds.

    Doesn't seem like anyone was in that parked car. The purp just ran by, not glancing at the car.

    Looking forward to the other 3 podcasts.

  • Helen Patterson

    Helen Patterson Kansas

    If you look at 7.5 ish seconds I think you can see a white forehead.

    If you look at 7.5 ish seconds I think you can see a white forehead.

  • John

    John Atlanta

    At first glance, I agree with Cap that it looks like a chick. Or, a dude who is injured, old, or terribly out of shape.

    At first glance, I agree with Cap that it looks like a chick. Or, a dude who is injured, old, or terribly out of shape.

  • Reb

    Reb DC

    My bosses hate you, because once again I'm staring at grainy video instead of racking up billable hours. That being said... I think it is a chick. The thing that strikes me the most is the size of the feet/shoes. They are tiny! I am also of the opinion that the person is carrying something under their left arm. Finally, using the car and other things as a point of reference, this person is really short. I'm 5'5"(ish) and this person seems to align with the car, signs, etc. much lower than I would. Can't wait for the next two episodes. I had never heard of this case!

    My bosses hate you, because once again I'm staring at grainy video instead of racking up billable hours. That being said...
    I think it is a chick. The thing that strikes me the most is the size of the feet/shoes. They are tiny!
    I am also of the opinion that the person is carrying something under their left arm.
    Finally, using the car and other things as a point of reference, this person is really short. I'm 5'5"(ish) and this person seems to align with the car, signs, etc. much lower than I would.
    Can't wait for the next two episodes. I had never heard of this case!

  • Brad

    Brad Houston

    To me, it does look like a female when it shows the suspect running from behind. And it looks like rain gear the suspect is wearing.

    To me, it does look like a female when it shows the suspect running from behind. And it looks like rain gear the suspect is wearing.

  • Chelsea

    Chelsea Dallas, Texas

    This is a woman wearing a coat. I don't think she is limping - I think that's just the pixels. If you watch the feet, they seem to be running just fine. Notice their arm - that's the way a woman would run. Just the way they are running and holding their arm out for balance - men don't run like that.

    This is a woman wearing a coat. I don't think she is limping - I think that's just the pixels. If you watch the feet, they seem to be running just fine. Notice their arm - that's the way a woman would run. Just the way they are running and holding their arm out for balance - men don't run like that.

  • Chelsea

    Chelsea

    This is a woman. Notice the way they are running and holding out their arm - that's the way a woman runs. She is trying to run but not too fast. That's a coat - not a hoodie. I think it's pretty obvious that it's a woman.

    This is a woman. Notice the way they are running and holding out their arm - that's the way a woman runs. She is trying to run but not too fast. That's a coat - not a hoodie. I think it's pretty obvious that it's a woman.

  • Gloria

    Gloria New jersey

    I think it looks female in both directions

    I think it looks female in both directions

  • Angie

    Angie South Carolina

    I think this is a woman in the video - just the way they are running with their arm stretched out on the left......Just my opinion.....

    I think this is a woman in the video - just the way they are running with their arm stretched out on the left......Just my opinion.....

  • Louis

    Louis Ottawa

    I'm listening to the podcast right now, after watching the video, I'm guessing this is someone wearing a jacket that's too big for them. It looks like someone who's trying to keep check on their sleeve for a jacket that's way too big for them (woman wearing a man's jacket perhaps?).

    I'm listening to the podcast right now, after watching the video, I'm guessing this is someone wearing a jacket that's too big for them. It looks like someone who's trying to keep check on their sleeve for a jacket that's way too big for them (woman wearing a man's jacket perhaps?).

  • Nicole

    Nicole California

    I really feel like this is a woman. It kind of looks like she’s wearing flared jeans, which makes me think she might be slightly older, since that style was pretty much out for younger women by 2013. It kind of looks like she’s also holding Something under her left arm. Could be a black purse or a bag, maybe the knife in a bag? I also had a thought that maybe she’s wearing slightly heeled boots. Her shoes don’t look big or clunky, they look almost squared, like fashionable winter boots, which could account for the odd-looking saunter. But it also kind of looks like she slows down; like she was running very fast at first and then slowed down into more of a half-run/ walk, which could make it look like she’s limping. But to me, this person is running very fast in the first clip; faster than anyone with a limp could, in my opinion. ALSO, running while pumping with only one arm (since the person is holding something), could put you slightly off balance

    I really feel like this is a woman. It kind of looks like she’s wearing flared jeans, which makes me think she might be slightly older, since that style was pretty much out for younger women by 2013. It kind of looks like she’s also holding Something under her left arm. Could be a black purse or a bag, maybe the knife in a bag? I also had a thought that maybe she’s wearing slightly heeled boots. Her shoes don’t look big or clunky, they look almost squared, like fashionable winter boots, which could account for the odd-looking saunter. But it also kind of looks like she slows down; like she was running very fast at first and then slowed down into more of a half-run/ walk, which could make it look like she’s limping. But to me, this person is running very fast in the first clip; faster than anyone with a limp could, in my opinion. ALSO, running while pumping with only one arm (since the person is holding something), could put you slightly off balance

  • Emily

    Emily Baltimore

    Suspect definitely looks like a woman to me. I would guess her height between 5'2" and 5'4." I think she's middle-aged, between 40-55 years. Her coat appears to be navy blue, and she's dressed in the most non-descript way possible. The clothes appear a little oversize but not remarkably so. I think she's a bit overweight. She looks uncoordinated; her gait is definitely off. (To say she's running is generous.) I agree: She seems to be hiding the knife under her arm as she makes her way from the scene of the crime. Her face appears to be completely covered by dark fabric -- no flesh is exposed and no features are recognizable. Questions: Did the husband have a mistress? If so, has she been tracked down? Also, have the victim's co-workers been investigated? My hunch is this was a murder-for-hire...with the husband doing the hiring. He had a lot at stake with the impending divorce (sounds like motive). I would think he would hire someone pretty tangential to the couple. If the husband made frequent trips to New York and Florida, maybe it's an acquaintance he made in those states? The murderer could have traveled to Cleveland, killed the victim and gone right back home. Love the show!

    Suspect definitely looks like a woman to me. I would guess her height between 5'2" and 5'4." I think she's middle-aged, between 40-55 years. Her coat appears to be navy blue, and she's dressed in the most non-descript way possible. The clothes appear a little oversize but not remarkably so. I think she's a bit overweight. She looks uncoordinated; her gait is definitely off. (To say she's running is generous.)
    I agree: She seems to be hiding the knife under her arm as she makes her way from the scene of the crime. Her face appears to be completely covered by dark fabric -- no flesh is exposed and no features are recognizable.

    Questions: Did the husband have a mistress? If so, has she been tracked down? Also, have the victim's co-workers been investigated?

    My hunch is this was a murder-for-hire...with the husband doing the hiring. He had a lot at stake with the impending divorce (sounds like motive). I would think he would hire someone pretty tangential to the couple. If the husband made frequent trips to New York and Florida, maybe it's an acquaintance he made in those states? The murderer could have traveled to Cleveland, killed the victim and gone right back home.

    Love the show!

  • memorgan7163@gmail.cinnM

    memorgan7163@gmail.cinnM

    Sounds like white trash. Where is the mystery?

    Sounds like white trash. Where is the mystery?

  • Kelly

    Kelly Garland, TX

    I definitely agree the person appears to be a female. At right around 8 seconds you can see part of a face peek out from the hood. I think the jacket was definitely oversized on this person

    I definitely agree the person appears to be a female. At right around 8 seconds you can see part of a face peek out from the hood. I think the jacket was definitely oversized on this person

  • Reb

    Reb DC

    Tonight I was running towards the metro in a relatively heavy coat and carrying a relatively small purse and I stopped dead in my tracks for a second. I realized I was trotting EXACTLY like this woman because I was instinctively holding on to the strap of my purse over my left shoulder with my left hand and was swinging my right arm like the video. If she was carrying a shoulder bag of some type (to hide a knife, say) it is 100% instinctual for people who carry purses (women, usually) to grasp and hold onto the strap in a way that would look exactly like that.

    Tonight I was running towards the metro in a relatively heavy coat and carrying a relatively small purse and I stopped dead in my tracks for a second. I realized I was trotting EXACTLY like this woman because I was instinctively holding on to the strap of my purse over my left shoulder with my left hand and was swinging my right arm like the video.
    If she was carrying a shoulder bag of some type (to hide a knife, say) it is 100% instinctual for people who carry purses (women, usually) to grasp and hold onto the strap in a way that would look exactly like that.

  • Janelle

    Janelle Cape Coral FL

    My first thought was that this person is a smaller individual so I would have to agree with most of you that it really looks like a female. At the end of the very first clip of the suspect running you see just a little piece of skin poke out before they leave the camera frame. To me it looks like a person wearing a hoodie and possibly a scar around the lower half of their face. Reminds me of those things people wear on their face when they go fishing but I can't remember what they are called. The clothes to me do look a little baggy. Those pants don't look like pants a female (at least a female younger female) would wear. I don't think the coat is quite as long as you guys were saying I think it looks longer because of a mixture of the pixels, shadows, and the fact that it kind of just blends into the pants. It doesn't even look like a coat to me. Looks like an oversized hoodie. Like a girl wearing her boyfriend's hoodie.

    My first thought was that this person is a smaller individual so I would have to agree with most of you that it really looks like a female.

    At the end of the very first clip of the suspect running you see just a little piece of skin poke out before they leave the camera frame. To me it looks like a person wearing a hoodie and possibly a scar around the lower half of their face. Reminds me of those things people wear on their face when they go fishing but I can't remember what they are called.

    The clothes to me do look a little baggy. Those pants don't look like pants a female (at least a female younger female) would wear. I don't think the coat is quite as long as you guys were saying I think it looks longer because of a mixture of the pixels, shadows, and the fact that it kind of just blends into the pants. It doesn't even look like a coat to me. Looks like an oversized hoodie. Like a girl wearing her boyfriend's hoodie.

  • Kira

    Kira Oklahoma

    Definitely looks like a female. She runs like a woman, and I agree she looks like she isn't used to running. It looks like she's probably holding a scarf to her face or her hood closed around her face. Her jeans look like those of an older woman.

    Definitely looks like a female. She runs like a woman, and I agree she looks like she isn't used to running. It looks like she's probably holding a scarf to her face or her hood closed around her face. Her jeans look like those of an older woman.

  • Rhonda Leitner

    Rhonda Leitner Portland, OR

    That is a female!! The minute I saw them running from behind I thought female!!

    That is a female!! The minute I saw them running from behind I thought female!!

  • Butterfly

    Butterfly Somewhere in the Appalachian

    The weird gait is definitely due to them holding onto something with the left arm. I agree it is a good possibility this is a female.

    The weird gait is definitely due to them holding onto something with the left arm. I agree it is a good possibility this is a female.

  • Emily Walker

    Emily Walker Southern California

    This is a woman.

    This is a woman.

  • Ren

    Ren Toronto

    Anyone notice how the hood appears stiff and pointed throughout the entire video? This happens frequently when women wear a hood over hair that's tied up (e.g., in a bun or ponytail). I think this is a woman wearing an oversized man's hoodie with hair tied up underneath, which a female perp would want to do before an attack . If true, this woman would have hair long enough to tie up. Any suspects matching this criteria?

    Anyone notice how the hood appears stiff and pointed throughout the entire video? This happens frequently when women wear a hood over hair that's tied up (e.g., in a bun or ponytail). I think this is a woman wearing an oversized man's hoodie with hair tied up underneath, which a female perp would want to do before an attack . If true, this woman would have hair long enough to tie up. Any suspects matching this criteria?

  • PM

    PM UK

    I agree that I think its a women. My reasoning being that one obvious reason for a female to have her hand over your torso while running would be to secure your chest. I do the exact same thing if I'm without a sports bra or going down stairs at work, its extremely uncomfortable to run and its a natural response to try and hold them down.

    I agree that I think its a women. My reasoning being that one obvious reason for a female to have her hand over your torso while running would be to secure your chest. I do the exact same thing if I'm without a sports bra or going down stairs at work, its extremely uncomfortable to run and its a natural response to try and hold them down.

  • Bev

    Bev Arizona

    Did anyone ever look into the woman that the husband was having an affair with? This looks so much like a woman to me from both angles

    Did anyone ever look into the woman that the husband was having an affair with? This looks so much like a woman to me from both angles

  • Bmv

    Bmv USA

    Omg this is his new version of the bomb threat! Maybe he thought if he stabbed her and put her in hospital he would be able to get another extension from judge hahahaha

    Omg this is his new version of the bomb threat! Maybe he thought if he stabbed her and put her in hospital he would be able to get another extension from judge hahahaha

  • Agent Summer

    Agent Summer Minneapolis, MN

    One thing you guys didn't touch upon in the podcast is the mistress. Was there any mention of whereabouts of the husband's NY/Florida girlfriend during the murder? I could see a motive there to possibly knock off the wife in order to live the privilege lifestyle with him, without having to give any money to Aliza. The mistress could have followed Aliza to her meeting & then killed her. Just a thought, especially since there is a question if this is a male or female in the video. I can't believe this lawyer would kill his client simply get out of going to court when he wasn't prepared. If true, this guy has to be the biggest scumbag in the universe. Still, his pattern of behavior prior to this is erratic, trying to cover for what appears his own shortcomings of being in over his head at his job. Move to another law firm, or choose a different line of work. DON'T KILL PEOPLE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO COURT!!! If this guy is guilty, I hope they lock him up and throw away the key. He's not fit to be in society. Thanks Nic & Captain for the wonderful gift of extended episodes this week. Love the show. Happy holidays to both of you!

    One thing you guys didn't touch upon in the podcast is the mistress. Was there any mention of whereabouts of the husband's NY/Florida girlfriend during the murder? I could see a motive there to possibly knock off the wife in order to live the privilege lifestyle with him, without having to give any money to Aliza. The mistress could have followed Aliza to her meeting & then killed her. Just a thought, especially since there is a question if this is a male or female in the video.

    I can't believe this lawyer would kill his client simply get out of going to court when he wasn't prepared. If true, this guy has to be the biggest scumbag in the universe. Still, his pattern of behavior prior to this is erratic, trying to cover for what appears his own shortcomings of being in over his head at his job. Move to another law firm, or choose a different line of work. DON'T KILL PEOPLE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO COURT!!! If this guy is guilty, I hope they lock him up and throw away the key. He's not fit to be in society.

    Thanks Nic & Captain for the wonderful gift of extended episodes this week. Love the show. Happy holidays to both of you!

  • MarkEV

    MarkEV Columbus Ohio

    I was wondering what the Attorney (Moore) would say about leaving and returning to his workplace and not having noticed all of the cops at his building? I realize he stopped talking to cops once they pointed out they were pretty sure he left the premise for several hours and set up Aliza. I have worked at office buildings in various cities on weekends and generally there is limited access. If there is building parking and an entrance through the garage they should have the attorney on film leaving and returning, since most downtown garages have video surveillance. If he left on foot, how would he explain not asking what was going on and identifying himself as her attorney when he was returning? This attorney seems way more than sketchy.

    I was wondering what the Attorney (Moore) would say about leaving and returning to his workplace and not having noticed all of the cops at his building? I realize he stopped talking to cops once they pointed out they were pretty sure he left the premise for several hours and set up Aliza. I have worked at office buildings in various cities on weekends and generally there is limited access. If there is building parking and an entrance through the garage they should have the attorney on film leaving and returning, since most downtown garages have video surveillance. If he left on foot, how would he explain not asking what was going on and identifying himself as her attorney when he was returning? This attorney seems way more than sketchy.

  • BECKY

    BECKY Connecticut

    Well, I actually think this is a guy. I base this on the shoulder and upper torso movement. His running form is off because i think we are seeing him after he has been running for a bit and he's getting tired. I am not sure if he has a limp or if he is kind of doing a fast walk/run at times.

    Well, I actually think this is a guy. I base this on the shoulder and upper torso movement. His running form is off because i think we are seeing him after he has been running for a bit and he's getting tired. I am not sure if he has a limp or if he is kind of doing a fast walk/run at times.

  • Paul

    Paul Burford, Ontario

    I think that is a female running, the gait and step is a giveaway.

    I think that is a female running, the gait and step is a giveaway.

  • Scott Holloway

    Scott Holloway Worcester ma

    If there was no weapon at the scene then he/she may be hiding it while running away. So that could make this person a lefty.

    If there was no weapon at the scene then he/she may be hiding it while running away. So that could make this person a lefty.

  • Hayley

    Hayley Minnesota

    I also believe the figure appears to be female. It seems like the camera from the front is at an even lower frame rate which hinders the ability to determine gait. I would venture to say that the left hand might be holding the coat from the neck area to keep the hood on the head. Running often knocks the hood off, but if you hold the coat/hoodie in the front around the sternum area, it should keep the hood up.

    I also believe the figure appears to be female. It seems like the camera from the front is at an even lower frame rate which hinders the ability to determine gait.

    I would venture to say that the left hand might be holding the coat from the neck area to keep the hood on the head. Running often knocks the hood off, but if you hold the coat/hoodie in the front around the sternum area, it should keep the hood up.

  • Maria

    Maria Lilburn, GA

    I can’t get over the face covering. How could this person even see? This person looks small and does appear feminine but I wouldn’t bet o. It. The camera angle can throw off the perspective. It’s a shame they haven’t been caught yet. Let’s hope justice prevails soon.

    I can’t get over the face covering. How could this person even see? This person looks small and does appear feminine but I wouldn’t bet o. It. The camera angle can throw off the perspective. It’s a shame they haven’t been caught yet. Let’s hope justice prevails soon.

  • Shannon

    Shannon MA

    Definitely think that is a woman as well.

    Definitely think that is a woman as well.

  • Gina

    Gina Ontario Canada

    I think it's the attorney!! He was so unprepared for court, I'm guessing he was going to try to hurt her to postpone court yet again but went too far.

    I think it's the attorney!! He was so unprepared for court, I'm guessing he was going to try to hurt her to postpone court yet again but went too far.

  • Chrissy

    Chrissy Portland

    Everyone seems to think this is a female. The footage is so bad that it makes it look like the person is running in an odd way. The pixels almost seem to manipulate the moving image. I think it's the lawyer and he's running with "emotion" because he just stabbed his client to death like a coward / lunatic.

    Everyone seems to think this is a female. The footage is so bad that it makes it look like the person is running in an odd way. The pixels almost seem to manipulate the moving image. I think it's the lawyer and he's running with "emotion" because he just stabbed his client to death like a coward / lunatic.

  • Faith

    Faith Cleveland.

    [quote=Jessica] (1) I see a limp -whoever it is is favoring the gimpy leg for sure (2) it seems to me to be a woman! (3) He/she is definitely hiding the face - they must know there are cameras [/quote] It was a Sunday. Nobody leaving work. I work across the street from the Galleria and this area is kind of isolated off the beaten path.

    Jessica wrote:

    (1) I see a limp -whoever it is is favoring the gimpy leg for sure
    (2) it seems to me to be a woman!
    (3) He/she is definitely hiding the face - they must know there are cameras

    It was a Sunday. Nobody leaving work. I work across the street from the Galleria and this area is kind of isolated off the beaten path.

  • Keri

    Keri Albuquerque, NM

    I agree with the female aspect. I'm still listening to the first episode in this series, has the daughter ever been considered a suspect? She could be angry over the divorce. Just a thought.

    I agree with the female aspect. I'm still listening to the first episode in this series, has the daughter ever been considered a suspect? She could be angry over the divorce. Just a thought.

  • JTallroth

    JTallroth

    If I’m not mistaking that’s 26 persons, including myself, who think they see a woman and zero who think they see a man... That’s interesting and I would say quite telling. Someone wrote that they see some skin in the face area, I can’t see it and I find that very strange. Even with the crappy footage I think one easily would be able to see the contrast between dark hood and light skin (or even eyes). Someone on Instagram put out the theory that ‘she’ might be wearing a fencing mask. I really like that theory! If this is a ‘pro’ a fencing mask would be a perfect thing to have. Full vision, total coverage of the face, total protection from defensive wounds. I like that theory! //@jtallroth

    If I’m not mistaking that’s 26 persons, including myself, who think they see a woman and zero who think they see a man... That’s interesting and I would say quite telling. Someone wrote that they see some skin in the face area, I can’t see it and I find that very strange. Even with the crappy footage I think one easily would be able to see the contrast between dark hood and light skin (or even eyes). Someone on Instagram put out the theory that ‘she’ might be wearing a fencing mask. I really like that theory! If this is a ‘pro’ a fencing mask would be a perfect thing to have. Full vision, total coverage of the face, total protection from defensive wounds. I like that theory!
    //@jtallroth

  • Hayley

    Hayley Minnesota

    I'm wondering if the left hand is holding the coat in a way that keeps the hood on the person's head. I would think running, even awkwardly, would result in the hood falling back, but this person's hood doesn't seem to be slipping.

    I'm wondering if the left hand is holding the coat in a way that keeps the hood on the person's head. I would think running, even awkwardly, would result in the hood falling back, but this person's hood doesn't seem to be slipping.

  • Klint

    Klint Texas

    It is an unathetic female. Clutching the weapon placed under the coat.

    It is an unathetic female. Clutching the weapon placed under the coat.

  • Sarah

    Sarah

    Like everyone else, I immediately saw a woman running, not a man. Those look like tapered, medium-wash mom jeans to me. And that's definitely a slightly oversized hooded parka, not a hoodie. I don't see a limp, either - the running is a little off-kilter, but it looks like more of a balance issue while she's holding the jacket closed over her face, or holding on a scarf, not a limp. She's trying to keep her face hidden, and it's making running an awkward thing. I can see why they reported the jacket was green, but I can't tell the color. Something dark, for sure.

    Like everyone else, I immediately saw a woman running, not a man. Those look like tapered, medium-wash mom jeans to me. And that's definitely a slightly oversized hooded parka, not a hoodie. I don't see a limp, either - the running is a little off-kilter, but it looks like more of a balance issue while she's holding the jacket closed over her face, or holding on a scarf, not a limp. She's trying to keep her face hidden, and it's making running an awkward thing. I can see why they reported the jacket was green, but I can't tell the color. Something dark, for sure.

  • Natalie

    Natalie PDX

    It looks like they are running while holding a cell phone up to their ear. A coat that big looks like it would have many pockets & there would be no need to hold anything in their hands if they didn't want to. If there was "so much blood" ....did this person track any with them?

    It looks like they are running while holding a cell phone up to their ear. A coat that big looks like it would have many pockets & there would be no need to hold anything in their hands if they didn't want to.

    If there was "so much blood" ....did this person track any with them?

  • Samm

    Samm Massachusetts

    I don’t think it’s a female. The exaggerated size clothing I think makes their feet/legs look smaller but I think it’s a man. They way they run to me is with the legs more spaced out like how a man runs, than a girl, who kind of pulls for knees high forward. To me they also appear 5’6”-5’8” based on the car. I am 5’3”and most sedans are eye level with me. I think they’re holding their hand to their chest either in breathlessness or to conceal the weapon but possibly both.

    I don’t think it’s a female. The exaggerated size clothing I think makes their feet/legs look smaller but I think it’s a man. They way they run to me is with the legs more spaced out like how a man runs, than a girl, who kind of pulls for knees high forward. To me they also appear 5’6”-5’8” based on the car. I am 5’3”and most sedans are eye level with me. I think they’re holding their hand to their chest either in breathlessness or to conceal the weapon but possibly both.

  • Cameo

    Cameo California

    Hi, Just in regards to the rumors of additional surveillance footage, one article I read about this case listed the address of where she was stabbed as being 75 Erieview Place, ( https://clevelandmagazine.com/in-the-cle/the-read/articles/aliza-sherman ) and if you type that into Google Maps you can see what looks exactly like the described murder location, and there are security cameras all along that walkway (if you look at the white building on the one side you can see them alongside the pot lights) I could be totally wrong about all of this but just a thought I had - seems to me one of those surveillance cameras would have definitely caught something.

    Hi,

    Just in regards to the rumors of additional surveillance footage, one article I read about this case listed the address of where she was stabbed as being 75 Erieview Place, ( https://clevelandmagazine.com/in-the-cle/the-read/articles/aliza-sherman ) and if you type that into Google Maps you can see what looks exactly like the described murder location, and there are security cameras all along that walkway (if you look at the white building on the one side you can see them alongside the pot lights)

    I could be totally wrong about all of this but just a thought I had - seems to me one of those surveillance cameras would have definitely caught something.

  • Bonton

    Bonton Lancaster pa

    I def think the lawyer....what are the chances that the husband kills the wife and then gets "lucky" that the wife picked a crazy guy for a lawyer so that now the focus isn't on the husband as much. Right? I really think it's the lawyer in the video OR a women that he paid off to kill her. Maybe an old client in need of money or maybe his mom by the look of the jeans. (No offense Mom☺️)

    I def think the lawyer....what are the chances that the husband kills the wife and then gets "lucky" that the wife picked a crazy guy for a lawyer so that now the focus isn't on the husband as much. Right? I really think it's the lawyer in the video OR a women that he paid off to kill her. Maybe an old client in need of money or maybe his mom by the look of the jeans. (No offense Mom☺️)

  • Cameo

    Cameo California

    Also kind of interesting, if you're on Google Maps at that location (75 Erieview Plaza) and you click forward 2/3 clicks, you'll end up exactly in the location where the surveillance video of the person running away was taken.

    Also kind of interesting, if you're on Google Maps at that location (75 Erieview Plaza) and you click forward 2/3 clicks, you'll end up exactly in the location where the surveillance video of the person running away was taken.

  • Beth

    Beth WA

    This looks like a female to me also. One reason she could be holding her left arm tight to the body is because of an injury? Perhaps a wound she received during the stabbing of Aliza?

    This looks like a female to me also. One reason she could be holding her left arm tight to the body is because of an injury? Perhaps a wound she received during the stabbing of Aliza?

  • Gretchen

    Gretchen

    My biggest question is about the attorney-he wasn’t at the office but he sent her a text saying he’d be down to let her in. So if she hadn’t been killed what was he going to text her about why he wasn’t letting her in? Nic, I think you are exactly right when you say you think he did it.

    My biggest question is about the attorney-he wasn’t at the office but he sent her a text saying he’d be down to let her in. So if she hadn’t been killed what was he going to text her about why he wasn’t letting her in? Nic, I think you are exactly right when you say you think he did it.

  • Aspen

    Aspen New Hampshire

    It’s amazing how unanimous the verdict is that it’s a female. I agree, and so does everyone else I’ve shown this to. Adds a new twist to the whole story.

    It’s amazing how unanimous the verdict is that it’s a female. I agree, and so does everyone else I’ve shown this to. Adds a new twist to the whole story.

  • Effram

    Effram Calgary, AB

    I was surprised that there was so little info on this case when I went to do more research. No subreddit or anything. So I decided to give my own two cents, and share with the community, hopefully instigating some discussion. So here is what I did: I went on Google Maps and found the exact location of the video and compared it to the surveillance video, and I believe I have made some progress coming up with a height for our suspect, and it really is not what I expected :\. I believe the Cap may have been correct when suggesting that this individual was very short. Please look over my explanation and see if there are any glaring problems, as this is a fairly new thing that I am trying. According to my research our suspect should stand at around 5'3''. Judging by the distortion in the images I had to work with, I would say this is the shortest this person could be, adding on an inch or two at most. Take a look! https://imgur.com/a/oRcFo

    I was surprised that there was so little info on this case when I went to do more research. No subreddit or anything. So I decided to give my own two cents, and share with the community, hopefully instigating some discussion. So here is what I did:

    I went on Google Maps and found the exact location of the video and compared it to the surveillance video, and I believe I have made some progress coming up with a height for our suspect, and it really is not what I expected :\. I believe the Cap may have been correct when suggesting that this individual was very short. Please look over my explanation and see if there are any glaring problems, as this is a fairly new thing that I am trying. According to my research our suspect should stand at around 5'3''. Judging by the distortion in the images I had to work with, I would say this is the shortest this person could be, adding on an inch or two at most. Take a look!
    https://imgur.com/a/oRcFo

  • Crystal

    Crystal Raleigh, NC

    Looking at this over and over again from the front and back views I think this is a female. I can tell by the way her legs move as she is running- she is doing that light run that women do- looks nothing like a male’s run/jog at all. It is also obvious female hips when watching from the back.

    Looking at this over and over again from the front and back views I think this is a female. I can tell by the way her legs move as she is running- she is doing that light run that women do- looks nothing like a male’s run/jog at all. It is also obvious female hips when watching from the back.

  • Valerie

    Valerie Austin

    Thank you guys so much for talking about people using 911 for stupid reasons. Too many people think that 911 is a shortcut to having to look up the actual number and don’t think about the actual emergencies that have to wait on hold while the operators deal with your stupid shit. Tip: if you need police but it’s not an emergency, try 311 first. If you’re in a city of any size, they can connect you with whatever public service you need.

    Thank you guys so much for talking about people using 911 for stupid reasons. Too many people think that 911 is a shortcut to having to look up the actual number and don’t think about the actual emergencies that have to wait on hold while the operators deal with your stupid shit.

    Tip: if you need police but it’s not an emergency, try 311 first. If you’re in a city of any size, they can connect you with whatever public service you need.

  • Angie

    Angie Mississippi

    From my first view of the video, the video also gives me the impression that it's a female and the jacket looks army green and definitely too big .

    From my first view of the video, the video also gives me the impression that it's a female and the jacket looks army green and definitely too big .

  • B

    B Parts Unknown

    The last episode convinced me, I think it has to be the lawyer. It sounds like for some reason, his life was spiraling out of control. I totally agree Nic, they stalled the bomb threat investigation in hopes of finding evidence of the murder. And what kind of wild coincidence would it be if he didn’t set her up to be alone in the parking lot. Perhaps she found out or he told her that he called in the bomb threats? Or maybe she was threatening to file a complaint against him. I think there’s a small chance the lawyer was working to sabotage her case under the direction of the husband. Maybe they thought if they stalled long enough, she would give up. I would like to know if other clients had bad issues with him. I’ll need to find some video of the lawyer standing and walking. He doesn’t seem overly tall and might have kind of a softer figure. Definitely could be him.

    The last episode convinced me, I think it has to be the lawyer. It sounds like for some reason, his life was spiraling out of control. I totally agree Nic, they stalled the bomb threat investigation in hopes of finding evidence of the murder. And what kind of wild coincidence would it be if he didn’t set her up to be alone in the parking lot.

    Perhaps she found out or he told her that he called in the bomb threats? Or maybe she was threatening to file a complaint against him.

    I think there’s a small chance the lawyer was working to sabotage her case under the direction of the husband. Maybe they thought if they stalled long enough, she would give up. I would like to know if other clients had bad issues with him.

    I’ll need to find some video of the lawyer standing and walking. He doesn’t seem overly tall and might have kind of a softer figure. Definitely could be him.

  • Katie

    Katie Australia

    I don’t buy that it’s a female. You can have smallish males (or teenagers) with small feet wearing big jackets and potentially tapered jeans. If the left hand is holding a weapon could that suggest a left handed person? This case is so frustrating....need some DNA

    I don’t buy that it’s a female. You can have smallish males (or teenagers) with small feet wearing big jackets and potentially tapered jeans.
    If the left hand is holding a weapon could that suggest a left handed person?
    This case is so frustrating....need some DNA

  • D

    D London, UK

    What I see is someone wearing one of those jackets with a fake fur edged hood, which the person is holding with the left hand to cover the face. I also agree with everyone that it looks like a woman running (fast). I won't judge the height but the best time to do so looks like when the person is seen from behind running right next to the wall.

    What I see is someone wearing one of those jackets with a fake fur edged hood, which the person is holding with the left hand to cover the face. I also agree with everyone that it looks like a woman running (fast). I won't judge the height but the best time to do so looks like when the person is seen from behind running right next to the wall.

  • Chris

    Chris Parts Unknown

    I agree with almost everyone else regarding the gender of the person in the video. In fact, when I saw this TCG case was a 4-part series I googled the victim’s name (at that point knowing absolutely nothing about the case), and this video (and stills) are of course quick returns. I assumed this person I was seeing run down the street in grainy surveillance footage WAS this person Aliza Sherman, not her probabl killer. Even knowing the actual story now, I just cannot see this being anything other than a woman, indeed keeping something held close to her chest as she runs.

    I agree with almost everyone else regarding the gender of the person in the video. In fact, when I saw this TCG case was a 4-part series I googled the victim’s name (at that point knowing absolutely nothing about the case), and this video (and stills) are of course quick returns. I assumed this person I was seeing run down the street in grainy surveillance footage WAS this person Aliza Sherman, not her probabl killer. Even knowing the actual story now, I just cannot see this being anything other than a woman, indeed keeping something held close to her chest as she runs.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Great stuff everyone! Regarding the mistress... The known affair that Sanford Sherman was having according to his testimony that affair ended in 2010. Of course he could have been having another affair in 2013. And regarding the additional cameras and possible additional footage of actual attack and more of perp.... 100% there are a ton of cameras in that area, the streets are lined with them. I still would like to know where this attacker came from, before the attack Nic

    Great stuff everyone! Regarding the mistress... The known affair that Sanford Sherman was having according to his testimony that affair ended in 2010. Of course he could have been having another affair in 2013. And regarding the additional cameras and possible additional footage of actual attack and more of perp.... 100% there are a ton of cameras in that area, the streets are lined with them. I still would like to know where this attacker came from, before the attack
    Nic

  • M

    M Fort Lauderdale

    Did anyone think this could be one of the boys, maybe Josh, where were they that day I can't find info. One of them was so angry with their Mom and defended Dad repeatedly and called the cops on her numerous times. Seems it could be someone of smaller stature OR a younger male??!!!

    Did anyone think this could be one of the boys, maybe Josh, where were they that day I can't find info. One of them was so angry with their Mom and defended Dad repeatedly and called the cops on her numerous times. Seems it could be someone of smaller stature OR a younger male??!!!

  • janky

    janky over here

    Seems like a chick... no guy I know swings their arm like that when they run. Guys upper bodies tend to rotate side to side when they run, with their arm cocked at somewhat of a 90 degree angle. Her upper body is stiff and non-atheletic, only swinging the arm in a chick kind of way. It doesn't matter that your other arm is pinned to your body.. Try it. If anything, it accentuates the upper body movement. Plus you can get an idea of the shape of the person. Wide hips, a little pear shaped.... child bearing hips..... chick

    Seems like a chick... no guy I know swings their arm like that when they run. Guys upper bodies tend to rotate side to side when they run, with their arm cocked at somewhat of a 90 degree angle. Her upper body is stiff and non-atheletic, only swinging the arm in a chick kind of way. It doesn't matter that your other arm is pinned to your body.. Try it. If anything, it accentuates the upper body movement. Plus you can get an idea of the shape of the person. Wide hips, a little pear shaped.... child bearing hips..... chick

  • Amy D

    Amy D

    When I run I sometimes hold my girls with one arm and sqush em. This posture is kinda how it ends up. I'm thinking a woman.

    When I run I sometimes hold my girls with one arm and sqush em. This posture is kinda how it ends up. I'm thinking a woman.

  • Stephy

    Stephy

    After watching Steven Siegel run and then this video, it definitely looks like a female running. The frame looks female and the pants seem tapered and female styles. I also noticed that Steven runs like a girl too. Love you guys and thanks for all the hard work bringing these crimes attention and hopefully closer to solving. I left an abusive marriage. The statistic is that once you leave your abuser your risk of being killed by that person doubles the first 2 years. Often the only motivation is control. Sad isn't it.

    After watching Steven Siegel run and then this video, it definitely looks like a female running. The frame looks female and the pants seem tapered and female styles. I also noticed that Steven runs like a girl too. Love you guys and thanks for all the hard work bringing these crimes attention and hopefully closer to solving. I left an abusive marriage. The statistic is that once you leave your abuser your risk of being killed by that person doubles the first 2 years. Often the only motivation is control. Sad isn't it.

  • Alix

    Alix Alabama

    I'm just now on Part 2 of this story, but great so far! I love you guys. I always pick you guys up if I'm in the mood for a good true crime podcast. This video is so eerie. I would love to know the height of the suspect. My thoughts on the left arm being tucked in, I doubt this person would try to conceal a knife like that, but who knows? Also, I'm sure this question is answered in the podcast, but how close to the crime scene is this video? Thanks guys! Keep up the great work :)

    I'm just now on Part 2 of this story, but great so far! I love you guys. I always pick you guys up if I'm in the mood for a good true crime podcast. This video is so eerie. I would love to know the height of the suspect. My thoughts on the left arm being tucked in, I doubt this person would try to conceal a knife like that, but who knows? Also, I'm sure this question is answered in the podcast, but how close to the crime scene is this video?

    Thanks guys! Keep up the great work smile

  • Monte Clark

    Monte Clark Independence Missouri

    Could be a chic or effeminate boy. Appears to maybe be left handed and is trying to hang on to something with the left hand. The teens who weren't fond of their mother do have motive and should not be overlooked.

    Could be a chic or effeminate boy.
    Appears to maybe be left handed and is trying to hang on to something with the left hand.
    The teens who weren't fond of their mother do have motive and should not be overlooked.

  • Monte Clark

    Monte Clark Independence Missouri

    In the video to the left above those garage doors is a camera that would have captured the attack at 75 Erieview and possibly the perp stalking/waiting for the victim at an earlier time.

    In the video to the left above those garage doors is a camera that would have captured the attack at 75 Erieview and possibly the perp stalking/waiting for the victim at an earlier time.

  • Andrea

    Andrea Tewksbury, MA

    I’m only on Part 1 so far, but I agree with Nic in the age. Even before he said it, I said “female, short, late 40’s to mid-50’s.” I think it’s the hips and the run.

    I’m only on Part 1 so far, but I agree with Nic in the age. Even before he said it, I said “female, short, late 40’s to mid-50’s.” I think it’s the hips and the run.

  • D

    D Ottawa

    When the person is right next to the car, doesn't she/he look way taller than 5'5". I own a small Kia and my waist is about the top of the trunk, I'm 5'8". This person looks taller than that.

    When the person is right next to the car, doesn't she/he look way taller than 5'5". I own a small Kia and my waist is about the top of the trunk, I'm 5'8". This person looks taller than that.

  • Carol

    Carol California

    Do we know the height and body type of Gregory Moore? I cant' tell from the photos of him about how tall he is.

    Do we know the height and body type of Gregory Moore? I cant' tell from the photos of him about how tall he is.

  • Jenny B

    Jenny B Scotland

    The footage is such poor quality that I don't think it's possible to really say if it's a man or woman. Someone suggested it would be helpful to see footage of the lawyer walking or moving around and that reminded me of gait recognition: couldn't that be used in this scenario? Perhaps it has and I just don't know. Has the footage ever been analysed by an expert in body movement? Anyone know such an expert?! Anyway big thanks to Nic and The Captain for keeping me entertained this week.

    The footage is such poor quality that I don't think it's possible to really say if it's a man or woman. Someone suggested it would be helpful to see footage of the lawyer walking or moving around and that reminded me of gait recognition: couldn't that be used in this scenario? Perhaps it has and I just don't know. Has the footage ever been analysed by an expert in body movement? Anyone know such an expert?!

    Anyway big thanks to Nic and The Captain for keeping me entertained this week.

  • D

    D London, UK

    Having listened to all 4 parts, the lawyer looks really bad though it's all circumstantial. He had the motive (he was unprepared and generally appeared unreliable) and can't be accounted for exactly at the time of the murder. Plus making it appear like the husband did it is something a divorce lawyer would come up with, especially as it was his job to know all the dirt within a family feud. I figure after all that bomb threat stuff he'd used to stall things came out, he was under great pressure from the company to get his act together and probably losing would have also cost him his job. I doubt the firm wanted such publicity. So he might have got to a breaking point and thought offing Sherman was the only way out. On top of it all, constantly changing the time of his appointment and then leaving Sherman to wait in front of the locked door only for her to end up dead at the very spot sounds VERY fishy to me. Initially cooperating and then clamming up when faced with his unmasked lies seems like someone who's playing the system, which appears to be what he'd been doing all along. I'm very curious about updates, if the cops can dig up anything conclusive. As far as the husband, from everything presented it doesn't seem like he's behind this. However, I found the bit about opening that account in his wife's name only and then using it "for family" expenses but also his personal needs like something quite cunning. It's like a virtuous front - if it comes out it looks innocent and perhaps nobody would have investigated his funnelling of funds further if his wife never got murdered.

    Having listened to all 4 parts, the lawyer looks really bad though it's all circumstantial. He had the motive (he was unprepared and generally appeared unreliable) and can't be accounted for exactly at the time of the murder. Plus making it appear like the husband did it is something a divorce lawyer would come up with, especially as it was his job to know all the dirt within a family feud. I figure after all that bomb threat stuff he'd used to stall things came out, he was under great pressure from the company to get his act together and probably losing would have also cost him his job. I doubt the firm wanted such publicity. So he might have got to a breaking point and thought offing Sherman was the only way out. On top of it all, constantly changing the time of his appointment and then leaving Sherman to wait in front of the locked door only for her to end up dead at the very spot sounds VERY fishy to me. Initially cooperating and then clamming up when faced with his unmasked lies seems like someone who's playing the system, which appears to be what he'd been doing all along. I'm very curious about updates, if the cops can dig up anything conclusive.

    As far as the husband, from everything presented it doesn't seem like he's behind this. However, I found the bit about opening that account in his wife's name only and then using it "for family" expenses but also his personal needs like something quite cunning. It's like a virtuous front - if it comes out it looks innocent and perhaps nobody would have investigated his funnelling of funds further if his wife never got murdered.

  • Jessica

    Jessica Duxbury MA

    Having listened to the whole thing, I have to take issue with Nic’s feeling about the perp. As a recovering attorney myself, I can tell you that trying to get out of court is not a movie for murder. The guy called in bomb threats, yes, but murdering his client is a completely different thing, and a major stretch. And what would his motive be other than that alleged motive? None. Generally lawyers try to kee clients, not kill them! The husband hired someone, for sure. The money is a motive, but passionate hatred is the strongest motivator in the world. This couple was taping each other and putting the kids against each other - enough said.

    Having listened to the whole thing, I have to take issue with Nic’s feeling about the perp. As a recovering attorney myself, I can tell you that trying to get out of court is not a movie for murder. The guy called in bomb threats, yes, but murdering his client is a completely different thing, and a major stretch. And what would his motive be other than that alleged motive? None. Generally lawyers try to kee clients, not kill them! The husband hired someone, for sure. The money is a motive, but passionate hatred is the strongest motivator in the world. This couple was taping each other and putting the kids against each other - enough said.

  • Denise

    Denise

    Older, small woman wearing mom jeans. Panicked, winded and unaccustomed to running.

    Older, small woman wearing mom jeans. Panicked, winded and unaccustomed to running.

  • Mark

    Mark austin

    Good episode, much appreciated by subscribers that need their fix. Look, the husband had something to do with it, period. He was about to take a major financial hit, which was made worse by the fact that he was retired. Considering his affluent lifestyle, I think he was looking at having to go back to work, which I think played a major role in this. He was living the life, retired, rich, and getting to screw around. His wife was threatening that way of life by pushing for a divorce. That is the motive. Considering his propensity for violence and anger, I can see him setting up a hit. As for the lawyer, he was a squirrel and prone t breaking the law. But first degree murder? No, that goes way beyond calling in phony bomb threats. The husband was shrewd and he hired it out.

    Good episode, much appreciated by subscribers that need their fix. Look, the husband had something to do with it, period. He was about to take a major financial hit, which was made worse by the fact that he was retired. Considering his affluent lifestyle, I think he was looking at having to go back to work, which I think played a major role in this. He was living the life, retired, rich, and getting to screw around. His wife was threatening that way of life by pushing for a divorce. That is the motive. Considering his propensity for violence and anger, I can see him setting up a hit. As for the lawyer, he was a squirrel and prone t breaking the law. But first degree murder? No, that goes way beyond calling in phony bomb threats. The husband was shrewd and he hired it out.

  • Parttimepete

    Parttimepete Woodstock ontario

    It looks like it’s a woman runnng from front and back the front view actually looks like she is holding her boobs so the don’t bounce when she runs I figure maybe 45-55 year old.

    It looks like it’s a woman runnng from front and back the front view actually looks like she is holding her boobs so the don’t bounce when she runs I figure maybe 45-55 year old.

  • JDP

    JDP Eugene, Oregon

    As a former resident of NE Ohio, I'm suddenly wrapped up in this case that I'd never heard of before. And, after reading the details, I know exactly where this all went down. Here's footage of the sketchy lawyer, Greg Moore, walking into court. (Hope this works...) http://fox8.com/2017/05/23/live-attorney-in-aliza-sherman-case-to-be-sentenced-on-charges-including-providing-false-information/ In my eyes, he's short when compared to his lawyers, and also has a stuttering sort of swaying walk. At about the 3 second mark, there is a bit of a hitch in his gait. Curious.

    As a former resident of NE Ohio, I'm suddenly wrapped up in this case that I'd never heard of before. And, after reading the details, I know exactly where this all went down.

    Here's footage of the sketchy lawyer, Greg Moore, walking into court. (Hope this works...) http://fox8.com/2017/05/23/live-attorney-in-aliza-sherman-case-to-be-sentenced-on-charges-including-providing-false-information/

    In my eyes, he's short when compared to his lawyers, and also has a stuttering sort of swaying walk. At about the 3 second mark, there is a bit of a hitch in his gait. Curious.

  • Elaine

    Elaine Huntsville, Ont, Canada

    Wanted to chime in as a mom of five kids.I listened to your first part of this horrific crime .When you described Aliza dying and trying to say something to the man who found her, you were fairly certain that she was trying to say something about the person who had injured her. I am going to disagree with this, perhaps you are right, but from my perspective as a mother, I would be trying to say something to my kids "Tell my kids I love them, tell them they were the last people I thought of. Tell my kids they were my world" Something like that... True Crime Garage is the very first podcast I have listened to , and I like your jib !

    Wanted to chime in as a mom of five kids.I listened to your first part of this horrific crime .When you described Aliza dying and trying to say something to the man who found her, you were fairly certain that she was trying to say something about the person who had injured her. I am going to disagree with this, perhaps you are right, but from my perspective as a mother, I would be trying to say something to my kids "Tell my kids I love them, tell them they were the last people I thought of. Tell my kids they were my world" Something like that...
    True Crime Garage is the very first podcast I have listened to , and I like your jib !

  • Dave

    Dave Ontario Canada

    I watched the video I see a man with dress pants and dress shoes running , dress shoes have slippery souls , makes it hard to run ?

    I watched the video I see a man with dress pants and dress shoes running , dress shoes have slippery souls , makes it hard to run ?

  • Tezra

    Tezra Ar

    First I need to say that I’m confused...and here’s why. I may have missed the part where they explain the motive for why the lawyer would act alone in this brutal murder but I just don’t see it. Don’t misunderstand me I think he is guilty of this murder but he did not act alone. To me he seems like a self centered, self pleasing/promoting individual who would not act unless there was a reward. I believe that the husband was in fact involved and he footed the bill for this crime. The lawyer played the role of go between and he set it up but made sure not to get his hands “dirty”. From what I have read about his character it would make perfect since that he knew who to go to in order to make this crime happen and the ability to make sure it played out perefectly. He made sure she was in the right place at the right time and the husband made sure he was as well so when they looked at him, and he knew they would, they would never be able to place him there because he wasn’t there. However, he is guilty! He is the only one with true motive, money and that money she was fighting so hard is what the lawyer wanted as well. The husband also did multiple things that showed his character. Forging documents to retrieve the money from her account, having multiple affairs. It seems pretty obvious to me at least , that they were in this together. Maybe taking another look at Greg’s phone records of that time or around that time could lead to evidence of their communication and the communication he had with the killer because I am positive it is there. This was not the perfect murder due to his ignorance in using his cellphone before. I assure you he used it again and this time not to just set up fake bomb threats but to plan a murder. This was my first instinct when I started episode one before the lawyers lying came to light and I believe the truth lies with both of them. Maybe the person they hired to kill her will grow a conscious and confess. Doubtful but we can hope. And I disagree that this was a woman. It was a paid hit MAN and he was well aware of his surroundings because Mr. Moore made sure of it. It was planned out carefully and the escape route was probably practiced. Maybe if all the tapes were gathered we might even see Mr. Moore doing a walk through with him....just a thought.

    First I need to say that I’m confused...and here’s why. I may have missed the part where they explain the motive for why the lawyer would act alone in this brutal murder but I just don’t see it. Don’t misunderstand me I think he is guilty of this murder but he did not act alone. To me he seems like a self centered, self pleasing/promoting individual who would not act unless there was a reward. I believe that the husband was in fact involved and he footed the bill for this crime. The lawyer played the role of go between and he set it up but made sure not to get his hands “dirty”. From what I have read about his character it would make perfect since that he knew who to go to in order to make this crime happen and the ability to make sure it played out perefectly. He made sure she was in the right place at the right time and the husband made sure he was as well so when they looked at him, and he knew they would, they would never be able to place him there because he wasn’t there. However, he is guilty! He is the only one with true motive, money and that money she was fighting so hard is what the lawyer wanted as well. The husband also did multiple things that showed his character. Forging documents to retrieve the money from her account, having multiple affairs. It seems pretty obvious to me at least , that they were in this together. Maybe taking another look at Greg’s phone records of that time or around that time could lead to evidence of their communication and the communication he had with the killer because I am positive it is there. This was not the perfect murder due to his ignorance in using his cellphone before. I assure you he used it again and this time not to just set up fake bomb threats but to plan a murder.
    This was my first instinct when I started episode one before the lawyers lying came to light and I believe the truth lies with both of them. Maybe the person they hired to kill her will grow a conscious and confess. Doubtful but we can hope. And I disagree that this was a woman. It was a paid hit MAN and he was well aware of his surroundings because Mr. Moore made sure of it. It was planned out carefully and the escape route was probably practiced. Maybe if all the tapes were gathered we might even see Mr. Moore doing a walk through with him....just a thought.

  • mg

    mg Parts Unknown

    The husband was experiencing a midlife crisis and was compensating by having a fling with a stripper. We know he frequented strip bars. I imagine a "sugardaddy" relationship had begun. The divorce was going to complicate this. He would have lost half of his properties and holdings and most likely would have had to go back to work. The fact that this happens right before the divorce proceedings started tells me this was an attempt to stop the loss of assets. I am betting the husband approached the stripper girlfriend and asked her how she would like to earn several hundred thousands of dollars. The stripper took the offer. The video is a female running. I don't buy the lawyer because the motive for murder is not there. The husband establishes an alibi and the stripper, who is unknown to all, does the crime.

    The husband was experiencing a midlife crisis and was compensating by having a fling with a stripper. We know he frequented strip bars. I imagine a "sugardaddy" relationship had begun. The divorce was going to complicate this. He would have lost half of his properties and holdings and most likely would have had to go back to work. The fact that this happens right before the divorce proceedings started tells me this was an attempt to stop the loss of assets. I am betting the husband approached the stripper girlfriend and asked her how she would like to earn several hundred thousands of dollars. The stripper took the offer. The video is a female running. I don't buy the lawyer because the motive for murder is not there. The husband establishes an alibi and the stripper, who is unknown to all, does the crime.

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    True Crime Garage

    As for Greg Moore's height, not sure. He is slightly shorter than the men that walk him into court and shorter than his attorney but we don't know if these are all tall men or average size dudes. Nic

    As for Greg Moore's height, not sure. He is slightly shorter than the men that walk him into court and shorter than his attorney but we don't know if these are all tall men or average size dudes.
    Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    The motive I was trying to lay out as to the attorney committing the crime is the possiblity of losing his job. I'm sticking to my guns, the attorney is guilty and was involved. For anyone that questions this - I agree- this should be questioned this is a crazy case. However I can't get over why once Greg Moore was told by police we know you were not where you said you were to be... He told Aliza this and later the police.... He refuses to explain where he was during the missing two hours and she was killed during that time. Sorry but OJ had a better alibi than this guy. Also an attorney has stated here that not being prepared for court is not motive for murder, I agree whole heartedly but keep in mind you are a normal sane person. Greg Moore is not. There is something terribly wrong with this dude. Cheers Nic

    The motive I was trying to lay out as to the attorney committing the crime is the possiblity of losing his job. I'm sticking to my guns, the attorney is guilty and was involved. For anyone that questions this - I agree- this should be questioned this is a crazy case. However I can't get over why once Greg Moore was told by police we know you were not where you said you were to be... He told Aliza this and later the police.... He refuses to explain where he was during the missing two hours and she was killed during that time. Sorry but OJ had a better alibi than this guy. Also an attorney has stated here that not being prepared for court is not motive for murder, I agree whole heartedly but keep in mind you are a normal sane person. Greg Moore is not. There is something terribly wrong with this dude.
    Cheers Nic

  • Dan O'Day

    Dan O'Day Canberra Australia

    Woman, left handed.

    Woman, left handed.

  • Katie

    Katie Parts unknown

    I watched this video before listening to any of the episodes or anything about the story. I immediately asked my husband if that was a woman in the footage and he agreed that it was. I feel like the lawyer did have something to do with it. Maybe he didn’t plan for her to actually die. It would be idiotic to kill off a paying client, but serious injury would prolong the case and keep him from having to call in more bomb threats!

    I watched this video before listening to any of the episodes or anything about the story. I immediately asked my husband if that was a woman in the footage and he agreed that it was. I feel like the lawyer did have something to do with it. Maybe he didn’t plan for her to actually die. It would be idiotic to kill off a paying client, but serious injury would prolong the case and keep him from having to call in more bomb threats!

  • Jenna

    Jenna Ct

    I have to agree when watching the video from the front shot I can't really definitively tell if it's male or female but when they are seen running away it definately appears to be a female ... I also noticed some men when running especially when wearing pants that are too big will often hold their pants up as they run

    I have to agree when watching the video from the front shot I can't really definitively tell if it's male or female but when they are seen running away it definately appears to be a female ... I also noticed some men when running especially when wearing pants that are too big will often hold their pants up as they run

  • FB

    FB NYC

    Question for Nic. Gregory Moore lied about where he was during the murder, right? and from what I understood, police know this because of cellphone pings, right? So my question is, if he texted Aliza minutes before the attack, would that have created a ping on his cell phone? In other words, if he committed the crime himself, wouldn't the cell phone ping put him right in the same cellphone location as his office? If police says he wasn't in his office because of cell phone pings, does that put him somewhere else also during the attack, thus making him a liar, but maybe removing him from the crime scene?

    Question for Nic. Gregory Moore lied about where he was during the murder, right? and from what I understood, police know this because of cellphone pings, right? So my question is, if he texted Aliza minutes before the attack, would that have created a ping on his cell phone? In other words, if he committed the crime himself, wouldn't the cell phone ping put him right in the same cellphone location as his office?

    If police says he wasn't in his office because of cell phone pings, does that put him somewhere else also during the attack, thus making him a liar, but maybe removing him from the crime scene?

  • Will

    Will Marietta, Ga

    Looking at this footage, it does appear to be a female. This was definitely a planned murder based on the fact that this POS clearly made a strong effort to conceal themselves. I'm wondering if they were aware of surveillance and preped for the cameras catching them. That would make a lot of sense if it were Moore. I'm wondering if he would even go as far as to change his bodily mannerisms and movement in order to conceal himself thoroughly. I don't think he'd think that far ahead. There are little things, though. Look how close the feet stay together as they run. I keep watching almost waiting to see them trip over themselves. I believe the murder weapon is concealed and held closely under the jacket with one hand but why run with the other hand so far out? Also, someone clearly not athletic. I don't care what lengths you'd go to conceal yourself, if I'm running from a murder scene and I'm athletic, I'm running a lot faster than that. Unless it was a woman who was hired to kill Aliza, I just don't see motive. I thought it was a woman but the facts that we're currently aware of just would not support such a theory. Clearly, I'm thinking out loud as I'm listening to part 4, but since we're speculating so far, I'm going to agree with Nic on this. Moore is stupid and crazy enough to do this himself. Who the fuck calls in bomb threats to government buildings from their own cell phones? An idiot with a chip on his shoulder, that's who.

    Looking at this footage, it does appear to be a female. This was definitely a planned murder based on the fact that this POS clearly made a strong effort to conceal themselves. I'm wondering if they were aware of surveillance and preped for the cameras catching them. That would make a lot of sense if it were Moore. I'm wondering if he would even go as far as to change his bodily mannerisms and movement in order to conceal himself thoroughly. I don't think he'd think that far ahead. There are little things, though. Look how close the feet stay together as they run. I keep watching almost waiting to see them trip over themselves. I believe the murder weapon is concealed and held closely under the jacket with one hand but why run with the other hand so far out? Also, someone clearly not athletic. I don't care what lengths you'd go to conceal yourself, if I'm running from a murder scene and I'm athletic, I'm running a lot faster than that. Unless it was a woman who was hired to kill Aliza, I just don't see motive. I thought it was a woman but the facts that we're currently aware of just would not support such a theory. Clearly, I'm thinking out loud as I'm listening to part 4, but since we're speculating so far, I'm going to agree with Nic on this. Moore is stupid and crazy enough to do this himself. Who the fuck calls in bomb threats to government buildings from their own cell phones? An idiot with a chip on his shoulder, that's who.

  • Mary Lou

    Mary Lou MA

    I agree with most of you THIS IS A WOMAN!

    I agree with most of you THIS IS A WOMAN!

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    True Crime Garage

    @ FB - you are brilliant! I have been waiting for the cellphone tower ping question, as this was something I questioned myself. Here is what I came up with in my conclusion. I believe that Moore is the Cleveland Police's #1 suspect- they of course won't say that publicly. If you read between the lines the information they have on Moore that was to be presented at court was -we know he is lied about his whereabouts to Aliza and to the police according to cellphone tower information, key card access records and eyewitness statements. The tower info could be faulty we know that from other cases- I think they included the key card and eyewitness thing to back up their findings in case it was argued in court that the cellphone pings are just faulty info. What sells it for me is minutes and we are talking 1,2 or 3 minutes just a very, very short time before she is attacked Aliza text Moore, where are you it's cold outside the door is locked - he responds I coming down to let you in- she text back I'm returning to my car. Why would he choose this lie- I'm coming down to let you in? He could have come up with any lie if he were just not there. I'm stuck in traffic, my car wouldn't start, I'm sick. No he chose -I'm coming down to let you in because he knew before responding to Aliza's text that Aliza was going to be attacked and later when police were going to review her phone he needed his lie to match where he was going to tell police he was during the time if her attack- that's his alibi. Also this person is very likely fleeing to a vehicle somewhere quite likely Moore responded to her text, left the phone in his vehicle parked a decent distance away- he knew of all of the cameras on that street- that street is lined with them. Attacked Aliza and ran back to his car. Drove off disposed of the clothing disguise in a dumpster or public trash can several miles away threw the knife in a sewer or pond and drove back to his office. Nic

    @ FB - you are brilliant! I have been waiting for the cellphone tower ping question, as this was something I questioned myself. Here is what I came up with in my conclusion. I believe that Moore is the Cleveland Police's #1 suspect- they of course won't say that publicly. If you read between the lines the information they have on Moore that was to be presented at court was -we know he is lied about his whereabouts to Aliza and to the police according to cellphone tower information, key card access records and eyewitness statements. The tower info could be faulty we know that from other cases- I think they included the key card and eyewitness thing to back up their findings in case it was argued in court that the cellphone pings are just faulty info. What sells it for me is minutes and we are talking 1,2 or 3 minutes just a very, very short time before she is attacked Aliza text Moore, where are you it's cold outside the door is locked - he responds I coming down to let you in- she text back I'm returning to my car. Why would he choose this lie- I'm coming down to let you in? He could have come up with any lie if he were just not there. I'm stuck in traffic, my car wouldn't start, I'm sick. No he chose -I'm coming down to let you in because he knew before responding to Aliza's text that Aliza was going to be attacked and later when police were going to review her phone he needed his lie to match where he was going to tell police he was during the time if her attack- that's his alibi. Also this person is very likely fleeing to a vehicle somewhere quite likely Moore responded to her text, left the phone in his vehicle parked a decent distance away- he knew of all of the cameras on that street- that street is lined with them. Attacked Aliza and ran back to his car. Drove off disposed of the clothing disguise in a dumpster or public trash can several miles away threw the knife in a sewer or pond and drove back to his office. Nic

  • Eliza

    Eliza CO

    What about one of Aliza's sons? I personally think it was Gregory Moore but the physical makeup of the individual in the footage looks like a female, OR a younger possibly teenage male? Like one of Aliza's sons? How does his anger and resentment towards him mother in favor of his father play into her murder? Just food for thought.

    What about one of Aliza's sons? I personally think it was Gregory Moore but the physical makeup of the individual in the footage looks like a female, OR a younger possibly teenage male? Like one of Aliza's sons? How does his anger and resentment towards him mother in favor of his father play into her murder? Just food for thought.

  • jon

    jon North Carolina

    How tall is Gregory Moore? Can't find a mug shot. A lazy lawyer who sits in an office all day and wearing baggy cloths could run a little funny. What are the odds that it was a random female killer? Not likely.

    How tall is Gregory Moore? Can't find a mug shot. A lazy lawyer who sits in an office all day and wearing baggy cloths could run a little funny. What are the odds that it was a random female killer? Not likely.

  • Kelly

    Kelly Chicago

    That picture of that perp(too much crime shows in my youth)breaks my heart. I want to grab her and spin her 'round and ask "Why? Did you know her, perhaps you didn't like the books she read, her parenting style, her jokes... FUCKING Why?

    That picture of that perp(too much crime shows in my youth)breaks my heart. I want to grab her and spin her 'round and ask "Why? Did you know her, perhaps you didn't like the books she read, her parenting style, her jokes...
    FUCKING Why?

  • Anne

    Anne Pittsburgh

    Nic mentioned filing a wrongful death suit to flesh out Gregory Moore's story through deposition. That cant happen. Statute of limitations for wrongful death expired long ago.

    Nic mentioned filing a wrongful death suit to flesh out Gregory Moore's story through deposition. That cant happen. Statute of limitations for wrongful death expired long ago.

  • Alexander

    Alexander New Mexico

    That's a women maybe the reason why you can't see the face is the person is slouching in the coat so it would look like there is no face which would explain the ridiculous way they are running.

    That's a women maybe the reason why you can't see the face is the person is slouching in the coat so it would look like there is no face which would explain the ridiculous way they are running.

  • El

    El Parts Unknown

    My personal opinion (spoiler alert) is that the attorney was only somewhat involved. I don't think this was him. He was only supposed to guarantee her location at a given time, while someone else attacked. He's too much of a weasel to stab someone to death. Now, the husband had every reason to want her dead. Not only for the nearly $2 million, but because he was a dominant and controlling man. He felt like he had lost control of his wife since she filed for divorce first (why he also filed) and she was no longer listening to him. He couldn't stand to lose control; it wasn't about loving her, losing her, or the marriage being over. He had to win. He tried convincing her to settle so he could still get his way, but that didn't work. He had to take extreme measures, which he's apparently no stranger to. He had the financial means to pay off the lawyer, and to get his "perfect murder" friend on board. He probably didn't know where she was that day, but the people "taking care of it" did know. All part of his plead of innocence. In my eyes, there is just no way the husband is innocent.

    My personal opinion (spoiler alert) is that the attorney was only somewhat involved. I don't think this was him. He was only supposed to guarantee her location at a given time, while someone else attacked. He's too much of a weasel to stab someone to death.
    Now, the husband had every reason to want her dead. Not only for the nearly $2 million, but because he was a dominant and controlling man. He felt like he had lost control of his wife since she filed for divorce first (why he also filed) and she was no longer listening to him. He couldn't stand to lose control; it wasn't about loving her, losing her, or the marriage being over. He had to win. He tried convincing her to settle so he could still get his way, but that didn't work. He had to take extreme measures, which he's apparently no stranger to.
    He had the financial means to pay off the lawyer, and to get his "perfect murder" friend on board. He probably didn't know where she was that day, but the people "taking care of it" did know. All part of his plead of innocence.
    In my eyes, there is just no way the husband is innocent.

  • ella

    ella australia

    I dont think it looks like a woman as much as it looks like the lawyer!! Im scratching my head as to how he hasnt become an immediate and obvious suspect! He was desperate enough to routinely call in bomb scares when he was behind at work or not ready to appear. I wouldnt put it past him murdering someone to save his career and reputation! I mean, cmon! He was directing her via txt to his office, sent her back to the warmth of her car when she found the door locked moments before she was stabbed to death! He was in communication with her, aware of her location in real time via her txt messages, likely in close proximity, immediately before her attack. ISNT IT OBVIOUS WHO DID IT!? Hes a lawyer so hes not going take any risks relying on someone else to do the job when he has the means and oppurtunity to carry out the attack himself. Who the hell would one trust to carry out such a task anyway!? Hes not that stupid!

    I dont think it looks like a woman as much as it looks like the lawyer!! Im scratching my head as to how he hasnt become an immediate and obvious suspect! He was desperate enough to routinely call in bomb scares when he was behind at work or not ready to appear. I wouldnt put it past him murdering someone to save his career and reputation! I mean, cmon! He was directing her via txt to his office, sent her back to the warmth of her car when she found the door locked moments before she was stabbed to death! He was in communication with her, aware of her location in real time via her txt messages, likely in close proximity, immediately before her attack. ISNT IT OBVIOUS WHO DID IT!? Hes a lawyer so hes not going take any risks relying on someone else to do the job when he has the means and oppurtunity to carry out the attack himself. Who the hell would one trust to carry out such a task anyway!? Hes not that stupid!

  • Karl

    Karl North Carolina

    Hey there. I'm going to disagree slightly on the height of the person running in the security cam footage. I did a simple analysis using GIMP on two freeze-frames of the suspect. The first screen grab I took was from the camera facing opposite the direction the suspect was running. The suspect is roughly one or maybe even two steps towards the camera from the newspaper vending machine. I assumed a vending machine height of 47.25" which I think is standard from a quick google search. Using a straight calculated ratio relating the "height" of the vending machine with the number of pixels representing that height gives us that the suspect would be 5 foot 3 inches tall. This however is an upper bound in my opinion. The two subjects (suspect and the vending machine) are not coplanar in this image. I chose this image because it was the first point where the top of the suspect's head was clearly visible, and unfortunately the suspect was not standing right next to the vending machine. Think of it like placing your thumb over something in the horizon, your thumb is maybe four inches long but it can cover up a building that's 10 stories high. Same idea here, things closer to the camera are going to calculate to larger sizes if we take the conversion ratio from something further away. It's a game of inches since the two objects are definitely "close" together but not coplanar, so that 5'3 is an absolute maximum in my opinion. I then did this with an image where the height of the suspect was not so clear since the background is dark, but the suspect is coplanar with the vending machine. The calculated height here was roughly 5 feet tall and I think that I maybe shorted them slightly based on the following couple of frames so I'll take that as the lower bound. In my opinion, they are between 5'0 and 5'3. I'm still trying to find images of Grimy Gregory Moore to calculate his height off of surrounding objects. Cheers and don't litter.

    Hey there. I'm going to disagree slightly on the height of the person running in the security cam footage. I did a simple analysis using GIMP on two freeze-frames of the suspect. The first screen grab I took was from the camera facing opposite the direction the suspect was running. The suspect is roughly one or maybe even two steps towards the camera from the newspaper vending machine. I assumed a vending machine height of 47.25" which I think is standard from a quick google search. Using a straight calculated ratio relating the "height" of the vending machine with the number of pixels representing that height gives us that the suspect would be 5 foot 3 inches tall. This however is an upper bound in my opinion. The two subjects (suspect and the vending machine) are not coplanar in this image. I chose this image because it was the first point where the top of the suspect's head was clearly visible, and unfortunately the suspect was not standing right next to the vending machine. Think of it like placing your thumb over something in the horizon, your thumb is maybe four inches long but it can cover up a building that's 10 stories high. Same idea here, things closer to the camera are going to calculate to larger sizes if we take the conversion ratio from something further away. It's a game of inches since the two objects are definitely "close" together but not coplanar, so that 5'3 is an absolute maximum in my opinion. I then did this with an image where the height of the suspect was not so clear since the background is dark, but the suspect is coplanar with the vending machine. The calculated height here was roughly 5 feet tall and I think that I maybe shorted them slightly based on the following couple of frames so I'll take that as the lower bound. In my opinion, they are between 5'0 and 5'3. I'm still trying to find images of Grimy Gregory Moore to calculate his height off of surrounding objects. Cheers and don't litter.

  • Mike

    Mike PA

    Are there any listeners who can look around the area to report if cameras point to the spot of the crime?

    Are there any listeners who can look around the area to report if cameras point to the spot of the crime?

  • Cindy

    Cindy Bradenton, FL

    FL now but former Cleverlander. It’s the lawyer! After watching the video of the way he walked into the courtroom (may 2017 for lying) it totally could had been him running in the video after the murder! He has a weird walk! He’s short! Plus, what lawyer sets appointments on Sunday! They don’t work on Sundays. It would had been pretty dead down there at that time on a Sunday, unless the Cavs were playing. He would know this working down there. Below is the link of him walking into court. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/05/aliza_sherman_attorney_sentenc.html

    FL now but former Cleverlander. It’s the lawyer! After watching the video of the way he walked into the courtroom (may 2017 for lying) it totally could had been him running in the video after the murder! He has a weird walk! He’s short! Plus, what lawyer sets appointments on Sunday! They don’t work on Sundays. It would had been pretty dead down there at that time on a Sunday, unless the Cavs were playing. He would know this working down there. Below is the link of him walking into court. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/05/aliza_sherman_attorney_sentenc.html

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    Thanks for the link Cindy! Cheers Nic

    Thanks for the link Cindy!
    Cheers Nic

  • Victoria

    Victoria Raleigh, NC

    I just started listening to The Murder of Aliza Sherman and have found the content of the podcast very interesting. However, in the three episodes I have listened to there have been two crude references by the Captain about women. In the third episode, after hearing the Captain refer to women’s breats as “titties”, I could no longer support the podcast as a listener. On a podcast with two male hosts discussing the murder of a woman who suffered from domestic violence, I find the Captain's flippant language disrespecful and insensitive. Moving forward I hope the makers of this podcast can use the current cultural conversation about violence against women in all its forms as an opportunity for self refleciton.

    I just started listening to The Murder of Aliza Sherman and have found the content of the podcast very interesting. However, in the three episodes I have listened to there have been two crude references by the Captain about women. In the third episode, after hearing the Captain refer to women’s breats as “titties”, I could no longer support the podcast as a listener. On a podcast with two male hosts discussing the murder of a woman who suffered from domestic violence, I find the Captain's flippant language disrespecful and insensitive. Moving forward I hope the makers of this podcast can use the current cultural conversation about violence against women in all its forms as an opportunity for self refleciton.

  • Rae Rae

    Rae Rae Louisiana

    100% agree with Cindy

    100% agree with Cindy

  • Barbara B.

    Barbara B.

    Def. a woman that looks to me that she is wearing layers. I would suspect then that this is a very small women. The gait/stride is very small, so I would think the person running away is a female. I am only on episode one but I think this is planned because 1) She looks like she is wearing layers - planned the outfit or is trying to disguise herself 2) The face is completely hidden. Also, while running, why would you keep your left arm like that? You would want to swing it for more momentum, push to go faster. It looks to me almost like someone is concealing something (the weapon) or has their arm in a cast/sling. It really looks like that to me. And if the arm is in a sling, could that have been a diversion (or a way to hide the weapon in public) or a disguise?

    Def. a woman that looks to me that she is wearing layers. I would suspect then that this is a very small women. The gait/stride is very small, so I would think the person running away is a female.
    I am only on episode one but I think this is planned because 1) She looks like she is wearing layers - planned the outfit or is trying to disguise herself 2) The face is completely hidden.

    Also, while running, why would you keep your left arm like that? You would want to swing it for more momentum, push to go faster.
    It looks to me almost like someone is concealing something (the weapon) or has their arm in a cast/sling. It really looks like that to me. And if the arm is in a sling, could that have been a diversion (or a way to hide the weapon in public) or a disguise?

  • Jack

    Jack

    My impression of the video is that it is of a female jogging/running while using left hand to keep an object (phone, purse, knife) from bouncing in pocket of or underneath loose-fitting coat. Then again, in one news video, located at http://fox8.com/2017/02/21/true-crime-in-cleveland-murder-of-aliza-sherman-in-downtown-cleveland/, the reporter refers to the suspect as "him" at two different points. Is that the reporter's assumption, or was he subconsciously parroting from background given him during his journalistic investigation? If so, was the assumption of someone close to the investigation, or were they speaking from better information? Also in the video I observed that the suspect, at one point, glances to the right and, just as suspect reaches bottom right of first section, looks longer to the right (and maybe shows Caucasian face between facial cover and hood?). Could suspect be looking to right in search of getaway vehicle? If suspect was driving self, why not park on E. 12th St., the first street intersecting suspect's path eastward from the crime scene? There would likely have been available parking on Sunday (NB: garage video taken on Hamilton between E. 12th and E. 13th). Theory: the attorney did it. There are two subtheories, both of which assume that (a) the victim's attorney was involved, (b) his motive was avoidance of consequences from being unprepared, (c) he had an accomplice, and (d) the accomplice was female. On the third point, if he’s working with an accomplice, there are more moving parts. Also, assuming neither the attorney nor accomplice are experienced killers, there are the fits and starts that go along with nervousness. There is phrase variously attributed to snipers and special forces operators, “Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.” It’s true that calm and deliberate execution is efficient, while anxiousness and uncertainty result in oversights and mistakes. The latter can also result in, for instance, an accomplice with no direct gain losing their nerve and having to be repeatedly reassured and convinced to go through with the deed. This might explain the repeated moving of the meeting, the texts now known to be false and misleading; and which, incidentally, had the victim holding in place for a longer period of time – during which, perhaps, the accomplice was waffling. Subtheory One: female accomplice of attorney committed offense, egressed on a predetermined route and was picked up by attorney in a vehicle. This theory is supported by the appearance of the person running as being female, and what would certainly be the attorney’s reticence to do it himself for fear of being recognized, being common to the area (also a point of persuasion with accomplice on why attorney couldn’t do it himself). Subtheory Two: reverse the roles, with the attorney doing the act and being picked up. ISSUES WITH THEORY AND RESPONSES: But seriously, people, isn’t it incredible to suggest that an attorney would murder someone to get out of going to court? Well, we know he called in bomb threats. Still, it strains credulity to suggest that an attorney would go from arguably harmless bomb threats to murder. Would it not be much less drastic and work just as well if HE was unavailable for court. It might be surprising to learn how many attorneys have presented in an ER with chest pains on the day before a trial (trust me; it happens). But hee may have already pulled that or a similar trick. And if he is becoming known for dodging trial, it is almost certainly known within the firm, and he’s under pressure there as well as with the courts. He may also be feeling the heat from the bomb threats by this point (even if not openly under suspicion, “the guilty fleeth when no man pursues”). He needs HIS CLIENT to be unavailable for court. But he doesn’t need her dead for that. A non-lethal stab wound received in the course of mugging isn’t the end of the world, one might rationalize, and there is no focus on him in a case in which the victim has already voiced her fears that her estranged husband may kill her. It’s kind of perfect, actually, the rationale continues. A “win-win,” even; the attorney gets out of going to court for a while, during which time he can better prepare, and the recovered victim gets a sympathetic judge that suspects the husband of trying to kill his wife. But, if the foregoing is true, then why was the victim stabbed 11 times? Unforeseen complications. The assailant, whether attorney or accomplice, is dealing with adrenaline overload. All actions AND THOUGHTS are going to be exaggerated. If the attorney is the assailant, he first thought that the disguise would prevent recognition. Something happens at the point he starts the faux mugging – she resists, calls his name, he gets paranoid, etc. He can no longer maim; he has to kill her. If the accomplice is the assailant, and is a slight woman, maybe the victim fights. Imagine that the victim grabs her coat and won’t let go? A panicked victim might have the assailant in a death grip. A panicked amateur assailant would stab the victim repeatedly until the victim let go. Why wouldn’t the attorney actually be in his office? Is that not the best alibi? 1. He was needed to help execute the plot. 2. It is human nature to avoid locus (closeness to event) when one has a guilty mind. 3. He’s obviously no Dr. Moriarty when it comes to planning crimes. Why not be picked up on E. 12th? Vehicle might be identified, or maybe that was the plan, but pick up vehicle was out of position (traffic lights, nervous driver misses turn, etc.) and the fall back was a block over. That would explain running instead of more inconspicuous walking. ********** If not the attorney, imagine anybody else that might be guilty: RANDOM MUGGING THEORY UNLIKELY: She wasn’t mugged. Besides, would a downtown mugger stab her 11 times? Possible, but…. WAITING IN AMBUSH THEORY UNLIKELY: If the victim’s destination was known to any other assailant, who then waited in ambush, the crime would have occurred immediately upon the victim having reached position, before she could enter the building to meet with her attorney (whom it would be assumed would be there and provide for her entry). Also, because of the changes in meeting time, an ambusher could easily assume the meeting had been cancelled, or become concerned about hanging around and creating suspicion, either of which would have caused the assailant to abort. SURVEILLANCE THEORY UNLIKELY: If the victim was instead surveilled to the scene of the crime, the assailant would still have committed the crime immediately upon reaching an advantageous location. That didn’t happen. Where did the victim park? I don’t know, but I would assume that, if she parked on E. 13th, we’d have seen a video of her walking to the appointment and being followed by her assailant. Why would that be held back? If she parked on E. 12th, an assailant that followed her would most likely have parked on E. 12th and have no reason to run to E. 13th. It is possible that the assailant was dropped off from a surveillance vehicle on E. 12th by an accomplice, and the couple was familiar enough with downtown Cleveland for a quick plan to be picked up on E. 13th, but, again, what about all the time that passed while the victim was waiting for her attorney to let her into the building? Thus, it actually becomes more incredulous to suggest that ANYBODY ELSE could have could have killed the victim, and that the attorney just coincidentally kept her on station long enough that it happened. FINALLY, what is the obvious result of the attorney’s lies to his client IF THEY WERE NOT PART OF THE PLOT to assault her? He wasn’t in the office, so the lies were nonsensical and his silliness was going to come to light. If he was not using a lie to stall the victim, he would have postponed again, said he had car trouble, quit responding and say he lost his phone; ANYTHING but “I’m here and I’ll be down in just a minute.” His lies only work if he believes he is never going to face them.

    My impression of the video is that it is of a female jogging/running while using left hand to keep an object (phone, purse, knife) from bouncing in pocket of or underneath loose-fitting coat. Then again, in one news video, located at http://fox8.com/2017/02/21/true-crime-in-cleveland-murder-of-aliza-sherman-in-downtown-cleveland/, the reporter refers to the suspect as "him" at two different points. Is that the reporter's assumption, or was he subconsciously parroting from background given him during his journalistic investigation? If so, was the assumption of someone close to the investigation, or were they speaking from better information?

    Also in the video I observed that the suspect, at one point, glances to the right and, just as suspect reaches bottom right of first section, looks longer to the right (and maybe shows Caucasian face between facial cover and hood?). Could suspect be looking to right in search of getaway vehicle? If suspect was driving self, why not park on E. 12th St., the first street intersecting suspect's path eastward from the crime scene? There would likely have been available parking on Sunday (NB: garage video taken on Hamilton between E. 12th and E. 13th).

    Theory: the attorney did it. There are two subtheories, both of which assume that (a) the victim's attorney was involved, (b) his motive was avoidance of consequences from being unprepared, (c) he had an accomplice, and (d) the accomplice was female. On the third point, if he’s working with an accomplice, there are more moving parts. Also, assuming neither the attorney nor accomplice are experienced killers, there are the fits and starts that go along with nervousness. There is phrase variously attributed to snipers and special forces operators, “Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.” It’s true that calm and deliberate execution is efficient, while anxiousness and uncertainty result in oversights and mistakes. The latter can also result in, for instance, an accomplice with no direct gain losing their nerve and having to be repeatedly reassured and convinced to go through with the deed. This might explain the repeated moving of the meeting, the texts now known to be false and misleading; and which, incidentally, had the victim holding in place for a longer period of time – during which, perhaps, the accomplice was waffling.

    Subtheory One: female accomplice of attorney committed offense, egressed on a predetermined route and was picked up by attorney in a vehicle. This theory is supported by the appearance of the person running as being female, and what would certainly be the attorney’s reticence to do it himself for fear of being recognized, being common to the area (also a point of persuasion with accomplice on why attorney couldn’t do it himself).

    Subtheory Two: reverse the roles, with the attorney doing the act and being picked up.

    ISSUES WITH THEORY AND RESPONSES:

    But seriously, people, isn’t it incredible to suggest that an attorney would murder someone to get out of going to court? Well, we know he called in bomb threats. Still, it strains credulity to suggest that an attorney would go from arguably harmless bomb threats to murder. Would it not be much less drastic and work just as well if HE was unavailable for court. It might be surprising to learn how many attorneys have presented in an ER with chest pains on the day before a trial (trust me; it happens). But hee may have already pulled that or a similar trick. And if he is becoming known for dodging trial, it is almost certainly known within the firm, and he’s under pressure there as well as with the courts. He may also be feeling the heat from the bomb threats by this point (even if not openly under suspicion, “the guilty fleeth when no man pursues”).

    He needs HIS CLIENT to be unavailable for court. But he doesn’t need her dead for that. A non-lethal stab wound received in the course of mugging isn’t the end of the world, one might rationalize, and there is no focus on him in a case in which the victim has already voiced her fears that her estranged husband may kill her. It’s kind of perfect, actually, the rationale continues. A “win-win,” even; the attorney gets out of going to court for a while, during which time he can better prepare, and the recovered victim gets a sympathetic judge that suspects the husband of trying to kill his wife.

    But, if the foregoing is true, then why was the victim stabbed 11 times? Unforeseen complications. The assailant, whether attorney or accomplice, is dealing with adrenaline overload. All actions AND THOUGHTS are going to be exaggerated. If the attorney is the assailant, he first thought that the disguise would prevent recognition. Something happens at the point he starts the faux mugging – she resists, calls his name, he gets paranoid, etc. He can no longer maim; he has to kill her. If the accomplice is the assailant, and is a slight woman, maybe the victim fights. Imagine that the victim grabs her coat and won’t let go? A panicked victim might have the assailant in a death grip. A panicked amateur assailant would stab the victim repeatedly until the victim let go.

    Why wouldn’t the attorney actually be in his office? Is that not the best alibi? 1. He was needed to help execute the plot. 2. It is human nature to avoid locus (closeness to event) when one has a guilty mind. 3. He’s obviously no Dr. Moriarty when it comes to planning crimes.

    Why not be picked up on E. 12th? Vehicle might be identified, or maybe that was the plan, but pick up vehicle was out of position (traffic lights, nervous driver misses turn, etc.) and the fall back was a block over. That would explain running instead of more inconspicuous walking.

    **********

    If not the attorney, imagine anybody else that might be guilty:

    RANDOM MUGGING THEORY UNLIKELY: She wasn’t mugged. Besides, would a downtown mugger stab her 11 times? Possible, but….

    WAITING IN AMBUSH THEORY UNLIKELY: If the victim’s destination was known to any other assailant, who then waited in ambush, the crime would have occurred immediately upon the victim having reached position, before she could enter the building to meet with her attorney (whom it would be assumed would be there and provide for her entry). Also, because of the changes in meeting time, an ambusher could easily assume the meeting had been cancelled, or become concerned about hanging around and creating suspicion, either of which would have caused the assailant to abort.

    SURVEILLANCE THEORY UNLIKELY: If the victim was instead surveilled to the scene of the crime, the assailant would still have committed the crime immediately upon reaching an advantageous location. That didn’t happen. Where did the victim park? I don’t know, but I would assume that, if she parked on E. 13th, we’d have seen a video of her walking to the appointment and being followed by her assailant. Why would that be held back? If she parked on E. 12th, an assailant that followed her would most likely have parked on E. 12th and have no reason to run to E. 13th. It is possible that the assailant was dropped off from a surveillance vehicle on E. 12th by an accomplice, and the couple was familiar enough with downtown Cleveland for a quick plan to be picked up on E. 13th, but, again, what about all the time that passed while the victim was waiting for her attorney to let her into the building?

    Thus, it actually becomes more incredulous to suggest that ANYBODY ELSE could have could have killed the victim, and that the attorney just coincidentally kept her on station long enough that it happened.

    FINALLY, what is the obvious result of the attorney’s lies to his client IF THEY WERE NOT PART OF THE PLOT to assault her? He wasn’t in the office, so the lies were nonsensical and his silliness was going to come to light. If he was not using a lie to stall the victim, he would have postponed again, said he had car trouble, quit responding and say he lost his phone; ANYTHING but “I’m here and I’ll be down in just a minute.” His lies only work if he believes he is never going to face them.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Jack I love these thoughts and theories. Some more thoughts on the Greg Moore... I would never suggest that this man could have killed his client just to get out of a court date. If that were the case you're right he could have just not been available. Greg could borrowed against the attorney fee which is not distributed until the job is done. This could have been a fairly large amount of money. He could have been facing termination from his firm and possibly losing his license. He may have thought he had a lot to lose and he still won't tell us where he was. Regardless good theories, extremely well thought out. Cheers Nic

    Jack I love these thoughts and theories. Some more thoughts on the Greg Moore...
    I would never suggest that this man could have killed his client just to get out of a court date. If that were the case you're right he could have just not been available. Greg could borrowed against the attorney fee which is not distributed until the job is done. This could have been a fairly large amount of money. He could have been facing termination from his firm and possibly losing his license. He may have thought he had a lot to lose and he still won't tell us where he was. Regardless good theories, extremely well thought out. Cheers Nic

  • Connie B

    Connie B Glenville, NC

    Just finished part 4. The person in the video does appear to be a woman. It also looks like the person is "limping" because of the left arm being tucked into the coat. The shoes look like the type of soft soled shoes a person would wear if they worked on their feet all day. Perhaps even professional tennis shoes like the many hospital professionals wear. Also, it does appear that when the person looks to their right that you can vaguely see a Caucasian appearing face peering out of that hood. As to who did it, Gregory Moore is the most likely suspect here. Whether he himself committed the crime personally or had someone commit it for him, his is somehow involved.

    Just finished part 4. The person in the video does appear to be a woman. It also looks like the person is "limping" because of the left arm being tucked into the coat. The shoes look like the type of soft soled shoes a person would wear if they worked on their feet all day. Perhaps even professional tennis shoes like the many hospital professionals wear. Also, it does appear that when the person looks to their right that you can vaguely see a Caucasian appearing face peering out of that hood.
    As to who did it, Gregory Moore is the most likely suspect here. Whether he himself committed the crime personally or had someone commit it for him, his is somehow involved.

  • Ian

    Ian Pa

    Is it possible that this person (looks to be a woman) could have been a homeless person in the area that came upon the attack and ran out of fear? It would explain the clothes not fitting and as cold as it gets in Cleveland, it doesn’t seem overly odd that she would be covered from head to toe. Just a thought, but plausible?

    Is it possible that this person (looks to be a woman) could have been a homeless person in the area that came upon the attack and ran out of fear? It would explain the clothes not fitting and as cold as it gets in Cleveland, it doesn’t seem overly odd that she would be covered from head to toe. Just a thought, but plausible?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Possible and smart actually Ian. Because we can't see blood on this person though there may be. That's a clever thought. I do question again if the actual attack is on camera. That street is lined with them. That could be how police know this to be the killer. Or they don't have the attack on camera, the killer strikes, ducks into a nearby building while this homeless person witnesses the attack and runs for their life. Could be, makes sense! Nic

    Possible and smart actually Ian. Because we can't see blood on this person though there may be. That's a clever thought. I do question again if the actual attack is on camera. That street is lined with them. That could be how police know this to be the killer. Or they don't have the attack on camera, the killer strikes, ducks into a nearby building while this homeless person witnesses the attack and runs for their life. Could be, makes sense!
    Nic

  • Jack

    Jack

    Ian, I don't know Cleveland. Would a person bolting from immediate danger bypass the relative openness of E. 12th and continue in a straight line down Hamilton toward E. 13th? The person running never looked back to see if he/she was being pursued. Nic, I'm not sure that a lot of blood would have immediately gotten on to an assailant in the circumstances. Cold day, heavy clothes. According to one account, https://forward.com/news/national/391543/who-killed-aliza-sherman/, the victim was stabbed 11 times in the neck, back, (possible ambush from behind) and arms (possible defensive wounds occurring later in the attack). Assuming an ambush from behind with back and neck wounds, victim turns to face attack, gets defensive wounds, there would little chance for significant blood letting to get onto assailant's clothes. BUT there may be more support for your theory about video of the assault. See, http://www.kfvs12.com/story/21780603/woman-dies-after-being-attacked-downtown, a very early news account (not dated but the metadata suggests it dates to the same day as the crime), in which a source indicates that "Police are interviewing witnesses and reviewing surveillance video...." I speculate that, at the point the victim's family had not yet been notified, Police are less likely to have obtained video from the parking garage a block away (unless perhaps eye witness(es) gave suspect's direction of travel AND Police got someone on duty at the garage on a Sunday evening with authority to review video). More on Moore's location: in looking back at certain information, I read at https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/sherman/jennifer-sherman-fights-back-tears-as-attorney-sentenced/article_a434575e-40c0-11e7-b29b-3758d0beccba.html, that, at Moore's sentencing, the prosecutor stated to the court, “A phone call was placed to Aliza shortly before she arrived, and cell phone tower locations indicate to us he [Moore] was east of his office, and his cell phone was not pinging off the tower in which his office would (be) encompass(ed)...” EAST OF MOORE'S OFFICE = direction suspect ran after attack.

    Ian, I don't know Cleveland. Would a person bolting from immediate danger bypass the relative openness of E. 12th and continue in a straight line down Hamilton toward E. 13th? The person running never looked back to see if he/she was being pursued.

    Nic, I'm not sure that a lot of blood would have immediately gotten on to an assailant in the circumstances. Cold day, heavy clothes. According to one account, https://forward.com/news/national/391543/who-killed-aliza-sherman/, the victim was stabbed 11 times in the neck, back, (possible ambush from behind) and arms (possible defensive wounds occurring later in the attack). Assuming an ambush from behind with back and neck wounds, victim turns to face attack, gets defensive wounds, there would little chance for significant blood letting to get onto assailant's clothes.

    BUT there may be more support for your theory about video of the assault. See, http://www.kfvs12.com/story/21780603/woman-dies-after-being-attacked-downtown, a very early news account (not dated but the metadata suggests it dates to the same day as the crime), in which a source indicates that "Police are interviewing witnesses and reviewing surveillance video...." I speculate that, at the point the victim's family had not yet been notified, Police are less likely to have obtained video from the parking garage a block away (unless perhaps eye witness(es) gave suspect's direction of travel AND Police got someone on duty at the garage on a Sunday evening with authority to review video).

    More on Moore's location: in looking back at certain information, I read at https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/sherman/jennifer-sherman-fights-back-tears-as-attorney-sentenced/article_a434575e-40c0-11e7-b29b-3758d0beccba.html, that, at Moore's sentencing, the prosecutor stated to the court, “A phone call was placed to Aliza shortly before she arrived, and cell phone tower locations indicate to us he [Moore] was east of his office, and his cell phone was not pinging off the tower in which his office would (be) encompass(ed)...”

    EAST OF MOORE'S OFFICE = direction suspect ran after attack.

  • Jack

    Jack

    Oh, and in the early report, the reason given at the time by Police for reviewing the video was to "get a better understanding about what led up to the incident." That is surely a tell that the known video at that point was of the scene.

    Oh, and in the early report, the reason given at the time by Police for reviewing the video was to "get a better understanding about what led up to the incident." That is surely a tell that the known video at that point was of the scene.

  • Jennifer

    Jennifer South Carolina

    My first though was female too.

    My first though was female too.

  • GLORIA

    GLORIA CA

    I think this could totally be Gregory Moore. His stature is short and stocky (and he runs like a girl)!

    I think this could totally be Gregory Moore. His stature is short and stocky (and he runs like a girl)!

  • Jack

    Jack

    Gloria, if I first assume it's a man of Moore's stature, I can see where it might be one. Why do you write that he runs like a girl? Are you familiar with him or have access to that information from some source that you could cite? Actually, if one assumes that it is a man, everything works better; no need to have enlisted an accomplice. Moore could have parked to the east, made it on foot to the area of the assault, and surveilled from cover waiting for an opportune moment for attack. That might also explain his stalling text messages. I wonder, though, if there is ingress video from the garage camera.

    Gloria, if I first assume it's a man of Moore's stature, I can see where it might be one. Why do you write that he runs like a girl? Are you familiar with him or have access to that information from some source that you could cite?

    Actually, if one assumes that it is a man, everything works better; no need to have enlisted an accomplice. Moore could have parked to the east, made it on foot to the area of the assault, and surveilled from cover waiting for an opportune moment for attack. That might also explain his stalling text messages. I wonder, though, if there is ingress video from the garage camera.

  • Z.J

    Z.J Chicago

    I couldn't tell if it was a man or a woman until the camera showed the person running from behind. Definitely a woman.

    I couldn't tell if it was a man or a woman until the camera showed the person running from behind. Definitely a woman.

  • Amber

    Amber Missouri

    Just one comment.... the question was asked how would Sanford the husban know she was there? Well if they have iPhones I know you can see each others texts messages in real time if more then one phone is signed into a shared account. Not saying he did it just saying he could possibly seen the text.

    Just one comment.... the question was asked how would Sanford the husban know she was there? Well if they have iPhones I know you can see each others texts messages in real time if more then one phone is signed into a shared account. Not saying he did it just saying he could possibly seen the text.

  • Lisa

    Lisa Ware

    Absolutely a woman.

    Absolutely a woman.

  • char

    char Mesa az

    I'm not sure about the gender but I am curious how she had an appt with an attorney on a Sunday!

    I'm not sure about the gender but I am curious how she had an appt with an attorney on a Sunday!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Char the appt. was originally for Saturday but Greg Moore pushed it back to Sunday. Very sketchy! Nic

    Char the appt. was originally for Saturday but Greg Moore pushed it back to Sunday. Very sketchy!
    Nic

  • Jack

    Jack Atlanta

    Has anyone watched the video of how Greg Moore walking into the court room? It looks like a very similar gate as the person in the video running. Could be a stretch but nonetheless. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcWGtXNMnWU

    Has anyone watched the video of how Greg Moore walking into the court room? It looks like a very similar gate as the person in the video running. Could be a stretch but nonetheless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcWGtXNMnWU

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